WEBVTT - Jags A.M. Podcast Ep. 132 | Head Coach Search Begins, Competing with Other Vacancies 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:20.600 Welcome to Jagsam. I'm Pennanni Stevens, Brian Sexton, John Oser 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:24.040 with me our final jags Am of the regular season. 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:26.400 We're gonna talk things out. There's a coaching search coming 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:28.320 up and a lot going on in the off season. 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:30.880 So big thing number one and so it begins. Doug 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:33.559 Peterson released of his duties as head coach, so that 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:35.600 means being now looking for a new head coach and 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:37.960 leader of this team. Treen Balki says, the search is 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:38.760 going to start right away. 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:41.920 I think you think the short answer to that is yes. 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:45.159 I mean, we're gonna move quickly to get some people 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:48.840 lined up to talk to How long that process takes. 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:51.040 I think Sean mentioned it's going to take as long 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:54.640 as it takes to identify the right individual. And is 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:57.920 that one interview? Is that two interviews? I think you 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:00.240 know we're going to do our due diligence and be 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:01.880 very thorough in this process. 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:06.240 Brian, we already know eight people that they're bringing in 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:08.840 for interview or they've requested interviews that I should say, 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:10.759 but talk us through this timeline a little bit because 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:12.039 it is different to seear than we see. 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:12.400 In the past. 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:14.000 Well, I think that this process is going to be 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:17.680 slower than people have imagined because the league is intentionally 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:20.560 trying to push back the hiring date. They're trying to 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:24.800 be more inclusive and have more potential candidates. Obviously, that's 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:26.479 been something they've been working at for quite a lot 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:30.520 of time. Guy, And you can't do an in person 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:35.000 interview with someone who's under contract until after the divisional rounds, 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:38.000 so not at next week, but the week after next week. 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:40.200 Is the first week that you can do in person interviews. 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:41.880 So everything is going to be virtual. 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:45.440 I think the window is Wednesday, Thursday through Sunday this week, 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:48.640 and then it tightens down a little bit, so a 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:52.600 lot of teams are scrambling to get this first round 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:56.880 of virtual interviews in before that deadline hits. John, this 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:58.400 is a process that looks like it might take all 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:00.000 the way up till Super Bowl for most of these twas, 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:02.040 So that's kind of the way the league is setting 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:02.800 it up well. 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:06.080 I think people who followed the last Jaguars coaching search 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:08.919 sort of have a feel for the pace. Doug Peterson interviewed. 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:11.440 I forget the exact timeline, but it was a long time. 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:15.280 A month between first interview and actual hiring. So the 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:18.840 league has tried to do that with the idea of 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:24.000 being to allow the divisional round coaches Championship game coach 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:26.960 is a legitimate a legitimate chance to be in the mix, 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:30.679 and frankly, it's worked. The process has slowed. Five or 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:36.000 six years ago, it felt like the high you could 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:38.560 interview a head coach and there'd be guys announced like 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:42.079 next week. I don't anticipate that, and that's good because 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:45.560 it does allow teams to take their time and try 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:47.560 to find the right guy. And Brian, that's the most 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:49.560 important thing is finding the right guy, not the first guy. 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:52.040 I think so, And there is also the possibility that 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:54.919 names can be added to that list of eight. Someone 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:57.600 along the way comes to mind, someone that you maybe 0:02:57.680 --> 0:02:59.680 not have heard a lot about, or that isn't in 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:02.560 the pup guy as much. And we'll both say this, John, 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:05.880 it's about finding the right guy and if that takes 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:08.560 thirty days, she'll be it. But I don't think the 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:11.160 Jaguars will behind the curve at all because every team 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:13.120 is following these new guidelines. 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:15.359 They are, which leads into our second big thing, which 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:18.359 is top spot. There's six openings right now for head 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:20.959 coaches around the NFL, and obviously we know what the 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.920 Jaguars have going on in their division and what's been there. John, 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:26.480 How appealing is this opening compared to some of the 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:27.000 other ones. 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:29.440 Well, I think it's appealing in the sense that you 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:32.000 have an owner who supports, You have an owner who 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:32.720 doesn't meddle. 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:34.400 You have. 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:39.920 An owner who will clearly spend whatever it takes. You've 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:43.600 got Florida, you have this building we're sitting in the MEC. 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:47.600 I said yesterday and I'll continue saying it. I think 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:53.000 the job is as appealing as the candidate likes Trevor Lawrence, 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:59.360 and I think most candidates will like that very much. 