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Speaker 1: Hello everybody. It is Saturday night, well, I guess Sunday

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Speaker 1: morning right here in UFC.

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Speaker 2: Two fifty six is in the books.

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Speaker 1: My name is Luke Thomas, I one half of the

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Speaker 1: hosting duo from Morning Combat. Brian Campbell, my colleague, gave

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Speaker 1: you guys an immediate reaction to the Joshua fight that

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Speaker 1: happened earlier today, and I'm going to take you through

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Speaker 1: an immediate reaction to UFC two fifty six is main

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Speaker 1: and co main event. The results are in and there's

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Speaker 1: a lot to get to. First things first, please like

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Speaker 1: the video of course, well, I appreciate that when you

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Speaker 1: from you, folks. So we appreciate you watching and but

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Speaker 1: we need that participation from you if you can. Now,

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Speaker 1: what do we have to say about Devison Figuredo and

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Speaker 1: Brandon Moreno, what do we have to say about Tony

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Speaker 1: Ferguson and Charles O Lavera.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into it now.

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Speaker 1: For a fuller card breakdown, you can wait for the

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Speaker 1: full episode of Morning Combat that'll happen at eleven am

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Speaker 1: on Monday, eleven am Eastern. That will have Brian's opinion

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Speaker 1: mine plus a whole lot more than just what I'm

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Speaker 1: going to cover here, but it is worth getting to

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Speaker 1: the main and co main event, all right. So Devison

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Speaker 1: Figuredo and Brandon Moreno had a draw, a majority draw.

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Speaker 1: The judges had at forty seven to forty six for

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Speaker 1: Figaredo and then two forty seven forty Seven's there, Okay,

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Speaker 1: what can we say about this fight? There's a lot

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Speaker 1: to say about this fight. In fact, in terms of

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Speaker 1: my scoring, I wasn't doing it in a the way

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Speaker 1: you're supposed to round by round and then scoring ten

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Speaker 1: to nine. It seemed to me that Figaredo had won

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Speaker 1: more rounds than Moreno.

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Speaker 2: But this is key.

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Speaker 1: Was it the second or third round there was a

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Speaker 1: point taken from Figaredo for and inadvertent but still quite

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Speaker 1: severe kick to the groin on Brandon Moreno, And I

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Speaker 1: didn't mind that. There was some smaller fouls that Figaredo

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Speaker 1: had landed earlier in the fight, and this was the

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Speaker 1: one that had really sort of stopped the action for

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Speaker 1: the most part, and you could see Moreno in extraordinary discomfort,

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Speaker 1: and the replay showed that again not intentional, but just

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Speaker 1: very severe. So referee Jason Herzog took a point, and

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Speaker 1: that of course is going to affect the scores as well.

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Speaker 1: I don't here's my again, and your mileage will vary

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Speaker 1: on this one. To me, the acceptable outcomes are a draw.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any problem with that, or a

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Speaker 1: win for Figaredo. I think the argument that Moreno, even

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Speaker 1: with the point deduction for Figaredo, did enough to win,

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Speaker 1: that's a little bit of a weaker argument. But I

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Speaker 1: have to say, you know, in fairness to everybody else,

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Speaker 1: there was a ton of diversity of scores all over

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Speaker 1: social media. What's kind of funny is in a draw,

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Speaker 1: you don't normally get fight fans who are pleased. I

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Speaker 1: mean they might sort of say reluctantly, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: this was the right outcome in terms of, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you're properly scoring it. But that doesn't mean they

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Speaker 1: really enjoyed the fight, or sometimes you can't even get

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Speaker 1: that that the judges might have messed it up. In

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Speaker 1: other words, when you get a draw, that's not really

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Speaker 1: the kind of finality that fight fans are looking for.

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Speaker 1: Here you had a draw, and I think most fight

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Speaker 1: fans who were watching tonight are quite pleased. With it

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Speaker 1: that that is a fair reflection again also adding in

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Speaker 1: that point deduction of what had happened. So kind of

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Speaker 1: an interesting moment. Now we'll circle back to this, but

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Speaker 1: I kind of I want to introduce it this way.

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Speaker 1: Some are calling it the best fight in flyweight history.

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Speaker 2: It might be.

