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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody.

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Speaker 2: We're coming to you from the twenty twenty five NFL

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Speaker 2: Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. This is Patriots Draft count Town,

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Speaker 2: presented by bud Light but like Easy to Drink, Easy

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Speaker 2: to Enjoy, the official beer sponsor of the New England Patriots.

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Speaker 2: And Evan, we're back in India. It feels like we

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Speaker 2: never left, right back in the mix of it. It's Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: We're hearing from some of the coaches and gms today.

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Speaker 2: We did have a chance to sit down and talk

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Speaker 2: to Mike Rabel, but ev let's start things off with

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Speaker 2: just a general scene center here.

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Speaker 1: You love the combine.

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Speaker 3: I love the combine.

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Speaker 2: A lot of big questions, different position groups standing out

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Speaker 2: a little bit. We heard Coach Rabel talk about the

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Speaker 2: defensive line, the edge, the linebackers, our favorite, the front

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Speaker 2: seven deep class this year.

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Speaker 3: But what are you most excited for this week here

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Speaker 3: in Indy.

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Speaker 4: Well, this is the start of it all, and I

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Speaker 4: feel like, just listening to a lot of the head

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Speaker 4: coaches and general managers this morning, including Mike Rabel, the

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Speaker 4: board is pretty you know, it's pretty early like in

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Speaker 4: the entire process, and I feel like at this point

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Speaker 4: we all just want to jump out scenarios and talk

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Speaker 4: about Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter and Will Campbell and

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Speaker 4: this that the other thing. And right now it's we're

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Speaker 4: kind of like still on the front nine of the

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Speaker 4: draft process for a lot of these teams. So I'm

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Speaker 4: really looking forward to obviously the drills at the end

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Speaker 4: of the week, but I think a lot of the

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Speaker 4: personnel people will talk about the interviews and the medicals

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Speaker 4: and that sort of stuff. We aren't privy to that necessarily,

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Speaker 4: but that's where a lot of this can can really

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Speaker 4: make or break a draft prospect. Stock is you know,

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Speaker 4: what you think about these guys, and just talking to

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Speaker 4: Rabel just about you know, getting in the room with

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Speaker 4: these guys, seeing how they're wired, seeing how they react

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Speaker 4: to certain things that he might say to them or

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Speaker 4: ask them certain questions, and even go out on the

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Speaker 4: pro day circuit and put the pad on like he does,

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Speaker 4: and you know, work these guys out, you know, up close.

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Speaker 4: And I think that that's where we're at right now,

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Speaker 4: and this process is trying to really narrow down the

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Speaker 4: guys that are going to be patriots, you know, not

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Speaker 4: just necessarily the entire group.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hard to suss it all out, but certainly, like

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Speaker 2: I said, the front seven position grew really intriguing to me,

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Speaker 2: seems like the Patriots need to do some work on

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Speaker 2: that side of the ball. We did talk to Mike

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Speaker 2: Rabel about that a little bit, which will play that

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Speaker 2: interview here in a minute. But I'm excited to get

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Speaker 2: things started with that group because I feel like there

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Speaker 2: are a lot of different types of guys. You know,

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Speaker 2: whether you're whatever your fancy is on the defensive line.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to hand down defensive end. Do you

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Speaker 2: want a big, fat nose tackle in the middle. Do

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Speaker 2: you want an athletic off the ball kind of will linebacker.

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Speaker 3: Those kind of players exist.

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Speaker 2: It seems like, you know, look not up and down

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Speaker 2: the draft, but certainly top one hundred picks.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Really good players in that in that in those position groups,

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Speaker 2: and I think the hard thing is figuring out which

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Speaker 2: ones fit what the Patriots and Mike Rabel are going

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Speaker 1: Defense one hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: And we used to have such a long history of

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Speaker 4: this is a Belichick type of player, and you could

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Speaker 4: just look back, you know, twenty years of data of

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Speaker 4: like these are the types of guys that they want,

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Speaker 4: and they gravitate towards And we talked to Vrabel a

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Speaker 4: little bit about the scheme and on defense, and he

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Speaker 4: mentioned Terrell Williams, you know, aggressive defensive coordinators the way

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Speaker 4: play on the other side to the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 4: And it didn't sound like we're gonna have so much

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Speaker 4: let's build the wall to gap. But you wouldn't commit

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Speaker 4: one way or another right now, but it does sound

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Speaker 4: like they want to be a little bit more aggressive,

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Speaker 4: a little bit more four man down, you know, rush

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Speaker 4: the quarterback and with four guys and get home with

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Speaker 4: four guys. And I think that he just knows schematically

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Speaker 4: how helpful that is for the back seven. When you

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Speaker 4: take guys out of coverage to get pressure on the quarterback.

