Speaker 1: Welcome to the best of the week for What's Right
Speaker 1: with Nick Right the best takes in moments from this
Speaker 1: week on the show. Enjoy. The Steelers beat the Ravens
Speaker 1: in justin epic final game two seventy two of the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five NFL season. And before I get to
Speaker 1: how seriously I'm taking the Steelers, the real story is,
Speaker 1: of course, this season from Baltimore, and the developing story
Speaker 1: is that at the moment it's ten forty five am
Speaker 1: Eastern on January sixth, what was happening five years ago today?
Speaker 1: At this time, it's ten forty five Eastern, six years ago.
Speaker 1: At this time, I should say, uh, and John Harbaugh
Speaker 1: still has a job. So right now it's status quo
Speaker 1: in Baltimore. And we'll get into that piece of it
Speaker 1: as well. But first I do want to show actual empathy,
Speaker 1: and I mean this. This isn't tongue in cheek, This
Speaker 1: isn't me being a smart ass, this isn't me doing
Speaker 1: any subtle I told you so stuff about Lamar who
Speaker 1: had such an interesting game Sunday night. But over the
Speaker 1: last ten years, it is hard to find a franchise
Speaker 1: that it's dealt with more end of season stomach punches
Speaker 1: than the Baltimore Ravens. And it's literally nine of the
Speaker 1: last ten years. So if I may go through it
Speaker 1: just quickly, because this does the Ravens, because they've had
Speaker 1: such success compared to mediocre or bad franchises, and because
Speaker 1: they've got a two time MVP and a coach people
Speaker 1: historically have really liked, and they've won two Super Bowls
Speaker 1: this decade. I'm sorry this century people don't look at
Speaker 1: them as like a cursed, cursed franchise. But here how
Speaker 1: the last ten seasons have ended in Baltimore. Twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: the eight and six Baltimore Ravens are playing the nine
Speaker 1: and five Pittsburgh Steelers. It is on Sunday Night Football
Speaker 1: with the de facto division title on the line. The
Speaker 1: Ravens have a three point lead. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it was a three or a four point lead. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna check to get because I want to make sure
Speaker 1: I have it right. They have a three point lead
Speaker 1: with ten seconds left and Ben Roethlisberger throws just short
Speaker 1: of the goal line to Antonio Brown, who gets hit
Speaker 1: and stopped and Pittsburgh has no timeouts. He stopped short
Speaker 1: of the goal line and as he's going down, he
Speaker 1: turns around reaches the ball over the back of his head. Touchdown.
Speaker 1: Division title. Baltimore loses the next week and misses the postseason.
Speaker 1: Next year, Baltimore is in a win and in scenario
Speaker 1: in Week seventeen against that got nothing to play for
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals and Andy Dalton. They have them in a
Speaker 1: fourth and twelve with forty seconds remaining, and the Bengals
Speaker 1: hit a sixty plus yard game winning insane touchdown pass
Speaker 1: to end the Raven season. The next year is the
Speaker 1: one year the reason I said nine out of ten
Speaker 1: with heartbreak, the one year that didn't end in heartbreak.
Speaker 1: The next year, the team's not good throws a figurative
Speaker 1: Hail Mary by going to Lamar Jackson at mid You know,
Speaker 1: late in the year, Lamar rips off a bunch of wins,
Speaker 1: they sneak into the playoffs. They get absolutely crushed in
Speaker 1: round one. But you had real reason for optimism, didn't
Speaker 1: expect necessarily, you didn't expect to look as bad as
Speaker 1: you did in Round one against the Chargers. But whatever,
Speaker 1: But twenty sixteen, you lose a Week sixteen game for
Speaker 1: the division in the final seconds. Twenty seventeen, you lose
Speaker 1: a winning You're in game on a fourth and twelve
Speaker 1: to Andy Dalton. Twenty nineteen. You have the number one seed,
Speaker 1: you have the unanimous MVP, and you get dog walked
Speaker 1: by the Tennessee Titans. In your first playoff game twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: it is a ten to three snowy, cold weather defensive
Speaker 1: battle in the divisional round. You are inside the ten
Speaker 1: yard line going in for the game tying touchdown as
Speaker 1: the waning moments of the fourth quarter approach of the
Speaker 1: third quarter. In the waiting moments of the third quarter,
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson picks six. You lose the game right there.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty one, you're eight and three. Lamar Jackson gets
Speaker 1: banged up. His coach thinks he'll be back soon. He
Speaker 1: never comes back. You finish eight and nine. Twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: you're having another solid year. You're nine to four. Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson gets banged up, his coach thinks he's coming back.