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:02.520 You have a young quarterback. He's been injured, but you know, 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:06.200 before that injury in twenty three playing at a high level. 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:10.240 If he scratched the surface, there's something there. Brian, I 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:14.800 think if you're a Trevor Lawrence guy, it's the best job. 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:17.040 I don't know how all eight of these guys feel 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:19.480 about that, and I think that'll determine what people think 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:20.000 about the job. 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:21.360 Well, we've talked a lot about you know, what the 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:25.000 Jaguars had to offer the quarterback, the salary cap, the 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:28.000 twenty draft picks in the next two years, sparkling new facilities, 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:31.120 an owner that won't meddle and will spend. But when 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:34.840 you look at the other jobs open compared to this one, 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:37.200 you see that the Jets don't have a quarterback, and 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:40.200 by the way, they don't have a quarterback. Neither do 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:44.000 the Raiders. This is not a good year to need 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:48.040 a quarterback. And so when you look at the quarterback issue, 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:50.640 it's front and center number one. If you believe that 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:53.760 Trevor Lawrence has good football in front of him, all 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:55.760 the other reasons that I mentioned, and then what John 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.520 talked about the quarterback make this his appealing a job 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:00.359 as possible. I mean, you can look at all the 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:03.960 other circumstances and situations, whether it's the Bears and playing 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:07.599 in that hyper competitive NFC North Division or the Saints 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:11.640 who have a salary cap disaster sitting in front of them, 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:14.839 this job is as attractive as any. 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:17.240 All Right, Our final big thing is going to be 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:20.800 EVP That was mentioned during the Executive vice president that 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:23.719 was mentioned during the media availability with Shadkhan and Trent 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.000 bal Key, and Shad con was asked whether he'd consider 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:28.599 hiring also an executive vice president. 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:31.360 You know, it's got to be the right person, Okay, 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:37.240 and it's got to be And frankly, I mean we 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:41.120 need to add some people. I mean we're lean, but 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:44.640 you know, if you look at again on you know, 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:48.239 the football side, I mean we've added people, We've changed 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:52.400 some people, and if we find the right person. 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:57.120 Definitely, Ryan, how promising is this is real possibility to 0:05:57.240 --> 0:05:58.800 kind of get someone else in there to help make 0:05:58.839 --> 0:05:59.719 some of these decisions. 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:01.400 Well, I mean, to me, it's very promising because I 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:04.520 want Tony BISSELLI right. I know that that's a name 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:07.840 that's been bantered about. And listen, it worked for the 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:11.760 Ravens with Ozzie Newsom, It's worked for the Broncos with 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.720 John Elway. It has worked with John Lynch in that 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:19.039 role in San Francisco where that person who represents but 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:22.200 Lynch doesn't represent the Niners like Tony would represent the Jaguars. 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:25.120 But I think he would be a really good person 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:28.679 to put into that role. And I think it's something 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:31.080 that he would excel at. And so if the possibility 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:33.560 exists that Tony can come in in a role that 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:37.200 has an impact on improving the football operation. And more 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:40.360 importantly than that, John setting the Jaguar away. I mean, 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:43.000 we hear about how the Steelers do it, and how 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:46.360 the Patriots do it, and how these championship franchises do it. 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:49.320 We don't have that here in Jacksonville right now. I 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:51.400 think Tony Biselli would be a good person to be 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:54.440 able to institute that because he was here during the 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:58.320 Golden era. He has the yellow jacket, the gold jacket 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:02.080 that signifies his level of excellence as a player, and 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:04.159 he's around the National Football League, and he cares. He 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.800 cares a lot. In fact, I would suggest that there 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:10.200 isn't anybody that Shod could hire that would care about 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:12.480 the franchise and guard it as much as he would 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:13.679 other than Tony Boselli. 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:16.160 Yeah, I think Tony be a home run. 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:20.800 I answer your question Kai, how big of a possibility 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:22.920 is that? I don't think Shod would have mentioned it 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:26.480 Monday if he wasn't thinking about it. If you recall 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.240 Shod in the interview process when he hired Tom Coffin 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:32.840 for this. When he goes into this interview process, he 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:35.600 often is trying to figure out. 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:37.320 What will work the best. 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:41.640 He's often listening to candidates and trying to figure out, Okay, 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.640 with the people available, how can I make this work. 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:48.120 He's an engineer member, so he likes to figure out 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:51.320 the system that will work. So I think the fact 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:54.200 that he's talking about it Monday saying if he finds 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:57.200 the right person, I think Tony's the right person. I 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.680 don't know how Shod feels about that because he doesn't 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:01.680 really talk talk about that sort of thing, but uh, 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:05.000 I do think it's an absolute possibility. Uh, because it 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:06.720 was mentioned on Monday in a prominent situation. 