1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Steph. 2 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: I never told you protection of I Heart Radio. Uh 3 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 1: So for this one content warning right off the top. 4 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 1: You probably got it from the description, but we are 5 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: going to be talking about pedophilia and why conservatives are 6 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: so fixated on it. Nothing to in depth, but definitely 7 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: skip this one if that's something that might trigger you. Um. 8 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 1: We've mentioned this recently in a in a couple of episodes, 9 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: and I think it could be expounded into bigger things. 10 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: And we've also talked about it in like in our 11 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: Key one on episode we did also the episode we 12 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: did with Bridget around sex trafficking. So you can see 13 00:00:54,840 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: those for for more context to this conversation because it 14 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: is really interesting and this will probably be pretty brief. Okay, 15 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: So this is something I've wanted to talk about for 16 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: a while because we have heard conservatives bring up pedophilia 17 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: and often wild conspiracies around it for quite some time now, um, 18 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: including recently in the passing of they Don't Say Gay Bill, 19 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: and of course with Q and on and so when 20 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: I was researching for our recent episode, we did on 21 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: sort of an updates of what's going on in the 22 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: lgbt Q plus community and all these kind of anti 23 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: trans laws and anti LGBTQ plus laws. UM. I found 24 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 1: this article called why are right wing conspiracy is so 25 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: obsessed with pedophilia? By Ali breland over on mother Jones, 26 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: and it does a great job of breaking down the 27 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: history of this whole thing and why it wasn't is 28 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: a thing. So definitely go check that out for more information. 29 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: For this mini though, we just wanted to hit a 30 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: few key points about it from this article. Uh So, 31 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: it opens with some context describing the McMartin preschool scandal 32 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: of the nineteen eighties, in which hundreds and perhaps thousands 33 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: of Americans believed that the school had an underground cult 34 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: that sexually assaulted children, drink their blood, use them in 35 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: Satanic rituals, and even sacrifice them based on the claims 36 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: of one woman, despite the fact that there was zero 37 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: proof of any of this. And yeah, this is a 38 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: a pretty clear precursor to Pizza Gate, which, just as 39 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: a reminder, was the belief that elite liberals were running 40 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: an underground pedophile ring under a d C. Based pizza shop. Um. 41 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: The fact that it originated during the presidential campaign is 42 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: not a coincidence. Um, eventually this whole thing led to 43 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: cute and on very similar conspiracy. The McMartin scandal also 44 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: means that while social media does play a huge role 45 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: in the current uh similar conspiracy theories that we are saying, 46 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: it's not the only reason they're happening. They were because 47 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: that's been kind of theories. Social media is allowing for 48 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: this to grow, but it's actually not new, right uh. 49 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: And Yeah, as we mentioned in past episodes, hurting children 50 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 1: is a very easy way to demonize an enemy, and 51 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: you can actually see this again with this whole pro 52 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: life conversation, because yeah, saying killing babies it's all you 53 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: need to hear to know, Oh, they're this person is 54 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: the bad guy or bad person and they have used 55 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: it four years And harming and innocent is one of 56 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: the worst things that you can do. And it's easily 57 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: agreeable that babies in children, hurting them is bad and 58 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: someone who can do that can be seen as bad. Um. 59 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: So that's part of it. But there's something else going 60 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: on here, and it has to do with the anti 61 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: feminist backlash. Includes a quote from Richard Beck, author of 62 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: We Believe the Children a Moral Panic in the nineteen eighties. 63 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: In the eighties, who had a strong, vicious anti feminist 64 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: backlash that helped conspiracies take hold. In the seventies, middle 65 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: and upper class women has started to enter the full 66 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: time workforce instead of being homemakers. You had this Reagan 67 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: driven conservative resurgence, and daycare was seen as at least suspicious, 68 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: if not actively maligned, force of feminism. Uh. And this 69 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: meant that things like daycares as something many women needed 70 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: to enter the workforce, became key players in these conspiracy 71 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: theories since these options for women threatened the traditional and 72 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: heavy crowds conservative family model, the understanding that women were 73 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,119 Speaker 1: not on the same playing field as men and needed 74 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 1: to stay at the home taking care of their families. 