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Speaker 1: Everybody, we have a big announcement, but Josh, I think

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Speaker 2: COURU, there we go. That means it's tour time, everybody.

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Speaker 1: We took off twenty twenty five because it just felt

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Speaker 1: like the right thing to do. But we are hitting

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Speaker 1: the road again next year and we are super excited.

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Speaker 3: Yes get this. So we're gonna start hitting the road

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Speaker 3: in January, starting January twenty seventh at the Paramount Theater

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Speaker 3: in Denver. The next day we'll be at the Paramount

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Speaker 3: Theater in Seattle, and on January twenty ninth, we'll be

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Speaker 3: back to our beloved Sketch Fest at the Sydney Goldstein

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Speaker 3: Theater in San Francisco, CA.

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's our January run.

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Speaker 1: And then in April we're going to hit the Midwest

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Speaker 1: and we're going to some cities we haven't been to yet.

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Speaker 2: And I'm super excited because on April.

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Speaker 1: Sixteenth, we'll be in Madison, Wisconsin at the Orpheum Theater.

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Speaker 1: On the seventeenth, we'll be back in Chicago at the

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Speaker 1: Chicago Auditorium, a city we love, and then to my

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Speaker 1: wife's some town. Finally, April eighteenth and Akron, Ohio at

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Speaker 1: the Goodyear Theater.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and get this for the January leg. Tickets

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Speaker 3: are on sale now and we're actually running a pre

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Speaker 3: sale today November eighteenth. You can use our code sysk

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Speaker 3: live to get tickets early. Go to stuff youshould Know

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Speaker 3: dot com. It'll have all the tickets and info that

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Speaker 3: you need. And you can buy Sketch Fest tickets right

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Speaker 3: now as well.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Sketch Fest on sale the sixteenth of November.

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Speaker 1: There's no presale on that one. General on sale is

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Speaker 1: happening as we speak.

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Speaker 3: That's right. So we'll see you guys in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: We're really excited to get back out there. We hope

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Speaker 3: you're excited too. If you're not, just bake it when

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Speaker 3: you see us.

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Speaker 1: That's right, and pay attention the Great White North because

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Speaker 1: there is more to come this summer.

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Speaker 3: That's right. So we'll see you soon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 3: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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Speaker 3: Chuck and Jerry's here too, and we're just keeping it

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Speaker 3: old school, real mellow style, which is what I understand.

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Speaker 1: All of the kids say today, that's right, and hey,

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Speaker 1: before we get going, this is probably the perfect episode

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Speaker 1: to mention that our episode on how Vinyl Works that

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Speaker 1: was released on Vinyl is being reprinted because that thing

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Speaker 1: sold out and I think people would love to have

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're releasing it just in time for the holidays.

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Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, it's coming out on Black Friday,

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Speaker 3: November twenty eighth this year, which also happens to be

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Speaker 3: record store Day from what I understand, and our friends

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Speaker 3: at Born Losers Records put this out again. They did

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Speaker 3: the first one, did a magnificent job, of course, and

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Speaker 3: they printed three hundred red and black marble records that

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Speaker 3: are just beautiful. Those are available online at syskvinyl dot com.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then.

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Speaker 3: For the actual store where you have to leave your home,

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Speaker 3: they do it. There might be a chance that they

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Speaker 1: Well, you can bet your boopie I'll be going to

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Speaker 3: That's awesome. You should draw more people by just spending

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Speaker 1: You, oh, yeah, maybe I could work something out with

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Speaker 3: We'll see if we can get a cutout of you too,

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Speaker 2: That's great.

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited this is back out though, because people

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Speaker 2: And what is it again, sysk vinyl dot com.

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Speaker 3: That's right awesome and thanks again to our friends at

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Speaker 3: Born Losers. You guys are great. Yeah, they're the best.

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Speaker 1: like a new disease going around that your kid maybe

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00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: should get vaccinated against, stuff.

441
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 3: Like that new fangled polio.

442
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: But by the end of the nineteen twenties, they were like, hey,

443
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 1: there's a limited bandwidth and people are getting political messages out,

444
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 1: and we need to make sure that everyone in America

445
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 1: is getting sort of equal access to these messages, so

446
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 1: you know, no particular message gets out more than any other.

