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Speaker 1: in this exclusive unlocked Matreon episode for you. Can you

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Speaker 1: The Bobba Duck. You may say, now, hold on, what

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Speaker 1: there aren't any monsters. So one day it's bedtime and

424
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: he's like, read me a story, and he pulls a

425
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: book off the shelf called Mr. Baba Duke, which we'll

426
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: get into the needless gendering of the Baba Duke later.

427
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: Sure I think the movie is not called Mr. Baba

428
00:28:51,360 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: Duke for a reason. Sure because non binary icon, not

429
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: a feminist icon, necessarily does try to kill Amelia a

430
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: bunch and and stocks their neighbor Mrs Roach. He's like, sorry,

431
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: they they are are hanging out. They have certainly some

432
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: crimes to answer for, but being a non binary icon

433
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: is not one of them. So she reads Mr Bubba

434
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: Duck the book the Imagery, and it is scary and

435
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: it's about this monster who will come and get you.

436
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: And then the less you believe in the Bubba Duck,

437
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: the more, they will interfere with your life. So yeah,

438
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: so Amelia reads this to Samuel. She writes it off

439
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: is just a story, but Samuel insist that the Bubba

440
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: Duck is real and is around and is tormenting him,

441
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: and this causes even more problems at school where he

442
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: basically gets kicked out of school even though he's a young,

443
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: very young child. And he is at his cousin's birthday

444
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: party and he pushes her ruby Ruby not an icon

445
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: of any sort of anything, but does she just because

446
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: you're not an icon doesn't mean you should be pushed

447
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: out of a tree. Certainly not important to remember. So

448
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: he his like, misbehavior is like dialing up to an

449
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: eleven and pushing kids out of trees. It's a problem, right.

450
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: So she's saying, you know, stop with this Babba Duk thing.

451
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: The Babba Duck is not real. But then she starts

452
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: to see glimpses of the freaking duck. Yeah, so she's like, hey,

453
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: wait a minute, this isn't real. I'm seeing things and

454
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: she's in denial and she throws the book away, but

455
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: then the book, you know, she rips it up and

456
00:30:52,800 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: put the Abba book. What is the Aba Babba Duck

457
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: crossover event we've all been waiting for. I would be

458
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: baba shook if that happened. Can I plug my Baba

459
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: Duck thing soon? Yeah? Next season of Robot Chicken early nineteen.

460
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: Keep your eyes peeled for. Honestly, what I think is

461
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: my greatest accomplishment to date, which is a sketch called

462
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: Queer Eye for the Babba Duck. Yeah. I can't wait

463
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: to see it. I'm really excited. I think it's a

464
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: tale of becoming. Anyways, So yeah, we've got um Boba

465
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: Duck Mamma Mia, that's going to happen. Bye Bye Man.

466
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: The Bye Bye Man is also so funny. Did you

467
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: see that whatever that movie it was, It loves called

468
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: Bye Man. It's like a Slenderman knockoff, was my understanding.

469
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: And then it's like you can miss it. But the

470
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: double the double entendre of the Bye Bye Man is fun. Also,

471
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: Roger says bye bye when he gets off the phone. Okay,

472
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: that's just a flourish ab Okay. So she's she's chucking

473
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: the Babba Duck book in the bin if you're working

474
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: and chucking, but the Bubba Duck Book comes back on

475
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: her doorstep, and she's like, what the hell, So then

476
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: she burns it. She goes to the police and says,

477
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: I'm being stalked and they're like, wait, don't believe you. Sure,

478
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: And then the Babba Duck gets worse. Uh. It starts

479
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: to really torment her. She's having different delusions, she is,

480
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: she can't sleep, and when the Bubba Duck book comes back,

481
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: more of the story has filled in, and it's like,

482
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: you're going to kill your dog and your son by

483
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: the way. She's like, no, I'm not. But then she

484
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: does kill her dog because she's being more and more

485
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: possessed I suppose by the duck. And then the duck

486
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: she kind of snaps too. She she does nearly kill

487
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: her son because she's holding a large knife. And there's

488
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: an interesting switch that happens where in the beginning of

489
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: the movie, Samuel is intolerable as a character because of

490
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: his behavioral problems, and you feel really sorry for the

491
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: mom having to deal with a child like that, and

492
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: then there's a switch that happens where Samuel becomes a

493
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: super sympathetic character because his mom is trying to kill

494
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,959
Speaker 1: him and or neglecting him and or verbally abusing him,

495
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: and then the mom meanwhile is doing all these horrible things.

496
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: So like the character you're identifying and sympathizing with most

497
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: there's like a stark switch that happens. So she throws

498
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: up some black, very Jennifer's body kind of bile, yeah,

499
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: and then you know she seems like she's about to

500
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: lose it, and you know her son has tied her

501
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: up in the basement. But then she kind of comes

502
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: to and she has this face to face contation with

503
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: the Babba Duck and she's like, this is my house.