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Speaker 1: If it's not it's number two or three on the list,

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Speaker 1: you know, at bare minimum top five, but it's it's

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Speaker 1: in that division's history. Now, the fifth round to be

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Speaker 1: fell off a cliff, but the first four rounds absolute total,

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Speaker 1: unequivocal magic. I mean, just just the best thing, okay,

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Speaker 1: which you had. It seemed to me was you had

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Speaker 1: I think Moreno's counterpunching on occasion was great. There were

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Speaker 1: Firing the head kick, especially kind of early. He led

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Speaker 1: And it also looked at me like he was physically

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Speaker 1: His right eye got messed up. There were some other

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Speaker 1: Rogan went into that I don't know what necessarily was

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Speaker 1: related to the pure firepower of Figuredo, but you know,

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Speaker 1: Figaredo was busting him up pretty good, and yet the

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Speaker 2: I mean, Moreno had but a would return fire.

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Speaker 1: And so there's a question about was it enough or

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Speaker 1: of that, and you know he never got tired. Amazingly, Figureedo,

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Speaker 1: Devinson Figureedo, but you got excellent versions of themselves. You

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Speaker 1: I think Figureedo has surprisingly good range command. Obviously, as

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Speaker 1: he is not to be trifled with. Marina will get

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Speaker 1: Figuredo landed one hundred and thirty seven of two hundred

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Speaker 2: Yeah, an unbelievable output.

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Speaker 1: And the biggest one of the all the rounds was

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Speaker 1: round four thirty eight to fifty three for Figaredo, forty

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Speaker 2: Place there since? Then?

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Speaker 1: To me, this is the answer. Is it the best

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Speaker 1: flyweight fight in history? You'd have Mighty Mouse versus John

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Speaker 1: company he's they're keeping. They're keeping company with Mighty Mouse,

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Speaker 1: They're keeping company with Benavitez, the two guys previously who

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Speaker 1: You know, historic moment really for that for that division.

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Speaker 1: And I said this on Twitter and and I'll say

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Speaker 1: it again here. You know, ten years ago, Kane notwithstanding,

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Speaker 1: it was impossible to imagine that a Mexican MMA fighter

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And of course Kane is an American and you know, sort

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Speaker 1: of Mexican by heritage, and there's a lot of complications

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Speaker 1: about how one defines identity, but I'm talking about you.

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Speaker 2: Know, homegrown from Mexico.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know, group of one of the teams there,

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Speaker 1: is the maturation of a market is slow, It takes time.

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Speaker 2: It's not easy.

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Speaker 1: It's not automatic, but it can happen, and you're begin

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Speaker 1: so wrong, you know, and I don't want to make

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Speaker 1: that mistake twice. So I'm not telling you that Ferguson

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Speaker 1: is done or can't get some really good, interesting, clever wins.

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Speaker 1: What I am telling you is you still cannot a

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Speaker 1: disregard that the beating he took against Gae Chee. You

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Speaker 1: can't declare that it had carry over to this fight,

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Speaker 1: but I really do wonder and it's certainly something you

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Speaker 1: cannot dismiss. I didn't see Eddie Bravo. I didn't see

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Speaker 1: Rashot Holloway in his corner. Maybe they were there. I

441
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Speaker 1: just I misinterpreted it, so I want to be clear.

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Speaker 1: But I didn't love if he had the same coaches

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Speaker 1: and yes on the ground that olivera is going to

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Speaker 1: beat just about anyone in that way on the ground

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Speaker 1: at one hundred and fifty five, but even on the feet,

446
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Speaker 1: he just he wasn't pulling the trigger quite the same way.

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Speaker 1: He just didn't have the same zip and pop and command.

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Speaker 1: You know, he was taking down three times against Kevin Lee,

449
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Speaker 1: but he also had really good takedown defense against RDA

450
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Speaker 1: and Ardia. Granted is not Charles Olvera. I'm just pointing out.

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Speaker 1: It just seemed like sometimes fighters get to a certain

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Speaker 1: level and then they decline from that. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if that's the case, but the evidence is pretty clear

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Speaker 1: that sometimes fighters can get to a good place and

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Speaker 1: then the game just catches up. I mean, do I

456
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Speaker 1: think John Jones is a better version of a fighter

457
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Speaker 1: than he was five, six, seven years ago? Yeah, of

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Speaker 1: course I do. But the game is caught up. That's

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Speaker 1: how you have a guy like Dominic Reyes who can

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Speaker 1: start pro MMA in twenty fourteen and then, in my mind,

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Speaker 1: take three rounds from him. It's because the game just

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Speaker 1: catches up at times. The game is catching up, you know.

