Speaker 1: Welcome to Jagsam. I'm Pennanni Stevens, Brian Sexton, John Oser
Speaker 1: with me our final jags Am of the regular season.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk things out. There's a coaching search coming
Speaker 1: up and a lot going on in the off season.
Speaker 1: So big thing number one and so it begins. Doug
Speaker 1: Peterson released of his duties as head coach, so that
Speaker 1: means being now looking for a new head coach and
Speaker 1: leader of this team. Treen Balki says, the search is
Speaker 1: going to start right away.
Speaker 2: I think you think the short answer to that is yes.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're gonna move quickly to get some people
Speaker 2: lined up to talk to How long that process takes.
Speaker 2: I think Sean mentioned it's going to take as long
Speaker 2: as it takes to identify the right individual. And is
Speaker 2: that one interview? Is that two interviews? I think you
Speaker 2: know we're going to do our due diligence and be
Speaker 2: very thorough in this process.
Speaker 1: Brian, we already know eight people that they're bringing in
Speaker 1: for interview or they've requested interviews that I should say,
Speaker 1: but talk us through this timeline a little bit because
Speaker 1: it is different to seear than we see.
Speaker 3: In the past.
Speaker 4: Well, I think that this process is going to be
Speaker 4: slower than people have imagined because the league is intentionally
Speaker 4: trying to push back the hiring date. They're trying to
Speaker 4: be more inclusive and have more potential candidates. Obviously, that's
Speaker 4: been something they've been working at for quite a lot
Speaker 4: of time. Guy, And you can't do an in person
Speaker 4: interview with someone who's under contract until after the divisional rounds,
Speaker 4: so not at next week, but the week after next week.
Speaker 5: Is the first week that you can do in person interviews.
Speaker 5: So everything is going to be virtual.
Speaker 4: I think the window is Wednesday, Thursday through Sunday this week,
Speaker 4: and then it tightens down a little bit, so a
Speaker 4: lot of teams are scrambling to get this first round
Speaker 4: of virtual interviews in before that deadline hits. John, this
Speaker 4: is a process that looks like it might take all
Speaker 4: the way up till Super Bowl for most of these twas,
Speaker 4: So that's kind of the way the league is setting
Speaker 4: it up well.
Speaker 6: I think people who followed the last Jaguars coaching search
Speaker 6: sort of have a feel for the pace. Doug Peterson interviewed.
Speaker 6: I forget the exact timeline, but it was a long time.
Speaker 6: A month between first interview and actual hiring. So the
Speaker 6: league has tried to do that with the idea of
Speaker 6: being to allow the divisional round coaches Championship game coach
Speaker 6: is a legitimate a legitimate chance to be in the mix,
Speaker 6: and frankly, it's worked. The process has slowed. Five or
Speaker 6: six years ago, it felt like the high you could
Speaker 6: interview a head coach and there'd be guys announced like
Speaker 6: next week. I don't anticipate that, and that's good because
Speaker 6: it does allow teams to take their time and try
Speaker 6: to find the right guy. And Brian, that's the most
Speaker 6: important thing is finding the right guy, not the first guy.
Speaker 4: I think so, And there is also the possibility that
Speaker 4: names can be added to that list of eight. Someone
Speaker 4: along the way comes to mind, someone that you maybe
Speaker 4: not have heard a lot about, or that isn't in
Speaker 4: the pup guy as much. And we'll both say this, John,
Speaker 4: it's about finding the right guy and if that takes
Speaker 4: thirty days, she'll be it. But I don't think the
Speaker 4: Jaguars will behind the curve at all because every team
Speaker 4: is following these new guidelines.
Speaker 1: They are, which leads into our second big thing, which
Speaker 1: is top spot. There's six openings right now for head
Speaker 1: coaches around the NFL, and obviously we know what the
Speaker 1: Jaguars have going on in their division and what's been there. John,
Speaker 1: How appealing is this opening compared to some of the
Speaker 1: other ones.
