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Speaker 1: Hi, Catherine, coming to you live from my Orca Chelsea.

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Speaker 1: My Spanish gets good and then it gets worse. It's

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Speaker 1: so many dips of Spanish when I get here. So

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Speaker 1: my trip here this time, I'm only here for two weeks.

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Speaker 1: This time is to not put too much pressure on

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Speaker 1: myself and to just let I say the words that

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Speaker 1: I know in Spanish. I don't try to practice them

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Speaker 1: on my bike rides going wood. It is the past tense,

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Speaker 1: the future tense. I'm just saying what I know. It's Spanish,

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Speaker 1: and then the rest I say in English.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, if you just use the verbs, someone

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm thinking.

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Speaker 1: Or if you start everything with puaitus, which is can you,

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Speaker 1: then I can just then I don't have to think about.

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Speaker 3: Any other verbs. Yeah, exactly, you know.

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Speaker 4: And of course like an aperall spirits or two doesn't

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Speaker 4: really help with our commands of Spanish.

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Speaker 3: I wish I could get back into aperol spritzes.

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Speaker 1: I've kind of like I used to love aperaol spritses,

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Speaker 1: and I guess I over It's like everything with me,

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Speaker 1: I overdo everything and then I can never have it again.

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Speaker 2: I got really into Elderflower Martiniz for a while.

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Speaker 1: Elderflower is delicious, and they have Elderflowers Britzes, which are.

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Speaker 3: Which actually I wouldn't mind having. Okay, right, actually again, Hey,

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Speaker 3: Brian White, nice joy heir may who not spritz Elderflower.

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Speaker 1: Our guest today is one of the top five smartest

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Speaker 1: people that I know. He's a co founder of Crooked Media.

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Speaker 1: He's a co host of Podsave America. He is the

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Speaker 1: host of Love It or Leave It, And he is

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Speaker 1: the co author of the number one New York Times

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Speaker 1: bestseller Democracy or Else. And he's a contestant on the

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Speaker 1: upcoming season of Survivor. Please well, and we don't know

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Speaker 1: who won because it's not out and he can't say,

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Speaker 1: but watch this.

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Speaker 3: Please welcome John Lovett. Oh yeah, baby.

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Speaker 1: This has been a long time coming. Yeah, here we are,

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Speaker 1: John Lovett.

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Speaker 3: God.

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Speaker 1: I was just listening to you in the car on

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Speaker 1: my way from my anal rectum exam this morning.

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Speaker 3: I had one of those.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you've had one of those recently,

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Speaker 1: but it was pretty demoralizing.

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Speaker 5: Was that for pleasure? For medical This was.

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Speaker 1: At a doctor's office. It was at a doctor's office.

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Speaker 1: I know where you're going with that question, and I

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Speaker 1: wanted to get out of it. John Lovett, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Dear Chelsea.

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Speaker 5: Great to be here.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it must be so exciting for you to

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Speaker 1: be able to add one more podcast to your list

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Speaker 1: of the things that.

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Speaker 3: You do for a living.

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Speaker 5: Listen. I just I spend more time speaking into a

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Speaker 5: microphone than not speaking into a microphone. I've growing extremely

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Speaker 5: comfortable in this medium. He's just so happy to be here.

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Speaker 3: You're so good at this medium.

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Speaker 1: I mean, nothing makes me laugh on a podcast more

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Speaker 1: than your comments, whether it's pot Save America or love

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Speaker 1: It or Leave It. I mean, I know, love It

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Speaker 1: or Leave It is more comedy based. And you're having

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Speaker 1: a really fucking good time doing it. I can tell,

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Speaker 1: and I can hear, and I know you're touring a

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Speaker 1: lot with the show and you're having a really good time,

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Speaker 1: especially with this election season happening. But one of the

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Speaker 1: most exciting developments that's happened to you is that you

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Speaker 1: were you were on the newest season of Survivor.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I am. It seems ridiculous, but it's true.

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Speaker 1: It does seem But knowing you and knowing what a

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Speaker 1: fan you are of the show. I'm going to project

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Speaker 5: No, thank you. That means a lot, That means the

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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean I would think that you we know

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Speaker 1: exactly what you were doing going in there. I don't

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Speaker 1: think the physical ailments that you're dealing with in a

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Speaker 5: No, And I hear that. Yeah, just so people you're

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Speaker 5: saying that I'm not athletic, but I'm just sort of

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Speaker 1: And then I think what you lack in your physical

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Speaker 3: So I don't really feel like it's a shortcoming.

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Speaker 1: I would think if you do as well as I

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Speaker 3: I think what you lack in the physicality, you are.

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Speaker 1: And direct, so you can't say anything about Survivor right, No,

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Speaker 3: Did you want to say it was a positive experience?

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Speaker 5: It was. I'm glad I did it. It was a

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Speaker 3: Did you lose any weight during Survivor?

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Speaker 5: Well, so I will say two things. First of all,

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Speaker 5: say that Munjaro does prepare one for the experience.

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Speaker 1: But you can only you couldn't take the Manjaro with you, right,

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Speaker 1: Theoretically theoretically, but who knows what the new rules of

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Speaker 3: Maybe they let you bring that.

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Speaker 1: That's actually probably pretty good for the contestants, but it

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Speaker 1: Then, let's talk about what you missed while you were

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Speaker 5: So Trump conviction was obviously a very big deal.

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Speaker 3: It feels like six years ago.

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Speaker 5: Now, it feels like forever ago. We've completely moved on.

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Speaker 5: But the story that was to me the most shocking

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Speaker 5: the fact that he claimed that it wasn't his flag

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Speaker 5: how flags work. If there's a flag bowl in front

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Speaker 5: They're not per person.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And it wasn't just one of their houses, it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So okay, as if that's not a family discussion.

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Speaker 1: When somebody's hoisting a fucking flag up in front of

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Speaker 3: The Supreme Court will never cease to amaze me. The

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Speaker 1: I have this ideation that it's going to change in

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Speaker 3: I have fantasies about.

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Speaker 1: What will happen to the Supreme Court if we get

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Speaker 3: How are you finding this election season, John.