Speaker 1: You limp to the finish line, but make the playoffs anyway,
Speaker 1: and you're seventeen seventeen in a playoff game against the
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Angles with Tyler Huntley at quarterback, you're on the
Speaker 1: goal line. You run a quarterback sneak fumble return touchdown
Speaker 1: ninety nine yards. Lose that playoff game. Twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: you're the number one seed again. You have a home
Speaker 1: playoff game. You're the number one DVOA team, the number
Speaker 1: one DVOA defense, you have the MVP of the league
Speaker 1: at quarterback. You turn the ball over three times in
Speaker 1: that game, including a goal line fumble by Zay Flowers
Speaker 1: and end zone pick by Lamar Jackson. You lose seventeen
Speaker 1: to seven. Twenty twenty four, Lamar is the best year
Speaker 1: of his career, arguably despite not winning MVP. You get
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills again. You have a furious second half comeback,
Speaker 1: culminating in a two point conversion attempt to a wide
Speaker 1: open Mark Andrewsy fumbles and twenty twenty five, you have
Speaker 1: a season from hell, but you can make up for
Speaker 1: all of it by beating your hated rival Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 1: And you have another unbelievable fourth quarter by Lamar, including
Speaker 1: a fourth and seven conversion to Isaiah likely to give
Speaker 1: you a chip shot field goal, and your rookie kicker
Speaker 1: Tyler loop gaxit that is nine out of ten years
Speaker 1: of utter heartbreak, and the one year that was not
Speaker 1: included in the heartbreak was getting just annihilated in a
Speaker 1: playoff game Lamar's rookie season. That is torture. And I
Speaker 1: got real empathy for Ravens fans, honestly, and it's one
Speaker 1: of the reasons I'm so surprised John Harbaugh is still
Speaker 1: the coach, because even if that's not his fault, there's
Speaker 1: too much scar tissue at this point and it sure
Speaker 1: feels like a change needs to be made now. On
Speaker 1: the game itself, how do we evaluate Lamar's play such
Speaker 1: a weird game because for the first three quarters, and
Speaker 1: Collinsworth set it on the broadcast early in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: Lamar was five of ten for sixty seven yards and
Speaker 1: wasn't running the ball and had done nothing. And then
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter he played the best quarter of
Speaker 1: his life, including two of the best plays of his
Speaker 1: entire career, the two free rushers sandwiching him, him him
Speaker 1: avoiding that sack, and then hitting Zay Flowers on a
Speaker 1: fifty plus yard touchdown. As amazing as that was, I
Speaker 1: don't know if that was a better play than the
Speaker 1: fourth and seven season on the line, perfect throw and
Speaker 1: even better catch by likely to set up the chip
Speaker 1: shot field goal. So Lamar, you in sports, it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter how big of a hole you dig yourself. Ask
Speaker 1: my guy Trevor with his four interception playoff game, if
Speaker 1: your brilliance digs you out of it. The last two
Speaker 1: years the game ending losses for Baltimore, it is felt
Speaker 1: like Lamar helped dig them a big hole and then
Speaker 1: dug them this close to out of it with brilliant play,
Speaker 1: and then mistakes by other people cost him the full vindication.
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews cost him a shot at overtime and Tyler
Speaker 1: Loop cost him a win. But how do we do
Speaker 1: the math on that? It'd be ridiculous to pin the
Speaker 1: loss on Lamar, but it would also be ridiculous to
Speaker 1: give him credit for coming through in a game that
Speaker 1: they lost, and in part they lost because in the
Speaker 1: Bills game last year and the Steelers game this year
Speaker 1: really really shaky first half performances including a turnover or
Speaker 1: in the Bill's game, a couple turnovers, So that part
Speaker 1: is hard to parse and history probably won't remember the
Speaker 1: details as much as more big games that the Ravens
Speaker 1: were favored in. And that's the other piece that I
Speaker 1: didn't even mention in this favored in that game against
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, favored in obvious, the game against the Bills,
Speaker 1: favored in, the game against Pittsburgh lost, lost loss. Now,
Speaker 1: the very end of the game, should John Harbaugh have
Speaker 1: attempted to put Tyler Loop in a better position? The
Speaker 1: easy answer is yes, why didn't he? The uncomfortable answer
Speaker 1: is because Derrick Henry had a fumbling problem this year,
Speaker 1: and all of that matters. The fact that the Ravens
Speaker 1: moved on from Justin Tucker to a rookie kicker mattered
Speaker 1: this year, the fact that Derrick Henry fumbled early in
Speaker 1: the year and seemed to be in his head about it,
Speaker 1: despite how brilliant he was. If it wasn't in his head,
Speaker 1: it was in Harball's because you had fourteen seconds, you
Speaker 1: had one time out, and you were staring at a
Speaker 1: forty one yard field goal in the toughest stadium to
Speaker 1: kick in the sport. And instead of asking Derrick Henry
Speaker 1: to make it a thirty five yard field goal or
Speaker 1: maybe a zero yard field goal if he pops one,
Speaker 1: you made it a forty four yard field goal. Because
Speaker 1: you don't want to risk the turnover. Also, Lamar told
Speaker 1: us that not long before Tyler looped and I don't
Speaker 1: know if Harbaugh knew this. Not long before Tyler loop
Speaker 1: goes to take the kick that will define his entire
Speaker 1: NFL career, most likely Lamar flipped out on him on
Speaker 1: the sidelines. He kicked the ball out of bounds. That's
Speaker 1: gotta be tough for the rookie kicker. I don't know
Speaker 1: how confident he was walking into that kick, and we
Speaker 1: only the cameras didn't catch that. Lamar told us that
Speaker 1: after the game. But ultimately the reason the Ravens lost
Speaker 1: was because they were not a good team this year.
Speaker 1: They were an eight to nine team in every fashion.
Speaker 1: They had moments of brilliant defense and moments of horrific defense,
Speaker 1: and that was over the course of the season, and
Speaker 1: in the final game of the year, their quarterback had
Speaker 1: moments of brilliant play and moments of the shakiest play
Speaker 1: of his career. That was all season, and in Week eighteen.
Speaker 1: They're coached by a special teams coach, and the special
Speaker 1: teams were shaky throughout the season, and then they lost
Speaker 1: it for him in Week eighteen. That was not a
Speaker 1: great football team, and that was not a team that,
Speaker 1: had they won, they were going to be super dangerous,
Speaker 1: even though people tried to convince themselves they would be.
Speaker 1: That was a team that needed the Cleveland Browns and
Speaker 1: Shadoor Sanders to win a Week seventeen game just to
Speaker 1: make Week eighteen matter for them. And so why will
Speaker 1: this team be different next year? Well, right now, as
Speaker 1: I keep checking my phone for an update, it doesn't
Speaker 1: look like they're going to be. Which Lamar was asked
Speaker 1: after the game if he wants Harbaugh back next year,
Speaker 1: and he said, I can't focus on that right now.