504
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: You're trespassing in my house. Get out of here. And

505
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: then it like it seems like the Babba Duck has

506
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: been defeated and or kept at bay, because then we

507
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: cut to her and her son there and they're nice,

508
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: clean clothes. Again, they're not covered in black vomit. She

509
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: goes down to the basement, the Babba Duck is there,

510
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: presumably kind of like tied up or something, and she's like, here,

511
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: eat some worms. It's weird, and then that's the end

512
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: of the movie. So metaturreally, if if we are remembering

513
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 1: that the Babba Duck is a manifestation of her mental illness,

514
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: I guess all you have to do to cope with

515
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: mental illness is just acknowledged that it's there and then

516
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: kind of lock it away and your subconscious there's I

517
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: think that there's a little more to it than I mean,

518
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: it's again it's like kind of a sloppy metaphor, but

519
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: ultimately I think it's like supposed to mean. And then

520
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: I think the reason it doesn't work is because it

521
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: like skips ahead with so many like it depicts the

522
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: I guess, like the battle between a woman in postpartum depression, right,

523
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: but then it just skips ahead to like and now

524
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: it's treatment and everything's great and it's not none of

525
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: the abuse towards her sons, slash animal cruelty as ever

526
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: ad dressed and it's just all this. We're like, yeah,

527
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: we really like flipped ahead on this this one. I

528
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: don't know that she's saying. I mean, I think that

529
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: it's more like not locking mental illness away, but like

530
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: finding a way to restrain dark thoughts. Because I think

531
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: the actual movie, not the queer masterpiece version of it,

532
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: the Baba Duke represents all the like not even I

533
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: don't even know like it could possibly even recommend like

534
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: just be depicting the ugliest parts of this illness of

535
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: like dark thoughts that are attacking you and possessing you

536
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: and making you, you know, do things you wouldn't normally do,

537
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: and locking those away and keeping them at bay with

538
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: you know, little zolaf worms and what have you. I'm tired.

539
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, the movie is creepy and

540
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: there's scary imagery, but when you really think about it,

541
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: like like we do on our podcast, yeah it is

542
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: technically our job, it doesn't necessarily make a whole lot

543
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 1: of sense. I think a movie that has a clear

544
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: metaphor that also has a story that makes sense and

545
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: it's also you know, very creepy and hunting is it

546
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: follows which I would love to do an episode on sometimes. Well,

547
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: I it's certainly not without its problems, But I think

548
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: I just enjoyed that movie more interesting. Yeah, I like see.

549
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: I think that that comes It might come down to

550
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: like a preference thing too, because I prefer call me simple.

551
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: But I like a villain with a face. I know,

552
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: it's scarier when they don't have a face and you're like,

553
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: where's he, Where's he? But I like a villain I

554
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: mean I'm literally dressing up as a Babba duke for Halloween.

555
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, give me a villain with a with a

556
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 1: fit and an aesthetic and an objective. Um, it's less scary,

557
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: but it looks not necessarily Yeah, I think it is

558
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: a matter of preference. Yeah, but let's take a quick

559
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 1: break and then we will come back for more discussion.

560
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: So as far as the female characters, um, we have

561
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: a few. There aren't that many characters in this movie

562
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: at all. We've got Amelia, We've got Samuel. There is

563
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: Amelia's sister Claire. There's Claire's daughter Lucy, who we see

564
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: the both of them in a couple of scenes, but

565
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: they are certainly more secondary characters who don't get a

566
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: ton of screen time. There is a colleague of Amelia's

567
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: who I think is that Robbie. Oh she works, Yeah,

568
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 1: she works, and some sort of um like a nursing

569
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: home or a hospital of some sort. And yeah, so

570
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: there's the Benga mistress, etcetera. Yeah, please start calling me

571
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: the Bam Yeah, I already do behind your back so much. Um.

572
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: And then there's Mrs Roach, their neighbor, and then we

573
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: see glimpses of Amelia's dead husband, and that's really about it.

574
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: There's a couple of like child protect to service people

575
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: who visit the house a couple of times, but yeah,

576
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: it's really just those two main characters of Amelia and

577
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: Samuel and of course Papa Duck. So that means there's

578
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: not a whole lot of interaction between women. You know,

579
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: Amelia does talk to her sister Claire a few times.

580
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 1: She does talk to Mrs Roach a few times. Claire

581
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: as a character is like, I don't know. I mean,

582
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: there are a few elements of this that are like

583
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: turned up to an eleven, to the point of, like,

584
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: do we like anyone in this movie where you're definitely

585
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 1: sympathetic towards Amelia at most points in the movie. Towards

586
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: the end, you're like, oh, geez, she killed a dog.

587
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: Making her kill a dog was such a move because

588
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: that will like lose you nine of any rational audience.

