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Speaker 1: As we are forty six days away from kickoff for
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one NFL season and the Cowboys certainly
Speaker 1: underway here at training camp twenty twenty one. Kyle Yeoman's
Speaker 1: Mickey's Bagnola. We've got Rob Phillips and Rob how about this,
Speaker 1: We've got Spagnola on time today. I found him. I
Speaker 1: found him in the cafeteria this morning. I said, we
Speaker 1: do have a show, so let's go. And I followed
Speaker 1: him to his room and made sure that he followed
Speaker 1: me to the trailer and then we got out here.
Speaker 1: I needed no help, did you? I needed no help.
Speaker 1: You just needed a nudge. I was up. I gave
Speaker 1: you a n reminder, No I knew. Did you get
Speaker 1: your bike ride? Sunrise bike ride in Today was a
Speaker 1: day of rest for these old lakes. Okay, that's that's good.
Speaker 1: They need that every one. So it's regeneration day, right,
Speaker 1: Regen and McCarthy Regen today absolutely, Oh, McCarthy and Mickey
Speaker 1: in cahoots with the regeneration schedule, but there is no
Speaker 1: regeneration this weekend for the Cowboys. We're kind of sandwiched
Speaker 1: in between a couple of practices. It's the first days
Speaker 1: of back to back practices out here in Oxnard. Practice
Speaker 1: number two yesterday. Any general thoughts to get us kicked
Speaker 1: off of what you saw yesterday, Rob Well, I thought
Speaker 1: the second practice was I don't want it's too early
Speaker 1: to say win for defense, win for offense, but I
Speaker 1: thought Dak Prescott was terrific, especially in the two minute work.
Speaker 1: I think he had one in completion and probably a
Speaker 1: touchdown pass. They didn't give the last throw to Noah
Speaker 1: Brown because he was clearly out of bounds, had a
Speaker 1: great catch to go get it, but he might have
Speaker 1: scored the play before. But I just thought Dak showed
Speaker 1: really good command in that in that scenario, and you
Speaker 1: know connection with his wide receivers. You know, he hasn't
Speaker 1: been in team drills since really before the injury last October,
Speaker 1: so this is kind of new for him to get
Speaker 1: back into you know, full practice, and I thought it
Speaker 1: was a good day for him, And there were certain
Speaker 1: defensive players that definitely stood out as well. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: wasn't eleven on nine or whatever they did in OTA's
Speaker 1: yea mini camp, or the defensive line wasn't there, and
Speaker 1: so he had a little clutter around him. And you know,
Speaker 1: it takes a while once when you haven't played quarterback
Speaker 1: to get back on the field and see things. You
Speaker 1: got to get used to all the congestion out there.
Speaker 1: And you know, you can do all the drills you want,
Speaker 1: but you got to be out there and see things.
Speaker 1: And that's why you know, he knows. You know, it
Speaker 1: may not be the first preseason game. He needs to
Speaker 1: play in preseason, there's no doubt about it. I remember
Speaker 1: when Tony Romo had missed the one of the seasons
Speaker 1: that he missed, and his point was, I need to
Speaker 1: play in preseason because I need to remind myself of
Speaker 1: the congestion. I need to remind myself that I got
Speaker 1: to look to see where the play clock is and
Speaker 1: be mindful of the play clock and just get used
Speaker 1: to being on the field with everybody and all the noise.
Speaker 1: And he thought preseason was important for him. Now unfortunately
Speaker 1: he did a little too much the one preseason and
Speaker 1: got hurt, but yeah, it's necessary, So yeah, I thought
Speaker 1: it was a better day for him, and then just
Speaker 1: all around, probably a better day for the wide receivers.
Speaker 1: Um Cedee Lamb with another one handed catch, Wilson pulled
Speaker 1: one in um Um the rookie Fijokou Huh nice nice
Speaker 1: deep ball catch. So yeah. But then the defense made
Speaker 1: some plays too. I finally saw Calvin Joseph get a
Speaker 1: hand on on a football or two, so that was
Speaker 1: somewhat new because we haven't seen him practice and it's
Speaker 1: gonna take him some time too, So yeah, I thought,
Speaker 1: all in all, it was a it was a pretty
Speaker 1: good day. And by the way, the uh the coaching
Speaker 1: staff uh or the training staff probably would uh pick
Speaker 1: a bone with you about the first back to back
Speaker 1: practice because they consider the conditioning day like a practice
Speaker 1: for all the running they did. So they did running practice,
Speaker 1: region practice practice now today before tomorrow's official day off
Speaker 1: because they don't have to like go to meetings or
Speaker 1: anything out the condition and run. Yeah. One more thing
Speaker 1: about DAK because Kellen Moore said something interesting during his
Speaker 1: podium talk about how as a quarterback you want to
Speaker 1: get hit coming off an injury. It's it feels good,
Speaker 1: it feels like you're you're kind of knocked back into
Speaker 1: the game. I don't want to see too much of
Speaker 1: that from Dak Prescott. And that's my question to Mickey
Speaker 1: is like, how how much do you want to see
Speaker 1: him in preseason? Because yeah, I agree with you, he
Speaker 1: probably it's it feels a game, get back out there.