Speaker 6: Well, I think it's appealing in the sense that you
Speaker 6: have an owner who supports, You have an owner who
Speaker 6: doesn't meddle.
Speaker 2: You have.
Speaker 6: An owner who will clearly spend whatever it takes. You've
Speaker 6: got Florida, you have this building we're sitting in the MEC.
Speaker 6: I said yesterday and I'll continue saying it. I think
Speaker 6: the job is as appealing as the candidate likes Trevor Lawrence,
Speaker 6: and I think most candidates will like that very much.
Speaker 6: You have a young quarterback. He's been injured, but you know,
Speaker 6: before that injury in twenty three playing at a high level.
Speaker 6: If he scratched the surface, there's something there. Brian, I
Speaker 6: think if you're a Trevor Lawrence guy, it's the best job.
Speaker 6: I don't know how all eight of these guys feel
Speaker 6: about that, and I think that'll determine what people think
Speaker 6: about the job.
Speaker 4: Well, we've talked a lot about you know, what the
Speaker 4: Jaguars had to offer the quarterback, the salary cap, the
Speaker 4: twenty draft picks in the next two years, sparkling new facilities,
Speaker 4: an owner that won't meddle and will spend. But when
Speaker 4: you look at the other jobs open compared to this one,
Speaker 4: you see that the Jets don't have a quarterback, and
Speaker 4: by the way, they don't have a quarterback. Neither do
Speaker 4: the Raiders. This is not a good year to need
Speaker 4: a quarterback. And so when you look at the quarterback issue,
Speaker 4: it's front and center number one. If you believe that
Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence has good football in front of him, all
Speaker 4: the other reasons that I mentioned, and then what John
Speaker 4: talked about the quarterback make this his appealing a job
Speaker 4: as possible. I mean, you can look at all the
Speaker 4: other circumstances and situations, whether it's the Bears and playing
Speaker 4: in that hyper competitive NFC North Division or the Saints
Speaker 4: who have a salary cap disaster sitting in front of them,
Speaker 4: this job is as attractive as any.
Speaker 1: All Right, Our final big thing is going to be
Speaker 1: EVP That was mentioned during the Executive vice president that
Speaker 1: was mentioned during the media availability with Shadkhan and Trent
Speaker 1: bal Key, and Shad con was asked whether he'd consider
Speaker 1: hiring also an executive vice president.
Speaker 7: You know, it's got to be the right person, Okay,
Speaker 7: and it's got to be And frankly, I mean we
Speaker 7: need to add some people. I mean we're lean, but
Speaker 7: you know, if you look at again on you know,
Speaker 7: the football side, I mean we've added people, We've changed
Speaker 7: some people, and if we find the right person.
Speaker 1: Definitely, Ryan, how promising is this is real possibility to
Speaker 1: kind of get someone else in there to help make
Speaker 1: some of these decisions.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, to me, it's very promising because I
Speaker 4: want Tony BISSELLI right. I know that that's a name
Speaker 4: that's been bantered about. And listen, it worked for the
Speaker 4: Ravens with Ozzie Newsom, It's worked for the Broncos with
Speaker 4: John Elway. It has worked with John Lynch in that
Speaker 4: role in San Francisco where that person who represents but
Speaker 4: Lynch doesn't represent the Niners like Tony would represent the Jaguars.
Speaker 4: But I think he would be a really good person
Speaker 4: to put into that role. And I think it's something
Speaker 4: that he would excel at. And so if the possibility
Speaker 4: exists that Tony can come in in a role that
Speaker 4: has an impact on improving the football operation. And more
Speaker 4: importantly than that, John setting the Jaguar away. I mean,
Speaker 4: we hear about how the Steelers do it, and how
Speaker 4: the Patriots do it, and how these championship franchises do it.
Speaker 4: We don't have that here in Jacksonville right now. I
Speaker 4: think Tony Biselli would be a good person to be
Speaker 4: able to institute that because he was here during the
Speaker 4: Golden era. He has the yellow jacket, the gold jacket
Speaker 4: that signifies his level of excellence as a player, and
Speaker 4: he's around the National Football League, and he cares. He
Speaker 4: cares a lot. In fact, I would suggest that there
Speaker 4: isn't anybody that Shod could hire that would care about
Speaker 4: the franchise and guard it as much as he would
Speaker 4: other than Tony Boselli.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Tony be a home run.