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:08.840 We'll keep an eye on it throughout the coming weeks 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:10.840 as well as through this coaching search. So we have 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:13.080 eight names of people that are they are hoping to 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:14.720 come in. We're gonna talk about them coming up after 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:25.440 the break. Tag XAM brought to you by Field to 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:28.080 Auto Group, Jacksonville's premiere luxury auto group. Head over to 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:31.280 Field Auto dot com. 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:32.680 I don't really know. 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:35.280 I know we're a young team, you know, so I 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:38.120 would definitely love to have some one, you know, kind 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:41.240 of relatable to us, you know, in a sense, you know, 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:43.880 somebody with some passion. I love for somebody with some 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:46.199 passion and somebody just showing them about what we got 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:46.760 going on here. 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:49.319 Just somebody wants to win. Just somebody wants to be 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:51.839 around a guys, somebody who's who's eat it fired up, 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:55.240 uh with the opportunity to uh just help us uh 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:57.280 go and ultimately win the Super Bowl when I first 0:08:57.320 --> 0:08:58.960 to go here and uh that's what we all want 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:00.640 and uh for somebody want somewhere. 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:03.960 I think that's a tough question to answer right now. 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:08.440 I just think obviously we're all processing the end of 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:14.400 the season. We're all reflecting on just us ourselves individually 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:16.880 and as a team, because like I said, we all 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:18.800 had a hand in this. So I think the important 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:22.400 thing right now is to just reflect personally on where 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:27.240 you can do better going forward, all the learning opportunities 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:29.880 that were taken from this year and really focus on that. 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:33.600 And the Jaguars players clearing out their lockers this week 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:35.880 sounding off about what they would like to see in 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:38.760 their new head coach, Christian Kirk always wise pointing out 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:40.559 that there's a lot of other stuff that needs to 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:42.960 change as well as in just a coaching thing. Players 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:44.720 have to get on board as well. But we've now 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:48.040 got eight names coming out, you guys, that were announced 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:51.000 by the team that they want to have an interview 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:53.600 request with them. So I split the list. It's about 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:57.000 half offensive coordinators, half defensive guys or former head coaches. 0:09:57.080 --> 0:10:00.240 So which way do we Is it stylistic? But the 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:02.800 person what kind of goes into this process? Brian, when 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:03.719 you're looking at something like. 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:05.600 Well, I think John and I probably both take the 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:08.160 same approach on this is it doesn't matter to me 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:10.520 whether he's an offensive coach or a defensive coach, or 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:12.719 what scheme he runs. What matters to me is that 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:15.280 he's a head coach, that he's that leader that everyone 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:16.679 will follow, that he has. 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:18.200 The very specific vision. 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:21.200 You know, the Lions are the great example because everyone's 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:24.120 looking at them and what they've done is unbelievable. Turning 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:26.800 that thing around. Dan Campbell was the tight ends coach 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:28.800 and assistant head coach in New Orleans. He was not 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.400 a hot name. In fact, when the Lions hired him, 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.800 people were scratching their head, thinking, really, but look at 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:37.000 what he's done. I mean, for all that Ben Johnson 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:38.880 and Aaron Glenn, who are both on that list have 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:40.199 done on their sides of the ball. 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:41.920 The culture change. 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:43.640 Which we all experienced when we were there last summer 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:46.520 and spent the week practicing with them. The culture change 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:50.000 is due to Dan Campbell, and that is very much 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:52.640 a philosophy, a style, more than what side of the 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:53.240 ball he's on. 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:54.480 Yeah, I know. 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:59.000 I did a Jaguars dot Com Head Coach Tracker, which 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:01.439 you can find on Jaguars because that's why it's called 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:06.240 the Jaguars dot Com Head Coach Tracker, And in part 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:09.800 of it, I'm listing offensive rankings and defensive rankings. 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:11.920 To me, those matter not a bit. 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:15.640 It's great that a Ben Johnson, for example, is leading 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:20.440 the Lions offense to these great numbers. Can the guy 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.640 stand in front of the room. Do players when the 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.600 guy stops talking and they go off to themselves, do 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:30.480 they believe in that guy or are they going If 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:34.600 you're going, meh, then you can't win. So I think 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:36.319 we're talking about the same thing. They have to be 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:39.240 able to set the tone, they have to have the 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:42.360 vision for the franchise, and the players have to believe 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:45.360 in the message. And I believe that that guy is 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:49.080 the right guy, and that's. 