WEBVTT - Symone Sanders & Amanda Litman 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:04.200 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:07.160 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:11.719 today's best minds, and Hikeim Jeffries will lead the Democrats 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:13.320 in Congress once again. 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:15.760 We have such a great show for you today. 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:21.440 MSNBC's The Weekend host Simone Sanders stops by to talk 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:26.320 to me about what the Democrats can do differently and 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:28.440 what they're doing right and what they're doing wrong. 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:30.600 It's a fun conversation. 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:34.360 Then we will talk to Run for Something's Amanda Lippman 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:38.479 about all of these small victories that you may not 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:39.120 have heard of. 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:40.640 But first the news. 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:43.400 So Molly, every once in a while we get a 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:45.920 new word in the lexicon that you just go that 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:48.839 one's going to stick around for a while. And yesterday 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:51.880 I learned the term brologarchy. What are you seeing here 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:52.959 with the brolagarchy. 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:57.960 Brologarchy is a word for oligarchy. But because all of 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:02.360 these people, unsurprising are divorced. 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:04.200 Men, it's the bloarchy. 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:07.480 Some of them are not divorced yet, perhaps they won't be, 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:09.240 but perhaps they will be. 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:12.080 It's a really good article in the Guardian about how 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:16.480 to survive the Brologarchy Twenty Lessons for the Post truth World. 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:19.120 We should say it's by Carol Cadwell Oder. 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:22.039 The point is it's a really smart piece and it's 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:23.400 quite funny, and. 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:28.680 It also she was sued. You'll remembered she has been. 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:31.920 Victimized by some of these big conglomerates and she's really 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.360 smart and you should definitely read this piece in the Guardian. 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:37.840 Mike, I know many times we're talking to people that 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:40.440 are thinking about where they might move because they're afraid 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:44.080 of mister Trump's fascist tendencies. There's an Italian village try 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:46.040 to entice people. What do you see it here? 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:48.560 First of all, no one should move. Everything is going 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:51.559 to be fine. This will be a very annoying four years, 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:53.560 but we'll get through it. That's what I need to 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:56.600 say first. Also, we find this adorable, which is why 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:59.480 we put it in here. Many communities around the world 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:01.400 have been and wondering what to make. 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:02.720 Of Donald Trump's reelection. 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:06.640 A village on the Italian island of Sardinia, where my 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:11.600 mother and her third husband went for their honeymoon, is 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:15.600 looking at this as a potential opportunity. They have said 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:19.200 that they will you can move into these dilapidated houses. 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:22.639 You can buy them for just over one euro, and 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:24.200 then you can renovate them. 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:25.280 It's launched a. 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:29.040 Website for would be expats more cheap homes. And look, 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:32.280 this is because as much as the Trumpers want you 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:35.160 to think, I did not just clip the website and 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:37.640 I'm not just browsing houses now. I just want to 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:39.760 point out, but as much as the Trumpers would like 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:41.680 you to think that there are too many people in 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:45.440 this world, there actually a lot of these countries are 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:48.359 really having trouble finding people to live in them, despite 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.600 how lovely they are. And so I just want you 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:54.520 to feel a little better and to know that if 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:57.200 worst comes to worse, we can always live in dilapidated 0:02:57.200 --> 0:02:58.800 homes in Italy for one dollar. 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:01.040 Well, I'm going to keep that in my back pocket. 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:06.160 I guess me too. Let's talk some brighter news here. 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:10.519 We previously had a judge John from North Carolina, Justice 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:14.400 Alison Riggs, and a very interesting thing happened. This is 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:17.800 a crucial race that will determine who controls the Supreme 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:20.760 Court North Carolina, and she is pulled ahead by twenty 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:23.160 four votes as of Sunday night. As they try to 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:25.960 keep the Supreme Court majority there. So this is heading 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:28.359 for a recount and she's going to need the fundraise 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:29.680 on this. What are you seeing? 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:32.640 So I think the lesson here is don't ever say 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:36.040 that your vote doesn't matter, right, Don't ever say that, 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:39.680 because in fact, your vote absolutely does matter. And this 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:43.560 is a great example of that. The North Carolina Supreme 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:47.760 Court could come down to twenty four votes right now, 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:51.800 she is leading Justice Riggs by twenty four votes. It's 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:54.720 so close that it's going to recount. But it's really 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:57.120 important to realize, Like as much as all of this 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:01.800 feels very frustrating and feels very crazy, every vote matters. 