1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: You don't listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio. 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 2: Well, that's right, you heard the man. It is that 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 2: time of week. My name is Bernie Frattle. We aren't 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 2: coming you live from the tirack dot com studios here 5 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 2: in Las Vegas. Fox Sports Radio tyrack dot com. We'll 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 2: help you get there on match selection, fast free shipping, 7 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 2: free road anser protection, and over ten thousand recommended installers 8 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 2: tyrack dot com the way tire buying should be. You know, 9 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: late great Bill Veck once said, the most beautiful thing 10 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 2: in the world is a stadium or a ballpark filled 11 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 2: with people. Hold that thought. By the way, later in 12 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 2: the show, we will get into a lot of college football. 13 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 2: There was an instant class seic here tonight in Las Vegas. 14 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: Jason Smith, Syracuse Orange. They proved to be a little 15 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 2: bit too much metal for a very good UNLV team. 16 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,959 Speaker 2: Hold that thought because it speaks to the larger issue. 17 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: What a freaking sports October we are in for so far, 18 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: and it's gonna continue. The Major League Baseball postseason is 19 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: going to be a banger, the drama, the historyonics. In 20 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 2: the words of the great late John Facenda, it's going 21 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 2: to drain the vocabulary of superlatives. I gotta start here, 22 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: because if you only knew the history, if you only 23 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 2: knew the backstory, if you only knew the minutia, you 24 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: live for this stuff, and so do I. How about 25 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: those amazing Mets? Sorry, you gotta hear this. Yes, it 26 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 2: was the second Mets miracle this week, two epic historical 27 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 2: wins in four days that baseball fans are going to 28 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 2: be talking about for a long time. In the ninth 29 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 2: the Polar Bear hits a three run dinger to lift 30 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: the Mets from two zip to up three to two. Now, 31 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 2: I bet you Pete Rose God rest his soul, and 32 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 2: would be talking about him a lot tonight, would be 33 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 2: spinning in his grave. After the Mets pull their starter 34 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 2: after six screless innings, by the way, which is only 35 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 2: the fourth time in Major League Baseball playoff history that 36 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: there was a zero zero game after six full innings 37 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: in a winner take all game. Then the Brewers, right 38 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 2: after that pitching change, hit back to back dingers, and 39 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 2: even though the score was only two to nothing, Sorry, 40 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 2: if you're a Mets fan, you felt like it was 41 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 2: eight to nothing. The Major League Baseball Win Expectancy website crashed, 42 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 2: but the odds that the Mets faced losing by that 43 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 2: time as they batted in the ninth had to be 44 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: well over ninety percent. But what if I told you 45 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 2: back on August twenty eighth, the mets chances to even 46 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 2: make the playoffs was only thirteen percent. By the way 47 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 2: the game against Milwaukee, it was the first time in 48 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 2: Major League Baseball history, Yes, the first time in Major 49 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 2: League Baseball history that a player hit a home run 50 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 2: in the ninth inning or later in a winner take 51 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 2: all game that took us lead from a deficit tour lead. 52 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: I'm not done. When the Brewers broke the scoreless tie 53 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 2: in the seventh, it was the first time in club 54 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 2: history a pinch hitter homeward in a winner take all 55 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 2: playoff game with one out nobody on the top of 56 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 2: the ninth. At that point, the Mets had a seven 57 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 2: percent chance of winning. Then Nimo singles in the ninth. 58 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 2: It was the mets third hit the entire day for 59 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 2: the entire team. After the game, can't make this stuff up, folks, 60 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 2: Brandon Nemo said, I did it for my grandmother, who 61 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 2: died one hour before the first pitch that night. Brandon 62 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: Nimo's grandmother died an hour before that game started. Nimo 63 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 2: comes through with the single in the ninth Pete Alonzo. 64 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 2: He'd been in a huge slump five for thirty eight 65 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 2: all singles before he hit that home run that Williams 66 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: a checked at first home run Williams had given up 67 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,119 Speaker 2: all season off his ridiculous chain up. Then no one's 68 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 2: supposed to hit a home run off and the first 69 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: home run off any pitch since August seventeenth. So with 70 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 2: the Brewers loss, this is the eighth time they've been 71 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 2: eliminated since nineteen eighty one. And I know you've already 72 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: heard this twenty seven times today, So what is one 73 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 2: more time going to hurt? All seven teams who beat 74 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: the Brewers made to the World Series. Not every team won, 75 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: but every team made it. Meet the Mets. Meet the Mets. 76 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 2: Step right up and greet the Mets. If you don't 77 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 2: think the Mets being exciting in the World Series would 78 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: be the price of admission alone, then your first aligned 79 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: for a front of lobotomy. And if that isn't enough. 80 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 2: The Brewers starting pitcher Toby Miners was one in fifteen 81 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: with a seven point eight two ERA and the Miners 82 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 2: just a year ago. Beginning of November twenty twenty one, 83 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: he was traded by Tampa Bay, sold by Cleveland, cut 84 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 2: by the San Francisco Giants, and released by the White Sox. 85 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 2: In November twenty twenty two years picked up by the 86 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 2: Brewers and the other night gave them five shutout innings. 87 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 2: That's baseball, folks. He can't make this stuff up. This 88 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 2: is just the beginning. This is gonna be a phenomenal, phenomenal, 89 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 2: phenomenal postseason. Don't act like it's not. We'll get into 90 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 2: the matchups a little bit later, and I'll talk about 91 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 2: why I think the Guardians might win or whether Tigers 92 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: can win. Yes, absolute this is wide open. But lest 93 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: we forget, Shoheo Tani also enters his first postseason, and 94 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 2: make no mistake, Major League Baseball is going all in 95 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: on sho Yotani. You're gonna You're gonna be seeing you 96 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 2: more Shoeo Tani ads and Carter's has pills. Maybe that's 97 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 2: a bad reference. Google at knuckleheads. This league is featuring 98 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 2: will be featuring Shoeyo Tani with the leaves instable in 99 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 2: what they call quote baseball is something else. It's a 100 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: brand campaign. Featuring an actor by the name of Brian 101 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 2: and Tyree Henry. Finally, Major League Baseball has Showhey in 102 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 2: the postseason. The Dodgers their superstar, Shohy, expect to see 103 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 2: him front and center all day, every day. By the way, 104 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:18,119 Speaker 2: in Japan, meanwhile, Major League Baseball has implemented an outa 105 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 2: home takeover across Tokyo, setting up one hundred and thirteen 106 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 2: billboards around the city that feature each individual homer and 107 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 2: stolen base for Otani during the regular season, and in 108 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 2: addition to spotlighting Otani's historic season and promoting these upcoming playoffs, 109 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 2: the Japanese effort was it's going to serve as a 110 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 2: four runner for next March Baseball. You're also going to 111 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 2: see a major push to grow baseball. Consider this going 112 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 2: to be Baseball's thrust to grow the game internationally. Remember 113 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 2: the Dodgers open up in Japan next March. They'll play 114 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 2: the Cups and what's going to be called the twenty 115 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 2: twenty five Major League Baseball Season World of World Tour 116 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 2: of International Games. Otani be coming back to his home country, 117 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 2: by the way, not for nothing, he's presumed Otani will 118 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,359 Speaker 2: be pitching. Remember, he's pretty good Pitcher too, and it 119 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 2: is going to be a pretty good hitter. So if 120 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: passed his prologue, and it is, these playoffs are going 121 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 2: to be epic. They already have been, and they're going 122 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 2: to be and it almost leaves you breathless. But you've 123 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: heard me say it a thousand times. Sports are the 124 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,679 Speaker 2: greatest reality show and you can script everything but the inning. 125 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 2: Coming up, I've got a story about Pete Rose, an 126 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:37,679 Speaker 2: obscure story involving his agent, Reuven Katz, professional tennis player 127 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 2: Marty Blake, and a good friend of his who is 128 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 2: a writer for a big paper in West Virginia. And 129 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 2: what it does, it metaphorically shares with you. How truly 130 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 2: Pete Rose was hardwired to make sure he achieved whatever 131 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 2: it was he wanted in life, except there's going to 132 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 2: be one he didn't. And by the way, you don't 133 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 2: want to miss this. Coming up bottom of the hour, 134 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: Steve Hartman will joined us. Steve enjoyed a long personal 135 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: and professional relationship with Steep with Pete Rose. And we're 136 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: gonna ask the eternal question. And I think I know 137 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 2: Steve's answer, and I think I know my answer. I've 138 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 2: only met Pete twice, been around him twice, had a 139 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 2: great time with him. I bragged to him that I 140 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 2: was signed by the Cincinnati DS, which I was. I 141 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 2: asked him if you knew the scart at Larry Barton Jr. 142 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 2: I said, you know Larry Barton Junior? Of course the scout. 143 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 144 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 2: Anyway, I digress. We're going to get into Pete coming up. Hey, 145 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 2: football fans, be sure to tune into Fox Sports Radio 146 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: every Saturday morning beginning at nine am Eastern six am 147 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: Pacific for Contown to Kickoff, presented by BETMGM, Brian no, 148 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 2: Rich Ornberger and betting analyst Jared Smith will have you 149 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 2: covered three hours before college kickoffs. 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The clock literally will be striking midnight. 166 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 2: It will be twelve am Pacific time here in Las Vegas, 167 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 2: and perhaps from where you're listening, it's also that time, 168 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 2: but figuratively from where you're listening, it's also the midnight hour. 169 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 2: It's a segment we started back the beginning of the 170 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 2: year and it's been phenomenally successful because the callers. So 171 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 2: we'll be looking to get your calls at midnight twelve 172 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 2: am Pacific in forty two minutes eight seven, seven, nine 173 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 2: to nine one Fox. And obviously it's going to be 174 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 2: about Pete Rose, Right, what was your reaction when he 175 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 2: died his legacy? Do you believe he should be in 176 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame? Do you believe he'll ever get 177 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame posthumously? By the way, one 178 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 2: hundred and seventeen former players have been elected to Major 179 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 2: League Baseball's Hall of Fame posthumously. All right, now, no 180 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 2: real mechanism exists. We're going to talk about that with 181 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 2: Steve Hartman. The Veterans Committee would have to step up. 182 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 2: But comes down to this forty two to fifty six 183 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 2: versus twenty one B And that's the rule that you 184 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 2: all know about. Pete got just about everything he ever 185 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 2: wanted in life except one. And I think you'll get 186 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 2: a kick out of this story because it's a nondescript story, 187 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 2: but it's the type of story that I think you 188 00:10:55,080 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 2: can certainly relate and picture Pete Rose engaging in. It 189 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 2: was in the off season in Cincinnati, probably around nineteen 190 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 2: seventy six. Pete was very good friends with a writer 191 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 2: for the West Virginia Wheeling News Register, the Intelligence or 192 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 2: a big newspaper. His name was Bob Hertzel. They both 193 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 2: lived in Cincinnati, and they were both at Western Hills 194 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 2: Indoor Tennis Club, where Rose was a member. Rose liked 195 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 2: to play little tennis, not really a tennis player, but 196 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 2: he was definitely an athlete. Well, his buddy Bob Hertzel, 197 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 2: decided to set up a doubles match because Bob Herzel's 198 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 2: friend was a professional tennis player by the name of 199 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 2: Marty Blake. Marty was a good player back in the day. 200 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 2: Pete Rose had an agent, a famous agent by the 201 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 2: name of Reuven Katz, who also liked to play little tennis. 202 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 2: So the match was set up. A doubles match was 203 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 2: set up. Pete Rose and his agent. Ruven Katz was 204 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 2: also a friend of Bob Hertzel's versus Bob Hertzel and 205 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 2: Marty Blake, right, just a friend of little best of 206 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:04,719 Speaker 2: the three doubles match at Western Hills Country Club in Cincinnati. 207 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 2: Western Hills Tennis Club there was an indoor club, so 208 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 2: they played the match. In the first set, Marty Blake 209 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 2: and Bob Hurtzel won. In the second match, Pete Rose 210 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 2: and Ruben Katz won. Now, obviously, as Bob Hurtzel told it, 211 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 2: Marty Blake wasn't let it all out, not in that match. 212 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 2: He you could say, in a manner of speaking, they 213 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 2: let them win. They you know, Blake let Rose and 214 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 2: Ruben Katz win. Blake, Marty Blake was thrilled to be 215 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 2: on the court with Pete Rose. Pete Rose did not 216 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 2: know Marty Blake was a professional tennis player didn't know it, 217 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 2: but Pete was. As the story goes, as the lord goes, 218 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 2: Pete was his Charlie Hustle self times ten, busting butt 219 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 2: all over the court, running shots down right up until 220 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 2: they got to match point, and all of a sudden 221 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 2: it became evident that there was a possibility that Rose 222 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 2: and his agent, Reuben Katz could beat Marty Blake. Now 223 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 2: that was not going to happen. So Marty Blake looked 224 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 2: at Bob Hurtzel and says, okay, because Rose had no idea. 225 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 2: Marty had been holding black back, especially a serf, and 226 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 2: so Blake went over to personal says, I gotta let 227 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 2: it out. Do you think Pete will get mad? I 228 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 2: want to hit him one real serve. You could be mad. 229 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 2: He goes, no, I don't think Pete will be mad. 230 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 2: I think he'll be He'll get a kick out of it. Actually, 231 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 2: So Marty blasted that serve. Craked it up Nolan Ryan's style. 232 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 2: The ball was on Rose before he could even know it. 233 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 2: It was buying fastball strike three, game, set match. Pete 234 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 2: froze and for an instant he realized he'd been had 235 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 2: He realized what had happened, but he didn't get mad. 236 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 2: But he was not about to let it in that way. 237 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,599 Speaker 2: So he reached out to Marty Blake and says, do 238 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 2: me a favor. He hit another one of those serfs, 239 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 2: Marty blasted it by him again. He had another one, 240 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 2: Marty blasted it by him again. Marty didn't realize that 241 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 2: Pete was going to sit there and try to return 242 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 2: one of his servers until he could get one back 243 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 2: across the net and inbounds. Now, finally, as the story 244 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 2: had it, after thirty full minutes, thirty full minutes, Rose 245 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: somehow scored up the racket, made contact with the ball 246 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 2: and returned it over the net inbounds and they could leave. 247 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 2: That was Pete Rose. Thirty minutes is a long time. 248 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 2: I've been on the air for twenty three minutes. Go 249 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 2: another seven minutes from now and Rose Blake. He would 250 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 2: not let Blake off the court until he returned a 251 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 2: single serve in a silly tennis match where the match 252 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 2: was already over. So imagine what you think the links 253 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 2: Pete Rose would go to when he decided he wanted 254 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 2: to be the greatest hitter of all time, or he 255 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 2: wanted to win a baseball game, or what he did 256 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 2: in the nineteen seventy All Star Game when he bowled 257 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 2: over Pete Rose. Now you know why he ran over. 258 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 2: Pete Rose had on't plate in the nineteen seventy All 259 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 2: Star Game to score the winning run, even though he'd 260 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 2: had Fossey over to his house for dinner the previous night, 261 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: didn't matter. That was friendship. This was baseball. That's why 262 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 2: Pete Rose had more hits than anyone ever had in 263 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 2: the big leagues. He was driven to be the best. 264 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 2: He had to be the best at what he did. 265 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 2: Nothing short of it was acceptable so much you always 266 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 2: liked to tell people that why he made well. He 267 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 2: had more hits than anyone. He also made more outs. 268 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 2: That was Pete, and Pete took every out Personally. It 269 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 2: was painful, but that's also why Pete won three batting 270 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 2: titles an MVP three World Series. That's why he hit 271 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 2: in forty four straight games, a streak second only to 272 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 2: Joe Demanto. You can't imagine how much Pete Rose wanted 273 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 2: to break Joe Demanto's record. He honestly believed he was 274 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 2: going to do it and that baseball needed him to 275 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: do it. That's why on that fateful Saturday afternoon when 276 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 2: the streak ended in Atlanta, and it was it was 277 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 2: done at the hands of a guy who threw a 278 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 2: lot of slop by the name of Jean Garber, the 279 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 2: relief pitcher who struck him out on a change up 280 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 2: outside the strike zone. By the way, Atlanta led that 281 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 2: game sixteen to four. There were two outs of the 282 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 2: ninth inning. All that was on the line. All that 283 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 2: was on the line at that point was a hitting streak, 284 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 2: and Rose felt Garber owed it to him, to the 285 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 2: fans into history to challenge him, but didn't work out 286 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: that way. And the bottom line is is that you know, 287 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 2: Pete Rose, that simply served as another example that Rose 288 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 2: would do anything, go to any length to accomplish whatever 289 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 2: he wanted to in life. And Pete made a big 290 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 2: deal about that deal. Pete though, you know, having grown 291 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 2: up in Cincinnati local boy Western Hills High School, he 292 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 2: was like the you know, the Jack Armstrong All American tale, 293 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 2: a role model for kids. But he turned into a 294 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 2: Shakespearean tragedy because he allowed the fatal flaw in his 295 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,719 Speaker 2: makeup his total competitiveness that led to a gambling addiction. 