447
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 1: And that's where the fairness doctrine came about, right.

448
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, we talked about that in the Presidential Debates episode,

449
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 3: but I think it deserves its own episode. It's so contraal,

450
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 3: But basically, the fairness doctrine is what I was talking

451
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 3: about earlier when I said the government wasn't shy about

452
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,719
Speaker 3: getting involved in regulating radio because of what you just said, Like,

453
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 3: you can't just use radio at the time. You couldn't

454
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 3: to just put out one, say, specific political viewpoint. So

455
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 3: the fairness doctrine said, you have to have equal time

456
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 3: when you're talking about political matters, you have to give

457
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 3: equal time to both opposing viewpoints. It also said some

458
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 3: other stuff too that I thought was pretty cool. It

459
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 3: made sure that commercial concerns did not eclipse social ones,

460
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 3: so you couldn't screw over the public for your own

461
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 3: bottom line, which is just refreshing these days. The radio

462
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 3: served the public good and that you have like a

463
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 3: kind of public programming that's essentially like in addition to

464
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 3: all of the you know, ventriloquist acts and soap operas

465
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 3: and all that, you have like stuff that makes people,

466
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 3: helps people be more informed citizens. Like that was what

467
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 3: the government was getting involved in radio for.

468
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe perhaps if we would have been around the time,

469
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 2: it might have been stuff you should know.

470
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 3: I could see that. I could see that, Yeah, we

471
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 3: would have been great for AM radio. I think as

472
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 3: a matter of fact, we should probably just stop podcasting

473
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 3: and start broadcasting on AM radio.

474
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got to get the message of Jackhammer's out

475
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 1: far and wide.

476
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 3: That's right.

477
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,479
Speaker 1: You know, the fairness doctrine went away, and you know,

478
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: like you said, we should do a whole episode on that.

479
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 1: But one of the things that happened was, you know,

480
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: the FM becoming a dominant force and just way more

481
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: choices and way more bandwidth for radio, so they didn't

482
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: need it anymore. So then you know, that's where that's

483
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 1: really literally where the echo chamber of politics started, where

484
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: you could turn into just your person who only talked

485
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: about things that you agreed with.

486
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 2: Yep, and that's it.

487
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 3: Yeah. Not coincidentally, in nineteen eighties is when talk radio

488
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 3: like really started to become a thing with like people

489
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 3: like Rush Limbaugh that did not exist before that kind

490
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 3: of thing.

491
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, FM when that came around, it

492
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: did create that echo chamber, but it was mostly like

493
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: a wealthy, educated crowd that could afford FM receivers. They

494
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: were more expensive, like you were talking about. I think

495
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: there were more than two thousand AM stations on the

496
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: air in the nineteen fifties, some of them would broadcast

497
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 1: on both I definitely remember, you know, both AMFM stations,

498
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: but FM did have some.

499
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 2: And still do have.

500
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: Some sort of things that weren't in their favor, like

501
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: if you were inside a buildings sometimes the AM signal

502
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: could get blocked and get a little more difficult to

503
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: get a lot of AM stations, I think most of

504
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: them in fact, have to either reduce their power or

505
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 1: just go off the air at night, so you know,

506
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: back in the day and maybe still you hear those

507
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: sign offs at the end of the night, which is

508
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: kind of fun where they play like the stars angle

509
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: banner or something.

510
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 2: Then it just goes dead.

511
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, like in Poltergeist.

512
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 2: That's right.

513
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: But another cool thing about AM is if you've ever

514
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: been like driving around out West or something, and you know,

515
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 1: probably not these days, but back when I was taking

516
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: my big out West trips, when all ahead was like

517
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: a cassette player in the radio. Once the sun went down,

518
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: sometimes you could get an AM station on your radio

519
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: that's like four states away because of those bear waves

520
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 1: bouncing off the ion a sphere and saying we'll take

521
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: it from here.

522
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 3: Yeah. During the day, the ionosphere is super ionized. That's

523
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 3: where it gets its name. At night, it's less ionized,

524
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 3: So there's for some reason AM radio signals can bounce

525
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 3: off of it easier and like you said, end up

526
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 3: down in Mexico for goodness.

527
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 2: Sake, Yeah, which is pretty cool.