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:06.360 Every single vote matters, every door knock, every you know, 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:10.520 all the stuff that people do to get out the vote, 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:13.920 it all matters. And you know, if Justice Riggs wins, 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:17.800 they won't be able to, you know, enact partisan jerrymandering 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:19.800 in the state. I actually don't know what's happening in 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:21.799 North Carolina right now at the state level. 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.080 Well, they turn very blue, right. 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:27.240 Keeping this seat will keep the balance of power and 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:32.920 prevent the Republicans, the Purple State Republicans, from enacting crazy, destructive, 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:38.279 discriminatory legislation. And that is why every single vote matters, 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:40.760 not even just in North Carolina. 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:43.359 Somalie, I'm going to shock you here two of my 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:48.240 least favorite congress people, Representive Nancy Mason, Representative MPG, are 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:52.640 targeting Presentative Sarah McBride, one of the newest members of Congress, 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:55.560 who is our first openly transgender person in Congress. What 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:55.920 do you see? 0:04:56.240 --> 0:05:00.080 So this is a really good example of why small 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.240 dollar donations are poisoning the Republican Party. 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:04.960 Marjorie Taylor Green, who's. 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:10.240 Become a sort of icon of MAGA really destructive mega policy. 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:13.080 I think this was started by Nancy Mace. 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:17.599 Nancy Mayce has really is like constantly auditioning to be 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:21.480 a mini MTG, so she wanted to make a law 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:25.440 saying that this new congresswoman couldn't use the ladies bathroom. 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:28.600 By the way, first of all, this is ridiculous theater, right, 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:31.559 this is what this is theater. This is MAGA trying 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:34.440 to raise money, trying to get their base excited, and 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:39.920 targeting a transperson. So I'm not that surprised. It's really disturbing. 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:42.960 It's also just like so stupid, like this is not 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:45.120 what the federal government is for and. 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:47.800 Voters hate this. That's the other thing is normal voters 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:48.120 hate this. 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:51.760 They don't want to punish a member of Congress for 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:56.400 what bathroom she uses. So anyway, but you know, Nancy 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:59.120 Mace is hoping to get attention from the MAGA world, 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:01.680 to get on show, to get on Fox News, to 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:04.320 get Trump to pay attention to her, and that's what 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:19.200 this is. Simone Sanders is the host of MSNBC's The Weekend. 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.600 Welcome to Fast Politics. 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:23.679 Simone, happy to be here. 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:25.080 I wanted you on. 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:30.840 The podcast right away because when the post twenty twenty 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:35.120 four circular firing squad started, you were one of the 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:38.800 few people who seemed to me to be trying to 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:42.640 figure out actually what happened, as opposed to just blaming people. 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:45.920 Yeah. Well, first of all, I appreciate you molling. I'm 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:49.760 a fan, longtime listener, not a first time callergy. Not yes, 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:53.440 exactly going, but yeah, look I think that, and I mean, 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:55.479 you know, to be there, I had a little The 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:57.960 blame I did have was for people to continue to 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:00.159 go out there and talk about, you know, what they 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:02.880 feel like would have happened, if you know, other things 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:05.359 would have happened, like for me specifically, that was Speaker 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:08.840 murder Pelosi, but like in general, I think that and 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:11.960 perhaps it's the former you know, strategist in me, but 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:16.920 when campaigns happen and you lose, particularly in the way 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:21.600 that Democrats across the board lost in twenty twenty, and 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:23.320 let's just be very clear, it was still close, right, 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:25.240 but you know, you can't say for months it's the 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:28.680 consequential election and then not win the consequential election and 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:31.119 then not you know, do some introspection. So I feel 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:34.720 like that that's really important because there's an election next 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:37.000 year in Virginia for governor's race, and then there are 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:40.160 midterm elections and then there'll be another presidential So you 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:43.000 can't just move forward and say uh no, no one 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:45.280 needs to talk about it, just got to go forward and. 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:47.600 Get the things done. 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:50.480 No, you actually have to say, okay, well what happened here, 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:52.520 and let's ask the voters. 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:54.800 Yes, I think that's totally right. 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:56.760 I think your point that you can't say it's the 0:07:56.760 --> 0:08:00.840 most consequential election of our lifetime and then be like mah, right. 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:04.160 But there were also Democrats overperformed in some places, right, 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:07.760 or they had this not overperformed because they the winds, 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:12.080 the anti partisan winds were strong, but anti incumbent wins 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:15.280 were very strong. But there were certain places where Democrats 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:17.520 were able to keep a Senate seat and lose the 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:22.120 presidential which split ticket voting is something that in highly 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:24.000 partisan times we don't usually have. 