Speaker 6: I answer your question Kai, how big of a possibility
Speaker 6: is that? I don't think Shod would have mentioned it
Speaker 6: Monday if he wasn't thinking about it. If you recall
Speaker 6: Shod in the interview process when he hired Tom Coffin
Speaker 6: for this. When he goes into this interview process, he
Speaker 6: often is trying to figure out.
Speaker 3: What will work the best.
Speaker 6: He's often listening to candidates and trying to figure out, Okay,
Speaker 6: with the people available, how can I make this work.
Speaker 6: He's an engineer member, so he likes to figure out
Speaker 6: the system that will work. So I think the fact
Speaker 6: that he's talking about it Monday saying if he finds
Speaker 6: the right person, I think Tony's the right person. I
Speaker 6: don't know how Shod feels about that because he doesn't
Speaker 6: really talk talk about that sort of thing, but uh,
Speaker 6: I do think it's an absolute possibility. Uh, because it
Speaker 6: was mentioned on Monday in a prominent situation.
Speaker 1: We'll keep an eye on it throughout the coming weeks
Speaker 1: as well as through this coaching search. So we have
Speaker 1: eight names of people that are they are hoping to
Speaker 1: come in. We're gonna talk about them coming up after
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Speaker 8: I don't really know.
Speaker 9: I know we're a young team, you know, so I
Speaker 9: would definitely love to have some one, you know, kind
Speaker 9: of relatable to us, you know, in a sense, you know,
Speaker 9: somebody with some passion. I love for somebody with some
Speaker 9: passion and somebody just showing them about what we got
Speaker 9: going on here.
Speaker 10: Just somebody wants to win. Just somebody wants to be
Speaker 10: around a guys, somebody who's who's eat it fired up,
Speaker 10: uh with the opportunity to uh just help us uh
Speaker 10: go and ultimately win the Super Bowl when I first
Speaker 10: to go here and uh that's what we all want
Speaker 10: and uh for somebody want somewhere.
Speaker 11: I think that's a tough question to answer right now.
Speaker 11: I just think obviously we're all processing the end of
Speaker 11: the season. We're all reflecting on just us ourselves individually
Speaker 11: and as a team, because like I said, we all
Speaker 11: had a hand in this. So I think the important
Speaker 11: thing right now is to just reflect personally on where
Speaker 11: you can do better going forward, all the learning opportunities
Speaker 11: that were taken from this year and really focus on that.
Speaker 1: And the Jaguars players clearing out their lockers this week
Speaker 1: sounding off about what they would like to see in
Speaker 1: their new head coach, Christian Kirk always wise pointing out
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of other stuff that needs to
Speaker 1: change as well as in just a coaching thing. Players
Speaker 1: have to get on board as well. But we've now
Speaker 1: got eight names coming out, you guys, that were announced
Speaker 1: by the team that they want to have an interview
Speaker 1: request with them. So I split the list. It's about
Speaker 1: half offensive coordinators, half defensive guys or former head coaches.
Speaker 1: So which way do we Is it stylistic? But the
Speaker 1: person what kind of goes into this process? Brian, when
Speaker 1: you're looking at something like.
Speaker 4: Well, I think John and I probably both take the
Speaker 4: same approach on this is it doesn't matter to me
Speaker 4: whether he's an offensive coach or a defensive coach, or
Speaker 4: what scheme he runs. What matters to me is that
Speaker 4: he's a head coach, that he's that leader that everyone
Speaker 4: will follow, that he has.
Speaker 5: The very specific vision.