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Speaker 5: Well So a lot of twist and turns. It is like,

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Speaker 5: we have never lived through an election like this before.

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Speaker 5: And then there's an assassination attempt. There is the most

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Speaker 5: No debate has ever mattered more. Then there is this

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Speaker 5: coming to believe that Donald Trump would win, while everyone

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Speaker 5: Then Kamala Harris comes out of the gate as like

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Speaker 5: top of all that, we go through this extraordinary change.

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Speaker 5: There's this incredible momentum, there's this incredible enthusiasm, and the

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Speaker 5: polls are still fucking tied. So we head into this

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Speaker 5: yet we all have to recognize that the vibes are good,

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Speaker 5: And that can keep you up at night. Maybe it should,

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Speaker 5: But the more important thing is how we respond to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, what would you suggest to those people that

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Speaker 1: to do anything. And what would you suggest, canvassing your neighborhoods,

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Speaker 1: canvassing the states? What?

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Speaker 5: So? First of all, if you've donated even like five

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Speaker 5: with text messages asking you for more money. Some of

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Speaker 5: the texts are reel, some of them you don't know

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Speaker 5: if they're real. At a time when people don't really

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Speaker 5: and neighbors matter more than they have ever mattered before.

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Speaker 5: So there's I would say read big things people can do.

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Speaker 5: One is they can donate campaigns need to be up

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I feel like, you know, as a woman,

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Speaker 5: No, and most people agree, and most people understand that.

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Speaker 1: a period. I'm gonna put it there, Okay. On that,

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Speaker 1: we're going to take a break and we're going to

439
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Speaker 1: be right back with John Lovett. And we're back with

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Speaker 1: John Lovett. John, we're gonna give advice to callers, and

441
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Speaker 1: I know how passionately you feel about giving advice, so

442
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Speaker 1: we're going to get right into it.

443
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Speaker 3: What do we've got, Catherine.

444
00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,959
Speaker 4: Our first email comes from Ella. Her subject line is

445
00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,280
Speaker 4: to tell her not to tell my sister had her

446
00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,080
Speaker 4: first baby two weeks ago and her partner, slash baby Daddy,

447
00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,480
Speaker 4: is on a dating app. Dear Chelsea, I need your advice.

448
00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,159
Speaker 4: My older sister just had her first baby. It's the

449
00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,879
Speaker 4: first in the family. She's in her early thirties thirteen

450
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,639
Speaker 4: days ago. Her relationship is the epitome of non traditional.

451
00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,399
Speaker 4: She's been seeing her boyfriend partner on and off for

452
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,359
Speaker 4: over five years. Earlier on, he had a pattern of

453
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,159
Speaker 4: sleeping with other women, mostly fans. It seems he was

454
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Speaker 4: an athlete for several years until retiring a few years ago.

455
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Speaker 3: That's so weird. Athletes hardly ever do that.

456
00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:26,120
Speaker 4: I know, that's so bizarre, and my sister justified it once,

457
00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,359
Speaker 4: telling me, you know, as long as he's going to

458
00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,520
Speaker 4: therapy and working on himself, the cheating is okay, insane.

459
00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:31,919
Speaker 7: I know.

460
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,840
Speaker 4: My middle sister isn't a fan of him, claiming she

461
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,480
Speaker 4: saw him four years ago or so while they were dating.

462
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,800
Speaker 4: While the sister and the guy were dating leave a

463
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,479
Speaker 4: bar with another girl, not even trying to hide it.

464
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 4: I like him plenty, but I don't know him terribly well.

465
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,120
Speaker 4: She likes to keep parts of their lives compartmentalized anyway.

466
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,679
Speaker 4: He has a separate apartment that he keeps as a

467
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Speaker 4: quote bachelor pad. Not my words, his now here's the

468
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Speaker 4: huge thing I need your advice on. I just reopened

469
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Speaker 4: two different dating apps. Haven't in months, but I gotta

470
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 4: get back on the proverbial horse. I opened one, swiped

471
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,960
Speaker 4: no on just two people, and lo and behold, my

472
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,159
Speaker 4: sister's partner pops up. Keep in mind this happened just

473
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Speaker 4: three days after they got new family portraits taken with

474
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Speaker 4: my baby nephew.

475
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Speaker 2: I am shook.

476
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,119
Speaker 4: I screen recorded and screen grabbed for safe keeping. Do

477
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Speaker 4: I tell my sister that I saw him there active

478
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 4: on said app? Do I avoid it and ask her

479
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 4: if they've had a shift and are no longer exclusive,

480
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 4: which I'm doubtful about. Do I say something to him?

481
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 4: Do I pretend it didn't happen. I can't tell my

482
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,399
Speaker 4: other sister, who already hates him. So what do I

483
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 4: do if I tell my oldest sister? What's the best

484
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,359
Speaker 4: way to approach it? I'm also afraid he'll see me

485
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Speaker 4: on the app and blow his cover.

486
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Speaker 1: Let me know, Ella, Okay, Well everyone knows how I

487
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 1: feel about this, John, why don't we let you?

488
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Speaker 3: I want to know how you feel about this.

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Speaker 5: So you're saying your quote shook unquote, Why what about this?

490
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 5: Is shocking. Everything you've described as a situation, which, of

491
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Speaker 5: course this person would be on dating apps. It seems

492
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Speaker 5: like the keeping of a bachelor pad described as such

493
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Speaker 5: as sort of indicative of where they're at, like the

494
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,880
Speaker 5: person having the baby, like they've made a series of choices.

495
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 5: Those are their choices. Were support women making their own choices.

496
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Speaker 5: It seems like this is this the sister yeah, being

497
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Speaker 5: like a little bit of a busybody here, like you know,

498
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Speaker 5: it's like.

499
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Speaker 1: I don't know, she was just on a dating app

500
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 1: scrolling John. I don't know, is she being a business

501
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 1: on her feed?