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:27.280 Yeah, but I mean, like to that point, for months 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:30.240 we had heard, oh, people do not split their tickets. 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:33.120 And it's like, why were people saying that? Did they 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:36.800 ask any any of the voters? And I mean, given 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:39.880 what had happened in the midterm election and also in between, 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:44.600 I'm thinking about the ballot measures in Kansas, the ballot 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:45.840 measures in Ohio. 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:49.760 Right, there are not enough I'm from Nebraska, baby, ain't. 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:55.000 Enough enough Democrats in Kansas to have codified the reproductive 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:58.200 freedom measures, right, So that meant Republicans voted for it. 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:01.720 In Ohio, again, not enough Democrats in the state. Maybe 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:04.360 to get it done, people who identify as independent or 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:06.720 Republicans had to have voted for it. And so we 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:10.400 had indications frankly earlier on that people were willing to 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:12.160 split their tickets to vote for this. 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:14.720 Thing over here and then vote for a. 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:18.679 Candidate that perhaps not even perhaps that in many respects 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:20.800 in some of the Republican candidates, not all of them, 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:24.880 but Republican candidates whom, by way of their votes or 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:27.640 the policies that they instituted, whether they be a governor, 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:31.559 an attorney general right or a state legislative member or 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:36.360 member of Congress, by something that they did as a 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:39.880 function of their job, created the situation to where the 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:42.400 voters had to go and make their voices heard at 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:44.120 the ballot box in terms of the ballot measure. But 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:46.920 I think one of the lessons that we know right 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:50.920 now coming out of this twenty twenty four election is 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.480 that the voters have not always connected the people to 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:56.000 the ballot measures. In some places they did, but in 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:58.720 some places they didn't. They're very clear about these ballot 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:02.360 measures and what they believe their rights and whatnot should be, 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.360 but they are not as clear about making a connection 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:08.000 between the people on. 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:08.719 The ballot i e. 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:12.520 The elected officials and that ballot measure. So that to me, 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:15.000 it says, Okay, there's work to do there. But I mean, 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:16.959 like that's something that you weren't going to hear in 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:19.160 the nuance. In the aftermath, some people were just like ah, 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.200 too woke and I'm like, please, where what are we doing? 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:25.200 Yeah, And it did feel like a lot of people 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:28.440 were just using this election to confirm their priors. 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:29.679 Yes, yes I do. 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:32.440 And the well when when we say people, when I 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:34.679 say yes I do, I feel like some of the 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:39.199 pundent people and some of the strategists, Yeah, they're using 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:42.320 the election results in the aftermaths without asking any questions 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.000 to say, see, I told you these you know, progressive 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:47.160 WoT issues weren't going to get it done. And it's 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:50.760 frustrating to me as someone who again spent a long 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.600 time as strategists, but you know, for the last couple 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:57.559 of years, has been reporting on this from the seat 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:00.720 of the anchor chair and going out there talking to voters. 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:05.800 That's not what Democratic candidates and Democratic aligned candidates ran 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:08.439 on and talked about. They didn't talk about quote unquote 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:12.679 culture war issues. The Republican candidates ran on the culture 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:13.600 war issues. 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:15.839 And so to diagnose the. 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:19.439 Issue as ah, these Democrats believed in this stuff over 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:22.640 here it's not popular is like woefully missing the mark, 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:23.679 and I think it's lazy. 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:27.480 Well, the thing that I was struck by, which I 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:32.679 think is pretty interesting, it's like we have these candidates 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:35.880 like here we are doing a post op with policy 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:38.679 like going, well, you know this policy was a loser, 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:40.160 of that policy was a winner. 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:42.439 But Trump didn't run on policy. 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:44.840 Thank you, Molly, Molly. Where is the policy? 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:46.480 I was at a dinner yesterday as we had this 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:50.200 conversation and someone with whom I respect very much was 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:53.080 saying to me, you know, the media didn't talk enough 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:54.960 about I blame the media. And I was like, do 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:57.800 you really and they're like, yes, I blame the media. 0:11:57.840 --> 0:11:59.920 I said, Okay, tell me why. They said, the media 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:03.320 and talk enough about Trump's policy. They just talked about 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.680 the fear and that's why people were crying the day 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:09.280 after election day who were not happy about the result. 