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Speaker 1: Welcome on edg Off Edge the Podcast with me your

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Speaker 1: host Cam Jordan. I'm sitting here with the man who

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Speaker 1: needs no introduction, somebody who's been a pro bowler and

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Speaker 1: all Pro somebody who spent their entire fourteen year career

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Speaker 1: with the Colts of the NFL's all time leader in

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Speaker 1: forest fumbles. I mean, he's a man who punches the ball, out,

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Speaker 1: who finds the ball. It's a knack sometimes. I'm telling you,

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Speaker 1: I still watch film like, how did he do this

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Speaker 1: for such a long time at such a high level.

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Speaker 2: We talked about a member of the Coach Ring of

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Speaker 2: Honor and.

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Speaker 1: A black college, Black College Football Hall of Fame representing Alabama,

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Speaker 1: A and M, which I thought he was more country

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Speaker 1: than he is because apparently he's from like, you know,

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Speaker 1: that Atlanta side, which I'm not gonna hold it against him,

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Speaker 1: But we talked about none other than Robert Mathis aka

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Speaker 1: the Misico getter one hundred and twenty three sacks. Oh man,

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Speaker 1: it's time for this week's Drive for Success conversation with

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Speaker 1: anybody Toyota. Let's go places. We talk about just formidable

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Speaker 1: defensive ends. Somebody who I used to watch film one

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Speaker 1: be like bro, you got a non stop motor.

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Speaker 2: It was you and Dwight Freedy.

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Speaker 1: But what they don't understand is how hard it is

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Speaker 1: to get that ball out. And you you are the

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Speaker 1: NFL all time like I said, fifty three or fifty

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Speaker 1: four over the punch us like sad, Yeah, I'm getting that.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah it was tell me how first the first

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Speaker 3: off zone six east? That to be exact. Let's let's

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Speaker 3: let's get that correction. But no appreciate you having me, man,

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Speaker 3: And it's just a pleasure just to speak a sack

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Speaker 3: pass rushers, speaking of speaking amongst sack pass rushings. So uh,

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Speaker 3: just those are things that we practice every single day

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Speaker 3: because if you know, as a sack man, you you

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Speaker 3: have to sharpen your tools every day. If you don't

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Speaker 3: do it, the tools will get dull and uh and

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Speaker 3: you just have to do it every day. So these

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Speaker 3: are things that my past rush uh D line coach

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Speaker 3: uh John Cheer, he demanded that we do something past

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Speaker 3: rush related every single day and and it carried over.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I how skills they we had.

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Speaker 1: We had a saying it as for minority line skills,

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Speaker 1: if you don't use them, you lose it. So you

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Speaker 1: gotta be able to work those skills every day. Hey,

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Speaker 1: and I bring my hands to work every day.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to choke it, tight end out.

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Speaker 1: But you, I'll say you he was finding that for

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Speaker 1: that ball, man, that's different. I mean I feel like

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Speaker 1: I've I've had emphasis on like, oh, let's push the

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Speaker 1: ball out, let's get the handle the ball like you know,

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Speaker 1: whatever it is. I've had quarterback in hand hand on

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Speaker 1: the ball ripping out, and for some reason they want.

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Speaker 2: To double clutch with me.

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Speaker 1: I see guys like you, I see, I see you

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Speaker 1: know Vaughn hit them with like a little like three

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Speaker 1: figure tap and the ball be out.

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Speaker 2: Some guys just have a knack for finding the ball.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: My team at Chris Rope had one like he He

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Speaker 1: slid underneath the tackle, popped up, slapped the ball and the.

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Speaker 2: Ball was out immediately.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, I punched the ball and somehow it's

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Speaker 1: like hit a quarterbacks ripcage and he's double clutched it.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, godly, So for you, like, it's one thing

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Speaker 1: to have a vision and focus on it.

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Speaker 2: Man, for you to get a fit over fifty of

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Speaker 2: the things knocked out, that's that's legendary.