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Speaker 4: This is certainly the draft for that if you want

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Speaker 4: that type of player. I think one of the things

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Speaker 4: that those what we used to call undersized pass rushers

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Speaker 4: off the edge, particularly the guys that are forty five

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Speaker 4: that's not undersized anymore. That is the norm these athletic

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Speaker 4: that might play a little bit lighter than Mike Rabel,

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Speaker 4: right Like, you know, Mike Rabel was probably a little

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Speaker 4: bit bigger back in the day than what these guys

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Speaker 4: are now. But you have plenty of that in this draft.

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Speaker 4: From really i'd say pick one to pick one fifty,

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Speaker 4: you could find guys that have starter level grades that

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Speaker 4: can get after the quarterback. It's about rounding out their

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Speaker 4: games maybe a little bit. That I think is an

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Speaker 4: interesting conversation for the Patriots.

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Speaker 2: All right, well, let's roll that Mike Frabel interview right now.

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Speaker 2: Is a good time, a lot of information and he's

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Speaker 2: open at the podium. He sat down with us. He

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Speaker 2: also sat down with the Beat reporters from Abound Boston.

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Speaker 2: So this was our interview with Mike Rabel. All right,

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Speaker 2: we're excited to be doing join now with coach Mike

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Speaker 2: Rabel here and coach I gotta start with one take

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Speaker 2: us back.

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Speaker 3: What was it like when you were a player here

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Speaker 3: at the combine?

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Speaker 5: Well, Orlando Pace was my roommate, and I tell this

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Speaker 5: story every year I come to the combine when they say, oh,

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Speaker 5: you know, players there are at the MRI or they

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Speaker 5: have to go to the hospital for some.

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Speaker 6: More tests or be tugged on.

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Speaker 5: And Orlando Pace they must have said that he had

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Speaker 5: to go get an MRI and he was like, nah,

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Speaker 5: I'm going back to Columbus and he just got either

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Speaker 5: he flew back or he drove back or whatever, and

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Speaker 5: so teams would be calling or people would be calling

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Speaker 5: like hey, is it or later there, I said, no,

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Speaker 5: I don't think he here and I don't know what

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Speaker 5: needs to come get an MRI, and I said, I

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Speaker 5: don't think he's headed for that MRI. And he still

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Speaker 5: got picked with the number one overall draft picks. So

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Speaker 5: that that was a funny story that, uh he just said,

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Speaker 5: I'm out of here. I'm not getting an MRI.

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Speaker 6: But uh no, it was good.

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Speaker 5: I mean I remember meeting with teams. I remember meeting

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Speaker 6: In ninety seven, so you know it was good.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Jason Taylor was was near me in a group.

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Speaker 5: You know what, I'm saying like T and V and

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Speaker 5: he obviously had an amazing career and we kind of

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Speaker 5: went in the same part of the end of the

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Speaker 5: third round and we'll always remember that.

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Speaker 6: And but you know, that's just was just one step

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Speaker 6: of a process.

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Speaker 2: So you're back now, back up there at the podium

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Speaker 2: a minute ago. How does it feel just to be

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Speaker 2: representing the Patriots here and back in the head coach?

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Speaker 5: So I think that that's a that's a great way

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Speaker 5: to look at it. It's it's a great honor. It's

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Speaker 5: something that I'm very grateful to be able to do,

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Speaker 5: and it's it's a it's a privilege I believe to

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Speaker 5: be a part of this league and trying to build

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Speaker 5: something and bring together a group of people and have

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Speaker 5: some energy with it and you know, just just provide

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Speaker 5: a great vision and help people wherever I can.

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Speaker 4: You mentioned the Super Bowl when you're talking up there

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Speaker 4: and building through the trenches and just for the Orlando

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Speaker 4: pace coming up to just how important is it for

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Speaker 4: you guys this offseason to build up the offensive and

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Speaker 4: defensive lines.