Speaker 1: We just lost, which is a damning and telling answer.
Speaker 1: And I have been of the informed belief that Lamar
Speaker 1: is over John Harbaugh. Lamar's answer to that question just
Speaker 1: furthered that belief, which again is not naked speculation. And
Speaker 1: if I were the Ravens, I'd almost always picked the
Speaker 1: player over the coach. It doesn't seem like they have
Speaker 1: any interest in moving on from Lamar, so I just
Speaker 1: assumed they knew they had to move on from Harbaugh.
Speaker 1: And again, by the time you listen to this, maybe
Speaker 1: that will have happened. But it has not happened yet,
Speaker 1: and the Lamar contracts situation becomes very tricky because he
Speaker 1: has got two years left on what is now a
Speaker 1: drastically undermarket deal that averages fifty two million dollars a year.
Speaker 1: The top of the market's now sixty. Also, they need
Speaker 1: to rework that deal because it's got a cap hit
Speaker 1: of seventy five million dollars next year and the year after,
Speaker 1: which is completely untenable. And Lamar, who turned twenty nine
Speaker 1: tomorrow and is coming off his worst year as a
Speaker 1: pro and a year with five injuries, is going to
Speaker 1: want a top of market, fully guaranteed contract. And if
Speaker 1: the Ravens keep John Harbaugh, what was already going to
Speaker 1: be a very tough contract negotiation for the Baltimore Ravens
Speaker 1: with Lamar, I think we'll get that much tougher. So
Speaker 1: I don't want to spend too much time right now
Speaker 1: on the Lamar future Harball future angle, just because I
Speaker 1: still feel like this could become day in hours, because
Speaker 1: I still feel like the Ravens are probably moving on
Speaker 1: from Hardball, but it hasn't happened yet. We will get
Speaker 1: Demands's thoughts on this, and I will explain why I
Speaker 1: think the Steelers are an actual threat in just a moment.
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Speaker 1: All right, demanse, let's get to Harball before we get
Speaker 1: to some of the other games.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: So, sadly, after eighteen seasons, twelve postseason appearances in a
Speaker 3: Super Bowl ring, the Ravens are partner ways with John Harball.
Speaker 3: You everything would call this on Tuesday, But now that
Speaker 3: it's official, where are the Ravens going?
Speaker 1: So it's really interesting interviewing Brian flores Uh found that
Speaker 1: out today. I I would be really interested in Mike
Speaker 1: McDaniel just got fired and a lot of people are
Speaker 1: connecting Harbaugh to the Dolphins.
Speaker 2: I couldn't see him coaching.
Speaker 1: I couldn't see who coaching was.
Speaker 2: I couldn't see Harball coaching in Miami.
Speaker 1: Well, I think there's like a weird Steve. I think
Speaker 1: I should know this. I think there's some Michigan connections
Speaker 1: Stephen Ross, but doesn't matter. Like the I think it'd
Speaker 1: be hard to go from Lamar Jackson to two, but
Speaker 1: they're not even gonna have Tua. Like what are they
Speaker 1: gonna do?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Miami's in a tough spot. I what's funny not funny,
Speaker 1: But what's interesting is I thought Mike McDaniel as the
Speaker 1: Ravens offensive coordinator was an awesome idea, like that running
Speaker 1: game that he did developed, except you have Lamar and
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry, Like that would be you know, Mike McDaniel
Speaker 1: as as it was like Matt Nagy's leaving the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: I know it's different systems and everything, but man, oh man,
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel's the Chiefs offensive coordinator is something I'm super
Speaker 1: intrigued by, even though I think it's very unlikely. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe McDaniel thinks he's gonna step into a head coaching job.
Speaker 1: That would surprise me. I don't think he's gonna go right,
Speaker 1: but maybe he will. His record wasn't terrible, the team
Speaker 1: didn't quit at the end, and some people might be like,
Speaker 1: look at what he did with Tua. As far as
Speaker 1: the Ravens decision on firing Harball. I there was no decision, guys,
Speaker 1: the and I've done enough victory lapping on Twitter, so
Speaker 1: I don't need to. And it's not victory lapping about
Speaker 1: someone losing their job, to be clear, victory lapping on
Speaker 1: I told you guys all year there was a problem
Speaker 1: between Lamar and Harrball, and you guys thought I was
Speaker 1: just I spun a wheel. People thought like, oh, Nick
Speaker 1: just decided today, he's gonna create this out of thin air,
Speaker 1: as opposed to a paying close attention to the incredibly
Speaker 1: odd objective fact that they didn't communicate about how hurt
Speaker 1: he was and also having a little behind the scenes insights.
Speaker 1: So their ability to ensure Lamar was a Raven for
Speaker 1: life and was a raven next year was going to
Speaker 1: be kneecapped had they kept Harball. So they didn't, so
Speaker 1: they move on. And even though tell me if this
Speaker 1: makes sense to you, de Monse, the odds are the
Speaker 1: next coach of the Ravens is not near as good
Speaker 1: of a coach as John Harball. But that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that coach won't be the one to get him over
Speaker 1: the hump.
Speaker 2: He might be a.
Speaker 1: Worse coach, but also like that they just need something
Speaker 1: new or better luck or whatever it is, and that
Speaker 1: it felt like you couldn't just run it back again
Speaker 1: with Harball. So I felt like the move needed to
Speaker 1: be made, even though I think Harball is an excellent
Speaker 1: coach that tracked to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely don't think the next coach that we
Speaker 3: would get will be better or as.
Speaker 2: Good as John Harball.