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.160 And I said, okay, let me just back up and 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:15.400 say that for people who are scared, I understand their fear, 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:18.120 and maybe the tears were just about like, damn it, 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.840 I'm not trying to join the resistance again, and I'm 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:24.040 not trying to go back to you know, legislation by 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:26.400 you know, tweet or whatever we're calling them now. 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:28.160 So maybe that's some of that I said, But also, 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.040 what was the policy? I said, what was the policy? 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:31.720 Is the policy? 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:35.080 Tariffs, because I know a lot of media folks and 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.000 the media apparatus had talked about the tariffs. 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:39.160 I was like, I don't even think he understands tariffs. 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:42.000 Yeah, I said, so, you know, to say that the 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:46.360 people didn't talk about the policy, the reality is there 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:48.720 wasn't a policy, and we talked about that. 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:51.000 But I do think it's important to know. 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:54.080 One of the things again is we talk about, like, well, 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:57.080 what happened, and then what does this mean for the 0:12:57.120 --> 0:12:59.720 party that's now out of power, the Democratic Party apparatus. 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:02.400 I think that one of the things is an acknowledgment 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:07.000 that the conversations are taking places in many different spaces nowadays. 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:11.000 I continue to maintain that television is important because when 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.120 something happens in the world, you do not go to 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:15.880 your favorite podcast to figure out what the freak just happened. 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.599 You turn on the TV. So, but it is not 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:21.000 the only place. And I think that because it's not 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.320 the only place. In the fractured media environment that we 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:27.839 live in, people's understanding of what is and is not 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:32.319 happening is very or or what the facts are frankly, 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:35.440 are not the same across the board. The baselines are 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:40.440 very different. And so depending on how someone consumes the 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:42.640 news or if they like to consume the news at all, 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:46.400 and maybe their news consumption is literally on Instagram, which 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:48.000 is for a lot of people. 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.120 Yeah, it is, which is retally scary. 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.480 I don't believe that everybody that voted for Donald Trump 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:55.520 right that they voted for all of these things. 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:57.360 I don't think that everyone was actually aware. 0:13:57.400 --> 0:13:59.839 I think there are different levels of voters and different 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.040 levels of understanding that people didn't didn't have that that 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:04.600 doesn't resolve them from what it is. 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:05.400 About to go down. 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:08.680 I think that that acknowledgement is really important, and also 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:11.320 the acknowledgment that there are also millions of people that 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:13.840 stayed home, and then why did they stay home? I 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:16.760 think that those people deserve the treatment and the diners 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.280 that folks that voted for Donald Trump got in twenty sixteen. 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:21.600 I want people to go to the black barbershops and at. 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:24.760 Rural places in North Carolina and in some of the 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:28.160 more rural areas of Atlanta and asked some of these 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:33.640 working class black and brown people why they did not vote. 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:35.920 Yeah, why do you think they didn't vote? 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:37.880 I've asked some people, and I've gotten a range of answers. 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:39.960 Some fosts have said that they and this is what 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:42.640 I had heard prior to the election, and it's consistent 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:44.400 with what I've heard after, that they didn't think that 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:47.520 they're vote mattered, right Jesus, that they didn't think that 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:50.520 they're vote mattered. Some people said that it's not going 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:53.680 to make a difference where they live. Other people said 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:56.880 that they were just sped up, they were tired, and 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.520 some other people said, well, you know, nobody came and 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:01.720 talked to me. And then there were some people that 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:04.920 did participate in the election, and I know some people 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:07.160 that left the top of the ticket blank. I've also 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.120 talked to some voters that did check that box for 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:12.320 Donald Trump. So there's a range of things. But with 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:15.000 people are saying that they don't believe that their vote matters, 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:17.120 that they don't think it's going to make a difference, 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:19.040 that nobody came and spoke to them. 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.200 To me, that says that. 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:24.520 There is work to do there, that those are gettable 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:27.560 voters to me, and the Democrats need to figure out 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:31.560 what they can do to go back and talk to 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:34.880 those people who previously had come out for them and 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:38.400 pass elections and then decided not to participate this time, 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:41.200 like people really feeling like they don't have they don't 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:41.920 have the power. 