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Speaker 1: straight Fire, Fam? It's me Jason McIntyre Straight Fire for Thursday,

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Speaker 1: August twenty And I gotta say I know you guys

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Speaker 1: People are writing stuff in the media. I just ignore

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Speaker 1: and I'm opening the podcast with it because I had

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Speaker 1: we have a great guest today, Bob Harry Sports Illustrated.

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Speaker 1: We're talking golf, Yes live versus p g A, Tiger

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Speaker 1: dumping th ht Brett. That's the previously untouchable Taylor, Horton Tucker,

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Speaker 1: and Stanley Johnson. It was incredible find, incredible find for

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Speaker 1: The Lakers have been doing a great job with these

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Speaker 1: Malik Monk, they did a great job. Stanley Johnson was transcendent.

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Speaker 1: Because I consider Lebron still a point guard unless they're

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Speaker 1: He's not defending wings. What's going on, Lakers? What are

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Speaker 1: You can't add Pat Bev to a team with Russell Westbrook.

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Speaker 1: There has to be another move coming now. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: it'll come out later in this morning, and on this

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Speaker 1: it comes out like you know, ten am. You're listening

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Speaker 1: number was. Two days later, Patrick Beverley finally gets his

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Speaker 1: It's the kind of guy that you play pick up

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Speaker 1: Bob Haring Sports Illustrated. He has covered golfer I don't

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Speaker 1: So let's welcome our guests in Sports Illustrated. It's Bob Herrick.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's welcome into straight fire a guy who

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Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated author. He does it all. Bob, how are

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Speaker 1: If their events are are are good, they'll be talked about.

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Speaker 1: Even if their events um turn out to be you know,

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Speaker 1: not very compelling or or we're not talking about them.

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Speaker 1: I think we'll be talking about him at the Masters

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Speaker 1: because they'll have a bunch of their players and the Masters,

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Speaker 1: oh man, this is not good. So I guess, Bob,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm kind of you know, I started

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Speaker 1: a disruptor a blog back in the day, and um,

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Speaker 1: it worked out great for me and my family, tremendous

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Speaker 1: And did it help media, I don't, probably not, But

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Speaker 1: there was a lot of blogs at the time that

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Speaker 1: we're kind of popping. And I I'm always of the

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Speaker 1: belief that like competition is kind of a good thing

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Speaker 1: and I kind of see that here. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I obviously you've covered the p g A, You've got

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Speaker 1: a lot of relationships there. Do you ultimately think live

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Speaker 1: is a good thing for professional golf? I think I

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Speaker 1: think that's still to be determined. Um. I agree that

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Speaker 1: competition is good. But the problem is we're going to

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Speaker 1: have this disconnect here for a while. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: happen to think that we should have Bryson de Shamble

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Speaker 1: you know, Sergio Garcia and Louis Ustazan and Bubba Watson

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Speaker 1: playing in tournaments with the guys who are here at

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Speaker 1: East Lake, like Rory McElroy and Scottie Scheffler and Jordan Speed.

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Speaker 1: I think they should be playing with these guys. They

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Speaker 1: should all be in the same tournaments, just beyond the

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Speaker 1: majors and all it's going to be as the majors.

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Speaker 1: And so now what you've done, what LIV has done,

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Speaker 1: is they've created this divide. And I think there was

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Speaker 1: a sense that live players could could operate on the

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Speaker 1: p g A tour to some level that for now

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Speaker 1: has been shut off. And I hate to see that,

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Speaker 1: you know, I wish the tour figure out a way

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Speaker 1: to work with them somehow. Uh, any ideas, any ideas

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Speaker 1: that would make that well, uh, you know, today's news

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Speaker 1: might might prevent it from ever happening because they've clearly

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Speaker 1: put a stake in the ground and enhanced their their

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Speaker 1: their situation. But I thought there was a way I've

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Speaker 1: written about this where if if both sides compromise, they

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Speaker 1: could work together. And the way it would be is,

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Speaker 1: instead of playing fourteen events, Live place ten al right,

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Speaker 1: and they play there. They play there their ten fifty

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Speaker 1: four whole forty eight player events, but have access to

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Speaker 1: any PGA Tour they want. They can sign whoever they want,

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Speaker 1: and in exchange for the tour allowing these guys to

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Speaker 1: play with Live, they require those guys to play a

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Speaker 1: minimum ten PGA Tour events. Well, they just said today

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Speaker 1: they're requiring these guys to play twenty, So that would

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Speaker 1: be twenty events. In return. Because Live has so much money,

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Speaker 1: the tour could extract some things from them. They could say, look,

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Speaker 1: why don't you have subsidize the purses of the ten

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Speaker 1: events that you go up against. Why don't you give