Speaker 1: But I don't want him tested too. I can probably
Speaker 1: manage that by the plays I call as an offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: I can get a couple of quick throws, a couple
Speaker 1: of quick throws over the middle. I don't want him
Speaker 1: see him doing scramble drill in preseason games one. That's
Speaker 1: where Tony got in trouble. I don't want to see
Speaker 1: him running with the ball. You know, you just throw
Speaker 1: it away or throw it in the ground and discuss,
Speaker 1: uh that play has gone away. In training camp, Troy
Speaker 1: Aikman was great at it. When he would get pissed
Speaker 1: off at guy's not doing what they were supposed to do,
Speaker 1: or they didn't run a right route, or the blocking
Speaker 1: wasn't right, he'd throw the ball on the ground and
Speaker 1: then you'd hear him cussing, like come on, you know,
Speaker 1: but he would when you saw him throw the ball
Speaker 1: in the ground, you knew he wasn't happy. Sounds like you, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not happy with us. That's right, I'll throw the
Speaker 1: mic in the ground whenever we come on, let's go
Speaker 1: take our break, And Mickey's just throwing his head set
Speaker 1: across the table and beamers over in the corner, like
Speaker 1: covering his ears for safety. But continuing on with a
Speaker 1: little bit of this Dak Prescott talk and the importance
Speaker 1: of getting those reps in the preseason, because sure, I
Speaker 1: don't know if there's been a guy in the past
Speaker 1: that's been so open about flipping a switch between practice
Speaker 1: in the game, about forcing things and trying some things
Speaker 1: out in practice and kind of pushing the limits to
Speaker 1: know whenever game time comes around, then that that's what
Speaker 1: you can and cannot do and it allows you to
Speaker 1: be successful. However, he hasn't played football and almost a
Speaker 1: full year, so maybe he needs to go and look
Speaker 1: at the timing and look at the decision making that
Speaker 1: you have to have against an actual NFL defense in
Speaker 1: real game time action like a preseason instead of maybe
Speaker 1: sitting out and just having one drive here in one
Speaker 1: drive there, and then I don't know, maybe he does
Speaker 1: need more snaps along the way. I would take it
Speaker 1: one step further and say there are half a dozen
Speaker 1: players on the starting offense that didn't play either in
Speaker 1: a year or Zack Martin missed six games and Zeke
Speaker 1: was playing hurt a lot of last season, especially down
Speaker 1: the stretch. And we're talking about Tyrn Smith, Lyle Collins,
Speaker 1: Blake Jarwin. So I mean they as a group, I
Speaker 1: think it would be beneficial to get out there have
Speaker 1: a nice efficient driver too in preseason. I think that's
Speaker 1: that's good Hall of Fame game. I mean, typically that's
Speaker 1: a that's reserved for the young guys, especially back in
Speaker 1: the day when it was five preseason games. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think at some point it'll be good for the
Speaker 1: entire group to just get out there against an opponent
Speaker 1: for a little bit. No, I think you're right, and
Speaker 1: probably not the Hall of Fame game, Yeah, probably not.
Speaker 1: Probably that's gonna get punted right, But after that, No,
Speaker 1: they need to be out there. I mean there's you
Speaker 1: can't You're right, you can't just turn it on especially
Speaker 1: at the quarterback position, right, you got to play quarterback. Um.
Speaker 1: I remember, and I think I've told you this story
Speaker 1: on one summer US probably after they like around ninety
Speaker 1: four and Emmett Smith had won a couple rushing titles
Speaker 1: and they basically weren't going to play him in preseason.
Speaker 1: And so I go up to him. I said, well,
Speaker 1: don't you have to like get out there and get
Speaker 1: used to getting hit again? And he looked at me,
Speaker 1: he goes, are you crazy. I know what it feels
Speaker 1: like to get hit. I don't need to be reminded, right,
Speaker 1: And I said, okay, I retract the question, your honor.
Speaker 1: Uh and uh. It was pretty funny. And he had
Speaker 1: a point. I think from a running back standpoint, whatever
Speaker 1: you're doing in practice, you're you're getting hit a little
Speaker 1: bit because back then they actually hitting practice, yeah, and
Speaker 1: took people to the ground at times a little bit
Speaker 1: different than the quarterback position now, where they're protected in practice,
Speaker 1: you don't actually have that physicality back and forth, and
Speaker 1: maybe it does take a little bit of an adjustment
Speaker 1: period to finally get back and get used to that.
Speaker 1: Now switching over to the defensive side of the football,
Speaker 1: of course, practice one was a positive uptick for the defense,
Speaker 1: and I think the offense kind of got back after
Speaker 1: him yesterday. Even Zeke talked about it in his press
Speaker 1: conference after the first day on the gridiron. He said, Hey,
Speaker 1: it was nice seeing the defense get after us a
Speaker 1: little bit. It was nice to have a little pushback,
Speaker 1: and then turning around yesterday, I think the offense may
Speaker 1: have had the upper hand rop Yeah, I do. I think.
Speaker 1: You know, we touched on the connection between Dak and
Speaker 1: his receivers. I thought there were some nice throws the
Speaker 1: last couple days by Garrett Gilbert, by Benda Nucci. We
Speaker 1: didn't see Cooper rush yesterday. Apparently he's got a tight back,
Speaker 1: so we'll see how that goes day to day here
Speaker 1: going forward. They do practice again today, But yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought it was just more a fish in the drills
Speaker 1: from the offense. But they're defensively. There were guys Mick
Speaker 1: that continued to stand out. I mean, Trayvon Dix continues
Speaker 1: to make plays on the ball. Um, Micah Parsons continues
Speaker 1: to be everywhere, uh, working different drills. Um. You'll see
Speaker 1: him rushing off the edge, You'll see him covering fifty
Speaker 1: yards down field in a seven on seven drill to
Speaker 1: go break up a pass um and Randy Gregory is
Speaker 1: looking and I again say it, let's say it, Rod,
Speaker 1: Let's just let's just put it out there, say well,
Speaker 1: we have everything has to be a disclaimer. They're not
Speaker 1: in pad. We've been here. We've been here two days.
