Speaker 1: What's up, guys. Just a reminder to all of you
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Speaker 2: Welcome to episode number four thirty one of the Marine
Speaker 2: Layer podcast. Lalanar are both back from Philadelphia and we'll
Speaker 2: react to the Mariners taking two of three the first
Speaker 2: series of the second half against the Giants.
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Speaker 2: Let's get it rolling and we welcome you to this
Speaker 2: episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just
Speaker 2: Baseball podcast network. Recording here on Sunday evening, July nineteenth.
Speaker 2: We are back in Seattle. Thank goodness. That was a
Speaker 2: lot of travel. Doug, how are we feeling?
Speaker 1: We're pretty good. Well, I'm not inspired after another weekend
Speaker 1: of Mariners baseball, but like health wise good, How are
Speaker 1: you feeling?
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm great. I've been back since Wednesday.
Speaker 1: That's not you, No, that's true. I did some extra
Speaker 1: travel because I had a wedding to be at this weekend,
Speaker 1: and then I flew home just a little while ago.
Speaker 1: As we're sitting here recording, I gotta tell you, people
Speaker 1: want to start off this podcast with a bang. Boy,
Speaker 1: Do I have a flight story? Are you ready?
Speaker 2: I think so, so.
Speaker 1: I tell people to buckle out. Well you can be
Speaker 1: the judge.
Speaker 2: But well you don't like to buckle up on planes.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right. Okay, at least get with me on this.
Speaker 1: I know we talked about the whole what is the
Speaker 1: point of a seatbelt on a plane debate a couple
Speaker 1: episodes ago. How about this? Why do they leave the
Speaker 1: seat belt sign on after you've landed and like you're
Speaker 1: taxiing on the tarmac at five miles an hour? That's crazy.
Speaker 2: In case someone crashes into you. I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: it's precautionary. You're moving like five miles an hour. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying it's precautionary.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I am at opa.
Speaker 2: Why do they have the glass up on the windows
Speaker 2: when you're going five miles an hour?
Speaker 1: I mean, well, that's stuck there. You can't remove a window.
Speaker 1: You can remove I'm joking. Anyway, I'm at O'Hare. I'm
Speaker 1: getting ready to fly back to Seattle. And who do
Speaker 1: I see at the gate? Or he was coming out
Speaker 1: of one of the restaurants or something at the gate
Speaker 1: getting ready to fly back to Seattle. Kevin fucking Mather. Dude,
Speaker 1: this guy I'm not kidding. And then he was too
Speaker 1: rows ahead of me on the flight. I was right
Speaker 1: at the start of coach. He's obviously sitting in first class.
Speaker 1: He's right there. Sometimes every now and then I think
Speaker 1: to myself, what was like I do these days? I
Speaker 1: honestly wondered if he was still in Seattle. I guess
Speaker 1: he is.
Speaker 2: This begs the question, why didn't you go up and
Speaker 2: talk to him?
Speaker 1: I know, honestly, as especially kids, especially considering he's not
Speaker 1: a member of the franchise anymore and a member of
Speaker 1: the organization, there's absolutely nothing he could do. There really
Speaker 1: was a part of me that wanted to go up
Speaker 1: to him and just say, hey, man, like this team's
Speaker 1: miserable to watch.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he would say something about the Mariners. I mean,
Speaker 2: the dude was in charge of the Mariners for how long,
Speaker 2: like a decent bit of time, And if he didn't
Speaker 2: want to talk to you, Lyle, he would have said, no,
Speaker 2: nice to meet you.
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, yeah, that's it, Okay, I
Speaker 1: will say maybe it's me overthinking, maybe it's not. But
Speaker 1: there was a point where I had to go use
Speaker 1: the bathroom and I actually passed him walking back to
Speaker 1: my seat midflight, and he did like a double take up.
Speaker 1: He kind of looked once up just to see who
Speaker 1: was walking by, and then he goes he looks again,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, you know the meme of the
Speaker 1: guy that's doing the eye kind of the side eye,
Speaker 1: and it says does he know? It made me wonder
Speaker 1: does he know? Does he know the marine layer pod.
Speaker 2: This again begs the question of why you did not
Speaker 2: go up and talk to him?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I probably should have.
Speaker 1: People can drop in the comments if I made the
Speaker 1: right choice just ignoring him, or if I really should
Speaker 1: have gone up and said something to him. But here's
Speaker 1: the thing, what are we saying to this guy? I
Speaker 1: joke to you half jokingly, it actually would have been
Speaker 1: a hilarious thing to pull off, especially since again he's
Speaker 1: not a part of the organization anymore. You're a hat guy.
Speaker 1: You pack hats. I don't if I had a hat,
Speaker 1: what if I just stuck it out to him and said,
Speaker 1: hat in hand, baby.
Speaker 2: Well, then I don't think you would have talked to you.
