WEBVTT - Survivor and Surviving the Election with Jon Lovett 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:05.080 Hi, Catherine, coming to you live from my Orca Chelsea. 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:10.760 My Spanish gets good and then it gets worse. It's 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:12.600 so many dips of Spanish when I get here. So 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:14.800 my trip here this time, I'm only here for two weeks. 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:17.279 This time is to not put too much pressure on 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:19.360 myself and to just let I say the words that 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:21.800 I know in Spanish. I don't try to practice them 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:23.959 on my bike rides going wood. It is the past tense, 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:26.239 the future tense. I'm just saying what I know. It's Spanish, 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:27.600 and then the rest I say in English. 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:29.320 Yeah, you know, if you just use the verbs, someone 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:30.400 else can conjugate for you. 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:31.400 That's what I'm thinking. 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:33.720 Or if you start everything with puaitus, which is can you, 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:37.360 then I can just then I don't have to think about. 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:39.800 Any other verbs. Yeah, exactly, you know. 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:42.360 And of course like an aperall spirits or two doesn't 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:44.360 really help with our commands of Spanish. 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:46.519 I wish I could get back into aperol spritzes. 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:49.160 I've kind of like I used to love aperaol spritses, 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:51.479 and I guess I over It's like everything with me, 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:54.120 I overdo everything and then I can never have it again. 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:56.640 I got really into Elderflower Martiniz for a while. 0:00:56.760 --> 0:01:01.120 Elderflower is delicious, and they have Elderflowers Britzes, which are. 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:05.200 Which actually I wouldn't mind having. Okay, right, actually again, Hey, 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:11.200 Brian White, nice joy heir may who not spritz Elderflower. 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:16.480 Our guest today is one of the top five smartest 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:19.160 people that I know. He's a co founder of Crooked Media. 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:21.600 He's a co host of Podsave America. He is the 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:23.720 host of Love It or Leave It, And he is 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:26.000 the co author of the number one New York Times 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:30.280 bestseller Democracy or Else. And he's a contestant on the 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:33.400 upcoming season of Survivor. Please well, and we don't know 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:35.640 who won because it's not out and he can't say, 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:36.360 but watch this. 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:41.880 Please welcome John Lovett. Oh yeah, baby. 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:44.720 This has been a long time coming. Yeah, here we are, 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:45.760 John Lovett. 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:46.760 God. 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:48.640 I was just listening to you in the car on 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:51.000 my way from my anal rectum exam this morning. 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:52.840 I had one of those. 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:55.040 I'm not sure if you've had one of those recently, 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:56.520 but it was pretty demoralizing. 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:59.160 Was that for pleasure? For medical This was. 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:01.440 At a doctor's office. It was at a doctor's office. 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:03.320 I know where you're going with that question, and I 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:05.800 wanted to get out of it. John Lovett, Welcome to 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:06.880 Dear Chelsea. 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:07.800 Great to be here. 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:09.960 I mean, it must be so exciting for you to 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:12.360 be able to add one more podcast to your list 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:13.000 of the things that. 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:13.840 You do for a living. 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:17.680 Listen. I just I spend more time speaking into a 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:20.200 microphone than not speaking into a microphone. I've growing extremely 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:23.840 comfortable in this medium. He's just so happy to be here. 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:25.800 You're so good at this medium. 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:29.440 I mean, nothing makes me laugh on a podcast more 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:32.760 than your comments, whether it's pot Save America or love 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:34.440 It or Leave It. I mean, I know, love It 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:36.680 or Leave It is more comedy based. And you're having 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:38.960 a really fucking good time doing it. I can tell, 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:42.280 and I can hear, and I know you're touring a 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:44.359 lot with the show and you're having a really good time, 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:47.240 especially with this election season happening. But one of the 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:50.600 most exciting developments that's happened to you is that you 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:53.720 were you were on the newest season of Survivor. 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:58.600 Yeah, no, I am. It seems ridiculous, but it's true. 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:02.760 It does seem But knowing you and knowing what a 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:06.519 fan you are of the show. I'm going to project 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:08.919 that you one Survivor. 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:09.919 No, thank you. That means a lot, That means the 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:10.400 world to me. 