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Speaker 1: And at thirty six thirty seven years old at heavyweight,

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Speaker 1: that's not that big a deal. Heavyweight fighters are kind

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Speaker 1: of old. In fact, thirty seven is not necessarily age

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Speaker 1: prohibitive whatsoever. At welterweight, which you have Tyron Widley thirty

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Speaker 1: eight years old, or at lightweight he'll soon be thirty seven.

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Speaker 1: He's thirty six now, you know. Again, not in any

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Speaker 1: way some kind of like, oh, the end is here,

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Speaker 1: and then you know, cashing your chips and that's the

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Speaker 1: end of it. It's not what I'm saying, but time

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Speaker 1: is not on his side. And for him to get

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Speaker 1: beaten up the way he did against Gae Chee and

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Speaker 1: then to just not only lose three rounds, but like

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Speaker 1: lose him kind of badly, it's not a great sign.

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Speaker 1: It's not a great sign, folks. Sometimes an mma just

477
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Speaker 1: want to say, oh, well, one guy was just better

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Speaker 1: than the other, and the other one's just the same

479
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Speaker 1: as they've always been. But if you're just the same

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Speaker 1: as you've always been and there was a guy you

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Speaker 1: would have beaten eight of the last ten years, maybe

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Speaker 1: nine out of the last ten years and not this year,

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Speaker 1: means the game is catching up to the level of

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Speaker 1: stasis that you are providing, or at least that's one

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Speaker 1: it seems. I want to be careful about this. Even

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Speaker 1: if you can't declare that outright, that is a fair

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Speaker 1: that's a reasonable conclusion to draw if you don't want

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Speaker 1: to draw it right yet, because you want to see

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Speaker 1: sort of like more like a Tyburn Woodley situation where

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Speaker 1: let's see like one more time, two more times and

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Speaker 1: let's see where we get from there. Fair you know again,

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Speaker 1: I don't want folks to give up hope and say

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Speaker 1: the end is nigh. But you can't take beatings in

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Speaker 1: this game and just decide they don't have a role,

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Speaker 1: or repeated injuries and say that they don't play a role,

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Speaker 1: or the case of his arm in this fight. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'll say this about Tony Ferguson. Ninety nine percent of

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Speaker 1: Black Belts would have tapped, forget humans. Percent of Black

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Speaker 1: Belts would have tapped, and he didn't because he is

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Speaker 1: just in his mind. It's so strong. But sometimes your

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Speaker 1: mind can be strong and your body won't catch up.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, however you want to frame it, losing,

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Speaker 1: you know, beating Mike Rio, Katsunori, Cocuno, Danny Castillo, Able

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Speaker 1: Trajuijo Gleason, Tibao, Josh Thompson, Edson Barbosa, landovernad A half

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Speaker 1: Au dos Angeos, Kevin Lee, Anthony Pettison, Donald Seroni. In

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Speaker 1: as late as June twenty nineteen, you can't get all

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Speaker 1: those wins, all those rounds, all those times, and then

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Speaker 1: you drop eight and a just decide the person is

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Speaker 1: not good anymore, which is not what I'm suggesting. But

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Speaker 1: b say that that's there as good as they've ever been.

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Speaker 1: Maybe there's a decline from their own level of ability,

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Speaker 1: and or the rest of the game has leveled up itself.

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Speaker 1: Even if he stayed the same, it is worth acknowledging that,

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Speaker 1: you know, this is a part of the game that sucks.

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Speaker 1: As a media member, when you say these kinds of things,

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Speaker 1: you don't do it to be mean or rude or awful,

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Speaker 1: or to be hurtful. Tony Ferguson has been a source

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Speaker 1: of joy for you know, thousands, millions of fight fans.

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Speaker 2: He has done something.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that win streak from the Rio fight to

521
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 1: the Seroni fight truly one of the most incredible things

522
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 1: you'll ever see, not only that division, in all of MMA,

523
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Speaker 1: and that he never really got the title shot when

524
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Speaker 1: he probably should have, and then he got the belt,

525
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Speaker 1: but he tripped over his a cable on a fucking

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Speaker 1: you know wire in a studio like you know, the

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Speaker 1: fortunes didn't smile upon him the way.

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Speaker 2: That he was owed. Man, he was owed those things

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Speaker 2: and he didn't get him.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to lose sight of that, and I

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Speaker 1: don't want folks to ever think anything less of him.

