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Speaker 2: We begin our conversation here with the man running this election.
Speaker 2: David Scanlon is with us, the Secretary of State of
Speaker 2: New Hampshire, joining us live from the Capitol in Conquered
Speaker 2: and mister Secretary, I appreciate your coming along on this
Speaker 2: eve of the primary. I'd love to hear about what
Speaker 2: you think is going to transpire here, and I'd love
Speaker 2: to ask you about turnout. To start, I'm here in
Speaker 2: Manchester where it kind of looks like any other Monday.
Speaker 2: We're used to the big primary carnival, and it's been
Speaker 2: a bit quiet this time, this sense of inevitability. What
Speaker 2: will that look like when it comes to turnout.
Speaker 3: Well, I fully expect that there's going to be a
Speaker 3: good turnout tomorrow, certainly on the Republican side. President Trump
Speaker 3: has a good, solid base that turns out for him,
Speaker 3: and the undeclared voters in New Hampshire seem to be
Speaker 3: motivated to turn out for the Republican primary on the
Speaker 3: Democratic side, Usually when there is an incumbent president running
Speaker 3: for a second term, the turnout is lower than normal.
Speaker 3: The unusual case this election is that President Biden's name
Speaker 3: was not on the ballot because he declined to file
Speaker 3: here based on the issues we've been having with the
Speaker 3: Democratic National Committee.
Speaker 2: Well, in terms of the contested primary, it's Republicans, and
Speaker 2: I bring our listeners and viewers back to the record
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, two hundred and eighty five thousand, of course,
Speaker 2: Donald Trump won that primary. Mister secretary, what do you
Speaker 2: think it'll look like this time?
Speaker 3: Well, I made a prediction of three hundred and twenty
Speaker 3: two thousand voters turning out. Is that would be a
Speaker 3: record number of Republicans turning out for presidential primary. And
Speaker 3: the way I came up with that number was looking
Speaker 3: back at similar primaries and engaging turnout. This was a
Speaker 3: difficult one to predict because for the first time ever,
Speaker 3: we have two individuals that have served as president of
Speaker 3: the United States that are running in their respective primaries.
Speaker 3: And then you know, we have to look at how
Speaker 3: motivated the undeclared voters seem to be in the state
Speaker 3: to turn out and vote for a candidate in both parties.
Speaker 3: This time the actions on the Republican side.
Speaker 2: I'm compelled by the very practical nature of your work here,
Speaker 2: dealing with paper ballots driving them to central locations. There's
Speaker 2: obviously a great conversation here about election integrity, election security.
Speaker 2: How confident are you that this will be a clean
Speaker 2: process tomorrow.
Speaker 3: This will absolutely be a clean process, There's no question
Speaker 3: in my mind. And what happens in a polling place
Speaker 3: in New Hampshire is that the moderator will open the
Speaker 3: polls at the appropriate time, the voters will cast their ballots.
Speaker 3: When the polls close, the moderator will come up with
Speaker 3: the final results at that polling place. Those results will
Speaker 3: be posted at the polling place and then the return
Speaker 3: of votes will be filled out by the moderator that
Speaker 3: reflects those results. They will come to my office very
Speaker 3: early the following morning and we will add them up
Speaker 3: to certify the final results. In New Hampshire, the polling
Speaker 3: places are actually run at the local level by locally
Speaker 3: elected officials of moderator or clerk supervisors of the checklist selectmen.
Speaker 3: They're all elected by their neighbors and friends and members
Speaker 3: of the community, and they get those jobs because of
Speaker 3: their integrity and their ability to do a good job.
Speaker 3: In a small state, we will have over six thousand
Speaker 3: individuals working at the polls and they are all average
Speaker 3: citizens of New Hampshire, but they're dedicated to doing a
Speaker 3: good job and reporting accurate results.
Speaker 2: So with that said, why does New Hampshire have multiple
Speaker 2: closing times? How does that potentially complicate your job?
Speaker 3: Well, it's not that complicated. In New Hampshire, the law
Speaker 3: says the polling places have to be open from a
Speaker 3: minimum of eleven in the morning till seven o'clock. Many
Speaker 3: polling places have varying hours in the morning when they
Speaker 3: start up, but at the end of the night, most
Speaker 3: polling places close at seven o'clock and then there's a handful,
Speaker 3: maybe a couple dozen, that stay open until eight o'clock.
Speaker 3: So those are the two closing times. And I would
Speaker 3: expect that even with the write in effort taking place
Speaker 3: on the Democratic ballot for Present and Biden, that we
Speaker 3: will have results by the end of the night.
Speaker 2: By the end of the night, I just wonder after
Speaker 2: what happened in Iowa, how worried you might be for
Speaker 2: the Associated Press to make a call at seven when
Speaker 2: you still have people in line, potentially until eight o'clock.
Speaker 2: They called the caucuses half an hour into the process.
Speaker 2: Have you been in touch with the Associated Press? Will
Speaker 2: they wait until all polls are closed?
Speaker 3: I have not been in touch with the Associated Press.
Speaker 3: I would expect, as in prior elections, that results were declared.
Speaker 3: Outcomes of the election won't be made until after eight
Speaker 3: o'clock when all of the polls close.
Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like you're looking for an impressive turnout
Speaker 2: despite what seems to be a relatively subdued primary. Mister secretary,
Speaker 2: give us a bit of a seminar before you leave.
Speaker 2: In geography, where should we be watching tomorrow night in
Speaker 2: the communities and counties that will side the outcome of
Speaker 2: this election? Is it those along the mass border where
Speaker 2: you have a concentration of conservative Republican voters or will
Speaker 2: we learn more as we go north through the evening.
Speaker 3: New Hampshire has some interesting pockets of a voter turnout,
Speaker 3: and I think you're correct that there are towns along
Speaker 3: the southern border with Massachusetts that are conservative and will
Speaker 3: vote heavily Republican. And then you move up into some
Speaker 3: of the cities, whether it's Nashaua or Manchester over in
Speaker 3: the Sea coast, Portsmouth, or the town of Hanover where
Speaker 3: Dartmouth colleges, you would expect to see higher democratic turnout there.
Speaker 3: I think yeah. I mean it's hard to say which
Speaker 3: towns are going to be Bellweather towns in this election
Speaker 3: because it is very different.
Speaker 2: Appreciate your joining us on the eve of the primary.
Speaker 2: Good luck tomorrow, mister secretary. It's great to have you
Speaker 2: with us here on Bloomberg. David Scanlon live from the
Speaker 2: Capitol and conquered as we get things started here on
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Speaker 2: here on YouTube. I'm Joe Matthew in Manchester, New Hampshire.
Speaker 2: Thanks for being with us as we introduce two familiar
Speaker 2: voices and faces here. Also with us here in the
Speaker 2: Bloomberg bureau that we've set up on Elm Street in Manchester.
Speaker 2: Laura Davison is with us Bloomberg Politics correspondent, along with
Speaker 2: Greg recording. It's great to see both of you here. Gregory,
Speaker 2: thanks for joining at the table. Laura. Based on what
Speaker 2: we just heard a bit ambitious maybe on the turnout front.
Speaker 2: How's that going to look tomorrow based on your view?
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a kind of the real question and
Speaker 4: something that both campaigns are looking at closely, Hayley's camp
Speaker 4: in particular. Once a strong turnout, especially those undeclared, which
Speaker 4: I think will be sort of the piece that makes
Speaker 4: the difference for them. Hampshire is a little bit weird
Speaker 4: in that you can sort of be undeclared. It's not
Speaker 4: necessarily independent, but you can go in and choose a
Speaker 4: ballot on primary day. So this is a thing that
Speaker 4: New hamp Sure, New Hampshire herites take very seriously and
Speaker 4: you know, go to a bunch of events, meet these
Speaker 4: candidates and end up deciding you know, potentially, you know,
Speaker 4: in the final week up to the primary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've both been on the ground for a few
Speaker 2: days here, Gregory, what's your thought on a high turnout tomorrow?
Speaker 2: Does that potentially advantage Nikki Haley?
Speaker 5: I think the conventional wisdom and it does. And it's
Speaker 5: precisely because of those undeclared independent voters that are more
Speaker 5: traditional Republicans. They are there are a lot of sort
Speaker 5: of white collar professional suburbs in the lower tier of
Speaker 5: the state. They're they're really they're in New Hampshire, but
Speaker 5: you could really consider them suburbs of Boston's right, and
Speaker 5: they're within sort of long commuting distance, and those are
Speaker 5: are suburbs that Nikki Haley is gonna need a high
Speaker 5: turnout from if she's gonna pull any kind of an
Speaker 5: upset here.
Speaker 2: That's it's interesting when you consider it's sort of counterintuitive.
Speaker 2: People think of suburbs as being more moderate, more liberal,
Speaker 2: But these are folks who work in Boston and I
Speaker 2: have such an allergy to Massachusetts policy and taxes that
Speaker 2: they move just over the border here into New Hampshire.
Speaker 2: So while they may be functioning all day long in Massachusetts,
Speaker 2: they're going to decide likely who the next nominee is.
Speaker 2: That's advantage Nikki Haley.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, as Gregory said, this is really your
Speaker 4: traditional kind of country club type Republican. They're focused more
Speaker 4: on economic issues, low taxes, low regulation, but maybe a
Speaker 4: little bit more progressive on social issues. They are close
Speaker 4: to Massachusetts, but have either you know, self selected to
Speaker 4: live across the New Hampshire line, where taxes are lower
Speaker 4: and regulations are a little bit more free.