296 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 2: That robbed him from the one thing that drove him 297 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 2: most in his post career. I don't care what anybody 298 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 2: says that Pete may not have cared about being in 299 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. It's not true. He wanted his 300 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 2: final resting place to be in Cooperstown, New York, as 301 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 2: a member of a Hall of Fame, not selling autographs 302 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 2: outside the Hall of Fame or here at the Mall 303 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 2: in Las Vegas. He was given a lifetime in eligibility 304 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 2: for the game for betting on baseball in nineteen eighty nine. 305 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 2: Ted Williams used to say all I wanted out of 306 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 2: life was for people to see me walking down the 307 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 2: street and say, there goes the greatest hitter that ever lived. 308 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 2: Pete Rose wanted people to say, quote, there goes the 309 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 2: man who had the most hits ever in the game 310 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 2: of baseball. And that happened, and the way he played 311 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 2: the game is evidence. By hitting thirty triples as a 312 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 2: minor leaguer in Tampa during the season on his way 313 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 2: to a big leagues he arrived in nineteen sixty three, 314 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 2: no one knew who he was. Beat out the popular 315 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 2: Don blasting game in second base, and the rest is history, 316 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 2: and the truth of the matter is not everybody's going 317 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 2: to remember Pete Rose for all the great things he did. 318 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 2: It's just a Shakespearean tragedy. So the eternal question will 319 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 2: become now Pete Rose's Hall of Fame ban his ineligibility 320 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 2: permanently from the game of baseball? Could the hit king 321 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 2: be inducted posthumously? You see, when Abart Giamatti died in 322 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine, I'm convinced I was told this many 323 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 2: many years ago. Can I prove it? 324 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 5: No? 325 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 2: Do I believe it? I kind of do that he 326 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 2: had a deathbed wish that Pete does not get into 327 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. A Bart Giamatti did not like Pete. 328 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 2: His successor, Fave incign carried the torch, wouldn't meet with Pete. 329 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 2: Bud Sealey followed Fave incidentn carried carried the wish as 330 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 2: it were, and right on to Rob Manfred. Now, and 331 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 2: you can clearly see every time it came up, Rob 332 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 2: Manfred pan pat patted and pushed the subject right down, 333 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 2: right down the road. So coming up, we're gonna talk 334 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 2: to Steve Hartman about this at length. You don't want 335 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 2: to miss his conversation. But first let's go to our guy, 336 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 2: the chef, Kevin Wire. Yeah. 337 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 6: College football action on this Friday, Number six Oregon staying unbeaten, 338 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 6: the Ducks moving a six to zero in dominating fashion 339 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 6: as they blow out Michigan State thirty one to ten 340 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 6: behind three touchdowns, two of them passing by Dylan Gabriel 341 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 6: Jordan James one hundred and sixty six yards for the 342 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 6: Ducks as they also moved to two and oh in 343 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 6: their first year in a Big twelve play Number twive, 344 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 6: Number twenty five UNLV suffering their first loss of the season. 345 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 7: Heppy formation, mang and Valari are left in the gun. 346 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 7: The snap is taken Gibdon m quinn hammers at the 347 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 7: end zone on second effort. No, he stood up. 348 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 2: Now we's flighty. 349 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 7: Gimes in Jack Pott McQuinn Allen jack Pott in Vegas 350 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 7: has fourth touchdown of the game, lifts the Orange to victory. 351 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 6: That was the Syracuse Sports Network from lear Field on 352 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 6: the calling over time forty four to forty one, victory 353 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 6: four the Orange, as they're now four and one on 354 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 6: the air and very well could be looking at getting 355 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 6: into the top twenty five rankings. Kyle McCord three touchdown 356 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 6: passes and three hundred and fifty five yards in the victory. 357 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 6: Houston gets by TCU thirty to nineteen, and the horn 358 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 6: Frogs now just one in two and Big twelve play 359 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 6: two years removed after being the national runners up and 360 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 6: in the WNBA playoffs, the Aces stay alive ninety five 361 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 6: eighty one. They beat the New York Liberty Asia Wilson 362 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 6: a double double, nineteen points and fourteen rebounds Breonna Stewart 363 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 6: in the loss with nineteen points. New York still ahead 364 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 6: two games to one, and Minnesota gets by Connecticut ninety 365 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 6: to eight to one to take a two to one 366 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 6: lead in that series. And with the Major League Baseball 367 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 6: Division Series in both leagues taking place starting tomorrow, the 368 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 6: Padre is gonna be with out pitcher Joe musk Rove, 369 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 6: not just for the postseason, but very well all the 370 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 6: next year as well. He's gonna need Tommy John surgery 371 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 6: on his right elbow as he left Wednesday's Wildcard Game 372 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 6: two against the Braves in the fourth inning due to 373 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 6: discomfort in that elbow, and the Met's gonna start pitcher 374 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 6: Codei Singa in Game one of the NLDS at the Phillies. 375 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 6: Back to you, Berne. 376 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 2: All right, thanks chef, good stuff, buddy. So we'll bring 377 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 2: up Steve Hartman here in just a second. But remember, 378 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 2: just so you know again, in history, there have been 379 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 2: one hundred and seventeen Major League Baseball players that were 380 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 2: elected to the Hall of Fame posthumously. Pete Rose, as 381 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 2: as recent as twenty twenty two sent a lengthy letter 382 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 2: to Commissioner Rob Manfred asking for one last chance the 383 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. Manfred didn't even respond to the letter. 384 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 2: He'd rejected everyone of Pete Rose's request before, and he 385 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 2: didn't even respond to this letter. Now, lest you've forgotten, 386 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 2: there's a list of people banned from Major League Baseball 387 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 2: that chose that individuals can be reinstated, which would mean 388 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 2: they are re eligible for the Hall of Fame. And 389 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 2: now all of them were perfect human beings. Ferguson Jenkins. 390 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 2: He was inducted into the Hall of Fame in nineteen 391 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 2: ninety one. He was banned in nineteen eighty after cocaine 392 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 2: was found with him during a custom search in Toronto. 393 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 2: He'd originally been suspended, but an independent arbiter reinstated him 394 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 2: before his retirement. Willie Mays and Mickey mannele Yes both 395 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 2: were banned after they were inducted into the Hall of 396 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 2: Fame when they were hired by casinos in Atlantic City. 397 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 2: Now their bands took place before the Hall of Fame 398 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 2: decided against inducting banned individuals in the Hall did not 399 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 2: take away their honors. They were reinstated in nineteen eighty five. 400 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 2: I get it. None of their situations are similar to 401 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 2: Pete Roses, though other individuals who were banned for throwing 402 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 2: games or betting on their teams games have not been reinstated. 403 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 2: Marge shot the Red Zonner. She was banned in nineteen 404 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 2: ninety six after racist and anti Semitic comments. She was 405 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 2: reinstated in nineteen ninety eight. Now, even since Pete Rose's death, 406 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 2: many players have stepped forward a second baseman. Ronnie Oaster, 407 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 2: you probably remember he played with Rose and played four 408 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 2: Rose as a manager, told WCPO and Cincinnati that is 409 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 2: quote sad as hell that Roses in Heaven's Hall of 410 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 2: Fame before the one he should have been in first. 411 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 2: In a statement on social media, former pitcher Danny Graves, 412 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 2: Rehet's pitcher, said put the hit king in the Hall 413 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 2: of Fame. Please Brandon Phillips, watch you make the Hall 414 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 2: of Fame now. The Hall of Fame itself even released 415 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 2: a statement after Pete Rose's death said, quote, the Hall 416 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 2: of Fame remembers Pete Rose, major League Baseball's all time 417 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 2: hits and games played leader who passed away on Monday. 418 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 2: Charlie Hussel won three batting titles, earned seventeen All Star 419 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 2: Game selections. He won three World Serious Championships. End quote. 420 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 2: But springing a gentleman here. Hear him on these airwaves 421 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,239 Speaker 2: every Saturday and Sunday. And of course he has had 422 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 2: a spectacular career going back decades and has enjoyed a 423 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 2: personal and professional relationship with Pete Rose. No one better 424 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 2: to have on to talk about this subjects. Welcome in, 425 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 2: Steve Hart, and Steve, thanks for making time. 426 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 8: Pal Bernie always a pleasure. We talked the other day 427 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 8: about this, and yeah, I mean it's complicated, but really 428 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 8: it shouldn't be. 429 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 2: We're going to dive right into that, Steve. One hundred 430 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,719 Speaker 2: and seventeen former players have been elected to the Hall 431 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 2: of Fame posthumously, and I appreciate that. The definitive sort of 432 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 2: succinct way you answer the question. You're of the belief, 433 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 2: and I don't want to put words in your mouth. 434 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 2: It's probably never going to happen for Pete even posthumously. Posthumously. 435 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 2: Take it from there, Steve. 436 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 8: Well, I mean, here's the problem that I have with 437 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 8: this whole process as far as Pete Rose is concerned. 438 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 8: You know, the president was set by the way back 439 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 8: in nineteen sixty three by NFL Commissioner Pete Roselle when 440 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 8: two of the biggest stars in his league, Paul Horning 441 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 8: of the Packers and Alvis Karis of the Lions, were 442 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 8: caught betting on their teams to win games. These were 443 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 8: active players, two stars in the NFL at the time. 444 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 8: They were suspended for one year and then reinstated, and 445 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 8: eventually both made it into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. 446 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 8: Pete Rose was under the understanding at the time that 447 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 8: he cut his deal with bar Chamontti in nineteen eighty 448 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 8: nine that his fate was going to follow a similar path, 449 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 8: and of course it all blew up when a he 450 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 8: signed an agreement with Major League Baseball a document that 451 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 8: stated he did not bet on baseball, that he had 452 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 8: bet on other sports, and his understanding that after a 453 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 8: year he was going to get reinstated. That got blown 454 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 8: out when bark Jamatti, of course, at the press conference 455 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 8: after the agreement with signed, said that Pete bet on baseball, 456 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 8: and then a week later, course Barchiamatti dies, and then 457 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 8: fave Vincent. Don't get me started, Bernie on fave Vincent. 458 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 8: But fave Vincent at that point set down the rules 459 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 8: for him. Bud Seiling and every commissioner from that point on, 460 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 8: don't you dare ever lift this lifetime ban. It's been 461 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 8: absurd from the very beginning. And then of course Baseball's 462 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 8: Hall of Fame changed their own rules by stating they 463 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 8: will never consider anyone that is actually suspended by Major 464 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 8: League Baseball. And that's why I don't think this is 465 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 8: going to happen for Pete. He tried everything, Bernie, and 466 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 8: you know this, he tried everything. 467 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 9: What do I have to do? 468 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 8: Tell me what I have to do? You want me 469 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 8: to met I've bet on baseball, yes, but Pete always 470 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 8: brought up the good thing. Why do you keep comparing 471 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 8: me to the Black Sox They took money to throw games. 472 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 8: Not once did Pete Rose ever bet against the Cincinnati 473 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 8: Ritz not once. John Dowd, who did the investigation, I 474 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 8: asked him, was there even a shred of evidence that 475 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 8: he ever bet against his team? No, none, none at all. 476 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 8: And so if there was even a hint that Pete 477 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 8: Rose fixed the game to lose, I would be the 478 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 8: first to say he's gone for life. Did not happen. 479 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 8: And you know as well as I do, Bernie, there 480 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 8: have been a lot of famous athletes, Michael Jordan who 481 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 8: bet on their teams to win. He disappeared for a 482 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 8: couple of years, came back to the NBA. It's not 483 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 8: an uncommon practice. So unfortunately for Pete Rose and his legacy, 484 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 8: the four two hundred and fifty six hits and everything 485 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 8: he did in Major League Baseball will never be recognized 486 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 8: with a plaque in Cooperstown. 487 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 2: Talk with a great Steve Hartman, a four decade relationship 488 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 2: personally and professionally with Pete Rose. Steve, one of the things, 489 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 2: of course you are par excellence is completely understanding the 490 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 2: mechanics and the nomenclature and the methodology by which Pete 491 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 2: Rules would ever even have a chance to be on 492 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 2: a ballot, to potentially be in the Hall of Fame 493 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 2: potentially lay that out for the folks because there will 494 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 2: be people hoping against hope. 495 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 8: Okay, so the first thing they would have to be 496 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 8: doing is the suspension would have to be lifted. It's 497 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 8: as simple as that, as long as he's on the 498 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 8: suspended list under the current rules of the Baseball Hall 499 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 8: of Fame, which people have to understand this, major League 500 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 8: Baseball does not run the Baseball Hall of Fame. The 501 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 8: Baseball Hall of Fame, as all hall of Fames are, 502 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 8: are separate entities. They make their own rules. So that's 503 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 8: something to keep in mind. It's not like major League 504 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 8: Baseball can come in and say, hey, Baseball Hall of Fame, 505 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 8: you need to lift this restriction on those that have 506 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 8: been suspended for life from being considered for the Hall 507 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 8: of Fame. They don't have that kind of power of the. 508 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 10: Baseball Hall of Fame. 509 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 8: It's a separate entity. But that would be the first thing, 510 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 8: or Baseball's Hall of Fame would have to change the 511 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 8: rule back to anyone can be considered. Then of course 512 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 8: he would have to face the scrutiny of a seniors committee. Well, 513 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 8: you know, we've been talking a lot of recent years 514 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 8: about the candidacies of seven time MVP, all time home 515 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 8: run leader Very Bond, seven times Cy Younger winner Roger Clemens, 516 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,959 Speaker 8: after they got passed over ten years on the ballot, 517 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 8: never got that seventy five percent from the Baseball Writers. 518 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 8: And this past year they were passed on to the committee, 519 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 8: the Seniors Committee, and they still didn't get in. And 520 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 8: if anything, the scrutiny of the Seniors Committee is going 521 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 8: to be even greater than the collective of the Baseball Writers. 522 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 11: So I just not in my lifetime. 523 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 9: Maybe you, Bernie, you might live to be one. 524 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 8: Hundred and twenty. I don't know, but I mean, it's 525 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 8: certainly not going to happen now. It's not going to 526 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 8: happen five years from now. It's not going to happen 527 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 8: ten years from now. 528 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:05,479 Speaker 12: You know. 529 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 8: The only thing that can change this, and we talked 530 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 8: about this off there when Peter Youubroth became the Commissioner 531 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 8: of Baseball, he did some great things and he did 532 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 8: some really stupid things in the end. But one of 533 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 8: the great things he did was is that Willie Mays 534 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 8: and Mickey Mantle, who were you know, all out in 535 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 8: you know, Atlantic City, Vegas. I mean, they were greets 536 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 8: and stuff like this. They had been banned from the 537 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 8: game because of their association with these gambling institutions. They 538 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 8: weren't involved in gambling, they were just greeters. And then 539 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 8: he welcomed them back. Was a famous cover of Sports 540 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 8: Illustrated Welcome back, say Hey and Mickey. So that that 541 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 8: would be a big part of it if you could eventually, 542 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 8: you know, Rob Manford is gone and whoever the next 543 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 8: commissioner will be takes a different tack on the legacy 544 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 8: of Pete Rose. That would go a long way. But 545 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 8: again it's still up to the Baseball Hall of Fame 546 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 8: to set their own rules on Pete Rose's eligibility to 547 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 8: even be considered for the Hall of Fame. 548 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 2: Talking with a great Steve Hartman, wrap it up on 549 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 2: the Pete Rose matter. Let's go back in the cookie jar, Steve, 550 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 2: because I know you're really well versed on this. We 551 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 2: talked a lot about Johnny Bench, who I think has 552 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 2: a real bitterness about this subject. But Johnny has claimed 553 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 2: over the years that he and Davey Concepsio and had 554 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 2: a plan and when they sat Pete down, Pete was opposite. 555 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 2: I'm quite sure you know what that plan was, and 556 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 2: Johnny believes if Pete would have followed it, he could 557 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 2: have helped get Pete in the Hall of Fame. Taken 558 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 2: from there, Steve, well. 559 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 8: Look, I mean as far as there were a lot 560 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 8: of game plans for Pete Rose, let's go back to 561 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 8: the All Century team. Well, my dear friend Jim Gray 562 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 8: try and nail him down to admit, you know, on 563 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 8: those festivities that he bet on baseball and Pete bought back. 564 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 8: You know, it was a bad night for Jim especially. 565 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,040 Speaker 8: I remember he told me that he eventually got a 566 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 8: phone call from the network president at NBC supporting him, 567 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 8: you know what he had tried to do, or all 568 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 8: the listeners with the story behind it. So, but I 569 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 8: go a long way back with Pete, and yeah, I 570 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 8: think he had been contrite if he had admitted from 571 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 8: the get go that yes, I bet on games. I 572 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 8: never bet against my team. I bet my team to win. 573 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 8: I believed in my teams. If he had been if 574 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 8: he had done that from the very begin need, yes, 575 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 8: I do believe there would have been an opportunity for him. 576 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 8: But fifteen years of denial and then he only admitted 577 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 8: it because he wrote a book and he wanted. 