WEBVTT - The Babadook 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:03.760 On the Beck Dol Cast, the questions asked if movies 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:07.480 have women in them? Are all their discussions just boyfriends 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:12.400 and husbands? Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:16.960 start changing it with the beck del Cast. Jamie, I'd 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:22.800 like to read you a bedtime story. Okay, who is 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:25.160 it about? Um? It's about this guy named the Babba 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:28.400 Duck or rather just a figure. I don't want to 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:33.680 gender the Babba Duck, the Babba Duke. What's the fashion situation, 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:38.960 the fashion situation, fashion icon? I see the Babba Duke 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:45.960 a top hat, some like pretty intense makeup. Okay, amazing, 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:50.920 You've got like a black cloak, I would say, okay, hot, hot, 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:55.360 both physically and like you know, like energy wise, like 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:58.160 probably sweating under there. How much is the Babba Ducks 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:01.120 sweating under all of that at I mean, it does 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:04.840 seem like it's kind of maybe it seems like it's not, 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:08.400 you know, warm the whole movie. It's pretty chilly environment 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:13.280 seems like a second layer, honestly. I mean, look, welcome 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:16.440 to the Beck Doll Cast. My name is Shamie Loftus, 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:19.679 huge Babba Duck fan. My name is Caitlin Dronte, another 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:23.240 huge Babba Duck fan. Hard to really not be a 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:25.440 fan of the Babba Duck, as we will be discussing 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:32.760 in this exclusive unlocked Matreon episode for you. Can you 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:36.200 believe it? I can scarcely believe it, But here we are, 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:39.920 my goodness, nonetheless, here we are. Um, So we are 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:42.920 unlocking this episode this week. A little, a little peer 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:47.520 behind the curtain. That is just simply unfortunate. We were 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:50.920 hoping to spotlight I mean we at this point, it's 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:53.800 like we sort of cover all sorts of movies throughout 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:56.440 the year. Um, but we were hoping to get several 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:59.080 queer movies featured in the month of June because I 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:02.320 don't know if you've been to a bank recently, but 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:07.080 it's it's pretty. It's pride one, um, so happy pride 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:09.880 to everybody, and we um. We had big plans for 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:15.239 this month and then unfortunately, I Jamie got the homophobic 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:22.280 COVID nineteen virus, an extremely homophobic, queer phobic in general virus. Yes, 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:25.960 just not a friendly So I got really sick and 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:29.880 it kind of derailed our plans a little bit. Very 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:33.760 very fortunate to be doing better now. Shout out to 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:39.000 vaccines and pack Slovid. I don't know if anyone has 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:44.200 been on the pack Slavid bus um, but in any case, 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:46.160 you know, I feel I feel very lucky to have 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:50.080 UM to be better, but it it did sort of 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:53.720 derail our June a little bit, UM, and so we 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:56.799 were thinking, um, what would be a fun episode to 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:01.639 unlock for the month of June because me being success 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:05.680 stuff back a little bit. So sorry, Okay, we're trying 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:07.799 our best and we will also be like I mean, 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:11.280 I feel like we cover movies with queer themes all 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:14.079 the time now, so it's like the boundary of June, 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:18.320 we don't observe UM. But but in any case, we 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:23.400 wanted to unlock an episode that had um queer themes. 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:26.680 The Bobba Duck. You may say, now, hold on, what 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.280 are you talking about? I do believe we cover it 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:34.079 in text in this episode of why Duck is considered 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:37.840 a queer icon. We spend a long time talking about 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:42.200 it in fact, and I think and and I believe 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:46.160 because we were This episode originally came out on our Matreon, which, 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:48.720 by the way, if you enjoy the fun the loose 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:52.640 energy of this episode, always a reminder to go to 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:57.800 our Patreon ak, Matreon, Patreon dot com slash Bechtel Cast 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:03.840 for two bonus episodes a month and an over episode backlog. 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:07.360 We've only um ever unlocked a handful of them on 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:09.240 the main feed, and we don't make a habit of 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:12.680 it except for when one of us gets um wildly ill. 