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:12.760 Yes, I mean I would think that you we know 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:15.000 exactly what you were doing going in there. I don't 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:19.120 think the physical ailments that you're dealing with in a 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:22.320 sort of permanent way, you know, his physical kind of 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:25.560 shortcomings in terms of athleticism, et cetera. 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:28.359 No, And I hear that. Yeah, just so people you're 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:30.720 saying that I'm not athletic, but I'm just sort of 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:34.720 an awkward kind of yes, careening jew barely able to 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:36.560 walk one foot in front of the other, let alone 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:38.080 balance and jump and so. 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:41.040 And then I think what you lack in your physical 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:42.920 prowess you make up intellectually. 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:45.040 So I don't really feel like it's a shortcoming. 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:47.880 I would think if you do as well as I 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:50.400 think you will have done during Survivor. And this, by 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:51.920 the way, will be the first, yes, the season of 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:53.800 Survivor that I watch, because I'm going to have to 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:54.200 watch you. 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:57.760 I think what you lack in the physicality, you are. 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:00.120 Goodes during gesturing vaguely. 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:04.600 And direct, so you can't say anything about Survivor right, No, 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:05.640 I can't say a thing. 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:07.680 Did you want to say it was a positive experience? 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:10.680 It was. I'm glad I did it. It was a 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:16.719 fascinating experience. I learned a lot, and I am excited 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:17.960 and nervous for people to see it. 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:21.120 Did you lose any weight during Survivor? 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:23.719 That's always the most fascinating aspect to me of the 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:26.320 weight watching the weight loss transition. 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:29.680 Well, so I will say two things. First of all, 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:31.920 I am not going to answer, because I do believe 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:34.920 that is a clue information I see. But I will 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:43.640 say that Munjaro does prepare one for the experience. 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:47.040 But you can only you couldn't take the Manjaro with you, right, 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:50.719 You could only do it before you left, right, theoretically. 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.840 Theoretically theoretically, but who knows what the new rules of 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:54.400 Survivor are. 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:55.560 Maybe they let you bring that. 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:57.800 That's actually probably pretty good for the contestants, but it 0:04:57.800 --> 0:04:59.640 probably defeats the purpose anyway. 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:00.920 So we can't talk about that. 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:02.720 Then, let's talk about what you missed while you were 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:05.840 on Survivor, Which were a couple of big political moments. 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:10.320 Which political moment are you most upset about missing or 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:11.599 are you happy that you missed it. 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:16.359 So Trump conviction was obviously a very big deal. 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:17.839 It feels like six years ago. 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:21.560 Now, it feels like forever ago. We've completely moved on. 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:25.360 But the story that was to me the most shocking 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:29.320 to have just completely missed was the fact that Samuel 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:35.520 Alito and his wife were flying these insurrectionist right wing flags. 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:38.240 I believe it. They're beach house and it was like 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:41.560 a it was like a short lived news cycle. But 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:45.279 the idea that a Supreme Court justice is like connecting 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:49.600 himself with that sort of awful group of people. And 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:53.280 the fact that he claimed that it wasn't his flag 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:56.280 but it was his wife's flag. So he's saying that 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:57.800 in front of his house there is a I guess 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:04.680 a flagpole, which again read but you know, listen, what 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:06.599 are we doing? Are we doing a morning bugle? What 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.560 are we doing here? But then he's claiming that it 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.240 wasn't his flag, it was his wife's flag. That's not 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:16.120 how flags work. If there's a flag bowl in front 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:18.720 of your house and there's a flag waving on it, 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:21.600 that flag speaks for you. That's the nature of flags. 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:23.280 They're not per person. 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:26.680 Great point, absolutely, it don't send specific messages. It's not 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:28.640 his and hers flags, right. 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:31.160 Yes, And it wasn't just one of their houses, it 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:32.480 was two of their houses. 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:33.800 So two of their houses. 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:37.520 Yeah, So okay, as if that's not a family discussion. 