1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: Hey, what's up. This is the Meat Eater podcast recording. 2 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: You know, this is the first media podcast we ever 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: recorded not on the road. We're in my office. I'm 4 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: on the road, that's right. Yeah, this is the first 5 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: media podcast ever recorded where where I was not I 6 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: Steve Ronnella, was not on the road. I'm joined here, 7 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: as is often the case by Janice Patellos, who is 8 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: on the road. We're in the Pacific Northwest, Um, overlooking 9 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: the beautiful Lake Washington and in a little office and 10 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 1: fixing it due somewhat of a special episode of podcast here. 11 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 1: Because there's this thing that happens. We get, we get 12 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: like like you know, the media podcast, right. The name 13 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: comes from the fact, the word media comes fact that that. Um, 14 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: there's a show. I do, a television show called Meat Eater. Um, 15 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: hopefully you've seen it. If you haven't seen it, hopefully 16 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: go check it out. But but I'd like to think 17 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: if I didn't do a television show called Meter, I 18 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: maybe still have a podcast by the same title. So 19 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: there's these these things that exist. Um, you know, they 20 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: they they circle around each other in some way. You know, 21 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm explaining that to you. But anyhow, 22 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: I'm the people watch this show, the show called Meat Eater, 23 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: which is arguably um the next to Apocalypse now, Godfather One, 24 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: Godfather too, and Strange Brew um perhaps the best thing 25 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: to ever be filmed, And people watch this program and 26 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: they always right in with these like hunting questions. And 27 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: what you notice over time is that people keep like 28 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: people ask the same questions. So something about the show 29 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: or something about the subject of I think probably the latter, 30 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: Like something about the subject of hunting um brings up 31 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: these perpetual questions that people always ask. And a lot 32 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: of times I have what's cool about having the Honest 33 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: here and the Honest as a producer on the show 34 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: but also a lifelong hunter, former guide, all kinds of 35 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: stuff like that. A lot of times I will defer 36 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: some of these questions to your Honest because they you know, 37 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: they he can speak to them with some authority. So 38 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: for this episode, what I want to do is is, 39 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: in some way, it's like answering questions that come in 40 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: all time. But it's more than just answering questions for 41 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: some particular dude out there. You know, It's not like, hey, Bob, 42 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 1: here's the answer to your arcane esoteric question, because these 43 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: are things that are just on people's mind all the 44 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: time when it comes to particularly the big game hunting 45 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: um in order to give a little context, and we're 46 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: just gonna, I'm just gonna start rolling into these and 47 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: then we're gonna do a bunch of them as much 48 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: as we can in an hour. And so this is 49 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: just like a like a big game hunting discussion. And 50 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: one of the first questions and we get all this 51 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: time is like people always right and asking what's the 52 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: best bang for your buck hunt? And it's usually a 53 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: dude who lives somewhere east of the Mississippi River grows up. 54 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: You know, he's a hundred white tails off his life 55 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: on small game off his life. He's been saving up. 56 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: He doesn't have a lot of dough. He's been saving up, 57 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: and he wants to figure out, like what is the 58 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: big wild West hunting trip he's gonna do. What's he 59 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: gonna hunt for? And where is he gonna go? And 60 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: this is his big chance to you know, experience the vast, 61 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: beautiful vistas of the American West. And yeah, you can 62 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: feel he's don't even paying attention. He's working on a 63 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: side project on his computer, um, which is the completion 64 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: of Yeah, yeah, I actually I want to throw it 65 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: in real quick. The reason you honest to tell us 66 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: is in my office right now, as we just pulled 67 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: a five day Uh, I don't wanna quite call a 68 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,039 Speaker 1: bender because there was besides the bottle of beer here 69 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 1: and there. You know. It wasn't like the old stories, 70 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: you know, Jack Caraway getting all hopped up on pills 71 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: and you know, writing for days on a big continuous 72 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 1: piece of butcher's paper. But we did just spend five days, 73 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: you know, fourteen fifteen hours a day, um, putting the 74 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: finishing touches on volume two of The Complete Guide to Hunting, 75 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: Butchering and Cooking Wild Game, which will be released in 76 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 1: the fall of two thousand fifteen. This coming fall with 77 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: spiegl and Growl, the division of Random House and imprint 78 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: with Random House Beautiful Books. And we've been just busting 79 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: our asses on getting this thing done. That's why Yanni 80 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: is here. We finally turned it in last night. So 81 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: all that research and work it makes us even better 82 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: boned up. But we didn't quite finish it because Yanni's 83 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: messing around something over there. But yeah, so this this 84 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: question is this pre new question, like if you're gonna 85 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: go out, you're gonna go out west and do something 86 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: you want to go do a wild West hunt. What 87 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: are you gonna do? I'm gonna take the I'm gonna 88 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: give the long d I'm gonna give it a long answer. 89 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna give an answer for the long thinking, detail 90 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: oriented dude, and I'm gonna give an answer for the 91 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: impulsive dude. The long thinking, detail oriented dude will think 92 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 1: of a couple of species to interest him, and I 93 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: would suggest, if you really don't have like a Western 94 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: experience with like good availability, a good chance for success 95 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 1: and action, um, I would think about mule dering elk. 96 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: Do you disagree with that? You No, not at all. 97 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: I would think about mule deering elt. I would think 98 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: about the following states from the south working north. I 99 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: would think about Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Idaho, Montana. 100 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: It's good to mention that he's asking about affordability as 101 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: well well. I would give him the long, detail oriented answer. 102 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: So let me let me go on a little bit. 103 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: So so I'm just named it the western states. Some 104 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: states that would rule out Like, if you're a dude 105 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: from the Midwest, you know, or the East or wherever, 106 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: and you want to do a Western hunt, this is 107 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: gonna this, this will this will piss some people off. 108 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 1: But I wouldn't spend a ton of time looking at Washington, Oregon, California. 109 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: I just want to spend a bunch of time on 110 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: those states. It's long ways to go. Yeah, add to 111 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: the gas bill big time. Yeah, it as to the 112 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: gas build also, It's just like, uh, I spent a 113 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: lot of time looking at those states for a bunch 114 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: of reasons. But the long detail oriented dude, I would pick, 115 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna You're gonna pick couple of species, and I 116 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 1: would start doing some research in publications such as Eastman's 117 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: what's the Eastman's one called Eastman's Hunting Yeah, and Bow 118 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: Hunting Journal, Eastman's Magazines, and Hunting Fool Magazine, and start 119 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: doing some research on what are the premier low pressure 120 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: mule deer and elk units in a handful of states 121 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: that seem attractive to you. Like, let's say you decided 122 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do like you got your heart set on 123 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: the Northern Rockies, so you're gonna be like you're thinking 124 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: Idaho Montana. Let's just say you love the looks Idaho Montana. 125 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: Never been out there, you want to go up there. 126 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: Get Eastman's and get hunting fool and start reading through 127 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: those publications and finding low pressure draw units in no 128 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: states and then start applying for those units. Because if 129 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: you know you want to go sometime in the next 130 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: five six years, start applying for like the cream of 131 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: the crop top pick units. And these are not secrets, 132 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: you know, these are widely known things. Basically, it's the 133 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: things with the minimum percent chance that you're gonna draw 134 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: the tag, and start applying for those tags for five 135 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: or six years, because you might just get lucky and 136 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: hit some sweet unit, hit a tag for a sweet unit, 137 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: and when that happens, you'll know now is my time 138 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: to go, because I'm gonna have a fantastic hunt. And 139 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: it also narrows down because any tag you draw like 140 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: that asking me for a very specific little chunker ground, 141 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: and you'll know to hammer down where you're gonna go hunt. 142 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: You can start starting maps and all that. Now, if 143 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: you're just a guy who's like I'm going this year, man, 144 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: I don't care. I would think that the first thing 145 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: you want to do is pick your species. And again 146 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: one quick interjection on that note of those points and whatnot, 147 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: A lot of states, Um, it doesn't really matter if 148 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: you're actually already choosing the particular unit. You can just 149 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: be collecting points. And that's probably the most important important 150 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: thing that you need to be doing to be thinking 151 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: about this grand adventure in the future, is just collecting 152 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: some points. So when you do have your penny saved up, 153 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: your ready to roll, you've got these great options. Yeah, 154 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 1: I want to give a quick crash course on bonus 155 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: points in big game tag draws. It's a really complicated subject. 