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Speaker 1: Well, it is.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think that it is something that we

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Speaker 5: need to be able to do. We need to identify

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Speaker 5: the men that we feel like exhibit those qualities and

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Speaker 5: like we need to add and to bring on that

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Speaker 5: will help us continue to do that. So that's where

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Speaker 5: this game is one you know consistently. I mean there's

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Speaker 5: times where the skill can can win, but I think

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Speaker 5: through the rigors of a season, you certainly want to.

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Speaker 6: Have a great lines of scrimmage.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned you talked with some of the defensive linemen,

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Speaker 2: the edges, the linebackers, the first position group we'll hear

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Speaker 2: from tomorrow. You had a chance to meet with some

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Speaker 2: of those guys this year. It seems like a really deep class,

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Speaker 2: a lot of different types. Yeah, do you still gravitate

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Speaker 2: gravitate towards those positions well you play?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think that I do, But I

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Speaker 5: think just making sure that when I was, you know,

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Speaker 5: being a head coach for the first time, that you

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Speaker 5: didn't spend all your time with the outside linebacker, or

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Speaker 5: you just didn't spend all your time with the defense

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Speaker 5: ends or whatever it may be, but that you're where

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Speaker 5: you are where the head coach is is what's important,

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Speaker 5: and so I need to be in special teams. I

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Speaker 5: need to be and I do think that that's the

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Speaker 5: strength of mine. I think that I can provide some

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Speaker 5: our on our team, and I don't think that that's

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Speaker 5: some positions there may be greater detailed than others, but

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Speaker 5: I do think that that is a connection that I

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Speaker 5: have and the ability to do that.

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Speaker 4: You mentioned aggressiveness with with coach Williams on the defensive

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Speaker 4: side of the ball, and one of the things we've

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Speaker 4: been kicking around is in Tennessee, seem like you guys

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Speaker 4: maybe play a little bit more four man front than

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Speaker 4: what we've seen around here.

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Speaker 1: With Coach Belichick in the past.

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Speaker 4: Just what do you look at with that defensive scheme

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Speaker 4: and could you see you guys being a little bit

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Speaker 4: more for down.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I think that we probably have that ability.

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to commit to anything right now. You know,

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Speaker 5: we want to play on their side of a lot

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Speaker 5: of scrimmage. You know, we don't want to sit and

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Speaker 5: you know, there's different techniques, there's different things that we'll

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Speaker 5: be able to do whether we play a three down front,

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Speaker 5: five down front, four down front pressure. You know, we

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Speaker 5: want to be able to you know, have a lot

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Speaker 5: of different things at our disposal, uh to again to

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Speaker 5: teach the players, and it may be some new teaching

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Speaker 5: and that's okay, but I think that the fundamentals that

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Speaker 5: they've played with here in the past is something that

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Speaker 5: we'll want to continue. Style may be a little different

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Speaker 5: or the call or the front, but confident that those

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Speaker 2: We here a lot just to piggyback on that is

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Speaker 2: game plan defense for a lot a lot over the

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Speaker 2: years here. Would you consider yourself a game plan defense

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Speaker 2: kind of quo?

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Speaker 5: I'm going to think that there's a certain elements that

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Speaker 2: Just as a head coach, what do you want to accomplish

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Speaker 4: And April I was gonna ask you about the proda's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a couple of small moves you guys have

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Speaker 5: You know, well, I watch I talked to Elliott, I

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Speaker 3: Great coach, thanks so much, Thank you guys. On the

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Speaker 3: next thing, yes, thank you, appreciate it all right.

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Speaker 2: So great stuff, really great to you know, sit down

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Speaker 3: Put in the forefront.

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Speaker 2: It's not so much how do we fill out I

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think every great coach and I think you'd

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've heard a couple of times too from coach

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Speaker 2: It's part of why I like coming here, because you know,

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I've found in my process it's like, I really

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Speaker 2: What's an interview like with him? You know, to hear

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Speaker 4: I know that sometimes fans hear that, and people that

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Speaker 4: listen to do ues hear that, and They're like, all right,

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Speaker 4: can we not like get can we get some talent?

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Speaker 4: Like let's like forget about yeah, forget about the ra

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Speaker 4: ra stuff like can we get some football players that

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Speaker 4: have a lot of talent? And that's part of it,

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Speaker 4: But when you're a back to back four win football team,

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Speaker 4: there's a culture aspect of it too, and I think

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Speaker 4: it's important to them.