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:16.719 So there you go. But I do believe because we 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:20.760 discuss we won't spoil it here. We do discuss why 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:24.000 the Babba Duck is considered a queer icon and has 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:27.880 been embraced as a queer icon, even though that's not 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:33.920 necessarily in the text, but we address why. But I 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.640 believes because this is from this is an episode from 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:40.760 almost four years ago October. It's rather far back in 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.919 the Matrion's history and at the time I don't know 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:46.040 if I mentioned it in the episode, but I had 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:50.479 pitched an episode about queer icon the Bobba Duck on 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:54.400 my first season at Robot Chicken. This is familiar, and 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.840 because this is episode is four years old, that sketch 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:01.200 did get into the show and was released on the 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:06.479 show in so I will be linking to the sketch 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:11.279 hopefully like it. I was very I was shocked and 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:15.080 thrilled that it somehow got into the show. It is 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:18.240 an episode. It's like, I don't know, put yourself into 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:21.720 your brain if you count. It was very timely at 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:25.080 the time, queer Icon The Bobba Duck goes on to 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:30.599 new Netflix Queer Eye. Oh that's good. That's good, amazing. 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:35.200 Thank you, thank you for your support of a TV 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:37.359 show that came about three years ago. Look, I was 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:40.599 proud of it, and the Babba Duck is a queer icon. 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:44.320 And also the Babba Duck was like, even outside of 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:47.680 this fascinating history of how the Babba Duck became a 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:51.360 queer icon, it's also just a movie that is full 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:55.160 of discussion that's relevant to our show. Yes, which you 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:59.360 are about to hear I found And maybe this is 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:03.080 just but I feel like in the years since we 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:06.800 released that episode, the Babba Duck being a queer icon 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.840 has kind of fallen out of the zeitgeist. And I'm 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:13.400 hoping that us releasing this episode, like you know, like 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:18.479 unlocking this episode will remind people, don't forget about the 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:21.760 Babba Duck. It's being a queer icon. It's true. I 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:24.240 don't think I've really I don't think it's like that 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:28.000 the Babba Duck has been removed from Cannon, but it 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:31.000 just's not as discussed as as it was. And I 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:34.919 want to say, like eighteen nineteen, you know, in a 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:40.120 world where there is a dearth of sheer joy, the 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:44.080 Babba Duck as queer icon, I feel like, um, you 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:47.800 know is worthy of your attention. Hopefully you enjoy if 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:50.320 you if you're not aware of this, you'll enjoy learning 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:53.840 the origins. Because this is a Matreon episode, I guess 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:56.480 we should quickly tell people what the Bechtel test is, 0:06:57.200 --> 0:07:00.480 because we don't do that in Matrion episodes. Yes, and 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:05.119 I will. We will do that by giving an example. 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:12.440 And here's the example of something that passes the Bechtel test. Hey, Jamie, Hey, Caitlin, 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:18.160 did you know that? I believe it was sometime in 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:24.000 twenty nineteen. The director of The Babba Duck, Jennifer Kent, 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:30.880 finally commented, I did not know this. Wait, so she 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:33.920 was asked her thoughts on the Babba Duck being a 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:38.040 queer icon, and of course for her conversations about the 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:42.160 Babba Duck past the Bechtel test, because yes, the Babba 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:45.800 Duck is a genderless slash gender fluid slash non binary 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:49.400 icon and also the Backel test passes kind of like 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:54.679 whatever is interesting to us in a lot of cases 0:07:55.040 --> 0:08:00.640 true to true. Um. But Jennifer Kent finally responded, I leave. 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:04.440 In an interview with Entertainment Weekly, I think she was 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.760 on the press tour for her film The Nightingale. She 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:10.720 was asked what her thoughts were on the Baba Duck 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:15.119 as a gay icon, and she said, quote, I'm still 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:19.280 trying to work that one out. It's quite perplexing. I 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:22.080 feel it's really quite beautiful, but I still have no 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:29.040 idea why. I mean, I kind of do unquote Oh okay. 