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Speaker 3: Well, the background background story, I grew up watching Derreck

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Speaker 3: Thomas and he actually did started a tomahawk chop. So

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Speaker 3: what I do whenever I'm able to get to the quarterback,

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Speaker 3: which is not easy, by the way, for the people

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Speaker 3: out there, you do the same thing. You secure the

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Speaker 3: tackle and you tomahawk with the opposite hand, and it

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Speaker 3: just so happened. The football will come out if you

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Speaker 3: if you're getting pushed put pushed past the quarterback, just

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Speaker 3: chicken wing it. Throw your hand out there, knock the

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Speaker 3: ball out. And as long as you work those things

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Speaker 3: every things, every day, it'll work out to your favor.

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Speaker 3: But you have to do it every single day. It

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Speaker 3: gets boring, but hey, you have to do it.

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Speaker 1: Hey, things don't get boring when you're obsessive about your craft.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing boring about repetitive motions. That means when you

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Speaker 1: get tired and it's fourth quarter and the games on

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Speaker 1: the line, and you've played sixty snaps, you play sixty

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Speaker 1: five snaps and you've been fighting double teams chips this

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Speaker 1: fat person called the office of Lineman.

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Speaker 2: You you know, like this is what you rely on.

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Speaker 1: Those those repetitive motions come skills, and that's a skill

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Speaker 1: set right there, so somebody we may never see again.

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Speaker 2: I mean fifty over fifty forced bubbles.

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Speaker 3: Well, well, I teach my guys to be a technician

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Speaker 3: about your technique, and that's doing a little things right

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Speaker 3: over and over and over. That's why you can say

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Speaker 3: it gets boring. But to us as rush guys, is

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Speaker 3: never boring because you get to the quarterback, get them down,

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Speaker 3: do your sack dance, and in this mandatory have a

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Speaker 3: sack dance mandatory man mandatory, you know, and and just

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Speaker 3: keep it going on to the next one.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I mean the fact that I've got you here,

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Speaker 1: a man who's at over one hundred sacks, we say,

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Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty three. I now know what it

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Speaker 1: feels like. You know, I'm finally a match shoot. I

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Speaker 1: feel great about it. I'm like, man one hundred twenty

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Speaker 1: not like be here. In my mind when I first

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Speaker 1: got to leak, I wanted like forty or fifty sacks.

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Speaker 1: We had the privilege to be in a couple Pro

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Speaker 1: and I was watching Robert Quinn, you know, going off

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Speaker 1: for the high teens in the sacks, and I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta get there. I got ten,

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Speaker 1: I got twelve, and then I finally got like that

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Speaker 1: a threshold up here. You know, what what does it

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Speaker 1: mean for you like to be on that one hundred

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Speaker 3: You don't sneeze at it, man, because you because you

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Speaker 3: understand how tough it is to get to get they

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Speaker 3: get to the quarterback, they're gonna they're gonna scheme against you.

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Speaker 3: Once you become a guy that's on the radar, they're

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Speaker 3: gonna make sure you don't get to their their franchise.

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Speaker 3: Why because the past rusher, the franchise past rusher, is

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Speaker 3: the only guy that can neutralize three other franchise players

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Speaker 3: on one plate at any particular time. If you can

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Speaker 3: beat the offensive WindMan, sack the quarterback, and prevent the

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Speaker 3: quarterback and throwing it to his past catcher, you neutralize

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Speaker 3: three guys on one plate. And if you're a guy

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Speaker 3: that they respect enough to assign two or three guys

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Speaker 3: onto you, that's that lets you know how tough it

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Speaker 3: is to get to a quarterback. And we're not going

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Speaker 3: to speak about the the Michael straight hand Brett Favs

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Speaker 3: type of respect.

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Speaker 2: Respect no matter how they comes, as long as they

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Speaker 2: as they come through good way.

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Speaker 3: They say, a sack is a sack is a sack.

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Speaker 3: So hey, absolutely, man, absolutely, I hope I get a couple.

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Speaker 3: All he fell down. I take that, you know, touch

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Speaker 3: turn out of bounds. Hey, whatever the case and whatever,

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Speaker 3: no doubt whatever, Man, I take it.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, he at the end of the season, they

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Speaker 2: don't They don't ask how you got there. They said,

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Speaker 2: did you get there?