528
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 3: For that reason though, that's why they stop transmitting at night,

529
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 3: a lot of them. Like I'm with you, I don't

530
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 3: know if they still do or not. It seems like

531
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 3: the kind of thing that maybe was licked, but it

532
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 3: also seems so fundamental that maybe it's still a problem.

533
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 3: But there were some stations that were designated clear channels.

534
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 3: They were allowed to broadcast twenty four hours a day,

535
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 3: and they were spread out both physically around the country

536
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,719
Speaker 3: and in Canada and Mexico, and also spread out on

537
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 3: the dial so that their signals wouldn't interfere with one

538
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 3: another when they traveled really far distances. And one of

539
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 3: the reasons why they had AM stations designated to operate

540
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 3: twenty four hours a day is again part of that

541
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 3: public good, which was a service that AM radio offers

542
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 3: that has kind of overlooked a lot here in the

543
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 3: United States, which is it is like a national security

544
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 3: alert system essentially We'll talk a little more about that later.

545
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 3: But that's why the clear Channel thing is a thing.

546
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: Right, And to be clear, I didn't even mean that,

547
00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: not to be confused with former iHeartMedia company Clear Channel.

548
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 3: No, but I bet that's where they get their name.

549
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: Man, it'd be a real coincidence. Huh.

550
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 3: Wasn't that the name of the city that was built

551
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 3: on rock and roll?

552
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 2: Clear Channel?

553
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 3: Yeah? Clear Channel City.

554
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: I'm not falling for anything you ever say anymore, so

555
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: don't even try.

556
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 2: Should we take another break?

557
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, we'll take another break talk about the

558
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: rise of TV and you know, music on AM radio

559
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: right after this.

560
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 3: Okay, Chuck, we're back. And we talked about how the

561
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 3: Golden Age of radio ended, but that was what the

562
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 3: old stars considered the golden age. If you were young

563
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 3: and hip, the Golden Age was still yet to come.

564
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: That's right.

565
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: I mentioned Top forty was invented on AM and it

566
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: was specifically developed by a station odor named Todd Stores

567
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: in Nebraska at the beginning of the nineteen fifties. I guess,

568
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: and he said, Hey, you know, radio has all these

569
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: great shows. I love those puppets. That ventriloquism is great,

570
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,479
Speaker 1: but we've got rock and roll now and R and

571
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: B and soon you know, pop music coming our way,

572
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: pop and pop music.

573
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,479
Speaker 2: Who was that is that? Falco?

574
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 3: No, I shouldn't have opened my big mouth because I

575
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 3: don't remember I even have that on my phone, so

576
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 3: maybe I'll look sometime soon.

577
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 2: But he said, hey, let's let's start playing this music.

578
00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: Let's create a what Julia calls a jew box driven

579
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: media and you know, play people stuff that. You know,

580
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: DJs became a thing. That's when they became personalities. Each

581
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: station started having you know, these sort of wacky that's

582
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: where those first you know, like the Wolfman and all

583
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: those sort of wacky early DJs came from that were

584
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: like real personalities people would tune into just to listen

585
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: to their specific show.

586
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like each station had to have their own personality,

587
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 3: like the Big Bopper, one of the most famous of

588
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 3: all time. Yeah, he was djaying for a station in Beaumont, Texas.

589
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 3: Like it had like, if you had a station, you

590
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 3: had to have a personality, and some of them just

591
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 3: happened to be so popular that they became international icons essentially.

592
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing.

593
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like the Wolfman went on to own a furniture

594
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 3: store in North Georgia called Gallery Furniture. If you wanted

595
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 3: a waterbed, you would go ask for the Wolfman.

596
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: Boy, that's a niche joke. Should we even explain it

597
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: or not? Okay?

598
00:31:58,440 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: Good?

599
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 3: I think if you go onto utube and you look

600
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 3: up Gallery Frensham the Wolfman, there'll be something on there.

601
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 2: Oh. Sure, but that was a wolf mate, Jack. Are

602
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: you sure you didn't really think it was the same guy,

603
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: did you?

604
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 3: No?

605
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 2: Okay, See, I don't know what to believe anymore.

606
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 3: I'm not trying, you know, I just wanted to come

607
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: clean about this.

608
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: Okay.