589
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 1: But that said, Claire, Amelia's sister, seems to truly not

590
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: sympathize with amelia situation at all, which is confusing to

591
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: me because I don't know, there's a lot of people

592
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: and to be careful about the way phrases there's a

593
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: lot of people who are very aggressive to Amelia in

594
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: this movie that don't necessarily make a ton of sense.

595
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: Where like Claire obviously fully knows that Amelia lost her

596
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: husband in an accident that she was in. She knows

597
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: that her nephew Samuel is traumatized by this, She knows

598
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: that Amelia has to work a lot to support her

599
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: and Samuel, and and she knows that Amelia also has

600
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 1: a lot of trauma. So why is she so completely

601
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: and utterly unset Like literally most of their interactions are

602
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: screaming Yeah, it's very strange. I don't know. I mean

603
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: I think perhaps that Claire was maybe more supportive in

604
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: the more immediate aftermath of the accident, and she's just

605
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: sort of gotten sick of Yeah, I mean that does

606
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 1: make but that I mean, that's not being as supportive

607
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: as a sister as she could be. But I don't

608
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: necessarily think that Claire is completely unjustified in her behavior,

609
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: especially when in her being frustrated, Yeah, her frustration and

610
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: then also um because she does make an effort to

611
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: include Amelia and Samuel in her and her daughter's life

612
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: for sure, and the moment where she really decides to

613
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: kind of give up on them. Is when her daughter

614
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: get pushes Lucy out of a treehouse. So I know,

615
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess, And it has been seven years,

616
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 1: and that is like a hard thing to be like, Okay,

617
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: how what am I supposed to do? But it's true

618
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: that you know she could even if she is frustrated

619
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: by the situation, it feels like she could do more

620
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 1: to either find help for Amelia. Um whether it's you know,

621
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: is this a critique of the Australian Australian public health system?

622
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: Had to know that was really bad? Yeah, I'm not

623
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,959
Speaker 1: entirely sure what active commentaries, if any, are being made

624
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: in the movie. It is maybe worth noting that whenever

625
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: she whenever Amelia goes to the police and says like,

626
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: someone's leaving this creepy book outside of my house, the

627
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: cops are like, well, you don't have that book that

628
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 1: you said that they gave you, so we're even gonna

629
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: try to investigate this that. What I do think is

630
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:43,919
Speaker 1: interesting about this movie is that the struggles of being

631
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: a mother are the focus of the story, particularly a

632
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: single mother. Yes, most movies don't bother to explore or

633
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: address that at all. Um. This movie reminded me a

634
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: lot of Tully Um, which came out earlier this year,

635
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: which I saw. I didn't especially like it just because

636
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: it wasn't my type of movie. It's a well made movie,

637
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: and it's well written and everything like that, it's just

638
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: not my genre. The tone isn't for me, but it's

639
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: another And she's not a single mother in that movie,

640
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: but she does have a husband who is hands off

641
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: in some ways. It's a very generous, right. Yeah. I

642
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 1: can only think of a few movies like this where

643
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 1: the struggle of of being a parent and of being

644
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: a mother is deeply explored. I certainly don't know anything

645
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: about what it's like to be a mother, and I

646
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,919
Speaker 1: have expressed many times that I don't want to have kids,

647
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: so I will never know. But I am very sympathetic

648
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: to and also admiring of people who do choose to

649
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: have kids because I could never do it. I simply

650
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: don't have the patience or energy or any of the

651
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: things that you have to have to be a parent. Um.

652
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: A trap this movie you could have easily fallen into,

653
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: is being like single motherhood is absolute hell, which it

654
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 1: isn't for every single moment's certainly challenging, but like there,

655
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: if that were the only message of the movie, that

656
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: would be like probably insulting to some mothers who are

657
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: making it work just fine, and you know the implication

658
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 1: of a lack of father or even secondary parents figures

659
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: and how a failure. But this movie totally justifies the

660
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: hell world it creates by afflicting its single parent with

661
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 1: significant trauma that would make anyone's life conceivable in terms

662
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: of like if we're heightening it to a horror world,

663
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: it's not a far cry because of the trauma associated with,

664
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, watching your spouse die and feeling like it's

665
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: your fault, and also adding the mental illness factor, which

666
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: a lot of movies do irresponsibly. But I think that

667
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: this movie like depicts and again it's like I'm obviously

668
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: not a mother either, but from what I can tell,

669
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: just based on the reception, and I did read a

670
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: few kind of one off blog posts from mothers to

671
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: would experienced postpartum depression that this movie really hit with

672
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 1: seems to be almost like a realistic metaphor for this

673
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: particular mental illness, almost to a fault, you know, like

674
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: to like what we're saying to the point where there's

675
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: like kind of plot holes because it is more concerned

676
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 1: or the the agenda of this movie is more concerned

677
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: with depicting postpartum in a metaphor than it is with

678
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 1: having the story that makes a whole ton of sense.