Speaker 2: But what would he just like walked up and said, hey, man,
Speaker 2: I recognize you for your time with the Mariners. How
Speaker 2: do you think you're playing how do you think they're
Speaker 2: playing nowadays?
Speaker 1: Like that's it. But we're like treating this guy cordially.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a man who was kicked out
Speaker 1: of the organization for saying things like Julio's English sucks
Speaker 1: and we manipulate service time and we don't want to
Speaker 1: pay for Ewa Kuma's translator.
Speaker 2: Okay, but like, what's the goal the goal? If the
Speaker 2: goal is having a conversation, you need to be conversational,
Speaker 2: are we If you're going to go to him and
Speaker 2: make a joke, then like then you get your joke off,
Speaker 2: but you don't actually get to talk to him.
Speaker 1: But what conversation would you have with this guy? I
Speaker 1: don't know. Man, you were the one there at the gate,
Speaker 1: I know. And if I was gonna say there, there
Speaker 1: are some great bullshitters in the world.
Speaker 2: Lyle where they will, they will, they will talk to.
Speaker 1: Anybody who's who's who's a good bullshitter?
Speaker 2: Anybody. There are lots of them out there.
Speaker 1: Dude. It's not like again, it's not like somebody that
Speaker 1: retired out of the organization and is just now no
Speaker 1: longer working there. But left on positive terms. This guy, like,
Speaker 1: we know why he's not there anymore, which is why
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I could have a real conversation
Speaker 1: with him. If I was gonna go up to him
Speaker 1: at this point, you would have to get some joke off.
Speaker 1: I absolutely if I was going to talk to it
Speaker 1: all would have done something like the hat in hand thing.
Speaker 1: And for context, for those who don't remember, during that
Speaker 1: infamous zoom call with the Rotary Club, he said that
Speaker 1: they believe free agents were going to come hat in
Speaker 1: hand to them begging for contracts.
Speaker 2: Did they come hat in hand?
Speaker 1: No? No, I mean they don't.
Speaker 2: They maybe just Robbie Ray, but that's it.
Speaker 1: I think no. Well, because they paid Robby Ray real money.
Speaker 1: They didn't offer most of those guys real money.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I had not seen his face since that Rotary
Speaker 2: Club call, So when you send it to me, it
Speaker 2: did take me like a couple minutes of like I
Speaker 2: really zoomed in on his face and I'm like, who
Speaker 2: is this? It's Chicago. It's like, is he sending me
Speaker 2: a pick of like Abe Toro getting on a flight
Speaker 2: back to Seattle with him? That's just undercover, Like, no,
Speaker 2: that's not Oh, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: For a second, I thought you were trying to send
Speaker 2: me Chris Larson. But I was like, from everything I know,
Speaker 2: like Chris Larsen usually dresses, Uh, what's a good way
Speaker 2: to describe how Chris Larson dresses. As someone who's never
Speaker 2: physically seen Chris Larsen in person, he doesn't usually dress
Speaker 2: up that much. And no, this guy looks too well dressed.
Speaker 1: You would know Chris Larson dresses like he has no
Speaker 1: money rather than dressing like a billionaire.
Speaker 2: Right. But I was like, no, this guy looks a
Speaker 2: little bit sharper. I was like, oh, yeah, yep, that's
Speaker 2: Kevin Mather.
Speaker 1: Yea, that is Kevin good lord. I could not believe
Speaker 1: that shit. When I saw it on here on Sunday
Speaker 1: flying back, I was like, there's no way that's who
Speaker 1: I think it is. There's no way.
Speaker 2: And it was you could ask him what he was
Speaker 2: doing in Chicago.
Speaker 1: Again, Are we having a real conversation with this dude?
Speaker 2: Like? It just I guess it just depends what you
Speaker 2: want of it. I told you, at the very least
Speaker 2: you need to go get a photo with him.
Speaker 1: That Okay, Now that would have been hilarious. And I
Speaker 1: do a really cheesy, dumb smile. It's like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: can we think of selfie like that'd be awesome. Now,
Speaker 1: imagine the numbers that would do if that was put
Speaker 1: out onto the Internet of me just like just there, dude,
Speaker 1: that would have that would have popped off Mariner's Twitter,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2: Do you ever think of what would have happened if
Speaker 2: Kevin Mather never got on that rotary call? Where the
Speaker 2: Mariners would be today?
Speaker 1: I mean, probably not in a better spot. It really
Speaker 1: is amazing. It really is amazing that guy was the
Speaker 1: president of the team for as long as he was,
Speaker 1: because we don't have to get into the whole history
Speaker 1: and we are going to talk about the Mariners and
Speaker 1: Giants here in a minute. But you know, there's like
Speaker 1: other things he was talked about doing in his time
Speaker 1: that were that were not good, A real problem. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So it's incredible. I don't know what the hell this
Speaker 1: guy's doing now. I mean, he clearly has money. I
Speaker 1: was trying to almost like watch what the hell he
Speaker 1: was doing on his flight, just to do some big
Speaker 1: jay journalism and report back to the people. He was
Speaker 1: like doing the the uh sudoku for a while and
Speaker 1: he had a book and then he uh, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know, he was on his phone for a
Speaker 1: little while, but yeah, he was doing Oh he was
Speaker 1: reading the Chicago Tribune, like straight up, like reading the newspaper.