75 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: That meant that these daycare schools, what have you had 76 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: to be demonized women You won't stay at home while 77 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: you're putting your child in danger. And just a note 78 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: on that, Like, I really think we could do a 79 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: whole episode on this, because there are this is a 80 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: key and kind of messy thing to talk about in 81 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: a lot of ways, But I just wanted to hit 82 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: these key points for sure, because I found them interesting 83 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: and that this idea is actually quite old, like going 84 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: back to b CE times and things like which hunts 85 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: of the seventeen centuries, but in a more modern ideology, 86 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: we even had politicians claiming that daycares were a Communist 87 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: plot to destroy the traditional American family. President Nixon a 88 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: veto to bill that would have established a national daycare 89 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: system with this very same language. At the same time, 90 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: a divorce rates were rising and people were looking for 91 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: a scapegoat. On top of that, there was the sexual 92 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: revolution and it's backlash, review aid and it's backlash, and 93 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: an anti cult movement all coming together to make this 94 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: perfect storm. Um. Social anxiety in a way to blame 95 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: others to validate your own personal fears have been cited 96 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: as reasons here too, um. And there have been multiple 97 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: instances of gay folks being wronk rely convicted of child molestation. Right. 98 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: I think wasn't this the time and era when the 99 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: whole um subliminal or loss of memory of abuse was 100 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: happening and this quote unquote therapists were hypnotizing giving suggestions 101 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: of who they were being abused by. This is the 102 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: same time, right, and linked to that exactly, Uh, And 103 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: they talked about that in the article too. Um, And 104 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: that's one of the ways it gets messy, and I 105 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: think that deserves bigger than a Monday Mini. But yes, 106 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: it is definitely part of it. Also at the same time, 107 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: and this was jogged my memory was jogged by the 108 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: recent new season of Stranger Things, of the satanic panic 109 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: around D and d um. So it was it was 110 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: a whole thing, uh, and it for us, I mean 111 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: for me. I won't say for us, but for me, 112 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: like if somebody plays D and D I kind of 113 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: laugh about it now, but it was like serious, right, 114 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it's that big conversation that we've had and 115 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: continue to have that brings on this whole level of 116 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: fear and why we again we've talked about it before 117 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: about how misleading it is to have these big sensationalized 118 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: headlines of like this is abuse and this is what happens, 119 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: and obviously this is the only circumstances. It involves the 120 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: devil and children, which, by the way, just a side note, 121 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: what did you think of Stranger Things this season? I 122 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: haven't watched all of it's gonna give me. Don't give 123 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: me a spoiler immediately, I mean, I I liked it. 124 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: It's it is odd, isn't it, seeing that the age 125 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: difference and how much safe grown. And I didn't go 126 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: back and watch the third one, like I pretty much 127 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: remember how it ended, So that was kind of like 128 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: what definitely some interesting things to talk about with trauma 129 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: and perhaps repressed memories. Actually, I do love the whole 130 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: dn D thing. It does one of the things that 131 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: makes me most uncomfortable. It is like bullying situations, right, 132 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: so that that's I'm really uncomfortable by that. I do 133 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: love Um, Sadie Sink and I love Running Up That 134 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: Hill is like one of my top ten favorite songs. 135 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: So I love that it's in like the top on 136 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: the charts, right everybody's talking about I know. I'm like, yes, 137 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: welcome back to the eighties everyone. It is very interesting. 138 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: Was eighties, not surprisingly, was a big time for the 139 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: Stranger Danger conversation as well as dare just saying no, 140 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: there's a lot of conspiracy timing in that of course 141 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: didn't help where we are today with Russia and Russia 142 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: there's so many or uss are all those things, y'all, 143 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: all of those things. Um. But anyway, going back to 144 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: what we were really talking about, which is a little 145 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: bit of the conspiracy theory of all these things. Here's 146 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: another quote from Brayland. Quote. If women's entry into the 147 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: workplace in the latter half of the twentieth century triggered 148 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: deep anxieties about the decay of traditional gender roles in 149 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: the family unit. In the twenty first century, it was 150 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: same sex marriage, growing acceptance of transgender rights, and the 151 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: seeming cultural hegemony of sexual justice agenda. Now think of 152 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: popular arguments for the bathroom bills against transgender folks that 153 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: men will enter bathrooms and molesque girls yes, which is 154 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: the biggest bs we know of. Yep. And I think 155 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: there's also a deep fear around um sexual identities and 156 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: agency of women, girls, non binary folks that's happening as well. 157 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: Just it's not surprising that we're talking about all of 158 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: this during a time we're also talking about women's rights. 159 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: Does go hand in hand, and you know what, for 160 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: better or for worse, it kind comes to a complete crash, 161 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: and at least we're seeing it for what it is 162 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: as Yes, this is all intersectional. They are all linked, 163 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: and it should be noted that we can't have one 164 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: without the other, and with one falling, the rest will fall. 165 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: As well. Yeah. Yeah, and we've I feel like we've 166 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: mentioned several several times in a variety of episodes where 167 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: we've touched on this, um. But there is a lot 168 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: of sexualization of children going on from conservatives when they 169 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: make these kinds of arguments that I find very disturbing 170 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: and upsetting personally. Right. Yeah, And part of why these 171 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: theories have taken hold with so many people too, is 172 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: because of the systemic abuse committed and covered up by 173 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: like Catholic Church or someone like Jeffrey Epstein for instance. 