Speaker 3: I think it's it's gonna be pretty hard to find
Speaker 3: Belichick wanted them to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it sounds contradictory. Is the Belichick thing so
Speaker 1: interesting had he not had this embarrassment of a year
Speaker 1: in his coaching? Yes, I really think so. And you
Speaker 1: wouldn't care that that he's old, that it's not long term,
Speaker 1: because it's like, no, we just need to get over
Speaker 1: the whole lamar For Harball, obviously, I think he could
Speaker 1: have his pick of jobs. If I'm John Harbaugh, I
Speaker 1: don't know that I want any of these jobs. I
Speaker 1: certainly because it was reported yesterday that he's gonna wait
Speaker 1: a week before he starts taking interviews. I think that's
Speaker 1: smart because I'd be awful interested in if the Eagles,
Speaker 1: Bill's or Packers losing Round one to any of those teams,
Speaker 1: ownership decide we're gonna fire our coach to hire Harball. Now,
Speaker 1: on that note, I think Cincinnati should reach out to
Speaker 1: harror Ball's agent today and be like, if this job
Speaker 1: was open, would he take it? And if the answers yes,
Speaker 1: I'd fire Zach Taylor. Now that's not really Cincinnati's style.
Speaker 1: For Philadelphia, it might sound harsh, Sirianni is literally the
Speaker 1: defending Super Bowl champion, but Howie Roseman and Jeffrey Loriie
Speaker 1: have never cared about being harsh. They drafted Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: number two overall, gave him a huge contract, moved on
Speaker 1: from him. Doug Peterson won a Super Bowl with Nick Foles,
Speaker 1: then won a Playoff game the next year with Nick Foles.
Speaker 1: They moved on from him. They moved like they will
Speaker 1: if they think they can get better, they will move
Speaker 1: on from somebody. And I think Harbaugh, who came like
Speaker 1: started coaching in Philly. I think that's really interesting there.
Speaker 1: Buffalo less interesting, and he, Danny explained, I didn't quite
Speaker 1: follow it. He has some real like green Bay ties
Speaker 1: about like his who his agent is, and the green
Speaker 1: Bay I don't totally follow it doesn't matter, but it
Speaker 1: seemed like Lafleoor midway through the season there was little
Speaker 1: scuttle but about Lafleur not being quite as safe as
Speaker 1: people thought and how he hadn't gotten an extension. So
Speaker 1: if I'm Harball, I just want to wait and see
Speaker 1: do what does a job come open where the quarterback
Speaker 1: is set Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts, Jordan Love or am
Speaker 1: I gonna have to roll the Jackson Dart Dice or
Speaker 1: Atlanta with Michael Pennix. Like, So that's what I think.
Speaker 3: Is those places went over there would be more likely
Speaker 3: to move off the quarterback though, right Like it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: he's obvious.
Speaker 2: It's not the coach that's the problem.
Speaker 3: It's the quarterback more likely to oh you have a
Speaker 3: little bit more control over who's coming in.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I think John Harball will get
Speaker 1: whatever he wants because there's also not another great head
Speaker 1: coaching option out there. Yeah, it's not like there's also
Speaker 1: Sean Payton and Jim Harball waiting in the wings or
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson. You know that guy doesn't seem to exist
Speaker 1: this cycle. Now, let me say this about what this
Speaker 1: means pardon me, guys, what this means for Lamar?
Speaker 3: Come come with it next year, dude.
Speaker 2: They have.
Speaker 1: Changed defensive coordinators multiple times since he's been there. Again,
Speaker 1: no culpability on his end for that, just stating effect.
Speaker 1: They've changed offensive coordinators multiple times and they're about to
Speaker 1: do it again. They've now changed head coaches. They brought
Speaker 1: in Derrick Henry, who has been nothing but dominant since
Speaker 1: he became a Raven. We can argue about how good
Speaker 1: these picks were, but since Lamar has been there, they
Speaker 1: have spent three first round picks on wide receiver. They
Speaker 1: perennially lead the league or near the top of the
Speaker 1: league in Pro bowlers on the roster. And now I believe,
Speaker 1: with reason to believe, he got what he wanted and
Speaker 1: he's getting a new head coach. Got to go be
Speaker 1: awesome now. And more than being awesome, you gotta be available.
Speaker 1: You want to know a shocking fact, Demons, In the
Speaker 1: last five years, Lamar Jackson and always injured brittle Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow have played the exact same amount of games. No,
Speaker 1: that's true. I'm not making that up.
Speaker 2: That is an insane stat.
Speaker 1: In the last five years, Lamar Jackson has played seventy
Speaker 1: regular season games and four playoff games, and Joe Burrow's
Speaker 1: played sixty seven regular season games and seven playoff games.
Speaker 1: To the tune of them both playing in the last
Speaker 1: five years seventy four games. In the last five years,
Speaker 1: they both have played in the playoffs two years and
Speaker 1: either missed or not been healthy for the playoffs the
Speaker 1: other three years. For context on that, in the last
Speaker 1: five years, Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes have also played
Speaker 1: the exact same number of games ninety three, so nineteen games,
Speaker 1: more more than a full season in a playoff run
Speaker 1: of more availability. And the Lamar stat is stunning, isn't it?
Speaker 1: Because we look at Burrow as.
Speaker 2: Injury always, I thought.
Speaker 1: Right, and with Joe we also like and their very
Speaker 1: what do you call it, like significant injuries, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like Joe Burrow, like, oh he's out
Speaker 1: months with a turf toe. Oh he's out the end
Speaker 1: of the season. With the UCL Lamar they it's I
Speaker 1: couldn't when I didn't know that. When I was looking
Speaker 1: it up, I was just like, I'm curious.
Speaker 3: Well, you feel like with Lamar they are less crucial
Speaker 3: injuries than.