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:44.680 It's something that was very prevalent in this election. 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:46.880 But I would just know when I said this after 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:50.400 the vice presidential debate, I was quite I think critical harsh, 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:54.000 some would say in my analysis of the debate between 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:57.600 Senator now vice president like jd Vance and Governor Wallas 0:15:57.840 --> 0:15:59.760 And you know, I'm just kind of like, because y'all 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:02.880 the are y'all talking to actual people, because actual people 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:06.000 who want are not convinced that they're going to participate 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:08.240 in this election. I said that, I said, actual like 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:11.480 base Democratic votes need to be persuaded too. And the 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:13.680 idea that like people were just going to come out 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:16.200 and vote because they understood the threat of Trump right 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:18.320 or reproductive rights or just because there was a black 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:20.640 woman at the top of the ticket was woefully like, 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:23.960 I just think not smart, And I want to know 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:26.920 why some of the strategies and people made those decisions 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:28.800 and thought that people would just come out and vote, 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:31.160 Like when did when do people think that people of 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:33.000 color only need to be persuaded with white people at 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:34.800 the top of the Democratic ticket, Because if that's the 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:37.120 case I got a bridge, I want to sell you 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:39.800 off the coast of Florida, right where hurricanes happened. 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:40.840 Right then, Yeah, I. 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:44.640 Want to talk about this because I was also this decision. 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:47.000 We're going to have competing dinner party stories. 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:49.280 I would at a dinner party with a lot of 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:53.360 political people, very smart and days were talking about how 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:55.920 Democrats lost, and I said, well, you know, it does 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:58.280 seem like when you look at these numbers, that the 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:02.000 base didn't turn out. And everyone was like, and I said, 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:05.760 you know, maybe perhaps, and I offered a few possible 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:09.800 explanations for why. You know, the two million people who 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:12.119 could have had her win the popular you know, the 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:16.240 twenty twenty turnout would have won this election. Right, So 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:19.119 Biden's twenty twenty turnout would have won this election. And 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:22.600 Biden's twenty twenty turnout includes some parts of the Democratic 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:25.520 base who clearly did not come out. And I said, well, 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:28.520 you know, instead of trying to convert voters, which is 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.359 clearly kind of a losing game, because she went around 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:33.680 with Liz Cheney, who was very brave, but at the 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.480 end of the day, the Democratic base is not for 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:39.760 Liz Cheney. Right, That's the neocons, and that's a pretty 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:43.320 small group. And I said, you know, perhaps maybe taking 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:45.720 care of the base and some of their concerns when 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:48.119 it comes to any number of things that may not 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:48.600 have been. 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:52.680 Addressed, would be useful. And everyone just looked at me baffled. 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:57.119 Really same alling, that's because you talk to actual people. 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:00.560 And so because you talk to actual people, you are 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:03.680 sometimes what you say seems foreign to people that are 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:07.560 only talking to people that go on TV and folks 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:09.800 that you know, haven't been to the Costco and lord 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:12.760 knows how long and Instagart and Amazon Fresh all their groceries. 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:15.159 The reality is you are correct. Now, let me just 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:15.520 say this. 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:18.360 When the vice president was doing the tour with former 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:20.359 congress Woman Cheney, someone that I used to work with 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:22.040 called me and they were like, are you watching this 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:23.280 right now? And I said, oh, let me time to 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:25.320 TV on. So I've turned the TV and I'm like, yes, yes, yes, 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:26.960 and they're like, what do you think. I said, well, 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:29.080 I actually don't have a problem with this. Frankly, I 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:31.040 think it's right. I think it's a good bit. I 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:34.800 think it's good lair. I think that people would love 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:39.000 if the Vice president also did this for base voters. 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:42.119 Like what people saw and you know, as someone again 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:44.959 who who'll spent a lot of time in my former 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:49.320 life within the Democratic Party apparatus working campaigns, you cannot 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:53.159 go into communities and broadcast on television like what people 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:57.479 saw and gleaned from all of this is that, Oh, 0:18:57.680 --> 0:19:00.400 look at the vice president and the campaign and Democrats, 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:02.560 because really what it is they say Democrats and they 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:04.440 just Democrats just to catch off for all of them. 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:08.320 Look at them taking questions and talking to Republican white 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:10.480 people that I mean. 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:12.879 That's because that's what it looks like. 