679
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: But I mean that's but I mean that is a

680
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: positive of of Like, Usually mental illness in the horror

681
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: genre is used as kind of like a god in

682
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: the machine kind of thing to explain away, Oh, why

683
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: is he evil? Um, he's bipolar, Like he's schizophrenic, or

684
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: he's dissociative, or like son was taken away and she's mad,

685
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: and you know, kind of these reductive ways of referring

686
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: to mental illness just to keep the story going. But

687
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: this movie kind of does the opposite, where understanding and

688
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: exploring the mental illness is the reason the movie exists

689
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: in the first place, and so that aspect of it

690
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: isn't just cast aside, which is cool. Um. And I

691
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: think we talked a little bit about this on the

692
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: Halloween episode that I believe will coincide pretty closely with

693
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: the release of this Boba Duck episode. So it's either

694
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: about to come out or it just has but we

695
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 1: explore how a lot of horror movies helped perpetuate the

696
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: stigma of mental illness by having killers who are something. Right.

697
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: We mentioned in Halloween where there is a psychiatrist character

698
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: who has been working with the killer Michael Myers since

699
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: his child old hood, and his official medical diagnosis for

700
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: Michael Myers is that he is evil just like al Right,

701
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 1: I wonder if the filmmakers think that having mental illness

702
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 1: is bless you goodness grations. I am expelling many demons

703
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: this time the Boba I just sneezed out the Papa Duke.

704
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: That was the Baba duke Duke Duke. Yeah, anyway, leave

705
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: that in. But yeah, so many films of this genre,

706
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: especially really mishandled a portrayal of mental illness equated with

707
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: being if you experienced any sort of mental illness, sorry,

708
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: you're probably evil. Right and then and again it's as

709
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: I think we were also discussing in the Halloween episode.

710
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: Offenses like this are especially apparent in genres that are

711
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: as campy as horror movies, where like mental illness stigma

712
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: can be found littered throughout media everywhere from Time you

713
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: Know immemorial. But in the less subtle genres. It's easier

714
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: to be like, yes he has he I have a

715
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: prescription for evil and it is shooting you to death.

716
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: That's literally the script that that psychiatrist delivers is the

717
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: only cure for evil's murder, which is I would love

718
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 1: to see that written on a prescription path. But yeah,

719
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: that is I mean to this movie's credit, because I

720
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: I still really like this movie. I think that it's

721
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: it's one of those movies that it's like, it's not

722
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: a horror movie that is scary after the first time

723
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: you watch it. But I remember the first time watching this,

724
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: I was pretty scared. Like when you before you fully

725
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: understand what the Bobba Dick is and what it represents,

726
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 1: and you're just like, what does the Duke's deal? Sure

727
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: give me the duke. Maybe it's weird because when you

728
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: look at a movie like this that is so steeped

729
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: in a very feminine metaphor, you're like, oh, we're gonna

730
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 1: have so much to talk about. But the movie really

731
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: does uh do what it says out to do, and

732
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: you either like it or you don't work for you

733
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: or it doesn't. But in terms of I mean, I

734
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 1: think that this would be an example of a movie

735
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: that absolutely benefits from a woman who understands what she's

736
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: writing about, writing and directing it, because can you imagine

737
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: if a man wrote and directed this, it would just

738
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: be all kinds of like to refer to our carry

739
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: episode is definitely out just like weird, like this is

740
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 1: what a woman would say, right, kind of kind of

741
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: what happens to her body I think and also her

742
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: mind question gush, what when the first period they ever get? Uh,

743
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But like you know, in in that way,

744
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: it's good because that isn't something that really hit for

745
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,439
Speaker 1: me at all. I mean in terms of, like there's

746
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: times where all characters seem to be behaving and reacting

747
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 1: over the top, but in terms of totally missing how

748
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 1: this female character has written. You almost always up until

749
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: the very end, you know, when she's possessed by the

750
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: Babba Duke, you're kind of just like this is a

751
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: good killing dogs. But for the most part, the movie

752
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 1: does a good job of like building a world where

753
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: you understand why she is so frustrated and feels so

754
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: depressed and like the world is closing in on her.

755
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: And definitely yeah, so I mean, hats off to Jennifer

756
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:55,280
Speaker 1: Kent in that regard, I mean for writing a woman's story,

757
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: and also I mean, it's not a last girly kind

758
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,959
Speaker 1: of movie. Is really one woman. Yeah, she's the final

759
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: girl from the start, which brings me to gendering the

760
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: Baba Duke. Why must be gender? The Baba Duke? Why

761
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: must why? Mr Baba Duke? Why did the bob Did

762
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: anyone talk to the Baba Duke about this? The movie

763
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 1: is called The Baba Duke. I think, with with good

764
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: reason is that the Baba Duke never specifies their gender,

765
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: and so it is a rude assumption to assume mail.