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:38.400 That's truly an iconic response because it is very funny, 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:40.960 Like I feel like, first of all, it is a 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:45.320 gift for a character you invented to be taken out 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:48.040 of context by accident, become a queer icon, and then 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:49.880 be asked what you think about it, You're like, um, 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:53.280 I guess that's awesome, because it is. But also I 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:56.079 think her response makes quite a quite a lot of 0:08:56.360 --> 0:09:01.319 sense for you're like, yeah, great, Um, well, shout out 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:07.439 Jennifer Kent, shout out Babba Duck, shout out this movie, 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:11.080 and that did, in fact pass the Betel test top 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:15.240 to bottom test, which is a media metric created by 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:18.679 queer cartoonist Alice and Becktel, sometimes called the Bechtel Wallace Test. 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:22.240 There are many versions of the test. Here is the 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:26.120 one that we use. A piece of media passes the 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:29.720 Becktel test if there are two characters of a marginalized 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:34.240 gender who have names, they speak to each other, and 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.120 their conversation has to be about something other than a man. 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:40.400 And then we add the caveat you know, at least 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:45.719 a two line exchange, and hopefully that conversation is narratively meaningful. 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:50.880 And I am thrilled. I mean, I think it's just 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:55.000 very fun that we unlike this episode. Hopefully you agree. Um, 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:58.840 we have a really fun lineup planned for the summer. 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:03.240 We willbviously, we will always be covering queer movies on 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:07.040 this show. Apologies for our June getting a bit derailed 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:11.880 this year, but we're back on track. I am still 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:17.800 testing positive, however, I feel okay. I mean, you know, 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:19.600 first of all, I'm very lucky that I can work 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:23.839 from home. Second, of all, the walls of this apartment, unfortunately, 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:25.840 I mean, they couldn't be more familiar to me. We 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:28.839 were locked in our houses for quite a long time. True. 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:34.200 So UM, with that in mind, UM, thank you for 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:37.240 listening to the show, Happy Pride, Thank you for your 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:42.160 patients with this slight disruption, and we are going to 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:46.480 have a a fun summer ahead. It's not indeed we 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:49.520 are Hot Girl Summer. Hot Girl Summer was, I believe, 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:57.679 and twenty Hot Dog Summer was summer one. I don't 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:02.400 really know what hot. I mean, what's going to be 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:07.680 hot this summer? Hot planet summer seems depressing, but high 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:12.600 gas price summer. God, we really I can't think of 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:18.040 something non dystopian. We'll circle back on on that. It's 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:21.120 going to be a hot summer, that's for sure. Yes, 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:24.360 but thank you so much for listening. Join the Matreon 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:28.600 if you are enjoying the vibe of this episode we have. 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:33.080 You know it's no longer um. But Caitlin and I 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:35.560 do like to get a little chaotic and fun on 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:40.000 the Matreon stream. For example, this month our theme was 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:42.719 I Know what you did last Midsummer And we're not 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:44.520 going to tell you what movies we covered because it's 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:49.360 in the title. Yes, you'll be able to figure it out. 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:52.320 You're smart. I'm going to rattle off a bunch of 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:57.280 just kind of not random, but you know, thoughts that 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:02.040 pertain two things. One um thoughts that have pertained to 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:08.000 things things Ever heard of them? First, Jamie, I'm glad 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:11.560 you're recovering from COVID and feeling better too. I think 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:14.920 that the Babba Duok the movie is one of its 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:17.920 kind of thesis statements, is something that we also have 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:22.360 as a as a thesis statement on the Bechtel cast, 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:25.720 which is, um, don't read books. We don't, we don't 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:29.040 read books. The book and the Babba Duck. That is true, 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:32.360 it's bad. So I feel really close to the movie 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:36.800 The Babba Duck for that reason. Good messaging. Do not read, 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:41.120 don't don't read books. They're they're dangerous, I think is 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:44.680 the main takeaway. Trying to hurt you ye from the movie. 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:47.840 Let's see. I would like to plug an upcoming tour 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:51.600 I have so maybe you know it's it's not howt 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:58.080 girl summer. It's hot Caitlyn on tour summer because I'm 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:01.680 going to Europe. Ever heard of it? And I'm doing 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:08.960 shows in Barcelona, Madrid, Paris, Amsterdam, hopefully London, hopefully Edinburgh, 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:12.800 I've got to figure some of those out. But check 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:17.360 out my website and take a gander at the shows 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:20.719 I'm doing, and if you live in any of those places, 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:26.640 come say hello. I love it. I will plug Ghost 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:31.400 Church UM, which is finishing its run this coming week. 