Speaker 1: But yeah, dinner last night, we're talking about, like, you know,
Speaker 1: what's what where's the cap room to resign him to
Speaker 1: a big deal after the season, because he's gonna have
Speaker 1: a big ear after get it done. Yeah yeah, or
Speaker 1: now with that too, Brad Sham was giving him a
Speaker 1: gold jacket yesterday while we were watching practice. That's who
Speaker 1: I had dinner with last night, and that's what we
Speaker 1: were talking about. Maybe that rubbed up a little bit,
Speaker 1: but I mean, say with your chest, rob, I mean,
Speaker 1: Brandy Gregory's gonna have a big ear, right. I mean
Speaker 1: what we've seen absolutely and what really what we saw
Speaker 1: in ten games last year with twenty snaps a game,
Speaker 1: you extrapolate that over sixteen games he had three and
Speaker 1: a half sacks. He can be a double digit sack
Speaker 1: guy for this group, and I think he needs to
Speaker 1: be because it's not a super deep position that they have.
Speaker 1: That's another mistake they made last year after he was
Speaker 1: eligible to play, giving him only twenty snaps a game.
Speaker 1: Are you serious? He was the best thing they had
Speaker 1: out there rushing the quarterback, and they were kind of
Speaker 1: just gingerly using him. Guys might have missed this because
Speaker 1: I wrote the column about him just before we kind
Speaker 1: of all went on vacation, but I basically pointed out
Speaker 1: he was my mister relevant. He needed to become relevant
Speaker 1: this year and take over and take that step to
Speaker 1: the point where they thought what they were getting when
Speaker 1: they drafted him in the second round in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1: He needs he needs to be a stud out there.
Speaker 1: They need that, and from everything we're seeing, it's only
Speaker 1: two practices. Pads aren't on, but boy, he is active,
Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about just rushing the quarterback. He
Speaker 1: stopped two runs that were major for a right defensive
Speaker 1: end to set the edge. The first time they tried
Speaker 1: to get Zeke outside and he turned them back inside
Speaker 1: because he beat him to the outside spot. And then
Speaker 1: the second time they tried to run an end a
Speaker 1: round to suck in the defensive lineman going one way,
Speaker 1: and they I believe it was CD was coming the
Speaker 1: other way, and he would have dropped him for maybe
Speaker 1: a five or ten yard loss on that end a
Speaker 1: round because he jumped on the outside and he was
Speaker 1: fast enough and quick enough. I'll tell you what. It's
Speaker 1: a good start to training camp for him. And if
Speaker 1: you consider this is his first training camp since twenty
Speaker 1: eighteen and his first offseason since his rookie year, and
Speaker 1: I think it's starting to show that boy he's six four.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they've got him listed weight, maybe
Speaker 1: about two two fifty two sixty, and his body is
Speaker 1: completely different than when they got him at two fifty eight.
Speaker 1: And you remember when he got here he was two
Speaker 1: forty and by the end of training camp he was
Speaker 1: two thirty because he couldn't keep the weight on. And
Speaker 1: he just looks he looks like he should be in
Speaker 1: number ninety four. By the way. Yeah, and you mentioned
Speaker 1: it's a bold statement, Mickey Spagnola. That's high prey here.
Speaker 1: I mean you mentioned his run defense, which people get
Speaker 1: that gets lost with the Marcus Lawrence too, because that's
Speaker 1: a part of the position that nobody talks about. But
Speaker 1: I mean I do focus on his pass rush ability
Speaker 1: for us why I asked Dan Quinn about it the
Speaker 1: other day because if you watch him in these and
Speaker 1: we've seen him play obviously, but you watch him in
Speaker 1: these pass rustrials, it is rare bend around the edge,
Speaker 1: the way he can bend and get inside to the quarterback.
Speaker 1: I've tweeted this last night. I haven't seen the Cowboys
Speaker 1: rusher do that since I've been here. The marcut swears
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame, better player, but it bendy.
Speaker 1: He has rare bend. He really does. And like Mickey said,
Speaker 1: it just comes down to him being available, and based
Speaker 1: on what they did or didn't do in free agency
Speaker 1: in the draft, they're counting on him to play most
Speaker 1: of the snaps and all the games at right defensive
Speaker 1: end because it's not it's not a super deposition. They
Speaker 1: addressed tackle. We talked about that the other show, but
Speaker 1: not as much on the on the edge. And Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons can help supplement that a little bit. We could
Speaker 1: just name him the rubber band Man. I like that
Speaker 1: because he's big. I like that a lot. Before we
Speaker 1: take this to break, I want to kind of keep
Speaker 1: this going and look on the positive side of things.
Speaker 1: What can the ceiling be for both Randy Gregory and
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence if they're both on the field at the
Speaker 1: same time, because that's that's a problem for offenses, that's
Speaker 1: going to be an issue. What is the ceiling if
Speaker 1: you had to put those guys out there and they're
Speaker 1: both healthy and starting. I know de Marcus Lawrence is
Speaker 1: on the publist at the moment. He should be ready
Speaker 1: to go by week one is what we've been told.
Speaker 1: So if they're both out on the field, what is
Speaker 1: the top of what they could do? Make? Oh this team?
Speaker 1: If they do what we think they should do, then
Speaker 1: their their sack totals as a team is going to
Speaker 1: rise greatly. I think it could double from last year.
Speaker 1: They ended up with thirty I think thirty thirty five,
Speaker 1: thirty seven something like which is not not good. It's
Speaker 1: it's almost average. Uh. It needs to be in the fifties.
Speaker 1: And and if they can do that together, uh, and
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence has his Robin on the other side, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, they could possibly both reach double digits. Thirty
Speaker 1: one sacks last year for the Cowboys, I mean back
Speaker 1: they haven't gotten sacks as a team in the fifties.