578 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 13: To sell books. 579 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 8: And to be honestly, you know, as the years went 580 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 8: on with Pete, I think Pete almost you know, he 581 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 8: would show up at Cooperstown during Hall of Fame induction 582 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 8: week and the you know, off the premises, but somewhere 583 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 8: where he'd be signing baseballs. 584 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 14: By the way, if you're a baseball. 585 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 8: Fan and you don't own a Pete Rose ball, you 586 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 8: might be the only one. I don't think anyone ever 587 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 8: signed more baseball than Pete Rose, So you know, it 588 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 8: was it was sort of that back and forth, you know, 589 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 8: where he admitted, Okay, yes, I bet on my team 590 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 8: to win. I wasn't like the Black Sox guys that 591 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 8: were literally trying to throw games. I never did that. 592 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 8: There's no evidence and that never happened. But yeah, I mean, 593 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 8: he just kept digging a deeper grave for himself and unfortunately, 594 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 8: just his general demeanor put a lot of people off, 595 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 8: which is the same reason why Barry Bonds and Roger 596 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 8: Clemens are not in the Hall of Fame. When obvious 597 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 8: ped users are in the Hall of Fame. As you 598 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 8: know who they are, they're pretty obvious. So this is 599 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 8: just the way it is, and My biggest frustration as 600 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 8: a lifelong baseball fan is the idea that the Baseball 601 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 8: Writers Association had been given one hundred percent command over 602 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 8: dictating the history of the sport. And I just think 603 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 8: it's very unfair. There's so many prejudices involved in this 604 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 8: and so muchocracy. It's just absolutely ridiculous. And this is 605 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 8: why personally, I do not recognize the Baseball Hall of 606 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 8: Fame is legit when you have an entire era of 607 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 8: players admitted from Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens and Alex 608 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 8: Rodriguez and Manny Ramirez, some of the greatest players in 609 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 8: the history of the game are forever expelled from the 610 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 8: Hall of Fame. Not to mention Pete Rose. To me, 611 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 8: the Baseball Hall of Fame has zero legitimacy. 612 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 2: Steve like watching Ted Williams hit Man. Well, here you 613 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 2: are on the airwaves at three pm Pacific Saturday with 614 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 2: Monsey and at ten am Pacific for the best NFL 615 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 2: coverage anywhere with Rich Orenberger and Joy Weekend. Really appreciate 616 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 2: you making. 617 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 8: Time Bernie anytime. Thanks so much. 618 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 2: That's the great Steve Hartman and Steve Knew. Pete. Personally, 619 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 2: I can't proclaim to know Pete personally and was only 620 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 2: around him twice. I had a great time with him, 621 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 2: but they go back a long way. If you ever 622 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 2: around Steve or tweet Adam asking to tell the story, 623 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,280 Speaker 2: Howie the first time you ever met him at Dodger 624 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 2: Stadium and he and Pete and Steve really really really 625 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 2: hit it off, and so rock and tour at the park. 626 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 2: Salts appreciate Steve Hartman joining us on that subject. We're 627 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 2: not done coming up. We're going to set up the 628 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 2: midnight hour. I'll give you some food for thought. We 629 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 2: are sixteen minutes away. I really want to hear from you. 630 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 2: This to me is similar well as Jogi Bart would say, 631 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 2: it has different similarities to an OJ Simpson passed, because 632 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 2: there are two legacies and Pete Rose's. It's which one 633 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 2: are you going to lean on two hundred and fifty 634 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 2: six or Rule twenty one B. I want to hear 635 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 2: from you eight seven seven nine to nine on Fox 636 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 2: eight seven seven nine nine six six three sixty nine. 637 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 2: Your reaction when Pete Rose passed. It fell sudden, but 638 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 2: it wasn't necessarily if you know the backstory his legacy. 639 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 2: Will he ever get in the Hall of Fame. Should 640 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 2: he been in the Hall of Fame? How do you 641 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 2: feel about it? So there, I expect us to be 642 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 2: highly charged, and as I've said a thousand times, the 643 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 2: most boring conversations when everybody agrees. I'm Bernie Fridder. We 644 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 2: are comedy lifer from Las Vegas, Fox Sports Radio, tarat 645 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 2: dot com Studios. Keep it locked. You're listening to the 646 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 2: Bernie Fraddle Show on Fox Sports Radio. I were back 647 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,439 Speaker 2: on the Bernie Frattle Show, Fox Sports Radio, comedy liar 648 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 2: from the tarat dot com studios here in Las Vegas. 649 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 2: We are nine minutes away from taking your calls. Well 650 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 2: from where I sit, the clock will strike midnight literally 651 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 2: here in Las Vegas, twelve am Pacific time here in 652 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 2: Las Vegas, and before you sit, perhaps same situation, but 653 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:43,240 Speaker 2: regardless figuratively, it will be the Midnight Hour, a segment 654 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 2: that's been fantastic for the past ten months thanks to 655 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 2: the great callers. And you've heard me reference Reule twenty 656 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 2: one B. Reual twenty one B Section two. You need 657 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,399 Speaker 2: to hear this. This is right for the Major League 658 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 2: Baseball Rulebook. Any player, umpire, club or league official or 659 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,879 Speaker 2: employee who show beat any somewhatsoever upon any baseball game 660 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 2: and connection with which the better has a duty to perform, 661 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,959 Speaker 2: shall be declared permanently ineligible. That's the word, not banned. Ineligible. 662 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:16,919 Speaker 2: All right, people confuse this. It's not semantical. It leads 663 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 2: to a narrative. Do you think Pete. I'm just gonna 664 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 2: give you my position. I have believed for the past 665 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 2: several years that it no longer served any fruitful purpose 666 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 2: to keep Pete off the ballot. Put it to the vote. 667 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,839 Speaker 2: I don't think it would have gone well for him, 668 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 2: but at least put it to the vote, because they're 669 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 2: after thirty years. I think baseball could have pivoted and 670 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 2: turned this into a way where they could have benefited. Now, 671 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 2: if they don't want Pete around the game, they don't 672 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 2: want it to work in baseball, which I still think 673 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,280 Speaker 2: would have been a good idea. Fine, But if Steve 674 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 2: Hartman aptly pointed out, the Baseball Hall of Fame is 675 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 2: an entire separate entity, completely independent of Major League Baseball, 676 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 2: managed by its own autonomy. It's a museum of artifacts 677 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 2: and accomplishments and remembrances. And you got the all time 678 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 2: hit leader, not in it. I get it, I get 679 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 2: the arguments A lot of the you know, there are 680 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 2: personal feelings and objective truths. Most of the time now 681 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 2: people's opinions about Pete Rose are based on personal feelings, 682 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,840 Speaker 2: not objective truths, because they don't really know the total story. 683 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 2: But regardless your opinions, all matter. Eight seven, seven nine 684 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 2: nine six six three six nine. I want to hear 685 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 2: from you. It is the midnight hour. Your reaction to 686 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 2: Peter Rose's death, his legacy. Should they have put him 687 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame? Will he get in postume posthumously? 688 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 2: What would you do? Keep it locked? You listening to 689 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 2: the Bernie Frattle Show on Fox Sports Radio. 690 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 1: You don't listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio. 691 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,879 Speaker 2: Well, that's right, you heard the man. The Bernie Frattle 692 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 2: Show keeps rolling right along. My name is Bernie Frattle. 693 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 2: We are you line from the Tarrack dot com studios 694 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 2: here in Las Vegas, Fox Sports Radio. 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I cannot stand Pete Rose. He's a thug. 705 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 9: He was a ty cob of his time. What he 706 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 9: did to Ray Fosse. I watched that in real time, 707 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,360 Speaker 9: and you're like, oh, you're in a mobile for supper 708 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 9: the night before, but this is baseball. 709 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 15: He didn't even turn around to see if the. 710 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:53,879 Speaker 16: Guy was all right. 711 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 2: Actually he did, Actually he did, Jim. But you're continue 712 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 2: on your own roll. 713 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 9: Yeah, and all there's other stuff that he did, and 714 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,360 Speaker 9: betting and everything. He always carried himself like he was 715 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 9: betting and everybody else because what he did in baseball. 716 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,279 Speaker 2: You're on the lines, Jim. I agree with all that. 717 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 2: I want to just clarify something. What I'm trying to 718 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 2: do is maintain my objectivity. And I respect your opinion 719 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,759 Speaker 2: a lot, and I like how you typically start this 720 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:23,240 Speaker 2: off most Friday night Saturday mornings, but I do detect 721 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,240 Speaker 2: a lot of personal animosity. You've made it very personal, 722 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 2: and that's okay. Continue on. 723 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 9: Well, the thing is, I was a kid when all 724 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 9: this happened, watching him play, and I just, you know, 725 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,480 Speaker 9: I in my heart, you know, saying well, you know, 726 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 9: maybe let him in. 727 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 8: Now. 728 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 9: You know he wanted to get in so bad before 729 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:42,799 Speaker 9: he went away, because then he could have cashed in 730 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 9: on on bore things and stuff like that and made 731 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 9: money or whatever. But now after hearing your caller, you 732 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 9: know the professional you had on it, Well, if you'll 733 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 9: let him in, now you gotta let Bonds, and you 734 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 9: gotta let Clemens, and it just opens up a floodgate. 735 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,360 Speaker 9: So I don't know how they're gonna hand that. 736 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,000 Speaker 2: You know, well, I think I think we I think 737 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,240 Speaker 2: we're I think you're in. I think you're in good shape. Jim, 738 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 2: we don't. Both Steve Hartman and you can hear his 739 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 2: show on the weekends, we both agree that Peaches isn't 740 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 2: going to get in. It just is not in the cards. 741 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 2: He does not have a sponsor, he does not have 742 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:18,880 Speaker 2: a rabbi on the room who's going to carry the 743 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,880 Speaker 2: torture him. First of all, Jim, Rob Manfred would have 744 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 2: to reinstate him. Rob Manfred wouldn't even answer his letter 745 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,279 Speaker 2: two years ago, and he's eighty one years old at 746 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:27,719 Speaker 2: the time. You got the last word. 747 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,840 Speaker 9: You know, I do feel bad from burning out. And 748 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 9: you mentioned it, you know, you said I made it personal. 749 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,440 Speaker 9: But I watched it when I was a kid and everything. 750 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,120 Speaker 9: I watched him when I was fifteen to like twenty three, 751 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 9: and I just know, and I played baseball. He just 752 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 9: he just rubbed me the wrong way watching him day 753 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,560 Speaker 9: after day after day. Missed the Charlie hustle and how 754 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 9: he used to go into bases and tam people. He 755 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,040 Speaker 9: was just the ty Cobb of his time that you 756 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 9: really followed baseball, you know. And then he got caught 757 00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,360 Speaker 9: the gambler and everything like that, Hey you did it, 758 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,799 Speaker 9: you caught it, you know. And then he carried himself like, well, 759 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 9: I'm mister Pete Rose, I'm all the time hit leader. 760 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,720 Speaker 9: You know, why are you looking at me like this? Well, 761 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 9: you broke the rolls, fella, you broke the rolls. 762 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,479 Speaker 2: Good Jim appreciated, buddy. And think about you said last year, 763 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,400 Speaker 2: last your second to the last sentence. It speaks to 764 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,279 Speaker 2: a genuine lack of awareness Pete truly had. Every time 765 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 2: I looked like the door might crack open, you stubbed 766 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,040 Speaker 2: his own toe. Tim Joints just from Florida. Tim, Thanks 767 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 2: for checking in tonight. What do you got Hello? Tim? 768 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,360 Speaker 13: Hey, Bernie, how you do? 769 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:32,759 Speaker 2: Good Bud, You're on the air. 770 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,000 Speaker 13: Go ahead, all right, thanks for taking the call. So 771 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,359 Speaker 13: I'm a little torn about this whole Pete Rose thing. 772 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 2: Okay. 773 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,359 Speaker 13: So I grew up in Cincinnati, and I grew up 774 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,880 Speaker 13: watching Pete Rose and then Jim Morgan and all those guys, 775 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 13: a big red machine guy and loving everything about it. 776 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 11: And then I. 777 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,839 Speaker 13: Was working at Bob Evans at Cincinnati. 778 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:04,280 Speaker 2: The song restaurant is the Bob Effins Sausage, the restaurant 779 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:05,360 Speaker 2: where you eat breakfast. 780 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:07,360 Speaker 14: The restaurant. 781 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:08,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, man, I know about all that. 782 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,360 Speaker 10: Go ahead, okay. 783 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,440 Speaker 13: So Pete Rose came in and I was I was 784 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 13: just a bus boy and like this, this little shy 785 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 13: bus boy, and I'm like, man. 786 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:17,840 Speaker 14: This is my hero. 787 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,560 Speaker 13: And I went up and asked him for an autograph, 788 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:27,239 Speaker 13: and he very hostile, said, don't bother you. Why I'm 789 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,880 Speaker 13: eating my breakfast. I just walked away. I didn't know 790 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,880 Speaker 13: what to do, so five years later, I'm now a 791 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 13: waiter at the bob Evans and he comes in again, 792 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,160 Speaker 13: and I'm waiting on him and I drop a check 793 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 13: off at the table. He's like, excuse me, what are 794 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:45,480 Speaker 13: you doing. 795 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:49,759 Speaker 2: He's like him. 796 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:55,040 Speaker 13: Pete Rose, I don't pay. So that's the epitome of 797 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,399 Speaker 13: what Pete Rose is now. I do believe Pete Rose 798 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,000 Speaker 13: needs to be in the Hall of Fame. He's done. 799 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,719 Speaker 14: Baseball wise, he needs to be in the Hall of Fame. 800 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:07,440 Speaker 12: But that's yer. 801 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:10,840 Speaker 2: Jimmy said it all. You said it all. Don't be 802 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,360 Speaker 2: a stranger man. We do this. I guess it'd be 803 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,920 Speaker 2: three am your time in Florida every Saturday morning, but 804 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,560 Speaker 2: we call it the midnight Hour. What Tim just shared there, 805 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,880 Speaker 2: I've heard encounters like that a thousand times. Ever, good 806 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,960 Speaker 2: ones too, But I've heard that kind of stuff a 807 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,960 Speaker 2: thousand times. That affects people. But interestingly enough, Tim was 808 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:35,640 Speaker 2: able to hold two thoughts concurrently separating his personal encounters 809 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,880 Speaker 2: with Pete versus what he did on the field. Interesting, 810 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,600 Speaker 2: very interesting, good stuff. Tim. All the stars coming out tonight, 811 00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 2: James in Los Angeles? What do you got for us? 812 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:46,040 Speaker 10: What's up, Bernie? 813 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:46,799 Speaker 11: How you doing man. 814 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 2: Doing well, sir, Thanks for checking in. 815 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,000 Speaker 17: Yeah good. I'm still in La. I told you I 816 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,080 Speaker 17: was moving to Guardena, but I haven't got there yet. 817 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,520 Speaker 2: It's still it's a little all La. It's all a 818 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:56,359 Speaker 2: big city, right. 819 00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:00,080 Speaker 17: Yeah, that's right, that's right. I love the belief, and 820 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,840 Speaker 17: I know a lot of people may not agree with that, 821 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,040 Speaker 17: that what you do on the field should be judged 822 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,760 Speaker 17: by what you do on the field. And I relate 823 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,480 Speaker 17: that to oj, I relate that to Pete Rose. I 824 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,560 Speaker 17: relate that to everyone. Your play on the field should 825 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,080 Speaker 17: not effect or your play what you do off the 826 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:16,799 Speaker 17: fore should not affect how you go into the Hall 827 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:22,399 Speaker 17: of Fame, because that's different circumstances. So after what he's 828 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,960 Speaker 17: done for baseball, I'm a p Rose guy, so maybe 829 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,320 Speaker 17: I am biased a little bit, but you know, he 830 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,400 Speaker 17: just brought hustle and everything. 831 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:30,560 Speaker 18: To the game. 832 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,759 Speaker 17: So many things he did. Uh, you know you got 833 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:35,319 Speaker 17: to put him in. 834 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,840 Speaker 2: You gotta put him in the quickly, James, because I 835 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,640 Speaker 2: want to make sure it gets everybody real quickly, because 836 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,720 Speaker 2: I appreciate your candor do you believe it will happen? 837 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,040 Speaker 2: We get you believe he deserves and maybe even wanted to, 838 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,160 Speaker 2: But what's reality. Do you think it's really going to happen? 839 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,880 Speaker 17: I say no, But then I think about David or 840 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,640 Speaker 17: Tis doing teds and he got in because they liked him. 841 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,800 Speaker 17: That's right, the door open. That leaves the door opened 842 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,560 Speaker 17: for Bonds and Clemens. Bonds is my favorite guy of 843 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,160 Speaker 17: all time, you know, I love him, So that leaves 844 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,040 Speaker 17: the doornapp And if there's a crack there, there's a 845 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,120 Speaker 17: little bit of light. If they put Bonds and Clemens in, 846 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:14,520 Speaker 17: they gotta put p rosas. 847 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,839 Speaker 2: All right, Thanks a lot, James, I appreciate it. And then, 848 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,440 Speaker 2: by the way, I don't want to get off on 849 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,759 Speaker 2: this subject because I want to get to Manuel and 850 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,960 Speaker 2: Steve and Kurt and Doug and the other Steve. We're 851 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,719 Speaker 2: gonna get to all of you. Every I want to 852 00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,520 Speaker 2: hear all of you. Just be patient. I've kind of 853 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,680 Speaker 2: made peace with the Bonds and the mcguires and the 854 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:35,360 Speaker 2: Solsa's and and you know all them as well, because 855 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,000 Speaker 2: we're gonna call that the steroid era, and the reality 856 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,680 Speaker 2: of it is the picture thrown was probably juiced to 857 00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,600 Speaker 2: catch a call, and the singles probably juiced. The centerfielder 858 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,520 Speaker 2: chasing down the ball and the gap is probably juiced. 859 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,200 Speaker 2: Bonds just did it better than everybody, but they don't 860 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:53,000 Speaker 2: like him, like like James says Manuell and Guardina, the 861 00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:54,120 Speaker 2: mayor of Guardina. 