Speaker 6: You know, this is kind of where we see.
Speaker 4: The shifting Republican Party of you know, areas that used
Speaker 4: to be very strong for Republicans now you know, Nicki
Speaker 4: Haley still appealing, Donald Trump not so much, and areas
Speaker 4: like this that Biden won in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: We've got a lot of new polling out today, pick
Speaker 2: your poll. We could talk about it, but they all
Speaker 2: came before Ron DeSantis dropped out of the race. Gregory.
Speaker 2: The conventional wisdom there is those votes go to Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: Those people weren't about to vote for Nicki Haley, and
Speaker 2: the timing here might be very difficult for her.
Speaker 5: Well, keep in mind, it's only six or seven percent
Speaker 5: of the electorate that rond De Santas is pulling at,
Speaker 5: and so they there's three options for those voters left right.
Speaker 5: They can vote for Donald Trump, they can vote for
Speaker 5: Nicki Haley, or they can stay home. Or keep in mind, obviously,
Speaker 5: Ronda Santis, his name is still going to be on
Speaker 5: the ballot. I would expect, you know, maybe even one
Speaker 5: or two percent might stick with him at to send
Speaker 5: a message even though he's not on the ballot. He
Speaker 5: was at the stage where he wasn't going to get
Speaker 5: any delegates anyway. The delegates in New Hampshire are allocated proportionally,
Speaker 5: but you have to get at least ten percent of
Speaker 5: the vote to get any delegates, So those votes probably
Speaker 5: go mostly to Trump. That's the conventional wisdom that the
Speaker 5: issues are more aligned there. Dessanta said all along had
Speaker 5: been pitching himself as a Trump like Republican, a Maggi
Speaker 5: Republican but with a little less baggage. But some of
Speaker 5: them may also go to Nicky Haley, just because if
Speaker 5: you're gonna be for Trump, you've probably have been for
Speaker 5: Trump all along, and maybe you're looking for a non
Speaker 5: Trump alternative. But it's certainly not enough votes to make
Speaker 5: up the distance between Haley and Trump at this point.
Speaker 2: Well, here a bit later on from Governor Chris Snuna,
Speaker 2: who we spoke with before the broadcast. Laura, he's talking
Speaker 2: about a strong second, not actually winning this as I
Speaker 2: feel like we were hearing a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2: He says that they never made that promise, and I
Speaker 2: guess we can we can assume that that's the case
Speaker 2: for now. But even if she wins New Hampshire, what's
Speaker 2: the path when you see the deficit that she's got
Speaker 2: in her home state of South Carolina.
Speaker 6: It's a really tough path.
Speaker 4: And what you hear Snow saying about a strong second
Speaker 4: and this is all expectation setting right now, and you
Speaker 4: know there's still privately, you know, can be hoping for
Speaker 4: that first place win.
Speaker 6: But you know, if she comes.
Speaker 4: In, you know, a close second, can still you know,
Speaker 4: can publicly count that as a quote win.
Speaker 6: But it's tricky.
Speaker 4: Part of the theory of her case is that it's
Speaker 4: a month until South Carolina and that if she's able
Speaker 4: to come out of this with some momentum, she can
Speaker 4: use the Americans for prosperity money that a coke back money,
Speaker 4: to really build an operation in South Carolina to turn
Speaker 4: out the voters that she needs. It's a still a
Speaker 4: really difficult case to make when you just look at
Speaker 4: the deficit she has with Trump and just the electorate there.
Speaker 4: It's a lot more similar to Iowa, a lot more evangelical,
Speaker 4: and she doesn't have quite the same advantage that she
Speaker 4: does in New Hampshire, just.
Speaker 2: Saying something when that's your home state. But so it
Speaker 2: comes down to a case of momentum. That's the argument right, Gregory,
Speaker 2: and you've been in touch with the Haley campaign. They
Speaker 2: say that these numbers will change if she outperforms in
Speaker 2: New Hampshire. But that's feeling like a wing and a
Speaker 2: prayer at this point, isn't it.
Speaker 5: What has been remarkable to me about this entire campaign
Speaker 5: cycle is just how stable the race has been from
Speaker 5: the beginning. Trump's lead has seemed to be impenetrable even
Speaker 5: as other candidates have surged, and it's really Haley who
Speaker 5: has really had the momentum. As you say, Trump's numbers
Speaker 5: haven't budgement. They've always been low forties or high forties
Speaker 5: to low fifties in terms of the poll numbers, And
Speaker 5: that fifty percent line is a magic line. Even if
Speaker 5: you were to consolidate all the anti Trump support in
Speaker 5: the Republican Party, that means you still wouldn't get the
Speaker 5: numbers that you need to dislodge him from that purge.
Speaker 5: But yes, you're right. The Cayley case is that obviously
Speaker 5: Trump is better known, he's been president before. As voters
Speaker 5: get to know her in each of these early primary states,
Speaker 5: that will build upon each other, and she will more
Speaker 5: than likely do better in New Hampshire. Than she in Iowa.
Speaker 5: But then she's got to take the next step in
Speaker 5: South Carolina and do even better. And it's a tall
Speaker 5: called Hilda Kon.
Speaker 2: Had a lot to learn the next twenty four to
Speaker 2: forty eight hours. I'm glad you're with us. Gregory Cody,
Speaker 2: Laura Davison, Thank you. This is Bloomberg.
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Speaker 2: Where there's Smoke, There's Fire, The headline in the Union Leader,
Speaker 2: as this great old newspaper endorses Nicky Haley. On the
Speaker 2: Sunday before the primary, We're going to spend some time
Speaker 2: with the publisher of The Union Leader. As I read
Speaker 2: in the op ed, where there's smoke, there's fire, Nicki
Speaker 2: Haley is our choice for the twenty four first in
Speaker 2: the Nation primary, referring to Nicki Haley as an accountant
Speaker 2: by career and training, a mother, a military spouse, the
Speaker 2: child of immigrants, and one with the experience as a
Speaker 2: successful governor and diplomat. It's a pretty good story to
Speaker 2: tell if you're running for president. Brenda McQuaid thinks, so
Speaker 2: he wrote it. The New Hampshire Union Leader president publisher
Speaker 2: is with us here at the desk in New Hampshire.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having us in the Granite State. It's nice
Speaker 2: to see you.
Speaker 7: Thanks for being here.
Speaker 2: By all means for our viewers on YouTube. We've got
Speaker 2: the Union Leader here because we love newspapers at balance
Speaker 2: of power. When this dropped on Sunday morning, this has
Speaker 2: always been a big moment in the New Hampshire primary.
Speaker 2: People were already moving on. When I look at the
Speaker 2: last line of this op ed that you wrote, I'm
Speaker 2: compelled New Hampshire can prove you right that the independent
Speaker 2: minded voters of the Granite State will not be told
Speaker 2: the election is a done deal. I've been hearing this
Speaker 2: is over since I got here.
Speaker 7: We've been hearing that it's over for about a year
Speaker 7: and a half. That it was a set thing. It
Speaker 7: was going to be Trump Biden again. Yeah, that no
Speaker 7: one wanted it, but that's what was going to happen,
Speaker 7: and it seems like that may come to pass. Whatever
Speaker 7: people do. But our voters haven't had their say yet,
Speaker 7: and we think they deserve to.
Speaker 2: But fifty thousand people in Iowa essentially have brought us
Speaker 2: to this point.
Speaker 7: Possibly, But you know, Iowa is a state of things
Speaker 7: over three million people, and you're talking a tiny percentage
Speaker 7: of the four million people.
Speaker 2: Well that's right. Yeah, So the Secretary of State earlier
Speaker 2: this hour told us that we could see record turnout tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Is that possible in a when there's a sense of
Speaker 2: inevitability like this.
Speaker 7: It's certainly possible. We're encouraging people. I mean, I don't
Speaker 7: care if you like Trump, you want to write in Biden,
Speaker 7: you want to write in peace or ceasefire. We hope
Speaker 7: that people get out and vote and exercise. They're right,
Speaker 7: it's going to be a nice day tomorrow.
Speaker 2: So hopefully that you got weather on your side.
Speaker 7: Yeahowa, Yeah, but I don't know. So many candidates having
Speaker 7: dropped out before New Hampshire means that there's a potential
Speaker 7: that some of those folks who were excited about candidates
Speaker 7: might not turn out.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about your conversations with NICKI
Speaker 2: Haley and what brought you to this point. But were
Speaker 2: you disappointed that Ron de Santis bailed on the eve
Speaker 2: of the primary. His staff, from what I hear, actually
Speaker 2: thought he was here. They were manning events that never
Speaker 2: took place yesterday, and he was in Florida the whole time.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we were talking with his campaign up until last
Speaker 7: week about having him in to talk to you. He
Speaker 7: never sat down with you, He never sat down with us. No. No,
Speaker 7: he was running at Iowa heavy campaign, and I think
Speaker 7: that seems to be what showed him that it wasn't
Speaker 7: in the cards for him.
Speaker 2: It seems like such an easy box to check. You
Speaker 2: go to the union leaders, sit down for an ed board.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I mean we've we've never actually had an
Speaker 7: ed board. Common misconception. It's always been just sort of
Speaker 7: a group of us, but not a formal ed board,
Speaker 7: which is nice. We just sit down and have a conversation,
Speaker 7: but you have to show up and talk to the paper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nikki Haley did, she did. What was that meeting?