Speaker 1: Probably since Wade Phillips was head coached, probably probably two
Speaker 1: thousand and nine. Yeah, my guess is, do you ware
Speaker 1: in his prime Anthony Spencer was a very good player,
Speaker 1: And I think that was the last time they had
Speaker 1: two guys with double digit sacks. I think that's the ceiling.
Speaker 1: I think that's you know, with a healthy to Marcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence and Randy Gregory playing an entire season, hopefully, I
Speaker 1: think that's definitely possible. We got a mailback question about
Speaker 1: like the over under on between those two guys and
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons. Could they get like twenty five sacks just
Speaker 1: between the three of them. I think it's possible. I think,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's possible, but a lot of things have
Speaker 1: to go right, and you know, it's just it's hard
Speaker 1: to project a little bit because Randy has played so little.
Speaker 1: He's played thirty games in his career, but he the
Speaker 1: talent is there, it's so obvious. You also remember that
Speaker 1: this is going to be a seventeen game regular season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you could double that number to sixty plus. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: I really wanted to. It's up the annie. Then we
Speaker 1: could turn it up all the way. Yeah, beat five
Speaker 1: more than we'd predicted the five sacks a game from
Speaker 1: Mickey's bagnola. The other thing, too, is can the offense
Speaker 1: stay healthy and build leads where your defense can tee
Speaker 1: off a little can get after when you're playing from
Speaker 1: behind like you did every every game last year, That's
Speaker 1: a little difficult to do. I saw an interesting thing
Speaker 1: after practice. I hung out back down the other end
Speaker 1: and we had a little one on one schooling going
Speaker 1: on um taught by Professor Tyron Smith to the young
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons. They were practicing his get off in pass rush,
Speaker 1: and Tyron was trying to show him that if you're
Speaker 1: gonna use that inside spin move, you gotta make contact
Speaker 1: with me before you start spinning, because if you start
Speaker 1: spinning before we have contact, I'm just sitting here waiting
Speaker 1: on you and I'll just punch you out. So he
Speaker 1: was making sure that he makes sure you get into
Speaker 1: the left tackle before you start spinning. You know, it's
Speaker 1: sort of like that was it blazing Saddles when the
Speaker 1: guy was you know, the sword, he was zipping it around.
Speaker 1: I never saw it, and and the and the guy
Speaker 1: he was zipping an ats looking at him where he
Speaker 1: quiz and then he picks out a gun and shoots him.
Speaker 1: So the point is, you got you got with this.
Speaker 1: You don't be doing all these fancy moves when you're
Speaker 1: three yards away from the guy you're trying to beat.
Speaker 1: You got to get into him. So then he got
Speaker 1: finally got him to get into him on the spin move,
Speaker 1: and then he was showing him how he's got to
Speaker 1: use his hands to knock my hands off. And they
Speaker 1: went at it for a good ten ten minutes and
Speaker 1: finally near the end he got Tyrn and Tyrn just
Speaker 1: sit there and smile like a proud papa, right. And
Speaker 1: it was very interesting though that he pulled him aside
Speaker 1: and they actually worked on that. That's an awesome note
Speaker 1: because that also just tells me that Michael Parson's book
Speaker 1: book into his practice yesterday with getting out there early.
Speaker 1: He was working with Dan Quinn. There's a video on
Speaker 1: my Twitter of that working on his pass rush move right,
Speaker 1: and then he book ends it with having Tyron Smith
Speaker 1: talking about his pass right. See, and the key thing
Speaker 1: for him is if if they're gonna play at the
Speaker 1: way they did in standard defense with three linebackers out there,
Speaker 1: they had him on the strong side and when he
Speaker 1: was on the strong side. He was playing on the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, like right in front of the tight end,
Speaker 1: so that lets the offense know, Okay, is he going
Speaker 1: to cover my guy one on one or is he coming?
Speaker 1: And I thought it really looks like an interesting possibility
Speaker 1: because he was running with those tight ends. By the way,
Speaker 1: it's almost like, well, heck running with the tight ends
Speaker 1: on that one scramble drill ceedee. Lamb was screwing around
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: heat takes off and just goes deep almost to the
Speaker 1: end zone. And who's running with him Michael Parsons eleven.
Speaker 1: First step it was one number one, number one right
Speaker 1: draft choices, Yeah, step back to back down the field.
Speaker 1: He's been lined up with Zeke two covering Zeke, which
Speaker 1: is no easy task as well. I mean, he's just
Speaker 1: his versatility is uncommon. It really, it really is. I
Speaker 1: was just I was just wish and no offense to
Speaker 1: anybody that anybody that said, now they shouldn't have taken
Speaker 1: a linebacker that high. You'd be out here and watch
Speaker 1: what this guy's doing. Yeah, he's pretty special and he's
Speaker 1: taken advantage of every opportunity he can throughout practice as
Speaker 1: a rookie. That's certainly important in his first training camp.
Speaker 1: Another rookie taking advantage of his time on the practice field,
Speaker 1: Nashan Wright. Can he somehow play his way into a
Speaker 1: starting cornerback role? Well, that's one of the fan questions
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Speaker 1: of weeks. And that's exciting. Excited to get Isaiah in
Speaker 1: a training camp. He's gonna be here at a couple
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Speaker 1: fans on the fifty back starting things off with the
Speaker 1: one that I teased going into break and we'll start
Speaker 1: with you on this one, Mickey, and you can feel
Speaker 1: free to downplay this if you want. But of course,
Speaker 1: Nashan Wright, cornerback rookie out of Oregon State, has really
Speaker 1: looked impressive. Is there a chance, any realistic scenario that
Speaker 1: he plays into a starting role the way that he's
Speaker 1: been performing this offseason? If he does, he's gonna have
Speaker 1: to change sides, okay, because he's playing behind Trayvon Diggs
Speaker 1: and he's probably not beating him out for a starting job.