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, Like he's got the whole
Speaker 1: freaking newspaper like folded out on the flight. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's probably an online article for this.
Speaker 2: This is a big j journalist right there.
Speaker 1: Listen, we report to the people. Man, We're for the people.
Speaker 1: This is this is what you don't get on other outlets.
Speaker 1: A five years later, where in the world is Kevin
Speaker 1: Mather report?
Speaker 2: I mean, I'd almost forgotten about Kevin Mather until that
Speaker 2: picture popped up on my phone today. Like he's just
Speaker 2: not someone that enters my mind very much these days,
Speaker 2: given that he's been essentially absent from the public eye
Speaker 2: ever since that call. Well, the Mariners at one press
Speaker 2: conference where they announced he had they had mutually part
Speaker 2: way parted ways, and then all of a sudden, he's gone.
Speaker 1: Well he returned in a big way today just to
Speaker 1: get on the marine layer pod. Five years later.
Speaker 2: You were you were in the right place at the
Speaker 2: right time, bog Me. It was always destiny. You had
Speaker 2: to go to this wedding so we could get this
Speaker 2: piece of content.
Speaker 1: Dude, I just like couldn't believe my eyes when I
Speaker 1: saw that today. I was just like, you gotta be kidding.
Speaker 1: I was like, what is this guy? Like again, I
Speaker 1: don't know what he's doing in Chicago, but yeah, like
Speaker 1: I was, I mean, like you, it's he's not on
Speaker 1: my mind every day. But when I saw him, I
Speaker 1: was like, good lord.
Speaker 2: I was like, of course, last thing before we actually
Speaker 2: talk about baseball, so you did have to make a
Speaker 2: best man speech at this wedding. Mm hmm. I'm curious
Speaker 2: how many times were the Mariners mentioned and how many
Speaker 2: times were Dan Wilson mentioned.
Speaker 1: You know, it took a lot of strength and a
Speaker 1: lot of will and a lot of effort, but slightly, like,
Speaker 1: just ever so slightly. I made sure to not make
Speaker 1: it about me in that moment and start just rattling
Speaker 1: off Dan Wilson this and that to a whole wedding
Speaker 1: crowd of one hundred plus people about like, it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, what can't stand watching manage games? Dan Wilson.
Speaker 1: It's like I didn't quite do that. I had some
Speaker 1: rough draft jokes in there about three months ago about them,
Speaker 1: and they kind of got shut down. So I was like, well,
Speaker 1: for the sake of the people, for the sake of
Speaker 1: a wedding that's not mine, I'm just gonna sit there
Speaker 1: and not make it about me. Now, if I was
Speaker 1: gonna one day be giving a speech at my own
Speaker 1: hypothetical wedding, would I sit there and say to everybody
Speaker 1: that showed up, I'm so appreciative of you. I'm so appreciative.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't even talk. It's like long
Speaker 1: day travel minute. I like, am so appreciative of all
Speaker 1: of you guys coming here today and showing up. I
Speaker 1: know you guys wouldn't miss any of it, just like
Speaker 1: George Springer's oh one pitch from Edward Bizaro that he
Speaker 1: crushed into oblivion because Dan Wilson decided it was time
Speaker 1: for Edward Bizarro to pitch. If I'm giving my own
Speaker 1: speech at my own wedding one day, thanking all the
Speaker 1: people coming, I mean, then I'm ripping off any jokes
Speaker 1: I want about that.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, what's that I said? It would be your wedding.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, since the wedding was not mine, I tried to
Speaker 1: not make it about me, So I didn't. Now that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean he wasn't. That doesn't mean he wasn't brought
Speaker 1: up in other points of the weekend when I wasn't
Speaker 1: on the mic talking, but just not during the speech.
Speaker 1: Oh he was brought up throughout the rest of the
Speaker 1: weekend too with people.
Speaker 2: Oh well, that that I know. I mean, it's really
Speaker 2: hard to avoid. Were the Mariners mentioned in the speech?
Speaker 1: So in the in the stuff I wrote out, because
Speaker 1: I had a bunch of different ideas planned when I
Speaker 1: started to write out what I thought I wanted to say,
Speaker 1: but then I tried to cut it down. It's funny
Speaker 1: for his much time as I've spent with my friend John,
Speaker 1: who you also know watching the Mariners over the course
Speaker 1: of our lives, they didn't get brought up in the speech.