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:15.880 She took She went around the country Molly and took 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.720 question She did a very few town halls, and when 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:22.320 she did do them that the campaign orchestrated themselves. It 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:23.960 was she was sitting there with the Liz Cheney and 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:27.080 then took questions from white voters and battleground states and 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:31.040 never did that for based Democratic voters. The campaign went 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:34.280 into Philadelphia, did a did a barbershop talk and then 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:37.080 didn't bring the press, Like what is going on? They 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:39.919 recorded it for themselves, edited it and put it out 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:40.919 where nobody watched it. 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:41.639 Yeah. 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:43.800 What another thing that I want to talk to you 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:47.360 about with this election. Was one of the things that 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:51.359 I noticed is that this White House, the Biden White House, 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:55.000 did this thing where they became intentionally boring in order 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:58.200 to avoid coverage. It made sense in the beginning, right, 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:00.720 but then at some point they like, why. 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:01.760 Is no one covering us? 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:04.879 And it was too late, and so all of a 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:07.280 sudden they were like, no, no, we did all this 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:10.040 good stuff and none of you covered it. And I 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:12.080 think that at the end of the day, like all 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:14.960 Donald Trump does is PR right, he is out there 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:18.560 doing pr PR, PR PR. Is he lying, for sure, 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:22.480 but PR PR PR. And then we had the Harris 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:25.680 campaign and they were as tight as the Biden White House, 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:28.040 and they did so few interviews and they did so 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:30.200 little of this and so little of that. And Trump 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:32.280 was out there and again he didn't need to be 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:35.560 on cable news, right, he could just be on podcasts, 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:37.679 but he was out there for hours and hours and 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:41.560 hours on every fucking thing, and really, really, really, I 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:43.840 think helped him, and it. 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:45.760 Was too late for her in some ways. 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:49.360 Well, I guess two things. One, and you know, folk 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:51.240 out there may have forgotten. I used to work at 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:52.679 the Biden White House, right, I was there for the 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:53.200 first year. 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:55.720 Sorry, I don't mean to criticize you, but. 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:59.119 Some of the criticism is absolutely warranted because the president 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:02.879 did not prioritize the importance of Again, as we just 0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:05.200 talked about, like people, when something happens in the world, 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:07.399 people still turn on the television, Like the TV is 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:09.359 still important. It's not the only place, but it is 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:11.760 still a place that is very, very, very important. I 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:14.359 think the president's team did not prioritize the importance of 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:17.159 putting him on television and putting him out there right like. 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:19.800 He did not do a lot of interviews, not with 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:22.720 traditional media and not with the non traditional media apparatus. 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:24.679 I think that that is a function of it. But 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:27.560 I do think that the media apparatus they did cover 0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:31.720 what the administration was doing. I think the real problem 0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:35.280 is is how the administration talked about it from the beginning, 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:38.520 all the way once they achieved things, all the way 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:42.280 through like the election, and the reality is is that 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:44.520 again and this is why I talk about people that 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:46.240 don't go to Costco haven't been to the Costco in 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:48.280 a minute of its card at groceries. From the very 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:50.280 beginning when I was at the White House, they were 0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:53.000 talking about transitory inflation. I remember coming out of a 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:56.040 meeting and you know, when I worked at the White House, 0:21:56.080 --> 0:21:58.160 I was I would, you know, my team would write 0:21:58.160 --> 0:21:59.800 the talking points for the Vice President and when we 0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:01.960 go and brief heart. I remember going into a briefing 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:04.160 and meeting and noting that, you know, giving the Vice 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:07.360 president what the administration language is, and then that our 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:10.280 suggestion is is that we don't use the term transitory inflation. 0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:13.000 From our perspective, for you, ma'am, we don't think you 0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:15.080 need to even talk about transitory inflation because what is that? 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:18.440 But also I personally think it's needed people. But also 0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:20.720 it's not true. The inflation wasn't transitory. 0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:23.119 It was real, but they didn't know that because they 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:25.680 weren't going to the grocery store. So part of it 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:27.720 is is that the way that it was things were 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:31.399 being talked about were just flying in the face of 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:32.640 what people were experiencing. 