Speaker 1: Looked really good too, Yes, he has so. And on
Speaker 1: the other side, they've got Anthony Brown and Kelvin Joseph,
Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting if how they decide to maybe
Speaker 1: move him around. I don't think he's a slot corner
Speaker 1: at his size. He'd have trouble there, but you know
Speaker 1: who knows. One of the other corners can play inside.
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown's played inside, I would think play Kelvin could play,
Speaker 1: but I haven't seen him in the slot yet, and
Speaker 1: then you can bring him in if Calvin was a
Speaker 1: starter to you know, play the other side, But so
Speaker 1: far he's been on the right side, behind behind Trayvon Diggs.
Speaker 1: So we'll see on that. All I know is they
Speaker 1: went through growing praying pains with the rookie corner last
Speaker 1: year starting game one. I don't know you want to
Speaker 1: go through that again. And there's two of them that
Speaker 1: are clamoring for a starting job, mister Kelvin Joseph and
Speaker 1: Nishan right at the same time. Rob, Yeah, that's where
Speaker 1: I was going. I mean, I think from an experienced standpoint,
Speaker 1: I like Trayvon Diggs put his name in Penn for
Speaker 1: starting cornerback job. He's got one. I would still lean
Speaker 1: toward Anthony Brown on the other side to give you
Speaker 1: some more experience at least week one. That's just my projection.
Speaker 1: We'll see how it goes. But yeah, I think Kelvin
Speaker 1: Joseph will push and I think he'll play his rookie year,
Speaker 1: maybe be a starter at some point, and Nashan Wright,
Speaker 1: Nashan Wright will be continuing develop, to develop and be
Speaker 1: there potentially. But I go back to what happened last year.
Speaker 1: Every cornerback got hurt. So both guys have to be
Speaker 1: ready to play, and there's a chance that based on injuries,
Speaker 1: Nashan Wright might be a starter at some point as
Speaker 1: a rookie. Maybe that's not the plan, but it could happen.
Speaker 1: So he's got to be ready as a top one
Speaker 1: hundred pick. I mean, the question from Ernie was is
Speaker 1: there a realistic scenario? I think there definitely is a
Speaker 1: realistic scenario because, like you just said, where putting them?
Speaker 1: I think it would be an injury sort of deal.
Speaker 1: That's what I was kind of leading to is that
Speaker 1: there's anything is realistic at this point, and we saw
Speaker 1: that last year in twenty twenty. I'm not saying he
Speaker 1: would play into a starting spot unless there's somebody in
Speaker 1: front of him that's not on the depth chart anymore
Speaker 1: via injury, And that's that's kind of the way I
Speaker 1: was thinking, which is definitely realistic. But I think there's
Speaker 1: some some dominoes that have to fall first, and the
Speaker 1: guys do that. They asked the question, Ernie, Ernie, Ernie,
Speaker 1: let's get the pads on first before we get starters.
Speaker 1: Has he looked impressive though, yes, yes, because every practice
Speaker 1: he gets a hand on the ball as he does change.
Speaker 1: I don't rection, I don't know who's throwing it. I
Speaker 1: don't know who he's covering all the time, but he
Speaker 1: gets his hand on the ball. Two of his PBUs
Speaker 1: in practice, number one came against number four. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: number four is just throwing the ball. That's true. But
Speaker 1: you still gotta get a handle the ball. That's qualified
Speaker 1: a little bit of credit. I just want to slow
Speaker 1: the steamroller down. That's okay, we can we can, we
Speaker 1: can do that. How does Jarwin look so far after
Speaker 1: returning from his ACL injury. That question is from Jake
Speaker 1: Mickey's back Nolah. I wrote a note down here. Jar
Speaker 1: run running real well and cutting So to me, he
Speaker 1: doesn't look like he's he's got any lasting effects from
Speaker 1: the torn ACL. He's running well, he's cutting well. Now
Speaker 1: he just needs to get in the flow of the offense.
Speaker 1: Got after he missed what all but twenty snaps last year.
Speaker 1: It was twenty snaps I think in the season opener
Speaker 1: and then he got hurt. So yeah, he looks fine
Speaker 1: to me. I think they've got something going with a
Speaker 1: two tight end offense too. Unfortunately, that means one of
Speaker 1: the wide receivers has to come off the field. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the thing, Like how much are they going to
Speaker 1: get away from eleven personnel because that was like two
Speaker 1: thirds of the time that's what they did. Reason for
Speaker 1: good reason, because you have three studs on the outside. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But to Mickey's point, I think Blake and and Dalton
Speaker 1: Schultz have skill set that compliment each other as well,
Speaker 1: So I think that's a package you can get to.