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Speaker 3: Did you get the answers? Yes, that's it, that's it,

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Speaker 3: my brother. Hey, hey, I pray you get fifteen to

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Speaker 3: twenty more of those.

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Speaker 1: Man, I appreciate, I say now that we're tired. Man,

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Speaker 1: look now, now I gotta start hutting your teammates and whatnot.

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Speaker 1: Go get like all right now, go hey, Like is

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Speaker 1: it crazy to think like as you were after you

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Speaker 1: hit that one hundred sack threshold and you started like

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Speaker 1: counting down the guys you're walking down with every sack

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Speaker 1: and you end up in the pandy of the twenty

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Speaker 1: five greatest pass rushers of all times on that list,

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Speaker 1: Like what is it? Were starting to look at those sacks,

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Speaker 1: would you start like, hey, I need three more to

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Speaker 1: pass this guy up, or hey another one.

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Speaker 2: Here is going to help me.

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Speaker 3: I didn't start.

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Speaker 2: Was what was your perspective on this?

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Speaker 3: I didn't really It wasn't really real until you got

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Speaker 3: past like the one hundred and tenth show, because I

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Speaker 3: just want to get I wanted to get to one hundred,

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Speaker 3: like you said you wanted to get to fifty. Once

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Speaker 3: you passed fifties, okay, I'm going to start tracking. I'm

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Speaker 3: going to start tracking walking boys down. And uh that

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Speaker 3: was the case. And especially with the Coats, it was

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Speaker 3: you know, Dwhite Freendie was He's the guy, you know,

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Speaker 3: he's the mount rushmore past rushes. So once I got

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Speaker 3: absolutely okay, yeah yeah, So once I got to that

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Speaker 3: guy that me and him were we came up in

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Speaker 3: can we can really make some noise in this thing. Man.

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Speaker 3: So that's how it was. You got to the one hundred,

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Speaker 3: one hundred tens. So now you want to start. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm looking at Derek Thomas, he had one twenty six.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't get there, but hey, you ever chance he

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Speaker 3: got a tence bro we got Hey, we got a chance.

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Speaker 1: Look we got we got fifteen games left in the

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Speaker 1: regular season. I'm like, man, I say, okay, we gotta

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Speaker 1: really start coming on year.

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Speaker 3: You got another year or two, don't do it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I'm assumed saying what's in front of you?

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Speaker 1: You know, we have fifteen opportunities left in this season.

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Speaker 1: Who knows this this next offseason, I'm like, I got

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Speaker 1: three more in me and be like Klais Campbell heading

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Speaker 1: in the year eighteen. Or it could be like, hey,

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Speaker 1: my wife said, I gotta go. Here we go, we

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Speaker 1: go pack this up ahead on to the next inventure.

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Speaker 1: But that's just it with with every week it comes

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Speaker 1: that much more important, Like this this past week didn't

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Speaker 1: get one and somehow lost this game. You're like, man,

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Speaker 1: I was like, every one of these plays gets that

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Speaker 1: much more important.

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Speaker 2: Team, what it got? What it got towards the end?

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Speaker 2: What did what did you feel like? How did you

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Speaker 2: know after fourteen seasons seasons you you had had enough.

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Speaker 3: Well obviously your mind tells you you can. You can

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Speaker 3: play however loan you desire, which is twenty twenty five years.

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Speaker 3: But your body starts talking to you every every every week.

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Speaker 3: It was something going wrong in my body, so you're fourteen.

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Speaker 3: I mean it started out it was a toe, it

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Speaker 3: was my knee, then the other knee, then heilp a stinger,

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Speaker 3: three stingers in a row. So your body, my body

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Speaker 3: started talking to me. So I had to listen to it.

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Speaker 2: But your body will let you know.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna let you do.

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Speaker 2: There was like like right around like year seven, year eight.

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Speaker 1: I remember I used to like wake up like bro,

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Speaker 1: I am not kicking back, like used to be good

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Speaker 1: by Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: Now it's Thursday, it's Friday.