Speaker 4: You know, the Lions are the great example because everyone's
Speaker 4: looking at them and what they've done is unbelievable. Turning
Speaker 4: that thing around. Dan Campbell was the tight ends coach
Speaker 4: and assistant head coach in New Orleans. He was not
Speaker 4: a hot name. In fact, when the Lions hired him,
Speaker 4: people were scratching their head, thinking, really, but look at
Speaker 4: what he's done. I mean, for all that Ben Johnson
Speaker 4: and Aaron Glenn, who are both on that list have
Speaker 4: done on their sides of the ball.
Speaker 5: The culture change.
Speaker 4: Which we all experienced when we were there last summer
Speaker 4: and spent the week practicing with them. The culture change
Speaker 4: is due to Dan Campbell, and that is very much
Speaker 4: a philosophy, a style, more than what side of the
Speaker 4: ball he's on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 6: I did a Jaguars dot Com Head Coach Tracker, which
Speaker 6: you can find on Jaguars because that's why it's called
Speaker 6: the Jaguars dot Com Head Coach Tracker, And in part
Speaker 6: of it, I'm listing offensive rankings and defensive rankings.
Speaker 3: To me, those matter not a bit.
Speaker 6: It's great that a Ben Johnson, for example, is leading
Speaker 6: the Lions offense to these great numbers. Can the guy
Speaker 6: stand in front of the room. Do players when the
Speaker 6: guy stops talking and they go off to themselves, do
Speaker 6: they believe in that guy or are they going If
Speaker 6: you're going, meh, then you can't win. So I think
Speaker 6: we're talking about the same thing. They have to be
Speaker 6: able to set the tone, they have to have the
Speaker 6: vision for the franchise, and the players have to believe
Speaker 6: in the message. And I believe that that guy is
Speaker 6: the right guy, and that's.
Speaker 3: What most of the players.
Speaker 6: I think we're kind of stumbling around trying to say
Speaker 6: they want the right guy and the guy they can
Speaker 6: believe in, whether they're an offensive guy defensive guy. The
Speaker 6: only caveat to all that is in this day and age,
Speaker 6: I do believe there is an advantage if you find
Speaker 6: the right offensive guy, then if the no matter who
Speaker 6: the coordinator is, the system can stay the same and
Speaker 6: the quarterback can have continuity in that system. That's not
Speaker 6: to say you have to have that, but if you
Speaker 6: can find that, I think that is an advantage over
Speaker 6: a ten year period. But guess what, if you don't
Speaker 6: find the right guy right then all that doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: When you're searching like the Jaguars have been searching. What's
Speaker 4: important to note is that if I'm interviewing somebody, I
Speaker 4: want to know who are going to bring on your staff?
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: I didn't realize this, but Ben Johnson did not go
Speaker 4: as the offensive coordinator to Detroit. He went from Miami,
Speaker 4: where he was a receiver's coach, to be a receivers
Speaker 4: coach in Detroit, and they fired Anthony Lynn, who was
Speaker 4: here's one point, as the running backs coach, and they
Speaker 4: identified him as a talent, good coach, and then of
Speaker 4: course gave him the opportunity and he grew.
Speaker 5: So I want to know who are you bringing with you?
Speaker 4: Who are the exciting, dynamic, talented coaches that you will
Speaker 4: attract to come be part of your staff.
Speaker 1: I think we might recognize one of them, considering in
Speaker 1: quarterbacks coach in Detroit. I'm sure he wouldn't mind coming
Speaker 1: back to Jacksonville.
Speaker 5: You're talking about Mark Renold.
Speaker 3: Oh maybe that guy?
Speaker 6: Yeah, And Mark's at that stage. He's been a quarterbacks
Speaker 6: coach for a couple of years. You know, he's at
Speaker 6: that point where next job as a coordinator.
Speaker 3: I could see Mark as a head coach some day.
Speaker 5: So he's been a head coach before at a tech.
Speaker 4: It's it's just it's it's interesting this process and how
Speaker 4: long and detailed it is, and everyone's looking for answers immediately.
Speaker 4: But they're gonna go through that list with a fine
Speaker 4: tooth calm. I know two of those guys personally because.
Speaker 5: They were here.