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:40.600 When somebody's hoisting a fucking flag up in front of 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:42.560 your house, you're like, oh, like if you put up 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:44.880 a KKK flag And I came home and I completely 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:47.839 disagreed with that and didn't say anything to Doug, my dog, 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:50.760 who hung it. That's not realistic at all to be like, oh, 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:52.120 I guess that's there now. 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:54.400 The Supreme Court will never cease to amaze me. The 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:55.520 current Supreme Court. 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.400 I have this ideation that it's going to change in 0:06:58.440 --> 0:06:58.960 the future. 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:00.240 I have fantasies about. 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.040 What will happen to the Supreme Court if we get 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:03.080 the right people elected. 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:05.600 How are you finding this election season, John. 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:13.720 Well So a lot of twist and turns. It is like, 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:18.800 we have never lived through an election like this before. 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:20.920 I know, we said that in twenty sixteen, we said 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:23.320 that in twenty twenty. They've all been unique in their 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:28.200 own special way. But the fact that what sixty days 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:33.320 ago or so, Joe Biden was still the nominee and 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:37.480 we all felt like we were slowly marching towards the 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:41.320 edge of a cliff and with no hope of stopping ourselves. 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:45.520 And then there's an assassination attempt. There is the most 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:48.679 consequential debate any of us have ever seen in our lifetime. 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:51.920 No debate has ever mattered more. Then there is this 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:56.280 several week period of staring into an abyss, of truly 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:59.120 coming to believe that Donald Trump would win, while everyone 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:02.080 collectively I hope that Joe Biden would do what was 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:05.040 in the best interest of Democrats and the country and 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:07.840 listen to the better angels of his nature than he does. 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:12.040 Then Kamala Harris comes out of the gate as like 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:18.600 a fully formed, ready to go national nominee for presidential ticket, 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:23.400 an extraordinary talent and skill and confidence and self resolved 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.560 to stand up and carry this mantle, even though she 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:29.200 hadn't had the year and a half that most candidates 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:33.240 would have had, and is taking this pressure and responding 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:36.040 so well to it better than I think. There are 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:37.920 people that are critical of Kamala Harris. I've been critical 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:40.120 of Kamala Harris in the past, but I don't even 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:44.640 think her biggest fans could have predicted how ready and 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:47.960 capable and up to this challenge she would be, how 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:50.679 much she would rise to the occasion. And then on 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:53.480 top of all that, we go through this extraordinary change. 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:57.080 There's this incredible momentum, there's this incredible enthusiasm, and the 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:00.960 polls are still fucking tied. So we head into this 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.320 election feeling like the wind is at our backs. And 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:06.400 yet we all have to recognize that the vibes are good, 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:09.760 the enthusiasm is good, but we could lose this election. 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:12.440 And that can keep you up at night. Maybe it should, 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:15.360 But the more important thing is how we respond to 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:19.240 it in this next what eight weeks to make sure 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:21.840 we do everything we can because no matter how whether 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:24.000 they'll be good polls or bad polls, like we should 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:26.400 just assume that we are down by a quarter of 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:27.360 a point everywhere. 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:29.800 Yeah, well, what would you suggest to those people that 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:31.880 are listening? I know I have a lot of listeners 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:33.720 who don't feel like they have a platform big enough 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:37.120 to do anything. And what would you suggest, canvassing your neighborhoods, 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:38.319 canvassing the states? What? 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.520 So? First of all, if you've donated even like five 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:44.320 dollars to a Democrat, somewhere in America, you're being dluged 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.199 with text messages asking you for more money. Some of 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:48.720 the texts are reel, some of them you don't know 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:51.560 if they're real. At a time when people don't really 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.760 trust the news and they don't really trust politicians, friends 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:58.360 and neighbors matter more than they have ever mattered before. 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:01.439 So there's I would say read big things people can do. 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:04.840 One is they can donate campaigns need to be up 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:08.040 on the air, especially in the home stretch. 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Sign up, 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:47.440 we will we will help you through this. 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:49.920 Yeah, And I feel like, you know, as a woman, 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:52.800 I just feel like this one single issue is probably 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:54.600 the most paramount issue for women. 