Speaker 1: I'm with him. I think he's looked good. I haven't
Speaker 1: seen any effects from from the knee. I think there
Speaker 1: was one route on air between Dak and Blake that
Speaker 1: they missed each other on yesterday, and that's just I
Speaker 1: think it's probably just the timing thing, just getting him
Speaker 1: back in the flow and getting his timing back, and
Speaker 1: then they'll come. One of the notes that I wrote
Speaker 1: down and Mickey and I were standing next to each
Speaker 1: other for a good amount of practice yesterday and I said,
Speaker 1: Jarwin looks one hundred percent healthy, and it looks a
Speaker 1: little bigger too, And maybe that's just because I'm closer
Speaker 1: than I have been because whenever I started doing on
Speaker 1: air work, we were up in the booth and doing
Speaker 1: whatever different things. Well, if you think about it, when
Speaker 1: you're rehabbing like that strength a leg injury, then you
Speaker 1: know that nothing stops you from upper body weightlifting and
Speaker 1: putting on you know, good weight with spending time in
Speaker 1: the weight room. So yeah, I think he probably does
Speaker 1: look a little bit bigger. Yeah, no, I agree. This
Speaker 1: final question comes from Chewy great name by the way,
Speaker 1: on Twitter, who was likely to be the punt turner
Speaker 1: in at the start of the season. And the reason
Speaker 1: why he asked this question is he says, please don't
Speaker 1: let it be eighty eight because he's too valuable. What's
Speaker 1: his name, Chewy Chewy, Sorry, Chew, Chewy, Chew up the
Speaker 1: wrong number. Eighty eight is gonna return punts because he
Speaker 1: is valuable. Punt returns not a blowoff play, right, It's significant.
Speaker 1: And if I got a guy that can do what
Speaker 1: he can do, he's out there returning punts. I mean,
Speaker 1: just I'm I agree with you. And he did have
Speaker 1: some explosive plays and he nearly had some more last season,
Speaker 1: which they haven't had in past years. They've had reliable guys.
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley was reliable, but he wasn't going to get you,
Speaker 1: you know, a twenty plus yard return Ceedee Lamb can
Speaker 1: do that. I'm not saying Amari Cooper is going to
Speaker 1: miss a bunch of time here. But if they are,
Speaker 1: just hypothetically, if they were to have some depth issues
Speaker 1: at wide receiver, would you change your thinking during the season. No, Now,
Speaker 1: you said reliable. If I need reliable, I put Cedric
Speaker 1: Wilson out there, just go catch it, right. If I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna return the punt, I'm fine with that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But did you see the guy's catching punts yesterday? Yes?
Speaker 1: And I was off the jugs machine. But everybody, almost
Speaker 1: everybody we're on camera, right, yes, we okay, so almost
Speaker 1: everybody there. Yes, everybody's sitting there ready to catch the ball.
Speaker 1: That's this thing right there. They're they're they're just adjusting
Speaker 1: every step of the way. Right. He stands there like this,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, he puts his hands
Speaker 1: out and catches it like he knows where the ball's
Speaker 1: gonna land. He doesn't have to adjust his feet, he
Speaker 1: doesn't have to adjust his hands, and and and it's
Speaker 1: not easy. You saw what Zeke did right when he
Speaker 1: went out there. I said, oh, this is gonna be good,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, Zeke's trying to catch it
Speaker 1: like this in his five yards over his head. The
Speaker 1: first time he catches the ball, every it's like it's
Speaker 1: it's like a can of corn. You know. They used
Speaker 1: to call in baseball, and you know why they started
Speaker 1: that saying, right, why is that? Because bats should know this.
Speaker 1: I used to put work in baseball back in the day.
Speaker 1: In the grocery stores when they had high, high shelves,
Speaker 1: they used to have a pole and they pulled the
Speaker 1: can down and you catch it like a can of corn. Right,
Speaker 1: So that's only the insight that Mickey Spagnola can provide you.
Speaker 1: Let's try cowboys, because the grocery stores probably don't stack
Speaker 1: their stuff that high. And you don't have to get
Speaker 1: a pole, yeah, or you don't have to get a poll. Well,
Speaker 1: people group taller. Right, Wait, so where are your's What's
Speaker 1: where's the connection between hey catch the grocery stores. It
Speaker 1: like a can of corn. Okay, okay, you know, just
Speaker 1: like in baseball and they say, oh it's a high
Speaker 1: pop up. It's a can of corn, you know, and
Speaker 1: you catch it. He also had a cool little juggling
Speaker 1: act after practice where he would they were trying to
Speaker 1: catch as many as they could, but he would toss
Speaker 1: one up the air, catch it one handed, and then
Speaker 1: catch the other one, catch the other one so he
Speaker 1: could hold the other one in this hand, get rid
Speaker 1: of the one in this hand, and then catch the
Speaker 1: thing he threw in the air. So I saw. I'm
Speaker 1: not a producer, but look for that on hard Knock
Speaker 1: who was Triumph, who was one of the guys, was
Speaker 1: trying to do it, and he couldn't throw the ball
Speaker 1: up in the air straight, ye, throw it, throw it
Speaker 1: out in front of him. Then he's lugen to catch
Speaker 1: this one. He'd catch the other one right. Well, don't
Speaker 1: you remember Jenorris Jenkins when they did that in training
Speaker 1: camp that one year when Bill was here and and
Speaker 1: they were trying to catch see how many the and
Speaker 1: I think he caught like five, wasn't it. Pac Man
Speaker 1: did no, pac Man, that's right, Yeah, pac Man did it.
Speaker 1: Yeah he caught like yeah, yeah it was pac Man,
Speaker 1: that's right. And then everybody kept trying to do it.
Speaker 1: He had like six at once. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: can of corn, cann of corn. Yeah. I think it's
Speaker 1: interesting to think about the decision that's going to go
Speaker 1: into the punt return of question. Shoe. He got us
Speaker 1: down a little bit of a rabbit hole there, But
Speaker 1: at some point, and I think, Rob, you ask a
Speaker 1: good question because it's a decision that would have to
Speaker 1: be made if there's depth that shoes that wide receiver,
Speaker 1: or if Ceedee Lamb just takes that second year leap
Speaker 1: and turns into maybe the best receiver or future receiver
Speaker 1: on this cowboy's roster. Do you still put him out there?