156 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: We have a ton of information about it in the 157 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: complete guide book that we're working on. But the way 158 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 1: to work is, like you put let's say you want 159 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 1: to put in for a unit, like let's just pulling 160 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: out of Like the premier multary unit in Montana is 161 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: to seventy. Okay, it's in the upper bid root. If 162 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: you could have any mule deer tag in Montana, you'd 163 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: want unit to seventy. Now, the odds of drawing unit 164 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: to seventy or single percentage points, okay, especially for a 165 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: non resident, you're just not gonna do it. Montana has 166 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: a bonus point system though, so every year that you 167 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: put in for a tag and you don't draw, you 168 00:09:55,600 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: get a point added to your name, and Montana squares. Well, 169 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: let me back a minute. You get a point added 170 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: to your name. That means the second year you put in, 171 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: your name goes into the hat two times. But what 172 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: Montana does now is they square your bonus points. So 173 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: let's say you've applied two years in a row unsuccessfully 174 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: for you to two seventy. The next year you apply, 175 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: you have two bonus points. Your name will be going 176 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: into the hat four times for your bonus points in 177 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: a fifth time because you're filling out a new application. 178 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: So right now, for instance, I'm sitting on you know, 179 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: I think twelve bonus points for bighorn sheep in Montana, 180 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: I apply for the same unit every year six eight 181 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: for big horns. My name will be going into the 182 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: hat this year one forty four times. I still will 183 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: not draw that tag. Mule, deer and elk are different, though, 184 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: because there's a lot of opportunities. So the long thinking guy, 185 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 1: we'll start right now this moment accumulating bonus points in 186 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: a handful of states. I put in for every state, 187 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: but I am able, like I hunt a lot more 188 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: for variety of reasons. I hunt a lot more than 189 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: most people. I put in for like pretty much every 190 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: Western state. But for you, pick a couple of states 191 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: that you've always wanted to visit, or better yet, where 192 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: you have some family or friends or some connection, some 193 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: connection to resources and logistical support, and start putting in 194 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: for tags every year. There's no reason not to do it. 195 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: It costs a little bit of money, but just do 196 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: it now. Let's say, but that's not the case, and 197 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: you want to go this year or as soon as possible. 198 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: Pick your species. I would suggest elker mule here, and 199 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: then narrow down into what state you want to hunt. 200 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: That's the first thing I would do. And I would think, 201 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: like for affordable states and availability of tags, and you 202 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 1: want to go for mule deer, elk. I'm gonna try 203 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: to narrow it down a little bit and say that 204 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:14,719 Speaker 1: in Johanna's correct me on this, I would say Montana, Idaho, Colorado, Wyoming, 205 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: mule deer, elk, availability of tags, good hunting potential. Yeah. 206 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: The only problem with Montana is they have increased their 207 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: prices a big time for the nonresident hunter. I want 208 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: to say that your upwards of eight hundred dollars, even 209 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: maybe being close to nine hundred. If you want to 210 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: do the combo tag, you're gonna wind up being shocked 211 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: at what tags are gonna cost. Another states like Colorado 212 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 1: is a cheaper state to hunt. Yeah, right now, I 213 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: think you can hunt a boil in Colorado is a 214 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 1: nonresident for about five and that's definitely one of the 215 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: cheaper states. Idaho might be a little bit less. They 216 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: might be in the four's. Um. Yeah, Montana, you're up 217 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: there eight somewhere. It's a lot of money. And what 218 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: you gotta look at is you gotta look at how 219 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna you know, this gets into the whole their 220 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: subject is when you go do this, how you're gonna 221 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: save money, Like you're gonna drive camp out of your truck, 222 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: public land, all that kind of stuff. But the tag, 223 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: it's gonna be expensive. And there are a thing that 224 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: guys run into on a promise. This is like Colorado 225 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: has some over the counter ELK opportunities, right, Idaho, Montana 226 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: has some over technically like they basically have some over 227 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: the counter opportunities because of something I'll explain where you're 228 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: you're supposed to put in for a draw every year, 229 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: like you have to apply around June one or late March, 230 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 1: and in around June one you apply for a tag 231 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: for the following fall. Oftentimes there's not enough applicants to fill. 232 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 1: You have a lot of quantity of tags, so the 233 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: leftover tags are sold basically in the over the counter 234 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: way until the until the quota runs out, until the 235 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: number of tags for sailors sold, and it usually happens 236 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: sometimes in the late summer. Sometimes it doesn't even happen 237 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 1: until season starts. So when I say over to counter, 238 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: it's not technically over to counter, but it's basically over 239 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: the counter availability. Um. It takes a little bit of research. 240 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: You can get to find yourself with some great tags. 241 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: If you do that, you find those undersubscribe units um, 242 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: and they should be that you can't buy them over 243 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: the counter. So the guy that's not doing any research 244 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: is not finding that tag, not getting into that unit. 245 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: So with a little bit of research, you can really 246 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: get yourself into some good stuff. Yeah. So, um, I'm 247 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: gonna try to get even more detailed. Mule deer, I 248 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: would say, uh, Idaho not but not the Panhandle for availability, 249 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: inexpensive all that kind of stuff, mule, deer and idahole. 250 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: Not the Panhandle. Um Colorado you gotta put in for 251 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: mule your tags and some of the better units take 252 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: a couple of years to draw. But Idaho you're just 253 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: gonna get the tag. Montana a more expensive tag. I 254 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: think about the eastern half of the state for elk 255 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: um Idaho in Colorado, yeah, if you're not playing the 256 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: long game, Colorado is hard to be for the uh, 257 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: the short game guy, because there are lots of elk there. 258 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: It's something like two and fifty elk in that state. 259 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: There's two seasons that are wide open over the counter. 260 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: You just show up and buy attack so you can 261 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: decide the week before that you know you want to 262 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: go elk hunt. There's a lot of opportunity there. Randy 263 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: Newburg wrote a great article I think it appeared in 264 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: Bugle magazine where he lined out how to basically go 265 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: on this affordable western elk hunt in Colorado for a 266 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. And I think he did it leaving Wisconsin 267 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: or Indiana one of those Midwestern states. Um driving out, 268 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: you know, car camping. Uh, obviously you only drink water 269 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: and you eat Ramen noodles. But even with a six 270 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: dollar elk tag for a thousand dollars, you want elk 271 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: hunting for a week. I used to do stuff. I've 272 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: lost touch of it now, and sometimes I feel like 273 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: I need a reality check, you know, because the way, like, 274 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: you know, just the way I'm able to hunt, like 275 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: doing a show and stuff. You know, you just you 276 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: stop thinking about money in quite the same way. But 277 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: to give you a sense, I mean the kind of 278 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: hunts we used to do. I want time. Took a 279 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: greyhound bus from Montana to Alabama to hunt ducks, and 280 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: I broke down a shotgun and put it in a 281 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: duffel bag and hit it in the duffel bag. Drove 282 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: a two and a half days on a greyhound bus 283 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: because I couldn't afford a plane ticket to Alabama to 284 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: hunt ducks on public land, and it took me two 285 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: days to get back home on the bus. So you know, 286 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: I've done cheap hunts. And it's like the way to 287 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: cut down your costs is is just like self denied, 288 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: you know, privation. I think there's some expenses you're not 289 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 1: gonna get around. You're not gonna go hunt without the tag, right, 290 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: you gotta have the tag. That's gonna cost money. What 291 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: is the negotiable stuff and the thing? And I also 292 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 1: mentioned that I got a guy book on the head. 293 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: I think I also mentioned my guy book. Is you 294 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: gotta look at I'm getting into some life stuff here. 295 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 1: You gotta look at like where where where are you 296 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 1: spending your money in your life? I remember one time 297 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: watching the guy pull up and to pull up to 298 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: a trailhead in Montana and he pulls up, you know, 299 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: brand spanking new pickup truck, and he pulls out a 300 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: twenty dollar pair of binoculars and starts glass and for 301 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 1: ail k out of his truck window. I remember thinking that, dude, 302 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: is guy. His priorities all wrong, you know, all wrong. 