Speaker 1: Well, they're not. It hasn't been like needed surgery like
Speaker 1: Joe needed on both the right, but the it's stunning
Speaker 1: seventy four games each, so he's got to be available.
Speaker 1: He turned twenty nine yesterday. He's gonna get the biggest
Speaker 1: contract in NFL history this offseason. It's got to go perform.
Speaker 1: And I'm not sitting here saying he can't do it.
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Speaker 3: Right so the playoffs are officially here, wildcar Wee can
Speaker 3: coming up. A lot of the big dogs are missing
Speaker 3: out of the playoffs. So with that being said, in
Speaker 3: the teams that you see, what are some of the
Speaker 3: big storylines that you'll be following this postseason?
Speaker 1: So top five storylines in order. I think I reserve
Speaker 1: the right to revise it, and I listen. I saw
Speaker 1: my friend Mina Kimes and Dominique Foxworth mocking this idea,
Speaker 1: but respectfully, they're wrong. The most interesting story about these
Speaker 1: these NFL playoffs are is this the year Josh Allen
Speaker 1: breaks through. I understand they're the sixth seed. I understand
Speaker 1: they are a flawed team with a bad run defense,
Speaker 1: but this is not Josh Allen on the Washington Generals.
Speaker 1: They have the rushing champ, they have an excellent pass defense,
Speaker 1: they have a great offensive line that there it would be.
Speaker 1: It's going to take greatness from Josh Allen to make
Speaker 1: it through on the road this playoff field, but it's doable.
Speaker 1: And I wonder I for Bills fans, forget for Josh.
Speaker 1: Would Bills fans rather have a better team, the best
Speaker 1: Bills team, whatever year you think that is, But have
Speaker 1: Mahomes and Burrow in the field, or a flawed team
Speaker 1: but have no Mahomes in Burrow. I think Bill's fans
Speaker 1: would say, give me the flawed team on the road
Speaker 1: without the bugeyman plus Joe Burrow sitting in the bracket,
Speaker 1: and I think the Bills can do it now. I
Speaker 1: also think the Jags are a very dangerous team. I
Speaker 1: said this on TV. I don't know if I said
Speaker 1: it on here, and you'll find you'll find out who
Speaker 1: I'm picking in this game, uh later in the show.
Speaker 1: But I believe the winner of this game is going
Speaker 1: to win the AFC. I believe in both of these
Speaker 1: teams more than I believe in the top two seeds
Speaker 1: the Patriots and the Broncos. So that is to me.
Speaker 1: Storyline number one is can Josh Allen breakthrough? That's the
Speaker 1: most interesting storyline. Storyline number two is will any of
Speaker 1: these year two quarterbacks go on a run? You have Caleb,
Speaker 1: you have Drake, you have both. Drake has the most
Speaker 1: well rounded team. Well, I don't know. The Broncos might
Speaker 1: be a more well rounded team than the Patriots. The Broncos,
Speaker 1: let me, I take that back, because I actually part
Speaker 1: of the reason that I think the Patriots are better
Speaker 1: than the Broncos is because I think Drake is so
Speaker 1: much better than both. But if you were to, if
Speaker 1: you take the quarterbacks off of it and evaluate the rosters,
Speaker 1: it's probably Bronco's number one. The Bears are an interesting
Speaker 1: one because the offense is so good, but the defense
Speaker 1: of those three teams is the shakiest. But here's what
Speaker 1: I'm getting at, Demanse and listen, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: believe in bow Knicks, but it's the number one seed,
Speaker 1: and if he goes on a playoff run, I don't
Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna say. Yeah, we live in a
Speaker 1: world where Mahomes missed the playoffs and just tore his
Speaker 1: Acol Lamar missed the playoffs as coach, just got fired.
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow missed the playoffs for the third straight year. Okay,
Speaker 1: if one of these second year quarterbacks goes on a
Speaker 1: real run, wins multiple playoff games, shows up in the
Speaker 1: super Bowl, whomever it is. Assuming again, and I don't
Speaker 1: even really want to include bo Nicks in this, but
Speaker 1: I have to be fair, assuming that it's not the
Speaker 1: two thousand Ravens way to the Super Bowl that the
Speaker 1: offense more than carries its weight, which obviously would have
Speaker 1: to happen with the Patriots or the Bears. Right, does
Speaker 1: that top of the NFL, not the very top, but
Speaker 1: the top ish of the NFL quarterback pyramid have to
Speaker 1: start to include one of these kids? Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like the if Drake May and the
Speaker 1: Patriots make the Super Bowl. I already think Drake May
Speaker 1: is probably a top five quarterback, then it becomes undeniable.
Speaker 1: If Caleb puts it all together, God forbid, if bo
Speaker 1: Nicks wins two playoff games and makes like so, which
Speaker 1: of these young quarterbacks are any of them gonna go
Speaker 1: on a run? And are any of these young quarterbacks
Speaker 1: bow at least has been to the playoffs going to
Speaker 1: have you know, those first playoff game jitters or first
Speaker 1: real expectations in the playoffs. You know stumble That to
Speaker 1: me is the second biggest storyline. Go ahead. It seems
Speaker 1: like you want to say something.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, but bow Nick's getting there.
Speaker 3: I feel like you'd attribute you would attribute that to
Speaker 3: the defense carrying.
Speaker 2: I think it also depends on how they yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: how they do on the run.
Speaker 1: Right, you gotta see how the game plays out. I
Speaker 1: think the third biggest storyline is and again I know
Speaker 1: that I'm quarterback centric in this, but because the storylines
Speaker 1: are typically third biggest storyline is what if Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: goes on a run. I don't. I don't think it's likely,
Speaker 1: but after that game against Baltimore, I don't think it's impossible.