766
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: I think that this contributes to a lot of the

767
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: Baba Duke's rage, you know, I just I also wonder

768
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 1: I couldn't find a response from Jennifer Kent about this,

769
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: which I think is kind of a missed opportunity for her,

770
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: Like that's like a whole opportunity to get people to

771
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: watch her movie a second time. The publication that I

772
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: was reading at the time it was published, she hadn't

773
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: commented oh yes here in the Guardian article about it. Um.

774
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: Though director Jennifer Kent is aware of the meme, she

775
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 1: has not commented on it. I'll have to say, I mean,

776
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: I guess like if you're putting yourself in Jennifer Kent's uh,

777
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 1: that is kind of annoying. Okay, you're fun time, Caitlin.

778
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 1: Imagine you use both of your college degrees and you

779
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: spend years writing your first movie. You're also going to direct,

780
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 1: and you know you're really gonna put your heart into it,

781
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,919
Speaker 1: and you make it. It's good, and you get good

782
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: performances and you're like, oh my gosh, this is great.

783
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: Movie does okay in theaters, and then Netflix is like, hey, Caitlin,

784
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: we think you really have something to say here. Your

785
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 1: movie is so well reviewed, we'd love to be on streaming.

786
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: And you're like, oh my god, so many people are

787
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 1: going to see my movie and they're gonna be able

788
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: to take away the message and I'm so thrilled that

789
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: this is happening. And then, by accident, just to switch

790
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: to the narrative a little bit, your movie which is

791
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: about what's your movie about? It's about the struggle of

792
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: being a woman in comedy. Okay, it's a movie about

793
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: the struggle of being a woman in comedy, and Netflix,

794
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: by mistake, puts it under car documentaries, and all these

795
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: car aficionados are like, what why is this here? And

796
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, the movie you put years into,

797
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: they're like, oh my god, car related icon we love.

798
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: And then your character is appearing at all these car

799
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: conventions and you're like, Okay, I'm getting pressed, but I

800
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: feel like my original message has been lost in the

801
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: shuffle a bit. I can understand why she's but I

802
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,439
Speaker 1: still think I'm like, of all communities to be welcome into,

803
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: you know, the queer. You can't do better, definitely, but

804
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: you know, Jeffer Kent, enough time has passed, embrace queer

805
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 1: Baba Duke and and honestly, you know, get the funding

806
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 1: for a sequel, right, Babba Bubba and extremely Babba Duke

807
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: Dukey movie. That's a Green Day documentary? Wait what is

808
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: I did it all for the for the NUCKI nick

809
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: But there's that Green Day album called Dukie Anyways, Uh

810
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 1: that was a miss. Well. I think this episode is

811
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: perfect best I wanted to I don't even know if

812
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: this is worth really talking about what I wanted to

813
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:55,879
Speaker 1: let mention the masturbation scene. Oh I do think that's

814
00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: worth mentioning. Yeah, because it is rare in film to

815
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: see female pleasure, to see self administered female pleasure. They

816
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: never It's always under the coveries. And like, honestly, when

817
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: I was a kid, it literally took me until I

818
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: was in my late teens to even figure out how

819
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: women masturbated at all, because there was no there's no

820
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: book for that. There's no babok, there's no miss there's

821
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 1: no miss Babba duke. What if there's an everybody poops

822
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:36,919
Speaker 1: with the story the babade everybody do masterbase everybody dudes. Yeah,

823
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: well fan art, everyone's got a couple of days to

824
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: kill and wants to make everybody do let us know.

825
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: We'd love to promote it to her. Um. Yeah, anyway,

826
00:55:53,120 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: so the dooking scene, Um, when she's giving herm baba

827
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: a little duke. Yeah, Yeah, she's using a vibrator and

828
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 1: she seems like she nearly reaches orgasm except Samuel comes

829
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: in and interrupted. Right, I think that, I mean, it's

830
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,720
Speaker 1: weird because that seems to be I think in factly

831
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 1: she uses a sex toy is kind of different. But injury,

832
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: I feel like we do see female masturbation fairly frequently

833
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 1: in like thriller, slasher kind of things, and it is

834
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: always followed by something negative. I mean it seems that

835
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: what movie do we recently watched that Carry, there's like

836
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 1: a moment where carries feeling herself and Carry, and there's

837
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: a negative connotation where she scares herself because she doesn't

838
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 1: understand what her body. Happens in teeth, same thing happens

839
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: in teeth. I was thinking to see in Black Swan,

840
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 1: like we see a lot of depictions of women scaring

841
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: themselves by masturbating. Right, there's like feelings of shame almost

842
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: always associated right shame and almost like unfamiliarity of like, oh,

843
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 1: I've never done this before? What the fuck is this?