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Speaker 1: us three million dollars? So now all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: that's thirty million, which is a drop in the bucket

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Speaker 1: for them. You put three million dollars into the purses

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Speaker 1: opposite live events. Now the guys who aren't and live

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Speaker 1: get to play for a lot more money. If there's

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Speaker 1: an eight million dollar person, it goes to eleven. You know, then,

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Speaker 1: because the Live Tour would inevitably get some sort of

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Speaker 1: a TV contract, you know, the tour tour members um,

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Speaker 1: they have to get permission to play opposite tour events,

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Speaker 1: which obviously the tour will be giving them. But part

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Speaker 1: of that is their media rights. If if if you

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Speaker 1: play golf in an an event outside of the PGA Tour,

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Speaker 1: the PGA Tour extracts a fee. So the tour could clearly,

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Speaker 1: you know, get some sort of a fee from Live

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Speaker 1: for its players being allowed to play over there. In

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Speaker 1: other words, they could enhance their bottom line. They could

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Speaker 1: have all their players playing. You know, a lot of

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Speaker 1: these live guys aren't gonna be wouldn't have been playing

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Speaker 1: in the opposite events anyway. You know, they weren't gonna

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Speaker 1: be playing that next week there is no PGA Tour event.

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Speaker 1: When they play in Boston two weeks after that is

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Speaker 1: the PGA Tours um event in NAPA. A lot of

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Speaker 1: those guys would have skipped it anyway, so you weren't

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Speaker 1: exactly gonna be missing, you know, these guys from these

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Speaker 1: tournaments anyway, but now you at least get them back

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Speaker 1: for the Players Championship, the Memorial, the Genesis, you know,

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Speaker 1: but as it is now, they're not allowed to play

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Speaker 1: in them, and I just don't, you know, I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure that's a great thing for golf going forward. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you know, like you mentioned a TV deal potentially

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Speaker 1: for Live if they get one in a year or two,

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Speaker 1: that's that's also gonna be pretty bad news for p

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Speaker 1: G A because some of the some of the names

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Speaker 1: they have, the wattage of the Dustin Kept, even Bryson

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Speaker 1: du Chambo, the hate watching, if you will, that that

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Speaker 1: could be a problem of the PGA. Now, yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: if they don't come to an agreement with them, I do,

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Speaker 1: because I still think they're going to continue to bleed players.

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Speaker 1: Even if you're offering a guy fifty million dollars. Come on,

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Speaker 1: like we're almost we're almost numb to the numbers already,

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Speaker 1: you know, Like you know, the guy who wins the

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Speaker 1: FedEx Cup this week is gonna win eighteen million dollars. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's one guy. The second place guy I believe gets seven. Okay.

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Speaker 1: You know, like I said, Scottie Scheffler, one is going

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Speaker 1: to win fourteen or fifteen million prize money this year.

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Speaker 1: Most guys win two or three million. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: not huge money. And I know people say, well, you

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Speaker 1: know they have endorsements. Yeah, well, major League Baseball players

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Speaker 1: have endorsements, and they have every bit of their travel

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Speaker 1: paid for. You know, they get per diem on the

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Speaker 1: road for goodness sake, you know, a hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: bucks a day. They stay in five star hotels, They

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Speaker 1: travel on a private plane. A PGA tour player goes

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Speaker 1: from events on a private plane. He's paying for it.

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Speaker 1: He's also spent him. He's also paying for his hotel,

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Speaker 1: his caddie, his trainer, his his therapist, his coach. You know,

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Speaker 1: you as a as a pro aft that you have

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Speaker 1: access to all that stuff through the team. So again,

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Speaker 1: you know, I've become a depth. I think it arguing

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Speaker 1: both sides. If you if you gave me a a

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Speaker 1: debate topic and you told me which side had to argue.

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Speaker 1: I think you could argue either one. I've just tried

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Speaker 1: to understand, you know, why live couldn't happen, why it's viable,

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Speaker 1: and the arguments that they have. But I certainly understand

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Speaker 1: the PGA Tour's point of view. They've been around for

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Speaker 1: over fifty years. They give a lot of money to charity,

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Speaker 1: They go into a lot of communities to create economic benefit.

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Speaker 1: There is a pay structure that's very lucrative if you perform.

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Speaker 1: So you know, there's two sides to it. But uh,

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Speaker 1: like you said, competition is good and I think it

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Speaker 1: really helped the PGA Tour up it's game here today. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I love this stuff. Bob. Bob Bob Herrick as sports

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Speaker 1: Ill's trained, Great, great information, great uh forward thinking, uh

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Speaker 1: golf talk. I like this. It's a great time. I

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Speaker 1: don't think he's going away anytime soon, Bob. So thanks

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Speaker 1: for taking the time and now we'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 1: It's great. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.