862 00:46:54,280 --> 00:47:00,439 Speaker 17: How's it going, buddy, just on a shell back them. 863 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,600 Speaker 19: Wait till the midnight out. 864 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:08,920 Speaker 15: He shout out to. We're gonna welcome him with open 865 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:10,920 Speaker 15: arms to Guardina beautiful. 866 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,560 Speaker 2: It's all good. So let's get let's dive into the 867 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,400 Speaker 2: p roast thing. I really want to hear your thoughts. 868 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,239 Speaker 15: Because you're honest, Lee hustle Man. You know, hey, man, 869 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:23,200 Speaker 15: maybe the greatest player I was ever privileged to see. 870 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,160 Speaker 15: Guy Ran. You know, me and my dad had this 871 00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:30,640 Speaker 15: conversation like him or hate him. Pete Rose was going 872 00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,480 Speaker 15: to give you his all every freaking inning that he 873 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,600 Speaker 15: was on that baseball diamond, and I think that's been 874 00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,200 Speaker 15: lost on today's athlete. 875 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:39,560 Speaker 12: Man. 876 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,680 Speaker 15: You know, just the effort, you know, just the flat 877 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,000 Speaker 15: out effort. Now, the guy was a hit wizard, a 878 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,239 Speaker 15: genius at the plate, and I think he had a 879 00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,759 Speaker 15: lot to offer the baseball. So I think it's a 880 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:56,240 Speaker 15: travesty that baseball went the holier than dal Route. I mean, honestly, 881 00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,680 Speaker 15: come on, Bernie, Who the hell is Paul Giamatti's dad 882 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,600 Speaker 15: to be dictating forty years man? Come on like they 883 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,840 Speaker 15: should have are you know? They gave him his band, 884 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,799 Speaker 15: He went with it, and yes he signed the paperwork. 885 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,719 Speaker 15: But there's one thing, Bernie. Rules are made to be broken. 886 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:15,160 Speaker 18: Man. 887 00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,120 Speaker 17: At some point the rule. 888 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:23,000 Speaker 8: Maker, which was Cooperstown and MLB, can bend that rule 889 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:24,000 Speaker 8: to allow him. 890 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:24,959 Speaker 15: He did his time. 891 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:25,279 Speaker 12: Man. 892 00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,200 Speaker 15: As far as the diamond, there. 893 00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:28,160 Speaker 8: Is no denying him. 894 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,520 Speaker 15: He is easily top ten baseball player ever. 895 00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,640 Speaker 2: Love you, Bernie, Thanks man, well appreciate you, buddy. Let's 896 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,839 Speaker 2: go out to Kansas City. Steve, welcome back in How 897 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:38,200 Speaker 2: are you. 898 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:40,960 Speaker 17: Hey? 899 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:41,280 Speaker 14: Great? 900 00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,399 Speaker 11: Good fantastic topic to the you know all the all 901 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:49,200 Speaker 11: the all stars are calling in the Nighthoufs. The reason 902 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,920 Speaker 11: we love Pete Rose is that he's not the kind 903 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,080 Speaker 11: of guy that you want to live live in your neighborhood. 904 00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,440 Speaker 11: The boy you sure have heck one of them on 905 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:03,360 Speaker 11: your team. Your first caller nailed it the Skuy's in 906 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,480 Speaker 11: the Midwest. I was ten to fifteen years old. We 907 00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,919 Speaker 11: loved watching this guy because he would run over ray fall. 908 00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,279 Speaker 11: He did the things, all the things we wish we 909 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,399 Speaker 11: could do on the baseball field. You know, he would 910 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,680 Speaker 11: rather die than lose a baseball game, and you got 911 00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:27,240 Speaker 11: to respect that kind of competitiveness and ability and will. 912 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,719 Speaker 11: I mean, he still gets right in votes for the 913 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,239 Speaker 11: Hall of Fame. And listen, there's precedent for this, when 914 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,440 Speaker 11: when Buck O'Neill lost by one vote, they put a 915 00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:40,239 Speaker 11: monument to him in Cooperstown. I mean, I agree with 916 00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,319 Speaker 11: Bob Costas who says you could put a monument to 917 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,920 Speaker 11: him and say he was banned from baseball. He was 918 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,840 Speaker 11: easily one of the greatest players we're. 919 00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:49,720 Speaker 9: Ever going to see. 920 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:51,480 Speaker 11: I mean, there's precedent for this. 921 00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,359 Speaker 2: They could still some of the baseballs that he hit 922 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,359 Speaker 2: were in the Hall of Fame, some of his artifacts are. 923 00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,720 Speaker 11: To your point, you're there, right, he's already he's in there. 924 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:05,320 Speaker 11: But I mean, he's such a he's such an incredible 925 00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:12,040 Speaker 11: personality and such an incredible achiever that you you have 926 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,520 Speaker 11: to give him something. One other player gets right in 927 00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,120 Speaker 11: votes for for the I mean he has he has 928 00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:23,000 Speaker 11: such an incredible personality and presence. That's why we're all 929 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,960 Speaker 11: talking about it, because we grew up and he's the 930 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,279 Speaker 11: greatest competitor that were we ever saw. I mean, he's 931 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,600 Speaker 11: probably the Kobe Bryant of baseball, whatever comparison you want 932 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,040 Speaker 11: to make to the kids now. So yeah, I just 933 00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,359 Speaker 11: had to get my two cents and Pete Pete will 934 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,360 Speaker 11: forever be remembered, whether whether it's in the Hall of 935 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,960 Speaker 11: Fame plaque or not. Let's just let's just put it. 936 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:49,160 Speaker 2: That way, fair enough. I'm in agreement, thanks Steve, and 937 00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,160 Speaker 2: Steve said he rather die than lose. Well, Pete Rose 938 00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:58,279 Speaker 2: once said quote, I would I would run through I'd 939 00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,520 Speaker 2: walk through Hell in a gas lean suit to play baseball, 940 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:07,160 Speaker 2: and I believe him. Kurt Doug, Steve, Jim, Rob Hank 941 00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,520 Speaker 2: tight We are getting to Alia, and I want to 942 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,920 Speaker 2: make sure everybody has ample time to share their thoughts. 943 00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:16,520 Speaker 2: Pete Rose, what's his legacy? Callers have been sensational so far. 944 00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,680 Speaker 2: I'm Bernie Fratto. We are comedy live from the Las 945 00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,560 Speaker 2: Vegas Fox Sports Radio Tirec dot com studios. 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Kurt in SoCal joined us. 955 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,480 Speaker 2: Welcome back in, Kurt, How are you good? 956 00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,759 Speaker 14: Evening burn heartbroken, heartbroken when I heard that Pete Rose died. 957 00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,359 Speaker 14: And the first thing I'd like to do is give 958 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:07,520 Speaker 14: my condolences to Pete Rose's family for the suffering that 959 00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:12,880 Speaker 14: he had to go through until he passed. Pet Rose 960 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,520 Speaker 14: was a cog in the wheel of the Cincinnati organization. 961 00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:23,920 Speaker 14: What Pete Rose did wasn't baseball's original sin, and it 962 00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:28,480 Speaker 14: could have been treated more humanely because today it would 963 00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:33,680 Speaker 14: have been considered a disease, and maybe somebody could have said, Pete, 964 00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,839 Speaker 14: you know, we're going to have to suspend you until 965 00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:40,279 Speaker 14: you can get some help for what you're doing. Pete 966 00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,920 Speaker 14: Rose didn't fix any games, he didn't cheat to win 967 00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:49,319 Speaker 14: or lose, he didn't accept bribes, he didn't participate in 968 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:54,520 Speaker 14: any conspiracies or scandals, and he didn't shock the conscious 969 00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,680 Speaker 14: of baseball. That's all I have to say. 970 00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,839 Speaker 2: Strevenewell said, Kurt, I can think we can all draw 971 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:06,800 Speaker 2: our conclusions from there. And as I've said over the years, 972 00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:11,280 Speaker 2: if we look at this objectively, after thirty plus years 973 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,799 Speaker 2: and no longer served any fruitful purpose to keep him 974 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,160 Speaker 2: off the ballot, go back out to the phone lines. 975 00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:18,520 Speaker 2: Doug in San Diego. 976 00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:22,479 Speaker 5: Welcome in, Doug Burn, Baby Burn, love your show, pal. 977 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:28,080 Speaker 5: I'm outraged, okay, completely outraged about Pete Rose. 978 00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:29,200 Speaker 10: Of course I was sad. 979 00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,319 Speaker 5: I think I was even more mad. Dan Patrick had 980 00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:38,960 Speaker 5: Johnny Bench on the other morning. He was ready to blubber. 981 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,680 Speaker 5: I can tell you I was blubbering. It's heartbreaking really 982 00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:47,120 Speaker 5: about your prior caller right now. Before it was like, 983 00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:52,800 Speaker 5: you know, baseball, so Sack was saying that, oh my god, gambling. 984 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:59,320 Speaker 5: And now people understand, Yeah, it's an addiction, it's a disease. Okay, 985 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:06,000 Speaker 5: get it, do your head. And the guy did they 986 00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,480 Speaker 5: take O. J. Simpson out of the Pro Football Hall 987 00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,760 Speaker 5: of Fame because he killed his wife and his friend 988 00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,120 Speaker 5: or friend now? And I don't understand. And he was 989 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,200 Speaker 5: in before that. But Pete Rose more than anyone on 990 00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,120 Speaker 5: the face of this earth. The lungs in the Hall 991 00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:21,520 Speaker 5: of Fame. 992 00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:22,640 Speaker 14: Bernie All right. 993 00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,640 Speaker 2: I appreciate the power of your call real quickly. Are 994 00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,040 Speaker 2: you still there, Doug? Okay, that's on me. I should 995 00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,920 Speaker 2: have asked him if he thought the mechanisms would align. 996 00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,520 Speaker 2: But I think I Steve sounds pretty measured, pretty thoughtful. 997 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,040 Speaker 2: I don't think it's in the cards. I don't think 998 00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,640 Speaker 2: they're gonna No one's gonna lift a finger to help Pete. 999 00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:47,279 Speaker 2: Jim and Brooklyn one of the great cities in America. 1000 00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:49,160 Speaker 2: Jim and Brown, you're up. 1001 00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:55,000 Speaker 20: Jim's got some take on Pete Rose. Charlie Hussel one 1002 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:56,680 Speaker 20: of the best pro athletes. 1003 00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,160 Speaker 10: David is all they. 1004 00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,200 Speaker 20: Should have been ductor them in the Hall of Fame. 1005 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,440 Speaker 20: It's a shame. It brought me to tears. Charlotte Hussell 1006 00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:10,400 Speaker 20: passing on vindolences to his family, like the gentleman said, 1007 00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:15,480 Speaker 20: sent on tendolences to his beautiful wife, rex wife and 1008 00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:19,440 Speaker 20: his lovers in the past. But he was gambling. It's 1009 00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,680 Speaker 20: an addiction, like the gentleman said to the other gentleman, 1010 00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:27,280 Speaker 20: I called Jim. My dad was addicted to gambling, cards, women, 1011 00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:32,160 Speaker 20: wild women, many things. But he didn't have my last name. 1012 00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,920 Speaker 20: My last name is Ramirez. I get that from my 1013 00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,240 Speaker 20: mom's first marriage, she was married to a marine sergeant, 1014 00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:44,200 Speaker 20: totally strict, totally structured, hardworking. Are very hard working Mexican 1015 00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:49,160 Speaker 20: who dedicated his life for his life and his family, 1016 00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,440 Speaker 20: his six other children besides me. So I got step 1017 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,359 Speaker 20: brothers and stepsisters on both sides. Pete David is all 1018 00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:57,719 Speaker 20: it brought me. 1019 00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,839 Speaker 2: Do you think let me ask you a question, Jim, 1020 00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:05,359 Speaker 2: do you think there will be any factions that would 1021 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,440 Speaker 2: somehow convince rob Manfrederian Stadium. 1022 00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,560 Speaker 20: That's a possibility. I'm glad you're one of their question 1023 00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:16,759 Speaker 20: because my acknowledgment to that and my analogy, I would 1024 00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,880 Speaker 20: like to say, it's a shame if he doesn't. Yeah, 1025 00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,799 Speaker 20: I think he should lift that kind of man. And 1026 00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,040 Speaker 20: I go back to the reflection of an ass is 1027 00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:31,719 Speaker 20: an addiction. People get help with the addictions. If they 1028 00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:35,879 Speaker 20: could have addressed it sooner and possibly than later, it's 1029 00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,440 Speaker 20: a possibility he should have really got some serious help. 1030 00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,719 Speaker 2: All right, buddy, listen, I appreciate you, thanks for checking in. 1031 00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:47,000 Speaker 2: If you'll notice one recurring theme for ninety five percent 1032 00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,520 Speaker 2: of our calls, there's genuine reverence for Pete Rose. The 1033 00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:54,840 Speaker 2: opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. No one's 1034 00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,799 Speaker 2: indifferent to Pete Rose because of the impact he had 1035 00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:02,200 Speaker 2: on major League Baseball, professional sports, pop culture society eight 1036 00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:06,359 Speaker 2: seven six three six nine. It's emptied out. We want 1037 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,000 Speaker 2: to hear from everybody tonight. Rob in Orlando, you're up next. 1038 00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:14,000 Speaker 21: Good evening, Hey, Bernie, nice to chat with you again. Listen, 1039 00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,160 Speaker 21: everybody knows I P Rose is a Hall of Famer. 1040 00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,360 Speaker 22: I mean, at the end of the day, it really 1041 00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:19,440 Speaker 22: doesn't matter if he's in here. 1042 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:19,920 Speaker 12: If he's not. 1043 00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,000 Speaker 22: At this juncture, you know what, the Hall of Fame 1044 00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,400 Speaker 22: has decided not to put him on the ballot. He 1045 00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,480 Speaker 22: should be on the ballot and let the voters decide, 1046 00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,480 Speaker 22: just as they do with the steroids players, and then 1047 00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:32,880 Speaker 22: at the end of the day, if they decide to 1048 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:33,680 Speaker 22: let him in, they do. 1049 00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:35,280 Speaker 9: If I was his. 1050 00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,720 Speaker 21: Family at this point, I would not want them to 1051 00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:40,960 Speaker 21: put him into the Hall of Fame because I think 1052 00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:45,720 Speaker 21: as typocritical at this point. You know, I mean, he 1053 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,480 Speaker 21: violated the cardinal cent of baseball gambling. 1054 00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,680 Speaker 19: But you know what, Baseball did a lot too with 1055 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,760 Speaker 19: all of the steroid air stuff. So the guy talked 1056 00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,920 Speaker 19: earlier about he Rose, you know, all the money he 1057 00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,000 Speaker 19: lost being out of all of fame. I actually think 1058 00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:03,520 Speaker 19: he made more money by being. 1059 00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,680 Speaker 2: Out of the brother You're not wrong, You're not wrong. 1060 00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,440 Speaker 2: And Steve Harvin and I talked about that, and I 1061 00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,480 Speaker 2: real quickly. You just got a couple of seconds. You're 1062 00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,640 Speaker 2: a big fellow. You think you could happen for him posthumously. 1063 00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,800 Speaker 15: I think it will happen, but it should have happened. 1064 00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:20,480 Speaker 9: If I was his family, I wouldn't wanted that. 1065 00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:24,400 Speaker 2: Fair fair enough, all right, all right, let's go back 1066 00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,640 Speaker 2: to the phone line. Steve in California, Steve with part 1067 00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:32,960 Speaker 2: of California in man, it's pretty big state. Turn your 1068 00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:38,760 Speaker 2: phone down, Bud, Hello, Steve, turn your rig on, Steve. 1069 00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,200 Speaker 2: Let's go back to Steve a minute. We we meant well, 1070 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,160 Speaker 2: but Steve, why are you there? 1071 00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:46,360 Speaker 10: Yeah? 1072 00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:47,800 Speaker 2: Okay, around the air dive in. 1073 00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:54,040 Speaker 23: That's something important to say, really important. You cannot go 1074 00:58:54,400 --> 00:59:00,800 Speaker 23: to a baseball game on TV without having tell you 1075 00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,520 Speaker 23: the over and under and. 1076 00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:08,200 Speaker 2: What since twenty eighteen when pastor was overturning. That's my point. 1077 00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,400 Speaker 23: I know it's ridiculous, and. 1078 00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a bit of a hypocrisy there now after 1079 00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:16,680 Speaker 2: thirty years, isn't there. 1080 00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:19,480 Speaker 24: It's not fair it's. 1081 00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,120 Speaker 2: Not right, Steve. I appreciate you, man. I hear the 1082 00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,360 Speaker 2: emotion in your voice, and it's it's it's well received. 1083 00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:29,280 Speaker 2: Thank you for checking in. I just need to get 1084 00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,160 Speaker 2: to all these callers. I don't want to anybody shut 1085 00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,959 Speaker 2: out tonight. If I have to reopen the phone lines 1086 00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,600 Speaker 2: at one twenty am, again, no one's getting shut out. 1087 00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,800 Speaker 2: We had a lot of great sports fans, a lot 1088 00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,920 Speaker 2: of great thoughts, and we're a lot of texture to 1089 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,200 Speaker 2: these calls. Stephen, Minneapolis, welcome back in. 1090 00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:48,400 Speaker 3: You're up next, Bernie, Hell are you living another Friday 1091 00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,400 Speaker 3: and Saturday night? The first time I've had a chance 1092 00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,760 Speaker 3: to actually call. But the subject, I tell you what 1093 00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:58,040 Speaker 3: I've belt my crying but p Roles Charlie Hussel. 1094 00:59:58,240 --> 00:59:58,600 Speaker 10: He was. 1095 00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:02,760 Speaker 3: He was the biggest intol in my life. I was 1096 01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,680 Speaker 3: never able to go to college and play ball, but 1097 01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:05,160 Speaker 3: I sure. 1098 01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:05,600 Speaker 14: Would have loved to. 1099 01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,200 Speaker 3: I was made all city and school at the regardless. 1100 01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:11,800 Speaker 3: But the head first slide, I tell you what, I 1101 01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:12,640 Speaker 3: was doing it until I. 1102 01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:13,280 Speaker 14: Was forty six. 1103 01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,280 Speaker 3: I was playing softball, but I was still doing it. 1104 01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,640 Speaker 3: Then learned the heck of a lot watching that guy. 1105 01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,800 Speaker 3: We used to play while ball in the back and 1106 01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,040 Speaker 3: we'd pick teams. We got in arguments because everybody wanted 1107 01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,080 Speaker 3: to be I'm fifty six, so this was right in 1108 01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:30,240 Speaker 3: the prime of my childhood. And I tell you what 1109 01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,760 Speaker 3: burn we got in trouble by mom. I said, nobody's 1110 01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,520 Speaker 3: ever going to be the Cincinnati Reds again, you know, 1111 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,720 Speaker 3: or you're not going to play So because we'd argue 1112 01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,280 Speaker 3: about I know I want to be, No, I want 1113 01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,800 Speaker 3: to be because it was basically because of Pete Rose 1114 01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,200 Speaker 3: in a big red machine. But I tell you what 1115 01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:52,200 Speaker 3: the fallow up from it, the gambling thing. Maybe back 1116 01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,360 Speaker 3: when it happened, Sure, if you just would have came clean, Sure, 1117 01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,800 Speaker 3: who knows what writers would have done, their voters would 1118 01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,480 Speaker 3: have done then. But I agree with the last caller. 1119 01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,600 Speaker 3: Doing it possiblesly is almost hypocritical. 1120 01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:06,480 Speaker 9: Y's already, Yes. 1121 01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,440 Speaker 2: Will have that it will it will have that effect. 