844
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: Which is fair, but also like you know, for future generations,

845
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: like also show them how to freaking follow through or

846
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: they'll be literally in college like oh how does one

847
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: do that? And they'll think their boyfriend invented kind of

848
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: guess so dumb. Anyways, seeing a sex way and seeing

849
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: someone who knew what they were doing was like hell yeah.

850
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: And then I feel like the ultimate point of that

851
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: scene was like to make it clearer or that she

852
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: can't get a moment's peace right, that her responsibility as

853
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: a mother to her son is always going to take

854
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: precedent over her being able to do anything for herself. Yeah,

855
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: And because I don't really know anything about postpartum depression firsthand,

856
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if a thing like that would exacerbate

857
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: the mental illness. I don't know if because it seems

858
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,959
Speaker 1: like she doesn't have any real opportunity to practice self care,

859
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: so I imagine that that's probably so that's probably making

860
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: her depression worse, or it's certainly not helping with it.

861
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's like different factors that are playing into

862
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: it seems exacerbating the depression that she's experiencing, right, and

863
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: then that means we get to see more Bob a

864
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: Duke on screen. The more depressed she is, the more

865
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: Duck we see. So really the sequel good math problem.

866
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: But so I think that is really all I had

867
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: as far as things to talk about. Yeah, it's it's

868
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: a it's a good I mean, if you want to

869
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: revisit it this holiday season, highly recommend. It's a it's

870
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: a scary movie. If you've never seen it before, give

871
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: it a look. Yeah, give it a baba look, give

872
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: it a yeah. Um, does this movie pass the Bechdel test?

873
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: I'm going to be perfectly honest and say that I

874
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: forgot to pay attention to that part of the movie.

875
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: It does, but it's not an astounding past unless we

876
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: count the Babba Da talking to Amelia and their baba discourse.

877
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: The baba discourse scenes all pass I think Amelia, I

878
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: don't know what gender the dog was, so that would change.

879
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: But if Bucksby it was female identifying, I guess the

880
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: screaming from Amelia and the screaming back from the dog,

881
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,439
Speaker 1: I can't imagine a world in which that conversation would

882
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: have referenced demand. It really seemed like the safety of

883
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 1: a female dog was the subject for discussion. So but

884
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: there was one scene, uh, at least with Amelia and

885
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: Claire where the majority. It's tricky because Amelia's number one

886
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: concern is Samuel, so most of what she talks about

887
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: is about him, But there were there was at least

888
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: a three line exchange at one point where Claire is

889
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: kind of asking Amelia does she need more help? She's

890
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: taking care of herself. There was a senior referencing earlier,

891
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: and Amelia does not answer in verboth ways, but she's

892
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 1: basically just like, I'm fine, I'm fine. Don't worry. I'm fine.

893
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: So it does. It does pass at least once between

894
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: the sisters, but there's certainly opportunities for it to pass more. Also,

895
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: let the Babba Duke speak. Why does the Babba duke.

896
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: The only line the Babba Duke gets when he's inhabiting

897
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: the dead husband vessel is you can bring me the boy. Yeah, right,

898
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: that doesn't pass. That certainly doesn't pass. And then the

899
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: Babba duck saying the Bubba duck's name Babba duck duck

900
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: duck yeah, is iconic the psychotic right because and then

901
01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: Amelia also speaks with Mrs Roach, her neighbor. I think

902
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: almost all of those conversations are directly about Samuel. And

903
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: then also um Claire when she's Amelia and Claire are talking.

904
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: If they're not talking about Samuel, it's also about her

905
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 1: dead husband and how Amelia needs to get over it.

906
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 1: So but yeah, I think there are at least a

907
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 1: few very short exchanges within larger conversations that do pass

908
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: the Bechdel test. So, uh, what would you rate the

909
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 1: movie on her Nipple scale of its treatment of women?

910
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: I suppose I'm hitting the duke. Um hitting the duke

911
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:45,919
Speaker 1: with a three, And the reason I'm hitting the Duke

912
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: with a three is that it represents a uniquely female

913
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: struggle in a way that gives it the seriousness and

914
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: attention it deserves. It does not belittle I mean, Alia

915
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 1: at any point. The story doesn't make you. Even when

916
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: the people in the world are saying Amelia is crazy,

917
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 1: we understand where she's coming from. We understand why she

918
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: feels like the walls are closing in. And so for

919
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 1: people who haven't experienced mental illness, particularly this mental illness,

920
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: it gives you kind of some insight that seems fairly

921
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 1: grounded into what that feels like. And I think that

922
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 1: that's very unique and something that genre films tend to

923
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: do very well because you're just able to amplify elements

924
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: and it doesn't have to be a nuanced representation of

925
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: mental illness. And that's like kind of the point. So

926
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: I think the Amilia character, while it kind of goes

927
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 1: off the rails at the and I agree in terms