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:34.559 This is my podcast that if you've been listening to 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:37.280 the Battle Cast, you probably heard me plug the hell 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:40.400 out of it. But it's my most recent UM solo 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:44.360 podcast that is about the history of American spiritualism and 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:48.720 my time that I spent in a spiritualist camp in 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:52.280 central Florida where I am going back to UH in 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:54.960 a week and a half. Oh that's right, because you're 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:58.800 going you are going to Florida. I am going to 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:03.480 Florida for some in two is just Florida is a 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:09.200 magnet and I am a piece of metal. UM so 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:12.840 I have I I am doing shows in l all summer. 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:14.599 I think I'm gonna need doing a few shows in 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:17.800 Boston in July, but outside of that, I'm going to 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:23.240 be hanging out with my my mediums in in Florida. 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:26.160 So listen to Ghost Church UM. A lot of love 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:29.040 went into it. Produced by backdel Cast producer, So if 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:32.400 you lic Treman, featuring the voice talents of Caitlin Darante, 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:37.680 of Paula Tompkins, of Robert Evans, of many many talented people. 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:42.080 And um, I think that that's all I have to 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:46.360 say without further ado, shall we uh Boba Duck, let's 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:59.760 shall enjoy the episode. Hello, my matrons, us its u? 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:04.920 How are you? Jamie having a day? Honestly? I mean, 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:08.000 and we're also recording this uh that I'm literally like, 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:10.600 he ad a picture of a gravestone on my computer 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:13.680 because I just designed that his wife shirt, which will 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:17.240 be out soon. Um. All that to say, you know, 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:21.920 we're we're keeping it loose, and we're recording this a 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:25.080 week after the Kavanaugh hearings, but before the whole FBI 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:30.520 think has been settled. And I don't know, yeah, personally, 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:33.400 I took the morning off and I'm still fucking exhausted. 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:40.640 How are you I'm I'm you know, I just want 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:44.200 to like puke. I just I stay off of social 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:47.840 media for the most part. I have not been keeping 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:52.520 up with the news enough because it's far too depressing. Um. 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:56.880 But hey, speaking of depression and mental illness, let's talk 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:59.600 about the Baba Duck. I love the thing is I 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:04.480 love the Baba Duke so much? Okay, here's a question. 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:08.080 Is Bubba Duck When I said like that, is that 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:13.000 an Australian accent? Oh, I don't know. I say Duke. 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:16.240 I hit the I say, well, in the movie they 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:20.360 say it Bobba Duck. But I think it's because Australia. Right, Okay, Well, 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:23.320 I mean you sorry for ye you want. I can 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:25.560 say it however I want. Anyone can say it however 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:30.160 they want. Choosing how to identify as an important imbedded 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:36.320 not even choosing. It's it's acceptance. It's a message of 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:40.640 a failure to accept. Yeah, I think that. I mean, well, 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:44.000 there are two ways to view the Babba Duck Duke. 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:50.400 There is the textual reading, which is pretty generally understood 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:55.600 and even copped too by the writer director Jennifer Kent 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.920 was cops to do a pretty one to one metaphor 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:03.040 or for postpartum depression, the Baba Duke being a monster 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:10.119 that represents postpartum depression. Then there's a meta textual reading 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:16.240 that I think it's way cooler, which is I believe 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:20.439 it was twenty I believe the year was twenty sixteen 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:28.160 when Netflix miscategorized the Baba Duke as an LGBT film, 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:35.639 and the LGBT community lgbt Q I plus, etcetera community, 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:39.840 as they have historically done, welcome to the Baba Duke 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:44.640 into the community rather than rejecting them. And it became 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:49.560 really one of my favorite memes of all time is 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:53.000 that instead of saying, hey, this doesn't belong here, let's 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:55.600 let's make sure that the Baba Duke gets out of 0:17:55.880 --> 0:18:02.280 the lgbt Q category, they instead said, oh, the Baba 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:06.479 Duke was queer, and it introduces, well, do you have 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:11.960 the tabs of let's because because the specific jokes are 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:15.400 so rich, I think this is the more interesting conversation. 