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Speaker 2: One more interesting piece for me that they actually said

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Speaker 2: over on the podium is that Terrell Williams, the new

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Speaker 2: defensive coordinator, will call plays. There have been some speculation

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Speaker 2: will Mike rab will be the guy to do that.

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Speaker 2: He said explicitly, it will be Terrell Williams. So there

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Speaker 2: might be some growing paints there. I know you wrote

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Speaker 2: a good deep dive on Terrell Williams' defense what they

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Speaker 2: were kind of running in Tennessee. Mike mentioned also aggressiveness,

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Speaker 2: and I think some of us might have interpreted that

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Speaker 2: as less two gap maybe more one one.

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Speaker 1: I would have to interpreted that.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe we're wishful thinking, but yeah, but what what's

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Speaker 2: kind of your expectation with Terrell Williams? And you know,

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Speaker 2: do you think that there will be some growing paints

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Speaker 2: with this defense where adjusting the scheme of the personnel

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Speaker 2: a new play caller. We've seen that last couple of

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Speaker 2: years where there's been new play callers, they can probably

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Speaker 2: expect there to be some growing pains.

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Speaker 3: But what are your kind of expectations and feel for that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a couple of things that stand out.

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Speaker 4: I think the number one thing when you look at

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Speaker 4: Trell Williams's background, this is a defensive line coach. Is

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Speaker 4: the guy that's worked a lot in the front seven.

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Speaker 4: So how does he marry pass rush with coverage? Like,

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Speaker 4: how does he understand the back end? What is his

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Speaker 4: knowledge of the back end? I think a guy like

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Speaker 4: Scott Booker is here in a lot of ways to

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Speaker 4: help him with that. Marriage two guys that were in

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Speaker 4: the same scheme in Tennessee for a long time, so

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Speaker 4: they have that familiarity. Is Scott Booker going to help

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Speaker 4: him kind of quarterback the back end so that he

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Speaker 4: can focus on getting pressure and stopping to run and

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Speaker 4: things like that. Whenever you elevated defensive line coach, that's

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Speaker 4: my initial instinct is, Okay, well, what does he know

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Speaker 4: about coverage and rotation and you know cover three, cover four,

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Speaker 4: man to man like whatever the case may be. You know,

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Speaker 4: how do you go about coaching that and marrying that

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Speaker 4: and game planning for that with the opponent. And I

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Speaker 4: did think it was interesting that Rabel mentioned Ben McAdoo

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Speaker 4: and having Ben mcado basically reverse engineer, you know, if

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Speaker 4: we're going to go up against our defense and I

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Speaker 4: was the offensive coach and I was the OC on

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Speaker 4: the other side. That's basically what Rabel did in Cleveland

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Speaker 4: for the past year own. He was there with the

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Speaker 4: Browns as an advisor, so you have that voice as

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Speaker 4: well that can be helpful in those types of things.

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Speaker 4: I think the last thing though, is again, are they

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Speaker 4: going to be more four down? Are they going to

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Speaker 4: be more aggressive? Are they going to try to shoot

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Speaker 4: gaps and get up the field, because I believe that

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Speaker 4: early down pass rush suffers when you're predominantly two gaping defense.

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Speaker 4: I think we both see that. Twenty ninth in pressure,

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Speaker 4: eight last year last in sacks in the league. I'm

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Speaker 4: not saying it was all because of that. Talent's a

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Speaker 4: big part of that, but when you're asking guys to

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Speaker 4: like two gap and then they have to transition to

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Speaker 4: a pass rush move when it's a play action or

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Speaker 4: it's a throw on early downs that that can be

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Speaker 4: a little bit of a hesitation there and that pause.

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Speaker 4: So I think we all want to see some more aggressiveness.