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Speaker 1: I just also cannot get on here and say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: same old Tony, same old thing. It's just that OLIVERA

534
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: is a lot better. Okay, there is no denying OLIVERA

535
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Speaker 1: is a lot better. And maybe OLIVERA would have beaten

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen Tony Ferguson. I don't know, but you can't

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Speaker 1: lose the way he's losing. And sometimes in the fight

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00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: game you just get old overnight. Look at Tyron Woodley, right,

539
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Speaker 1: I mean, he was just on top of the game

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00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: until he wasn't and now you're like, well, I don't

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Speaker 1: know where he goes from here. That's not necessarily the

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Speaker 1: place that Tony finds him off in.

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Speaker 2: But tonight when you.

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Speaker 1: Saw Jacqueray losing I don't know how many in a row,

545
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: JDS losing four in a row, Woodley three in a row.

546
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Speaker 1: It is hard to be an elite fighter as a

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00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: sport gets younger, which I think that it is. As

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Speaker 1: fighters get into the sport earlier, they're making their debuts

549
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: a little bit earlier, and it's hard to maintain that dominance.

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe maybe never got madeoffs getting out at

551
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Speaker 1: the right time, and maybe the bout all along was

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Speaker 1: never gonna be Tony versus Abib, It should have been

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Speaker 1: Habib versus I don't know, Olavera. Maybe it looks to

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Speaker 1: me like if Habib had fought this version of Ferguson,

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Speaker 1: whether in May or any other time, April and Brooklyn

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Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, it looks to me like Habee

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Speaker 1: probably would have won, and not without I should say

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Speaker 1: without much issue.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's speculative. Nobody knows.

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Speaker 1: So it's a big reset moment for Tony. Tony has

561
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Speaker 1: a lot of resetting to do to get back to

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Speaker 1: a point where he can showcase what made him good,

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Speaker 1: which was predictability mixed with a ton of unpredictability which

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Speaker 1: was iron jaw, a big punching power, well roundedness, ability

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Speaker 1: to scramble offense from everywhere. And credit to Olivera for

566
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Speaker 1: taking a lot of that away with the game plan

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Speaker 1: that he had. It was really, really smart and it

568
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Speaker 1: was dominant. And that's, if not the best jiu jitsu

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Speaker 1: in the UFC in terms of mma, like how it

570
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Speaker 1: applies in mma, it's top three, top two.

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Speaker 2: Charles Olivera is the.

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Speaker 1: Man, so you know, a painful loss, I think for

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Speaker 1: Tony Ferguson and his army of fans, and I understand

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Speaker 1: that let's be careful about this, let's see what he

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Speaker 1: can cook up in his next fight. But I don't

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Speaker 1: know how you can look at those eight rounds and

577
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Speaker 1: you could say, oh, he looked he won the second.

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Speaker 1: I mean sort of, he dropped justin at the end

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Speaker 1: of the second round, but in general, that was a

580
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Speaker 1: fight that was headed one way the majority of the time,

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Speaker 1: and he survived this one. But his arm is a disaster,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure today, and eight rounds all of a sudden

583
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Speaker 1: where you're getting crushed the game. The rest of the game,

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Speaker 1: people are leveling up around you, which means your place

585
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: in the division is not as ironclad as it once is,

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00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: and quite literally it is. He's gonna suffer a stock

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Speaker 1: drop on this one, so we'll have to see what

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00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 1: he can do from here. It's gonna be a big

589
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Speaker 1: test to regroup.

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Speaker 2: From this one.

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Speaker 1: But you know, if anyone is mentally tough enough to

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Speaker 1: regroup from that task, it is probably, if not certainly him.

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Speaker 1: All Right, well, there was so much more that happened.

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Speaker 1: We will get to all of it on Monday's Morning

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Speaker 1: Combat eleven am Live. Brian will be with me. You

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Speaker 1: guys will be with me Instagram. Tomorrow Morning Combat will

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Speaker 1: put up a post where you can leave all your

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Speaker 1: questions for us. We could talk Mackenzie Dern. We can

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Speaker 1: talk more about the flyweight fight. We can talk about

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Speaker 1: everything from the main and prelim card and blah blah blah,

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Speaker 1: everything up and down. Whatever is on your mind, we

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Speaker 1: will get to it. Okay, So thumbs up on the video,

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Speaker 1: hit subscribe and what a night of fights. Thank you

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Speaker 1: guys so much for joining me and until next time,

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