Speaker 8: Like?
Speaker 1: It was?
Speaker 7: It was very nice, you say, hey.
Speaker 2: We got one here, George. Was there a deliberation that follow.
Speaker 7: Oh, definitely a deliberation. Yeah, Because at that time there
Speaker 7: were more candidates in the race. We still had several
Speaker 7: other candidates who have since dropped out, and we were,
Speaker 7: you know, hoping to talk to more of them, but
Speaker 7: it was actually, uh, I think we had Chris Christy
Speaker 7: scheduled to come in Thursday morning and he dropped out
Speaker 7: Wednesday night.
Speaker 9: How about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so even Chris Christy didn't make it to the newsroom.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and we endorsed him in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was making a big New Hampshire player.
Speaker 2: In fact, that might be the first stop he made. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, I'm guessing not this time, but he did
Speaker 2: sit down with you in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 7: He did sit down with us in twenty sixteen, and
Speaker 7: he was the Donald Trump that we've all come to
Speaker 7: know over these past several years. You know, a lot
Speaker 7: of energy, a lot of a lot of bravado. That's
Speaker 7: who Donald Trump has always been. Yeah, but he wasn't
Speaker 7: the choice for us, and we didn't think he was
Speaker 7: the right choice for New Hampshire or the country.
Speaker 2: So then why Nicki Haley?
Speaker 7: Why Nicki Haley? Nicki Haley is the best candidate on
Speaker 7: paper and the best candidate in person that we've met
Speaker 7: in this cycle. She's got a ton of experience. She's
Speaker 7: a solid communicator, and she's most importantly to me, she's
Speaker 7: a candidate of nuance, which you're featured in some of
Speaker 7: the TV commercials from saw mister Trump that don't like nuance, right, Yeah,
Speaker 7: But I think that's important for a leader to have
Speaker 7: that nuance and to understand that everything's not black and white.
Speaker 2: It's interesting you mentioned that ad. They lifted part of
Speaker 2: our interview that was specific about raising the Social Security
Speaker 2: age or reforming right the benefit. Somehow she's the only
Speaker 2: candidate who went there. Was that part of your conversation.
Speaker 2: Did you have a sense that she had a plan
Speaker 2: to deal with entitlements?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 7: Yeah, She's going to a couple of places. Entitlements are
Speaker 7: definitely one of them, because that's part of one of
Speaker 7: the biggest issues facing this country, which is the debt
Speaker 7: and the deficit. But she's going there with that. She's
Speaker 7: going there with term limits, which is, you know, not
Speaker 7: a very popular thing among the folks in Congress that
Speaker 7: are all turning out to support various candidates. She goes
Speaker 7: there because you know, she understands that these things are important.
Speaker 2: She thinks can it's of a certain age should have
Speaker 2: a cognitive test, do you.
Speaker 7: I think maybe candidates of all age should have a
Speaker 7: cottony of the test. But yeah, I think that there's
Speaker 7: a I think it's a it's a good punchline for her,
Speaker 7: but I think it is a valid point that she
Speaker 7: is a candidate that was born in the Vietnam era
Speaker 7: and not the World War II era.
Speaker 2: It's a line from mirror endorsement. We cannot talk about
Speaker 2: Nicki Haley without addressing the elephant in the room, you say,
Speaker 2: and the rather old donkey hiding in the White House.
Speaker 2: I think I know who you're referring to, Nicki Haley.
Speaker 2: You right, is an opportunity to vote for a candidate
Speaker 2: rather than against those two. It's interesting. Were the other
Speaker 2: candidates all a protest vote?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 7: No, I think I think it's just that Nicki Haley
Speaker 7: is one that you can definitely support. Chris Christy built
Speaker 7: a lot of his campaign on anti Trump, which.
Speaker 2: Vote against Trump.
Speaker 7: Some of the folks loved him for yeah, and you know,
Speaker 7: I don't disagree with most of the things that he
Speaker 7: was saying about Trump. But Nikki Haley is running her
Speaker 7: own campaign. It's not an anti Trump campaign. And yes,
Speaker 7: it was Joe Biden. We were talking about who has
Speaker 7: moved from a basement campaign to a rose garden campaign,
Speaker 7: skipping New Hampshire entirely, which is just outrageous.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you went there. I talked to Annie
Speaker 2: Custer at this table the other day, and she's driving
Speaker 2: this right in campaign for the president of the United States.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's ever happened before that the
Speaker 2: president has to get it right in like this. Okay, Well,
Speaker 2: here we are, and I wonder how risky it is
Speaker 2: for him knowing that Dean Phillips is out there beating
Speaker 2: the drum every day. Could we be in a world
Speaker 2: where Joe Biden gets less than fifty percent.
Speaker 7: Yeah, or loses to a Dean Phillips that's actually here
Speaker 7: in the state and campaigning. Yeah, it's possible. They're trying
Speaker 7: to save him from the embarrassment. Our editorial today point
Speaker 7: out that he deserves to be embarrassed. He deserves to
Speaker 7: be embarrassed for what he's done to democracy in killing
Speaker 7: the New Hampshire primary on the Democratic side, but also
Speaker 7: the Iowa caucus. I don't know if you've ever experienced
Speaker 7: the Democratic Iowa caucus, but it was a thing of
Speaker 7: beauty to watch these neighbors go one on one and
Speaker 7: convince each other when their candidate didn't have enough support to.
Speaker 2: Join there crossing the gymnasium.
Speaker 7: No, no, it's it's a it's a you know, remote
Speaker 7: sort of ballot fill in and we'll we'll know later
Speaker 7: sometime and no one will care.
Speaker 2: Well, so this is interesting. You say that he's doing
Speaker 2: damage to democracy. He says that he's turning his attention
Speaker 2: to a more diverse field, that New Hampshire doesn't represent
Speaker 2: the nation in its makeup and it's demographics. How do
Speaker 2: you answer that?
Speaker 7: So I was discussing this with someone over the weekend.
Speaker 7: You know, if you look at New Hampshire, we're not
Speaker 7: a hugely racially diversed They.
Speaker 2: Say it's an old white state, let's say it out loud.
Speaker 7: But we are incredibly diverse in terms of politics, in
Speaker 7: terms of thought, in terms of demographics of people, income
Speaker 7: levels all over the place, education levels all over the place.
Speaker 7: And the thing that really helps in the primary is
Speaker 7: that we allow our undeclared voters to vote for either party.
Speaker 2: They can choose either ballot and that does that result
Speaker 2: in a surprise?
Speaker 7: I think it might those people are really hard to
Speaker 7: pin down. And I was talking to someone about the polls.
Speaker 7: You know, Oh, the polls, the polls. Yeah, New Hampshire
Speaker 7: people love to mess with polsters.
Speaker 2: It's sport.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm out of time, but I wonder your thoughts on
Speaker 2: an early call tomorrow. Is AP going to step in
Speaker 2: before people are done voting at eight o'clock?
Speaker 7: I don't know. I hope not. I know that that
Speaker 7: happened in Iowa, and I think that it's a disservice
Speaker 7: whenever any one does that. It's funny.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 7: They may call it for Donald Trump, who was a
Speaker 7: guest when that happened in twenty twenty against him, So
Speaker 7: it'll be interesting to see what happens this time.
Speaker 2: I'm really glad you came by to see us.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's important to be in New Hampshire
Speaker 2: and as long as this contest is going on, we'll
Speaker 2: be here for It's great to meet you in person.
Speaker 7: I'm glad you guys are here because many of your
Speaker 7: colleagues aren't.
Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, Well Bloomberg is on the ground and it's
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Speaker 2: From back to Manchester here in New Hampshire where we're
Speaker 2: waiting for actual voting to take place. I'm Joe Matthew.
Speaker 2: This is Balance of Power on the radio and on TV.
Speaker 2: We thank you for joining us, Kaylee, it's great moment.
Speaker 2: We're going to do this every day from now on
Speaker 2: through the cycle, not just hearing Manchester, New Hampshire, but
Speaker 2: also Washington, DC.
Speaker 6: And how lucky we are to have two hours of
Speaker 6: Balance of Power on both Bloomberg television and radio because
Speaker 6: it is a very important cycle. Even if it's one
Speaker 6: Joe that frankly, we might not have seen one like it,
Speaker 6: that's for sure. Considering we are now in the second
Speaker 6: contest state, the first in the nation primary, and we
Speaker 6: are having a very realistic conversation as to whether or
Speaker 6: not the primary race actually ends.
Speaker 2: Yes, come to Mark correct. The departure of Ron De
Speaker 2: Santis late yesterday, which caught even his own staff by surprise,
Speaker 2: has many folks wondering if this is already over, whether
Speaker 2: Nikki Haley will make it to her home state of
Speaker 2: South Carolina, where currently Donald Trump holds a commanding lead.
Speaker 6: And all of that to say that is with the
Speaker 6: support of perhaps the most powerful surrogate she could have
Speaker 6: in the state of New Hampshire, the Governor Christan Nunu,
Speaker 6: who isn't just someone who has endorsed her, but has
Speaker 6: been next to her on almost every single campaign stop
Speaker 6: she has made in recent days, has talked to people
Speaker 6: like us, really tried to be her surrogate. And he's
Speaker 6: very popular here in New Hampshire, and it may not
Speaker 6: prove to be enough.
Speaker 2: Not a fan of Donald Trump, he was going to
Speaker 2: work with the candidate he thought could defeat Trump here
Speaker 2: the most sought after endorsement in New Hampshire, and we
Speaker 2: sat down with him for an important conversation here, Kaylee.