Speaker 1: Is twenty yards on every couple punt returns more valuable
Speaker 1: than having a healthy number one wide. I just think
Speaker 1: at this point they're not afraid to do that, to
Speaker 1: put him out there at all. No, it ain't right now, No,
Speaker 1: it ain't twenty yards. It's the sixty yards that I
Speaker 1: could get that would be nice. There's that, And you know,
Speaker 1: like because the common example for the opposite thinking is well,
Speaker 1: they never let Dez Bryant do it well Dez Bryant.
Speaker 1: I think sometimes with Dez they were trying to protect
Speaker 1: des from Dez sure because Dez was so physical and
Speaker 1: wanted to always you know, you know, not live to
Speaker 1: play another down, you know what I mean? And I
Speaker 1: think that was one reason why they didn't do that
Speaker 1: with Dez. Well, did you trust Dez to make the
Speaker 1: right decision? Well, okay, maybe there's a fair catch. Maybe
Speaker 1: I got a fair catch this one. Okay, maybe I
Speaker 1: wouldn't trust him, but no, But fine. But there's also,
Speaker 1: like you just said earlier, there are situations where you
Speaker 1: can have a safe return or if the other teams
Speaker 1: backed up and there's a clear return situation. They used
Speaker 1: to do that with Terence Newman too. Yeah, you could
Speaker 1: have done that with Dez, but I don't think they
Speaker 1: trust the Dez just you know, just go down. You know,
Speaker 1: Dez is gonna fight for every inch, and that that
Speaker 1: was one reason why they didn't let him do that.
Speaker 1: It's a good point. It's a good point. When we
Speaker 1: come back here on Talking Cowboys, we're gonna talk about
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Speaker 1: here of Talking Cowboys. We gotta get off a little
Speaker 1: bit early today because Mike McCarthy speaking up on the
Speaker 1: podium here in Training Camp twenty twenty one presented by
Speaker 1: American Airlines, Mickey's Bagnola, Rob Phillips and Kyle Yeomans and
Speaker 1: Rob I'll starts with you on this one. It is
Speaker 1: just nothing but refreshing to see the starting offensive line
Speaker 1: back together, Lyle Collins, Tyrant Smith along with Zach Martin.
Speaker 1: You've even got Connor Williams, Tyler Biadas. The front five
Speaker 1: are out there and they're running in team drills eleven
Speaker 1: on eleven. How refreshing is it to see that again?
Speaker 1: Extremely refreshing, and it's nice to hear from Tyrn Smith
Speaker 1: and Lyle Collins like we did a couple in the
Speaker 1: last couple of days. Lyle talk yesterday and talked about
Speaker 1: how just about the long road back eighteen weeks he
Speaker 1: was on a walker then crutches, couldn't bathe himself at
Speaker 1: times after the hip surgery. I mean that that is
Speaker 1: the type of stuff we don't see and hear about
Speaker 1: when guys are coming back from serious injuries. He said,
Speaker 1: he never considered retirement. I think that was a false
Speaker 1: report out there. But yeah, I think it's they've been
Speaker 1: out We've talked about Blake Jarwin. Both those guys have
Speaker 1: been out there moving well. I don't see anything, you know,
Speaker 1: that's out of the ordinary there, and I think both
Speaker 1: guys Lyle said in twenty nineteen his hip started bothering
Speaker 1: and tyrants had kind of that residual back next stuff
Speaker 1: for a while. I think these surgeries are supposed to
Speaker 1: permanently fix those issues. So I think there's a comfort
Speaker 1: level there and a great job by by Britt Brown
Speaker 1: and the rehab process as well. If there's a question
Speaker 1: mark for me, it's some of the depth issues they have,
Speaker 1: or depth questions on the offensive line. Who's the swing tackle,
Speaker 1: who's the backup center. I think those questions still have
Speaker 1: to be determined. But it's great to see the starting
Speaker 1: vibe out there, for sure. So this is a bad visual.
Speaker 1: But he couldn't bathe himself, That's what he said. Did
Speaker 1: anybody else who did it? Nope? I didn't want to.
Speaker 1: He talked about his support system that his family was around.
Speaker 1: I didn't want know. It's not getting into too much
Speaker 1: detail here. It was a sort of refreshing as waking
Speaker 1: up every morning here and it's sixty two degrees. That's
Speaker 1: how refreshing it was. Um, we're just in the ditch
Speaker 1: every second. Gotta out yep, keep going, keep going. What
Speaker 1: else you got me? Now? I have no problems with
Speaker 1: the starting five. I think as solid as can be.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm keeping my eye on the swing tackle
Speaker 1: and I'm keeping my eye in the backup center because
Speaker 1: no one on this roster behind Beads snapped the ball
Speaker 1: in an NFL game last year. That's considered a backup center.
Speaker 1: One of them is a rookie free agent, right. The
Speaker 1: other one's a guy that played guard that they're moving
Speaker 1: the center who had played some center at in Nebraska.
Speaker 1: Farniac did get drafted, which is what he didn't play
Speaker 1: in the NFL. You're right, he was right. That is
Speaker 1: my point. Those are the two that have had snaps
Speaker 1: at center outside of Beads. And by the way, both
Speaker 1: of them in the first two practice have had a fumble,
Speaker 1: have had a bad snap, and finally they got um.
Speaker 1: So when they do, when the stretchings going on and
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks are doing their deal on the other field
Speaker 1: and they get somebody they practice snap into the center, right,
Speaker 1: and Connor Williams is over there. Yeah last year too,
Speaker 1: And and he actually got a snap with the seconds
Speaker 1: yesterday in practice and sailed at five feet over the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks head in a shotgun. She didn't have a chance.