1122 01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,480 Speaker 2: All right, Thanks so much for checking in. Appreciate your 1123 01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,720 Speaker 2: story there, Robin Dallas. Thanks for your patience. So you're 1124 01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:15,280 Speaker 2: up next. 1125 01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,800 Speaker 18: Hey, Yeah, you know, when it comes to Pete Rose, 1126 01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:27,680 Speaker 18: the whole posthumously argument, it does touch me booth, But 1127 01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:29,240 Speaker 18: at the end of the day, he deserves to be 1128 01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:33,040 Speaker 18: in you know, you look, you look at everything that 1129 01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:37,200 Speaker 18: he did as a player, it is obvious that he 1130 01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:40,760 Speaker 18: deserves to be in all things that there. There's really 1131 01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,800 Speaker 18: no question about that. And you know, at the end 1132 01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:48,040 Speaker 18: of the day, it's to me, it's similar to the 1133 01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,400 Speaker 18: Reggie Bush thing. You know, he lost his husband and 1134 01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:57,360 Speaker 18: regained it that way later. To me, the only regret 1135 01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:00,959 Speaker 18: is that he has passed and he should have been 1136 01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:05,040 Speaker 18: in the Hall of Fame in his lifetime. But at 1137 01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,640 Speaker 18: the end of the day where we're at now, a 1138 01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:11,120 Speaker 18: lifetime ban is a lifetime ban, and his life is over, 1139 01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:16,919 Speaker 18: so he, to me is eligible to be it All Fame. 1140 01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:23,040 Speaker 2: Now that's a diego. I haven't heard. That's an ago 1141 01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,320 Speaker 2: having her Thanks Bud. Listen, we do this every Friday 1142 01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,960 Speaker 2: night Saturday morning. It don't be a Stranger'd love to 1143 01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:32,000 Speaker 2: hear from you again, Poppy John and Missouri sit tight 1144 01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,720 Speaker 2: your ear up next, but first to go to our guy, 1145 01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:36,280 Speaker 2: the chef. A very quick update. 1146 01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:41,120 Speaker 6: Yes, college football action on Friday. The sixth ranked Oregon 1147 01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:45,520 Speaker 6: Ducks stay undefeated, and they do so in dominating fashion. 1148 01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:50,440 Speaker 14: Back to throw, Gabriel time throws and so did he 1149 01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:50,880 Speaker 14: get it? 1150 01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:51,520 Speaker 4: Did he get it? 1151 01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:51,840 Speaker 2: Yes? 1152 01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:52,680 Speaker 1: Touchdown? 1153 01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:53,520 Speaker 4: Don't look at it. 1154 01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:55,520 Speaker 11: Put touchdown Oregon. 1155 01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,280 Speaker 1: Devin Stewart made the catch. 1156 01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:59,720 Speaker 11: It just got a foot down before he went out 1157 01:02:59,760 --> 01:02:59,880 Speaker 11: of this. 1158 01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:00,760 Speaker 10: The end zone. 1159 01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:04,240 Speaker 6: Jerry Allen on the Oregon Sports Network from lear Field 1160 01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,000 Speaker 6: on the call. That was one of three touchdowns, two 1161 01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,720 Speaker 6: of them coming through the air by Dylan Gabriel Jordan 1162 01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:11,960 Speaker 6: James one hundred and sixty six rushing yards as the 1163 01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:15,600 Speaker 6: Ducks now six and oh, including two to zero in 1164 01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:18,440 Speaker 6: Big Ten play in their first season in that conference. 1165 01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:22,400 Speaker 6: Number twenty five UNLV upended at home by Syracuse forty 1166 01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:24,400 Speaker 6: four to forty one, so the Rebels suffered their first 1167 01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,920 Speaker 6: loss of the season. Kyle McCord threehund and fifty five yards, 1168 01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,600 Speaker 6: two touchdowns, and the Orange now for their part four 1169 01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:34,200 Speaker 6: and one on the season. In Houston, gets by TCU 1170 01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,680 Speaker 6: thirty to nineteen, as the horn Frogs now just one 1171 01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,000 Speaker 6: and two and Big twelve play just a couple of 1172 01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:42,640 Speaker 6: years after they were the national runners up WNBA playoffs. 1173 01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:45,680 Speaker 6: The Las Vegas Aces stay Alive ninety five eighty one 1174 01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,280 Speaker 6: win against the New York Liberty, so New York Stella 1175 01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,480 Speaker 6: had two games to one in that best of five series. 1176 01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,760 Speaker 6: Minnesota gets by Connecticut ninety to eighty one to take 1177 01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,720 Speaker 6: a two to one lead in that series. Major League 1178 01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:59,640 Speaker 6: Baseball Postseason, Joe Musgrove gonna need Tommy John surgery on 1179 01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,760 Speaker 6: his elbows, so the Padres suffering a blow as they 1180 01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,800 Speaker 6: began the NLDS against the Daughters on Saturday. Muscrove had 1181 01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:09,000 Speaker 6: to leave the wild Card Game two on Wednesday against 1182 01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,120 Speaker 6: the Brazer because he had discomfort in that elbow. And 1183 01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,800 Speaker 6: then that's gonna start picture code. I singa in it. 1184 01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:18,400 Speaker 6: Tomorrow's game one of the NLDS against Philadelphia. 1185 01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:19,160 Speaker 1: Back to Bernie. 1186 01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:22,720 Speaker 2: All right, Jef, we'll catch you in in an hour. Uh, Poppy, 1187 01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:28,080 Speaker 2: you're up next. Let's talk Pete Rose, Bernie. 1188 01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:30,360 Speaker 17: What I was gonna say about road. 1189 01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,240 Speaker 25: Look, a lot of people are saying this and that, 1190 01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:35,720 Speaker 25: and my SERI is just we can't Jojo money, God 1191 01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:37,480 Speaker 25: can Jojo. He did a lot of great thank you 1192 01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:38,360 Speaker 25: did on the field. 1193 01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:39,880 Speaker 3: He did a lot of bad. 1194 01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:43,520 Speaker 25: Things, right, gambling and always a pitcher. But at the 1195 01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,840 Speaker 25: end of the day, the commissioner is going to have 1196 01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:47,680 Speaker 25: to make a decision. 1197 01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,160 Speaker 26: And like, that's society that we're in. 1198 01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:51,960 Speaker 3: Now, what is my series? 1199 01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:53,200 Speaker 27: I go, Oh, they're gonna forgive. 1200 01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:59,240 Speaker 2: I hope you're I hope you're right, Poppy. Uh yeah, 1201 01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:01,320 Speaker 2: so you you've kind of go ahead. 1202 01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:03,880 Speaker 25: Finish it, and you know, and I was just gonna say, 1203 01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,960 Speaker 25: like on the like old days will say no, no, no, 1204 01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,680 Speaker 25: But now the society, how everything's going like, oh poor 1205 01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:10,480 Speaker 25: him for that? 1206 01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:12,120 Speaker 8: So does he deserve it? 1207 01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:14,960 Speaker 25: I think she does, but you know, it. 1208 01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,520 Speaker 26: All depends what the commission is going to attend the voter, right. 1209 01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:19,960 Speaker 25: Thanks, thanks for I like I was gonna say the 1210 01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:21,960 Speaker 25: last thing, Bernie, I really like the source of the 1211 01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:23,600 Speaker 25: collar thing that he met three Road. 1212 01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:25,400 Speaker 14: And Kip up the great cause callers. 1213 01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:26,200 Speaker 9: Thank you, Bernie. 1214 01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,040 Speaker 2: Thanks Poppy, good stuff and good luck to your padres 1215 01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:35,040 Speaker 2: and of course Poppy channeling the great Tupac Shakur. Only 1216 01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:37,520 Speaker 2: guy can judge me. John and Missouri, you're up next. 1217 01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:38,960 Speaker 2: I don't believe you've heard from you before. 1218 01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,040 Speaker 14: Welcome in, Thank you very much a long time yesterday. 1219 01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:45,479 Speaker 28: I just don't call him a lot a buddy. Mine 1220 01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,760 Speaker 28: and I were talking about this the other night because 1221 01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:52,000 Speaker 28: I'm a big I'm a big sports fan. But everybody, 1222 01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:55,160 Speaker 28: you know, like MLB is gonna keep Pete Rose alcohol 1223 01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:58,040 Speaker 28: of fame. There is this new thing that was invented 1224 01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,400 Speaker 28: since the Commission did that, Like, we're going to keep 1225 01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:05,560 Speaker 28: the Colby Internet and if you type it and both 1226 01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,080 Speaker 28: hit in a Korea. 1227 01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:08,880 Speaker 19: He knows his. 1228 01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:11,600 Speaker 28: Name is always going to come up on top. So 1229 01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:16,000 Speaker 28: it's kind of to me ridiculous that you're not gonna 1230 01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,120 Speaker 28: put him at you know, put him in the Hall 1231 01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:20,960 Speaker 28: of Fame for you know, if his name is going 1232 01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,480 Speaker 28: to be synonymous in baseball for as long as any 1233 01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:25,800 Speaker 28: as long as the Internet survives, and I think that's 1234 01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,080 Speaker 28: gonna be quite some time, you know what I mean. 1235 01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:30,960 Speaker 2: All Right, good stuff, John, I appreciate your perspective. And 1236 01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:34,200 Speaker 2: in a sense, what you're saying is irrespective of whether 1237 01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:38,720 Speaker 2: or not Pete is officially ever inducted, even posthumously. And 1238 01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:40,640 Speaker 2: again there have been one hundred and seventeen Major League 1239 01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:44,760 Speaker 2: Baseball players that have been inducted posthumously. He's still a 1240 01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:48,800 Speaker 2: Hall of Famer in everybody's eyes, right, uh, Nathan and 1241 01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,280 Speaker 2: Texas you're up next, welcome in Hi. 1242 01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:52,120 Speaker 10: Uh. 1243 01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:55,880 Speaker 29: So, without a doubt what I said, the like, he 1244 01:06:56,040 --> 01:07:00,480 Speaker 29: should absolutely be inducted for sure. One of the things 1245 01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,520 Speaker 29: I don't hear anybody talk about. 1246 01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:03,720 Speaker 11: We currently have. 1247 01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:08,080 Speaker 29: A scandal about a gambling deal with show. Hey, Now, 1248 01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,360 Speaker 29: without a doubt, I do understand the fact that it 1249 01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:14,760 Speaker 29: was an interpreter that apparently was doing everything, but he 1250 01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:20,160 Speaker 29: was in implicit So why is Pete Rose boy being 1251 01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:25,000 Speaker 29: talking about? But like the show, Hey, hold. 1252 01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:26,920 Speaker 2: On there, big fella. I kind of made that distinction 1253 01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,040 Speaker 2: in the first twenty minutes of the show. 1254 01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:30,920 Speaker 10: Or I missed it. 1255 01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:35,240 Speaker 2: It's okay. They ruled twenty one B Section two clearly 1256 01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:38,320 Speaker 2: says if you bet on your own team, you're you're 1257 01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:42,840 Speaker 2: going to be You're going to have a permanently ineligible status. Unfortunately, 1258 01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:45,160 Speaker 2: there's twenty five hundred pages of documents and the thing 1259 01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:49,439 Speaker 2: called the dob Report, including significant testimony from a guy 1260 01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:53,160 Speaker 2: named Peters, John Peters I believe his name was, and 1261 01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,160 Speaker 2: he was the bookie who took a lot of his bets. 1262 01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,800 Speaker 2: I mean, there was handwriting analysis, there were betting slips. 1263 01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:02,440 Speaker 2: Peter's called Rose a sick gambler. So there was a 1264 01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:05,320 Speaker 2: mountain of evidence. The Otani thing. We don't know if 1265 01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:06,760 Speaker 2: he was in place that right, But listen, I don't 1266 01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:08,600 Speaker 2: mean to be short with you. I want to walk 1267 01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:10,400 Speaker 2: him in to call him a future show. I just 1268 01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,440 Speaker 2: got to get to all these callers. Thanks Nathan, Matt 1269 01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:14,680 Speaker 2: and San Jose. You're up next. 1270 01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,320 Speaker 30: So my only I'm going to make a really quick point. 1271 01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:23,320 Speaker 30: I understand he did wrong. He shouldn't have gambled while playing, 1272 01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:27,639 Speaker 30: especially betting, you know, allegedly on his own team all 1273 01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,800 Speaker 30: this other stuff. But when I'm listening to the radio 1274 01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:34,000 Speaker 30: sports talk radio, I hear an ad for gambling and 1275 01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:38,000 Speaker 30: betting on spot every five minutes. So that's all I 1276 01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,240 Speaker 30: gotta say. Thank you for taking That's what point, Matt. 1277 01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:42,040 Speaker 2: I hope you're listening. As the old said, I'll hang 1278 01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,639 Speaker 2: up and listen. Look, you're not wrong, which is my beef. 1279 01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,800 Speaker 2: When Pastor was overturned in twenty eighteen relegating it to 1280 01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:51,000 Speaker 2: the States to legalize it, Baseball's benefited from that. Okay, 1281 01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,920 Speaker 2: no longer serves me fruitful purpose. Let's figure this out. 1282 01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:57,000 Speaker 2: Let's figure this out. They didn't want to. They were opstinate. 1283 01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:59,000 Speaker 2: Mike in Texas, you're up next, Thanks for checking in. 1284 01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:03,920 Speaker 16: Hey, what do buceru? Hey, I'm gonna make this quick 1285 01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:09,840 Speaker 16: for you. I do not care all about his gambling past, 1286 01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:12,880 Speaker 16: but I do not think Pete Rose deserves to be 1287 01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:13,679 Speaker 16: in the Hall of Fame. 1288 01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:14,400 Speaker 15: Hear me out. 1289 01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:17,559 Speaker 16: This is the reason why the man had sex with 1290 01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,599 Speaker 16: a sixteen year old girl while he was thirty three. 1291 01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:24,360 Speaker 16: He was unapologetic for it. That is the kind of 1292 01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:28,240 Speaker 16: behavior that should not allow him to be in the Hall. 1293 01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:29,559 Speaker 16: That's all I have to say. 1294 01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,600 Speaker 2: Thank you, all right, thanks for checking in, Mike. And 1295 01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:35,160 Speaker 2: the truth of the matter is Pete burned a lot 1296 01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:38,479 Speaker 2: of bridges. There's just no two ways about it. Let 1297 01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:41,439 Speaker 2: me count the ways. No one can debate that. Joe 1298 01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:45,519 Speaker 2: in New York, Are you're up next? Welcome in, Hi, Bernie, 1299 01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:46,960 Speaker 2: how are we doing good? Sir? 1300 01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:51,559 Speaker 31: I must say I love the show. I really really 1301 01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:54,639 Speaker 31: started liking your show when I explicit to ther escusily 1302 01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:56,840 Speaker 31: on the sety two Dolphins last year or so. 1303 01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:57,920 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, thank you. 1304 01:09:58,680 --> 01:09:59,759 Speaker 10: That's a really great episode. 1305 01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:00,280 Speaker 3: Me. 1306 01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:05,639 Speaker 31: I'm a lifetime Sophie fan myself. Anyways, I have a 1307 01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:12,280 Speaker 31: piece of baseball history that I can't really ever say 1308 01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:16,240 Speaker 31: it was ever happened because I got he Rose the 1309 01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:19,599 Speaker 31: second last home run he ever hit. And Chase when 1310 01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:24,000 Speaker 31: I was a little league got a game and my 1311 01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:27,400 Speaker 31: dad was talking to the chilli's pitching coach and he's 1312 01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:31,479 Speaker 31: told the story about how I got the ball, and 1313 01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:35,680 Speaker 31: he asked if if the Roses meet me or kind 1314 01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:37,519 Speaker 31: of ball mat and he went to do it because 1315 01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,680 Speaker 31: he was in a pennant race at the time, and 1316 01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:46,080 Speaker 31: we're going to be passed by that. So the Philly 1317 01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:48,400 Speaker 31: lost that game and the next game and didn't win 1318 01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:51,720 Speaker 31: the pennant. And I have no way to prove that 1319 01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:53,320 Speaker 31: I have a fear of the ball because. 1320 01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:53,519 Speaker 32: He went by. 1321 01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,160 Speaker 2: Well real quickly, do you believe petersurves to be in 1322 01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:56,720 Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame? 1323 01:10:58,200 --> 01:10:58,280 Speaker 12: No? 1324 01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:02,160 Speaker 2: All right, I appreciate you. Thanks Joe for checking in, 1325 01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:05,439 Speaker 2: and don't be a stranger. We do this every Friday 1326 01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:07,840 Speaker 2: night at twelve am Pacific time, so we call it 1327 01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:14,840 Speaker 2: the midnight hour. But it's literal, literal, not figurative. Brian 1328 01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:16,560 Speaker 2: in Seattle, you're up next. 1329 01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:18,479 Speaker 32: What's up, Bernie? 1330 01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:19,320 Speaker 3: How do you doing tonight? 1331 01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:21,200 Speaker 2: I'm doing well, Thank you. 1332 01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:25,920 Speaker 32: Right on shirt. How do you argue with forty two hits? 1333 01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:31,760 Speaker 2: Well, of course that's a metaphorical question you're asking. It's 1334 01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,960 Speaker 2: a rhetorical it's a rhetorical question because we all know 1335 01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:37,360 Speaker 2: and that's why it copched it forty two to fifty 1336 01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:39,800 Speaker 2: six versus rule twenty one B and everybody's going to 1337 01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:43,400 Speaker 2: be sanctimonious about it. But there's your answer. 1338 01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:47,320 Speaker 32: So you believe he should be in He should be 1339 01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:49,519 Speaker 32: in the Hall of Fame. When you talk about Barry 1340 01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:53,160 Speaker 32: Bonds and in his home runs, there's always going to 1341 01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:55,439 Speaker 32: be a cloud, and he admitted to the cloud that 1342 01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:57,160 Speaker 32: affected his performance. 1343 01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,479 Speaker 31: What does gambling. 1344 01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:03,080 Speaker 32: Effect when it counts to Pete Bross deaths? 1345 01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:08,760 Speaker 2: Well, I can hold two thoughts currently, but apparently the 1346 01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:12,160 Speaker 2: other guys couldn't. And you know they're gonna fall back 1347 01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:15,519 Speaker 2: on on the rule. All right, thanks a lot, Brian, 1348 01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,600 Speaker 2: don't be a stranger. You're always welcome. We'll continue with 1349 01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,880 Speaker 2: your calls eight seven, seven, nine, ninety six, six three 1350 01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:24,240 Speaker 2: sixty nine when we come back, and if we don't 1351 01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:25,639 Speaker 2: get to all you, I'm going to reopen the phone 1352 01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:28,160 Speaker 2: lines at one twenty. This is too important. One twenty 1353 01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:30,880 Speaker 2: am Pacific, four twenty a m. Eastern. I'm Bernie Fraddle. 1354 01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:32,840 Speaker 2: We're coming to a line from Las Vegas, Fox Sports Radio, 1355 01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:35,160 Speaker 2: Tireck dot Com Studios. Keep it locked. Listen to the 1356 01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:38,280 Speaker 2: Bernie Frattle Show on Fox Sports Radio. All right, back 1357 01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:41,479 Speaker 2: on the Bernie Frattle Show, Fox Sports Radio. Wrap it up. 1358 01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:45,599 Speaker 2: On the midnight hour. Fantastic calls. If you couldn't get 1359 01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,599 Speaker 2: in and you want to get in, I will reopen 1360 01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:50,320 Speaker 2: the phone lines at one twenty am Pacific four twenty 1361 01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:53,759 Speaker 2: am Eastern. Let's go to ed here in Las Vegas 1362 01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:55,680 Speaker 2: at thanks for your patience, Welcome in. 1363 01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:59,840 Speaker 14: No problem by Pete Rose. Yeah, as a player, he 1364 01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:02,680 Speaker 14: should be in the Hall of Fame. But you know 1365 01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:05,240 Speaker 14: how the whole story came out how he got busted 1366 01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:08,960 Speaker 14: about his gambling was he had a runner, a guy 1367 01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:13,240 Speaker 14: who had to make the betch for him bookies, and 1368 01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:16,400 Speaker 14: the runner was getting pressured because Pete Rose wouldn't paying 1369 01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:18,240 Speaker 14: off his debt. 1370 01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:21,439 Speaker 2: Story yep, I didn't have a story, and as I believe, 1371 01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:23,240 Speaker 2: the guy was out of Dayton, Ohio. Go ahead. 1372 01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:26,800 Speaker 14: Yeah, that's my whole point, Like players should be in there. 1373 01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:29,879 Speaker 14: But as a person, he broke all the gambling trusty 1374 01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:32,360 Speaker 14: rules in the book and let his man be set 1375 01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:35,559 Speaker 14: up to almost be killed. And that's only reason the 1376 01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:36,960 Speaker 14: only thing I look inthed rools. 1377 01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,120 Speaker 2: Okay, So did you think Pete should be in or not? 1378 01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:40,440 Speaker 2: Bottom line? 1379 01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:43,840 Speaker 14: The bottom line, Yeah, because we have racist Ty Cobb 1380 01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:46,599 Speaker 14: in there, this and that. As player stats he should 1381 01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:48,360 Speaker 14: be in there, all right. 