303 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: He might have bought that big hunting truck, but then 304 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:54,239 Speaker 1: he burned up all his money on something that was 305 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 1: like a large measure of vanity project. So I think 306 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: that it's like, I don't mean, you know, in aid 307 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: privacy here, but I think, like, so often where's your 308 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: money going? Like are you like what are you spending 309 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 1: your money on? I understand the tags are expensive, but 310 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: there's not a guy I know that I couldn't go 311 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 1: into his personal financing and find the money necessary to 312 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 1: buy a big game tag if he really cares about that. 313 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: All Right, we're gonna take a quick break. We'll be 314 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 1: right back to talking about big game tags in a minute. Yeah, 315 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: I just reread the question, you know the guys. Yeah, 316 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: but I'm not trying to I'm not trying to pick 317 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: that dude out, No, I know, I just just want 318 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: I just want to specifically answer his question, you know, 319 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: before we get away from it. Oh. Um, but I 320 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: agree with everything you're saying there, But he's con prohibitive 321 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: for a guy with a young fa Yeah, he's got 322 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: he's got a young family. And just what came to mind, 323 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: because I know a lot of guys actually go hunting 324 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 1: with young families on this particularly big game hunt is 325 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: a Wyoming antelope hunt. It's a nonresident you can get 326 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: and then your family. Yeah, you can't probably your family 327 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 1: in the late summer, right analopns. You do not have 328 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 1: to get up early in the morning. You can get up, 329 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: get the family going, roll out there at ten o'clock, 330 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: go hunting, leave the kids at the truck for a 331 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: little bit. Whatever has to happen. Um but uh and 332 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: for antelope does or even a bucking wyoming, you can 333 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: probably get it done in two days, two days of hunting, 334 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: and the tags are cheap. Right antalope tags in Montana, 335 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: I wasn't even thinking about. But you know, I want 336 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: to move back and we can't spend all our time. 337 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: Now here's the second mold. Like this is one of 338 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: the second most common questions that ever come in, is like, 339 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: what's a good all purpose rifle, both in terms of 340 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: caliber and everything else? Reasonable price, reasonable price? You know 341 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: this question comes in. I swear every day and in 342 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: a couple and every day a couple of times in 343 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: some different way. Let's start with the caliber part, like 344 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: what's a great all purpose caliber. There's a movement right 345 00:19:55,840 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: now in shooting, in hunting to go with lighter calibers. 346 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: This has to do with recent they're sort of ongoing 347 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: technical improvements to ammunition. Ammunition is becoming more reliable, the 348 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: materials work better, they're bonded in better ways. The bullets themselves. 349 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but bull yeah, I mean bullets are getting well, 350 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 1: they're getting pushed faster, and they're performing better. They're able 351 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: to withstand you know, very high flight speeds or you 352 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: know feet per second, high musclevelosities. They hold together better, 353 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: and this is leading to like greater efficacy on part 354 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: of the bullets. So people are realizing they can get 355 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: away from some of the high recoil shoulder busters and 356 00:20:56,040 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: shoot these faster, flatter shooting, smaller caliber rifles with high 357 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: quality bullets in them. I don't really want to get 358 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: into that, but like right now, sort of the hot 359 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: new caliber among long distance shooters and stuff is everybody's 360 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: you know, talking about how great six point five millimeter 361 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: rounds are. Right, everybody used to shoot, you know, point 362 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,719 Speaker 1: to eight for like seven millimeter stuff, and thirty caliber 363 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: stuff was sort of always like the go to calibers 364 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: for all purpose, you know, general purpose, big game rifles. 365 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: People are getting away with that in some way. I'm 366 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: sort of a throwback or traditionalist or something, or just 367 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: a guy who likes to stick with things and I'm 368 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: familiar with. But when I'm thinking about and it's like, 369 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,479 Speaker 1: I hate, I almost hate this conversation because it's so 370 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: dependent on your your personal experiences. I often tell people 371 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: if I had to have one gun, that I could 372 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: for the rest of my life, and I had to 373 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: pick it right now, Like what's your caliber for the 374 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: rest of your life? And you hunt all your interests 375 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: in all forms of big game in North America, I 376 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: would pick I had to pick one rifle, I think 377 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: that I would pick a seven millimeter m mag if 378 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: I was ruling out. Um, if someone came down and 379 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: said you can't have that one, then I would start wondering, 380 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 1: do I want a wind mag or just a two 381 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: seventy And I would start vascillating between those two. Now, 382 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: there's a lot of like there's a lot of ways 383 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: to achieve the same thing. Like when you say, like 384 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: you know three mag, there's three Wind mag or three 385 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: Chester short magnim. You can get those same muzzlevelocities and 386 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: trajectories and bullet weights with other guns. But those are 387 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: just ones that come to my mind. That's what you'll 388 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: find a lot of in my gun cabinet is that 389 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And I'm like an old timey Elmer 390 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: fuddy kind of guy for thinking that way, But that's 391 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: what I like. I tend to also like a rifle. UM, 392 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,719 Speaker 1: My goal isn't to try to get away with as 393 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: much as I can get away with. Like I'm not 394 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: the kind of guy who's gonna go out and hunt 395 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: mule deer with a two forty three. It can be done. 396 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: People do it. I remember meeting the kid. He's like, 397 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: this guy, tell me, oh, yeah, my kid just killed 398 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: elk with the two forty three. Later I was talking 399 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: to the kid. He's like, yeah, I shot at nine times. 400 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: I'm not saying he couldn't have done it cleaner, but 401 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: I'm just but I like to have. I like to, 402 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: you know, have plenty of gun, plenty of bullet, plenty 403 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:52,959 Speaker 1: of speed, and plenty of weight. And you know, that 404 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: seems to be a fading perspective. It seems to be 405 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: now this competition to like get away with as much 406 00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: as you can get away with, like shrink it down 407 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: as watches you can shrink it down. And also, at 408 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: the same time, I think you're gonna shoot things from 409 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: farther and farther away. So I'm gonna use a really 410 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 1: teeny bullet this borderline already, and I'm gonna toy around 411 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: this idea that I'm gonna be shooting stuff at seven 412 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: yards with it. I'm not that crazy about it. I'm 413 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: done talking about him. I'm gonna be honest talking about 414 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: it now. It's a very very in depth subject, that's 415 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 1: for sure, and we certainly don't have enough time or 416 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: I don't have the experience and knowledge to really really 417 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: uh speak to it too. But just speak in your 418 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: own Like I said, it is a personal thing. You've 419 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: been in. You've watched a hundred elk in your career, 420 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: right right, and in our camp. You know it's gonna 421 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 1: toy contradict what you just said. But in our camp, yes, 422 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: you pellet rifles. No, the one rifle every guy in 423 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: our camp used to always like drop his shoulders, drop 424 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: his head when it walked the camp when it was 425 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 1: time to go l Connie with a new group of 426 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: clients was a seven millimeter Remington magnets. Personal experience like 427 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: not big enough. Uh yeah, you know, too fast, too small, 428 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: and yeah it just didn't whatever. We just had bad 429 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: experiences with that caliber and whatever. You know, that's just 430 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,360 Speaker 1: how it went. It just happened to be that way. 431 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: You know, it could be a total how does your 432 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: brother saying like we're just getting fulled fooled by randomness, Brothers, 433 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: My brother is a cologist, but he's a statistician. Um. 434 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: Even more technically, he like he's does a type of 435 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: work or a discipline or something called basie and analysis. 