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Speaker 1: look at that. That's not the end, no way. Now

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Speaker 1: it's time for the encore. You know what, You're right?

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Speaker 1: Five times not enough times for everyone who traded in

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Speaker 1: zero sugar. That's what I like. Yeah, that was That

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Speaker 1: was tough man. That was he became. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: was a little choked up when I saw him in

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Speaker 1: that office and I walk in and you know, I

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Speaker 1: didn't know him at all. That didn't start off on

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Speaker 1: the best of terms, because you know, I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: on what you wanted to be here, you know. And

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Speaker 1: I get it first overall picked and he's a competitive maniac,

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Speaker 1: that guy, and I get it, and I told him

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Speaker 1: the rest of his life he counted me as a

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Speaker 1: big fan because he's a he's what you want. He's

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Speaker 1: a warrior, he's competitor. Head coach Urban Meyer on the

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Speaker 1: trade that went down over the weekend Gardner Minshew at

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Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles went down when we were on the

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Speaker 1: plane to Dallas. Thank goodness, I bought the flight WiFi

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Speaker 1: or else I wouldn't have known. But what do we

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Speaker 1: think about this trade? I think it makes sense for

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Speaker 1: all parties involved. Well, it's my hot take. So should

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Speaker 1: we get to that? Is that sweet? Yeah? Go for it?

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Speaker 1: All right? Fine, okay, go ahead, hot take. Um. C J.

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Speaker 1: Bethard I think deserves credit for making the right discasion

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Speaker 1: the ups because he outplayed Minshew. He and credit I

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Speaker 1: think to Trent Vaalky and urban Meyer who brought c. J.

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Speaker 1: Bethard in and throughout O t A S. Everybody's saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: c J. Beth is horrible at Gardner Minshew's out playing. Well,

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Speaker 1: it didn't turn out that way, and it was to c. J.

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Speaker 1: Bettis credit because he came in did the things offensively

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Speaker 1: they wanted to do. How do I feel about the trade?

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Speaker 1: I think urban Meyer expressed what um the reality the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I have no doubt that urban Meyer wishes in his

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Speaker 1: core that Gardner Minshew was a big time NFL quarterback

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Speaker 1: because he is a competitive maniac all that stuff. But

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Speaker 1: he's just not an elite level guy and he's not

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Speaker 1: he's not the right guy in this situation. Well, they

488
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Speaker 1: can't make all the throws, right, so you want him

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Speaker 1: to be good? At you said of Jacksonville, felt that

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Speaker 1: you wanted this guy to be good? Yeah, and he's

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Speaker 1: you know all that, but once it translated to the

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Speaker 1: field and teams figured him out, then it was just

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Speaker 1: sort of a Then if he had an arm, he

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Speaker 1: would have been a second round pick and a rock star. Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: but he couldn't. You saw the throw that he made

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Speaker 1: right before the half that was intercepted on the deep ball.

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Speaker 1: He just he just and some deep throws down the

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Speaker 1: field where he he just doesn't have the arms. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: because you liked him just who he is, right and

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Speaker 1: he would have been amazing if he had an arm.

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Speaker 1: Of course, he would have been a second round pick

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Speaker 1: at that point. So here's my sense, um. I when

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Speaker 1: I sat with coach Meyer when we did the broadcast

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Speaker 1: production meetings, I got the sense that they they believed

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Speaker 1: he could be a solid backup in the league. But

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Speaker 1: Bethard was coming hard. I mean his arm strength against

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Speaker 1: the Browns showed it right there. Then they believed they

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Speaker 1: could get a draft pick for him. I didn't think

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Speaker 1: they could get a draft pick for him. I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I mean one in seven last year. You saw they

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Speaker 1: benched him here, right, I didn't think they'd get a

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Speaker 1: draft pick. They got a six, could be a five

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Speaker 1: if he plays. Congratulations, good for him. He gets another chance.

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Speaker 1: He goes to a great football city, but the Jaguars

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Speaker 1: have Trevor Lawrence, so minshu Mania goes into the annals

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Speaker 1: of history and jack but again that's my heart. Take

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Speaker 1: you O t A s People was one of them,

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Speaker 1: absolutely just I think in beth Rood was awful and

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Speaker 1: because he didn't look good at no Tis he didn't

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Speaker 1: agree that, but did there are no ta s And

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Speaker 1: what he did during training camp, he was making the

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Speaker 1: throws that you have to make in the NFL to

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Speaker 1: have The gardener sometimes does not do that. So that

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Speaker 1: was the difference in the two plays. It didn't translate.

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Speaker 1: And our biggest question was can Gardner do it when

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Speaker 1: the lights go on when it counts, because he did

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Speaker 1: look better than Bethod and tis Well, it was clear

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Speaker 1: as day when the lights came on on the field

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Speaker 1: playing in a game. There's the difference, right. Frankly, I

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Speaker 1: was surprised. I've never been overly high on me. I

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Speaker 1: think people who watched the show know that NFL quarterback wise,

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Speaker 1: I just don't feel like skill set is there. Um.

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Speaker 1: But I was also surprised that he played as poorly

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Speaker 1: during the preseason as he did that. He had been

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Speaker 1: better in the past, and he was not very good

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Speaker 1: in those two games. That throw in the red zone

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Speaker 1: in New Orleans, that was intercept. You just can't. It

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Speaker 1: was you have to know you don't even throw that.

539
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Speaker 1: You just take the sack because you want the points.