502
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Speaker 5: Yeah? I don't think there's anything wrong to me with

503
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,199
Speaker 5: being like to your sister, like, hey, what's up with

504
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,919
Speaker 5: how's the relationship been? Although I have a feeling that

505
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,679
Speaker 5: the question like how has the relationship been is like

506
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 5: a loaded question between these sisters because it is very

507
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Speaker 5: clear the sister writing does not approve of their sister's choices, right,

508
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,399
Speaker 5: and so I find it hard to believe that doesn't

509
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 5: come across with the like, hey, just a quick question

510
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 5: like what's happening with the father your child? Because together,

511
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 5: what's going on there? So, like you know, that's sort

512
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 5: of where I'm at on this, which is like, you

513
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 5: do want to tell your sister, you like, you want

514
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 5: to point out that this guy fucking soff and like

515
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,360
Speaker 5: it seems like he does, but you're not dating him.

516
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 4: True, since it's an older sister, I feel like maybe

517
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 4: they have an open relationship and she just doesn't like

518
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 4: share that with the rest of her family.

519
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, first of all, I'm the I'm always tell

520
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: on everyone, tell on them, tell on him, tell on him.

521
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 1: But also I would agree it sounds like this woman

522
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 1: who already said, okay, you know, like he we as

523
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Speaker 1: long as he's going to therapy and working on it,

524
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. I mean she just had a baby

525
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: thirteen years ago. I think she knows what she's dealing

526
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,239
Speaker 1: with and she's okay with it. That wouldn't prevent me

527
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 1: from saying, first of all, clicking yes on him when

528
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: you scroll on him and go, hey, what's up?

529
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 3: Funny meeting you here?

530
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 1: Hey, B if I can get him from all sides,

531
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 1: or B take the screen grab and make sure they're

532
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 1: both together when you go, oh, funny, I saw you

533
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: on my dating app this week. Just together together? I

534
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: like to but no, but as a sister. I know, John,

535
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: you're you're not a sister to anyone. You're a because

536
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 1: you're a male and you identify as one. But I

537
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: as a woman, will always especially if it's your sister,

538
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 1: and I guarantee you it will have no impact on

539
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: their relationship.

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Speaker 3: But at least then you can know. And if you

541
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 3: know that and you know it's not going to have

542
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 3: any impact, then fine.

543
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: But at some point she's gonna get sick of it

544
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: or she's not, but she's it's not going to have

545
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 1: an impact on the relationship. So it's just a matter

546
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: of how honest do you want to be, because you

547
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: have every right to tell her. It's not like you

548
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: were snooping. You weren't over at his apartment looking through shit.

549
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 1: You were on a public platform where you saw him

550
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: actively pursuing dating. So there's really nothing there's no question

551
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: about saying that you saw it. In my opinion, I

552
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 1: think you should absolutely say something to your sister because

553
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: hopefully she can get rid of him sooner than later.

554
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 1: It doesn't like seem like he's going to stop cheating

555
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: on her, especially with a bachelor pad. And if you

556
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: have a new baby and you want to start a

557
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 1: new life, which she's not going to want to do.

558
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 3: She's going to feel vulnerable and go, oh, I'm with him.

559
00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 3: It's okay, he's.

560
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: Working on it's not working on it, so just FYI

561
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: is not working on it. You know, anyone who's working

562
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: on a relationship isn't on a dating app when their

563
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 1: significant other gives birth to their child.

564
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 5: It's a very funny idea. That's like, as long as

565
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 5: we're in therapy working on the cheating, you can keep cheating.

566
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 5: It's well, that's not it's not how I mean like,

567
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,959
Speaker 5: that's this is not how like oh, it's not like

568
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 5: it's not like plugging the BP oil spill. You know,

569
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 5: it's not like, oh, like there's still leakage, but we're

570
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 5: making progress. Like he is actively cheating on you.

571
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like I want to stop doing heroin, but

572
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to continue snorting it while we talk about

573
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: me stopping it.

574
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 5: Exactly.

575
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 4: There's a question that comes up for me, which is,

576
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 4: even if she's fine with him sleeping with other people,

577
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 4: she is someone who just had a baby with this guy,

578
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 4: what's she going to feel like when he comes home?

579
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 4: Like not if, but when he comes home and says like, hey,

580
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 4: I got.

581
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 2: Someone else pregnant. Oh right you now, oh yeah, there

582
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 2: might be something to talk to your sister about.

583
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. But you know, people don't want to hear shit.

584
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 1: No they don't. But I mean, when it is your sister,

585
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 1: you really have to be honest with your sisters. And

586
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,479
Speaker 1: there's a reason why her other sister hates him. Hopefully

587
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: your sister will snap out of it sooner than later.

588
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: But there's your advice from us.

589
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chelsea says, bring it up in a family party.

590
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: I'm of the school hotel on everyone.

591
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 3: No secret keeping here.

592
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 5: That's good now, actually.

593
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 1: Not for men, not for straight men. I don't think

594
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: keep secrets for straight man. If I was like, did

595
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: you watch Lady Peterson documentary?

596
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 5: I didn't. I didn't.

597
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 3: Okay, well you know this one. There's two. Now there's two.

598
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: There's one on Netflix and then there's a secondary one

599
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: on Prime which people are like, oh, that actually shows

600
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 1: some doubts. I'm like, only if you're a fucking moron,

601
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: does it so any doubts. There couldn't be anyone more

602
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: guilty than Scott Peterson. And I don't have to say

603
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: allegedly because he actually got convicted of the fucking crime.

604
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: So I also want to say, like, these two sisters,

605
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: how they're still on his side? One of him became

606
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: a lawyer to represent him.

607
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 2: And like the innocence project has taken on his Oh.

608
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 3: Oh yes, the innocent project.

609
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 1: First of all, if I fuck your brother, okay, I

610
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: don't care if he is your brother. When you come home,

611
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 1: when you find out that your brother's wife is missing,

612
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: then the next piece of information you find out is

613
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: that he had a bowl of cereal and was like, Oh,

614
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: my wife is missing, let me call her parents. And

615
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: then the next piece of information is that he had

616
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: a boat that no one fucking knew about. I would

617
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: if that were my brother, I'd be like, you're a murderer,

618
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: and I know it. I'm not on your side anymore.