Speaker 4: Robert Sala, who I thought was was going to be
Speaker 4: a star with the Jets. I mean, he's such a leader.
Speaker 4: It goes to show you the circumstances have something to
Speaker 4: do with it, because he never had the quarterback that
Speaker 4: gave him that opportunity, and when he thought he did
Speaker 4: with Aaron Rogers was hurt in the first series of
Speaker 4: his tenure.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 5: Good football coach.
Speaker 4: I don't know whether he's seriously in the mix on
Speaker 4: this one, but a good coach. And then Todd Munkin,
Speaker 4: who you know, left here and went to college football
Speaker 4: Oklahoma State, Southern miss and then Georgia and then has
Speaker 4: reinvented himself with.
Speaker 5: You know, maybe the MVP in Baltimore.
Speaker 4: And again a guy who's been in front of the
Speaker 4: room before and is a really solid human being, a
Speaker 4: kind of guy that people will trust.
Speaker 5: So I liked seeing both of those names.
Speaker 1: On there named a former head coach, named coordinator, a
Speaker 1: first time offensive coordinator and Ben Johnson, that's a hot
Speaker 1: name out there. Is there a preference of having experience
Speaker 1: already as a head coach? Obviously we've seen both here.
Speaker 1: Obviously Erin Meyer comes in to get Doug who's already
Speaker 1: been there, done that, been around for a long time.
Speaker 1: Does that matter or is it mostly what you can
Speaker 1: bring and what your plan is?
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you know that these are all great questions.
Speaker 6: If you're the right guy, then at some point you
Speaker 6: have to you know, just because you haven't done it
Speaker 6: doesn't mean you can't go do it.
Speaker 5: You can't never done it.
Speaker 6: So I do think there is a appeal to having
Speaker 6: a guy who's the adult in the room, which Todd
Speaker 6: Mounkin unfortunately Brian. I think he's the only one even
Speaker 6: close to our age. So and I think there's an
Speaker 6: appeal to that because you've seen it before and there
Speaker 6: are challenges a head coach. Any head coach will tell
Speaker 6: you the first time they figure it out, it's like, oh,
Speaker 6: this is not the jobs I've had before. This is
Speaker 6: every day there's somebody in my office with a problem.
Speaker 6: But my guess is it will be a younger guy
Speaker 6: because that feels like the trend and the quarterback connection.
Speaker 6: I just have to believe that there will be a
Speaker 6: quarterback connection and it feels like a coordinator type deal
Speaker 6: is going to happen.
Speaker 4: Both of of the guys in Detroit interest me because
Speaker 4: they will have been shaped by the circumstances. They will
Speaker 4: have seen a rough start. I think Dan Camill went
Speaker 4: o to eight to get started. Yeah, and they will
Speaker 4: have seen a franchise that was used to they had
Speaker 4: a losing culture be transformed into a juggernaut. I mean,
Speaker 4: what they've got going there is incredible. So either of
Speaker 4: those two guys and Aaron Glenn doesn't get the same
Speaker 4: attention because that offense is just exploding. But you hear
Speaker 4: the guys who work around Aaron Glenn and you think,
Speaker 4: and Aaron's a guy that was here in two thousand
Speaker 4: and seven. He was a part of that really good
Speaker 4: defense that helped power the Jaguars to the divisional round
Speaker 4: of the playoffs that year. And Jeff Loginman knows him
Speaker 4: very well, A really an excellent football player, and I
Speaker 4: told him excellent tactician and coach and a guy who
Speaker 4: sure seems to have the personality to get up in
Speaker 4: front of the room.
Speaker 5: So I mean he's a feeling, Yeah, he's appealing.
Speaker 6: He's a strong personality, Yeah, strong personality and has been
Speaker 6: around a bit, so that would not be.
Speaker 3: There would be a lot to like if that's the direction.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think both coordinators in Detroit deserve the
Speaker 4: kind of attention and the star next to their name
Speaker 4: because of what they have been shaped by and the
Speaker 4: way that they have grown both sides of the ball.