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:21.399 There's a there's a BuzzFeed listical which just features many 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:28.159 of the tweets and good question. I know that Babba 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:33.719 Duke was being joked as being like the special guest 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:38.240 at Pride in Yeah, but I don't know what amount 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:41.600 of time before that people were beginning to make the 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:44.399 jokes and the queer icon Babba Duke was making the 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:48.720 rounds on the Internet. Yeah, there's all kinds of really 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:55.920 funny tumbler conversations, memes and tweets where the queer community 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:59.640 is embracing queer icon Babba Duke as one of their own. 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:03.040 That's not to say that everyone in the queer community 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:07.000 is on board. I mean I've spoken to a few 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:11.440 people who were like, whatever, it's like. I think, like 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:18.639 any meme, it could be perhaps viewed as cheesy, overdone 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:24.840 TACKI definitely understand that view completely. Yeah, personally, I love it. 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:30.080 I do too. And so we'll tell me your your 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:33.560 history with the film The Babba Duke. Oh gosh, I 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:36.520 think I saw and I'm pretty sure most people who 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:38.719 have seen this movie did not see it in theaters. 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:41.120 They saw it on Netflix. It's a movie that very 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:45.480 much found its legs and streaming. So I saw, Yeah, 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:47.840 I saw it in in streaming. I'm pretty sure I 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:49.919 saw the stark image of the Bomba Duke. It was like, 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:53.320 it seems like my kind of fit, you know. I 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:57.359 like the fit. I liked the the illiterative nature of 0:19:57.400 --> 0:20:01.320 the name, and I watched it as like it was 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:02.919 like the kind of thing. On first viewing, I'm like, 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:07.280 this plot is all over the place enough that it 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:11.280 needs to be a metaphor for something I'm missing. And 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:14.439 then did a light goog and realize that indeed it 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:17.280 was a you know, kind of like and not even 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:20.680 to be overly critical of Jennifer Kent. I think she's 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:25.320 made a lovely, thoughtful, interesting, scary movie, but it does. 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:29.280 We were talking about this during the viewing, where it 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:32.840 gets so in the weeds on its own metaphor that 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:35.679 if there was no metaphor, if you're just looking at 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:42.480 the plot, there's a lot of moments that you're like, um, sure, 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:46.040 you know, almost like and not. I mean, it's like 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:53.639 that issue to Mother, Aroonowski's movie from last year, but 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:58.119 I think it's like, oh, far lesser offense of the 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:02.160 same crime of just like a movie that's so caught 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:06.040 up in its own metaphor that it loses any sort 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:09.880 of plot. Babba Doke is not to the I mean, 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:14.879 Mother is just like Mother barely has a plot. It 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:17.800 makes its story is at the expense of the extended 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:22.120 metaphors unintelligible. But the Babba do I mean, there's it's 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:25.080 more like there are a few scenes and plot points 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:30.640 that you're like, I'm not totally with this, especially like that, 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:35.440 and well, I guess don't I do the recap? Yeah, Um, 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:37.680 it's if weird. We're having so many there's so there's 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:41.200 so much to quote one yearser baba discourse to have 0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:44.920 so my brief history with it before I do that, 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:52.359 how dare I'm sorry, goodness, gracious, unbelievable, Jamie. I saw 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:55.120 streaming as well. I remember there being like a lot 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:57.600 of buzz about it when it first came to Netflix, 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:01.720 and people were like, oh, I heard it, so freaking scary. 0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:04.800 It's the best horror movie. You know. While people were 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:08.480 going crazy about it. It came out in two thousand fourteen. 