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:48.920 What most of the players. 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.240 I think we're kind of stumbling around trying to say 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:52.960 they want the right guy and the guy they can 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:55.760 believe in, whether they're an offensive guy defensive guy. The 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:59.600 only caveat to all that is in this day and age, 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:02.720 I do believe there is an advantage if you find 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:08.959 the right offensive guy, then if the no matter who 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:12.560 the coordinator is, the system can stay the same and 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:17.800 the quarterback can have continuity in that system. That's not 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.480 to say you have to have that, but if you 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:22.679 can find that, I think that is an advantage over 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:24.760 a ten year period. But guess what, if you don't 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:27.079 find the right guy right then all that doesn't matter. 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:29.199 When you're searching like the Jaguars have been searching. What's 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:32.360 important to note is that if I'm interviewing somebody, I 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:34.520 want to know who are going to bring on your staff? 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:34.880 Right. 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:38.840 I didn't realize this, but Ben Johnson did not go 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:41.960 as the offensive coordinator to Detroit. He went from Miami, 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:43.760 where he was a receiver's coach, to be a receivers 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:47.520 coach in Detroit, and they fired Anthony Lynn, who was 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:51.199 here's one point, as the running backs coach, and they 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:54.160 identified him as a talent, good coach, and then of 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.640 course gave him the opportunity and he grew. 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:59.480 So I want to know who are you bringing with you? 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:04.120 Who are the exciting, dynamic, talented coaches that you will 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:06.240 attract to come be part of your staff. 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:09.079 I think we might recognize one of them, considering in 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:11.440 quarterbacks coach in Detroit. I'm sure he wouldn't mind coming 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:12.240 back to Jacksonville. 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:13.360 You're talking about Mark Renold. 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:14.520 Oh maybe that guy? 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:17.640 Yeah, And Mark's at that stage. He's been a quarterbacks 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:20.920 coach for a couple of years. You know, he's at 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:23.599 that point where next job as a coordinator. 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:25.480 I could see Mark as a head coach some day. 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:30.440 So he's been a head coach before at a tech. 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:35.240 It's it's just it's it's interesting this process and how 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:40.320 long and detailed it is, and everyone's looking for answers immediately. 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:42.280 But they're gonna go through that list with a fine 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:44.840 tooth calm. I know two of those guys personally because. 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:45.120 They were here. 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:50.280 Robert Sala, who I thought was was going to be 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:52.760 a star with the Jets. I mean, he's such a leader. 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:55.160 It goes to show you the circumstances have something to 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.559 do with it, because he never had the quarterback that 0:13:57.640 --> 0:13:59.559 gave him that opportunity, and when he thought he did 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.760 with Aaron Rogers was hurt in the first series of 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:03.360 his tenure. 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:03.560 There. 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:05.960 Good football coach. 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:09.000 I don't know whether he's seriously in the mix on 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:12.000 this one, but a good coach. And then Todd Munkin, 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:14.679 who you know, left here and went to college football 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:19.800 Oklahoma State, Southern miss and then Georgia and then has 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:22.240 reinvented himself with. 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:26.760 You know, maybe the MVP in Baltimore. 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.080 And again a guy who's been in front of the 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:32.800 room before and is a really solid human being, a 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:34.200 kind of guy that people will trust. 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:37.040 So I liked seeing both of those names. 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:39.640 On there named a former head coach, named coordinator, a 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:41.800 first time offensive coordinator and Ben Johnson, that's a hot 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:45.200 name out there. Is there a preference of having experience 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:47.240 already as a head coach? Obviously we've seen both here. 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.320 Obviously Erin Meyer comes in to get Doug who's already 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:50.800 been there, done that, been around for a long time. 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:53.040 Does that matter or is it mostly what you can 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:54.160 bring and what your plan is? 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:58.360 Yeah, if you know that these are all great questions. 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:02.080 If you're the right guy, then at some point you 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:04.600 have to you know, just because you haven't done it 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:06.040 doesn't mean you can't go do it. 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:07.280 You can't never done it. 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:13.960 So I do think there is a appeal to having 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:16.960 a guy who's the adult in the room, which Todd 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:21.000 Mounkin unfortunately Brian. I think he's the only one even 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:26.160 close to our age. So and I think there's an 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:29.560 appeal to that because you've seen it before and there 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:31.640 are challenges a head coach. Any head coach will tell 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:33.800 you the first time they figure it out, it's like, oh, 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:36.560 this is not the jobs I've had before. This is 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:40.080 every day there's somebody in my office with a problem. 