Speaker 1: I mean they could have, and I like in the
Speaker 1: stuff I wrote out, I had lines prepared about it,
Speaker 1: but they did want the speeches to be relatively short,
Speaker 1: and there was other things I wanted to hit on.
Speaker 1: So there wasn't a ton of Mariner stuff mentioned. It
Speaker 1: was written out, just not mentioned.
Speaker 2: But you know what, I thought you'd get it in
Speaker 2: there at like at least.
Speaker 1: Once I thought about it. I don't know, it flowed
Speaker 1: a little better without it. Maybe it was just better
Speaker 1: they were out of sight, out of mind for such
Speaker 1: a happy occasion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you did say you were going to take a
Speaker 2: weekend off from the Mariners, So I guess that would
Speaker 2: also include not verbally mentioning them at all in a
Speaker 2: public setting.
Speaker 1: Again, out of sight, out of mind. They weren't out
Speaker 1: of mind, but out of sight.
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Speaker 2: Here's how I would summarize this weekend series against the
Speaker 2: San Francisco Giants slow for you being out of town.
Speaker 2: The Mariners didn't really play that much better than they
Speaker 2: had played on the road in Florida or at any
Speaker 2: o their low points of the season. I think the
Speaker 2: only difference this weekend for the Mariners was they hit
Speaker 2: like three timely home runs and that alone won them
Speaker 2: this series.
Speaker 1: I mean, none bigger than Cole Young's on Saturday, right,
Speaker 1: because they had played sixteen truly miserable innings of baseball
Speaker 1: against the Giants before that Cole Young homer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, it was awful. The vibes are bad. The
Speaker 2: vibes were so bad. I was literally sitting on this
Speaker 2: on this clip. I was unsure if I was going
Speaker 2: to use it or not, So if you follow me
Speaker 2: on Twitter, I tweeted out the clip of Dan Wilson
Speaker 2: talking about the team's identity in the second half, which
Speaker 2: I can get to here in a second. Like the
Speaker 2: answer Dan gave was just it was awful. He didn't
Speaker 2: he literally didn't answer the question, didn't give what the
Speaker 2: identity of the team was. And like as I'm as,
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there watching this team, like I'm like, all right,
Speaker 2: I guess I just have to have to publish this
Speaker 2: clip because I didn't publish it on Friday when he
Speaker 2: said it, and on Saturday, I'm like, all right, it's
Speaker 2: not really that relevant right now. But as they're getting
Speaker 2: shut out into the seventh inning of Saturday, about to
Speaker 2: lose a series to an atrocious Giants team that is
Speaker 2: that they're just awful. The Giants, They're terrible, They're so dysfunctional.
Speaker 2: As bad as you think the Mariners are, the Giants
Speaker 2: are worse, and the Mariners are about to lose a
Speaker 2: series to them. So I'm like, all right, I gotta
Speaker 2: rip it. So I we out this Dan clip and
Speaker 2: I swear to God. Not three minutes later, Cole Young
Speaker 2: hits that three run home run.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe you dink or maybe you reverse jinks it.
Speaker 2: I think I did, I really think I did? I
Speaker 2: have to play this Dan answer man, I literally I
Speaker 2: can't even fathom how Like it just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: So some of these, some of these questions that Dan
Speaker 2: gets asked, I feel like there should just be like
Speaker 2: super easy answers that you don't have to be very
Speaker 2: specific with, that you don't need to you don't need
Speaker 2: to call anyone out for doing And the answer still
Speaker 2: is just it just baffling to me. Just like, listen
Speaker 2: to this. So he's he's being asked right here what
Speaker 2: the he wants the identity of the team to be
Speaker 2: in the second half.
Speaker 4: The identity is is uh, you know, it's.
Speaker 1: A big part of what we talked about in such
Speaker 1: means we do.
Speaker 4: I think that I have seen a lot of the
Speaker 4: things that we talked about as a team being pretty
Speaker 4: and they're coming ready to play, and you're coming ready to play.
Speaker 3: That's what That's what our guys will do and get
Speaker 3: that will continue to do, and that's why it's exciting
Speaker 3: as we get ready to park out the second half or.
Speaker 1: Some dude, what is he even talking about?
Speaker 2: So he listed his identity for the team in the
Speaker 2: second half is showing up Brady to play and being gritty,
Speaker 2: which doesn't there's nothing measurable for that. How about what's
Speaker 2: here's an answer? More consist hitting more consistently and playing
Speaker 2: cleaner defense.
Speaker 1: God forbid, there's actual details given. We need to hit
Speaker 1: better against left handed pitching. By the way, Jerry Depoto
Speaker 1: said that exact thing in a Seattle Times article just
Speaker 1: a few days ago, they need to be better against
Speaker 1: left handed pitching, Like, why can't you say the same thing.
Speaker 2: Justin Holland Are twenty minutes before that said, injuries are
Speaker 2: not an excuse for a lineup not performing. We just
Speaker 2: need to hit better.