0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:11.439 I think I probably didn't watch it until sometime in 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:16.520 oh fifteen, but I was like, okay, yeah, I I 0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:20.240 appreciated it's production design. I think a lot of care 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:24.480 went into stylizing the movie. I think that the performances 0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:27.639 are really good. You know me, I generally I'm not 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:30.840 the hugest fan of a lot of child acting. It's 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:32.879 not that I hate the actors themselves, it's just that 0:22:32.960 --> 0:22:35.960 I don't think that. But the child, the kid who 0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:39.639 plays I mean, you do feel it reminds me of 0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:42.399 this horrible health class I had in seventh grade. You 0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:47.720 do feel her pain of like, yeah, this kid is 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:52.359 socreaming and she doesn't have the support she needs to 0:22:52.480 --> 0:22:55.560 get this kid to not be screaming. It's not even 0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:59.080 like the reasons the kids are screaming are wrong, But 0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:02.560 how do You're just one person reminds me of this. 0:23:03.160 --> 0:23:09.000 I had this horrible, horrible chain smoking health teacher named 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:14.119 Mr Starziac in seventh grade and his famous lesson was 0:23:14.240 --> 0:23:18.200 on shaking baby syndrome. It was like notorious. It was 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:20.200 like in seventh grade because my older cousins had gotten 0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:22.040 in a few years before me, and she's like, my 0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:24.880 cousin Tammy was like, oh, you're gonna get Mr Starza 0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:28.520 shaking baby lesson and so fucked up. But she wouldn't 0:23:28.520 --> 0:23:32.159 tell me no spoilers. And what he did was he 0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:35.520 would go into the beginning of class would be like, so, 0:23:35.880 --> 0:23:38.800 none of you guys would shake a baby to death, right, 0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:43.280 and we'd all be like, no, of course not. He 0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:47.480 was like, good, just checking, and then he would put 0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:51.359 on a cassette tape of a baby screaming and would 0:23:51.440 --> 0:23:55.440 turn it all the way up and would leave a 0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:57.879 baby doll sitting on top of the tapercorder so it 0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:00.000 seemed like the baby was crying, and then he would 0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:03.320 leave the room god, and he would leave it there 0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:07.960 the whole period. His point being babies are annoying and 0:24:08.000 --> 0:24:11.600 eventually you're gonna want to kill them them today, But 0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:15.399 no seventh grader would ever like it was annoying and 0:24:15.440 --> 0:24:18.159 it was gratinggg but it was more everyone was just like, 0:24:18.560 --> 0:24:21.199 why is he doing this? Does he want one of 0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:23.920 us to try to shake this baby? No one did, 0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:27.359 and according to my cousins experiences, no one did in 0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:29.439 their class either. They just sort of sat there and 0:24:29.440 --> 0:24:33.000 they were just like, this is annoying, but like more 0:24:33.119 --> 0:24:36.840 like why is our teacher doing this? And so eventually, 0:24:37.520 --> 0:24:42.119 in every case, when a student inevitably does not shake 0:24:42.200 --> 0:24:46.679 the baby to break the tension, Mr Starsiac comes back 0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:50.760 into the room and shake the baby himself, and he 0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:54.520 would be like, see is this annoying? And we'd be 0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:57.560 like yes, and he's like, yeah, don't you want to 0:24:57.600 --> 0:25:00.959 shake this baby? And he'd shake the doll and my 0:25:01.080 --> 0:25:04.120 year was particularly iconic because the head of the doll 0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:09.840 popped off and then he'd stop the tape recording and 0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:13.280 be like, I don't know you'd be and that's shaking 0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:20.000 baby syndrome. Wow. So that was what Samuel's performance was 0:25:20.040 --> 0:25:24.760 invoking for me, what a horrible thing to do to kids. 0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:29.760 There's no prevention techniques to just explaining it was basically 0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:32.200 he was just like confirming the baby's crying is annoying, 0:25:32.480 --> 0:25:36.399 and you might come to the temptation to shake them. Yeah, 0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:40.679 it's just like, yeah, it happens. But you can pretty 0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:46.560 much get why you like, Yeah, okay, well you're not 0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:50.760 the best educator we've ever known. So yeah, I saw 0:25:50.760 --> 0:25:53.520 the movie once and I liked it, but I didn't 0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:56.119 quite get all of the hype. I wasn't like, you know, 0:25:56.240 --> 0:26:00.560 it was because it is a little nonsensical, especially as 0:26:00.640 --> 0:26:03.159 the movie progresses, and certainly in like the third act, 0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:07.800 where the resolution is a little confusing, and when you 0:26:07.840 --> 0:26:11.959 do look at it from the perspective of the Babba 0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:19.080 Duck is a manifestation of her postpartum depression. Then the 0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:23.359 implications of what happens are I mean, we'll talk about them, 0:26:23.400 --> 0:26:27.280 but it's you know, it's a strange choice. Um, yes, 0:26:27.400 --> 0:26:31.320 but yeah, we could talk about that. So the story 0:26:31.600 --> 0:26:34.399 of the Babba Duck, Yes, do tell us Babba, the 0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:37.880 Book of the Babba Book, the Book, the Babba Discourse, 0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:43.639 The Babba Duck is about a mother named Amelia who 0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:48.680 lost her husband on the day that her son was born. 0:26:48.920 --> 0:26:51.600 So they were driving to the hospital. They get in 0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:55.680 a car accident, her husband dies. Can I say kind 0:26:55.680 --> 0:26:58.919 of lazy writing a little death on the way to 0:26:59.000 --> 0:27:03.120 the hospital, like all right, but it does keep with 0:27:03.200 --> 0:27:06.720