1382 01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:51,040 Speaker 2: Thanks a lot, ed, you know, and you kind of 1383 01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:55,400 Speaker 2: raised another issue. Good point that is, you know, if 1384 01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:58,839 Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame we're only confined to good guys 1385 01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:03,320 Speaker 2: who never stepped a file of you know, life, then 1386 01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:05,120 Speaker 2: there wouldn't be a lot of guys in the Hall 1387 01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:09,120 Speaker 2: of Fame. Greg in Dallas, Welcome, Welcome in. 1388 01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:14,160 Speaker 10: How you doing, Hey, very short and sweet. Unfortunately, I'm 1389 01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:17,240 Speaker 10: going to say I don't believe he belongs in the 1390 01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:20,200 Speaker 10: Hall of Fame. I'll tell you the reason why. It's 1391 01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:23,200 Speaker 10: a Hall of Fame, not a hall of numbers. They 1392 01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:26,040 Speaker 10: want to start a hall of numbers, that's fine, do that. 1393 01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,519 Speaker 10: The second part is is I think if you are 1394 01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:31,519 Speaker 10: going to initiate steps to get him in the Hall 1395 01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:35,479 Speaker 10: of Fame, start with his teammates from the Rids, because 1396 01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:38,080 Speaker 10: I already know Johnny Bench is a hard go and 1397 01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:40,639 Speaker 10: I would like, you know, if they don't pass that test, 1398 01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,080 Speaker 10: if he doesn't pass through that test, I think their 1399 01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:44,320 Speaker 10: writings on the wall. 1400 01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:46,920 Speaker 2: Well hold that thought. Johnny Bench definitely was a hard no. 1401 01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:49,120 Speaker 2: But there's a some other backstories here I don't have 1402 01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:51,439 Speaker 2: time to go into. But there are plenty of other 1403 01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:54,920 Speaker 2: players like David Concepsia and Tony Perez, Joe Morgan, they 1404 01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:56,479 Speaker 2: all want to Pete in and they were trying to 1405 01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:58,080 Speaker 2: get him to be a little more cooperative. 1406 01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:04,320 Speaker 10: Yeah, and again I saw the photos from the day 1407 01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:06,400 Speaker 10: before he died and saw how they were there and 1408 01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:10,960 Speaker 10: Tony Perez. That team was a team. Pete Rose was 1409 01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:14,360 Speaker 10: not a true star on the team. There were nine 1410 01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:17,960 Speaker 10: stars on that team, and that epitomized his team. If 1411 01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:21,800 Speaker 10: there's a team Hall of Fame, he's in. But as 1412 01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:24,799 Speaker 10: far as that goes, as far as messing with fabric 1413 01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:28,160 Speaker 10: of the game a little too much, I gotta say no. Unfortunately. 1414 01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:31,800 Speaker 2: Okay, thanks, Greg, appreciate it. I do take on boards 1415 01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:33,479 Speaker 2: with the one thing. Pete was a major star on 1416 01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,960 Speaker 2: that team. He was sort of the as Reggie Jackson 1417 01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:40,799 Speaker 2: One's family famously said to stir that straw, this straw 1418 01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:43,200 Speaker 2: that stirred the drink as it were Pete one m 1419 01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:46,400 Speaker 2: v P s. He You know, he was a star 1420 01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:50,400 Speaker 2: in the seventy five World Series. He was a keycot 1421 01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:52,320 Speaker 2: in the Big Red Machine. He was a table setter, 1422 01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:56,120 Speaker 2: he played multiple positions, and he was a fan. He 1423 01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:59,400 Speaker 2: was a true fan favorite. What we are dealing with here, 1424 01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:01,880 Speaker 2: and I've kind of kept this tucked away in the 1425 01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:05,320 Speaker 2: seriousness of the issue because we have to we have 1426 01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:09,200 Speaker 2: to really report on this objectively. You've heard me say, 1427 01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,880 Speaker 2: I think it served no fruitful purpose after thirty years 1428 01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:14,320 Speaker 2: anymore to keep Pete off the ballot. But if you 1429 01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:17,120 Speaker 2: go back to June in nineteen eighty nine, and Roses 1430 01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:21,040 Speaker 2: attorneys filed a lawsuit to stop a hearing with Bart Giamatti, 1431 01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:24,160 Speaker 2: and they asked for a judge, not Giamani, to hold 1432 01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:27,680 Speaker 2: the hearing that got denied. And the truth of the 1433 01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:31,200 Speaker 2: matter is Pete Rose and Bart Giamatti did not hit 1434 01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:33,639 Speaker 2: it off. And by that time Giamatti had already seen 1435 01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:36,600 Speaker 2: the Doubt Report, which is twenty five hundred pages, the 1436 01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:39,360 Speaker 2: book he had just shared with you. Ron Peters called 1437 01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:42,080 Speaker 2: Roses sick. Amber said Rose would bet up twenty thousand 1438 01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:45,280 Speaker 2: dollars a day on baseball games, and went on and 1439 01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:47,879 Speaker 2: on and on with a bunch of numbers, and baseball 1440 01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,479 Speaker 2: started to drop bombshells right and left, and people were 1441 01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:54,000 Speaker 2: sort of incredulous as to what they were hearing because 1442 01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:56,040 Speaker 2: he was the hit king, he was Cincinnati's hit king, 1443 01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:59,439 Speaker 2: and he was on trial for allegedly breaking the oldest 1444 01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:04,200 Speaker 2: rule in baseball. And the problem is is this report, 1445 01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:10,840 Speaker 2: which is pretty voluminous, has all kinds of you know, 1446 01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:17,120 Speaker 2: facts and figures, and I who Rose bet with and 1447 01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:21,240 Speaker 2: bookies in New York and Florida the years claims a 1448 01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:24,080 Speaker 2: guy named Jansen told that Rose once owed a New 1449 01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:27,400 Speaker 2: York bookie four hundred thousand dollars in gambling debts, and 1450 01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:31,040 Speaker 2: the FBI taped to call between a couple of friends 1451 01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,599 Speaker 2: of Rose which said that you know, Rose had paid 1452 01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:36,120 Speaker 2: down a huge part of the debt from you know 1453 01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:38,400 Speaker 2: a little bit, but still owed all of it. Then 1454 01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:41,240 Speaker 2: they had you know, the run of the clubhouse, and 1455 01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:44,240 Speaker 2: it just it was one thing after number. It genuinely 1456 01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:49,360 Speaker 2: became death buy one thousand cuts, and eventually you know, 1457 01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:53,080 Speaker 2: a b R GMOI had Rose sign the agreement which 1458 01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:58,360 Speaker 2: which he agreed to a lifetime of ineligibility, not banning, 1459 01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:01,439 Speaker 2: banning ineligibility. I don't even know if Pete understood we 1460 01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:03,639 Speaker 2: was signing. I am not sticking out for him. I'll 1461 01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:05,960 Speaker 2: tell you that right now. All I have said is 1462 01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:09,200 Speaker 2: after thirty years, when you got to twenty nineteen, I 1463 01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:11,040 Speaker 2: don't think it's serving you fruit for purpose. Thanks to 1464 01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:13,439 Speaker 2: all the callers, you were phenomenal. If you still want 1465 01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:15,080 Speaker 2: to get in, I'll reopen the phone lines at one 1466 01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:18,160 Speaker 2: twenty am. But coming up. If you like movies, you 1467 01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:22,320 Speaker 2: don't want to miss the Movie Roundtable. I am Bernie Frattle. 1468 01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:24,280 Speaker 2: We are comedy line from the Las Vegas Fox Sports 1469 01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:26,639 Speaker 2: Radio Taract dot com studios. Keep it locked. You listen 1470 01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:28,799 Speaker 2: to the Bernie Frattle Show on Fox Sports Radio. 1471 01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:34,200 Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio. 1472 01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:37,160 Speaker 2: Well, that's right, you heard the man Bernie Frattle Show 1473 01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:40,040 Speaker 2: keeps rolling right along. My name is Bernie Fratto. 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There's a clear intersection in the world between 1480 01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:02,400 Speaker 2: pop culture in sports, and that's why we talk movies. 1481 01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:05,720 Speaker 2: It's time for our Movie Roundtable. 1482 01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:08,479 Speaker 1: Not one, not two, but three. 1483 01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:16,240 Speaker 6: Amazing sports, it's entertainment, it's good, it's breeze three. 1484 01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:20,479 Speaker 33: Alrighty, So, with the passing of Pete Rose and the 1485 01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:25,479 Speaker 33: beginning of the MLB postseason. Beginning, I decided to center 1486 01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:30,479 Speaker 33: Breeze three around baseball movies. So I'm gonna start off 1487 01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:34,040 Speaker 33: in nineteen ninety four with the movie Cob. So just 1488 01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:38,719 Speaker 33: to keep in line with the controversial baseball players, I 1489 01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:41,559 Speaker 33: am Tommy Lee Jones and Robert wools start, you know, 1490 01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:45,120 Speaker 33: starring the movie, and it focuses on mostly the life 1491 01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:45,920 Speaker 33: and a little bit of. 1492 01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,080 Speaker 34: The career of Ty Cobb. 1493 01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:53,920 Speaker 33: Focuses on sports writer Al Stump and his assignment to 1494 01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:57,439 Speaker 33: kind of just follow thy Cob on his way to 1495 01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:01,840 Speaker 33: be inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame, and just like. 1496 01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:04,760 Speaker 34: And his twenty four year career in Detroit. 1497 01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:08,120 Speaker 33: And so he obviously Ty Cobb had this crazy reputation 1498 01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:10,360 Speaker 33: of being a little bit of like a racist and 1499 01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:13,519 Speaker 33: a violent man, but obviously he was an incredible baseball player. 1500 01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:16,839 Speaker 33: So just kind of a little bit ties into obviously 1501 01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:20,120 Speaker 33: Pete Rosen have all that type of controversy. Obviously a 1502 01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:22,840 Speaker 33: little bit different, but just kind of made me think. 1503 01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:26,320 Speaker 33: And later on some of those events and interactions, I 1504 01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:29,360 Speaker 33: guess were found out to be a little like semi fabricated, 1505 01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,679 Speaker 33: but still was an interesting story obviously not a movie 1506 01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:36,000 Speaker 33: that was going to win any Academy Awards, and definitely 1507 01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:40,640 Speaker 33: have like a few cringeworthy moments and so like, but 1508 01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:43,160 Speaker 33: really good Tommy Lee Jones. I felt like a really 1509 01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:46,439 Speaker 33: good performance by him. So that was my first one 1510 01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:50,360 Speaker 33: and then my second one. You can't have a baseball 1511 01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:53,880 Speaker 33: kind of like Roundtable without Kevin Costner. So I did 1512 01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:56,559 Speaker 33: the nineteen ninety nine movie For the Love of the 1513 01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:02,080 Speaker 33: Game Still also starred John c Riley and Kelly Preston 1514 01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:03,280 Speaker 33: rest in Peace. 1515 01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:07,840 Speaker 34: And Vin Scully was the broadcaster. Yeah, so followed his. 1516 01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:12,200 Speaker 33: Perfect game performance that Kevin Costner and you know, kind 1517 01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:15,439 Speaker 33: of in the in the middle of the team being 1518 01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:18,200 Speaker 33: sold and whether or not he was going to retire 1519 01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:20,800 Speaker 33: or if he was going to be okay with We'll 1520 01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:23,000 Speaker 33: be okay, but he was going to be traded to 1521 01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:26,679 Speaker 33: the Giants, I think so, And it follows his perfect 1522 01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:29,760 Speaker 33: game performance. It took place in a Gey stadium, and 1523 01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:31,880 Speaker 33: then in you know, throughout the movie, it's just the 1524 01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:36,639 Speaker 33: flashbacks between him and Kelly Preston's relationship that had gone 1525 01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:39,839 Speaker 33: through a lot of trials and tribulations obviously as professional 1526 01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:45,280 Speaker 33: athlete happens and so they used some of the cameras 1527 01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:48,400 Speaker 33: for the movie that they actually used during like the 1528 01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:50,960 Speaker 33: MLB broadcast, like for Fox and TBS. 1529 01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:52,680 Speaker 34: So that was actually a little bit interesting. 1530 01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:56,919 Speaker 33: And most of the actors that played baseball were actually 1531 01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:00,599 Speaker 33: professional baseball players, whether or not they came from Triple 1532 01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:03,960 Speaker 33: A or they were you know, umpires from Triple A 1533 01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:07,599 Speaker 33: or Double A. All most like ninety percent of the 1534 01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:11,040 Speaker 33: players on you know, on Kevin Costner's team or that 1535 01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:14,640 Speaker 33: they played against, they were actual players. And so and 1536 01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:16,960 Speaker 33: then my last one, I like all of them took 1537 01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:19,880 Speaker 33: place in like the nineties for me, from nineteen ninety 1538 01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:21,960 Speaker 33: two to nineteen ninety nine, so I did. 1539 01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:22,719 Speaker 34: A league of their own. 1540 01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:28,640 Speaker 33: Yes, So definitely a classic definitely focuses on the All 1541 01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:32,920 Speaker 33: American Girls Professional Baseball League that took place from nineteen 1542 01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:36,200 Speaker 33: forty three to nineteen fifty four during World War two 1543 01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:40,000 Speaker 33: just to kind of keep baseball alive because what World 1544 01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:43,080 Speaker 33: War two had threatened to shut down Major League baseball, 1545 01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:48,679 Speaker 33: and so you know, the story follows this the beginning 1546 01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:52,960 Speaker 33: of that league obviously, with Gina Davis, Rosie O'Donnell and 1547 01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:55,800 Speaker 33: Madonna Rosy o'donnald actually made her acting. 1548 01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:56,799 Speaker 34: Debut in this movie. 1549 01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:59,760 Speaker 33: And then obviously Tom Hanks played the manager who was 1550 01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:04,120 Speaker 33: a little lush. It was half asleep like sixty percent 1551 01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:08,080 Speaker 33: of the time and yeah, like well you know, yeah, 1552 01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:13,759 Speaker 33: and so actually kind of a funny little nugget. Deborah 1553 01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:15,599 Speaker 33: Winger was supposed to be in the movie, but backed 1554 01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:18,160 Speaker 33: out because she found out Madonna had been cast in 1555 01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:22,120 Speaker 33: Oh Wow, so she backed out completely. And then another 1556 01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:25,400 Speaker 33: little thing was Madonna had struggled fielding like ground balls, 1557 01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:28,280 Speaker 33: so her position was moved from third base to be 1558 01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:31,080 Speaker 33: in the outfield. So it was a little bit interesting, 1559 01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:32,960 Speaker 33: and I thought Madonna was awesome in that movie. She 1560 01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:34,759 Speaker 33: kind of provided that comedic relief. 1561 01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:38,759 Speaker 34: So those are my threes. I'll go over and mark Europe. 1562 01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:42,000 Speaker 2: And of course Tom Hanks that was invoked the famous 1563 01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:42,679 Speaker 2: line there's. 1564 01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:46,160 Speaker 33: No crying in baseball, which is so funny because actually 1565 01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:49,559 Speaker 33: we use that in healthcare, there's no crying in healthcare. 1566 01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:52,840 Speaker 6: He also has my favorite insult of an umpire, which 1567 01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:55,360 Speaker 6: I can't really say on the air, but I. 1568 01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:02,040 Speaker 2: Crazy, well you could one time, you know, Okay, Well no, 1569 01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:02,599 Speaker 2: don't do it. 1570 01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:05,519 Speaker 35: No, I personally will not because I got the dumb 1571 01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:06,040 Speaker 35: button too. 1572 01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:06,559 Speaker 4: So there's that. 1573 01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:09,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, don't know that anyway, all right, Mark. 1574 01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:13,639 Speaker 35: So my first one is a movie called Bingo Long, 1575 01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:17,040 Speaker 35: Traveling All Stars and Motor Keys. So that was with 1576 01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:20,160 Speaker 35: your prior Billy D Williams and James Earl Jones was 1577 01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:22,479 Speaker 35: in it. And once again I try to pick movies 1578 01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:25,800 Speaker 35: that maybe Brianna hasn't heard about, So that's my goal 1579 01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,840 Speaker 35: and Breeze threes. So that's my first one, Bingo Long, 1580 01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:33,360 Speaker 35: Traveling All Stars, Motor Kings. And my next movie is 1581 01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:35,599 Speaker 35: Mister three thousand with Bernie mack. 1582 01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:36,960 Speaker 2: Oh. That was a good one. 1583 01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:37,840 Speaker 3: I love that one. 1584 01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:40,240 Speaker 2: That was a fun little movie. Yeah. 1585 01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:43,040 Speaker 35: So it's the basic idea of a baseball player. He's 1586 01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:46,600 Speaker 35: a really great baseball player and he retires thinking that 1587 01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:49,640 Speaker 35: he has the record of three thousand hits. There's a 1588 01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:52,800 Speaker 35: clerical work record, so now he has to get back 1589 01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:56,160 Speaker 35: on the team and attempt to get the three thousand hits. 1590 01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:58,720 Speaker 35: So that's the whole point of the movie, and all 1591 01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:01,840 Speaker 35: the comedy ensues after that. So there's that part, and 1592 01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:06,200 Speaker 35: then I picked, well, I think everybody has seen this one, 1593 01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:11,439 Speaker 35: the Jackie Robinson forty two, uh, starring Chadwick Boseman, and 1594 01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:14,200 Speaker 35: so that's just uh, I think I think every baseball 1595 01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:18,120 Speaker 35: fan might know that movie. But then my honorable mentions 1596 01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:23,479 Speaker 35: Our Major League with Tom Berenger, Rene Russo and Charlie Sheen. 1597 01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:26,840 Speaker 35: But the Cleveland Indians were a horrible team and their 1598 01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:30,320 Speaker 35: owner wants to sell them. But then the team gets 1599 01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:34,280 Speaker 35: their revenge by figuring out a way to win the pennant. 1600 01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:37,840 Speaker 35: And then my last one of honorable mentions would be 1601 01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:49,720 Speaker 35: Bull Durham. Uh, it's like the old Yeah, and and 1602 01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:54,640 Speaker 35: Timothy I'm not Timothy well l lush, I forgot the 1603 01:25:54,680 --> 01:26:00,920 Speaker 35: other a husband, yeah at the time, but yeah, So 1604 01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:03,920 Speaker 35: a season catcher tries to help out the new hot 1605 01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:06,479 Speaker 35: shot pitcher. So that was that movie. So those are 1606 01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:12,000 Speaker 35: my breeze threes with my honorable mentions. Let's go to Kevin. 1607 01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:15,040 Speaker 6: All right, So for me, my top baseball movie number 1608 01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:18,280 Speaker 6: one is The Sandlot and that's a. 1609 01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:19,840 Speaker 1: Movie I grew up with as a kid. 1610 01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:22,320 Speaker 2: If you're that damn dog slaughtering all over the. 1611 01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:25,320 Speaker 6: Right, if you're a kid growing up as a baseball fan, 1612 01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:27,719 Speaker 6: that movie is a right of passage. And it really 1613 01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:30,320 Speaker 6: it not only captures you know, them playing baseball, but 1614 01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:33,679 Speaker 6: how they that friend group all kind of hangs out together, 1615 01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:36,120 Speaker 6: just as how old were they? 1616 01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:38,000 Speaker 2: Kevin share the great movie line that came out of 1617 01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:38,519 Speaker 2: that one. 1618 01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:41,519 Speaker 6: Oh you're killing me Small That one, well, my favorite 1619 01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:44,640 Speaker 6: line in that movie is he's a great a weenie 1620 01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:49,240 Speaker 6: but you know, to them just hanging out his friends. 1621 01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:51,720 Speaker 6: So of course Small's is the new kid on the 1622 01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:55,200 Speaker 6: block and not good at baseball. Rodriguez, Benny the Jet 1623 01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:58,040 Speaker 6: Rodriguez is like the all star kid, invites him to 1624 01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:01,479 Speaker 6: join their neighborhood team. They all grow close as friends, 1625 01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:04,320 Speaker 6: and then of course, when they needed a ball, he 1626 01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:07,720 Speaker 6: goes and gets his dad's Babe Ruth autograph baseball to 1627 01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:10,479 Speaker 6: go play with, and of course they hit it. He 1628 01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:13,040 Speaker 6: hits his only home run that he never expected to hit, 1629 01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:16,559 Speaker 6: goes into a backyard of a guy that was essentially 1630 01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:18,559 Speaker 6: a hermit, and everyone had all these rumors of how 1631 01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:20,200 Speaker 6: a scary old man he was, and then they had 1632 01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:22,519 Speaker 6: this mean dog and they had came up with all 1633 01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:25,760 Speaker 6: these contraptions to try to retrieve the ball, and then 1634 01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:28,200 Speaker 6: it finally occurred to them, after all efforts failed, to 1635 01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:29,720 Speaker 6: just go and talk to him. And of course it's 1636 01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:32,880 Speaker 6: James Earl Jones. He's a blind retired baseball player who played. 