Speaker 3: Is that ere another super Bowl? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean the guy's got four MVPs. The guy as
Speaker 1: regular season wise, he's a top three quarterback of all time,
Speaker 1: and so I obviously winning a super Bowl puts him
Speaker 1: in a the it's a totally different world worry to
Speaker 1: win a super Bowl. But I don't even if he
Speaker 1: just they break the Steelers break their decade long playoff
Speaker 1: win drought, pull off some upsets, they show up in
Speaker 1: a conference championship game, be unbelievable and so I and
Speaker 1: the Browns game was an abomination. But aside from that,
Speaker 1: he's been really good for the last five weeks and
Speaker 1: he gets dk.
Speaker 2: Metcalf back, so no DK insane.
Speaker 1: I know the and not having DK almost costs him
Speaker 1: the their season. I think the fourth biggest storyline is,
Speaker 1: and maybe this should have been bigger, is what if
Speaker 1: the Eagles repeat, Yeah, nobody want under the radar. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've kind of been flying under the radar as a
Speaker 1: defending Super Bowl champion, and I think it's because they
Speaker 1: have seemed flawed, so flawed all year. But if they
Speaker 1: go back, like if they go back to back, what
Speaker 1: that means for everyone involved on that team all of
Speaker 1: a sudden. Jalen Hurts is a no doubt Hall of famer,
Speaker 1: the you know, the Howie Roseman and the Eagles. Maybe
Speaker 1: they got an argument that they, not the Chiefs, are
Speaker 1: the the prestige franchise. Well, I listen to the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: The Chiefs have been to five Super Bowls in seven
Speaker 1: years now and one three. The Eagles would have been
Speaker 1: to three and four years one two, and then if
Speaker 1: we extend it back to Foles, it's hard to call
Speaker 1: that like part of this. It's a different coach, it's
Speaker 1: different quarterback, but it would have been they've been if
Speaker 1: they win this year that in nine years, Demons, they
Speaker 1: went to four super Bowls, won three. That's pretty unbelievable.
Speaker 2: It's so hard to imagine them repeating given other seasons.
Speaker 1: That's the thing I just don't it doesn't seem possible,
Speaker 1: but maybe, But they're big favorites, relatively big favorites against
Speaker 1: the Niners in round one. No one would be shocked
Speaker 1: if they went on the road and beat Chicago in
Speaker 1: round two. And if Chicago loses in round one, then
Speaker 1: Philly would be home for round two. Like there's a
Speaker 1: path there. And then number five is which of the
Speaker 1: two NFC West juggernaut teams is able to in the
Speaker 1: playoffs look the way they did most of the regular season,
Speaker 1: which is like the best team in football for either
Speaker 1: of them, the Rams and the Seahawks. The Rams path
Speaker 1: is harder, but their quarterback is so much better. The Seahawks, though,
Speaker 1: being at home, being rested, being healthy, with that defense
Speaker 1: in that crowd. Dude, I am not dismissing at all
Speaker 1: the very real possibility of the Seattle Seahawks winning the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I think that's Sam darnoald the Seahawks can
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl. I can't believe it. I think
Speaker 1: right now my pick would be Matt Stafford in the Rams,
Speaker 1: but I think Seahawks can do it. In order to
Speaker 1: keep the five hundred or better streak alive. I think
Speaker 1: four of the five years on this pod we've been
Speaker 1: five hundred or better. We needed to go three and
Speaker 1: two or better the final weekend. Let's go through it.
Speaker 1: Because we laid two and a half with Tampa. They
Speaker 1: won by two, so now we gotta go three and
Speaker 1: one down the stretch. Seattle minus one felt great the
Speaker 1: whole way. Raiders plus five and a half. I told you, guys,
Speaker 1: my god, that Chiefs offense is just so bad. So
Speaker 1: now we just need one win in the late windows.
Speaker 1: Miami plus twelve felt dead pretty early. So it all
Speaker 1: came down to Pittsburgh against Baltimore. And you have I
Speaker 1: was rooting for Pittsburgh to win. Outright, that's great because
Speaker 1: I picked them. I know it makes you said, but
Speaker 1: I picked them, and I uh, and I just the
Speaker 1: so I was rooting for it despite that. You should
Speaker 1: have seen how I reacted to Boswell's missed extra point.
Speaker 1: Because Boswell's miss miss sextra point, I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: plus three and a half is home. Like, now there's
Speaker 1: no overtime, there's no funny business. Now it's either gonna
Speaker 1: be a Raven's two point win or Pittsburgh. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: a Raven's one point winner. A Pittsburgh two point win,
Speaker 1: so we got it for forty four and two. Nothing
Speaker 1: to write home about. You would have lost money on
Speaker 1: it because of the big but still going five hundred
Speaker 1: picking games is I'll call it difficult. I would have
Speaker 1: liked to do better. The only the only piece of
Speaker 1: our gambling show that was dominant, and we'll get to
Speaker 1: it more in a moment, was Demonse's teasers, which I
Speaker 1: am considering next year to Monsey putting real funds behind.
Speaker 1: Like I am, I'm considering having a huge portion of
Speaker 1: my twenty twenty six football gambling portfolio b Demons's teasers.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you are I mean you really you can
Speaker 1: a great job that well, you did a great job
Speaker 1: you It was just impressive. Yeah, we'll get we'll get
Speaker 1: to that in a moment. But now all lines are
Speaker 1: of course from hard Rock Bet. But I'm told something
Speaker 1: that there's a twist this year.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, so we're gonna you're gonna be picking on
Speaker 3: all the games, but I'm gonna be going ahead to
Speaker 3: head with you in picking picking games as well. For you,
Speaker 3: you stepped over to the teaser landscape, I'm gonna step
Speaker 3: over to the pigs landscape.