Speaker 1: I think Glenn impressive as of late as well. What
Speaker 1: he's been able to do with the injuries on defense,
Speaker 1: and then for them to have that game against the
Speaker 1: Vikings in the season. I mean, just that alone is
Speaker 1: impressive to be able to have that many players behind
Speaker 1: and come up and still play that well.
Speaker 4: Well, when you lose a player like Aiden Hutchinson and
Speaker 4: you don't make that, they trade for Zadaria Smith and
Speaker 4: you bring him in, and I mean right away he
Speaker 4: has an impact and that doesn't always happen, so I
Speaker 4: mean he's obviously a guy who strategically gets it.
Speaker 1: Just one more comment. We're looking at some of these
Speaker 1: offensive coordinators that we want to come in, and just
Speaker 1: because it's been a controversy in the past about play calling,
Speaker 1: if you were making the decision and you were hiring
Speaker 1: one of these offensive guys, would you want them to
Speaker 1: be the primary play caller.
Speaker 3: Maybe, But again the whole play calling thing.
Speaker 6: That has to be the quarter the head coach's choice,
Speaker 6: and it depends on how he feels about that system.
Speaker 6: So sure, but again I don't get into the whole
Speaker 6: play calling thing. This last year, I still.
Speaker 3: Think it was overblown.
Speaker 6: That guy has to be the direction of the offense,
Speaker 6: and whatever coordinator you're gonna have. He's going to be
Speaker 6: the I mean, whatever coach, he's going to be the
Speaker 6: spirit of the offense. How he handles the mechanism, I
Speaker 6: think you gotta leave up to him.
Speaker 5: They all have such a influence.
Speaker 4: I mean, I always thought that the Press Taylor Doug
Speaker 4: Peterson stuff was overblown because Press wasn't gonna do what
Speaker 4: Doug didn't want him to do with his offense, and
Speaker 4: Doug didn't spend any time on defense.
Speaker 5: Doug was in the offensive.
Speaker 3: They were in lockstep.
Speaker 5: They were in lockstown.
Speaker 6: The new guy will be in lockstep if he's an
Speaker 6: offensive coach. If it's been uh Van Johnson and Mark's
Speaker 6: the coordinator, for example, I don't know that'll be. Then
Speaker 6: Ben will probably call the plays with Mark or vice versa.
Speaker 6: But they'll be in each other's headset. They'll be on
Speaker 6: each other's desks all week, right, So it'll be sort
Speaker 6: of the same dynamic, except whatever it is, well probably.
Speaker 3: Made clearer than it was in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4: And it's worth pointing out in the Great Era of
Speaker 4: the Jaguars, where Tom Coughlin was the head coach and
Speaker 4: he had Mark Brunell and Jimmy Smith and Fred Taylor,
Speaker 4: and I mean they were loaded.
Speaker 5: Tom didn't called places right.
Speaker 4: He had a heavy hand in what went on, but
Speaker 4: he had, you know, Kevin Gilbride or Chris Palmer. I mean,
Speaker 4: he had those guys who ran the offense for him.
Speaker 4: Because he wanted to focus on being the head coach.
Speaker 4: He wanted to be engaged on the sideline in the
Speaker 4: entire game and not over talking to the quarterback or
Speaker 4: the offensive line. Now he'd go do that, but for
Speaker 4: a head coach, you've got to be engaged with the
Speaker 4: team on the field and the officials and the clock.
Speaker 4: And I think, think I want my head coach to
Speaker 4: bring in an offensive coordinator who is strong enough that
Speaker 4: he's confident enough in that he can say, this is
Speaker 4: what we're gonna do, and then he goes and does
Speaker 4: what a head coach does, trust him to execute.
Speaker 3: Very good.
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Speaker 7: Think so, I mean, if our defense would improve, you know,
Speaker 7: get to the middle of the pact. But we were
Speaker 7: watch to intend this year. I mean, how many of
Speaker 7: those games you know we could win? And I think
Speaker 7: the schemes on offense just being less predictable. I think,
Speaker 7: you know, we could be more productive on offense, and
Speaker 7: we have the ability through the draft coming up and
Speaker 7: salary cap to be able to you know, use that
Speaker 7: to get more specific players we were seeking. So I mean,
Speaker 7: I expect this, you know, for us to have success
Speaker 7: very quickly.