1637 01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:36,479 Speaker 6: I think he played against the Yankees, but he knew 1638 01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:39,479 Speaker 6: Babe Ruth and all the Yankee players of the nineteen 1639 01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:42,200 Speaker 6: twenty seven World Series. So he gave him that autograph 1640 01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:44,320 Speaker 6: ball to give back to his dad, to replace the 1641 01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:46,400 Speaker 6: lost Babe Ruth ball that had all been chewed up 1642 01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:49,320 Speaker 6: and slabbered up. And he said in exchange for talking 1643 01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:51,040 Speaker 6: baseball with me once a week. And I thought that 1644 01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:54,080 Speaker 6: was just a great movie, and it really kind of 1645 01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:57,720 Speaker 6: reflected how I kind of felt growing up as a 1646 01:27:57,800 --> 01:28:00,519 Speaker 6: kid watching baseball. It really kind of encapsule a lot 1647 01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:05,639 Speaker 6: of my suburban southern California life. Second movie is forty two, 1648 01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:10,799 Speaker 6: And for what was stated before, Chadwick Boseman great performance. 1649 01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:13,240 Speaker 6: I think that was his first major movie that he 1650 01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:16,439 Speaker 6: was in. Not exactly sure about that, but Harrison Ford 1651 01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:19,040 Speaker 6: had a great performance. And one of MY favorite parts 1652 01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:23,960 Speaker 6: about that movie was not just the movie itself, but afterwards, 1653 01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:26,160 Speaker 6: I was watching a Dodger game and you know who 1654 01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:29,639 Speaker 6: gave a review of Harrison Ford's performance of branch Ricky 1655 01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:33,479 Speaker 6: was Vin Scully because, believe it or not, just a 1656 01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:36,040 Speaker 6: couple of years after that movie took place, branch Rickey 1657 01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:38,680 Speaker 6: actually interviewed vinskeally it was his job interview, and Vin 1658 01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:42,160 Speaker 6: Scully recounted it and said, yeah, Harrison Ford did a 1659 01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:44,559 Speaker 6: great job, and yeah, I know because I was there. 1660 01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:48,040 Speaker 6: And then he recounted his interviews with branch Rickey asking him, 1661 01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:51,479 Speaker 6: you know, are you married? No, SIRP, You engaged? No, SIRP. 1662 01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:55,360 Speaker 6: Going steady, no, SIRP. Then he said get a girl, 1663 01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:58,320 Speaker 6: go steady, get engaged, and get married, and he did 1664 01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:00,680 Speaker 6: it in the perfect branch Ricky voice. I thought that 1665 01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:02,960 Speaker 6: was just a great memory to have and why we 1666 01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:06,120 Speaker 6: were so lucky as doctor fans have, Vin Scully. And 1667 01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:09,439 Speaker 6: then my third movie is Moneyball, just because one, Brad 1668 01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:11,559 Speaker 6: Pitt and his performance and that just made it such 1669 01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:14,640 Speaker 6: a fun movie to watch. And two it really did 1670 01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:17,760 Speaker 6: a great job kind of summarizing what analytics wore and 1671 01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:21,559 Speaker 6: exactly why teams decided to utilize them and what the 1672 01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:26,880 Speaker 6: competitive edge was and all that. And God, Philip Seymour 1673 01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:29,080 Speaker 6: Hoffman and is at Aren't how he did a great 1674 01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:30,800 Speaker 6: job in that one as well. And I just thought 1675 01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:32,760 Speaker 6: it was just a fun movie to watch as a 1676 01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:37,080 Speaker 6: baseball fan who appreciated what front offices do to build contenders. 1677 01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:38,719 Speaker 2: So those are my three. 1678 01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:41,760 Speaker 34: All righty, Bernie, you're up, all right. 1679 01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:45,000 Speaker 2: So I'm gonna start with The Natural, which began as 1680 01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:48,160 Speaker 2: a novel by Bernard Melamo, a famous novel and of 1681 01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:51,320 Speaker 2: course tells the story of Roy Hobbs, the fictitious character, 1682 01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:53,840 Speaker 2: you know, the greatest who ever played. One of the 1683 01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:56,719 Speaker 2: rare movies that uses baseball to actually tell a story 1684 01:29:56,720 --> 01:30:00,000 Speaker 2: about baseball. A lot of times baseball movies are metaphors 1685 01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:05,080 Speaker 2: for some other subject matter. Massive All Star cast, Robert Redford, 1686 01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:09,960 Speaker 2: Glenn Close, Barbara Hershey, Kim Basinger, Richard Farnsworth, Wilford Brimley, 1687 01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:13,800 Speaker 2: and obviously it's a story that holds up over time. 1688 01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:18,080 Speaker 2: So it's a classic classic baseball story. Second one for me, 1689 01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:22,599 Speaker 2: and oftentimes it'll pop up on TV on flipping channels 1690 01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:25,839 Speaker 2: eight min Out, which tells the story of the nineteen 1691 01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:29,439 Speaker 2: nineteen Black Sox, which is the reason that the rules 1692 01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:32,800 Speaker 2: put in place almost killed baseball except for Babe Ruth. 1693 01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:36,800 Speaker 2: They threw the World Series. They were paid off to 1694 01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:39,559 Speaker 2: throw the World Series, and they did, losing to the 1695 01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:44,040 Speaker 2: Cincinnati Reds again. Another massive All star cast, John Cusack, 1696 01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:47,920 Speaker 2: Charlie Seen, Christopher Lloyd, David Stratham right on down the line. 1697 01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:48,200 Speaker 23: D B. 1698 01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:53,880 Speaker 2: Sweeney great acting, compelling writing, and I think you also 1699 01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:56,960 Speaker 2: get a kick out of, you know, nineteen nineteen Chicago 1700 01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:01,200 Speaker 2: with the cars and the clothes and really really pep dialogue. 1701 01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:06,280 Speaker 2: And again it's a chronicles a true story of what 1702 01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:09,160 Speaker 2: gambling and why baseball so deathly afraid of gambling and 1703 01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:12,240 Speaker 2: baseball and it ties into the Pete Roal subject earlier. Finally, 1704 01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:15,080 Speaker 2: I have to include Moneyball because Moneyball is also a 1705 01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:18,519 Speaker 2: two story about how the Oakland A's tried to compete 1706 01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:20,080 Speaker 2: in a league they say is unfair. They were in 1707 01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:24,400 Speaker 2: a minor market. Billy Bean, who you know, sublimated his 1708 01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:29,280 Speaker 2: field baseball career. When Billy Bean signed with the Minnesota Twins, 1709 01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:32,000 Speaker 2: he was going to be the next Bo Jackson. He 1710 01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:36,600 Speaker 2: rose to the major league's foregone a scholarship at Stanford 1711 01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:39,720 Speaker 2: and the truth of the matter is his major league 1712 01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:41,639 Speaker 2: baseball career failed and I don't think he ever got 1713 01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:45,080 Speaker 2: over that, but he became an executive Brad Pitt Jonah Hill, 1714 01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:47,400 Speaker 2: and I think, you know, not only does it share 1715 01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:50,160 Speaker 2: with folks what analytics became and how they were copied 1716 01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:53,160 Speaker 2: and Billy Bean was offered a job of twelve million 1717 01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:55,080 Speaker 2: a year to go work for the Boston Red Sox 1718 01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:58,400 Speaker 2: and use that same magic with money, and sure enough, 1719 01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:01,759 Speaker 2: two years later, the Boston Red Sox won the World Series. 1720 01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:05,439 Speaker 2: Without Billy Bean, he stayed in Oakland and he's still there. Finally, 1721 01:32:05,439 --> 01:32:08,760 Speaker 2: the last thought about Moneyball simply this that it teaches that, 1722 01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:11,280 Speaker 2: you know, baseball is a sport predicated on failure, and 1723 01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:14,639 Speaker 2: that that very in scene when Jonah Hill and Brad 1724 01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:17,640 Speaker 2: Pitt are watching the video, the player who hit a 1725 01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:19,479 Speaker 2: home run didn't know he hit the home run. It 1726 01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:23,240 Speaker 2: was a metaphor Brad, you had a great season to 1727 01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:25,120 Speaker 2: you know, you need to let yourself or Billy Bean, 1728 01:32:25,160 --> 01:32:26,720 Speaker 2: you had a great season. You know you need to 1729 01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:30,640 Speaker 2: own that because it happened. What you did was incredible 1730 01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:33,360 Speaker 2: and the final award was no, we didn't win the 1731 01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:35,880 Speaker 2: last game of the season. So baseball can be a 1732 01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:39,120 Speaker 2: very unforgiving game. So Natural eight min Out and Moneyball. 1733 01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:41,640 Speaker 34: Eight man Out was based on a book. 1734 01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:46,000 Speaker 2: Right, I don't know, it may it may well have been, 1735 01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:49,280 Speaker 2: but it's it's a true story and it's well told 1736 01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:51,679 Speaker 2: and pretty accurately depicted. 1737 01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:53,800 Speaker 33: Yeah, I definitely have to check that out and I 1738 01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:57,160 Speaker 33: think for me, Bullderham was one of my honorable mentions. 1739 01:32:57,240 --> 01:33:00,519 Speaker 33: And obviously The Sandlot. I think that's everybody you know 1740 01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:04,880 Speaker 33: as seeing The Sandlot and can name or Ken's quote 1741 01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:07,280 Speaker 33: like a thousand different like lines from that movie. Always 1742 01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:10,040 Speaker 33: think of Ben Maller that like whenever they're doing like 1743 01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:11,559 Speaker 33: the Babe Ruth, like all the nicknames. 1744 01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:13,760 Speaker 34: It's like Ben Maller has all his nicknames. 1745 01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:19,200 Speaker 2: All right, listen, great job, everybody, great research, great recall. 1746 01:33:20,120 --> 01:33:23,960 Speaker 2: Everybody's a good movie buff. And you know, some interesting 1747 01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:29,800 Speaker 2: thoughts on our movie round table segment coming up. I 1748 01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:33,599 Speaker 2: will reopen phone lines and if you didn't get in, 1749 01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:35,960 Speaker 2: I don't want anybody to shut out. The Pete Rose 1750 01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:38,760 Speaker 2: thing is important. We had some of the most incredible 1751 01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:41,920 Speaker 2: calls we've had in ten months about Pete Rose, and 1752 01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:44,519 Speaker 2: there's a recurring theme any any way you slice it, 1753 01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:47,439 Speaker 2: whether you liked him, hate him, whatever, there is real 1754 01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:51,719 Speaker 2: reverence for Pete Rose. So let's hear from you. We'll 1755 01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:54,040 Speaker 2: squeeze you in eight seven, seven, nine, nine, six sixty 1756 01:33:54,040 --> 01:33:56,360 Speaker 2: three sixty nine if you so desire. I'm Bernie Frodder. 1757 01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:58,280 Speaker 2: We're coming to line from the Las Vegas Fox Sports 1758 01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:00,800 Speaker 2: Radio Tireck dot com studios. Keep it locked you listen 1759 01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:02,599 Speaker 2: to the Bernie Frattle Show on Fox Sports Radio. 1760 01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:08,840 Speaker 4: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 1761 01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:12,240 Speaker 4: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio 1762 01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:16,439 Speaker 4: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 1763 01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:17,240 Speaker 4: listen live. 1764 01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:20,200 Speaker 2: All right back on the Bernie Frattle Show, Fox Sports Radio. 1765 01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:23,080 Speaker 2: Come here live from the Tarac dot com studios here 1766 01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:27,680 Speaker 2: in Las Vegas, a very spirited midnight hour. Occasionally we 1767 01:34:27,720 --> 01:34:30,599 Speaker 2: will do this and make an exception because this subject 1768 01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:33,240 Speaker 2: matter is so impactful. So if you were not able 1769 01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:36,000 Speaker 2: to get in the full lines of reopen eight seven, seven, 1770 01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:40,120 Speaker 2: nine nine, six six three sixty nine. Steve in Los Angeles, 1771 01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:42,440 Speaker 2: you are up next. 1772 01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:50,840 Speaker 24: Hey, Hi, Yeah, I've got a novel idea. Pete Rose 1773 01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:55,200 Speaker 24: is one of the few, probably ten to fifteen such 1774 01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:58,120 Speaker 24: great baseball players that are denied access to the Hall 1775 01:34:58,160 --> 01:35:01,920 Speaker 24: of Fame because of their behavior, because of their transgressions. 1776 01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:05,880 Speaker 24: But the Hall of Fame could have the hall and 1777 01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:09,960 Speaker 24: make it a hallway, the Hall of Shame, in the 1778 01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:14,560 Speaker 24: Hall of Shame, and then tell the whole story of baseball. 1779 01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:21,120 Speaker 2: Well, I think actually there have been versions of that 1780 01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:23,880 Speaker 2: suggested they didn't call it the Hall of Shame, of course, 1781 01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:31,080 Speaker 2: but what you're saying, well, it's funny because based on 1782 01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:33,160 Speaker 2: on field accomplishments, and I know who you're talking about. 1783 01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:35,200 Speaker 2: You know you did you into Rose. I'm sure you're 1784 01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:39,400 Speaker 2: talking about Mark mcgworth, Barrymond, Sammy, Sir Roger Clemens, right 1785 01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:43,080 Speaker 2: on downline, usual suspects, right right, and and so based 1786 01:35:43,080 --> 01:35:44,440 Speaker 2: on their on field accomplishments. 1787 01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:44,680 Speaker 3: Right. 1788 01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:50,000 Speaker 2: However, what has been suggested is that that become part 1789 01:35:50,040 --> 01:35:53,760 Speaker 2: of a wing in baseball where there was the sort 1790 01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:57,280 Speaker 2: of an asterisk wing right where because of their accomplishments, 1791 01:35:57,280 --> 01:35:58,960 Speaker 2: but they never got bolted in, but they're sort of 1792 01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:02,240 Speaker 2: recognized in the Hall of Fame. So you're not You're 1793 01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:03,479 Speaker 2: not terribly wrong there. 1794 01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:07,400 Speaker 27: Yeah, But the shame as a word is really because 1795 01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:11,960 Speaker 27: all these people got caught up in their their rise 1796 01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:14,960 Speaker 27: to same, in wanting to hold onto that same and 1797 01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:17,599 Speaker 27: become even more and. 1798 01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:22,120 Speaker 2: The real question or baseball. Look all right, the callers 1799 01:36:22,160 --> 01:36:24,639 Speaker 2: are lining up. I appreciate you. Steve check in again. 1800 01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:27,280 Speaker 2: Kurt joins us from southern California. 1801 01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:32,560 Speaker 14: Hey, Bun, I was a little emotional about the player earlier, 1802 01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:38,360 Speaker 14: and I just wanted to see if you could clarify something. 1803 01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:41,960 Speaker 14: You know, you said that Rose wouldn't get inducted because 1804 01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:45,160 Speaker 14: they're going to fall back on rule twenty one D. 1805 01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:49,439 Speaker 14: So why isn't there a fallback of rule twenty one 1806 01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:54,080 Speaker 14: D regarding the Astros twenty seventeen seasons. 1807 01:36:55,360 --> 01:36:58,280 Speaker 2: It's not it's not applicable. It's an Apples an Oranges comparison. 1808 01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:00,880 Speaker 2: And the real real, the real issue is Rob Man 1809 01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:03,320 Speaker 2: friend has it out for him, Kurt. He just he 1810 01:37:03,439 --> 01:37:06,320 Speaker 2: just does well at all. 1811 01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:10,719 Speaker 14: Shariness though, did anybody investigate whether anybody in the Houston 1812 01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:16,559 Speaker 14: Astros organization did any wagering? I don't know, especially against 1813 01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:18,040 Speaker 14: the Dodgers in the world series. 1814 01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:20,000 Speaker 10: Who was on the other side of that? 1815 01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:23,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, good question. I got to get to these other callers, Kurt, 1816 01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:26,720 Speaker 2: save that for a future show. I don't think it's 1817 01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:29,320 Speaker 2: a subject's going away. Thanks. I want to get to 1818 01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:32,000 Speaker 2: the new guys, Jim and Ranchi Kuko among the Thanks 1819 01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:33,160 Speaker 2: for your patience here up next. 1820 01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:36,559 Speaker 11: Ain't no problem. Appreciate you taking my call. 1821 01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:39,120 Speaker 26: I may have missed something, but I just happen to 1822 01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:42,160 Speaker 26: turn on your show. It sounded like the argument or 1823 01:37:42,200 --> 01:37:44,240 Speaker 26: the question of the debate is should Pete be in 1824 01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:46,960 Speaker 26: the Hall of Fame or not. I just want to 1825 01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:50,760 Speaker 26: really quickly reference the caller you had earlier tonight that said, 1826 01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:53,600 Speaker 26: it's not the Hall of numbers. It may not be 1827 01:37:53,680 --> 01:37:56,439 Speaker 26: called the hall of numbers, but that isn't that the 1828 01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:57,640 Speaker 26: real reason we get it? 1829 01:37:57,680 --> 01:38:01,640 Speaker 2: You get into the certainly, certainly you're not wrong. You 1830 01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:03,720 Speaker 2: have to have you have to have had ten years 1831 01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:06,720 Speaker 2: in a major league service number one, and you have 1832 01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:10,120 Speaker 2: to have a baseline of talent, our baseline of accomplishment 1833 01:38:10,479 --> 01:38:13,040 Speaker 2: typically five hundred home runs, three thousand and eight seconds. 1834 01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:14,200 Speaker 2: You know, you know, you know the drill. 1835 01:38:14,479 --> 01:38:16,360 Speaker 26: I thank you. I appreciate that. I'm not up of 1836 01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:18,880 Speaker 26: all the technicalities about the rules and everything else. But 1837 01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:21,920 Speaker 26: bottom line, just as a fan of Pete Rose, he 1838 01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:24,400 Speaker 26: had the numbers. He may not be the high have 1839 01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:28,000 Speaker 26: the highest moral character, but his numbers if they if 1840 01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:32,040 Speaker 26: his numbers put him in outside of those other considerations, 1841 01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:33,240 Speaker 26: then the man should be in. 1842 01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:38,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. See, that's the objective viewpoint, not the subjective viewpoint. 1843 01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:45,040 Speaker 2: And it's hard to maintain some subjectivity because if I, 1844 01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:47,479 Speaker 2: if I have a bit of time, I'll read you 1845 01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:51,599 Speaker 2: some I'll read you some excerpts from the twenty five 1846 01:38:51,680 --> 01:38:56,000 Speaker 2: hundred pages of documents and exhibits that that compiled the 1847 01:38:56,040 --> 01:38:59,479 Speaker 2: Final Doubt Report, and it's it's pretty damning stuff. It's 1848 01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:03,759 Speaker 2: just simply John in Tennessee. You are up next, Good evening. 1849 01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:04,439 Speaker 12: Hi? 1850 01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:09,640 Speaker 2: Hello, Hi, how you doing. What are your thoughts on 1851 01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:10,760 Speaker 2: Pete Rose there? John? 1852 01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:15,400 Speaker 13: Well, I've been to the Hall of Fame, pretty impressive place. 1853 01:39:16,120 --> 01:39:18,080 Speaker 3: I think his plaque deserves to be there. 1854 01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:20,719 Speaker 14: Oh, that's just my personal opinion. 1855 01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:27,240 Speaker 2: You all right, I think that's I think that's all good. 1856 01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:31,760 Speaker 2: Are anything else? John, No, that's it all right, That's 1857 01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:34,719 Speaker 2: that's exactly what we're looking for, whether or not people 1858 01:39:34,920 --> 01:39:39,400 Speaker 2: believe Pete should be in. Dave in Phoenix, how are you, Dave? 1859 01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:41,760 Speaker 36: Hey, Bernie, how are you? 1860 01:39:42,439 --> 01:39:44,720 Speaker 2: If your Wolverines could throw a forward pass? I bet 1861 01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:46,680 Speaker 2: you made a better mood. But that's a conversation for 1862 01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:47,320 Speaker 2: a different day. 1863 01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:51,800 Speaker 36: It is, indeed, so on September eleventh, nineteen eighty five, 1864 01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:55,840 Speaker 36: I was at Riverfront Stadium when Pete broke Ty Cobb's record. 1865 01:39:56,120 --> 01:39:59,320 Speaker 36: You were then, In fact, I was there, and earlier 1866 01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:02,799 Speaker 36: in the day I got Pet's autographed on my ticket 1867 01:40:03,120 --> 01:40:06,280 Speaker 36: for that night's game over at his hangout called flying 1868 01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:11,280 Speaker 36: against Tavern. But having said that, I do think, as 1869 01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:14,840 Speaker 36: you said way early on, they should not have removed 1870 01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:17,559 Speaker 36: the writers from having the ability to vote him in 1871 01:40:17,640 --> 01:40:21,000 Speaker 36: or out. So that's one thing that should never have 1872 01:40:21,080 --> 01:40:23,519 Speaker 36: been done. Now should they vote him in or out? 1873 01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:26,800 Speaker 36: As another question? I have mixed feelings on that, But 1874 01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:30,080 Speaker 36: I do think he broke a cardinal rule and then 1875 01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:32,680 Speaker 36: he lied about it for many, many years, And of 1876 01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:35,400 Speaker 36: course somebody else brought up the fact about the sixteen 1877 01:40:35,479 --> 01:40:38,360 Speaker 36: year old girl I was pretty horrible. Whether that's a 1878 01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:41,280 Speaker 36: factor actor or not, I guess it's up to the 1879 01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:45,479 Speaker 36: opinion of the writers. So I really do have mixed 1880 01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:48,479 Speaker 36: feelings about whether he should be voted in at some 1881 01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:49,080 Speaker 36: point or not. 1882 01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:53,599 Speaker 2: All right, fair enough, Dave, appreciate you checking in Again. 1883 01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:55,680 Speaker 2: My premise has always been people say they got to 1884 01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:57,960 Speaker 2: put him in. You don't just put him in. There's 1885 01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:00,120 Speaker 2: a legitimate process, and now it have to go the 1886 01:41:00,160 --> 01:41:03,080 Speaker 2: Veterans Committee. He'd first have to be reinstated. Pete would 1887 01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:06,719 Speaker 2: have to be reinstated by Commissioner Rob Manfred. The chances 1888 01:41:06,720 --> 01:41:11,000 Speaker 2: of that are, you know, are slim and none, and 1889 01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:13,160 Speaker 2: you know, Slim left town or whatever the hell that 1890 01:41:13,280 --> 01:41:18,720 Speaker 2: stupid joke used to be, that's amazing that Dave Dave 1891 01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:21,679 Speaker 2: was at that game. I have a funny story. It's true. 1892 01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:24,559 Speaker 2: Of course, they played the Potterys that night and Eric 1893 01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:27,000 Speaker 2: Show was pitching. Eric Shaw was a member of the 1894 01:41:27,080 --> 01:41:31,760 Speaker 2: John Birch Society and not necessarily popular among his teammates, 1895 01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:35,360 Speaker 2: and of course, God rest his soul shots no longer 1896 01:41:35,439 --> 01:41:38,439 Speaker 2: with us. But my good buddy Tim Flannery was playing 1897 01:41:38,439 --> 01:41:40,519 Speaker 2: for the Padres and behind the batting cage that night 1898 01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:42,200 Speaker 2: he had one of the funniest lines I've ever heard. 