Speaker 1: Okay, love it, and so I don't know where we
Speaker 1: agree or disagree. So why don't you So you set
Speaker 1: up the you say the game. I'll say my pick,
Speaker 1: and then you say where you stand on it.
Speaker 3: Okay, So first we got the Rams minus ten and
Speaker 3: a half at Carolina.
Speaker 2: You're taking the Rams there.
Speaker 1: Listen, this is a I believe square play. The home favorite.
Speaker 1: Home dogs. Big home dogs in the playoffs are always cover.
Speaker 1: The producers tell me there have only been nine home
Speaker 1: dogs in the playoffs since nineteen seventy of greater than
Speaker 1: four points, and they're one and eight. The road favorite
Speaker 1: is one and eight against the spread. I understand that,
Speaker 1: and ten and a half is a ton of points.
Speaker 1: I just believe Carolina is not only the worst team
Speaker 1: that made the playoffs. I don't think they're a good team.
Speaker 1: I think that there were five or six teams that
Speaker 1: missed the playoffs that right now this week I think
Speaker 1: are better than Carolina. Yea, and the fact that the
Speaker 1: Rams played them and lost to them will give them
Speaker 1: just enough appropriate fear to know. It doesn't matter that
Speaker 1: we're double digit favorites. We have to take care of business.
Speaker 1: I will swallow this huge number and lay the ten
Speaker 1: and a half with the Rams.
Speaker 2: Your thoughts, I'm taking I'm taking Carolina there. I knew
Speaker 2: you would.
Speaker 3: I'm uh yeah, no, I'm I'm I trust Carolina. And
Speaker 3: that's It's a lot of points.
Speaker 1: Honestly, Yeah, I was gonna say, you just like the points.
Speaker 1: It's totally fine. It's a lot of points.
Speaker 3: So that's that's why I am there. I mean, all right,
Speaker 3: next one, the next one. You got Chicago plus one
Speaker 3: versus Green Bay.
Speaker 1: Listen, Chicago's at home. And I think they're better than
Speaker 1: the Packers, and they have played the Packers twice. Both
Speaker 1: games came down to the final moments. But the Packers
Speaker 1: are the are not the same team from an injury reperspective.
Speaker 2: They were playing right.
Speaker 1: Jordan Love hasn't played the Packers. Obviously, don't have Micah,
Speaker 1: don't have Tucker Kraft, don't have a lot of key guys.
Speaker 1: They when they played the Bears the first time, cale
Speaker 1: about to pass into the end zone to potentially, you know,
Speaker 1: tie the game. I think they probably would have gone
Speaker 1: for two. He threw the pick, and when they played
Speaker 1: him the second time, he had the pass in overtime
Speaker 1: to win the game. I think the Bears are better,
Speaker 1: the Bears are home, the Bears are healthier. I did
Speaker 1: not like how the Bears played this weekend. I still
Speaker 1: think the Packers won nine games because they were about
Speaker 1: the quality. Once everybody got hurt of a nine win team,
Speaker 1: I'll take Chicago plus one.
Speaker 3: The Bears might have the better coach. Oh, we know
Speaker 3: these days, but yeah, I took Chicago there too. I
Speaker 3: don't know if you said that.
Speaker 1: The Okay, so we're on the same page there all
Speaker 1: right now, same.
Speaker 3: Page there, Jacksonville plus one versus Buffalo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm taking the Jags plus the points. And
Speaker 1: you might say what points its point? I gotta be
Speaker 1: honest with my dear friends at hard Rock. Bet I'm
Speaker 1: disappointed that I can't that this isn't one and a half,
Speaker 1: and I really want that half point because I think so.
Speaker 1: Let me explain my pick here, Okay. I think Jacksonville
Speaker 1: is the more well rounded team and the team that
Speaker 1: currently is playing better. I also think Buffalo's tendency to
Speaker 1: play poor early and then rally late could be a
Speaker 1: problem for them in this game. If Jacksonville is able
Speaker 1: to shorten the game by efficient passing and running the
Speaker 1: ball with etn. Also the reason I said I want
Speaker 1: that half point is for some reason or another, deep
Speaker 1: down kind of think Buffalo is gonna win this game
Speaker 1: by one, and so like that a twenty four to
Speaker 1: twenty three Bill's win. And so I know this is
Speaker 1: the definition of kind of having it both ways. I
Speaker 1: get that I don't have a super strong conviction. I
Speaker 1: really liked when I thought I was gonna be getting
Speaker 1: I thought when this game, I thought it was gonna
Speaker 1: be Bill's or minus two and a half, but it
Speaker 1: was Bill's minus one and a half. And now it's
Speaker 1: Bill's minus one. But I will take Jacksonville plus one.
Speaker 1: And to be clear, because I see what the producers
Speaker 1: wrote said the number one storyline was Josh breaking through.
Speaker 1: To me, those storylines were not all predictions. It was
Speaker 1: what the biggest storyline is, will Josh break through? And
Speaker 1: this bet can it? You know Bills, the Bills win
Speaker 1: by one. There is no way to win this pick
Speaker 1: in either direction. It would mean the line's exactly right.
Speaker 1: I just think I think the Jags, they're a thirteen
Speaker 1: win team that's at home, that's healthy, that's playing great.
Speaker 1: They shouldn't be home dogs. So I just I'm obligated
Speaker 1: to this. I don't love it. You never love you
Speaker 1: never love picking against the team that you think is
Speaker 1: more likely to win because you're getting the points, but
Speaker 1: the points you're getting are one one. You know, you
Speaker 1: don't love that, you really don't love that. But it
Speaker 1: is Jacksonville plus one.