Speaker 1: Like there's just we've said it a million times and
Speaker 1: we continue to beat a dead horse because it's nothing.
Speaker 1: Because this never changes with his answers. But why is
Speaker 1: it so hard to give some transparent answers without throwing
Speaker 1: your team or players under the bus. Almost every other
Speaker 1: manager across the league does exactly that.
Speaker 2: That's a great question. But that clip might have won
Speaker 2: the Maritors the series, asle so.
Speaker 1: Cole Young had himself a really nice offensive weekend. At
Speaker 1: least that's a positive he really did.
Speaker 2: The lineup on Sunday was like one I was not expecting.
Speaker 2: They hit Cole Young third. I'm sorry Saturday Sunday today
Speaker 2: when we're recording this, and he still hits a clutch
Speaker 2: home run even though it was facing Robbie Ray, a
Speaker 2: lefty and co Young gets lefties. His year has not
Speaker 2: been great, but it worked kind of.
Speaker 1: I mean he well, no, we homered off Web on
Speaker 1: Saturday but yeah.
Speaker 2: He homered off Web and they homed off a reliever today, right, right, right.
Speaker 2: I just thought that the construction of it was funky,
Speaker 2: but again it did end up working out.
Speaker 1: So yeah, because he was hitting the head of Randy
Speaker 1: right he was. Yeah, yeah, that's a little odd.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 2: It is a little bit odd. But the thing, even
Speaker 2: with Cole's two home runs, it's not like he played
Speaker 2: the cleanest weekend of all time.
Speaker 1: On Saturday.
Speaker 2: Again, I know you weren't watching the game because because
Speaker 2: you were busy. Cole made two errors that just made
Speaker 2: me scratch my head, which again got people like into
Speaker 2: their like sort of like rage mode. After this team
Speaker 2: hadn't scored in the first sixteen innings of the second half,
Speaker 2: and on top of that, they were having some sloppy defense.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, Rayley, bobble the ball in center field that'll
Speaker 2: directly allow to run to score.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: It was atrocious. It was so so bad without that
Speaker 2: Cole Young home run. I mean, the people would have
Speaker 2: taken their pitchforks out already two games into the second half.
Speaker 2: It was like it was that bad. Cole Young was
Speaker 2: like going to his left I think it was in
Speaker 2: the third inning from his position at second base fields
Speaker 2: off to his side, gets the like then he doesn't
Speaker 2: really set his feet and he tries to like open
Speaker 2: torso throw to first and he throws it like ten
Speaker 2: feet wide of Josh Naylor. And that also that was
Speaker 2: right before Rayley bobbled the ball in center field.
Speaker 1: So do this for me, because again, I didn't get
Speaker 1: to watch a ton this weekend having other obligations and
Speaker 1: other plans being out of town. But I certainly know
Speaker 1: just being online with it on Friday night after the game,
Speaker 1: you said the vibes were bad. People were furious after
Speaker 1: Friday night's loss. What would you describe the vibe ads,
Speaker 1: whether it's just people online, people around the ballpark? Like,
Speaker 1: what were people feeling on Friday when they lost?
Speaker 2: Terrible? They just got run out of their own building
Speaker 2: in the first game of the second half by a
Speaker 2: terrible team and an advantageous pitching matchup of Bryce Miller
Speaker 2: versus was that Landen Rup? Yeah, and I think they
Speaker 2: got ran out of the building.
Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't it said up?
Speaker 2: Okay? Uh? But anyways, it's just so easy to make
Speaker 2: the joke of oh, it looks like some of the
Speaker 2: Mariners are still on the beach, and again, it doesn't
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to throw Cole Young under the bus
Speaker 2: here because it's not his fault and he was the
Speaker 2: best player for the Mariners series this weekend. But I mean,
Speaker 2: he was on the radio with shaneon pregame for Saturday's
Speaker 2: game and he he you know what, you know what
Speaker 2: Cole Young did and his time off Stayton Tampa went
Speaker 2: on the beach like it just it's hard to get
Speaker 2: around that joke.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think you can knock guys for taking
Speaker 1: a vacation during All Star Wars.
Speaker 2: I'm not, but like, it's really easy to make that
Speaker 2: joke when the team plays their first game on Friday
Speaker 2: and gets boat raced by a terrible team. That when
Speaker 2: when the team already has focus issues throughout the season.
Speaker 1: Well that's a different story. Sure, yeah, yeah, could the
Speaker 1: joke be very easily made. Sure, let's here, let's phrase
Speaker 1: it like this. We know other people will make the joke,
Speaker 1: so let's just be the first to get out in
Speaker 1: front of it and say, after Friday's loss, the Mariners
Speaker 1: have not traveled back from the beach. No, they had
Speaker 1: not since Again, since other people will make the joke.