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Speaker 1: You can't do that. That is that is the massive

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Speaker 1: competitor on steroids where it goes way too far. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to force this one in there. He didn't have

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Speaker 1: the arm like Luton does. Luton fired that one to

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Speaker 1: Tyler Davis in the end zone here against the Browns.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can't make the throw right, do what

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Speaker 1: you can do, Trevor Lawrence. Let's move on. Enough of

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Speaker 1: the backup quarter. We we won't mention C. J. Bethard again.

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Speaker 1: Maybe once or twice, I hope not. Speaking of steroids,

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Speaker 1: I believe you have a hot ta. UM. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't quite know what to say about that. I do

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Speaker 1: have a hot take, UM, And my hot take is

552
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Speaker 1: at the run. Defense will hold opponents to four yards

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Speaker 1: to carry, so they gave up four point seven when

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Speaker 1: you're the bottom of the league last year hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty three yards per game. UM. Anything below three point

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Speaker 1: nine is elite, right, I mean, that's that is championship

557
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Speaker 1: caliber run defense. They're not there but seven tenths of

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Speaker 1: a yard and makes a huge difference because the Jaguars

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Speaker 1: will be able to force teams to throw the ball,

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Speaker 1: which they couldn't do last year. It's only seven tenths

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Speaker 1: of a yard improvement, but it is massive in terms

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Speaker 1: of how the Jaguars can play defense. And from what

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Speaker 1: I've seen, that is entirely possible. They have done it

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Speaker 1: consistently through three games. You know what you see from

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence on the field, and you know what he's

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Speaker 1: capable of. I saw enough from the run defense in

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Speaker 1: its different iterations, different people, against different teams to know

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Speaker 1: that they'll be able to stop the run much better

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Speaker 1: this year. And here's the key to this. Stopping the

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Speaker 1: run does not automatically mean you are a good team,

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Speaker 1: but you cannot be a good team if you don't.

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Speaker 1: So this team now has a chance to start competing.

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Speaker 1: If you can't stop it, you can't compete well if

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Speaker 1: you can't stop there. And then you can't run the ball.

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Speaker 1: And the coach said he wants to run the ball

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Speaker 1: because you find yourself in a hole and you try

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Speaker 1: to stop it. Teams will never bother, right, So why

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Speaker 1: have pass rushers that you pay a lot of money to.

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Speaker 1: You're figuring an out? Do you think after seven years?

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Speaker 1: Do you think so? I think you're there. I appreciate that,

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Speaker 1: all right. I gotta love kicking drama on a Monday morning.

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Speaker 1: My hot take is that Josh Lambo has passed the test,

583
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Speaker 1: but the test is not over. He passed it yesterday.

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Speaker 1: We all heard head coach German Meyer in his press

585
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Speaker 1: conference last week say, yeah, make the field goal bluntly, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Josh Lambo made the field goals yesterday at Coach Meyer

587
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: praised him in post game. I don't think this test

588
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: is over though. I don't think that Urban Meyer trust

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Speaker 1: Josh lambocent. I wouldn't be surprised if maybe they bring

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Speaker 1: another kicker in here to compete with him at practice.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll see how it goes, but I

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Speaker 1: think Josh Lambo has some work to do. He got

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Speaker 1: a step closer yesterday, But pay attention to this. This

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Speaker 1: I don't think is solidified quite yet. I think he

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Speaker 1: really really wants to trust Josh Lambo. Um I think

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Speaker 1: Josh Lambo, throughout the course of his Jaguar's career has

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Speaker 1: done enough to be trusted. But within the time frame

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Speaker 1: that Meyer has watched him. You know, he had to

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Speaker 1: missus from fifty in the first two games. Um Meyer

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Speaker 1: would be disingenuous to come out and say I absolutely

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Speaker 1: trust him when when I've seen this. But Urban's interesting

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Speaker 1: to read in press conferences. I asked the question about

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Speaker 1: the specialist he was. He praised Josh Lambo and went

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Speaker 1: out of his way to praise Josh Lambo. And the

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Speaker 1: answer to me that shows that, yes, he passed the

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Speaker 1: test and he's believing in them more. There were times.

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Speaker 1: It's a shorter leash, I think than fans would expect

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Speaker 1: considering Lambo's history here. There were times in the practice

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Speaker 1: field this summer where the coach would go stand next

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Speaker 1: to him before he'd make a kick, and you could

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Speaker 1: tell that made him just about everything time. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: made Josh nervous. So he's pushed, push, pushed. It was

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Speaker 1: It's kind of good cop, bad cop. Was kind of

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Speaker 1: my sense of that. Here's my question, is it a

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Speaker 1: hipper who is the good cop? Urban was both Um

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Speaker 1: he was, He's bad cop during training camp. It was

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Speaker 1: a good cop yesterday. Is it a hipp ory yip right?

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Speaker 1: I mean, in other words, does he have a case

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Speaker 1: of the yips, you know where you just pulling it,

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Speaker 1: just like when you're on the golf course and you're

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Speaker 1: putting and you can't quite hit it. Or is it

622
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: that hip injury that's still you know, still giving him trouble.

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Speaker 1: I know that he went and worked with some specialists

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Speaker 1: and special physical therapy folks in the off season to

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Speaker 1: get himself to a point where he'd be able to

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Speaker 1: be consistent and to trust it. But it looks to

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Speaker 1: me like he may not trust it or he may

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Speaker 1: not be healthy. So I don't know whether this is

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Speaker 1: just him because the coach is standing next to him

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Speaker 1: in practice and he's yipping, or if it's the hip.

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Speaker 1: We'll find out. We will find out, but we know

632
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Speaker 1: it's one step closer. When he's good, he's really, really good.

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Speaker 1: He is very consistent. Right when we come back on

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Speaker 1: Jaguars Drive times, some closing thoughts. You're on the Jaguars

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