609
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 3: I've never tried to fool you. That was a thing

610
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 3: that just kind of evolved. I've just been making dry,

611
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 3: random jokes all this time, but it's never been to

612
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 3: fool you. You took that and ran with it. I've

613
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 3: never done it directly to fool you.

614
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 2: This is not what you said during our therapy session

615
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: last week.

616
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 3: Well, doctor Krantz said.

617
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 2: That, Doctor Katz, that's who we should have gotten.

618
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, doctor Katz said that I needed to make more

619
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 3: stuff up.

620
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: So we're not therapy together. By the way, everybody, that

621
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 2: was a joke. But if we did we'd get the

622
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: guy who therapied Metallica, right.

623
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 3: Oh, I forgot that they were in therapy together. Yeah,

624
00:32:59,040 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 3: I guess it worked.

625
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: I'm not knocking at at all.

626
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: I mean, we haven't had to do it, but I

627
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: think that's a great idea for any kind of partnership.

628
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 3: You know, agreed? Okay, Was that the therapist that talked

629
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 3: Metallica out of their emo phase? Right, because hats off

630
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 3: to that therapist. Maybe we're talking, Oh yeah, we're talking

631
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 3: about what was going on with this transition to music.

632
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

633
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 3: Well, one of the reasons why AM radio transition to

634
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 3: music and away from things like soap operas and all

635
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 3: that stuff was because those things ended up on TV. Yeah,

636
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 3: the older people followed those. Remember, they're like radios the

637
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 3: pits now because the golden there is over And then

638
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 3: they turn on their TVs and they're like, oh, the

639
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 3: golden there is over here. Now, let's just keep going

640
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 3: and watching now instead of just listening. And that left

641
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 3: the kids to fill this vacuum, which was AM radio,

642
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 3: And like you said, the top forty format started there.

643
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 3: The like big internationally known DJs started there, and it

644
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 3: just kind of took off little by little. But really

645
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 3: picked up steam when a few things kind of came

646
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 3: together and one of them you already mentioned, which was

647
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 3: transis to radios, So now you didn't just have to

648
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 3: sit at home with the oldsters to listen to your

649
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 3: favorite hits. And then also AM radio started to show

650
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 3: up in cars essentially as not even an option after

651
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 3: a while, like you got the AM radio whether you

652
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 3: wanted it or not.

653
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think more than half of American cars had

654
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: AM radio receivers factory installed by the nineteen fifties. And

655
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: that was a huge, huge deal obviously, and you know,

656
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: it was the dominant paradigm for music until seventy eight.

657
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: And there was that period from kind of the early

658
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: seventies to the early eighties, little under ten years where

659
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: that you know, sort of yacht rocky am mellow gold

660
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: stuff really really took over. Yeah, you had to kind

661
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: of watch what you put on the radio because FM

662
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 1: was playing you know, they were playing the AOAR album

663
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: oriented rock stuff that had a little more mckismo and

664
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 1: testosterone fuel, like you know rock bands. Big hair, yeah, exactly,

665
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: big hair, long hair, not a mustache in sight unless

666
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: it was part of a beard probably, but wasn't the

667
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 1: case on AM with yacht rock, there were mustachioed dudes,

668
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: generally sensitive guys. The songs weren't about usually like conquering women.

669
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: Most of them were about getting dumped by women. A

670
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: lot of sad sack music coming out, Yeah on AM

671
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: radio in the nineteen seventies.

672
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 2: I still listened to a lot of that stuff.

673
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and a lot of the constraints. I found this

674
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 3: to be true throughout my life. When you put constraints

675
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 3: on something, it automatically fuels creativity because it doesn't mean

676
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 3: you don't still want to get across you know, subversive ideas.

677
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 3: You just have to cloak them within the confines of

678
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 3: these constraints, and it makes you more creative than just

679
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 3: saying the idea out loud, right, which is why album

680
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 3: rockers are typically dumb compared to yacht rockers as far

681
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 3: as the artist go.

682
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, like, if you're a songwriter and you're like,

683
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: I'm a yacht rocker, I'm not going to sing about,

684
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: you know, teenage girls. I'm going to sing about things

685
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: I like, like Penia Kalattison and getting caught in the ring.