436 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: I could be screwing. I hope he's not listening to this, 437 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: but he's a statistician. He's really big into the science 438 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 1: of science, or he's big into, you know, how scientists 439 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 1: approach things, how scientists think, how their influenced, what they're 440 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: biases are. And one of the things that he's interested in, too, 441 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: is his idea of being fooled by randomness. Like you're 442 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: out fishing and you got are all fishing a pumpkin 443 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: colored grub for small mouth, and someone puts a black 444 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: grub on and hooks a fish that he's like, oh, 445 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: they're hitting black, and everyone switches to black. He thinks 446 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: that those situations are ripe for being fooled by randomness. Um. 447 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 1: But anyhow, so yeah, back very quickly to calibers without 448 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: going into the rifles themselves. Um, I'm I'm even older, 449 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: more fundier traditionalist guy than you. So I'm gonna go 450 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: with to seventy and the thirty six multiple reasons, but 451 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: always find ammo for it. And uh, those calibers have 452 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: been killing stuff for many, many, many years. Um. But 453 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: my takeaway, or what I'd like the listener to takeaway 454 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: would be, is to pick the caliber, use a premium bullet, 455 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: whatever caliber you choose, use the best bullet you can afford, 456 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: and shoot the caliber that you can shoot comfortably and 457 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: confidently until sick of these guys to make their whole 458 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 1: decision based on recoil. Well, it's a big deal. So 459 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: if if you listen, if he has to funk up, 460 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: it's such a it's such bullshit because guys say that, 461 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: oh yeah, man, I can handle that going. I'm bucking up. 462 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: And you watch him shoot, and the guy pulls his 463 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: head of foot away from the sculpt before he pulls 464 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 1: the trigger because he's got the flinch him so bad. 465 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: So you can't say that he's he's got I don't 466 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: mean buck up physically, I mean buck up psychologically. Okay, 467 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: Well that you know that takes time and practice. But 468 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, whatever it is, if you some guys, 469 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: maybe just or or any person. We shouldn't say, guys, 470 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: some person might never ever be able to shoot a 471 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: thirty caliber um, you know, magnum rifle. It just might 472 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: not be in their things, small framed, just they don't 473 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: have the you know, my kids starts hunting, I'm gonna, yeah, 474 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have him home with the seven mm a 475 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 1: weight I think recoil issue. Yeah, So I'm not saying, 476 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: but listen to seven M I was talking about the 477 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: seven millimeter remake, and again it's like there's so much 478 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: personal bias. Right, I just happened to own very nice 479 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: shooting seven millimeter round mag shooting like one sixty grain 480 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: bullet at about three thousand ft per second mulciplocity, and 481 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: it just shoots good for me, right, and I've had 482 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 1: some good hunting experiences with it. So therefore I'm extolling 483 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: this caliber based on just a very small thing. I 484 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: happen to own one that I've had good experiences with 485 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: and that I like, could I have had that same 486 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: rifle chambered in a different round and taking it on 487 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: those hunts and had those experiences. Absolutely, And if that 488 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: was the case, I'd be talking up that one. So 489 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: Janice is right there. If kicks, like there's kick, I 490 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: have a three that kicks like a very slow kick. 491 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: A seven milliment around meg kicks you like like getting 492 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: kicked in the face by Joe Rogan because we're just 493 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: watching him kick a kicking bag the other day. It's like, 494 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: that's a seven millimeter ram meg and it's so abrupt 495 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: and fast that it gives you a headache. And all 496 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: those things can be managed a little bit. You know. 497 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: There's also a big fat of very lightweight what they 498 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: call mountain rifles. If you're packing on a rifle the 499 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: only weighs seven pounds, all loaded up with the scope 500 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: on everything, it's gonna kick and bark and want to 501 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: jump that same rifle. You know. The heavier stock or 502 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: heavier this that that comes in at ten pounds is 503 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: gonna recoil a lot less. And my my seven mm 504 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: m bag with a scope on it is twelve pounds 505 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: nine ounces, right heavy. But you like my brother Danny said, 506 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: he's got an old Ruger Ruger Model seventy seven. It's 507 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: a thing weighs a ton um. But he said, man, 508 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: you as you lay that thing over your backpack and 509 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: you know something's gonna die. It's just like right, a 510 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: heavy right folds just settles in. Yeah, you're like he 511 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: was just talking about that, you know, just like you 512 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: lay that thing up in your pack and you get 513 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: nestled in there and it's just like that thing is 514 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: just there's no doubt where that bullets going. And those 515 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: light rifles. I had a rifle. It was too light. 516 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: I couldn't shoot it. I never felt good mhm in 517 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: a real world hunting scenario. That's a big thing. Not 518 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: a lot of people talk about there's this big push 519 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: for light rifles. Is it's like it seems like a 520 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: recoil thing to me, this big push for light rifles. 521 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: People are talking about carrying them around. But the reason 522 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: I'm carrying mine around is I'm hoping to shoot it 523 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: at some point and if I need a couple more 524 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: pounds to make that thing feel good when I go 525 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: to shoot it. And the vast the bulk of the 526 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: shooting I do, and I hunt, you know, Western hunts 527 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: a lot, the bulk of the shooting I do is prone. 528 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: With my pack. What was the word you use the 529 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: your day for certain kind of rests improvised? Is shooting 530 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: prone with an improvised rest backpack? Why to jackets your 531 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: buddy's shoulder or whatever? And doing that, I find the 532 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: little bit of weight on that rifle makes a huge 533 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: difference Okay, we gotta take a quick break. We'll be 534 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: right back after this message. I don't mind toting around 535 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: some extra pounds. My twelve pound nine ounce rifle was ridiculous, 536 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: too heavy, too heavy. These six seven pound rifles, I 537 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: don't know, they're light. Yeah, I think that eight to 538 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: nine is really optimal, you know, I mean everybody, And 539 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: look a lot a lot of people that are packing 540 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: around six pound rifles. They could shoot better with a 541 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: seven or eight pound rifle, and they could just shave 542 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: those two pounds off their gut and be all the 543 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: same going up the hill. That's a good point, man. 544 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: I had a rifle that not long ago I sent 545 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: to a gunsmith to put a heavier barrel on it. 546 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: Not because I want, not for anything to do with 547 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: like the barrel, overheating or anything. I just wanted more white. 548 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: The rifle never felt good to me shooting it. Loved 549 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: carrying it, you know, It's like carrying around a chopstick. Yeah. Lastly, 550 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: for me, on caliber, I feel like you need to 551 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: be able to put that bullet confidently in the spot. 552 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: So again, shoot what you're comfortable and confident with, and 553 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: I would rather you put it in the spot that 554 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: you know, I tell you to put it as opposed 555 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: to flinch thems and you know who knows where the 556 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: bullet goes. And then we're just hoping that big overrides. Uh. 557 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: You know, bad shot placement. That's the point that's brought 558 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: up so much. Man, I mean, you kill elk with 559 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: a pen knife, You've put in the right place. That's right. Uh, 560 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: let's move on to your best, reasonably priced, affordable good rifle. No, 561 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: I want to I want to change. Let's get to that, 562 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: but I want to change. I want to interlude with 563 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: one that comes up all the time. Can you dry 564 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: age venison and elk and stuff? Okay, yeah, there's a companies. 