Speaker 2: A pretty remarkable moment to hear from the governor who's
Speaker 2: looking at the very same polls that we are, who
Speaker 2: knows when we'll climb this will be for his candidate.
Speaker 2: We sat down here at the table to spend time
Speaker 2: now with Governor Christen n Inu. Let's listen, mine, Iowa
Speaker 2: picks corn, new Hampshire picks President.
Speaker 9: I know someone who heard that before you do.
Speaker 2: With that said, will New Hampshire pick the next president
Speaker 2: of the United States?
Speaker 9: Oh? I hope, So, I hope.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 9: Look, obviously I'm one hundred and ten percent behind Nikki.
Speaker 9: She's the one that's earning it on the ground. She's
Speaker 9: the one with all the momentum. You know, Trump has
Speaker 9: his numbers, he's effectively the incumbent, but his numbers have
Speaker 9: been really stagnant. Nicki's the one that's been surging. She
Speaker 9: had a very good showing in Iowa right now, the
Speaker 9: I think she just has to show that she's building
Speaker 9: on that here. If she can win, that be amazing, Right.
Speaker 9: It doesn't have to happen carry that kind of momentum
Speaker 9: into South Carolina into her home state with three or
Speaker 9: four weeks or something like that before the South Carolina
Speaker 9: primary even happens, and she obviously has a huge record
Speaker 9: of success running there. So no, I'm very hopeful that
Speaker 9: this is just this momentum is going to continue to
Speaker 9: build as we get into Super Tuesday.
Speaker 6: But She's currently farther behind the former president in South
Speaker 6: Carolina than she is here in New Hampshire. So if
Speaker 6: she can't win here, how could she win there?
Speaker 9: Well, it was campaigned in South Carolina yet, right, so
Speaker 9: that should be expected. He's the incumbent. She hasn't been
Speaker 9: there and has it really put a campaign on the
Speaker 9: ground there. I mean a little bit here and there.
Speaker 9: But it's Trump versus Haley. It is, so no one,
Speaker 9: no one should be surprised because the conversation isn't happening
Speaker 9: on the ground there. As the conversation happened in Iowa,
Speaker 9: her number sorts, as the conversations happening in New Hampshire,
Speaker 9: her numbers sore. And as the conversation is going to
Speaker 9: happen in South Carolina, the sky's the limit for the
Speaker 9: former governor.
Speaker 2: So winning New Hampshire is not necessarily required to.
Speaker 9: No, definitely, were we saying back in November December that
Speaker 9: New Hampshire was an absolute win. Had to be an
Speaker 9: absolute win for someone other than Trump. No, No one's
Speaker 9: been ever been so that. I mean recently. Trump's trying
Speaker 9: to build that narrative effectively, but because he just wants
Speaker 9: to knock everyone out. But Nicki is the one that
Speaker 9: has knocked all these other candidates out of the race.
Speaker 2: Well, you have said though a strong second could be
Speaker 2: in the offing. What does that look like to find
Speaker 2: a strong second?
Speaker 9: You know, I think again, just showing a I think
Speaker 9: stronger performance than was in Iowa. That's the most important piece, right,
Speaker 9: and having less candidates in the race and defining it
Speaker 9: as a one on one race. But over the last
Speaker 9: few days, again with the moment and with the fact
Speaker 9: that she's doing the grassroots campaigning, she's going all across
Speaker 9: the stage, She's engaging with voters every which way. Trump
Speaker 9: flies in, does a rally they're not even very big
Speaker 9: rallies actually, and then flies out of here. So he's
Speaker 9: kind of taking advantage of his role as the standard bearer,
Speaker 9: if you will, of the party for the last seven years.
Speaker 9: But she's the one that's earning it. And again her
Speaker 9: numbers are soaring and his are stagnant.
Speaker 6: Well, but his numbers are roughly in the ballpark of
Speaker 6: about half of voters. He had more than half in Iowa,
Speaker 6: and he was pulling around half of voters in New Hampshire,
Speaker 6: the same ones that voted you into office on multiple occasions.
Speaker 6: If it's the Conservatives in Iowa and moderates and independence
Speaker 6: in New Hampshire and she can't get enough of either,
Speaker 6: what is the demographic that is supposed to elect her
Speaker 6: as president of the United States.
Speaker 9: Well, again, let's let's start here. I magine if you're
Speaker 9: the former president and your own party, you can barely
Speaker 9: get fifty percent of the vote. That's why Trump's in trouble, right.
Speaker 9: So now that you have somebody new on the scene,
Speaker 9: kind of building that kind of momentum is huge. And
Speaker 9: the key is that it's a one on one race.
Speaker 9: So if Trump can barely hold fifty percent or keep
Speaker 9: them under fifty percent in a one on one race, well,
Speaker 9: the mass says that there's fifty one percent to Nikki Haley,
Speaker 9: and that's what you need to win a state. Now.
Speaker 9: I don't think any of these early states are must
Speaker 9: wins for Hailey. I don't think that's ever been the case.
Speaker 9: They're possible, but they're not must wins. I think when
Speaker 9: you get to Super Tuesday, okay, now you really have
Speaker 9: to start winning states, obviously, but as long as she
Speaker 9: keeps building on that momentum, I think there's a lot
Speaker 9: of opportunity. She has money, she has resources, she has
Speaker 9: you know, knows how to win in New Hampshire, knows
Speaker 9: how to win in South Carolina. So all the wind
Speaker 9: is at her back.
Speaker 2: Any Custer set in this chair a short time go
Speaker 2: and said, we want you to write in Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: There's a write in campaign for the President of the
Speaker 2: Created States, which is remarkable. But she said, if not
Speaker 2: vote for Nicky, just don't vote for Trump. When you
Speaker 2: have a Democrat talking like this and Donald Trump across
Speaker 2: the streets saying Democrats are infiltrating the process here to
Speaker 2: vote for.
Speaker 9: Democrats cannot vote Democrats cannot they vote, Well, you say,
Speaker 9: of course I had other stations. I mean, you guys
Speaker 9: get it, But I had other stations being like talking
Speaker 9: about democrats vote. Democrats are not voting in the Republican shrimery.
Speaker 2: But this idea that Democrat leaning independents are going to
Speaker 2: make a difference here in New Hampshire, and there aren't
Speaker 2: enough New Hampshires to keep doing that across the country.
Speaker 9: Well, independents have always been able to vote in as
Speaker 9: vote Democrat and Republican, and they're not independence in New Hampshire.
Speaker 9: The're undeclared, so you could have hard Trump supporters and
Speaker 9: hard Bernie Sanders socialists within the undeclared spectrum. This year,
Speaker 9: they're more likely to play on the Republican side because
Speaker 9: there's no nobody cares about the Democrats side. So that's all.
Speaker 9: So you're just going to see a lot more fun
Speaker 9: explay there. And they tend to want change, that's it.
Speaker 9: They want the next new thing, they want the like
Speaker 9: there's the Republicans that are within that independent group really
Speaker 9: are Republicans, right, they understand Trump doesn't carry Republican values.
Speaker 9: Was he fiscally conservative? No, he had tax cuts that
Speaker 9: supposedly helped the economy, but then vote seven trillion dollars
Speaker 9: to do it. That's like saying to your family, Hey,
Speaker 9: look at this wonderful new house we're living in, and
Speaker 9: you just paid for it on a credit card. Right,
Speaker 9: it's a falsehood. He doesn't believe in limited government, he
Speaker 9: believes in this kind of dictatorship. He doesn't believe in
Speaker 9: local control. He believes in Washington. So those are not
Speaker 9: Republican values. So I think a lot of the Republicans
Speaker 9: within that undeclared and those Conservatives are very much coming
Speaker 9: over to Nikky side.
Speaker 6: Would it be fair Governor to say the Republican party
Speaker 6: that Trump represents is not your Republican party, not the
Speaker 6: Republican party of your father?
Speaker 9: Put it, well, put it this way. I saw a
Speaker 9: bumper stick or the other that says, I don't vote Republican,
Speaker 9: I just vote Trump. He's his own entity. He doesn't
Speaker 9: define the Republican party at all.
Speaker 6: But you have said because he if he were to
Speaker 6: be the Republican nominee, and because you are a Republican,
Speaker 6: you would support Yeah, think most people.
Speaker 9: That shouldn't surprise anybody.
Speaker 6: Yeah, even though he don't think he actually carries the
Speaker 6: values of.
Speaker 9: The Republican Well, look, Biden, that's how bad Joe Biden is.
Speaker 9: I mean I always say that. I mean, this is
Speaker 9: what what has happened with inflation and all of that.
Speaker 9: The one thing I suppose that I'm hopeful again, I'm
Speaker 9: hopeful it's Nikki. I think she can do it. Any
Speaker 9: Republican would build a much better team than Joe Biden.
Speaker 9: I mean the team that Joe Biden has put in there,
Speaker 9: and with the rules and the regulations that are just
Speaker 9: crushing families. They're just crushing local locals and state governments,
Speaker 9: and nothing can be developed, nothing can be built, nothing
Speaker 9: can move forward. So no, look, I'm excited about Nikki
Speaker 9: Haley being the nominee. That's why we're here in New Hampshire.