619
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: You took it too far this time. Forget about the

620
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: Amber Fry of it all. There's already enough evidence leading

621
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: up to the fact that before even they even revealed

622
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: that he had a girlfriend.

623
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 3: It's like that kind of blind loyalty.

624
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: And the only two people who believe he's innocent, well's

625
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 1: parents obviously are his sister. One is not even a

626
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: real sister, it's a sister in law. She's the one

627
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: who got a legal degree. It's so crazy to me

628
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: that these women they found him at the border with

629
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,719
Speaker 1: blonde hair and fucking forty thousand dollars. And she's like,

630
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: it's not what you think, bitch, is exactly what we think,

631
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: and you need to get your fucking head examined.

632
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 7: Huh.

633
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 4: And I think, oh, that brings us right back to Ella,

634
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 4: exactly what you think. That's exactly what you think, right well.

635
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 4: Our next question comes from Penny. Penny is thirty three,

636
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 4: and she says, Dear Chelsea, I was wondering if you

637
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 4: would have any advice on letting your very close friend

638
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 4: know that she has a very annoying tick. My friend

639
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 4: is constantly sniffing, like constantly. During my bachelorette party, while

640
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 4: laying in bed trying to will my hangover away, all

641
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 4: I could hear was sniff, sniff, sniff, and I was

642
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 4: in a separate room. I just about screamed, Tiffany, please

643
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 4: stop sniffing. I thought about it again, as I'll be

644
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 4: riding with her to the beach tomorrow and I'm already

645
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 4: getting annoyed knowing she will be sniffing the whole way.

646
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: She does not do cocaine that I know of.

647
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 5: She does not have Thank you, thank you for putting

648
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 5: that aside, because that was my first question.

649
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 4: Okay, when she finally blows her nose, it sounds like

650
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 4: pure air. I firmly believe this is a nervous tick,

651
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 4: and I think someone needs to make her aware of it.

652
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 4: Every single person I mentioned it too has said, OMG,

653
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 4: know what is with the sniffing? So I'm not the

654
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Speaker 4: only one any who Let me know what you think.

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Speaker 4: Lots of love, Penny, and she's going to join us here.

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Speaker 1: Oh good, this seems like a long conversation. We really

657
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Speaker 1: have time to delve into this.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Penny, Hi, how are you?

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Speaker 6: Guys?

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Speaker 3: You're with our special guest John love It today.

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Speaker 7: Hi.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Oh my gosh, Hi Amy, he's a survivor.

663
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Speaker 5: That's true.

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Speaker 3: I yeah, I think you should say something. I would say.

665
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Speaker 1: I would say something to my friend, especially if people

666
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: are talking about her behind her back. You should just say, hey,

667
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: you sniff a lot. It's kind of annoying. Do you

668
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Speaker 1: know if it's a nervous tick or what?

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Speaker 8: Okay, Okay, I mean yeah, why not?

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Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you say something?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? And I would not reference. I would not mention

672
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Speaker 5: that you brought this up not just to people behind

673
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Speaker 5: your friends back, but also on a podcast with Chelsea Handler. Yeah,

674
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 5: let the first conversation play out. See where that lands you.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely that makes sense.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Can I just ask, since we have you, what, what

678
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Speaker 1: would be your hesitation in telling her that it's a

679
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Speaker 1: pretty innocuous thing to say to someone. I know it's

680
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Speaker 1: kind of uncomfortable, but it's helpful too.

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Speaker 2: Oh, definitely.

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Speaker 8: It's just she's an overthinker, and I just don't want

683
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Speaker 8: to give her anything else to be nervous about. And

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Speaker 8: I feel like maybe it'll even make it worse, or

685
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Speaker 8: she'll just retract even more.

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Speaker 1: Well, was if you yelled at her, like if you

687
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Speaker 1: did a Chelsea style, that would not be well received

688
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Speaker 1: if she's an overthinker. But you can, in a very gentle,

689
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Speaker 1: loving way, go you know, hey, I wanted to bring

690
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Speaker 1: something up with you, and I hope this isn't I mean,

691
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Speaker 1: this might be a little sensitive for you to hear,

692
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Speaker 1: but I've noticed that you sniff a lot, and I

693
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Speaker 1: remember sitting in my bed the other day hearing it,

694
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Speaker 1: and I kind of felt myself being like what And

695
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Speaker 1: then I thought, Oh, I.

696
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Speaker 3: Should just talk to you about it.

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Speaker 1: I just want to let you know, like maybe you're

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Speaker 1: not aware that you do it, and I want to

699
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Speaker 1: you know, you can do this in a totally loving,

700
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Speaker 1: friend loving way, because it is helpful to know if

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Speaker 1: you're doing something that annoys other people.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, definitely, I would want to know for sure.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

704
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Speaker 1: My cousin, my nick niece, told me the reason I

705
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Speaker 1: had to stop smoking pot was because it was having

706
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Speaker 1: this deleterious impact on my esophagus. And I was going

707
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Speaker 1: like this all the time, and she goes, do you

708
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Speaker 1: know how fucking annoying that is? And I was like, oh,

709
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Speaker 1: I didn't realize anyone else heard me. She goes, you

710
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Speaker 1: do it all the time, and I was like, oh,

711
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Speaker 1: I have to stop smoking pot, Like I can't do

712
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Speaker 1: that anymore. So that's sad for all of us.

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Speaker 3: I know, Gummy's only Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I do wonder and maybe it is like a legitimate tick,

715
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Speaker 4: like it is diagnosed OCD or something like that, and

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Speaker 4: maybe this will.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, see energy, could you post nasal drip?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then she could get some medicine for that

719
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Speaker 1: as well. But it's everybody does better with a little

720
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Speaker 1: self awareness and as long as it comes from a

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Speaker 1: place of love, then you have nothing to worry about.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's true. Yes, as long as.

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Speaker 1: You're not screamaters, stop fucking sniffing, it's gonna be fine.

724
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Speaker 5: Yeah. And if her name really is Tiffany, Sniffeney's right there,

725
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Speaker 5: just so you know, if you need something in your

726
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Speaker 5: back pocket, there you.