Speaker 1: This oh this, oh hey, a little this or that
Speaker 1: shot kind expecting a quick turnaround here, but we got
Speaker 1: to figure out exactly what went wrong. Obviously there's going
Speaker 1: to be a new head coach, new leader in charge,
Speaker 1: but some of the players weighed in earlier this week
Speaker 1: about some issues that they saw throughout the season.
Speaker 12: I don't think we had enough synergy as a group.
Speaker 12: I think there were times where certain guys are playing
Speaker 12: their butt off, and as a group, we didn't all
Speaker 12: show up at the same time. That's kind of what
Speaker 12: it felt like. It was like trying to cover for
Speaker 12: one guy not doing his job and then he gets
Speaker 12: out of position and that kind of was like this
Speaker 12: went down to.
Speaker 8: Total Bowl for us, it's this we have to learn
Speaker 8: how to win and learn how to take winning. Like
Speaker 8: obviously we know how to win games, but when it
Speaker 8: comes to being consistent with winning in the NFL, you
Speaker 8: have to bring it week in and week out, and
Speaker 8: sometimes it's just certain sacrifice that certain players or individuals
Speaker 8: how to make.
Speaker 1: Similar things are seen throughout miss assignments, you know, putting
Speaker 1: in that effort, getting that full buy in.
Speaker 3: Jon. This is stuff we've been talking about.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's something a coach needs to put into place,
Speaker 1: but players have to buy in as well. So is
Speaker 1: there plenty of blame to go around? Is it one
Speaker 1: more than the other?
Speaker 6: With that, I think it's plenty of blame to go around,
Speaker 6: and you know, I think the coach is responsible for it,
Speaker 6: But I said all season, I think the players still
Speaker 6: have to be a group that takes it by the
Speaker 6: you know, the horns if you will, and decides they're
Speaker 6: not going to lose. And I still think that there
Speaker 6: has to be an element of that and to rally
Speaker 6: around the coach. But I think there are they need
Speaker 6: more key veteran players who are ready to be that guy.
Speaker 4: I've heard culture defined by coaches as what you expect
Speaker 4: and what you accept, right, and the expectation level has
Speaker 4: to be set, and then you have to vigorously guard
Speaker 4: that and it's the players that really guard it.
Speaker 5: They have to buy in.
Speaker 4: As you heard Treyvon Lawrence say, Treyvon Lawrence, Trevon Walker
Speaker 4: say this week, you have to have the players that
Speaker 4: will hold the standard that the coach sets. And again
Speaker 4: I go back to what Dan Campbell talked about, and
Speaker 4: there are many NFL films clips of him talking about
Speaker 4: guys that belong in their locker room and guys that
Speaker 4: belong as part of that process of what they were
Speaker 4: doing in Detroit, and then all those players held everyone
Speaker 4: to that standard. So that's really what you're looking for,
Speaker 4: is the guy that can come in and set the
Speaker 4: expectations that the players then.
Speaker 5: Will say this is what we expected.
Speaker 3: One another go into the season.
Speaker 1: We're obviously going to see some player changes as well,
Speaker 1: free agents and pending free agents, and possibly some of
Speaker 1: the higher paid players that are entering the end of
Speaker 1: their contracts, specifically Evan Ingram and Christian Kirk, both of
Speaker 1: them weighing in on whether or not they want to
Speaker 1: be here next year.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I would love to be here, and I mean
Speaker 11: I'm under contract still. Obviously there's other things that I
Speaker 11: can't really control. So I'm just kind of focused on
Speaker 11: being healthy again next next year, being healthy this offseason,
Speaker 11: getting healthy, and just being the best player that I
Speaker 11: can be, because you know, I feel like I've proven
Speaker 11: that when I'm on the field. Uh, you know, I
Speaker 11: am one of those players that is one of the
Speaker 11: better ones on the field. And so I'm just looking
Speaker 11: forward to to getting back to that. And I wanted
Speaker 11: to be here in Jacksonville.