686
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 3: Man. That guy, I think he's one of the most

687
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 3: reprehensible songwriters of all time. Not song, not just that song,

688
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 3: the Penia Kalada song. Have you ever heard the song him?

689
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 3: His song Him?

690
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know it by name. What

691
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: I recognize it?

692
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 3: You think, I don't know. It's a it's considered yacht rock,

693
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 3: but it's it's a really despicable song about this this

694
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 3: guy whose girlfriend is sleeping around on him. So he's

695
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 3: got a teacher a lesson to basically bring her back

696
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 3: to heal and how he's not heartbroken or hurt. He's

697
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 3: just mad that this guy. He says, like nobody should

698
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 3: get it for free. Yeah, that's what he's upside. Well,

699
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 3: it's a nutsoe song. Go listen to it. But yeah,

700
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 3: Rupert Holmes, I don't think he'd like him Bodies the seventies,

701
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 3: like the worst part of Men in the seventies, I.

702
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: Think, Yeah, I mean, I really don't like that song

703
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: at all. But I do love most yacht rock. And

704
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: I know we've probably talked about it briefly at some

705
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: point as a recommendation, but the yacht rock documentary that

706
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: came out last year is really really good. Yeah, and

707
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: we do definitely want to say that that term was

708
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: not coined until the two thousands, when a comedy web

709
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: series spoofing the genre made up the nam yacht rock.

710
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: Before that, I think, like you know, Time Life put

711
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: out those the am Gold series of CDs. I think

712
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: am Gold or mellow or easy listening. That sort of

713
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: is what we called it, right, didn't that what you

714
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: called it?

715
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 3: Easy listening? Yeah, that's what I was first introduced to it.

716
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: As our mutual friend Allison who we used to work with.

717
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: My friend Eddie's wife calls it carsick music because it

718
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: just brings back days of like riding backwards in a

719
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: station wagon and being car sick and that stuff just

720
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: droning on and on.

721
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 3: That's a perfect name for it.

722
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good.

723
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 3: But when you know, when you're familiar with the idea

724
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 3: that they had to kind of cloak subversive ideas in

725
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 3: like non obvious terms, right, and you go back and

726
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 3: listen to some of this mellow Gold stuff, it's like,

727
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 3: whoa they were Really it's a little crazier than you thought.

728
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 3: Like for example, love Grows where My Rosemary Goes is

729
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 3: code for let's smoke some DMT. Yeah, that was the

730
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 3: only one I turned up.

731
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: I mean, what do you think Ride Like the Wind

732
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: is about?

733
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 3: Come on, right, that's about DMT as well. Oh wow,

734
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 3: all right, but he's talking about what it's like to

735
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 3: be on DMT, not just inviting you to smoke DMT.

736
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 1: Well, when you know what's funny, I think Christopher Cross

737
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: wrote Ride Like the Wind when he was on LSD.

738
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 3: I believe that.

739
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 2: I think said that in the yacht Rock doc.

740
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 3: Did he really? Yeah, it's a great song.

741
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: It's a great song and has one of the most

742
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: one of the greatest guitar solos because he's a killer

743
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: guitar player. But it's so buried in the mix, and

744
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: there's all kinds of YouTube videos now where they're like, yeah,

745
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 1: let's bring it up in the mix and talk about

746
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: this solo and like how amazing it is.

747
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 3: That's kind of like those videos of Van Halen with

748
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 3: nothing but David Lee Ross's vocals. Have you heard those?

749
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 2: Yeah?

750
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: Those are Those are very funny. And to be clear,

751
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: it's a ripping solo for yacht Rock. It's no so

752
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: it's not like the solo for My Sharona or anything,

753
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: but it's still good.

754
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 3: I don't Yeah, neither of the solos stand out to me.

755
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 3: I can't bring either one to mind.

756
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: Oh man, the My Sharona solo is a top five

757
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: guitar solo of all time for me. And you got

758
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: to listen to the radio version cut out a full minute.

759
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: It's like nineties plus seconds the full version.

760
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:55,720
Speaker 3: Wow.

761
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: And they cut out two thirds of it for the

762
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: radio version. So you got to listen to the real

763
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: full version. It's like it's way better than it should

764
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: be for that song.

765
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 3: That would be the album at it right?