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Speaker 1: Go in case you go back to elementary school and

728
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Speaker 1: want to make fun of her behind her back.

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Speaker 5: And then two No, I'm saying that's exactly what not

730
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Speaker 5: to do, even though Sniffiny is very good sitting right there,

731
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Speaker 5: leave it, leave it there, leave it on the shelf.

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Speaker 5: Don't take that one down.

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Speaker 3: Leave it on the table. Okay, Well, thanks for calling in.

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Speaker 3: This was an important one.

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Speaker 6: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Bye bye. Listen.

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Speaker 2: John is here to do hard hitting news and here

738
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Speaker 2: we are.

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Speaker 1: That's absolutely right. That is hard hitting for sure for snizzle.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I just think that like, look, if I had

741
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Speaker 5: a delicate overthinker as a friend with a small and

742
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Speaker 5: ultimately harmless tick, I'd want it on a pretty big

743
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Speaker 5: podcast as soon as possible.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I used to do this thing where I would scratch

746
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Speaker 1: my hand all the time.

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Speaker 3: You guys can see me.

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Speaker 1: But I would scratch my hand when I was on

749
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Speaker 1: camera and my producers were like, hey, do you are you?

750
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Speaker 1: Is this a nervous tick that you scratched your hand

751
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Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, I didn't even know I

752
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Speaker 1: did it. And then when I tried to stop it,

753
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Speaker 1: I couldn't and scratch you even more.

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Speaker 5: I was doing something which was like on stage, putting

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Speaker 5: the cards like in front of my face, and like,

756
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Speaker 5: of course you can't don't cover your face when you're

757
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Speaker 5: on stage. Sort of one of those rules your moneymaker.

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Speaker 5: Yeah right, this is yeah right, this is These are

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Speaker 5: my surgeon's hands exactly.

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Speaker 3: You don't want to fuck up that plastic surgery.

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Speaker 5: M hm.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 4: Our next question comes from wit wit Is thirty eight

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Speaker 4: in Quebec. Dear Chelsea, I'm a trans man in a

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Speaker 4: relationship with a wonderful SIS woman.

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Speaker 2: It's been a little over a year and we're very

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Speaker 2: much in love.

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Speaker 4: She's only ever dated SIS men and sees me as

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Speaker 4: a man and embraces all parts of me. The thing

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Speaker 4: is her family doesn't know I'm trans. I'm not exactly stealth.

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Speaker 4: You can easily find out I'm trans by googling my name,

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Speaker 4: and I'm just living my quiet, normal life. But I've

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Speaker 4: never been a fan of having to come out to anyone.

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Speaker 4: I hate that it's an issue or something that has

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Speaker 4: to be done, and so I guess that's why I'm

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Speaker 4: hesitant to do it. I don't want me being trans

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Speaker 4: to be a thing that defines me their eyes. That

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Speaker 4: and there's always the worry of rejection. My girlfriend has

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Speaker 4: no issue telling them, but wants me to make the

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Speaker 4: decision about when I'm comfortable doing so. I really really

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Speaker 4: like her family and they like me, and she and

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Speaker 4: I plan on being together and I've talked about having

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Speaker 4: kids eventually, but the issue of.

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Speaker 2: Telling her parents does weigh on me.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure how or when to go about it,

786
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 4: or if we need to, but I guess they deserve

787
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Speaker 4: to know. I'd rather them find out from us than

788
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Speaker 4: from some interaction with my family or friends or an

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Speaker 4: Internet article that.

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Speaker 2: Makes them think we've been keeping a big secret from them.

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Speaker 2: Any advice? Thanks?

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Speaker 6: Wit Hi, wit Hi? Hi.

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Speaker 3: This is John Lovet. He's our special guest today.

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Speaker 4: Hi.

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Speaker 3: How are you?

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Speaker 7: Hi?

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Speaker 6: John?

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Speaker 7: I listened to all of y'all's podcast past Dream Team.

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Speaker 3: That's awesome.

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Speaker 5: That's exactly what this is exactly?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean I would just say, you don't why

802
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 1: do they need to know? That's what my instinct says.

803
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Speaker 1: But then I understand what you're saying. You don't want

804
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Speaker 1: them to find out going down the road, Like I

805
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: just don't feel like I just don't feel like that's

806
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: pertinent information at this stage in the game, Like why

807
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: why do they need to know that you know? And

808
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Speaker 1: and I hear what you're saying. I don't, John, what

809
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: do you think? What do you have to say about this?

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Speaker 3: Let me say some more.

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Speaker 5: It's interesting, right, And there's this debate around passing, right

812
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Speaker 5: because there are trans people that can pass, and there

813
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Speaker 5: are trans people that can't pass. I'm actually dating a

814
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Speaker 5: non binary person uses they then pronounce assigned female at

815
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Speaker 5: birth now more masculine presenting. And I do think the

816
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 5: challenge is that, like this is an important part of

817
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 5: who they are, right, Like their past is their biography,

818
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 5: how they got to where they are. It's like, as

819
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Speaker 5: you're getting closer to a family, the family of your partner,

820
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Speaker 5: you want them to know who you are, that is

821
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Speaker 5: who who you are. And so I guess it's like

822
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Speaker 5: maybe the answer is somewhere in between coming out and

823
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 5: not talking about it, right, Like everyone is focused on

824
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 5: the election and everybody's talking about politics. I find it

825
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 5: hard to believe that at family gatherings and other settings

826
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Speaker 5: that trans issues aren't coming up and just saying oh,

827
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Speaker 5: just so you know, by the way, they're trans and

828
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Speaker 5: they've been through a transition and it was a really

829
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 5: hard and important decision, but it made their life a

830
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 5: lot better, right. Like, I think that can be a

831
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Speaker 5: really valuable thing for people who might not realize when

832
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,720
Speaker 5: they see the news demagoguing around LGBT issues, that actually

833
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 5: there's a trans person they really like and have come

834
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Speaker 5: to know. So that's sort of where I fall.

835
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Speaker 3: On this because I guess it is the question of John.