174 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: So those are That's one of the reasons why I 175 00:10:54,720 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: keep saying this is sut a nuanced conversation because of see, 176 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: we don't want to we need to talk about that, 177 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 1: and it's horrible, but it's being used two back up 178 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: these conspiracy theories that have no proof. But you know, 179 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: as a conspiracist to a tiny bit, I think it's 180 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: also a distraction because of these conversations, UM that we're 181 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: not actually going after the true offenders, We're going after 182 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: the imaginary scary offenders because those who are going to 183 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: be prosecuted or could be prosecuted want to divert it away. 184 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 1: Because are we talking about the priests, the teachers, the 185 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: hetero assists, men and women who have been a part 186 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: of this conversation for the longest, those in power who 187 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: have used this to abuse people. No, we're talking about 188 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: marginalized communities who barely have rights to begin with, right, 189 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: um And it's definitely we talked about this in the 190 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: um sex trafficking episode we did with bridget Is. It's 191 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: weaponizing people who actually do need help and then making 192 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,319 Speaker 1: the issue worse and making it misunderstood and all this 193 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: disinformation misinformation around it that is hurting actual people who 194 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: need help. Again, as someone who worked in this field, 195 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: as someone who has seen this field, this is bad 196 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: and we are not helping anyone. And so here's one 197 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: last quote from the article. In this way, pedophile conspiracies 198 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: act as a sort of propaganda of the counter revolution, 199 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: a fun house reflection of the real threats to the 200 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: social order. This is what connects Q and on and 201 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: Pizza Gate to McMartin, to the witch hunts at the 202 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: Middle Ages, to the dawn of major religions. The demons 203 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: may take different forms, but the conspiracy is basically the same. 204 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: Our house is under attack. So I just said that 205 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: was really well awarded because we talked about like identity politics, 206 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: a lot of conservatives are using where maybe either just 207 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: like trying to like rile people up and make them angry, 208 00:12:57,800 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: or make them afraid for their children, or make them 209 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: afraid for their traditional household is under attack, um, their 210 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: values are under attack. And a lot of times, well 211 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: I don't want to say that that's not necessarily true, 212 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: but a lot of times they use it as maybe 213 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: maybe they're not even pursuing a law, or maybe they're 214 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: not even doing it, they're just saying it. They're just 215 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 1: saying it to make a point. When it comes down 216 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: to it, what they're saying is our supremacy because under attack, UM, 217 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: that means there are loss of power, which perhaps should 218 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: not have been so heavy weighted on those supremacists. But 219 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: I find that also interesting because this quote could very 220 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: much be related to just as Aldo's for his reasoning 221 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: for his justification for overturning Roe versus Weight and the 222 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: people he used as historical contexts who very much were 223 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: a part of witch hunts. Literally, No, that's a great point. 224 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: It's it's that's why when I was reading this, because 225 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 1: it's a it's not that old of an article, but 226 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: it says you know, a couple of years I think, 227 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: and I was reading it and I was like, oh 228 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: my gosh, so now we're seeing this thing with Roe 229 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: v waight, like we're seeing this again, like it's it's happening. 230 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: And again, while we say intersectionality is important because there's 231 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: everything we're talking about as especially when it comes to 232 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: current events in the US, it all ties in. And 233 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: that's why we have to be very wary of this 234 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: conversation and then trying to isolate as if it's an 235 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: individual thing. I'm sorry, Tour, this is gonna hurt you too. Yeah, 236 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely, So, yeah, I do want to come back, 237 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: and I mean I don't want to, but I do 238 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: think we should kind of like break this apart more 239 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: and talk about it more because there is a lot 240 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: of it's a lot going on, a lot of nuance. 241 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: But I just I read it immediately and I'm like, oh, 242 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: we gotta talk about this because we've been kind of 243 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: asking this question for a while. We had some theories 244 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: of our own, and I just thought this article was 245 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: really very concise and it kind of a lot of 246 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: like light bulb moments for me. So I recommend looking 247 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: it up and yeah. In the meantime, if you would 248 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: like to contact us that you can our emails, Stuffie 249 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: your Mom, stuff and I Hurt me dot com. You 250 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: can find us on Twitter at moms tof podcast or 251 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: Instagram and stuff I've Never Told You. Thanks. It's always 252 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: to our super producer Christina. Thank you, and thanks to 253 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: you for listening. 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