Speaker 1: We'll just get out ahead of it and say it first.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the vibes on Friday were pretty atrocious, like
Speaker 2: you just and even to Dan Wilson's identity, the one
Speaker 2: thing he said with the identity, I want guys showing
Speaker 2: up ready to play. And then they just got hammered
Speaker 2: on Friday, So.
Speaker 1: I think great. So I think the moral of this
Speaker 1: series win from the weekend is the Mariners uninspiringly won
Speaker 1: a series against a really bad team, and can they
Speaker 1: possibly follow it up with a second series win against
Speaker 1: another last place team and the Reds this week TVD.
Speaker 1: They have not turned a corner yet, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: No. Again, in summary, they didn't play that much better.
Speaker 2: They just hit some timely home runs, which maybe that
Speaker 2: could be the difference between this team winning the division
Speaker 2: or not, because this division still just stinks. But if
Speaker 2: the Mariners hit timely home runs they could kind of
Speaker 2: suck and still win it.
Speaker 1: That could just be it.
Speaker 2: I think that that's not gonna win them postseason series,
Speaker 2: and that's really what we want.
Speaker 1: I think the difference in winning the division or not
Speaker 1: is are Cal and Julio gonna get hot at some point?
Speaker 1: Or are they gonna stay like this all year? That's
Speaker 1: the difference.
Speaker 2: I would totally agree with that. They're gonna need to
Speaker 2: play better against the Reds, and they're also gonna need
Speaker 2: to just win the series against the Reds because this
Speaker 2: has been such an issue this year. We're stringing together
Speaker 2: series wins and looking good in multiple series is just
Speaker 2: so difficult. The stretcher, they won eight games in row
Speaker 2: levels forty one games ago.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: That's a long time. That's almost half of what they
Speaker 2: have played so far. That's how long ago that was.
Speaker 2: You can't it's really hard to say like, yeah, we've
Speaker 2: done that before, we could do it again. It's like,
Speaker 2: well that was kind of a long time ago and
Speaker 2: you've only done it once. So we're just gonna need
Speaker 2: to see the Mariners take advantage of a bad Reds
Speaker 2: team and play better like and in this Red series,
Speaker 2: hit some timely home runs and play clean defense and
Speaker 2: consistently hit with runners in scoring position, and preferably don't
Speaker 2: get shut out one of these games. Well that's what
Speaker 2: I would like to see.
Speaker 1: Well, I've got great news for you here. On Monday,
Speaker 1: they get to face Andrew Rabbit, a LEFTI to start,
Speaker 1: and then they get Chase Burns on Tuesday.
Speaker 2: Oh one run loss.
Speaker 1: Chase Burns. For anybody that hasn't followed the Reds all
Speaker 1: that closely this year has been absolutely dominant. He was
Speaker 1: just an all star. I mean, they get Brady's singer
Speaker 1: on Wednesday. That's a little bit of a lighter pitching matchup.
Speaker 1: It's him versus Emerson, but Abbott and Burns the first
Speaker 1: two days, well, it'll be an adventure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's definitely one way to put it. Yeah, But
Speaker 2: in summary, they do need to play better against the Reds,
Speaker 2: and we're home being they really do. There's a couple
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Speaker 2: marine Layer. Let's get the positive news first. Lele felnine
Speaker 2: is heading to double A as expected. As soon as
Speaker 2: he started hitting this season, you get the thought in
Speaker 2: your mind that all right, this is tracking well for
Speaker 2: him to get to Arkansas during the summer, and it
Speaker 2: seems like according to his Instagram, the Mariners pulled a
Speaker 2: trigger on that today.
Speaker 1: He's played about ninety games now, and Everett, you can
Speaker 1: take the eleven from the end of last year and
Speaker 1: then pair it with the games he's played this year,
Speaker 1: and what he's done in half a season down or
Speaker 1: in hi A this year is put up a one
Speaker 1: forty WRC plus. He's on pace for a twenty five
Speaker 1: home run season. He's swiped eighteen bases already, he has
Speaker 1: hit well from both sides of the player right, and
Speaker 1: he has really really gotten that strikeout rate under control
Speaker 1: since at about twenty percent now, where he's also drawn
Speaker 1: his walks. So what this looks like is the Felonine
Speaker 1: Sealestam that you you know, I'm not saying he is
Speaker 1: a bona fide big league star at age twenty when
Speaker 1: he simply get into Arkansas because he's he's not, you
Speaker 1: have so much more to prove. But the half a
Speaker 1: season we've seen out of felnin now, with him healthy
Speaker 1: and with him truly hitting and showing the combo of
Speaker 1: speed and power, I mean, this is the prospect you
Speaker 1: dreamed on when you signed him as this mega international
Speaker 1: free agent star. When you got him. Oh and your
Speaker 1: MIC's off. Nice job.
Speaker 2: I was just drinking water.
Speaker 1: Oops, there you go, now what you want to say.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't expect Felnin's numbers to be quite as high
Speaker 2: in Arkansas. Just look at like what laz and Arroyo
Speaker 2: did and then sort of grade that on a curve
Speaker 2: of what to expect for Feldine, I'd say it's to win.