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Speaker 3: You bring up a good point.

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Speaker 1: Of course, it's part of who you are, but it's

838
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: almost like I don't want to be light about something

839
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: that's serious. But it's like, I think certain things in

840
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: your past are not pertinent information for the family that

841
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: you're about to marry into. It's like my previous sex

842
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: life and my previous sexual partners, that's not necessary, that's

843
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: not pertinent information for my future partner's family to know.

844
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Speaker 1: I kind of feel that way about a person who

845
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Speaker 1: has transitioned.

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Speaker 3: Although I'm not trans, so I can't speak to that.

847
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Speaker 1: I would just think, like, you've worked so hard to

848
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: become this person that you want it to be, that

849
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: you feel comfortable in your own skin. It doesn't feel

850
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Speaker 1: fair that you have to even explain your.

851
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Speaker 3: Past to these people. That's where I'm coming from.

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00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: But if that is a huge part of who you

853
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: consider yourself to be today, then that is a different

854
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: story than that is sharing with them. You know your

855
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: innermost feelings and like being as intimate as possible with

856
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: your partner's family, And the question is do you need

857
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Speaker 1: to be that intimate with them?

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00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 6: Wait?

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00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 5: Wait, wait, I'm sorry, is you or your partner?

860
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Speaker 7: No, it's my girlfriend's it's your girlfriend parents. Yeah, my

861
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 7: girlfriend's family doesn't know.

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Speaker 5: It's your girlfriend's family. Well, I guess it's sort of

863
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 5: like there should be just zero pressure. I think there's

864
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Speaker 5: a lot of people who live in the kind of

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Speaker 5: gray middle where they like, maybe don't know a trans person,

866
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Speaker 5: maybe they haven't thought about it very hard, Maybe they're

867
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Speaker 5: going to say some weird stuff, maybe they're going to

868
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Speaker 5: screw up, but ultimately are want to be empathetic.

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Speaker 7: What do you think, Yeah, well, I think I kind

870
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 7: of have feelings of both John and Chelsea. On the

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Speaker 7: one side, I am fortunate enough to pass, and I

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Speaker 7: feel like it's really unfair that it's a piece of

873
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Speaker 7: information that this society and the climate that we're kind

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Speaker 7: of political climate that we're living in, feels like you

875
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 7: have to disclose this very personal piece of information. Unfortunately,

876
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 7: it's what we live in. At the same time, I

877
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 7: don't want them to find out in some other way,

878
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 7: whether it be through an interaction or online or whatnot,

879
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 7: and them have a worse reaction, like we've been lining

880
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 7: to them or or didn't trust them with the information.

881
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 7: So wanting to avoid that reaction, but also being kind

882
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 7: of like, you know, it's it's very personal. It's something

883
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 7: that I don't think defines me. I think it's a

884
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 7: part of who I am, but I have a chip

885
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 7: on my shoulder and I think it's just an insecurity

886
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 7: that once you divulge the information, you have this feeling.

887
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 7: It's like when you go in public and you think

888
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 7: people are looking at you, but no one gives a shit.

889
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 6: It's like the same thing is, as soon as they

890
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 6: know that about me.

891
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 7: I feel like, oh, that's the first thing they're going

892
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 7: to think about me, which is probably not true. I

893
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 7: think it's just this insecurity that I have.

894
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 4: You mentioned there are certain situations where it would be

895
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 4: maybe helpful for them to know ahead of time, like

896
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 4: you mentioned like oh, we're all going to the lake,

897
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 4: or and there was going to be maybe a swimsuit situation,

898
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,959
Speaker 4: and so like to have them know ahead of time

899
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 4: would be helpful. But then it's also like, are you

900
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 4: going to ask your potential future in laws about their

901
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 4: medical history?

902
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 5: No?

903
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

904
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: It's I think I would say, just from a completely

905
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: objective point of view, that if there's an organic time

906
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: where it comes up, like you know, Will Ferrell has

907
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: this new documentary out with his best friend and she

908
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: and they talk about like like say they bring that

909
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: up to you or sell some and that comes up

910
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: in conversation, that would be a nice organic time to

911
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: go oh yeah, because you don't really want to put

912
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: so much weight on an issue that is no longer

913
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: an issue.

914
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 3: You are a man now.

915
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: So you present as a man, you're living as a man.

916
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: That would be a great opportunity to be like, oh god, yeah,

917
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,479
Speaker 1: don't I know that story. You know I'm trans as well,

918
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: like in a way where it's not like we're sitting down,

919
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: we're having this big conversation.

920
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 3: We have to tell you I used to be a woman.

921
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: It doesn't deserve all of that because that it's totally

922
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: unfair to you, and it's totally unfair to any trans

923
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: person to have to sit there and explain themselves over

924
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: and over again. So I feel like if you have

925
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 1: an opportunity to say it lightly and kind of extract

926
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: yourself from that situation and let them deal with the

927
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: aftermath and the questions they have, that shouldn't be on

928
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: you to explain to them. And if anything, it's more

929
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: on your partner to have to explain to them, because

930
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: she's the one who's decided to be with you and

931
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: she can answer their questions.

932
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 3: I just don't think it's fair for people who make.

933
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: These decisions to constantly have to explain themselves, especially when

934
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: you're in a loving relationship and they already love you

935
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: and you know what I mean. So I think maybe

936
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 1: if you can wait for something organic like that to happen,

937
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: wait for them to see that movie, or wait until

938
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: you see that trans person or the subject of transit.

939
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 3: You know, trans people, gad transgender comes.

940
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: Up, or you know whatever, and then just say it

941
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: lightly and anyone's going to look at you and think

942
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: you're a man. And I think that's all you owe anybody.

943
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, Like and talking with my therapist who's very I

944
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 7: guess protective and is like it's nobody's business.

945
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 6: I understand that side.

946
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 7: But my partner had talked to her therapist and she's

947
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 7: a little older and I guess uninformed, and she asked

948
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 7: really invasive questions, like about my body. So it really

949
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 7: scared because her parents are in their seventies. But we're thinking,

950
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 7: maybe take me out of the equation because it isn't

951
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 7: fair or something organic, not like at a dinner and

952
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 7: be like, hey, mom passes salt and by the way,

953
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 7: but like have an organic conversation that is, isn't so

954
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 7: much weight while sitting them down.