0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:34.720 It is absolutely true. 0:22:35.080 --> 0:22:37.000 And if you look at you, I mean the president, 0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:39.520 as we had this conversations at the G twenty and 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:43.520 when I talk to my former counterparts in other countries, 0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:45.760 you know, the former the spokespeople, well, now some of 0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:47.840 them are still the spokespeople, but the current spokespeople I'm 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:51.960 former in other countries and the diplomats and whatnot. People 0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:56.600 particularly in Europe, wish to have America's recovery because it 0:22:56.760 --> 0:22:59.520 did recover the fastest out of all the G twenty 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:02.800 countries COVID from inflation, Like America's not dealing with what. 0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:05.400 Some of the other countries are are are still reeling from. 0:23:05.680 --> 0:23:07.080 Yeah, because we have immigrants. 0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:11.160 Well, come on, Molly, now it's something we didn't help 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:13.080 the situation. Yeah, in the Europe. 0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:15.239 So I say that to say that, like when the 0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:18.399 President and others and people within the administration would say 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:21.560 the you know, wager growth is up and the you know, 0:23:21.720 --> 0:23:24.919 the fastest, the best GDP record GDP growth and the 0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:28.320 fastest recovery. All of that is true okay on paper, 0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:31.439 but like, what does record GDP growth mean for someone 0:23:31.440 --> 0:23:34.520 in north Omaha, Nebraska who's still working two jobs and 0:23:34.960 --> 0:23:37.399 struggling to you know, pay a bills like when the 0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:39.640 rent is too damn high and so On one hand, 0:23:39.680 --> 0:23:41.199 I think that it was too there was too much 0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:45.160 of a focus on the administration getting credit for the 0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:48.359 real work that has been done right the Internet that 0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:51.359 has been laid across the communities, the record, infrastructure projects, 0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:54.200 all of that is great. Yes, yes, and when the record, 0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:56.679 when the history books recorded, Joe Biden is going to 0:23:56.720 --> 0:23:59.639 be one of the greatest American presidents because what is 0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:01.959 mine stration has done is remarkable. 0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:03.600 However, the rent. 0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:07.399 Too damn high, the housing is unattainable, and grow the 0:24:07.440 --> 0:24:09.880 bacon is nine dollars, So like, can we talk about 0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:12.000 doing some about the nine dollar bacon? What about the housing? 0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:14.719 Even though the administration was doing those was they were 0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:18.480 working on those things. The appraisals, right, the discriminatory appraisal process, 0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:20.040 they were working on all of that, but they were 0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:22.920 not talking about it. So the Vice president's campaign pops 0:24:23.000 --> 0:24:24.959 up and she's like, well, you know, we're gonna take 0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:27.800 on price gouging. And I think that that's like that 0:24:27.800 --> 0:24:31.000 that is more of an answer to what the American 0:24:31.000 --> 0:24:33.080 people were dealing with right now. She talks about her 0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:36.520 housing plan. However, maybe one of the one of the 0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:39.280 things the takeaways is maybe how she talked about it 0:24:39.280 --> 0:24:41.040 did not resonate as much and needed more of a 0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:43.880 populus twist. And so instead of like price gouging, it's 0:24:43.920 --> 0:24:46.200 like the companies are taking advantage of you. They raised 0:24:46.200 --> 0:24:48.840 the prices during COVID. Okay, COVID's over and the price 0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:51.359 is still up. It's like, yes, dam you right down, 0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:54.040 they're greedy. But that's not how it was put forward. 0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:56.879 But I would just say that you cannot This is 0:24:56.920 --> 0:24:59.399 a long way be saying. In elections, you have to 0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:01.359 make a decision. And as you said earlier, you were like, 0:25:01.359 --> 0:25:03.560 you know, I don't know if these were turnable voters 0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:06.080 in terms of these you know, the who are the 0:25:06.119 --> 0:25:07.560 who was the list Chandey voters that was going to 0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:09.640 vote for Colin Harris. You have to make a decision 0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:12.360 in the campaigns, especially when a finite amount of time. 0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:13.840 Do you want to be right or do you want 0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:16.120 to win? Do you want people to see your perspective. 0:25:16.119 --> 0:25:18.320 Do you want to win them over to that old 0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:20.280 the economy is actually better than what you think it is. 0:25:20.560 --> 0:25:21.240 Or do you want to win? 0:25:21.400 --> 0:25:22.800 And if you want to win, you need to meet 0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:25.560 the voter where they are, understand where the voter is, 0:25:25.800 --> 0:25:27.800 and earn their vote. And I think for far too 0:25:27.840 --> 0:25:31.560 long the calculus was if we just tell people they 0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:33.960 just we just got to explain it more bid. 0:25:33.880 --> 0:25:34.879 Nomics, what the hell is that? 0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:35.680 I said. 0:25:36.600 --> 0:25:40.040 I was like, leave, what is bionomics? They can't explain it? 0:25:40.480 --> 0:25:44.280 Reagan nomics rom Reagan didn't name his stuff. Okay, he 0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:48.960 didn't do that. The press coin the term after the fact. 0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:52.080 So also, when people say, oh, they don't like the economy, 0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:54.720 I don't believe that they don't like Joe Biden's policies, 0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:56.560 because Joe Biden's economic policies are good. 0:25:56.720 --> 0:25:59.040 Write thirty five dollars cap on insulin. 0:25:58.800 --> 0:26:01.760 Job creation, like, we're making stuff in America now, literally 0:26:02.000 --> 0:26:04.879 infrastructure we can manufacture in this back in America. However, 0:26:05.119 --> 0:26:08.040 what people associated with Bidenomics is inflation and all this 0:26:08.119 --> 0:26:09.479 other stuff that don't got none to do with Joe 0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:11.359 Biden did because they wanted to put a fancy term 0:26:11.400 --> 0:26:12.120 on the Democrats. 0:26:12.160 --> 0:26:14.320 Just stop putting termo things. Just say what the hell 0:26:14.320 --> 0:26:15.120 it is that you're doing. 0:26:15.400 --> 0:26:19.400 Yeah, yep, yep, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, 0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:20.640 thank you, thank you. 0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:22.679 I love you and I appreciate you. Thank you. 0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:22.960 Molly. 