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Speaker 1: I said, I don't know if I can do this

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Speaker 1: forever now, but some of you know, you start taking

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Speaker 1: care of your body the way that we need to

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Speaker 3: This is real. Doms.

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Speaker 2: Okay, these things that I don't do. I do not

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Speaker 3: The thing about that once you got to that threshold,

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He reps is low, Like reps is low with the family.

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Speaker 2: Come this week one. Oh yeah, I'm in there.

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Speaker 2: Hey, we gotta tamp it down now. Week three, Hey, man,

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Speaker 1: I I'm quarterback if you need if you want to

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Speaker 1: I can pass to you. We're not We're not playing

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Speaker 3: Look at him, listen, you go run, you go do

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Speaker 3: all that I got you.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'm gonna be right there. Run me my slant son,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I'm not covering you. No, I'm not. Nope, no,

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Speaker 1: But when I think about, how are you able to

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Speaker 2: or six just forced punch out? It's crazy? You know?

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Speaker 1: How is it that you sort of go h underacknowledged

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the bulk of my career I was

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Speaker 2: So you say, like you know whatever that is, but

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Speaker 1: Like I remember you know, like it was it was you.

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Speaker 1: But you're sitting there at what two you played at

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Speaker 1: Five sub two fifty, I don't know if like I've

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Speaker 2: At a preseason last year, I was like, oh, I'm

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Speaker 1: And I got back up to thirty five and I

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm quick, I'm fast, I'm had, y'all,

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's just body type. Man. You you your

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Speaker 2: You gotta know what you're good at it. I don't know, brother,

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Speaker 2: Like we've seen that long arm happen now it was.

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Speaker 2: It was a transition. We've seen a long arm. Take tar.

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Speaker 2: You fast guys talking about you know the power, that's

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Speaker 1: Equal equal shifted feet and shifted feet equals not not

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Speaker 2: We know where that hand place we could go.

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Speaker 3: I promise you it was weight transition. We got three

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Speaker 3: chop swim slap that you do. Man, I'm not. That's

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm gonna chop to mars down because I really

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm missed it pushed by himself, Like

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Speaker 1: by I need that. I'm trying to race. I'm trying

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Speaker 1: you wonderful man, you for this beautiful pleasant But man,

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Speaker 1: what I would I have to think about what you

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Speaker 1: what you've been able to do. I mean in your era,

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Speaker 1: like low key undersized you, Elvis Duomerville. You know, we

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Speaker 1: how does how do young Robert get to Alabama?

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Speaker 3: Hey, the choice was very easy for me because I

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Speaker 2: Stay less.

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Speaker 3: I got a shout out to the heel Alabama and

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Speaker 3: the Princeville. It's Vegas, Alabama.

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Speaker 1: Veaszy, no doubt, I mean, you know so then so

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Speaker 2: You know that first year. You know, did you have

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Speaker 3: Oh? Man, yes, yes, short answer, yes, a long answer.

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Speaker 2: So if you played the two thirty five, what did

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Speaker 3: At two twenty? Hey, it was it was so funny

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Speaker 3: obviously I had to do the core for the special

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Speaker 1: Hey, you know when you're in the churches, boys, boys like,

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Speaker 3: Have you had?

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Speaker 2: Have you had some tacos?

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Speaker 1: Maybe you should gonna get another steak and you were here,

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Speaker 1: like man, out of everything I could, this is me.

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Speaker 3: I had plenty of light days in my career, Sir.

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Speaker 2: Man, I say, we got We got the defensive end

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Speaker 1: Chris Ruff my dog weighed into like two thirty something

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Speaker 1: they You know he's liked bro.

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Speaker 2: He's like, what I eat all I can?

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Speaker 3: That's two for it. Tell him come see me. I

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Speaker 3: got it. No, no, he give us all nolt, slipper,

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Speaker 3: shameless plub. Let's go. I got it.

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Speaker 2: Hey, the fan facts.

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Speaker 1: I mean, but so you you were over there again,

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Speaker 2: You you boke up.

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Speaker 1: You say you played at two thirty five. So we

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Speaker 3: I actually got this. I got the fifty one in

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Speaker 3: I can't do this.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy. Hey, you gotta know who you are. You are,

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Speaker 1: But you you say you entered you know any coats

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Speaker 1: you had, you had the O G with you. What

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Speaker 3: What do you what like?