Speaker 9: This is where I don't want to say it can
Speaker 9: it all turns around, because she's already made the turnaround, right,
Speaker 9: It's already gone from thirteen candidates to a one on
Speaker 9: one race that in itself is amazing. This is where
Speaker 9: again she just keeps adding kind of gasoline to that
Speaker 9: fire and keeps driving forward.
Speaker 2: You talk about Trump team building. Of course, most of
Speaker 2: Trump's team has come out against him following the administration,
Speaker 2: many of them. Yeah, But so you know the quality
Speaker 2: of a team might only be as strong as long
Speaker 2: as you can keep it together. But I want to
Speaker 2: hear the argument, though, you're prepared to vote for Donald
Speaker 2: Trump if it's a Trump Biden election, you've made the polls.
Speaker 9: You know most of America would. I mean, he beats bile,
Speaker 9: but barely might.
Speaker 2: Keep that from happening. Why is Nicki Hayley, Let's talk
Speaker 2: about your candidate better for New Hampshire than Donald Trump?
Speaker 9: So in the latest polls, Trump New Hampshire hasn't gone
Speaker 9: Republican in the general election about twenty years. And then
Speaker 9: the latest polls show that Trump gets crushed in New
Speaker 9: Hampshire against Biden. Nicky wins. Right, Nikki allows the Republicans
Speaker 9: in New Hampshire to win this state again in November,
Speaker 9: and that would happen in a lot of states across
Speaker 9: the country. So at the end of the day, you know,
Speaker 9: we can disagree on a policy here or there, but
Speaker 9: you got to win. You can't govern if you don't win.
Speaker 9: And Nicki not just beats Biden here in New Hampshire,
Speaker 9: but would beat him across the country.
Speaker 2: Interestingly, you didn't reach for a policy, you just want
Speaker 2: to pick a winner as your point.
Speaker 9: Well, because you know what Nicki does. She makes sure
Speaker 9: that as I leave, we're going to get a Republican governor.
Speaker 9: And we're in Manchester right now they should have a
Speaker 9: Republican congressman. We haven't been able to win the seat,
Speaker 9: even though it's more Republican leaning. So because of that
Speaker 9: Trump brand, we've lost in twenty eighteen and twenty twenty
Speaker 9: and twenty twenty two. I'm so tired of losing, and
Speaker 9: I'm tired of losers, and I think we're just tired
Speaker 9: of that brand that just drags the rest of the
Speaker 9: Republican Party down. Right, what's the point of scraping out
Speaker 9: a winning the presidency if you lose everything else, like
Speaker 9: he has time and time and time again. So you know,
Speaker 9: I want Republicans to win across the board, NICKI allows us.
Speaker 10: To do that.
Speaker 6: So do you think ultimately the biggest differentiator for you
Speaker 6: between the former president and governor Ambassador Haley is not
Speaker 6: necessarily their policy differences, but their ability to execute on it.
Speaker 9: You've hit it, so, Nicki, when you're a governor, you
Speaker 9: don't get away with trying something and it doesn't happen
Speaker 9: all and you just let it go. Healthcare reform didn't happen.
Speaker 9: Securing the border and building the wall didn't happen, two
Speaker 9: of his biggest promises, right, being physically responsible didn't happen,
Speaker 9: you know, Decentralizing government, allowing states to have more control
Speaker 9: didn't happen. So, NICKI, as a governor, you're always held accountable.
Speaker 9: This is a twenty four to seven job for us.
Speaker 9: She goes in with that mentality, and you know, she's
Speaker 9: going to ma the Senate. She's going to demand accountability,
Speaker 9: she's going to demand a balanced budget. Right, she's going
Speaker 9: to demand that government at its core level just read
Speaker 9: up to live up to its most basic expectations of
Speaker 9: getting something done and moving the ball forward. And she
Speaker 9: carries those conservative ideals to actually get it done. It's
Speaker 9: pretty cool.
Speaker 2: We're closing argument though, is that Donald Trump is a bully,
Speaker 2: he's too old, he's not cognitively well.
Speaker 9: That starts, we could be here all day, We'll bring
Speaker 9: the chaos.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but to think that you would vote for him
Speaker 2: as the nominee, knowing that you'd be inviting all of
Speaker 2: that back says a lot about work.
Speaker 9: But remember, if you don't in a binary race, if
Speaker 9: you don't vote for one, you're voting for the other.
Speaker 9: And I ain't voting for Joe Biden. I don't think
Speaker 9: anyone wants Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: Joe Biden is that much worse than the chaos and
Speaker 2: the bullying that you framed those is what you're saying.
Speaker 9: Joe Biden, get Joe Biden has to be let off
Speaker 9: a stage by his hand. God bless the guy. He's
Speaker 9: not there. There's no management there's no sense of control,
Speaker 9: there's no sense of any of this at all.
Speaker 6: So you and you think it's about potentially the future
Speaker 6: team that Trump administration, a second Trump administration could build.
Speaker 6: Should Nicki Haley be part of that team? Do you
Speaker 6: think it would be likely?
Speaker 9: Look, I'm just focused on Nicki Haley winning the primary
Speaker 9: right now. I mean, really, what Nikki wants to do
Speaker 9: in a future she could do anything. I mean, she's
Speaker 9: that amazing in that qualifying. The focus right now is
Speaker 9: showing America that Republicans are looking at an alternative. They
Speaker 9: might not want an alternative out of Biden. That's going
Speaker 9: to be a problem for Democrats. But on the Republican side,
Speaker 9: we're actually giving a shot here. We're not just saying
Speaker 9: it's a fait to complete for Donald Trump. Nikki surging,
Speaker 9: a lot of folks are galvanizing behind her. We're gonna
Speaker 9: have record turnout here. I mean, think about Iowa right
Speaker 9: when people say, well, I guess I guess it's over,
Speaker 9: because fifty six thousand people in Iowa voted for Trump.
Speaker 9: That's like two percent of the population. Fifty six thousand
Speaker 9: people are going to determine the pick of the Republican
Speaker 9: nomination in America. I don't think so, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 9: So you gotta let this thing play out. I know
Speaker 9: the media just wants to call it. It's a good
Speaker 9: talking point, but you gotta let this thing play out
Speaker 9: and make sure that the voters, not the media, not me,
Speaker 9: not Niki, but the voters. That's democracy. Let them go
Speaker 9: to the polls and decide what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: I wonder if the party he's trying to call this though,
Speaker 2: that Tim Scott endorsement. I realize endorsements don't mean a
Speaker 2: lot to a lot of people, but now timing was significant.
Speaker 1: He could have waited for that.
Speaker 2: Nobody cares about timso South Carolina, nobody cares about Tim Scott.
Speaker 6: Nicki Haley doesn't care about Tim Scott. She pointed him
Speaker 6: to the Senate.
Speaker 9: That's right, and that's why the endorsement right. So Tim
Speaker 9: Scott wouldn't be a senator without Nicki Eily. That's why
Speaker 9: what he did was so disrespectful. Again, why because the
Speaker 9: senator doesn't want to be held accountable. Nicky's gonna hold
Speaker 9: government accountable. That's an amazing opportunity for America. Trump didn't
Speaker 9: do any of that, right, So you know, I found it.
Speaker 9: I found the whole thing. You know, pretty disrespectful, but
Speaker 9: nobody really cares. He's a senator.
Speaker 2: How about your future. You're happy you didn't run, and
Speaker 2: by that I mean for president and Senate. You made
Speaker 2: that pretty clear. Look at what's going on there now
Speaker 2: you could be in the middle of that. What's next
Speaker 2: for you?
Speaker 11: Though?
Speaker 9: I don't know one thing. Let me go back to
Speaker 9: NICKI a little bit. One thing Nicky and I both
Speaker 9: agree with.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 9: Really, it's public service, not a public career. Right. She
Speaker 9: wants term limits and again we don't have turmlit's in
Speaker 9: New Hampshire, but you self impose them. You gotta do
Speaker 9: the right thing. So you serve your state, or you
Speaker 9: serve your government, or you serve your community the best
Speaker 9: you can. And then you get back to you getting.
Speaker 2: Back in the private sector. You'll have an issues campaign
Speaker 2: that you might follow.
Speaker 9: No, no, no, I'm just looking forward to get back
Speaker 9: into the private sector. And that's what everybody should do. Service.
Speaker 9: Getting to get back to the private sector. You let
Speaker 9: new ideas and a new generation move forward.
Speaker 6: But you're not taking twenty twenty eight fully off the
Speaker 6: table for myself.
Speaker 9: No, I'm not running for anything in I have no plans. No, okay, yeah, sorry, sorry,
Speaker 9: don't mean to let you. I'll still be on here
Speaker 9: if you guys, maybe in a year, I'll send you
Speaker 9: a resume.
Speaker 2: That sure, we'll take it up with youme. You're you
Speaker 2: think she's going to be the next president.
Speaker 9: Oh that would be awesome. I mean it would be awesome.
Speaker 2: And she can see too, of course.
Speaker 9: I'm open to I'm open to everything. Look, I do
Speaker 9: have a twenty four to seven job. I mean I
Speaker 9: literally am governor as we're sitting here, and I will
Speaker 9: be governed for the next year. But there's there's a
Speaker 9: lot on the tape. I'm a business guy. I'm an
Speaker 9: economics guy. You know, I love that kind of stuff.
Speaker 9: I love helping businesses. I think businesses get way too
Speaker 9: involved in politics and that sort of thing. And and
Speaker 9: you know, I'm a big believer when you're selling a product,
Speaker 9: focused on selling the product, don't get involved in the
Speaker 9: political wocaus them and all that kind of garbage. So
Speaker 9: we've helped a few companies here and there with that time.