Speaker 13: Like I said, there's a lot of changes that are
Speaker 13: coming when you have seasons like this, So that's up
Speaker 13: to God. I think, uh, you know, I I wanna
Speaker 13: be here. I have a home here, and I think
Speaker 13: this is this is a special place to do something
Speaker 13: great and I wanna continue to grind to do that.
Speaker 13: So but that's all out of my control. And uh,
Speaker 13: like I said, this is unfortunate thing about having a
Speaker 13: season like this. There's gonna be a lot of changes,
Speaker 13: and uh, you never know what side you're gonna be on.
Speaker 13: But definitely, uh, definitely wanna be here, John.
Speaker 1: I think both these guys have been around long enough,
Speaker 1: they know how this kind of works. Is it feasible
Speaker 1: that both of them could be back next year?
Speaker 3: Very doubtful that both of them are back. I hope
Speaker 3: they're both back.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's iffy that either of them are back,
Speaker 6: really be but saying that it's because we don't know
Speaker 6: what the direction of the coach who comes in, how
Speaker 6: that's going to look.
Speaker 3: There's meetings to be had. They will decide that.
Speaker 6: Christian's salary cap number is huge, Evan's salary cap number
Speaker 6: is big compared to Brenton strangers who came in, and
Speaker 6: I don't know, I don't know that there's.
Speaker 3: A emission of a drop off. I hope both they're back.
Speaker 6: I'm afraid we're saying goodbye to at least one really
Speaker 6: good guy.
Speaker 4: They're total pros the way that they handle themselves on
Speaker 4: the field and in the locker room. Christians to the
Speaker 4: expensive point of his career. Right when you sign a
Speaker 4: free agent, generally you're looking at a three year deal here,
Speaker 4: no matter what the fourth does. But they're getting to,
Speaker 4: you know, twenty four million dollars and he's a nine
Speaker 4: million dollar savings and Kai there's not just gonna be
Speaker 4: a chain the coaching suite. There's a change on the field.
Speaker 4: There's a new number one. There's a new sheriff in
Speaker 4: town and his number is number seven, and Brian Thomas
Speaker 4: Junior has got to become the focal point of the offense.
Speaker 4: Evan is a nineteen million dollar cap with about thirteen
Speaker 4: million in dead money, so he's about six million in savings.
Speaker 4: So you have to decide, you know, the offense how
Speaker 4: it's going to run. But everybody has to understand that
Speaker 4: the ball is going through seven now, not through Christian,
Speaker 4: not through Evan.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be some difficult decisions to be made that
Speaker 1: will monitor throughout the off season. So stick with us.
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Speaker 14: I mean, I'm sorry for what I've came out and
Speaker 14: did this season, but I mean it doesn't I mean
Speaker 14: doesn't stop. Now. He's got to keep going keep pushing.
Speaker 14: I mean, like someone I always trying to come in
Speaker 14: and take your spot. So just come in, keep pushing it,
Speaker 14: and keep putting your best before it each and every day.
Speaker 1: Brian Thomas Jr. For sure the bright spot from this season.
Speaker 1: Disappointment elsewhere, but he's been amazing. We do want to
Speaker 1: talk quickly about this coaching search. We will be away
Speaker 1: for about a month, so what's a realistic timeline you
Speaker 1: guys think early February we might know who this might be.
Speaker 6: Could be anywhere from January twentieth ish. Yeah, I'd be
Speaker 6: early to post super Bowl, so you gotta keep.
Speaker 3: The door upen.
Speaker 4: I would think the week of the super Bowl might
Speaker 4: be a good opportunity for them to make that sort.
Speaker 5: Of an announcement.
Speaker 3: Very good.
Speaker 1: We'll be back the week after the super Bowl talking
Speaker 1: about it and whoever the new head coaches. So enjoy
Speaker 1: the off season.