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Speaker 2: What? What did you take from Tony Dungee? It's outed

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. From coach Dongee. I took

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Speaker 3: I took how to uh just keep you know, prepare

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Speaker 3: But Dwight is his hot his football. I Q we

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Speaker 3: of guys. Bro uh this guys. So I try to

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Speaker 3: take a little bit from everybody that I see that's

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Speaker 3: successful in their particular department. And they were just somebody.

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Speaker 3: It was just a good run, man. Uh. I hate

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Speaker 3: that the Saints kind of derailed one one run, one

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Speaker 3: of those runs. But it's fine, it's fine. I'm over

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Speaker 3: it here.

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Speaker 2: You got you got one.

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Speaker 1: It's not like it's not like you're fifteen years in

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Speaker 1: and he ain't got a super Bowl, you know, fourteen

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Speaker 1: one early.

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Speaker 2: I'm still hunting, Like I'm like, are you in the quarterdecks? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but also wins. What I didn't want to hunt a win,

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Speaker 2: and I would have.

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Speaker 1: I've been to an NC championship game and we felt

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Speaker 1: like got robbed, but you never and we never got back.

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Speaker 1: So I don't even I've been to the highest part

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Speaker 1: of mountain. I ain't been to the highest so you

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Speaker 1: got part of the mountain.

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Speaker 3: Indeed, you got robbed. But we're not gonna do that.

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Speaker 2: That's gonna bring that's gonna bring them them dark days

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Speaker 2: out of me.

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Speaker 1: Just like you know, we were talking about But what

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Speaker 1: so you know you said, Dwight's a year ahead of you.

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize. I thought it was about three years

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Speaker 2: ahead of Eyway.

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Speaker 1: You know, like when you guys play together, it was

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Speaker 1: it was poetry in motion. But when did y'all know

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Speaker 1: y'all could be a dominant duo? You know you're saying,

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Speaker 1: you say you started taking off of doubles Dwight Dwight,

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Speaker 1: of course double digits.

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Speaker 2: So y'all had.

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Speaker 3: Bookeets Hey, Dwight was rolling early. I walked in the door,

468
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Speaker 3: Dwight was already rolling. And so my rookie year, I

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Speaker 3: had three and a half sacks. But and that's because,

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Speaker 3: and this is what I tell my guys that I trained.

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Speaker 3: That's because I relied on what I did in college,

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Speaker 3: like the talent that I had. But this is the NFL.

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Speaker 3: They're going to adjust by the next series. So to

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Speaker 3: where year two I had ten and a half. And

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Speaker 3: that was because I trusted the process. If it works

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Speaker 3: in practice against a guy Ryan Dean, he was the

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Speaker 3: offensive tackle that I work me and win against each

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Speaker 3: other for almost two or ten years. If it works

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Speaker 3: against him in practice, it's going to work against a

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Speaker 3: guy that doesn't know you in a game. So I

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Speaker 3: had to trust the move, get a plan, work a plan,

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Speaker 3: perform a plan. So that was the thing. So now

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Speaker 3: by year three, I had eleven and a half and

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Speaker 3: Dwight was like sixteen, and we was like, it was up,

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Speaker 3: it was it was up, it was up. And so

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Speaker 3: we're like, hey man, but we had that. We we

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Speaker 3: stole sacks from each other. That was the that was

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Speaker 3: the unique part of our relationship that we was the

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Speaker 3: we was each other's best cheerleader. Like he get to

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Speaker 3: the quarterback, like, yes, sir, so now all the tension

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Speaker 3: goes over there. Yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 1: Like those years, Like those years you get like, oh,

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Speaker 1: oh snaps, he got a two piece game, he got

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Speaker 1: oh he was crazy, he had three piece.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's still third quarter.

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Speaker 1: Brobody taking this party.

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Speaker 2: And it takes a place.

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Speaker 3: It takes a pass rushing to understand a pass rushing.