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Speaker 4: But in general, I'm interested to see though, how Terrell

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Speaker 4: Williams handles the responsibilities a calling plays because he is

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Speaker 4: a front seven defensive line background.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one more area just to touch on that stood

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Speaker 2: out to me. Just free agencies coming up here in

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Speaker 2: a couple weeks. I mean, we're right, we'll get back

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Speaker 2: from the combine. It's boom free agency time, and you

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Speaker 2: spend so much time figuring out who the draft picks

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Speaker 2: are before free agency. There's a lot of things in

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Speaker 2: motion right now, and I just I liked hearing from

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Speaker 2: Vrabel they're going to be aggressive. I think they understand

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Speaker 2: where they're at, what kind of team they are, what

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Speaker 2: kind of draw they are right now. But it's encouraging

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Speaker 2: because it feels like the word aggressive again, and that's

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Speaker 2: what I think all fans really want to see this

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Speaker 2: spring is you got some money to spend, You've got

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Speaker 2: the draft capital, You've got enough of those elements to

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Speaker 2: make some noise this year. And it sounds like they're

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Speaker 2: going to do their best to try to, you know,

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Speaker 2: really improve this roster. I mean, he said it explicitly,

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Speaker 2: and I'm not sure what this roster is going to

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Speaker 2: look like. You know, by the time we get to September,

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Speaker 2: a lot of moves to be made. But I'm excited

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Speaker 2: by the hint that they're going to be aggressive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they have to be aggressive.

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Speaker 4: They have all the cap space in the world and

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Speaker 4: you got to spend it that money somewhere. And I

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Speaker 4: think the biggest thing though, is when you look at

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Speaker 4: where they can spend it, how do they attract those

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Speaker 4: top of the market free agents. Last year, Let's face it,

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Speaker 4: you know, Calvin Ridley said no, Brandon and I you

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Speaker 4: said no like that, that's just the bottom line. They

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Speaker 4: offered the Brinks truck to both those guys and neither

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Speaker 4: one of them wanted to take the money. So I

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Speaker 4: asked Rabel about that when we had him in the scrum,

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Speaker 4: just you know, how do you go about being an

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Speaker 4: attractive destination? And I thought he had an interesting word

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Speaker 4: he use. He said, testimonials, which like you think about

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Speaker 4: that like as like a review for somebody's business or

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Speaker 4: something like that, right, like, oh, you know this dog

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Speaker 4: breeder what the test like it does everybody have a

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Speaker 4: great dog out of this person, right, But he was saying,

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Speaker 4: you know, let's talk about our program, and let's talk

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Speaker 4: about how we're going to use you and how you

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Speaker 4: fit in here, and all those different types of things,

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Speaker 4: and that sort of can make or break it to

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Speaker 4: an extent, right, Like everybody's offering top of the money,

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Speaker 4: you know, market value, Like if t Higgins is an

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Speaker 4: unrestricted free agent, everybody's gonna offer him thirty five million

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Speaker 4: dollars a year that wants him. So what's gonna separate

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Speaker 4: you is all that other stuff. And I'm interested to

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Speaker 4: see how Mike Rabel is as a recruiter, like can

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Speaker 4: he go out there and recruit players to want to

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Speaker 4: come to New England. But he mentioned in the draft

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Speaker 4: when it comes to wide receivers specifically, you got to

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Speaker 4: draft those guys like you most of the time, in

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Speaker 4: order to get one of those you got to draft them.

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Speaker 4: He knows all about that with Aj Brown. So you

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Speaker 4: have to go out there and actually make that happen

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Speaker 4: in the draft most of the time. But that's a

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Speaker 4: fascinating part about this to me, is can they get

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Speaker 4: Mike Rabel in a room with a you know, a

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Speaker 4: Trey Smith or a Ronnie Stanley or t Higgins, and

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Speaker 4: all of a sudden, that guy has just swayed like

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna play for this guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe Ronnie Stanley wants to put that We get

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Speaker 2: that breastplate on Brabell, you know, yeah, go ahead, go

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Speaker 2: ahead to have one a little bit. All right, Well,

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Speaker 2: we're just getting started here obviously on Patriots Draft Countdown.

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Speaker 2: This is our first episode and we're gonna be here

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Speaker 2: all week. We're expecting to talk to Elliott Wolf tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: WHI should be exciting to pick his brain a little

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Speaker 2: bit about this draft class. And we're gonna kick things

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Speaker 2: off tomorrow. I have with the prospects the front seven.

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Speaker 2: You know, we love it working our way.

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Speaker 1: Up right and early with the Abdul Carter at eight am. Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he brings the energy. We're gonna bring the energy too.

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Speaker 2: So we hope you'll stick with us here all week,

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Speaker 2: and then we'll be right back after we get back

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Speaker 2: from the Combine with more episodes of Patriots Draft Contown.

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Speaker 1: So stick with us.

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Speaker 3: We'll be here all week