955
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 6: If we don't think it's a big deal, we shouldn't

956
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 6: make it a big deal.

957
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 5: Do you want them to know?

958
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 7: In the perfect world, I wish that nobody knew. I

959
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 7: think that's kind of a part of being trans. I mean,

960
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 7: not everybody's the same. Some people are very out and

961
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 7: loud and proud, and that's okay, that's not where I stand.

962
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 6: Although I'm not.

963
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 7: I don't hide it because, like I had said to Catherine,

964
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 7: as you could easily find on trends, whether it's by

965
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 7: googling my name or lots of people that I know.

966
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 7: So I don't hide it, but I don't outwardly, you know,

967
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 7: disclose it to everybody.

968
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 6: But I think it's not even that they deserve to know.

969
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 6: It's just I don't.

970
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 7: We don't want to feel like we're walking on eggshells,

971
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 7: whether we're around a group of friends that are like

972
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 7: very open and talk about things and then it just

973
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 7: come out in that way.

974
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 6: So it's more so that. But yeah, I wish that

975
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 6: they didn't have to know.

976
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 5: To do what other fuck you want? You know, you

977
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 5: don't know these people anything.

978
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if they do find out, it's like, yeah.

979
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 5: It's on them to fit, it's on them to it's

980
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 5: on them for how they handle it.

981
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 3: There was no reason.

982
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: And also when they find out and say, oh, you

983
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: were hiding, We weren't hiding anything.

984
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 3: There was no reason to tell you.

985
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: It's a google away that's that's yeah, that's you could

986
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: find that information.

987
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 7: Out.

988
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: We know that information's out there, it just never came

989
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: up and what we didn't feel like we had that

990
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: you know, we needed to tell you. But I do

991
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: think if you do tell them, you decide differently. Yes,

992
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: let your let your partner deal with it and let

993
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: her tell them, you know, in your absence.

994
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 3: It's like, haven't you been through enough?

995
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 5: Yeah?

996
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 7: And I think, like, I mean, our politics in Canada

997
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 7: are a little less entertaining, but also a let less scary,

998
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 7: a lot less, a.

999
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: Lot more civilized, and a lot less funny, let's be honest, exactly.

1000
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 7: Yeah, but you know, I mean we're surrounded by US politics,

1001
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 7: and the political climate is very wacky over there, and

1002
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 7: there's a lot of things that I don't see reflected

1003
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 7: back and like who I am about like trans politics

1004
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 7: and that kind of stuff. That that's the only that's

1005
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 7: one thing that sort of sways me of being like,

1006
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 7: you know, I wish there wasn't this big fireball about

1007
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 7: all these policies and issues coming up that is really

1008
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 7: non issues.

1009
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 6: It's not people's business and everything.

1010
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 3: It really is it.

1011
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 5: You're not responsible for people's reactions. You're not responsible for

1012
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 5: how important someone judges this or how the fact that

1013
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 5: they didn't know becomes a stand in for their discomfort

1014
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 5: or uncertainty or a lack of knowledge or lack of empathy. Like,

1015
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 5: you don't You're not responsible for that at all, and

1016
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 5: so whatever reaction they have has nothing to do with you.

1017
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 5: When they find out how they found out and what

1018
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 5: that means to them has nothing to do with you.

1019
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 5: So like, I think that's to me important. I was

1020
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 5: at a wedding and the person I'm seeing saw a

1021
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 5: bunch of people from their childhood that hadn't seen them

1022
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 5: since they were presenting as a woman. And these are

1023
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,959
Speaker 5: people that probably, like a lot of older people, don't

1024
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 5: know trans people. This is all does a little bit

1025
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 5: new and confusing, but it was really just interesting watching

1026
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 5: an older person say like, nice to meet you, and

1027
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 5: then the person I'm seeing saying, you know me, remember,

1028
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 5: like we grew up together, and then you see on

1029
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 5: their face the sort of dawning recognition and a little

1030
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 5: bit of like, oh my god, a transperson, one of

1031
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 5: those trans people that I've heard about in the news.

1032
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 6: It's like the new my gay best friend.

1033
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, And so like like I don't know, you

1034
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 5: don't know what their reaction is going to be. But

1035
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 5: you also don't know in a good way, right, Like

1036
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 5: some people will surprise you.

1037
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: I also think you know what you were just saying,

1038
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: talking about Canadian politics versus American politics, and how there's

1039
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: a shadow of us in your country, a big one,

1040
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: a big, dark one. It's almost like this conversation is

1041
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: becoming necessary to you because of the way America is

1042
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 1: acting around this issue. And if you took that out

1043
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: of the equation, how would you feel about telling your

1044
00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: significant other's family, Like it would probably be a lesser issue,

1045
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be such a big thing. So you're letting

1046
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: all of this and all of the noise kind of

1047
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: complicate your own personal life. So I would say to

1048
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: think about that as well.

1049
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 7: Yeah, you're right, And I think what's important is just

1050
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 7: remembering that I'm not responsible for their reactions and I

1051
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:20,479
Speaker 7: can't control their reaction, so whether we decide to tell

1052
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 7: them or when we do, and how that, I just

1053
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 7: have to remember that it can't control any of that.

1054
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 7: But yeah, you're right, if there wasn't all this political

1055
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 7: crap going around, the weight would be a lot later.

1056
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would I always think about when I

1057
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: have a big decision or something like what you're talking about,

1058
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: thinking about making it less of an issue for the

1059
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: people that come after you. Right, so you not addressing

1060
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: it and say you go through, say her parents never

1061
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 1: find out, and they're in their seventies and you have children,

1062
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: and they never know, they never needed to know. It's

1063
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: almost like you're kind of paving the way for future

1064
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: people to go, Oh, yeah, I don't have to make

1065
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: this proclamation and declaration to everybody.

1066
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 3: It's not necessary. Absolutely necessary.