Speaker 2: If Felning's like a seven an eighty to eight hundred
Speaker 2: ops guy in Arkansas, given that ballpark, He's not going
Speaker 2: to play in Triple A until probably a year from
Speaker 2: now at a best case scenario. So now is again
Speaker 2: some time to exert patients as Felonin's can adjust to
Speaker 2: the biggest jump in minor league baseball, going from a
Speaker 2: ball all the way up to double A. The other
Speaker 2: thing that I was thinking about with this is that
Speaker 2: if they're promoting Felnin, I don't think Johnny Farmel is
Speaker 2: that far behind. Johnny Farmelo. Since May first has a
Speaker 2: nine to nine ops so one thirty five WORC plus
Speaker 2: he's walking fifteen percent of the time. He's been really,
Speaker 2: really good. I mean he's been now the second best
Speaker 2: hitter on that ever team, I guess among the prospects
Speaker 2: besides Felnin in that stretch, he also has ten home
Speaker 2: runs in twelve doubles, so that's pretty good.
Speaker 1: He's been awesome. Good for him too, because he got
Speaker 1: off to a bit of a slow start to begin
Speaker 1: the year. Now he is really and he is really
Speaker 1: hitting his stride, and he's fully healthy this year. He's
Speaker 1: not battling the injuries again. It's pretty cool to say.
Speaker 1: I would bet you it is. Pretty soon we see
Speaker 1: Johnny get the call and the promotion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too, So happy for those guys.
Speaker 2: And then the last thing to note here on this podcast, Lile,
Speaker 2: is that the Mariners announced their rotation plans for I
Speaker 2: guess the next week, the first turn through the rotation,
Speaker 2: we are going to get one more or one more
Speaker 2: at least one more full turn through the rotation. As
Speaker 2: a six man rotation. Everyone's going to get a turn
Speaker 2: coming here out of the break. I'm guessing they're just
Speaker 2: gonna do it again once they run through this rotation
Speaker 2: one more time, because that will put them right at
Speaker 2: about the trade deadline.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, but I better not see one more piggyback
Speaker 1: or six man rotation and pass the date of August third,
Speaker 1: when that trade deadline's over. This better be done. Whether
Speaker 1: somebody's traded or you make a definitive decision, that's the
Speaker 1: deadline at this point, no more, not one more day passed.
Speaker 1: This has got to be it because if the only
Speaker 1: reason you're doing this, whether you'll say it publicly or not,
Speaker 1: is to keep everybody stretched out to maximize the trade
Speaker 1: value of all your starters, including Luis Castillo. Fine, and
Speaker 1: I get why you can't say that publicly, but that's
Speaker 1: why I say this better be done after the trade deadline.
Speaker 2: Yes, why did they Why did they come out with
Speaker 2: the group piggyback? The more I think back on this,
Speaker 2: the more it just it just seems kind of silly.
Speaker 1: It's all been silly. This whole plan, this whole year
Speaker 1: has been silly.
Speaker 2: Well it got I mean, I mean Adam Jude reported
Speaker 2: the story that was I mean, he's given information by
Speaker 2: the team on what their plans were, which was great
Speaker 2: and good for Adam forgetting that scoop they made. They
Speaker 2: made a decently big deal out of like here's our plan,
Speaker 2: Like Trent Blanks stayed up all night putting this together,
Speaker 2: and it is had all of these options, we got
Speaker 2: everyone to agree to it. It's it's great, but they
Speaker 2: didn't even do it.
Speaker 1: No, oh, I did it once and then they pulled
Speaker 1: a plug.
Speaker 2: They did it once with Bryce and Louise. Yeah, would
Speaker 2: already piggyback to begin with, and then as soon as
Speaker 2: it got to everyone else they decided not to do it. Whatever,
Speaker 2: man again two more times through? What is that? That's
Speaker 2: twelve games? Twelve games puts the Mariners right at Well,
Speaker 2: they've done it three times now, so they have about
Speaker 2: nine turns left in the rotation, and they have fourteen
Speaker 2: days until the deadline, so they'll have to like dip
Speaker 2: into it for a third time. But they're gonna trade
Speaker 2: one of these guys. I mean, it could happen by
Speaker 2: the end of that second turn. So yeah, hopefully two
Speaker 2: more turns and and someone's getting sent to the bullpen.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: By the way, these games they've got up until the
Speaker 1: trade deadline are pretty important because it's gonna dictate how
Speaker 1: they approach this deadline one way or another. They've all
Speaker 1: flat on their If they all flat on their face
Speaker 1: and rip off six of eight losses, then.
Speaker 2: What I think you have to buy? No matter what,
Speaker 2: I really don't think you can let the results of
Speaker 2: the next two weeks impact how you approach the trade deadline.