766
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess so it's Kiddler.

767
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 3: Or the twelve inch version.

768
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 2: I don't know about the twelve inch Okay.

769
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 3: Well, regardless, go listen to some Mellow Gold. It'll make

770
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 3: you happy for sure.

771
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: But where are we these days with AM radio?

772
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 3: Well, there's this battle over it, just like absolutely every

773
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 3: single other thing that people more than one person talks

774
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 3: about in America, AM radio's actually managed to become politicized

775
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 3: a bunch of car makers, from what I can tell,

776
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 3: led by Tesla. I think they were the first ones

777
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 3: to announce this back in twenty twenty that they were

778
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 3: going to discontinue AM radios in their cars. Boo yeah.

779
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 3: And I think now you can kind of imagine why

780
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 3: it's a politicized idea, But the ostensible reason is that

781
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 3: the AM stereo is interfered with by the ev long story,

782
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 3: short AM waves are much more susceptible to noise because

783
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 3: of electrical interference. Well, an electrical vehicle is lousy with

784
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 3: electrical interference, And so the whole car industry is like,

785
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 3: we're gonna have to spend a bunch of money just

786
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 3: to keep this AM radio in there. And the US

787
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 3: government is a pretty adamant that AM radio needs to

788
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 3: stick around again, not just for the public good thing,

789
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 3: the nostalgia factor, but also because if you are going

790
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 3: to get an alert that you know the Cubans have invaded,

791
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 3: you're going to probably get that alert over an AM

792
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 3: radio station because that's what the whole system is set

793
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 3: up to do. Not because it's antiquated, but because AM

794
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 3: radio does all sorts of things those they could. The

795
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 3: waves can travel very far, so it reaches a lot

796
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 3: of people. Rural people listen to AM radio still today,

797
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 3: like it's just part of rural life. So it's everybody

798
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 3: is reached by AM one way or another. And I

799
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 3: didn't know this, but you can make a type of

800
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 3: radio a crystal receiver radio that can play AM radio

801
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 3: broadcasts without any battery or power source. The crystal manages

802
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 3: to take the energy in the radio carrier wave and

803
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 3: it's amazing and use that alone to basically reproduce the sound.

804
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 3: So for all those reasons, AM like radio really makes

805
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 3: a lot of sense to put all of your eggs

806
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 3: in that basket. As far as getting like emergency broadcasts out,

807
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 3: So the government said, long story short, you need to

808
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 3: keep AM radios in cars, and they're trying to figure

809
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 3: out how to get that mandated.

810
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's called the Emergency Alert System now.

811
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 1: It used to be the EBS, the Emergency Broadcast System.

812
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: And if you're thinking, like man, I get my Amber alert,

813
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: so like all that stuff comes through my phone now.

814
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: And this isn't like gen X saying like, oh, to

815
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: rely on on your phones, but like if you expect

816
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: that phone to always work in all cases for the

817
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: rest of time, you're sorely mistaken because if that system

818
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: is taken out, then you're gonna rely on something like

819
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 1: AM radio to get important information out, you know. I mean,

820
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 1: that's why it's still there. That's why they're you know,

821
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: going to the car makers and saying like, hey, like

822
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 1: you may not listen to it, you may think it's

823
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: old fashioned, but there are still four thousand AM stations

824
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: and eighty million listeners a month that some of them

825
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: rely on this stuff to get information, and you can't

826
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: just say like, well, it seems old timey, so we

827
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: don't interferes with our stuff, so we don't want it anymore.

828
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do kind of have the feeling that there

829
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 3: is like a certain scorn toward the nostalgic factor of

830
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 3: AM radio. Yeah, and that that's part of maybe what's

831
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 3: driving it, which really ticks me off, because who are

832
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 3: car makers to decide whether AM radio sticks around or not.

833
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 3: Congress says, no, we actually have come up with a

834
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 3: law called the Am Radio for Every Vehicle Act that

835
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,760
Speaker 3: basically says, if you sell a car in the United States,

836
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 3: it has to have AM radio as a feature, not

837
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 3: even an option. And a lot of carmakers are like, sure, fine,

838
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 3: we're on board with that. Honda, Hyundai, Jaguar, Kiya, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Silantis, Subaru,

839
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 3: Toyota all said we're keeping AM radio. Ford had said

840
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 3: they weren't, and they said, okay, we didn't realize AM

841
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 3: radio was so popular, we're going to keep it too.