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:45.880 But my guess is it will be a younger guy 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:49.920 because that feels like the trend and the quarterback connection. 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:52.560 I just have to believe that there will be a 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:57.920 quarterback connection and it feels like a coordinator type deal 0:15:58.360 --> 0:15:59.000 is going to happen. 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:02.640 Both of of the guys in Detroit interest me because 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:05.160 they will have been shaped by the circumstances. They will 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:08.440 have seen a rough start. I think Dan Camill went 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:11.240 o to eight to get started. Yeah, and they will 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:13.160 have seen a franchise that was used to they had 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:17.040 a losing culture be transformed into a juggernaut. I mean, 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:20.600 what they've got going there is incredible. So either of 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:23.240 those two guys and Aaron Glenn doesn't get the same 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:28.720 attention because that offense is just exploding. But you hear 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:31.360 the guys who work around Aaron Glenn and you think, 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:33.320 and Aaron's a guy that was here in two thousand 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:35.200 and seven. He was a part of that really good 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:38.800 defense that helped power the Jaguars to the divisional round 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:42.080 of the playoffs that year. And Jeff Loginman knows him 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:45.160 very well, A really an excellent football player, and I 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:48.600 told him excellent tactician and coach and a guy who 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:50.760 sure seems to have the personality to get up in 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:51.360 front of the room. 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:53.520 So I mean he's a feeling, Yeah, he's appealing. 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:58.960 He's a strong personality, Yeah, strong personality and has been 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:02.359 around a bit, so that would not be. 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:05.840 There would be a lot to like if that's the direction. 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:06.120 Yeah. 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:08.440 I mean, I think both coordinators in Detroit deserve the 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:11.080 kind of attention and the star next to their name 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:14.520 because of what they have been shaped by and the 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:16.520 way that they have grown both sides of the ball. 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:18.600 I think Glenn impressive as of late as well. What 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:20.560 he's been able to do with the injuries on defense, 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:22.119 and then for them to have that game against the 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:24.879 Vikings in the season. I mean, just that alone is 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:28.240 impressive to be able to have that many players behind 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:29.920 and come up and still play that well. 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:32.680 Well, when you lose a player like Aiden Hutchinson and 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:35.439 you don't make that, they trade for Zadaria Smith and 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:37.080 you bring him in, and I mean right away he 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:39.679 has an impact and that doesn't always happen, so I 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:43.399 mean he's obviously a guy who strategically gets it. 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:46.920 Just one more comment. We're looking at some of these 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:49.199 offensive coordinators that we want to come in, and just 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:51.680 because it's been a controversy in the past about play calling, 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:54.080 if you were making the decision and you were hiring 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:56.280 one of these offensive guys, would you want them to 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:57.919 be the primary play caller. 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:06.520 Maybe, But again the whole play calling thing. 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:13.240 That has to be the quarter the head coach's choice, 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:17.640 and it depends on how he feels about that system. 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:22.720 So sure, but again I don't get into the whole 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:25.160 play calling thing. This last year, I still. 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:25.959 Think it was overblown. 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:30.360 That guy has to be the direction of the offense, 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:33.439 and whatever coordinator you're gonna have. He's going to be 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:35.560 the I mean, whatever coach, he's going to be the 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:39.800 spirit of the offense. How he handles the mechanism, I 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:40.760 think you gotta leave up to him. 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:41.760 They all have such a influence. 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:44.960 I mean, I always thought that the Press Taylor Doug 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:47.919 Peterson stuff was overblown because Press wasn't gonna do what 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:49.639 Doug didn't want him to do with his offense, and 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:51.320 Doug didn't spend any time on defense. 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:52.720 Doug was in the offensive. 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:53.880 They were in lockstep. 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:54.680 They were in lockstown. 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:57.480 The new guy will be in lockstep if he's an 0:18:57.520 --> 0:19:02.240 offensive coach. If it's been uh Van Johnson and Mark's 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:04.520 the coordinator, for example, I don't know that'll be. Then 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:08.520 Ben will probably call the plays with Mark or vice versa. 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:11.080 But they'll be in each other's headset. They'll be on 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:14.840 each other's desks all week, right, So it'll be sort 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:18.560 of the same dynamic, except whatever it is, well probably. 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:20.160 Made clearer than it was in twenty twenty four. 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:22.399 And it's worth pointing out in the Great Era of 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:25.800