Speaker 1: So I don't know that they consider somebody. RI saw
Speaker 1: read something that they considered him the backup center. And
Speaker 1: that's the furthest from the truth because Farniac OTAs and
Speaker 1: and minicamp was in there with the seconds. By the way,
Speaker 1: he didn't play a lot of center in college either.
Speaker 1: He didn't really, That's what I'm here in Nebraska. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was moving the tackle yard. He was a tackle guard,
Speaker 1: and I think they ended up moving him back to guard,
Speaker 1: you know. So it's been ale and then everybody talks
Speaker 1: about Connor McGovern. The last time Connor McGovern actually played
Speaker 1: a season of center at Penn State was twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: And yeah, and I talked to him at mini camp
Speaker 1: and he said, I'm basically working in guard right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not. I haven't. I haven't. I see him sometimes
Speaker 1: doing that pre practice snap stuff, but other than that,
Speaker 1: he's been at guard. So, um, keep an eye off
Speaker 1: for Jumbo Joe at some point. Well, I think it's
Speaker 1: it's in their hip pocket probably if he kept himself
Speaker 1: in shape. You think that could be after week one
Speaker 1: thing with the not guaranteed veteran contracts, Yes, it could be.
Speaker 1: It may take some time if he's in shape, But again,
Speaker 1: what are what are the COVID rules? It's true because
Speaker 1: it would take about five days for right an unvaccinated
Speaker 1: player to come in and do it vaccinated unvaccinated? Um?
Speaker 1: Is he in shape? Because he could eat himself out
Speaker 1: of a job by three? Um? So I think they
Speaker 1: got to let these young guys. Um, yeah right, let
Speaker 1: these young guys just let's see what they got. And
Speaker 1: again we're we're saying all this stuff and the pads
Speaker 1: haven't come. Yeah, not one padded practice since the end
Speaker 1: of last season, So I think we have to wait.
Speaker 1: But but you you know what for the backup tackle spot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you could watch their footwork right and it almost tells
Speaker 1: you can they do this or can't they do this?
Speaker 1: So what do you think about time? And Secky? Right now,
Speaker 1: I'm not overly impressed. Um. Same, I would like to
Speaker 1: see more of Josh ball. They're gonna give him a chance. Um,
Speaker 1: he may have to get stronger at some point, and
Speaker 1: I can't do that in a month. Um. Terrence Steele
Speaker 1: is still there taking second team reps and he's tacks both,
Speaker 1: but mostly at the right side, right Brandon Knight. We've
Speaker 1: seen him a little at guard. He's been at guard
Speaker 1: rum And you know you've said this, and I agree
Speaker 1: with you. If you get into the season and there's
Speaker 1: a brig Glass emergency situation, Zack Martin could be my
Speaker 1: right tack. He's my right tackle. And because you know why,
Speaker 1: I trust Connor McGovern to go in and play guard now.
Speaker 1: I think the reason they were hesitant last year because
Speaker 1: they weren't sure McGovern was ready to play after missing
Speaker 1: all the previous season. And then when they got comfortable
Speaker 1: with him playing guard, it was like, Okay, is he
Speaker 1: playing guard better than Terrence Steele playing right tackle? And
Speaker 1: the answer was yes, the whole best five right right exactly.
Speaker 1: And so I think he's got their confidence now that yeah,
Speaker 1: drop of a hat, Zack Martin's going out there. I
Speaker 1: ain't missing around. So starting five offensive line right now,
Speaker 1: compared to last year's training camp, you feel much better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I let them all. Yeah, I don't know about
Speaker 1: training camp. Two games into the season, I feel much better, right, true,
Speaker 1: because you didn't have Lale Collins, you didn't have Tyrn Smith.
Speaker 1: Collins was only out at training camp, like what one practice?
Speaker 1: I don't even think he did. He was out there
Speaker 1: for a little little bit practice. Did he get on
Speaker 1: the field like in a team situation? I don't think so.
Speaker 1: He was definitely went back and looked at my notes,
Speaker 1: he did, because it's in this notebook. But he got
Speaker 1: out there for it was like four snaps though. Mack. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. He was trying to push through this hip
Speaker 1: thing and they've just decided we've got to do something.
Speaker 1: And then and then you got to remember Travis Frederick
Speaker 1: wasn't there, you know, right questions too, and so you know,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, everybody just assumed Joe Looney was
Speaker 1: your starting center. I guarantee you had they had an
Speaker 1: off season in preseason, Beatish would have beat him out
Speaker 1: by time the season opener. I think i'd agree. Do
Speaker 1: you think it was weird that when Tyler got healthy
Speaker 1: they didn't put him back in down the stretch last year? Yes?
Speaker 1: I do but he got healthy, and then okay, now
Speaker 1: he's can put a uniform on, but was he ready
Speaker 1: to play? And then maybe for continuity's sake, that's so
Speaker 1: many change they said, okay, let's leave Looney in there.
Speaker 1: I think he had won the job in those four
Speaker 1: starts that he had or he and I think he
Speaker 1: played the majority of two other games in a relief role.
Speaker 1: To me, it's like, well, we talked about Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: a defensive end. What they haven't done at center tells
Speaker 1: me it's Tyler Biadas's job. Yeah, I don't think there's
Speaker 1: any question. It's the backup question, the depth that's the issue.
Speaker 1: And we found out last year how important that is, right, Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Unfortunately for them, I felt really good about this last
Speaker 1: segment about the offensive line until you said that, But
Speaker 1: comparative to last year, now I don't feel that great anymore.
Speaker 1: That's gonna do it here for us on talking Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Hope you enjoyed the last forty five minutes with us.
Speaker 1: We're having some fun out here in Oxnard. We will
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Speaker 1: and plenty more as we get closer and closer to
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