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:58.240 Whether or not you care or you're not enthused. 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:00.920 About Kamala Harris, if you have that kind of attitude, 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:03.959 like I'm not sure, it's like we're voting about our 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:07.040 reproductive rights, Like that is the most important single issue 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:09.400 I can think of that is going to affect the 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:13.040 next five generations of people and so on. If you 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:15.520 can't think of anything that you care enough about to 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:17.840 get you to the ballot, think about your fucking rights 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:20.800 as a woman, Like how could you possibly say I'm 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.120 gonna sit this election out when that's on the ballot. 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:25.679 That's unconscionable. And even for the men in my. 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:28.400 Family, Like I like what you're saying, John, Obviously, it's 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:30.080 you know, you have to be open and be able 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:32.040 to talk to people who disagree with you. In a 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:35.640 way that is deferential to all people involved. But I 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:37.560 have a nephew who was asking to come to one 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:40.280 of my Vegas residency dates and wanted to come on 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:42.040 the private plane. And I was like, well, you know, 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:44.839 he airs towards being conservative. I'm like, first of all, 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:47.599 you're not old enough. He's like, I'm fiscally conservative. I'm like, 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:49.960 you don't make enough money to be fiscally conservative, and 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:52.160 you're not old enough to be fiscally conservative, so please 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:54.360 stop that. And he's like, can I come to this, 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:56.720 you know, November second date in Vegas. I said, well, 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:58.720 it depends who you're voting for, you know, like, and 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:01.560 he goes, come on, really, no, No, really, the person 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:05.520 who is providing you with this time and this opportunity 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:08.720 and all of the other fucking five star vacations you've 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:10.920 been on in your life were given to you by 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:13.079 somebody who had the right to choose, and who have 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:15.520 the right to pursue her dreams and go after what 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:17.920 she wanted to in life. And you cannot disregard that, 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:20.320 because I think a lot of young guys seem to 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:22.880 forget about all the women in their lives and how 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:24.679 important of a decision that this is. 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:25.240 So. 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:28.120 I know there's not a lot of straight men listening 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:30.800 to this podcast, but for the gay men and for 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:33.200 the women out here, please make sure the men and 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:36.520 your family are aware of how damaging this is and 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:40.000 how important this is. Because you can't have a debate 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.520 about all these issues. It just doesn't work, you know. 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:45.440 Then you go back and forth about Ukraine, about Gaza, 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:48.640 about this and about that, and these are unwinnable topics 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:51.760 and arguments. But the right for a female to choose 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:53.280 is not an unwinnable argument. 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:56.559 No, and most people agree, and most people understand that. 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:58.600 I think. Look, I think for the typical person, if 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:00.760 you're listening to this and you're one, well, I can't 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:03.800 hang a private jet flight over the head of my relative. 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:06.720 Is there something else I could do? Thankfully? Yes, you 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.320 don't need a private jet to do the persuasion work. 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:11.640 I mean it helps, Chelsea knows it helps. 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.480 Yeah, It's all I've got basically to you know what 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:14.839 I mean. 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:18.240 I do think there's something like interesting right now, Like 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:21.160 there's a New Times poll that came out shows what 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:23.360 polls have been showing for a long time. There's just 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:27.160 this big gender gap that women by a big majority 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:29.960 are going to vote for Kamala Harrison and men are 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:32.200 going to vote for Donald Trump. That's been true. That 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:34.200 was true in twenty twenty, that was true in twenty sixteen. 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:37.200 I do think that like there's a missing part of 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:41.280 this debate where it's like like Trump pretends he's very masculine, 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:44.480 like he's some like you know, big tough guys. Obviously 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:46.560 not true. I do you think there's like an argument 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:49.160 that we need to be making two men that's about 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:51.720 like if you believe and like you can have a 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:54.720 problem with the gender politics of this, you can wonder 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:57.280 if this is like the best way to think about it. Whatever. 