842
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 3: So I guess if you want to show your support

843
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 3: for AM radio, everybody should just go out and buy

844
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 3: a Jaguar.

845
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: Well, Tesla, Rivian, Pollstar, BMW, Volkswagen, and Balvo dispensed with

846
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: AM radio and some of their new car models. I

847
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: don't think completely across the board for each of those manufacturers,

848
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: but that every AM for Every Vehicle Act failed in

849
00:44:55,560 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Unfortunately, it was reintroduced this year in

850
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, just I think recently in September, and

851
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: has a lot of support, like on you know, both

852
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: sides of the aisle. So you know, if the one

853
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: hundred and nineteenth Congress ever decides to do anything at all,

854
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: perhaps that will be reconsidered.

855
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's got legs like an intern carrying coffee back

856
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 3: to the office is how they put it in Washington.

857
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 2: It's good. That was the original zzy top line, but

858
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: it was a little bagg.

859
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 3: Don't forget the Zzy top Eliminator video trilogy. You were feminist,

860
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 3: that's right. You got anything else? Man?

861
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that was that was good support support

862
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: AM radio. It's not a relic it's still important.

863
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, well put dude. If you want to know more

864
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 3: about AM radio, start listening to AM radio. And since

865
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Speaker 3: I started to sign off this episode like it was

866
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 3: one of the OG episodes, that means it's time for

867
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Speaker 3: listener mail.

868
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Speaker 2: This is from car just kind of a thank you.

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Speaker 1: Carra started listening in two thousand and eight when she

870
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Speaker 1: was sick at home from high school with pneumonia. Yours

871
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Speaker 1: was the very first podcast ever listened to, back when

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Speaker 1: hardly anyone knew what a podcast was. I've been avid

873
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: listener to a lot of shows since, but you have

874
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Speaker 1: been a constant in my life through the end of

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Speaker 1: high school, college, grad school, and beyond. Your voices have

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Speaker 1: always been a sense of comfort and familiarity when things

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Speaker 1: in life got really difficult. I went to see You

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Speaker 1: Live in Boston three times, always on my own, and

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Speaker 1: each show felt like a small celebration for myself of

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Speaker 1: something that had carried me through so many years.

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Speaker 3: I wonder if that's the person who had the laugh

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Speaker 3: that we called out in Boston every time.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know. Maybe I think Kara would have

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Speaker 2: mentioned that. Probably.

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Speaker 1: Probably one rule with stuff you should know for me, though,

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Speaker 1: is I could not listen to an episode until I

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Speaker 1: could really pay attention, like other shows were background podcasts

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Speaker 1: for me, but not yours. The only downside was that

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Speaker 1: I fell further and further behind unless I had the

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Speaker 1: focus to listen. This year, I've had to do a

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Speaker 1: lot of driving, though, and things have settled down some,

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Speaker 1: so I made it a goal to catch up in

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Speaker 1: time to listen to the twenty twenty five Halloween special

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Speaker 1: on Halloween. I also told myself, if I did it,

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Speaker 1: get finally right in and tell you how much I

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Speaker 1: appreciate the information, banter, humor and movie.

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Speaker 2: Rerecks and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: So this is a day before Halloween email coming from

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Speaker 1: Kara or Kara ka R.

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Speaker 3: That's awesome, Thanks Carra. Kara obviously very goal motivated and

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that, and thank you for listening to all

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Speaker 3: of our shows for so long. That means a lot

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Speaker 3: that we have friends who are travelers like you. You know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean We've said it before. If there weren't

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Speaker 1: the Cara Karras, then we would not exist as a

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, that sounds like a T shirt if you ask me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And Cara Carra sounds like I don't know, like

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Speaker 2: a food Yeah, like replaced.

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Speaker 3: Okay, if you want to get in touch of this

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Speaker 3: like Kara Kara did and let us know what we

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Speaker 3: meant to you. We love those emails. You can wrap

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Speaker 3: it up, spank it on the bottom, and send it

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Speaker 3: off to Stuff Podcasts at iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Stuff you Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio.

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