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Speaker 3: So if and there was no jealousy, it's just like Dwight,

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Speaker 3: get going. You're an alpha gat please go, go, go go.

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Speaker 3: So now the sentler is gonna slide that way, the

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Speaker 3: running back is gonna be over there, So I gotta,

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Speaker 3: I gotta, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, I dream of those one on ones and now

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Speaker 2: now because.

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Speaker 1: He going crazy, I'm about to go absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Love that.

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Speaker 1: Love that man I've had. I've had a couple of

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Speaker 1: pass rushers over the years. When they go double digits,

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Speaker 1: I'm not too far behind me or I'm just just

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Speaker 1: slightly ahead, because either way, I try to tell guys,

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Speaker 1: it goes full circle.

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Speaker 2: Those ones you missed you like, dang, that could have

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Speaker 2: been mine, but he got it.

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Speaker 1: Eventually he he's gonna fall off one and you will

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Speaker 1: be like, hey, brother.

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Speaker 3: Let me get that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, way bad, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: Hey, look that's what it's like. It's ours. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: stay at Bagarage.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. He's gonna stay right at

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Speaker 2: my crills.

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Speaker 1: But oh man, yeah, I mean you talk about you

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Speaker 1: at one twenty three, Dwight Freedi at one twenty five

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Speaker 1: and a half and.

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Speaker 2: The same era. That's just disgusting work. When you know

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Speaker 2: you got Hall of famers on the team. You look

529
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Speaker 2: over you, you like you like little Spider Man, me.

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Speaker 1: Like you're a Hallo faper y'all had, y'all had them guns.

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Speaker 1: Maybe let's just talk about the culture in general, Like

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Speaker 1: after a loss, What did that locker room feel like

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Speaker 1: versus after a win?

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Speaker 3: You know, man, it was devastating because a loss is

535
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Speaker 3: not expected. It was not expected, and you have coach

536
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Speaker 3: Dungee who doesn't yell, and that's worse than having somebody

537
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Speaker 3: that yells at you. It was like, we didn't get

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Speaker 3: it done. And at one time he said he said

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Speaker 3: the word, and it.

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Speaker 2: Was like, oh, oh he met that soft.

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Speaker 3: He's just like, oh, you're a man. So that really

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Speaker 3: ever really stung. Uh. Obviously, with wins, we expect it

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Speaker 3: because we put the work in and everybody's professional. But

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Speaker 3: with the losses, man, they really hit hard because you

545
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Speaker 3: just don't go into a game thinking we can lose it,

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Speaker 3: and so when you lose a game, you just have

547
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Speaker 3: to recover, bounce back and just you know, right the

548
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Speaker 3: wrongs and just move forward. But that was just the

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Speaker 3: locker room with those guys, man, the high caliber, elite,

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Speaker 3: just an elite team. Man. It was just it was

551
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Speaker 3: just great. Man. It's great for you for production, it's

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Speaker 3: great for the city of Indianapolis, and it was just

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Speaker 3: great for development as a pleasant young player.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, man, I appreciate you. Man showed me the peak

555
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Speaker 1: I eventually I want to get there. But thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for tapping in everything that you are.

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Speaker 3: Bro.

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Speaker 1: You're a legend of the game. You should be a

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Speaker 1: first ballot. But it's fine, it's all right. You can

560
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Speaker 1: you get your time. You're definitely gonna get in there.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for everything.

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Speaker 1: Uh, you know we're gonna we're gonna let you slide

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Speaker 1: out of here for everything. Man, Hey, Rob, you're an amazing person.

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Speaker 1: You know the Pro Bowls, the Accolades, the forest fumbles,

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, that you winner, that you champion, that

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Speaker 1: you are. You will be a Hall of Famer soon,

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Speaker 1: Man, I'm just so excited to have a guy like

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Speaker 1: him come on to the pot, because I mean, it's Rob,

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Speaker 1: come on, Like, there's not too many guys who could

578
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Speaker 1: do it to the highest level of do it.

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Speaker 2: For as long as he did it.

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Speaker 1: Fourteen years in the league. Again, all those all those sacks.

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Speaker 1: God blessed.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for everything.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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