565 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: You don't want to age at all. Don't age bears 566 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: and don't age pigs because the fat isn't tolerant. The 567 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: fat sour is bad. And not only that, but the 568 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: fat on wild pigs and the fat on bears, well, 569 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: fat on everything sours in your freezer taste a lot longer, 570 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: but it will happen. You can put a fatio chunk 571 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: of bear meat in your freezer and pull it out 572 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: eight months later, and that stuff will have turned a 573 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: bluish green color. I'm not joking. If you're trim the 574 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: fat away right away, kill a bear, skin it, trim 575 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: the fat away, get the thing into your freezer. Kill 576 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: a bear or kill a wild pig, skin it, get 577 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: the fat off. There's a lot of uses for the fat. 578 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: You can render it out and do great stuff with it. 579 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: Because when it's rendered, it's has a great shelf life. 580 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: It doesn't on the animal other than that on hoof dance. 581 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: So birds, well, we're not gonna talk about births. That's 582 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: the whole other thing. On hooved animals. You can definitely 583 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: age them, the all kinds of thinking about how you 584 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: age them, hide on, hide off. Do you recommend it? Yeah, 585 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 1: if you have the facility for it. Because what I 586 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:11,919 Speaker 1: was gonna point out, in so much of my life, 587 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 1: I'm always like thinking of this situation where I'm gonna, 588 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: you know, have like a walk in cooler. It just 589 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: never all standless steel meat hooks on rollers. It never happens. 590 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: What does happen is you're in some hotel room in Phoenix, Arizona, 591 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: trying to butcher a deer in a bathtub because you're 592 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,240 Speaker 1: flying out the next morning. Or you and your buddy 593 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: go up and you gotta come back home, and you 594 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: know that at home it's seventy degrees out. You gotta 595 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 1: work the next morning. You got too dead deer. You know, 596 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: it's just not like it. Just those those are games. 597 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,879 Speaker 1: Let's talk about. Let's just say you are living in 598 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: um you know a little bit of a northern latitude, 599 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: and you do have a garage with a concrete flu 600 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: or that does stay cool. What can we do that? 601 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: I tell you an anecdote my old roommate when I 602 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: was in h school, my roommate killed a calf elk 603 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: in the in the late season hunt. It was a 604 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 1: January hunt. He killed a calf elk. We hung that 605 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: calf elk in my garage, skin off, and never froze 606 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 1: any of that elk, and ate the entire thing with 607 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: it hanging in that garage with the temperature hovering a 608 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: tad below a tad above freezing in the wintertime it 609 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: hung in there. It must have been an are It 610 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: must have taken us probably about seven weeks to eat 611 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 1: that thing. We just will. Sometimes you go out there 612 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: and did field kind of frozeny sometimes to be fine, 613 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 1: and we just ate it. My old man talks about 614 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: my dad was born. He hadn't use fifties dead now, 615 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 1: but he's got some old timey experiences. He was talking 616 00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: about hanging deer skin off until there was a quarter 617 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: inch of mold covering the deer, at which point they 618 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: would butcher the deer. This calf elk I'm talking about 619 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,240 Speaker 1: that we had hanging there. You could, I'm not joking you. 620 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 1: You could stick your thumb through that meat. It was 621 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:25,879 Speaker 1: so beautifully like dry aged by the end of it. 622 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 1: But it was perfect conditions. This is in Montana, dry cold, 623 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: sheltered area. It's good what I do now, and I 624 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: want to talk about real world stuff. The only talk 625 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: about my my brother Danny's experience. What a strategy my 626 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,840 Speaker 1: brother Danny's. Oh, I also wanna say. We had that 627 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,479 Speaker 1: elkin Kentucky and a guy in that case we we're 628 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: going somewhere else couldn't bring the elk comb And that 629 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 1: was like one of the only times in recent memory 630 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,399 Speaker 1: I've ever had something butchered by a butcher. He hung 631 00:36:55,440 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 1: that thing ten days and dude, I couldn't tell. It 632 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,839 Speaker 1: wasn't like it was like tender regular old doubt right 633 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: old out. My brother Danny, uh kills the moose every year. 634 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 1: It's kind of like his main thing as his main parties. 635 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 1: He kills a moose and that's what his family eats. 636 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 1: Everything else is just extra. He don't think about having 637 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 1: his freezer like I often think, like, okay, falls coming, 638 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: October is coming. I want to have my freezer emptied 639 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 1: out all of last year's game eating up because I'm 640 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: gonna be filling it with new game this year. Um. 641 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,280 Speaker 1: He thinks about it the other way around. He doesn't 642 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 1: want his freezer to be empty around September, which is 643 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: his main hunting time. He doesn't want his freezer to 644 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:46,319 Speaker 1: be empty in September. He wants to have like if 645 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: he's in't going into a new year. So let's say 646 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: he's fall of this, he's following two thousand fifteen. He 647 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 1: wants two thousand fourteen is game to be Peter and 648 00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: Out midwinner because that allows the animals this he's killed 649 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: in the fall to age in his freezer. This is 650 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: something people don't talk about. They should talk about it more. 651 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: HOOFD game ages intend arizes in your freezer the same 652 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 1: way if you leave something in your freezer too long, 653 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 1: it can go south on you can go bad. Some 654 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 1: of that decay is good, and some of that decay 655 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: is called aging, like aging is just breaking down. He 656 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,320 Speaker 1: kills the moose in September. He don't want to even 657 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 1: look at that thing for a few months. He forgets 658 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:42,319 Speaker 1: about it. Butcher's it right away. He's got that time 659 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: of year. You got blowflies everywhere. It's just like, you know, 660 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: it's wet, rainy. The thing is already coming back a mess. 661 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: You know. He hunts out of canoes and stuff. They 662 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 1: come back. They got a moose all chopped up in 663 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 1: game bags. You get home, there's you know, meat bees, blowfly. 664 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,840 Speaker 1: Lord knows what it gets in the freezer, forgets about 665 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 1: it because it ages. Then what you do, and this 666 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,840 Speaker 1: is what I do all the time. If I'm home 667 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: for a week and I know, okay, i'm home, I'm 668 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: working from home, I'm gonna be cooking every night. I 669 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: don't just do all my thawing the morning. I'm gonna 670 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 1: cook something. If I know on Friday, I'm like Friday, 671 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a big elk crost. I will thaw 672 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: that thing out maybe on Saturday. I don't know if 673 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 1: I'm saying all kinds of stuff that violates the U. 674 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,879 Speaker 1: S d A protocol. I guess I don't really care. 675 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 1: I'll pull that thing out on Saturday and and I 676 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 1: don't even know this is the right word. Basically, I 677 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: dry age that thing for five six days in my fridge. 678 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,360 Speaker 1: I don't care. Like I it makes it more tender, 679 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 1: and it makes the texture nicer to dry ryot because 680 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,759 Speaker 1: you know, it's wild game more than like when when 681 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 1: you thought a wild game out. You know, it's like 682 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 1: when you freeze it fresh and stuff, you notice that 683 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: it bleeds a lot. You know. I've also heard it 684 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 1: that's a big part of off flavors. And that's why 685 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 1: you should do what you're talking about, is because when 686 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 1: you're letting it sit like that, you'll see that it 687 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: does release some more of that blood. You get rid 688 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 1: of that blood. Sometimes that blood can is where that 689 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 1: the texture gets. I'll let it sit, I like, ideally, 690 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 1: I like to let it sit until a little rind 691 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: forms on the outside of that block of meat, and 692 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: then I trim that rind off and that stuff. Sometimes 693 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:44,319 Speaker 1: it looks so beautiful under there. But yeah, let's say 694 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,840 Speaker 1: I just live and I and I have this. I 695 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 1: have this just to answer the question, I live in 696 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 1: some place. I hunt near there. I got a boatload 697 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:58,759 Speaker 1: of money. I go out and build myself uh factory 698 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 1: spec meat aging walk in cooler. Yeah, there's not a 699 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,280 Speaker 1: thing that I kill outside of wild pigs and bears 700 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,720 Speaker 1: that I wouldn't go hanging there for a couple of weeks. 