Speaker 6: Well, governor, we do Business and Economics center as well.
Speaker 6: That's kind of our thing here at Bloomberg. And if
Speaker 6: you actually look at the economic data, if you look
Speaker 6: at how businesses are faring, you have the stock market
Speaker 6: at a record high, you have inflation on a downward trajectory,
Speaker 6: growth in the labor market still hanging in there. And
Speaker 6: I know you don't think that the Biden administration has
Speaker 6: been particularly successful, but is that not something that a
Speaker 6: future president and President Haley would want to replicate?
Speaker 9: The most important, the most important data points are families.
Speaker 9: Let's look at national credit card debt. Let's look at
Speaker 9: what everybody owes right, the spending that has gone on,
Speaker 9: not just with the government, now with personal spending, and
Speaker 9: the fact that inflation is crushing folks, and this whole
Speaker 9: idea that the Fed is coming out and get a
Speaker 9: lower rates. I'm telling you the piper has to be
Speaker 9: paid at some point. I think we are in turn
Speaker 9: for in store for an economic downturn. That's why I
Speaker 9: want an accountant like Nikki Haley to be President of
Speaker 9: the United States, because you need someone that can manage
Speaker 9: and understands these things at a fundamental issue. Donald Trump's
Speaker 9: an economic policy is I'll just keep borrowing money and
Speaker 9: you guys will have to pay it back sometime to
Speaker 9: keep everything floating, and everyone gives them a pass on that.
Speaker 9: But at the end of the day, if you look
Speaker 9: at housing prices, if you look at the workforce issues
Speaker 9: that are happening across the country, limited services that are happening,
Speaker 9: the record high credit card debt, the fact that people
Speaker 9: are still struggling to put fuel in their homes, the
Speaker 9: fact that we're not energy dominant, which we should be.
Speaker 9: In Niki wants System one, bring it there.
Speaker 6: Pumped a record amount of oil lash year, but.
Speaker 9: We're not keeping up with what is needed. Yeah, you
Speaker 9: can pump a record them out, but again, if you're
Speaker 9: not keeping up with with what is needed, you have
Speaker 9: supply chain issues that creates energy at the heart is
Speaker 9: at the heart of inflation. Inflation is created by one thing, right,
Speaker 9: government prints and borrows too much money. That's it, that's all.
Speaker 9: It causes inflation. But the second biggest issue around that
Speaker 9: is energy. We could be energy dominant, which allows products
Speaker 9: to go from A to B much quicker, parks to
Speaker 9: be created a lot cheaper, and at the end of
Speaker 9: the day, inflation is the worst tax on low income
Speaker 9: families you can imagine because a wealthy family can handle inflation.
Speaker 9: I might pinch us a little bit, but we'll be okay.
Speaker 9: Low income families are getting crushed. They can't take their
Speaker 9: family to McDonald's for less than thirty five bucks. That's crazy.
Speaker 9: That is absolutely crazy. So it's those on the ground issues.
Speaker 9: Stock market Okay, fine, that could be inflated, whatever it
Speaker 9: might be. These kind of big ticket items that might
Speaker 9: be talked about the press, But go out there and
Speaker 9: talk to these families. They can't find housing. They're getting
Speaker 9: because you can't build it. Why because it costs so
Speaker 9: much just to build housing, and when you do, it's
Speaker 9: twenty five hundred dollars a month for a one bedroom apartment.
Speaker 9: These are the kitchen table issues. Childcare. Nikki was at
Speaker 9: a childcare center this past week. Families can barely afford childcare,
Speaker 9: and one of the reasons is we can't find childcare workers.
Speaker 9: So again, you got to have the education system to
Speaker 9: create the infrastructure fuel for all these issues. So you
Speaker 9: can talk about big ticket items here, but what's happening
Speaker 9: on the ground in America right now is very very different.
Speaker 2: I know you've got a lot of families figuring out
Speaker 2: when to fill up the oil tank right now, right
Speaker 2: here in the Amy's outside this morning. It's a very
Speaker 2: real thing.
Speaker 9: People on fixed income. You know, let's talk about the
Speaker 9: Social security issue. Social Security is going bankrupt law. There
Speaker 9: is a twenty two twenty three percent cut and benefits
Speaker 9: coming in about ten years. That's in the law. Trump
Speaker 9: says that we'll do nothing to stop it. Right, I'm
Speaker 9: not going to stop it. Nicki's the only one that
Speaker 9: has a way to stop the benefits from being cut
Speaker 9: and allowing everyone to keep the benefits that they've been promised.
Speaker 9: But she's the only one willing to engage on that issue.
Speaker 9: That's a huge issue. If you're a senior, you should
Speaker 9: be scared to death that.
Speaker 2: Donald tell I'm going to let you mention that, because
Speaker 2: there's an ad running that the Trump campaign has that's
Speaker 2: got my face in it talking to Nicki Haley about
Speaker 2: social Security. It's remarkable. The claims in the ad go
Speaker 2: far beyond what she said. This is a big deal
Speaker 2: for an aging population New Hampshire, never mind the rest
Speaker 2: of the country. Does she need to put a finer
Speaker 2: point on that policy and say this will be the
Speaker 2: age and this is what we're going to tell twenty
Speaker 2: one year olds or twenty year olds when it comes
Speaker 2: time for them to start.
Speaker 12: Sure.
Speaker 9: So look, I think she's been talking about it. I
Speaker 9: think again the Trump adds and all the negativity and
Speaker 9: the lies and everything. He just says whatever he wants
Speaker 9: to say, just to bash on Nikki. But at the
Speaker 9: end of the day, it's his complacency on Social Security
Speaker 9: that allows it to go bankrupt. He's effectively acknowledged it
Speaker 9: and that cut is coming. And again, if you're a senior,
Speaker 9: you should be scared to death that you'd be potentially
Speaker 9: getting behind Donald Trump when he says the cuts come in,
Speaker 9: there's nothing you can do about it.
Speaker 2: He has that in common with Joe Biden, doesn't That's right, there.
Speaker 9: Were both nobody both fans. But it is going backrupt.
Speaker 9: This isn't like, oh it might it might not. It
Speaker 9: is going bankrupt, that cuts are coming. Someone like Nikki
Speaker 9: Haley has to get in there to show how to
Speaker 9: maintain those benefits, maintain those services for the elderly, and
Speaker 9: again allow the system to be solvent. Once again, it
Speaker 9: can be done. It's just good math. And again it's
Speaker 9: also holding Congress accountable so they do their job as well.
Speaker 2: Maybe you should have run. You could have brought that issue.
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Speaker 9: There, Killie.
Speaker 2: We covered a lot of ground in a conversation that
Speaker 2: you're not going to hear anywhere else, which is why
Speaker 2: it was featured today in the Boston Globe and the
Speaker 2: New York Times. Really fascinating to try to get inside
Speaker 2: his head and understand his real expectations. I don't know
Speaker 2: how you quantify a strong second.
Speaker 6: He didn't seem to want to get specific with what
Speaker 6: a strong second would mean either. I just thought it
Speaker 6: was so interesting to hear him tell us after all
Speaker 6: of the hype about New Hampshire being Nicki Hayley's best
Speaker 6: chance to upset the front runner, to say that she
Speaker 6: doesn't have to win here.
Speaker 2: Isn't that something?
Speaker 6: And I just wonder if that is an argument that
Speaker 6: Rick and Jeanie Yeah, also.
Speaker 2: By Yeah let's bring the panel back and Rick Davis
Speaker 2: and Jeanie Sanzano with us at the table here. What's
Speaker 2: your thought on that? Genie really really gaming expectations now,
Speaker 2: although it's hard to even really figure out, as we
Speaker 2: just heard, where the governor sets the bar.
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's right. He I was just thinking watching your interview. Gosh,
Speaker 10: remember when we thought he might run, and that is
Speaker 10: an example as to why.
Speaker 6: So many repplicants.
Speaker 10: Yeah, he's glad he didn't. I think some Republicans wish
Speaker 10: he did. You know, it is so it is so hard.
Speaker 10: I think looking at those polls, he wants to lower
Speaker 10: expectations so that she can at least meet them. You know,
Speaker 10: I've heard people say everything from three to seven points
Speaker 10: she can lose by. But you know, my view has
Speaker 10: always been winning New Hampshire is losing for Nicki Haley
Speaker 10: because Donald Trump has successfully, I think made her the
Speaker 10: poster child of the never trumpers.
Speaker 2: He talks about her.
Speaker 10: As the candidate of globalists, the candidates of the media,
Speaker 10: the candidate of the Democrats. A vote for her as
Speaker 10: a vote for Joe Biden. So even if she was to,
Speaker 10: you know, just beat expectations and win he is going
Speaker 10: to make it really, really difficult for her to go
Speaker 10: down to South Carolina with those demographics and to really
Speaker 10: push this thing up.