Speaker 3: I took Buffalo minus the point just because if Josh
Speaker 3: Allen does not go out there and it's gonna be
Speaker 3: really bad for him, it's going to be really bad
Speaker 3: for Buffalo. I think if they don't go out and
Speaker 3: get this win. So I took with minus the points.
Speaker 3: But San Francisco plus four and a half at Philly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll take the Niners plus the points. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just I think that I think this should be Philly
Speaker 1: minus three, and it's Philly minus four and a half,
Speaker 1: and I think San Francisco can win. I certainly just
Speaker 1: I don't trust Philadelphia to look impressive offensively again against
Speaker 1: teams that had a pulse down the stretch. Beat the
Speaker 1: Bills by one, lost to the Chargers by three in overtime,
Speaker 1: lost to the Bears by nine, beat the Lions, who
Speaker 1: had a pulse at that point in time, by nine,
Speaker 1: but beat the Packers by three, lost to the Broncos
Speaker 1: by four, like they just even early in the year,
Speaker 1: beat the Cowboys by four, beat the Chiefs by three.
Speaker 1: That Rams game, you'll that, you'll oh, they beat the
Speaker 1: Rams by seven. Not really, they were beating the Rams
Speaker 1: by one. The Rams were attempting a game winning field
Speaker 1: goal and then it got blocked and returned for a touchdown.
Speaker 1: They beat the Bucks by six, like their wins by
Speaker 1: real margin this year. They're how a more than one
Speaker 1: score wins the Giants, the Raiders, the Commanders. So and
Speaker 1: I understand it's not like I'm getting seven and a half.
Speaker 1: I'm getting four and a half, But I do. I
Speaker 1: thought the Niners defense played its best game in forever
Speaker 1: against Seattle, and I think that if they it now.
Speaker 1: Trent Williams not practicing Wednesday, I don't love. I've got
Speaker 1: to imagine he will play in this game Sunday. I
Speaker 1: like that this game is Sunday instead of Saturday. For
Speaker 1: that purpose, I think San Francisco can win. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: more than a field goal against a team whose offense
Speaker 1: is broken. I'll take San Francisco plus four and a half.
Speaker 3: I'm riding with you there y, yeah, okay, all right,
Speaker 3: Chargers plus four at New England.
Speaker 1: I think the Pats win, but I think the Pats
Speaker 1: win by three. I'll take the four points. I'm underdog heavy,
Speaker 1: but I just I can't this is this would be traumatic.
Speaker 1: And I understand his offensive line's brutal. I got it.
Speaker 1: This would be traumatic for Herbert. If he lays another egg.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to win. Like, I'm not gonna that.
Speaker 1: They aren't as good as New England. They're on the road.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna if he, you know, plays a normal
Speaker 1: Herbert game and they just lose. Now, he's not gonna
Speaker 1: get like bonus credit, but I'm not gonna kill him
Speaker 1: for it. But he can't lay an egg. I don't
Speaker 1: imagine he will. He's been carrying this team on the
Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball throughout the year. The defense.
Speaker 1: But the real the real reason that I like grabbing
Speaker 1: the points heer to Masse is Drake may has not
Speaker 1: faced a defense as good as the Chargers defense. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's done it all year. Like I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think who's the best defense the Patriots faced.
Speaker 1: I I can't find a good one. And the Steelers.
Speaker 1: I guess you could argue they turn the ball over
Speaker 1: five times the Panthers, like early in the year, I
Speaker 1: don't know, like the Bills. The Bills pass defense has
Speaker 1: been really good all year. Drake May threw zero touchdowns
Speaker 1: against him in two games. Now, listen, this isn't me.
Speaker 1: I'm I think the are gonna win. But I get
Speaker 1: four points and what I think will be a low scoring,
Speaker 1: cold game at night, and I just don't think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a prolific passing attack. I also think Vrabel
Speaker 1: can shorten the game if he needs to. I'll take
Speaker 1: the four points with the Chargers taking the four. Okay,
Speaker 1: so right now, our only difference is you've got Carolina
Speaker 1: plus ten and a half and you've got the Bills
Speaker 1: minus one. Other than that, we're on the same page,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 3: Last one, last yeart Pittsburgh plus three versus Houston.
Speaker 1: I think Steelers are gonna win. And I understand Tomlin
Speaker 1: hasn't won a playoff game in a decade. I get it.
Speaker 1: They get DJ Metcalf back, They're coming off that type
Speaker 1: of victory. Houston's offense never got fixed. It got a pulse,
Speaker 1: but it never got fixed. There is this weird stat
Speaker 1: only I care about, which is that Mike Tomlin's the
Speaker 1: greatest Monday night football coach ever. He's twenty two and
Speaker 1: three in his career on Monday nights and twelve and
Speaker 1: oh at home. He's been the head coach for twenty years.
Speaker 1: He's never lost a home Monday night game. This is
Speaker 1: a home Monday night game, and I think that Rogers
Speaker 1: is going to be for the first time all year,
Speaker 1: Demonsey willing to stand in the pocket and get hit
Speaker 1: if he needs to be because they're in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: And again, just like a kind of auto gambling rule.
Speaker 1: I know it has not been a good rule in
Speaker 1: the playoffs the last decade, but Mike Tomlin at home
Speaker 1: getting points, I just gotta I gotta be on that
Speaker 1: side of it. So I'll take Pittsburgh plus the three.
Speaker 3: Rogers might get mangled, though he might, that would be
Speaker 3: a good Yeah, I'm with you on I'm with you
Speaker 3: on that.
Speaker 2: To Pittsburgh plus three.
Speaker 1: Great, So we only have two differences. Yeah, but my
Speaker 1: picksar the Rams minus ten and a half and then
Speaker 1: all the underdogs Chicago plus one, Jacksonville plus one, the
Speaker 1: Niners plus four, and a half the chargers plus four,
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh plus three