701 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 1: For as long as I could. I'd monitor it closely, 702 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 1: but absolutely unhang everything. Just to answer the question, yeah, 703 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 1: my quick answer is at least to twenty four hours 704 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,880 Speaker 1: because and again I'm no expert on this, because but 705 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,280 Speaker 1: from what I've read, that's how long it takes forga 706 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:33,839 Speaker 1: mortis to set and then leave those muscles and so um. 707 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,279 Speaker 1: And I've had that. I've eaten meat that was, you know, 708 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,479 Speaker 1: too fresh. We talked about that a lot on the show, 709 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: because we're eating meat right there in the field and 710 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,799 Speaker 1: sometimes that too fresh meat needs to be pounded with 711 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,400 Speaker 1: a rock to make it tender. And so I give it. 712 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 1: I try to give it at least twenty four hours 713 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 1: from when it hit the dirt, which isn't too hard. 714 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: Usually by the time you get home it's been that long. 715 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:52,759 Speaker 1: I want to hit U super quickly. They're gonna go 716 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 1: back up to the money wanted to get. What's your 717 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,240 Speaker 1: opinion on hunting wolves. I think wolve should be managed 718 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:03,720 Speaker 1: like big game, managed like all big game. UM, don't 719 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 1: push them to the point where their viability is threatened. 720 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:08,719 Speaker 1: Same way I wouldn't want to hunt elk until their 721 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:14,120 Speaker 1: viability is threatened. It's a renewable resource. There's hunter interest 722 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,239 Speaker 1: in it. If you can allow some extraction of the 723 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 1: renewable resource without damaging the viability of the resource, I 724 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 1: think you should do it. Yahny, Well, now, don't you 725 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 1: want to talk about wolves? Boys? You were you were 726 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 1: hot from one of these questions. Oh, we just we're 727 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: gonna finish up on the caliber rifles thing. If you 728 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: want to talk about like a model, you know, a 729 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,680 Speaker 1: maker and a model of a good affordable rifle, that's 730 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 1: pretty should be able to answer that in a couple 731 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 1: of sentences. But what is affordable less than a thousand bucks? Um, 732 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 1: I guess there's a couple of tiers. Let's let's let's 733 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,560 Speaker 1: do one less and one under a thousand. About that, 734 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,239 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I just buy so few 735 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,279 Speaker 1: like I just don't buy rifles. I have rifles that 736 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 1: I've always had. I have rifles that I've gotten from friends, 737 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,719 Speaker 1: and I've had rifles that I've gotten through work, So 738 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 1: I can't. I don't really know, like I would be 739 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 1: a really I would be really bad hunting equipment prices 740 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:17,560 Speaker 1: right because the peculiarity of my occupation in in life. 741 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,920 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know what stuff costs. It's embarrassing. 742 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,279 Speaker 1: I mean I know what stuff costs, I don't know 743 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:23,960 Speaker 1: what that kind of stuff costs that much. What you 744 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,439 Speaker 1: tell me, what's the good five rifle? Is there a rifle? Yeah? 745 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 1: I believe that it's I think you can get a 746 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 1: Remington's seven hundred in like the bottom tier that's right 747 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 1: at that price mark. I want to tell a red Aster. 748 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 1: There's also a Ruger American, which I think comes in 749 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,279 Speaker 1: right at that price mark. And then when just a 750 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,560 Speaker 1: model seventy, they probably have one as a more of 751 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: a plastic e composite stock on it. It's seven nice 752 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 1: synthetic or a nice wood stock um, but all three 753 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,000 Speaker 1: of those makers too. You can get into that seven 754 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,799 Speaker 1: ellar range and get yourself a really nice rifle that 755 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,880 Speaker 1: will last many, many years, probably many generations, as long 756 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,200 Speaker 1: as you take care of it. I want to tell 757 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:07,759 Speaker 1: Remington Model seven story. My old man. He died in 758 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:14,279 Speaker 1: December two thousand two. In two thousand he bought a 759 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:19,560 Speaker 1: brand spiggotty spangety new Remington Model seven Hunter. I remember 760 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 1: at the time, I remember, I feel like it cost him, 761 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,440 Speaker 1: you know, four or five bucks at the time he dies, 762 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 1: I don't even if you ever shot anything with this thing. 763 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 1: He dies, and we have this little drawing where we 764 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 1: put uh me and all my sip, my brothers, and 765 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,840 Speaker 1: all my half siblings and stuff. We wrote down the 766 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,120 Speaker 1: name of all his guns. Like he got a little 767 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:43,600 Speaker 1: pieces of paper. On each of the piece of paper. 768 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,440 Speaker 1: He wrote down the name of one of our old 769 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,120 Speaker 1: man's guns and put him in a hat and started 770 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 1: drawn the pieces of paper out of a hat to 771 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,480 Speaker 1: see who got what. He didn't specify any of this 772 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 1: in his will, you know. So I drew this new 773 00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:02,280 Speaker 1: Reming to Model seven, left in my minds for years. 774 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 1: At some point I got it and brought up to 775 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:09,160 Speaker 1: my cabin in Alaska, and never really shot it carefully. 776 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:10,880 Speaker 1: I mean, we sighted it in by by shooting it 777 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,600 Speaker 1: at old oil drum, just to make sure it was 778 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,520 Speaker 1: kind of right on. I took it up a mountain 779 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,759 Speaker 1: shot a blacktail deer. Uh took it out in the 780 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 1: boat on salt water. My brothers shot at blacktail deer 781 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:29,680 Speaker 1: with it. This is a thirty OT six model. Then 782 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,000 Speaker 1: I hung it on the wall in my cabin, which 783 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,480 Speaker 1: is the wettest, rustiest, nastiest place on the planet, and 784 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,560 Speaker 1: I just sprayed it down with w D forty, but 785 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,480 Speaker 1: didn't do anything to the boar, you know, the inside 786 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,359 Speaker 1: of the barrel. And UH left it up there for 787 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,600 Speaker 1: a decade, for almost a decade, to the point where 788 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,520 Speaker 1: you look down this barrel and you could barely see 789 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,719 Speaker 1: down it the boar. So rusty took that thing home, 790 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,479 Speaker 1: cleaned it up, and for the first time in my life, 791 00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 1: probably the first time in the gun's life, took it 792 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:05,720 Speaker 1: down to a rifle range to shoot box ammo, to actually, 793 00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,719 Speaker 1: like on a bench, shoot this rifle. Oh, this is 794 00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 1: the one that I cleaned out. Dude, Oh, Johanna's cleaned 795 00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,200 Speaker 1: it out right. Let me tell you. I'm telling you 796 00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,439 Speaker 1: the first twenty patches that came out of the bore. 797 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if I can say it, but it 798 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,360 Speaker 1: mean it looked like diarrhea. I mean, it was just brown, 799 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:30,600 Speaker 1: goopy soupy, and I was almost scared to fire the thing. Yeah, 800 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,040 Speaker 1: Joanna's even expressed fear about firing, and He's like, I 801 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,800 Speaker 1: don't know what's gonna happen that rifle. Of all the 802 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,400 Speaker 1: rifles I own, and I owned some expensive ask custom rifles, 803 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,480 Speaker 1: if I had to go out right now to shoot 804 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,279 Speaker 1: and someone said you gotta shoot me the tightest group 805 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,040 Speaker 1: you can shoot, I would take that rifle. I take 806 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,359 Speaker 1: that rifle the range and shot three shot group after 807 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,440 Speaker 1: three shot group after three shot group that were two 808 00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,600 Speaker 1: touching like be like two touching and one just off 809 00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,120 Speaker 1: of touch. Yeah, they were pouting about half inch to 810 00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:06,520 Speaker 1: three quarter inch groups, which is just that's that's an 811 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:14,560 Speaker 1: abuse model seven hundred shooting box AMMLE. So I don't know. 812 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,640 Speaker 1: And I'm a guy who owned some expensive as custom rifles, 813 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,799 Speaker 1: I don't get that kind of group out of so. 814 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,400 Speaker 1: You know, I know a lot of guys like t 815 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,200 Speaker 1: K three lights, but those are more expensive. That seems 816 00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:32,200 Speaker 1: like a very popular out of the box gun. You 817 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,279 Speaker 1: just gotta shop around. Man. If I was really going 818 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:35,719 Speaker 1: to buy a new rifle, I don't. I don't think 819 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,800 Speaker 1: I would buy new. I would spend a bunch of 820 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,480 Speaker 1: time on gunbroker dot com and stuff like that. That 821 00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,440 Speaker 1: and a great tip. Find a dude who's got a 822 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,680 Speaker 1: custom rifler is some kind of souped up rifle that 823 00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,480 Speaker 1: is old lady is mad about him halving and he's 824 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,319 Speaker 1: gotta sell it. Yeah, and the used gun racks at all, 825 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,160 Speaker 1: the Sportsman's and the Cabellas are great places to be looking. 826 00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,120 Speaker 1: You kind of need to know what you're looking for. Um, 827 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,600 Speaker 1: but they they have quality stuff and they're not gonna 828 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,360 Speaker 1: They're not gonna just have junk in there. But what 829 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:04,920 Speaker 1: a guy told me once, and I was in there 830 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,960 Speaker 1: perusing the guy that worked in the gun library or whatever, 831 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,160 Speaker 1: I forget what I was looking for. I was looking 832 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,480 Speaker 1: for a dear calibern It just happened to be November. 