0:14:57.640 --> 0:14:59.120 There are a lot of men out there that take 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:00.640 a lot of pride and believe they are going to 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:03.640 protect women, like that they're protectors and that like they're 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:07.120 going to protect the women in their lives. And to me, like, 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:10.560 I do think there's an argument worth making to the 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:14.160 men in your life that's like, Hey, you believe in 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.280 being tough, you believe in being strong, you believe in 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:19.040 protecting women. If you want to stand in front of 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.680 the women in your life and help them and support 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:23.960 them and protect them from the world. The way you 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.000 do that is by voting for Kamala Harris, Like women 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:28.800 need you to be their protectors in this election. And 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:30.360 I do think there's a lot of men out there 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:33.080 that feel a little bit like there's a reason right 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:36.280 wingers are using trans issues and gender issues to try 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:38.400 to bring young men into the tent, because I do 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:40.960 think we spend a lot of time talking about like 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:44.520 toxic masculinity and not enough time talking about positive examples 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:47.600 of masculinity. And if people don't feel comfortable inside of 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:49.240 a movement, if they don't feel welcome, if they feel 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:51.280 a bit confused about what their place is, I think 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:53.240 that leaves them vulnerable to the right. And I think 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:56.560 saying to like young men, like hey, come on in, 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:59.000 like we actually need your help. If you want to 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:00.520 show what it means to be a man, this is 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:01.960 what it means to be a man right now. I 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:03.800 mean standing with the women in your life and doing 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:04.280 what they need. 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:05.480 I love that. I love that. 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:07.120 I'm going to text that to my nephew as soon 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:09.840 as we're done on this podcast today. 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:10.400 See if it works. 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:12.040 I have a personal question for you, John. 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:14.600 I know that you are so busy and you're flying 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.360 around and you're always recording podcasts and you're always and 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:18.680 I could tell when I listened to Love It or 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:22.520 Leavia that you write a lot beforehand. How do you 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:26.720 keep your stamina up and your brain cells firing? 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:29.040 So, first of all, love to re leave it. We 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:32.480 have these incredible comedy writers, Hallie Keefer, Sarah Lazarus, a 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:35.320 great team of writers, great producers that kind of make 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:37.840 sure that the show stays on the rails and that 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:40.160 I can plug in and do a fair amount of 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:43.680 writing on Tuesdays before we record the Tuesday show, and 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:46.040 then a lot of the day Thursday before we record 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:48.480 the Thursday show. But like, I really do rely on them, 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:51.240 and there are definitely days where I'll go to Sarah 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:53.280 and Hallie and be like, you got to just hand 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:55.200 me the show right now. Like I did as much 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:57.320 as I could, but I am fully we were on 0:16:57.360 --> 0:16:59.400 the road and I'm tired, and like I'm We've spent 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:02.560 years working together and they really understand the voice of 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:04.520 the show and so I can really trust them. And 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:06.000 I couldn't do it without a group of people that 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:09.120 I really trust. I really worry that, like I could 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:11.480 do this indefinitely, but I think it's sort of a 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:15.120 larger example of like the way Twitter breaks people's brains, 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:18.680 because if you're thinking in little, tiny increments all the time, 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:22.320 you can have smart, funny thoughts to share, but they're 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:24.840 not going to be that new. You're not going to synthesize, 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:27.560 You're not going to be able to step back and 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:30.320 like really take a look at what's happening right Like 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:33.679 you can like kind of deal with your bit like 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.639 Lucy on the conveyor belt, kind of like trying to 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:38.760 keep things moving and trying to stay ahead of the 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:41.960 next box of chocolates. But I don't think there's space 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:44.320 to really step back. One thing I think we still 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:47.600 have to grapple with all of us is what is 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:52.359 the longer term way we are going to stop having 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:57.080 presidential elections where the stakes feel fucking total? Right? How 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:59.080 do we get to the point where we don't have 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:01.680 to worry that the report publicans are going to put 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.920