Speaker 2: The league is too bad, Yeah, you just need to
Speaker 2: make it. You just need to get in.
Speaker 1: You also have a very important four game series right
Speaker 1: after the Reds with the Rangers. Like that four games
Speaker 1: is gonna determine a lot, God forbid, they go get
Speaker 1: boat raced in Texas and all of a sudden, you're
Speaker 1: down four games in the division with a week before
Speaker 1: the trade deadline.
Speaker 2: I don't even think you can let that discourage you.
Speaker 2: I think that would be about to.
Speaker 1: Make What about the three games after the Dodgers immediately
Speaker 1: after the.
Speaker 2: Rangers Again, I just don't think it's worth selling, Like
Speaker 2: what is selling get you for the marior nurse?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I never really agree on selling,
Speaker 1: because this team is not in a market and a
Speaker 1: position where they should ever be essentially forfeiting a season,
Speaker 1: especially in a bad American league. I'm just saying they
Speaker 1: might not as aggressively buy as they might if they
Speaker 1: were to rip off a bunch of wins. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying they'll full on sell, but they might not be
Speaker 1: as aggressive.
Speaker 2: And standing pat wouldn't be good either. I think there's
Speaker 2: only one option once they reach the deadline. It's to
Speaker 2: buy as hard as possible. I hope, so I have
Speaker 2: plenty of prospects. This is your window. Everyone gets more
Speaker 2: expensive season after season. You could be six games out
Speaker 2: of a playoff spot by the deadline and I still
Speaker 2: wouldn't care. Like you can make that up in two months.
Speaker 2: That shouldn't be a problem. You still want to get
Speaker 2: make your team better. But I do agree with you
Speaker 2: Lyle that. I mean, it's at least gonna set the
Speaker 2: tone like your team needs to Your team does need
Speaker 2: to at some point prove they are worthy for We've
Speaker 2: heard that in the past, and I would agree with that,
Speaker 2: like the team needs to prove, hey, we're worth investing in,
Speaker 2: even though if I think on the outside that they
Speaker 2: should do it no matter what, and the eyes of
Speaker 2: executives and guys whose jobs are tied to success and
Speaker 2: health of team, they might look at the players and say,
Speaker 2: you need to prove you're worth it. That's a reason
Speaker 2: that they made the Paul Seawalled trade in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: where they were kind of in between. You remember they
Speaker 2: let they waited until that last series before the deadline,
Speaker 2: that Diamondback series where Canzone ironically walked them off.
Speaker 1: He didn't walk them off, but he had a late
Speaker 1: game deciding hit.
Speaker 2: Oh right, right, So he had a big hit in
Speaker 2: that series, and they ended up trading Paul Seawall to
Speaker 2: the Diamondbacks and getting Canzone back. And the Mariners used
Speaker 2: that series to justify if they were gonna trade Taoscar
Speaker 2: Hernandez or not or Aoeniosuauz.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so crazy.
Speaker 2: I don't think you can let that creep into your mind,
Speaker 2: but I do think the team needs to, you know,
Speaker 2: show something in these games. They're also just big, not
Speaker 2: even because of the trade deadline, because at some point
Speaker 2: you have to show that like the team you were
Speaker 2: for the first hundred games isn't actually what you are
Speaker 2: and you're something better than that. And if the Mariners
Speaker 2: split or lose three or four in Texas and get
Speaker 2: swept by the Dodgers, then that's just telling us you're
Speaker 2: not a very good team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all the more reason. You better go take advantage
Speaker 1: of the Reds this week, buy yourself some cushion before
Speaker 1: you have to go to Texas up and then to
Speaker 1: La Yeah.
Speaker 2: So then and then your last series before the deadline
Speaker 2: is at home against the Minnesota Twins, who won't be
Speaker 2: trading you Byron box In. No.
Speaker 1: But again, those games against Texas in LA are going
Speaker 1: to mean a lot. So you want to set yourself up,
Speaker 1: you better go take care of the Reds. You didn't
Speaker 1: take I mean, you took care of the Giants enough,
Speaker 1: you didn't all that inspiring doing it. You better go
Speaker 1: win back to back series against them in the Reds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm one hundred percent there with you. We will
Speaker 2: have Joe Doyle for Wednesday's episode to talk Mariner's draft.
Speaker 2: We haven't done a full comprehensive draft breakdown, so Joel
Speaker 2: will be joining us for Wednesday's episode. That should be
Speaker 2: a fun one, so don't want to miss that, and
Speaker 2: then we will be full go until the trade deadline.
Speaker 1: Will have plenty to talk about, so much hopefully positive stuff,
Speaker 1: and that would involve them continuing to win some games.
Speaker 1: Let's hope they find a way to do that. Let's really,
Speaker 1: let's really hope. But yeah, excited to talk to Joe
Speaker 1: on Wednesday, so get yourself all geared up for that.
Speaker 1: With that, that'll just about wrap up this edition of
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