928
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: of characterization of her and of Samuel, who suddenly you

929
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: feel bad for even though he's screaming must the movie, uh, well,

930
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: that tracks for me. The main thing that I don't

931
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: that I have a little trouble with is the very

932
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 1: sudden resolution, because if she is supposed to be age,

933
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: you know, struggling with this mental illness, it seems to

934
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: resolve almost instantaneously. And I wish that the ending wasn't

935
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: even there, like the post ending wasn't even there, because

936
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: it seems to be a story of someone struggling with

937
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 1: mental illness. It's not a story of hitting bottom and

938
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: then having to reacclimate into the world. That's a totally

939
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 1: different story and phase of dealing with mental illness. The

940
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: objective of the movie is the show a woman approaching

941
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: her lowest point and getting there to the point where

942
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: she has no choice. You can either die, kill her son,

943
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: or compartmentalize the Bobba Duke like lit like physically. So

944
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 1: flashing forward felt a little I get it, And it

945
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 1: seems kind of like studio notes, e of like there,

946
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: and but it does. I mean, that's just skips such

947
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: a large portion of the metaphor that I almost wish

948
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 1: they just kept it at like someone reaching their lowest

949
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,959
Speaker 1: point with mental illness and then having to be like enough.

950
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: But I I don't know. I I think it is

951
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:15,919
Speaker 1: very unique and tells the story it wants to tell responsibly,

952
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: even if the storytelling a plot wise sometimes gets a

953
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 1: little bit off. It seems good, but there's still women aren't.

954
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 1: I don't know's tricky because Amelia is very intentionally cut

955
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: off from the world around her, but the center of

956
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: her universe still are I would argue two men, her

957
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: son and her deceased husband. And so not only do

958
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 1: we not see her interact with anyone a lot, but

959
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: we don't see her giving the women she does interact with.

960
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: We don't really fully know what she hopes their relationship

961
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: turns into, like what they're It's just kind of, you know,

962
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 1: I would have liked to see more with her and

963
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 1: her sister and exploring that relationship a little bit where

964
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 1: it seems like there was something there but just not

965
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: fully delivered on anyways, The Bobby Duck is a queer icon,

966
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: and I'll give it to three. I kind of want

967
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 1: to give it a three and a half, but there's

968
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 1: I mean, kind of the usual blind spots of besides

969
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,959
Speaker 1: the Bobby Duke, no queer people, uh no people of color.

970
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: This is in southern Australia. I don't know what the

971
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: demographics of it is, but it's worth I guess saying

972
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: that they filmed it entirely on location. Yeah, I don't know.

973
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 1: Three fields right to make given all three to the

974
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: Baba duke. Okay, good because the Baba Duck. Don't know

975
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: if you know this or not, but the Baba duck

976
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 1: has eight nipples. Amazing. This is Bubba duck facts. Melena

977
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 1: plays a bobba. It's just like a weird thing. He

978
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 1: does interesting performance, like, you know, I can do it. Um.

979
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 1: I think I will also land on three nips because,

980
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, her world revolves around two male figures

981
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: in her life, and they and the only person she's

982
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 1: willing to welcome into her life as another man, the crush, right,

983
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: And that might be because like her sister Claire, as

984
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 1: her daughter, Lucy says, we don't go to your house

985
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 1: anymore because it's too depressing. So, which is a very

986
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: funny line. Yeah, there's a great line read by that. Yeah.

987
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 1: So it has some cool things going for it. But also,

988
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: you know, as we pointed out, there's some weird choices

989
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: made at the end. Also, this movie, it is scary,

990
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 1: but the main thing that gives me anxiety about watching

991
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 1: it is just the hat the is like watching Samuel

992
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 1: at the beginning just be like such a misbehaved, rambunctious

993
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: kid who's throwing tantrums and like not listening and like

994
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 1: being very reckless and dangerous with his like sharp weapons

995
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: and stuff. Well maybe that means that like Mr Starziac's

996
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: message would have resonated with you, baby, I wish I had.

997
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 1: Maybe it would have been maybe you would have been

998
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 1: the one to shake the baby. I would hope not.

999
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 1: I don't think you would have. No, I'm not going

1000
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: to shake even a baby doll. God, when the head

1001
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 1: popped off, my life change. Its literally like I'm going

1002
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 1: to be a mother then. Yeah, And I also I

1003
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 1: think it's it's funny, even if it isn't for everyone.