Speaker 6: So, Rick, is this a lose lose situation for Nicki Haley?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 8: I think she could only win, right. I mean, look,
Speaker 8: she's got it down to a two person rates. There
Speaker 8: is a ticket out of New Hampshire regardless if you
Speaker 8: beat Donald Trump. And remember he's won one caucus with
Speaker 8: fifty thousand people. That does not speak for the entire
Speaker 8: Republican Party, including independence and non alliance who do participate
Speaker 8: as Republicans here in New Hampshire. And so the thing
Speaker 8: that I always get a kick out of is Donald
Speaker 8: Trump makes a big deal about this issue of Nikki
Speaker 8: having independent support here, but he does too. Yes, thirty
Speaker 8: eight percent of his ballot, that fifty percent is contributed
Speaker 8: by thirty eight percent independent voters. So it's look, these
Speaker 8: are the rules of the road. Everybody knows it when
Speaker 8: they sign in to run here, and it's historically always
Speaker 8: been a factor as much as forty percent maybe more
Speaker 8: this time of the vote tomorrow will be these unaligned
Speaker 8: voters who become Republicans at least for the day and
Speaker 8: that's what a good recruiting mechanism.
Speaker 2: Just quickly, we're going to hear from Congressoman any Custer
Speaker 2: in just a moment. Genie's talking about lowering expectations. You've
Speaker 2: been part of this. Is that what you do on
Speaker 2: the eve of her winning, you try to make this
Speaker 2: look like a bigger deal than it would be otherwise.
Speaker 2: Do they think they're going to win and they're telling
Speaker 2: us a strong second.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's great participation in both the media and the
Speaker 8: campaigns on expectation.
Speaker 9: Media want to create high expectations.
Speaker 8: Look at you got to really knock the ball over
Speaker 8: the fence, right, No, I can get on second base
Speaker 8: and that's a win for me.
Speaker 2: So yeah, is there a lot yes work in the reft. Okay,
Speaker 2: We're going to stick with Rick and Jeanie because I
Speaker 2: want to hear from you what the Democrats are doing
Speaker 2: or not doing. We haven't even mentioned Dean Phillips yet.
Speaker 2: And it's a conversation we had with Congresswoman Any Custer,
Speaker 2: Democrat here in New Hampshire from the second district, who's
Speaker 2: driving a write in campaign for the president. After the
Speaker 2: DNC got in this confused mess as the President put
Speaker 2: South Carolina ahead in the line. Here's Congresswoman any Custer.
Speaker 12: We want to make sure that when voters turn out
Speaker 12: on Tuesday, that they know they can write in Joe
Speaker 12: Biden's name. Just go to the bottom of the ballot. Luckily,
Speaker 12: it's easy to spell, and they can vote for Joe
Speaker 12: Biden in the first presidential primary here in New Hampshire.
Speaker 2: Are you setting expectations on a turnout for Joe Biden?
Speaker 2: Do you need to reach a certain threshold? What if
Speaker 2: he gets sixty percent? Is that a bad look?
Speaker 12: Well, here's the thing. I want to make sure he wins.
Speaker 12: But I think it's going to be impressive, and I
Speaker 12: think it's going to send him into the next contests
Speaker 12: and into this primary season with a strong foundation. I
Speaker 12: want to make sure that people understand we support Joe
Speaker 12: Biden for a second term. We're proud of the work
Speaker 12: that he's done domestically, and we're very grateful for his
Speaker 12: leadership on the world stage.
Speaker 2: So you're making a statement here. Your delegates must be frustrated, though.
Speaker 2: Will you make an effort to recognize your delegates at
Speaker 2: the convention when Democrats meet later this year.
Speaker 12: Sure, I think if it goes well, on Tuesday. That
Speaker 12: won't be any problem at all. We've been through this before.
Speaker 12: Other contests have about whether their delegates will be seated.
Speaker 12: Look most New Hampshire voters and even the most engaged
Speaker 12: people who have been through many, many campaigns. I've been
Speaker 12: doing this since I was sixteen years old. We're not
Speaker 12: hung up on delegate selection and all of that. We
Speaker 12: want to make sure that the voters are heard.
Speaker 2: And part of the.
Speaker 12: History of the New Hampshire Primary is that it came
Speaker 12: into being so that voters could speak directly on their
Speaker 12: preference for president and not have these decisions be made
Speaker 12: in backdoor business rooms where you know, pundits get together
Speaker 12: and make these choices.
Speaker 2: Would have been nice for the president to make a visit,
Speaker 2: maybe hold a rally or something.
Speaker 9: Wouldn't that well, I have to laugh.
Speaker 12: We've had I think we're up to ten cabinet visits
Speaker 12: in the last month or so for last week, so
Speaker 12: I think they're here in spirit.
Speaker 2: So that's what you're trying to accomplish. What's Dean Phillips
Speaker 2: trying to accomplish? Have you spoken to him as he
Speaker 2: asked you for your support?
Speaker 12: He's asked me for my advice. I told him I
Speaker 12: thought it was ill advised, not well timed. He got
Speaker 12: in on literally the very last day, and frankly, and
Speaker 12: I mean this kindly, I think it's unimpressive in terms
Speaker 12: of the campaign that he put together. As I said,
Speaker 12: I've been doing this for fifty years. I've seen what
Speaker 12: it takes. I was in on the ground floor with
Speaker 12: Joe bi with Barack Obama. He used to say, I
Speaker 12: was on board before Michelle was on board. And I've
Speaker 12: seen what it looks like to do dozens of house
Speaker 12: parties and town hall meetings and build that grassroots campaign
Speaker 12: that's going to deliver the vote on Tuesday.
Speaker 2: He says he grew up here, even though how to
Speaker 2: shoot guns as a kid in New Hampshire. What doesn't
Speaker 2: he understand about the Granite State.
Speaker 12: I don't think he understands much. I think that what
Speaker 12: he's missing is that, like other parts of the country,
Speaker 12: we care to learn and vet a candidate, and he
Speaker 12: really hasn't put in the time or built the support.
Speaker 12: We turn to our friends, our neighbors, our colleagues to
Speaker 12: see who who is getting support. You're watching this now
Speaker 12: on the Republican side with Nikki Haley with our Governor
Speaker 12: Chris Sanunu. We care a lot about who are the
Speaker 12: surrogates that are getting behind these candidates, and I don't
Speaker 12: think he's built the support that would be a substantial campaign,
Speaker 12: a serious campaign.
Speaker 2: Some of you heard Donald Trump last night. He says
Speaker 2: Democrats are going to vote in this primary to infiltrate
Speaker 2: the process. That is, of course not possible. Not to
Speaker 2: do you wish he was right?
Speaker 12: Well, look, I think there are many undeclared voters we
Speaker 12: call them here in New Hampshire. They're not registered Democrat
Speaker 12: or Republican. They're making the decision right now whether to
Speaker 12: take a Democratic ballot and write in Joe Biden or
Speaker 12: whether to take a Republican ballot and vote for Nicki Haley.
Speaker 12: But the message that they're delivering is the same. On Tuesday,
Speaker 12: New Hampshire voters do not want Donald Trump to have
Speaker 12: a second term. They think that he's not fit to
Speaker 12: be the president United States.
Speaker 2: Again, that's fascinating. So you're comfortable with people doing either
Speaker 2: as long as I think.
Speaker 12: People should do what they feel most comfortable doing. I
Speaker 12: voted for Joe Biden, and I'm encouraging people to support
Speaker 12: Joe Biden for a second term. But there will be
Speaker 12: people who will choose to vote in the Republican primary
Speaker 12: to deliver that message, that anti Trump message by voting
Speaker 12: for Nikki Haley. And you know, one part of this
Speaker 12: story that they understand very well. I was one of
Speaker 12: the last people evacuated from the capital on January sixth,
Speaker 12: twenty twenty one, and they've heard this story. And three
Speaker 12: weeks ago they saw the video footage that it was
Speaker 12: only thirty seconds from when I was evacuated to win.
Speaker 12: Those insurrectionists are in that hallway hunting for us, trying
Speaker 12: to disrupt the election. And New Hampshire voters know full
Speaker 12: well that it was Donald Trump that instigated that attack
Speaker 12: on our government and that was trying to overthrow overturn
Speaker 12: the results of the election. So I think the sentiment
Speaker 12: is very strong, and I hope the message will be
Speaker 12: sent on both sides of the ticket that Donald Trump
Speaker 12: is not fit for another term.
Speaker 2: Congresswoman Annie Custer, the Democrat from New Hampshire, talking with
Speaker 2: us here on Bloomberg Balance of Power in Manchester, New Hampshire.
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. I'm Joe Matthew in a quick
Speaker 2: swing here from Jeanie Shanzano as a Democrat. Is Dean
Speaker 2: Phillips the spoiler the problem that she frames him? Or
Speaker 2: should more Democrats have run?
Speaker 10: You know, there's twenty one people on this ballot, including
Speaker 10: our old favorite paper boy Love Prince, who's not there.
Speaker 2: Joe Biden.
Speaker 10: I'm theay, we love him, but you know, Joe Biden,
Speaker 10: it's a write and that's tough to win. I think
Speaker 10: Joe Biden is running this Rose Garden strategy. He really
Speaker 10: needs to get out there. Bernie Sanders is right face
Speaker 10: the economic challenges people are confronting in New Hampshire and elsewhere.
Speaker 2: Is this risky though? What if, like we just said,
Speaker 2: what if Dean Phillips beats the president because of this
Speaker 2: hokey writing camp?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean Dean Phillips has a shot, but he's
Speaker 10: not going to go anywhere out of this except maybe
Speaker 10: to No Labels.