1899 01:41:43,120 --> 01:41:45,800 Speaker 2: He went up to Eric Shohn says, you know, Eric, 1900 01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:50,360 Speaker 2: you go through life you always think everybody's rooting against you. Well, 1901 01:41:50,439 --> 01:41:54,439 Speaker 2: tonight you're right, and I think that was probably true. 1902 01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:56,639 Speaker 2: And Pete ended up getting the hit, and of course 1903 01:41:56,680 --> 01:41:59,640 Speaker 2: it was a Texas leaguer into left field. Shaw was 1904 01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:02,880 Speaker 2: so angry he thought leftfielder Carmelo Anthony should have dove 1905 01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:04,439 Speaker 2: for the ball, or should have caught the ball, which 1906 01:42:04,479 --> 01:42:07,479 Speaker 2: is a little ridiculous. They only showed that replay a 1907 01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:09,840 Speaker 2: thousand times. You couldn't have caught that ball with a 1908 01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:12,840 Speaker 2: canoe paddle. And the truth of the matter is that 1909 01:42:12,920 --> 01:42:15,800 Speaker 2: led to an incident in the dugout where Flan told 1910 01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:17,639 Speaker 2: me that they almost got to a fight in the dugout. 1911 01:42:18,040 --> 01:42:21,960 Speaker 2: So plenty of stories Pete rose, his legacy will live forever. 1912 01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:24,519 Speaker 2: And even though I think one of the recurring themes tonight, 1913 01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:29,679 Speaker 2: even if Pete is never posthumously inducted into the Major 1914 01:42:29,720 --> 01:42:33,360 Speaker 2: League Baseball Hall of Fame, of which again one hundred 1915 01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:36,080 Speaker 2: and seventeen other former Major leaguers are inducted into the 1916 01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:39,200 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame posthumously, He's still a Hall of Famer 1917 01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:44,680 Speaker 2: in spirit. Coming up, finally, we'll get to some college football. 1918 01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:46,920 Speaker 2: But first let's go back to our guy, the chef, 1919 01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:47,960 Speaker 2: Kevin Warett with the latest. 1920 01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:50,559 Speaker 6: Yeah, Bernie, we did have some college of football on 1921 01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:54,000 Speaker 6: Friday night. Sixth rank Oregon now moves to six and 1922 01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:56,000 Speaker 6: oh two and zero in the Big Ten after they 1923 01:42:56,040 --> 01:43:00,000 Speaker 6: dismantled Michigan State thirty one to ten. Dylan Gabriel responsible 1924 01:43:00,640 --> 01:43:03,960 Speaker 6: for three of the ducks four touchdowns on the day. 1925 01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:05,960 Speaker 6: He had two of them passing one on the ground. 1926 01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:09,240 Speaker 6: Also threw for two hundred and fifty seven yards, Jordan 1927 01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:11,400 Speaker 6: James one hundred and sixty six yards and his score 1928 01:43:11,439 --> 01:43:14,080 Speaker 6: for the Ducks as again They're now two to Ozero 1929 01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:19,320 Speaker 6: in their first Big ten season in since City. The 1930 01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:22,360 Speaker 6: dreams of a perfect season for the twenty fifth ranked 1931 01:43:22,439 --> 01:43:25,000 Speaker 6: UNLV Rebels has come to an end. 1932 01:43:25,439 --> 01:43:28,360 Speaker 7: Heavy formation, mang and Valari are left in the gun. 1933 01:43:28,520 --> 01:43:30,720 Speaker 7: The snap is taken, give them the quip Hammers at 1934 01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:32,920 Speaker 7: the end zone on second effort, No, he stood up. 1935 01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:36,719 Speaker 7: Now we fighty gimes in Jack Pott McQuinn Allen jack 1936 01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:40,559 Speaker 7: Pott in Vegas. His fourth touchdown of the game lifts 1937 01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:41,639 Speaker 7: the Orange to victory. 1938 01:43:42,439 --> 01:43:45,400 Speaker 6: That was the Syracuse Sports Network from lear Field with 1939 01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:48,719 Speaker 6: the call as the Orange get the win in overtime 1940 01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:52,360 Speaker 6: forty four to forty one. Kyle McCord three touchdown passes 1941 01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:54,679 Speaker 6: and three hundred and fifty five yards on the evening 1942 01:43:54,680 --> 01:43:57,599 Speaker 6: at Syracuse is now four and one and very well 1943 01:43:57,640 --> 01:44:01,000 Speaker 6: could be sniffing a top twenty five ranking, and Houston 1944 01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:04,000 Speaker 6: beats TCU thirty to nineteen. The horn Frogs one to 1945 01:44:04,120 --> 01:44:06,880 Speaker 6: two in the Big twelve, as they were in the 1946 01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:09,120 Speaker 6: National Championship Game just a couple of years ago. So 1947 01:44:09,200 --> 01:44:12,320 Speaker 6: the horn Frogs struggling so far this season and in 1948 01:44:12,360 --> 01:44:14,400 Speaker 6: the WNBA playoffs. 1949 01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:16,560 Speaker 1: The Las Vegas Ace is still alive. 1950 01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:18,960 Speaker 6: They beat the New York Liberty ninety five eighty one, 1951 01:44:19,120 --> 01:44:22,360 Speaker 6: so that series lead for New York still two games 1952 01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:25,559 Speaker 6: to one. Aja Wilson nineteen points, fourteen rebounds of double double. 1953 01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:29,600 Speaker 6: Breon Stewart with nineteen points. Minnesota over Connecticut ninety to 1954 01:44:29,680 --> 01:44:32,200 Speaker 6: eighty one, so they take a two to one lead 1955 01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:36,160 Speaker 6: in that series due the Minnesota Lynx. In Major League Baseball, 1956 01:44:36,360 --> 01:44:39,439 Speaker 6: big blow for the San Diego Padres as Joe musk 1957 01:44:39,439 --> 01:44:42,920 Speaker 6: Grove after having to leave Wednesday's game against the Braves 1958 01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:46,000 Speaker 6: and the fourth inning due to elbow discomfort, The Padres 1959 01:44:46,040 --> 01:44:48,439 Speaker 6: got the worst possible news they could get as Joe 1960 01:44:48,520 --> 01:44:52,559 Speaker 6: Musgrove now gonna need Tommy John surgery on that right elbow. 1961 01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:56,320 Speaker 6: So obviously his postseason is done very well. Could miss 1962 01:44:56,600 --> 01:45:00,040 Speaker 6: all of twenty twenty five as well in the and 1963 01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:02,639 Speaker 6: that's going to start. Code I Singa in Game one 1964 01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:06,920 Speaker 6: of the NLDS Saturday at the Philadelphia Phillies. 1965 01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:10,080 Speaker 2: Back over your burning all right, chef. We'll see again 1966 01:45:10,240 --> 01:45:13,960 Speaker 2: Saturday night with another performance that folks can look forward to. 1967 01:45:14,080 --> 01:45:17,439 Speaker 2: By the way, our thanks to Rapid Radios, the official 1968 01:45:17,439 --> 01:45:21,160 Speaker 2: communication device of Fox Sports Radio, Rappid radios are instant 1969 01:45:21,240 --> 01:45:25,479 Speaker 2: pushed to talk walkie talkies, offering national LTE coverage and 1970 01:45:25,520 --> 01:45:28,720 Speaker 2: no subscription or a monthly fee. Business owners can keep 1971 01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:31,320 Speaker 2: in touch. We'll have to two hundred staff at one time, 1972 01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:33,240 Speaker 2: and it's a great alternative. Do a mobile phone for 1973 01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:36,800 Speaker 2: your kids. Go to rapid radios dot com now for 1974 01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:40,040 Speaker 2: up to sixty percent off and free shipping. Ad Code 1975 01:45:40,120 --> 01:45:45,280 Speaker 2: Radio again an extra five percent off real quickly. You've 1976 01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:47,880 Speaker 2: heard me refer to the Dobb Report many times. Tonight 1977 01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:50,479 Speaker 2: it's all online and you could read it. It's two 1978 01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:54,240 Speaker 2: hundred eighty five pages. It was released in Cincinnati in 1979 01:45:54,360 --> 01:45:59,000 Speaker 2: June of nineteen eighty nine. There were over twenty five 1980 01:45:59,080 --> 01:46:03,759 Speaker 2: hundred pages of documents and exhibit and exhibits, including betting slips, 1981 01:46:03,800 --> 01:46:09,080 Speaker 2: betting records, three purported betting slips that apparently were stolen 1982 01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:13,920 Speaker 2: from Rose's house, and handwriting analysis allegedly said Baseball said 1983 01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:17,920 Speaker 2: there was handwriting analysis that proved that Rose had written 1984 01:46:17,920 --> 01:46:22,160 Speaker 2: those betting slips. There were checks Rose allegedly used to 1985 01:46:22,160 --> 01:46:25,320 Speaker 2: pay gambling debts, and telephone records that showed many short 1986 01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:28,880 Speaker 2: calls just minutes apart between Rose and a bookie and 1987 01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:38,360 Speaker 2: his other bookie. The report said that that indicated gambling activity. 1988 01:46:38,840 --> 01:46:41,280 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I'm gonna do. We're gonna go 1989 01:46:41,320 --> 01:46:43,519 Speaker 2: to a quick break and we'll wrap up the show. 1990 01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:46,439 Speaker 2: And I still got to get to the college stuff 1991 01:46:46,479 --> 01:46:49,400 Speaker 2: ever so quickly. I'm Bernie fraddlew Company, a lie from 1992 01:46:49,479 --> 01:46:52,559 Speaker 2: Las Vegas, Fox Sports Radio, tirect dot com studios. Keep 1993 01:46:52,600 --> 01:46:54,639 Speaker 2: it locked to the Bernie Fraddle Show, Fox Sports Radio. 1994 01:46:56,200 --> 01:46:58,280 Speaker 2: All right, we're wrapping it up on the Bernie Frattle Show. 1995 01:46:58,760 --> 01:47:01,200 Speaker 2: Company liar from the tech at dot com studios here 1996 01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:03,920 Speaker 2: at Fox Sports Radio. I'll get to the call in 1997 01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:06,840 Speaker 2: just a second. But before I go any further, I 1998 01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:11,439 Speaker 2: want to thank my broadcast team back in Los Angeles, Mark, 1999 01:47:11,680 --> 01:47:17,320 Speaker 2: Brie and Kevin on the updates. Excellent job, everybody, another 2000 01:47:17,680 --> 01:47:21,519 Speaker 2: great show for the folks tonight. Really appreciate the teamwork 2001 01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:24,320 Speaker 2: from everybody. All right, go back out to the phone lines. 2002 01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:27,760 Speaker 2: We have one final call on the Petro Saga van 2003 01:47:27,960 --> 01:47:29,840 Speaker 2: in Minnesota. You got the last. 2004 01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:37,920 Speaker 37: Word, Yes, Ernie Roses Damblin transgressions do not in any 2005 01:47:37,960 --> 01:47:40,600 Speaker 37: way compare it to the nineteen nineteen. 2006 01:47:40,160 --> 01:47:44,439 Speaker 12: Black Sox scandal. However, you broad that report, I have 2007 01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:49,240 Speaker 12: not unless he unless he bet on the same amount 2008 01:47:49,400 --> 01:47:54,200 Speaker 12: every game. He had inside information. He knew who he 2009 01:47:54,360 --> 01:47:57,200 Speaker 12: was going to pitch, he knew who he had injured, 2010 01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:01,800 Speaker 12: he knew who the apparents were injured. He had inside information. 2011 01:48:02,520 --> 01:48:04,200 Speaker 12: That's nearly unforgivable. 2012 01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:07,120 Speaker 2: All right, Well, the bottom line is do you think 2013 01:48:07,120 --> 01:48:08,240 Speaker 2: Peach should be in the Hall of Fame? 2014 01:48:11,479 --> 01:48:11,879 Speaker 14: Sorry? 2015 01:48:12,200 --> 01:48:15,240 Speaker 2: No, fair, No appreciate it yet to be sorry, I 2016 01:48:15,320 --> 01:48:17,680 Speaker 2: appreciate your opinion, and thanks for hanging online to night. Van. 2017 01:48:18,360 --> 01:48:21,840 Speaker 2: We do this every Saturday night at twelve am Pacific time, 2018 01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:24,519 Speaker 2: midnight it would be two am your time, I believe 2019 01:48:25,080 --> 01:48:27,120 Speaker 2: in Minnesota. Just to put a capro on this, there 2020 01:48:27,200 --> 01:48:28,800 Speaker 2: are a couple of college games that I think are 2021 01:48:28,880 --> 01:48:33,080 Speaker 2: must see Saturday. And you've heard Cavin's update talking about 2022 01:48:33,120 --> 01:48:39,280 Speaker 2: the UNLV Syracuse game Friday night. Just an absolute classic, 2023 01:48:39,439 --> 01:48:42,800 Speaker 2: forty four to forty one final. This had major implications 2024 01:48:42,840 --> 01:48:45,320 Speaker 2: for UNLV. Had to continue down undefeated, they would have 2025 01:48:45,320 --> 01:48:48,400 Speaker 2: made the short list of one of the group of 2026 01:48:48,439 --> 01:48:51,120 Speaker 2: five teams to be invited. You know, you still got 2027 01:48:51,160 --> 01:48:53,280 Speaker 2: you know, Utah State next week in Boise State and 2028 01:48:53,280 --> 01:48:55,000 Speaker 2: Oregon State, and you had a lot of work ahead 2029 01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:57,080 Speaker 2: of you. But one of the time, as they say, 2030 01:48:57,520 --> 01:49:03,080 Speaker 2: just an epic, epic football game. You know, movies, movie producers, 2031 01:49:03,880 --> 01:49:09,679 Speaker 2: movie script writers, they strive to come up with endings 2032 01:49:09,720 --> 01:49:11,479 Speaker 2: in movies. Right, You can write a great script and 2033 01:49:11,560 --> 01:49:13,680 Speaker 2: a story. It's got a beginning middle, but can you 2034 01:49:13,720 --> 01:49:15,639 Speaker 2: come up with a good end that brings everything together? 2035 01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:18,679 Speaker 2: And oftentimes it doesn't happen. Seems to always happen in sports, 2036 01:49:18,760 --> 01:49:22,280 Speaker 2: almost always. You heard me talking about the miracle by 2037 01:49:22,280 --> 01:49:26,160 Speaker 2: the Mets this past week, and then what happens Saturday 2038 01:49:26,200 --> 01:49:28,560 Speaker 2: night in Las Vegas. Friday night in Las Vegas. It 2039 01:49:28,600 --> 01:49:32,200 Speaker 2: went over time, just just an incredible game. Let me 2040 01:49:32,240 --> 01:49:35,160 Speaker 2: put a kappra though on this DOWD report, and it's 2041 01:49:35,200 --> 01:49:41,759 Speaker 2: public information, it always has been. There were a series 2042 01:49:41,800 --> 01:49:46,200 Speaker 2: of court hearings in Cincinnati in late June of nineteen 2043 01:49:46,280 --> 01:49:53,120 Speaker 2: eighty nine, two full months before Rose was deemed permanently ineligible, 2044 01:49:54,080 --> 01:49:57,680 Speaker 2: and the truth of the matter is even by then, 2045 01:49:58,080 --> 01:50:02,080 Speaker 2: Rose's attorneys said the commissioner's officer that Astros to step 2046 01:50:02,120 --> 01:50:08,200 Speaker 2: aside his reg manager while the investigation continued. And anyway, 2047 01:50:08,240 --> 01:50:11,839 Speaker 2: the whole baseball world, the whole sports world, was focused 2048 01:50:11,880 --> 01:50:17,120 Speaker 2: on Rose in these hearings, and as I mentioned, his 2049 01:50:17,200 --> 01:50:20,920 Speaker 2: Bookie Ron Peters testified that he called Rose a sick gambler. 2050 01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:23,519 Speaker 2: Rose would bet up to twenty thousand a day, bet 2051 01:50:23,560 --> 01:50:25,920 Speaker 2: more than a million with him as a bookie during 2052 01:50:25,960 --> 01:50:29,920 Speaker 2: that period, etc. Etc. And then New started the league 2053 01:50:30,040 --> 01:50:33,120 Speaker 2: when these major trials happened. You know, during the first 2054 01:50:33,120 --> 01:50:38,679 Speaker 2: two days of court hearings on Rose's lawsuit, the national 2055 01:50:38,720 --> 01:50:43,080 Speaker 2: media descended upon Cincinnati and it was Grand Central Station. 2056 01:50:43,840 --> 01:50:46,639 Speaker 2: And on the first day, Doubt and all the baseball 2057 01:50:46,680 --> 01:50:50,000 Speaker 2: lawyers claimed, and this was the first time publicly that 2058 01:50:50,040 --> 01:50:55,599 Speaker 2: they had gathered quote substantial and heavily corroborated evidence that 2059 01:50:55,800 --> 01:50:58,720 Speaker 2: Rose had bet hundreds of thousands of dollars on baseball. 2060 01:50:59,520 --> 01:51:03,280 Speaker 2: And wait for it to cincinninety reds now. This was 2061 01:51:03,360 --> 01:51:06,720 Speaker 2: making a crucial distinction at that time. It wasn't just 2062 01:51:06,760 --> 01:51:09,760 Speaker 2: that Rose who was an avid better on football and 2063 01:51:09,920 --> 01:51:13,000 Speaker 2: college football in the NFL. Everybody knew that, but he 2064 01:51:13,080 --> 01:51:16,840 Speaker 2: not only had bet on baseball, but according to doubt 2065 01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:20,280 Speaker 2: In the baseball lawyers, they claimed during this trial in 2066 01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:24,360 Speaker 2: day two that there was quote substantial and heavily corroborated 2067 01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:26,879 Speaker 2: evidence that Rose had bete hundreds of thousands on baseball, 2068 01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:30,519 Speaker 2: and the reds now. You know why still waters run deep, 2069 01:51:30,680 --> 01:51:34,000 Speaker 2: They run very deep along baseball lines. They made it 2070 01:51:34,400 --> 01:51:39,200 Speaker 2: the distinction there back to Baseball's Rule twenty one. According 2071 01:51:39,240 --> 01:51:42,600 Speaker 2: to Rule twenty one, rules would be automatically suspended for 2072 01:51:42,680 --> 01:51:45,679 Speaker 2: one year if he bet on baseball, but it would 2073 01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:47,639 Speaker 2: be banned for life if he bet on his own team. 2074 01:51:48,200 --> 01:51:51,679 Speaker 2: Whether he bet on the win or lose didn't matter. Now, 2075 01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:56,799 Speaker 2: there was a you know, all kinds of media people 2076 01:51:57,040 --> 01:52:00,600 Speaker 2: who have sat on both. Somehow they managed to be 2077 01:52:00,600 --> 01:52:03,599 Speaker 2: in the court room for Roses trial and the oj 2078 01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:06,439 Speaker 2: trial and the job at a Ramsey trial and the 2079 01:52:06,520 --> 01:52:09,479 Speaker 2: casey Anthony Trill, and they said was this was the drama, 2080 01:52:09,720 --> 01:52:13,360 Speaker 2: just like that media circus, everything right on down the line. 2081 01:52:13,680 --> 01:52:16,920 Speaker 2: The whole country was watching scene and went live because 2082 01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:20,120 Speaker 2: it wasn't just the hit king of the Cincinnati Reds. 2083 01:52:20,600 --> 01:52:23,439 Speaker 2: It was America's hit king. It was on trial for 2084 01:52:23,600 --> 01:52:26,080 Speaker 2: breaking the basically the oldest rule on baseball. And he 2085 01:52:26,080 --> 01:52:28,880 Speaker 2: heard me talk about it been out earlier, right, So 2086 01:52:30,040 --> 01:52:33,920 Speaker 2: this was a major decision that was made and it 2087 01:52:33,960 --> 01:52:38,800 Speaker 2: shook the baseball world when it happened. And in retrospect, 2088 01:52:38,960 --> 01:52:42,240 Speaker 2: you know, more and more and more has has come out. 2089 01:52:42,640 --> 01:52:48,200 Speaker 2: And uh, even though there were there were telephone records, 2090 01:52:48,240 --> 01:52:51,240 Speaker 2: he had two basic bookies. One's last name was Janson 2091 01:52:51,240 --> 01:52:54,519 Speaker 2: and the other was Peters. So there's no way I 2092 01:52:54,520 --> 01:52:57,120 Speaker 2: can do this justice. I'm just giving you a thumbnail sketch. 2093 01:52:57,200 --> 01:52:59,880 Speaker 2: Is that the evidence Baseball had which formed the DOBB, 2094 01:53:00,720 --> 01:53:04,720 Speaker 2: which formed the basis for Abe Bartie Imani's decision. I 2095 01:53:04,800 --> 01:53:07,760 Speaker 2: believe he had a deathbed wish to fae vincident, who 2096 01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:09,880 Speaker 2: carried it on to Bud Selik, who passes a longer 2097 01:53:09,960 --> 01:53:12,800 Speaker 2: Rob Manfred. Manfred just wouldn't even give Rose the time 2098 01:53:12,840 --> 01:53:15,960 Speaker 2: of day. No matter how many times Rose tried, he 2099 01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:19,120 Speaker 2: wouldn't give him the time of day. So my position 2100 01:53:19,200 --> 01:53:24,400 Speaker 2: is still the same. It didn't serve any fruitful purpose 2101 01:53:24,439 --> 01:53:27,599 Speaker 2: after twenty nineteen to at least keep him, you know, 2102 01:53:27,800 --> 01:53:31,719 Speaker 2: off the ballot anymore, allow the Baseball writers to decide 2103 01:53:31,800 --> 01:53:33,400 Speaker 2: and do I think they would have voted been no, 2104 01:53:34,240 --> 01:53:37,320 Speaker 2: But you to allow to at least go to a 2105 01:53:37,400 --> 01:53:42,920 Speaker 2: vote might have been more appropriate. And in retrospect, I 2106 01:53:42,960 --> 01:53:47,280 Speaker 2: think there's been you know, a lot of groundswell of 2107 01:53:47,360 --> 01:53:50,920 Speaker 2: support for Pete, who essentially a people are trying to 2108 01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:55,200 Speaker 2: separate his on field activity versus his off field indiscretions, 2109 01:53:55,680 --> 01:53:57,920 Speaker 2: and Bob cost has said it once a long time 2110 01:53:57,920 --> 01:54:01,799 Speaker 2: ago as well, that if in fact it was proven 2111 01:54:02,280 --> 01:54:05,120 Speaker 2: that Pete bet as a manager, well, all of his 2112 01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:12,120 Speaker 2: playing records and accomplishments and achievements predated his, you know, 2113 01:54:12,520 --> 01:54:17,320 Speaker 2: experience as a manager, So shouldn't maybe they perhaps perhaps 2114 01:54:17,439 --> 01:54:21,640 Speaker 2: you wouldn't compartmentalize that, right, There's never going to be 2115 01:54:21,680 --> 01:54:24,560 Speaker 2: a consensus on this. There's never going to be. I'm 2116 01:54:24,600 --> 01:54:27,599 Speaker 2: secure in the knowledge I don't think Rob Manfred will 2117 01:54:27,640 --> 01:54:30,120 Speaker 2: ever reinstate Pete. And that's exactly what would need to 2118 01:54:30,160 --> 01:54:33,320 Speaker 2: be happening. At the minimum for Pete to be considered 2119 01:54:33,640 --> 01:54:37,160 Speaker 2: to be back on a ballot. It would have to 2120 01:54:37,160 --> 01:54:39,040 Speaker 2: go to the Veterans Committee, and based on what I 2121 01:54:39,120 --> 01:54:42,040 Speaker 2: think I know the composition of the committee and the writers, 2122 01:54:42,520 --> 01:54:45,240 Speaker 2: they ain't gonna do. It just isn't going to happen. 2123 01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:49,160 Speaker 2: But a lot of incredible sentiments and remembrances for Pete Rose, 2124 01:54:49,560 --> 01:54:51,240 Speaker 2: who had one caller who was at the game where 2125 01:54:51,240 --> 01:54:54,880 Speaker 2: he got the hit the past, Ty Cobb, you know, 2126 01:54:54,920 --> 01:54:57,760 Speaker 2: when had an accounter with him at a Bob Evans restaurant 2127 01:54:57,760 --> 01:54:59,600 Speaker 2: that was not too friendly. So it was all around 2128 01:54:59,600 --> 01:55:03,960 Speaker 2: the map but overwhelmingly amazingly because you never see this 2129 01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:05,960 Speaker 2: coming in the midnight hour where the consensus is going 2130 01:55:06,040 --> 01:55:10,680 Speaker 2: to be people believe, on some level there is a 2131 01:55:11,440 --> 01:55:14,440 Speaker 2: world where Pete Rose deserves to be in the Hall 2132 01:55:14,480 --> 01:55:17,600 Speaker 2: of Fame, and they don't have time to go back 2133 01:55:17,600 --> 01:55:22,960 Speaker 2: and revisit that. Now, all right, phenomenal football game Friday 2134 01:55:23,040 --> 01:55:25,600 Speaker 2: night in Las Vegas, which paves the way for a 2135 01:55:25,640 --> 01:55:28,880 Speaker 2: couple of other games that I think are are interesting. Okay, 2136 01:55:28,920 --> 01:55:32,320 Speaker 2: maybe they may not jump at you. The defending champion 2137 01:55:32,440 --> 01:55:37,360 Speaker 2: Michigan Wolverines visit Washington Saturday, and it's a rematch of 2138 01:55:37,440 --> 01:55:40,840 Speaker 2: last year's national championship game. But let's face it, this 2139 01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:44,920 Speaker 2: will barely resemble last year's game between Michigan and Washington 2140 01:55:44,960 --> 01:55:49,920 Speaker 2: because both teams underwent significant roster changes, significant turnover. They 2141 01:55:49,920 --> 01:55:54,600 Speaker 2: both changed coaches, right Obviously, Kaylin de Borr has gone 2142 01:55:54,640 --> 01:55:57,800 Speaker 2: on to Alabama and Jim Harbaugh is now the head 2143 01:55:57,800 --> 01:56:03,800 Speaker 2: coach the Chargers. Michigan is a team that has does 2144 01:56:03,840 --> 01:56:07,120 Speaker 2: not have the any ability to complete the forward pass 2145 01:56:07,280 --> 01:56:10,320 Speaker 2: or throw a forward pass, and I think that could 2146 01:56:10,360 --> 01:56:13,720 Speaker 2: spill trouble against the Washington team that's been not great 2147 01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:15,680 Speaker 2: but decent on both sides of the ball, and they're 2148 01:56:15,720 --> 01:56:17,680 Speaker 2: gonna have a pumped up crowd and by the way, 2149 01:56:18,400 --> 01:56:21,000 Speaker 2: get used to the new normal. This is Yes, a 2150 01:56:21,120 --> 01:56:25,600 Speaker 2: Big ten matchup between Washington and Michigan feels like Washington 2151 01:56:25,640 --> 01:56:27,960 Speaker 2: squeaks out a close one, but you never know. The 2152 01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:30,400 Speaker 2: Ohio State Buckeyes, who seemed to fly under the radar 2153 01:56:30,480 --> 01:56:33,960 Speaker 2: this year, an incredibly prolific offense, no two ways about it. 2154 01:56:34,680 --> 01:56:37,840 Speaker 2: You hear about Alabama, you should hear about Alabama. You 2155 01:56:37,920 --> 01:56:41,880 Speaker 2: hear about Georgia, you hear about Tennessee, not a lot 2156 01:56:41,920 --> 01:56:45,320 Speaker 2: of folks are talking about Ohio State. Well, there are 2157 01:56:45,320 --> 01:56:47,920 Speaker 2: twenty one point favorites against Iowa Saturday, and for the 2158 01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:52,080 Speaker 2: most part they've owned Iowa, and the Iowa offense ironically 2159 01:56:52,120 --> 01:56:55,960 Speaker 2: has been maybe better than the defense this year, and 2160 01:56:56,560 --> 01:56:58,840 Speaker 2: it seems to me like Iowa their offense might do 2161 01:56:58,960 --> 01:57:01,919 Speaker 2: enough to hang that number be under twenty one. However, 2162 01:57:02,360 --> 01:57:04,680 Speaker 2: one of the reasons this game has intrigued is because 2163 01:57:04,920 --> 01:57:08,400 Speaker 2: Ohio State can't afford to stumble. Ohio State travels to 2164 01:57:08,600 --> 01:57:12,760 Speaker 2: Oregon next week for another quote unquote Big ten matchup, 2165 01:57:13,200 --> 01:57:15,360 Speaker 2: and you start to see this survive in advance. I 2166 01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:17,400 Speaker 2: think regardless of what happens in the Hop State Oregon 2167 01:57:17,440 --> 01:57:19,720 Speaker 2: game next week. Both have an inside track to make 2168 01:57:19,720 --> 01:57:21,720 Speaker 2: it to the playoff, but neither one really wants to lose, 2169 01:57:22,840 --> 01:57:25,880 Speaker 2: which is something you're gonna see more and more of now, 2170 01:57:26,200 --> 01:57:30,040 Speaker 2: week in week out. It's not just Okay, we're gonna 2171 01:57:30,040 --> 01:57:32,480 Speaker 2: make the playoffs or not, but it's also this seeding 2172 01:57:32,520 --> 01:57:37,480 Speaker 2: as well, twelve team playoff, which all starts on December twentieth. 2173 01:57:37,520 --> 01:57:39,160 Speaker 2: All right, it's gonna do for the Bernie Fraddle Show. 2174 01:57:39,200 --> 01:57:41,600 Speaker 2: I'll be back on these airwaves Saturday night at eleven 2175 01:57:41,600 --> 01:57:44,880 Speaker 2: pm with all kinds of high jinks, plenty of NFL stuff. 2176 01:57:45,320 --> 01:57:47,480 Speaker 2: We have some excellent guests, and we'll cover it all 2177 01:57:47,520 --> 01:57:50,240 Speaker 2: once again on The Bernie Fradle Show Saturday night at 2178 01:57:50,240 --> 01:57:54,200 Speaker 2: eleven pm Pacific. It's gonna do it for the Bernie 2179 01:57:54,200 --> 01:57:56,560 Speaker 2: Fraddle Show. But keep it locked up. 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