833 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,879 Speaker 1: So he's like, man, it's just it's just you're looking 834 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,040 Speaker 1: for that to seventy or whatever. It's the wrong time 835 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:22,200 Speaker 1: of year. You should come back about January, because what 836 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,319 Speaker 1: happens after big game season Now everybody wants to go 837 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:30,720 Speaker 1: hunt coyotes, environments and stuff. So everybody comes in switching 838 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,920 Speaker 1: out their six is there two seventies or just a 839 00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,319 Speaker 1: short magnums and they want the two hopped up to 840 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,239 Speaker 1: forty three or the hopped up you know, the little 841 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,600 Speaker 1: bitty guns to shoot you know, uh, coyotes with, and 842 00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,680 Speaker 1: then the same thing happens again. They do all that 843 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,839 Speaker 1: in the summer, and then they drop off all those 844 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,840 Speaker 1: vomit guns and one so it's kind of never ending cycle. 845 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,279 Speaker 1: I want to read it. I want to read a 846 00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,680 Speaker 1: question that cracks me up. This is a good guy 847 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:59,880 Speaker 1: I don't know, Chris Rao. Okay, this kind of this 848 00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,600 Speaker 1: in some way to me, really expresses everything we're talking 849 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,480 Speaker 1: about here. He says, I noticed you switched to the 850 00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,680 Speaker 1: two seventy WSM Winchester short mag. So it's like a 851 00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,719 Speaker 1: two seventy, but you know, a short version of two 852 00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,640 Speaker 1: seventy short action version in lieu of the long action 853 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,960 Speaker 1: seven millimeter mag. I have a two seventy w SM, 854 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,000 Speaker 1: and I absolutely love it. I was wondering what ammo 855 00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,880 Speaker 1: you are shooting or handloads for elk. I've taken eight 856 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,400 Speaker 1: bucks and probably a dozen hogs here in northern California 857 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,000 Speaker 1: where I live, few more, four mule deer out of state, 858 00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,080 Speaker 1: and two elk. But I'm always looking for new information 859 00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,680 Speaker 1: about hunting or components in my hunting gear. I hand 860 00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,200 Speaker 1: load and have taken all these animals to date with 861 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:46,959 Speaker 1: one bullet on forty grain nozzler accupond, all with one 862 00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:52,160 Speaker 1: shot from thirty to sixty eight yards. From my handloads 863 00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:56,040 Speaker 1: there are fairly fast at three thousand one d fifty 864 00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,719 Speaker 1: feet per second on the chronograph and very accurate. But 865 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,160 Speaker 1: everyone is telling me to switch to Burger or Barnes. 866 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:05,879 Speaker 1: I'm the kind of guy. If it ain't broke, don't 867 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,600 Speaker 1: fix it. But I'm always willing to experiment with new things. 868 00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:14,000 Speaker 1: Thanks for your feedback, dude, I would like don't do 869 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:19,200 Speaker 1: I wouldn't change anything. That's a great bullet. The occupon 870 00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,839 Speaker 1: only probably are getting with the occupon is it's it's 871 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,360 Speaker 1: got letting it. So if you're hunting, you know in 872 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,720 Speaker 1: more and more areas are gonna eventually be going lead free. 873 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,279 Speaker 1: You might run into trouble there. But for a guy 874 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,480 Speaker 1: like that with that track record to be sweating this 875 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,080 Speaker 1: stuff kind of shows you the poor state of affairs 876 00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:41,680 Speaker 1: were in when it comes to people acting like these 877 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,920 Speaker 1: little things are gonna fix problems. The dude could obviously 878 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:52,759 Speaker 1: shoot he's ambitious. Don't change anything. Yeah, it doesn't sound 879 00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,520 Speaker 1: like he's got any problems with his brig No, I 880 00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,759 Speaker 1: don't care everybody's talking about no. Nope, way to hack 881 00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,200 Speaker 1: on Barnes and Burger. I of Barnes and Burger bullets. 882 00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,160 Speaker 1: Here's no when it comes in all the time. What's 883 00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,640 Speaker 1: your painting on camouflage? I don't see you wear a 884 00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:15,160 Speaker 1: ton of it. Um, I'll tell you what. Here's a 885 00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:20,960 Speaker 1: couple of things about camouflage. Absolutely for turkeys, Absolutely for waterfowl, 886 00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:27,799 Speaker 1: always mostly had to toe and that not a lot 887 00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,080 Speaker 1: of times. It's not just the cameras is important self. 888 00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:35,120 Speaker 1: It's just covering up your white, flashy hands or even 889 00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,720 Speaker 1: if you have darker skin, just the oils and our skins. 890 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,960 Speaker 1: You know that that it tends to shine, so that 891 00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,040 Speaker 1: needs to be covered up and muted. Yeah, So like 892 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,879 Speaker 1: it's almost like camouflage. It's funny because I think when 893 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,040 Speaker 1: people I'm guessing when this guy says it, what he 894 00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:56,879 Speaker 1: means is like like garments with camouflage, garments with camouflage 895 00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:01,640 Speaker 1: patterns on them. My wife's taken off, not that she's here. 896 00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,759 Speaker 1: She has ducked in to say AUTI, Um, he saw 897 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:11,120 Speaker 1: about garments with like printed camouflage patterns. I'm guessing camouflage. Yeah, 898 00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:12,600 Speaker 1: I mean you can go out and hunt ducks with 899 00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,560 Speaker 1: just earth tones on, of course, but you gotta be 900 00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:20,360 Speaker 1: careful about blinds and camouflage yourself with vegetation, with material. 901 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,520 Speaker 1: But to to to get through this question, if I'm 902 00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:30,280 Speaker 1: going hunting for waterfowl or turkeys, I am very serious 903 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:34,680 Speaker 1: about wearing camouflage clothing. I have get this could be 904 00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,520 Speaker 1: a fool by randomness, but I don't think it is. 905 00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,239 Speaker 1: Remember one time when I first became a believer in camouflage. 906 00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,480 Speaker 1: I mean, my brother Danny, or hunt ducks in Michigan, 907 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,240 Speaker 1: kept flaring ducks out of our decoys on his little pond. 908 00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,239 Speaker 1: And I had a gray hoodie on light gray whitish 909 00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:53,000 Speaker 1: gray hoodie on my hood and I had a duck 910 00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,520 Speaker 1: jacket on, like a duck brown coax. We're hunting dead grass, 911 00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:01,319 Speaker 1: dead dead grass and cat tails. A bit of my 912 00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:05,520 Speaker 1: hoodie was sticking out. We kept flaring ducks. Danny's like 913 00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,800 Speaker 1: tuck that hooden. I tucked that hooden. Stop flaring ducks. 914 00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,239 Speaker 1: It could be fooled by randos, but I've seen a 915 00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:16,200 Speaker 1: lot of stuff like that happen over the years, particularly 916 00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:20,440 Speaker 1: face shine you're blowing birds, and then someone puts a 917 00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,440 Speaker 1: face mask on and you quit blowing birds because your 918 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:29,160 Speaker 1: face is just like oily and shiny, so covered up. 919 00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,560 Speaker 1: I wear camel, and I don't know. I can't tell 920 00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:37,879 Speaker 1: you this empirically. I wear camel bow hunting because why not. 921 00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,279 Speaker 1: It's just not that hard to get camel. It's like 922 00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,480 Speaker 1: you're never gonna regret having Like I can't imagine a 923 00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,600 Speaker 1: situation where I would regret having camel on, Like, oh 924 00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,720 Speaker 1: I would have got that thing had I been wearing 925 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:54,920 Speaker 1: solid colors. It just isn't gonna happen. Sometimes. I do 926 00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,360 Speaker 1: think that with some of the camel patterns that are 927 00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:01,439 Speaker 1: very very dark, that at a distance grater of even 928 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,600 Speaker 1: ten fifty, you start to look like a black bear. 929 00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,680 Speaker 1: And so in that case I'd rather just be wearing 930 00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,799 Speaker 1: like a nice light gray or or that first light 931 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,440 Speaker 1: dry earth, because even at a hundred yards I might 932 00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,040 Speaker 1: look more like that light rock on the hillside than 933 00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:19,399 Speaker 1: that black bear. I don't care. I don't worry about it. Hunting, um, 934 00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,759 Speaker 1: I don't worry about it. Rifle hunting for big game, 935 00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,560 Speaker 1: I never wear all. Growing up bow hunting, white tails, 936 00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,480 Speaker 1: we didn't wear a camel. My mom would stitch us 937 00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:32,160 Speaker 1: clothes out of wool. We'd wear that. We'd wear army 938 00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,880 Speaker 1: surplus wool earth tones. My dad always hunted muted earth tones. 939 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,279 Speaker 1: You know, he blended good. Um. We used to just 940 00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,520 Speaker 1: wear mostly because I do a lot of mountain hunting. 941 00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,280 Speaker 1: For years and years we did all of our mountain 942 00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:48,560 Speaker 1: hunting and mountaineering clothes. My especialty was going into good 943 00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:52,359 Speaker 1: wheels and stuff like that, Salvation Armies in high end 944 00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,040 Speaker 1: mountain towns. If you can go to a good Will 945 00:54:55,120 --> 00:55:00,960 Speaker 1: in Bozeman, Montana, or Jackson, Wyoming, Aspen, Colorado, you're gonna 946 00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,480 Speaker 1: get all kinds of like great mountaineering type clothes. And 947 00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,920 Speaker 1: I would hunt that stuff, high quality stuff that I 948 00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,880 Speaker 1: would get for cheap. Had I found awesome camel Jackson there, 949 00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:17,080 Speaker 1: I would have bought him too. But you know, um, 950 00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:18,920 Speaker 1: but if you have it, you're not gonna regret it. 951 00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,000 Speaker 1: Just if you have a good camera, wear it. If 952 00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:24,640 Speaker 1: you don't have a good camera and you like can't 953 00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:28,480 Speaker 1: afford good camel, I wouldn't stay home about it. For 954 00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,480 Speaker 1: big game for me, I feel that with the cameo 955 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:39,839 Speaker 1: and clothing and gear, the quiet uh Trump's the camouflage 956 00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,040 Speaker 1: we sat guiding. We used to have a lot of 957 00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,279 Speaker 1: guys that would show up with all sorts of cameo, this, 958 00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,240 Speaker 1: that and the other, and it was covered in velco. 