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Speaker 2: Live from the first in the Nation primary state. Thanks
Speaker 2: for being with us on Balance of Power here on
Speaker 2: Bloomberg TV and Radio. I'm Joe Matthew live in Manchester
Speaker 2: alongside Kaylee Lines as we try to figure out what's
Speaker 2: going to happen twenty four hours from now. Kayley, A
Speaker 2: big raft of poles dropped this morning, and it's not
Speaker 2: just the spread that we're looking at, it's the incredible
Speaker 2: consistency between these poles. Gregory Cordy made the point earlier
Speaker 2: in the broadcast that this seems to have and the
Speaker 2: dicenes have been cast months ago, we haven't seen much motion,
Speaker 2: certainly since Chris Christy dropped out of the race, the
Speaker 2: thought being that this might look like the way the
Speaker 2: results due tomorrow.
Speaker 6: Well, even the polling that was showing Haley in single
Speaker 6: digits behind former President Trump just weeks ago CNN, for example,
Speaker 6: is now showing her double digits. That's important behind him
Speaker 6: nineteen points spread in the Suffolk University Boston Globe poll,
Speaker 6: eighteen points spread when it comes to Monmouth and the
Speaker 6: Washington Post, and in the latest Emerson College polling that
Speaker 6: came out yesterday, Joe fifty percent planned to support Trump,
Speaker 6: thirty five percent support Nikki Haley, and then eight percent
Speaker 6: support Ron DeSantis, who, of course, as of yesterday afternoon,
Speaker 6: is no longer in this race as he dropped and
Speaker 6: endorsed Trump.
Speaker 2: So was that the worst timing ever? Is a question
Speaker 2: for Nicky Haley supporters because those votes aren't going to Nicky,
Speaker 2: They're going to Trump from the DeSantis camp.
Speaker 6: So goes the thinking. But let's get the opinion now,
Speaker 6: Spencer Kimball, the Emerson College polling director. So as I said, Spencer,
Speaker 6: thank you so much for joining us here in Manchester.
Speaker 6: In our studio, eight percent support for Ron de Santis.
Speaker 6: Where does that eight percent go?
Speaker 11: So that conventional wisdom is that he's in the same
Speaker 11: lane as Trump, and he'll go into Trump's lane, But
Speaker 11: our polling indicates that those voters are more split. There
Speaker 11: was a reason why they weren't voting for Trump and
Speaker 11: they were voting for DeSantis. And it looks like about
Speaker 11: forty forty five percent would actually vote for Haley and
Speaker 11: she might actually pick up a few votes there. Remember
Speaker 11: when Christie dropped out of the race, she didn't pick
Speaker 11: up all twelve of those points. She only picked up
Speaker 11: six or seven, and so same thing will probably happen
Speaker 11: with the DeSantis vote.
Speaker 2: What's it like as a polster when you settle on
Speaker 2: your numbers and you look around you see everyone else
Speaker 2: got almost the same numbers. This is pretty unusual, it.
Speaker 11: Is It is usually you see a range of scores
Speaker 11: with our polls, and then it's going to fall within
Speaker 11: that range. But we kind of saw this happening in
Speaker 11: Iowa as well. These numbers were all baked together in
Speaker 11: that low fifties, and that's what we saw with Trump.
Speaker 11: A little bit of a surprise with DeSantis. We'll see
Speaker 11: here in New Hampshire we're also seeing Trump in that
Speaker 11: low fifties. If those numbers hold or were those undecided,
Speaker 11: break for Haley potentially making a little closer.
Speaker 6: Well in New Hampshire consistently is a surprise. It's just
Speaker 6: a question of whether or not everybody's going to be
Speaker 6: surprised this time around, when it seems that everyone feels
Speaker 6: an inevitability of Trump ultimately, if not outright winning the state,
Speaker 6: it's going to be very tight. And ultimately, it seems
Speaker 6: according to everyone Joe and I have talked to here
Speaker 6: in recent days that everybody presumes he's going to be
Speaker 6: the Republican nominee. And part of that is not just
Speaker 6: the way that he's polling in terms of the headline
Speaker 6: figures of how much support he has. It's the enthusiasm
Speaker 6: of the people who say they are voting for him.
Speaker 6: What have you seen in your data on that?
Speaker 11: Yeah, So we ask voters, what's the chances you're going
Speaker 11: to change your mind or you're going to stick with
Speaker 11: your candidate? And the Trump vote has been between seventy
Speaker 11: five and ninety percent sticking with Trump right now it's
Speaker 11: at ninety be fed back in August it's at seventy five,
Speaker 11: so it's only been growing. Hailey, on the other hand,
Speaker 11: she's at eighty percent now, but she was at fifty
Speaker 11: so her vote has locked in. Over the last couple
Speaker 11: of weeks, we saw his numbers drop. His voters were
Speaker 11: locked in, and in our last poll we saw fifty
Speaker 11: percent were like, hey, we might switch, and I bet
Speaker 11: you the governor saw that as well and decided maybe
Speaker 11: it's time to get out of this.
Speaker 2: We've learned and this is from a Monmouth poll out today,
Speaker 2: you might have found this very same thing. Spencer. Forty
Speaker 2: seven percent of potential Republican primary voters are not registered Republicans.
Speaker 2: This this is the strange, mysterious independent voter that we
Speaker 2: keep hearing about forty seven percent of potential Republican primary voters.
Speaker 2: What does that mean for Nicky Haley in terms of
Speaker 2: a potential surprise tomorrow?
Speaker 6: She needs more.
Speaker 11: She needs sixty percent independent votes because she's losing the Republicans.
Speaker 11: So these are registered independents in New Hampshi. They're called
Speaker 11: undeclared declares, and we have registered Republicans. Normally, in a
Speaker 11: party primary, sixty percent of Republicans, forty percent will be independents.
Speaker 11: And what we're seeing here is it more of a
Speaker 11: fifty five to forty five. What she needs is to
Speaker 11: flip the script and get actually a larger percentage of
Speaker 11: independence to come out like sixty percent and only have
Speaker 11: forty percent of Republicans vote in this primary.
Speaker 6: So high turnout maybe what she needs here if she's
Speaker 6: going to eke something out, and she's just a question
Speaker 6: of how high that turnout will be.
Speaker 2: The Victoria State told us we'd have a record, which
Speaker 2: I don't understand why I'm around Manchester right now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it feels quieter than at least I would have anticipated.
Speaker 6: Joe really hyped it up to me before we came here.
Speaker 2: In I told this whole story about the carnival that
Speaker 2: comes with the New Hampshire primary. We can't get arrested
Speaker 2: out on Elm Street.
Speaker 11: I agree, it's a different atmosphere this time around than
Speaker 11: I've seen in my twenty years of studying these elections.
Speaker 11: But remember New Hampshire takes their primary very seriously, and
Speaker 11: the Democrats have moved away from being first in the
Speaker 11: nation and the reason why they might come out is
Speaker 11: to make the statement that they want to stay. Remember
Speaker 11: twenty twenty eight is coming. Are they going to stay
Speaker 11: first in the nation or are they going to lose
Speaker 11: out to South Carolina. So that's the reason I think
Speaker 11: you could see a tremendous turnout is more of the
Speaker 11: pride of their state. And you'll see it on the
Speaker 11: Democratic side as well, even though there's really not a contest.
Speaker 6: Well, and we know the voters in New Hampshire like
Speaker 6: to hear from these candidates as much as they possibly can.
Speaker 6: They could have heard more from Nicki Haley had she
Speaker 6: actually decided to partake in debates this week, which she
Speaker 6: did not is that having an impact on how she's
Speaker 6: pulling as we really approach the endgame here.
Speaker 11: Well, we were thinking the same thing, and so we
Speaker 11: asked the voters, what do you think about her skipping
Speaker 11: the debates? And for seventy five percent they said it
Speaker 11: didn't matter. Now we asked them about Trump skipping all
Speaker 11: of the debates, and for sixty percent of them it
Speaker 11: didn't matter, and for the ones that it mattered are
Speaker 11: kind of split. I was thinking, you got a debate
Speaker 11: just for a game changer. You came out of Iowa
Speaker 11: without that momentum. You needed some sort of focusing event
Speaker 11: during this week, and she didn't really have that. And
Speaker 11: unfortunately in her campaign, the focusing event seemed to be
Speaker 11: the endorsements of Trump by some of her opponents, Tim
Speaker 11: Scott and he got to Santis, and so that's not
Speaker 11: what she needed to go into the primary.
Speaker 7: We'll see if it plays out for her, though.
Speaker 2: Well, especially, you've done a great job here at Emerson.
Speaker 2: I went to Emerson College way before there was a
Speaker 2: polling institute there, and you've really put yourself on the
Speaker 2: map here in a great way. Do great work, and
Speaker 2: we've really enjoyed following the data. Are you ready for
Speaker 2: the longest general election campaign of your life?
Speaker 11: Well, yes, we're looking forward to studying the election. But
Speaker 11: remember we got primaries in Ohio and California. There's other races.
Speaker 11: There's a New York third district race that people are
Speaker 11: interested in. So yes, we have presidential primary politics.
Speaker 2: We'll keep it on a reason. We would love to
Speaker 2: stay in touch with you, even being New Hampshire. And
Speaker 2: I appreciate you being with us today.
Speaker 11: My pleasure.
Speaker 7: It's great to be with you.
Speaker 2: Stuff Spencer Kimball with us from Emerson College polling. These
Speaker 2: numbers look pretty stubborn right now, Kayley.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and they don't look great if you're Nikki Haley
Speaker 6: or her supporters. And limited times to change minds here, Joe,
Speaker 6: and the polls open in just about sixteen short hours.
Speaker 11: Ye,