1004
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: The fact that the queer community has sort of co

1005
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 1: opted the Boba duke is one of their own. It's embraced,

1006
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 1: it's funny, it's loving, it's the loor behind it is

1007
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 1: very funny. Yeah, it's great. So three nipples too to

1008
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: Mrs Roach because she just wanted to help. She loved

1009
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: them and she and she was a sweet woman. And

1010
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 1: I'll give my third nipple. Two Okay, give it to

1011
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 1: the dude. The Duke gets my third nipple, give it

1012
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 1: to the doll, give it to give it to the

1013
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 1: four dogs. Another thing, I feel like I need to

1014
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 1: watch this movie like five more times before I get

1015
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 1: like all this before I just like fully appreciated, because

1016
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: I feel like there's things I'm missing or things I'm

1017
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 1: misunderstanding or misinterpreting. I'm also curious if there are viewers

1018
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 1: of this movie of of any gender who are not

1019
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 1: aware of the metaphor of postpartum depression and mental illness

1020
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 1: and who just kind of watched it at face value

1021
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:35,600
Speaker 1: and weird it. Well? It like, is that not that

1022
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 1: much weirder than any other kind of you know, horror

1023
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 1: monster movie? The metaphor behind the Bye Bye Man? Yeah,

1024
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 1: was that the what's the Mr Police? Oh my god?

1025
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 1: The snows polies ain't tried to see her. That was

1026
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 1: the funniest marketing made of all time. That's like, I

1027
01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 1: feel like advertisers really try to make movie mark getting

1028
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 1: meimable now, but Sophie succeed And I hope that was

1029
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 1: an accident. Mr Police. Oh, I gotta look up the

1030
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: list of Mr Police memes now love it anyway, So anyway,

1031
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 1: that is our bob a Duck episode. Uh, feel free

1032
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:24,919
Speaker 1: to you know, hit us with your comments and thoughts

1033
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 1: and everything. Thank you so much for listening. We love

1034
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 1: all of you, folks. We appreciate your all of you

1035
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 1: Boba Ducks out there. I gave you all the clues.

1036
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:45,719
Speaker 1: Tell your friends, tell your other Baba Ducks, and enjoy

1037
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: our upcoming Halloween Town episodes. Yeah, we're rerecording to get

1038
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 1: right now. Wow wow we okay, see you next time.

1039
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:07,600
Speaker 1: I gave you all the clues. By well, there you

1040
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 1: have it, folks. That was our unlocked Matreon episode now

1041
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: on the main feed of the Babba Duck. And like

1042
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 1: we said, we here and there. I think we've maybe

1043
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 1: unlocked like six or so Matreon episodes, but there are

1044
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 1: ever but there are literally a hundred others that are

1045
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 1: only on the Matreon feed, So we really encourage you

1046
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 1: to head over there. It's only five dollars a month.

1047
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 1: It's uh two bonus episodes every single month, and then

1048
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:51,640
Speaker 1: again access to those many many backlogged episodes and you

1049
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 1: can find that at patreon dot com slash Bechtel Cast.

1050
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 1: You're in for a treat, if we do say so ourselves,

1051
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 1: truly in our community. There is so much fun uh

1052
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 1: coming up in the next week. If you're listening to

1053
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 1: this episode the day it comes out, we are covering

1054
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 1: an episode we have getting We've gotten requests on basically

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Speaker 1: weekly since it came out three years ago, which is Midsummer.

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Speaker 1: We did an arid aster movie alright, and it was

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Speaker 1: Caitlin's idea. So head over to the Matreon for a

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Speaker 1: for a fun I was really happy with that episode.

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Speaker 1: I'l like we had a great conversation around it. We've

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Speaker 1: been having some fun convos over in the Matron. I

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Speaker 1: really enjoyed our Top Gun episode from last month. I

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Speaker 1: loved doing mid Summer this month and a little preview

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Speaker 1: for next month, or doing Despicable Me. So because over

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Speaker 1: there Midt, it's Minions March. Caitlin, I truly don't know

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Speaker 1: if you're ready for how prepared I am for that episode.

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Speaker 1: I literally have ordered three novels in Indonesian to prepare

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Speaker 1: for that episode. I can't I just want to be

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Speaker 1: able to unload it all at once. But I'm so excited.

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Speaker 1: Oh right, I can't wait. So if you're also highly

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Speaker 1: anticipating our episode on Despicable Me, head over Tom sit

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Speaker 1: Treon and then well and then we're we're in talks

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Speaker 1: on what the other episode is going to be for

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Speaker 1: minions margin it's none of your business for now, could

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Speaker 1: be anything, um so yes, check us out over on

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Speaker 1: the Matreon and then you can also follow us on

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Speaker 1: social media at Bechtel Cast on Twitter and Instagram. If

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Speaker 1: you if you'd be a deer, why don't you give

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Speaker 1: us a nice little rate and review on wherever you

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Speaker 1: listen to your podcast, Always a treat and look forward

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Speaker 1: to an exciting summer. On the main feed, we have

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Speaker 1: a lot of returning guests, we have a lot of

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Speaker 1: new guests, we have a lot of popularly requested movies,

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Speaker 1: and it's going to be a fun old summer. So

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Speaker 1: we'll we'll talk to you next week. Bye bye ay