1067
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: It could be necessary in different areas of your life,

1068
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 1: but it's really not in this So I just think

1069
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: that's something you should think about too.

1070
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, you keep us posted on how things go

1071
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 4: if you decide to tell them or not.

1072
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, totally.

1073
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 7: It's And I had said to Katherine that it was

1074
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 7: like one of the last things off the books.

1075
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 6: And I've been together like a little over a year.

1076
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 7: We lived together, now, both of our families, we've met

1077
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 7: both of families quite a few times, and it was

1078
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 7: like the last it's the last thing that I think

1079
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 7: is weighing on me. It really doesn't care. She's like,

1080
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 7: we can tell them or not. It's no big deal

1081
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 7: for me. But she wants me to be comfortable. So

1082
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 7: it's like the last thing before I don't know, a proposal,

1083
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 7: or we'd like to get married and have a future together.

1084
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, well I think you will. I think

1085
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 3: you will.

1086
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: And if for some reason, say you decide not to

1087
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: tell them, and for some reason down the road they

1088
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: find out I have a big problem with them, have.

1089
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 3: Them call into the podcast and we can explain everything perfect.

1090
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: We'll tell them, we'll talk back and everything.

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Speaker 3: It'll be perfect. It'll be like a reunion.

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Speaker 6: It sounds good.

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Speaker 3: Okay, take care, thank you with thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: I heard something recently that really stuck out to me,

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Speaker 4: and it's a It was from a trans creator that

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Speaker 4: I follow on TikTok mother Birdie, and they said, you know, people,

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Speaker 4: even queer people, are like, well, what were you assigned

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Speaker 4: at birth? Like really trying to like get in the comments,

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Speaker 4: being like, but you know, what are your pronouns? What

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Speaker 4: were your pronouns? Sort of thing, And they said, a

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Speaker 4: signed female at birth or a sign male at birth

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Speaker 4: isn't a thing that represents who you are. It's a

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Speaker 4: moment in time and a thing that happened to you,

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Speaker 4: a medical thing that happened to you, and it's just

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Speaker 4: really really stuck out to me. It's not doesn't really

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Speaker 4: have anything to do with who the person is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's what people don't understand is that you know,

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Speaker 1: that's what Republicans who are who think that you know,

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Speaker 1: you're you go to school. I mean, what did Trump

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Speaker 1: say the other day that that what did he say

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Speaker 1: that people are changing people's sexiest. Oh yeah, they're doing

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Speaker 1: They're changing their sexes at schools, and people are assassinating

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Speaker 1: their children after childbirth. People are killing their babies after

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Speaker 1: they're born. Mike, you mean at schools where they get

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Speaker 1: shot every day because the fucking NRA helps spun the

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Speaker 1: Republican Party. Okay, we're out of time. We're gonna take

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Speaker 1: a break and we're gonna come back and we're gonna.

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Speaker 3: Wrap up with John Lovit and we're back. John Lovid

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Speaker 3: and I just took a virtual bath together. It was epic.

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Speaker 3: But John, thank you for.

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Speaker 1: Your knowledge on everything and for being here today.

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Speaker 3: I love you so much.

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Speaker 1: You make me fucking laugh so hard anytime you're on

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Speaker 1: pod Save America and insert yourself with one of your

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Speaker 1: ridiculous jokes and the rest of the boy and the

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Speaker 1: other boys are just like, ah, fuck, here we go,

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Speaker 1: Like nothing gives me more pleasure than when you pull

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Speaker 1: that shit. I wish I could quote one right off,

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Speaker 1: but I can't because I listened to too many of them.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, John is the funniest, So go see him

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Speaker 1: on tour. He goes on tour with Pod Save America,

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Speaker 1: and he's on tour with Love It or Leave It,

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00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: and you can listen to all of their podcasts on

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Speaker 1: the Pod Save America channel, Pod Say World, Save America,

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Speaker 1: Pod Save the World, blah blah blah, saving countries, oceans.

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Speaker 3: Boulevards, you name it. John, did you have any Yes?

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Speaker 5: I thought there was the end. I didn't want to.

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Speaker 5: I think we're I think we're in that fucking outro

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Speaker 5: Go to vote save America dot com. I'm just I'm

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Speaker 5: trying to be respectful. I'm a guest that's right to

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Speaker 5: vote America dot com. Sign up and.

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Speaker 1: Do something, do something, do something to save democracy.

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Speaker 3: People. This is it. We're in the home stretch.

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Speaker 5: And tell WIT's future in laws that he's trance.

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Speaker 3: Go do one of your other podcasts now, Chelsea.

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Speaker 5: I just hope the rest of your day anally is

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Speaker 5: going as well as it could go. That's what I want.

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Speaker 1: So far, there have been no repercussion, so I appreciate

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Speaker 1: your concern.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna investigate after this and that's.

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Speaker 3: A good way to close.

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Speaker 5: That's what your doctors said. Oh, this is good, exactly

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Speaker 5: what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 3: All right, bye, Jo.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So upcoming shows that I have you, guys, I'm

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Speaker 1: coming to Texas.

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Speaker 3: I'm coming to Saint Louis and Kansas.

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Speaker 1: City, and then I will be in Las Vegas performing

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Speaker 1: at the Chelsea Theater inside the Cosmopolitan Hotel November two

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Speaker 1: and November thirtieth.

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Speaker 3: I'm coming to.

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Speaker 1: Brooklyn, New York, at the King's Theater on November eighth,

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Speaker 1: and I have tickets on sale throughout the end of

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Speaker 1: the year in December, So if you're in a city

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Speaker 1: like Philadelphia or Bethlehem, or San Diego or New Orleans

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Speaker 1: or Omaha, check Chelseahandler dot com for tickets.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 4: If you'd like advice from Chelsea, shoot us an email

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Speaker 4: at Dear Chelsea podcast at gmail dot com and be

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Speaker 4: sure to include your phone number. Dear Chelsea is edited

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Speaker 4: and engineered by Brad Dickert, executive producer Catherine Law, and

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Speaker 4: be sure to check out our march at Chelseahandler dot

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Speaker 4: com