959 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,840 Speaker 1: Nothing worse than trying to sneak through the woods, still hunting, 960 00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:51,600 Speaker 1: hoping to catch an elk just over the next rise 961 00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:53,600 Speaker 1: at a hundred yards and then behind you you here 962 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,640 Speaker 1: and that velco this out of the other rips open 963 00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,120 Speaker 1: and the guys you know, squeezing and just playing with 964 00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,640 Speaker 1: all the gadgets and whatever and being noisy, you know, 965 00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,960 Speaker 1: stuff scratching against his legs because his pants were too noisy, 966 00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,080 Speaker 1: because he was decided to bring out, you know, a 967 00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,680 Speaker 1: brand new pair of car hearts elk hunting versus like 968 00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:15,120 Speaker 1: a nice you know, shammi cloth pair of pants or um, 969 00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,799 Speaker 1: you know, some quiet wool or something. So I would 970 00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:21,759 Speaker 1: certainly go go find something quiet to go hunt big 971 00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:27,759 Speaker 1: game in versus uh, something cameo. You want another hypothetical, 972 00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,200 Speaker 1: like a not a hype not hypothetical. I don't even 973 00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:34,120 Speaker 1: know what I'm so fried out from from our from 974 00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:40,600 Speaker 1: guide book right, um, yeah, And he's holding the paper 975 00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:46,959 Speaker 1: to says fifty five minutes here's the interesting question. What's 976 00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,360 Speaker 1: your opinion on how hunting is going and what trends 977 00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,239 Speaker 1: should we support to cry and hunting today if you 978 00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,560 Speaker 1: want to continue to see a tendency towards smarter and 979 00:56:55,600 --> 00:57:00,000 Speaker 1: more realistic world war, real world hunting for future generation 980 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:05,000 Speaker 1: satans of hunters and anglers trappers. This dude's name actually 981 00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:09,879 Speaker 1: is hunter. Um. I don't like high wire stuff, man, 982 00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,560 Speaker 1: you know, I don't like it being confused with hunting, 983 00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,040 Speaker 1: and I don't like it taking on tendencies of hunting. 984 00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:21,560 Speaker 1: My brother raises these lambs. He gave one to me, 985 00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,400 Speaker 1: my buddy, you know, but he said, you know, you 986 00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,560 Speaker 1: gotta go out and shoot the lamb. So we went 987 00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,480 Speaker 1: out and shot our lambs with a twenty two out 988 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,920 Speaker 1: in the you know, in his pasture there. Did I 989 00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,600 Speaker 1: then go and post a bunch of pictures of me 990 00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:41,160 Speaker 1: sitting with that lamb, acting like I was out hunting lambs. No, 991 00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:47,400 Speaker 1: we were harvesting livestock. Um. The other problem, I have 992 00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:52,000 Speaker 1: a high wire stuff. Besides all that bad ethical stuff 993 00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:58,640 Speaker 1: paints a bad picture. Also just too risky. Um with 994 00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:04,800 Speaker 1: disease issues, disease vectors packing these animals into these you 995 00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:08,080 Speaker 1: know situations and then having disease transmission escaped the wild herd. 996 00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:09,960 Speaker 1: It's not worth the risk. You can give you all 997 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,280 Speaker 1: the economic numbers you want about Oh listen, that and 998 00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:13,960 Speaker 1: this and that. I just don't I don't like it. 999 00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:19,720 Speaker 1: I don't like it wild animals, h if you want to, 1000 00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:24,400 Speaker 1: you know, I don't like it seeing these animals, you 1001 00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:28,160 Speaker 1: know what, those ear tags and stuff. It just just like, 1002 00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:33,040 Speaker 1: on a personal level, it disgust me. I don't like it. 1003 00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:40,040 Speaker 1: I hate seeing it. What I do like is uh, 1004 00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:47,000 Speaker 1: people taking great care to utilize to the maximum potential 1005 00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:54,480 Speaker 1: the resources provided by the animals that they kill. Catching 1006 00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,960 Speaker 1: released angling. There's no real damage there, but it's just 1007 00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,160 Speaker 1: it's just you know, playing with your food to be 1008 00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:01,840 Speaker 1: a catch for these angler. And I still end today, 1009 00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:03,880 Speaker 1: but we did a whole podcast on catch and release. 1010 00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:08,120 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna talk about it now. Grab another question, Joannie. 1011 00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:18,280 Speaker 1: How do you cook red fox? Yeah? I we cooked 1012 00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,560 Speaker 1: coyote not long ago, a couple of years ago. I 1013 00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:22,880 Speaker 1: just burned. I did it like how I've had I 1014 00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,040 Speaker 1: saw how they cooked dogs in Vietnam, and I just 1015 00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:26,760 Speaker 1: cooked the coyote like that, burn the hair off, and 1016 00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,080 Speaker 1: then roast it wasn't that good. If I had to 1017 00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:32,200 Speaker 1: eat a red fox, like if I was doing it 1018 00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,160 Speaker 1: for fun, like people were coming over, We're gonna eat 1019 00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,520 Speaker 1: a red fox, I'll just burn the hair off and 1020 00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,960 Speaker 1: roasted just like a roast pig. If I just had 1021 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,600 Speaker 1: to eat it, like if someone came down and said, 1022 00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,480 Speaker 1: you can only eat red fox for the rest of 1023 00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,240 Speaker 1: your life, and that's what you have to feed your family, 1024 00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,400 Speaker 1: I would bone all of my red fox out, grind 1025 00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,400 Speaker 1: them up, and make stuff like chrees, oh and stuff 1026 00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:53,640 Speaker 1: like that, strong flavored sausages with it. Yeah, you can 1027 00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:57,080 Speaker 1: pretty much take any meat like that and braise it, 1028 00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:01,160 Speaker 1: which is basically like slow simmer cooking for a long 1029 01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,840 Speaker 1: period of time, and whether it's two hours or six hours. 1030 01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:06,560 Speaker 1: When it's done, you let it cool, you pick it 1031 01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:10,720 Speaker 1: off the bone, and then season it. Put in a 1032 01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,240 Speaker 1: bunch of barbecue sauce, and man, you could probably save 1033 01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:17,160 Speaker 1: that fox. And that's even better. I take it back 1034 01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,640 Speaker 1: when I said I wouldn't make trees O. I would 1035 01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,440 Speaker 1: take my red fox yank to hide off it, trim 1036 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,280 Speaker 1: whatever fat on. There is a way, quarter it out, 1037 01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,000 Speaker 1: rub h just a lot of salt and pepper on 1038 01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,560 Speaker 1: all those quarters. Brown them up in half butter and 1039 01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,040 Speaker 1: half oil. It's just me what I would do. Get 1040 01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,960 Speaker 1: a big pan, brown all those quarters, pack them into 1041 01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:41,000 Speaker 1: a big roasting dish, cover it two thirds away with water, 1042 01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,280 Speaker 1: put a lid on it. Put in my oven at 1043 01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:48,200 Speaker 1: between two seventy and three d degrees. Start poking it 1044 01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,920 Speaker 1: with a fork. About three hours later, when that thing 1045 01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,240 Speaker 1: was such that I could grab one of the bones 1046 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,080 Speaker 1: and flick it and all the meat would fly off 1047 01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:59,400 Speaker 1: the bone. I would shred that stuff up and I 1048 01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:03,000 Speaker 1: would use it on barbecue sandwiches. I'd put it on bridles. 1049 01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,120 Speaker 1: I'd put it on tacos. I got some I got 1050 01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,320 Speaker 1: some moose meat. Not that moose is like red fox. 1051 01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,640 Speaker 1: I got some moose meat by freezer, by fridge right now, 1052 01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,760 Speaker 1: Like that big roast I did. It's all set up 1053 01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:16,000 Speaker 1: in the aspect. I just keep warming that thing up, 1054 01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,000 Speaker 1: grabbing a handful out and doing stuff with it. I 1055 01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:20,880 Speaker 1: gave some of Yanni there night we had it on bridles. 1056 01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:25,360 Speaker 1: I'll do that with my fox. And if someone did 1057 01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:30,080 Speaker 1: come down from from wherever heaven outer space and said 1058 01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:33,040 Speaker 1: you have to eat red fox the rest of your life, 1059 01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:34,560 Speaker 1: I would I would be a little bummed, but I 1060 01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,000 Speaker 1: would I would figure it out. I'm not afraid about it. 1061 01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:40,040 Speaker 1: We will make it a point uh here soon to 1062 01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,240 Speaker 1: try to harvest one during a meat eat or shoot 1063 01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,320 Speaker 1: and uh cook one up, see what it tastes like. 1064 01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:47,800 Speaker 1: I want to do one last quick because this comes 1065 01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,240 Speaker 1: up last quick, because otherwise I'm gonna miss my flight. 1066 01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:55,160 Speaker 1: How do you get meat home on on you know trips? Uh? 1067 01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:58,200 Speaker 1: When I'm on a trip, flying or driving or whatever, 1068 01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,480 Speaker 1: I kill something, I take it apart in big pieces, 1069 01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,520 Speaker 1: so I bone out muscle groups. Put those muscle groups 1070 01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,000 Speaker 1: wrapping up in surrand wrapper. Better yet, put him into 1071 01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,200 Speaker 1: receivable bags, zip block bags, gallon size zip block bags. 1072 01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,360 Speaker 1: Big muscle group stuff. Get into a freezer evey. I 1073 01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,240 Speaker 1: go bang on the door at some restaurant and beg 1074 01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,960 Speaker 1: some dude who's like walking washing dishes on late night 1075 01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,840 Speaker 1: shift to put in the freezer for a night. Get 1076 01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,360 Speaker 1: a good freeze on it. Pack those bags and the coolers, duct, 1077 01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,880 Speaker 1: take the coolers shut. It'll stay frozen for days in there. 1078 01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,320 Speaker 1: When I get home, I let it thought a little 1079 01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:30,960 Speaker 1: bit so it's kind of soft. Then I do my 1080 01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,800 Speaker 1: final detail work and repackage it for my home freezer. 1081 01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:37,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening me Ner Podcast. Make sure to tune 1082 01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:44,920 Speaker 1: in Sportsman channel watch the show Meat Eater, Take Care,