0:26:23.080 --> 0:26:24.680 I just I can't, I just really can't. 0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:27.600 So you know, I wish, you know, I wish a 0:26:27.640 --> 0:26:31.160 Democratic Party apparrett as well, and they soul search it. 0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:32.440 But I guess I would. 0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:34.920 Just say in closing that what I am watching for 0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:38.240 is just, you know, how Democrats respond to this moment, 0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:40.159 the reality that they are now living in, or if 0:26:40.160 --> 0:26:43.959 you're a Democrat on Capitol Hill where the President, the Presidency, 0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:47.240 the Senate, and the House, all the Republicans have it all, 0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:50.920 and they are emboldened, they feel emboldened like they can't 0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:53.880 play politics as usual. The Democrats can't like, please give 0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:56.920 people something. People don't want Democrats to be against against 0:26:56.920 --> 0:26:59.320 against im that's going to get them elected. But they 0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:01.439 do have to have some a strategy and plan and 0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:03.200 then what are they going to do about the party 0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:07.120 going forward? There's an election in twenty twenty five in Virginia, 0:27:07.359 --> 0:27:10.160 midterm elections around the corner. Who are they gonna pick 0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:12.600 for a DNC chair? How are Democrats really going to 0:27:12.640 --> 0:27:13.960 take their stories to the next level? 0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:14.840 And are they going to. 0:27:14.960 --> 0:27:17.920 Tuck their tail between their legs and retreat and then 0:27:17.920 --> 0:27:20.520 try to be you know, continue they keep talking about 0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:23.159 the tent not big enough. It is a goddamn circus. Okay, 0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:25.760 I don't know how much bigger than tent, but don't 0:27:25.800 --> 0:27:28.919 probably right aside could get. But you know, we just 0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:30.840 gonna have to wait and see my thank you. 0:27:31.000 --> 0:27:33.439 Thank you. You are the greatest. Thank you. 0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:36.840 I appreciate you. 0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:40.120 Amanda Liman is the co founder of Room for Something. 0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:44.320 Welcome back to Fast Politics, Amandalipman. 0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:44.840 Always happy to chat. 0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:45.160 Mollie. 0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:47.959 You are on maternity leave, but you are doing this 0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:49.880 for me because you are awesome. 0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:53.440 We'll hope the baby keeps sleeping all the chat. 0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:58.000 Yes, and that is the most important thing, is that 0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:01.439 you are awesome and that you are one of the 0:28:01.520 --> 0:28:05.239 people who keeps me from despairing. So the reason why 0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:08.320 I reached out to you was because I was reading 0:28:08.680 --> 0:28:14.120 Rebecca Traster's excellent piece about what resistance two point zero. 0:28:14.160 --> 0:28:16.800 I know Jesse doesn't only go when I say resistance 0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:19.399 but for lack of a better word, might look like, 0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:23.760 and you gave her probably the one piece of data 0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:25.400 that made me not want to die. 0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:27.040 So discuss. 0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:31.720 Yeah, you know, I was really not sure what this 0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:33.280 would look like. When we were doing all of our 0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:36.199 scenario planning for Run for Something, which, as your listeners, 0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:38.920 probably no recruits and supports young leaders running for local 0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:41.800 office all across the country. We were like, maybe people 0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:44.760 want to run, or maybe everyone will be so demoralized 0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:47.080 and so defeated, they will want to hide into a 0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:50.360 cocoon and do nothing but watch trashy television and read 0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:52.680 romance novels until this is all of our What I 0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:55.920 have been so pleasantly surprised by and so impact thrilled 0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:58.560 by is that in just the two weeks since election day, 0:28:58.800 --> 0:29:01.200 likely by the end of today, on Tuesday we're recording this, 0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:03.920 ten thousand people will have raised their hands to say 0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:06.040 they want to run for local office at some point 0:29:06.080 --> 0:29:08.680 in the future, which, for a point of comparison, in 0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:12.239 all of twenty seventeen we had fifteen thousand people sign up. 0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:15.280 Two weeks since election day, we're already two thirds of 0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:15.760 the way there. 0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:18.840 Sort of give me an example of someone, or just 0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:21.640 a sort of more vague example of someone who has 0:29:21.840 --> 0:29:22.880 reached out to you. 0:29:22.880 --> 0:29:26.200 You know, I have heard through my different social media platforms, 0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:29.200 because even on maternity leave, I am just scrolling through it. 0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:33.280 People are really fed up with democratic leadership. They really 0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:37.640 personally understand, and I think very clear i'dn strategically understand 0:29:37.720 --> 0:29:42.400 that moving forward, the state legislatures, city council, school boards 0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:45.720 are going to be really important places of power. Both 0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:50.120 to protect people, to mitigate harm, to ensure that the 0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:52.640 worst things Trump can do, if we have power to 0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:56.720 stop them, we can, and also to advance democratic policies. 0:29:56.800 --> 0:29:58.880 You know, I think about where we are in New York. 0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:02.440 It actually really really really matters to have good democratic 0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:06.360 leadership here that can really get shit done, can build housing, 0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:08.360 can make it a place people can afford to stay, 0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:11.680 both because New Yorkers deserve that, but also because if 0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:14.440 we don't, we're going to lose more population then we 0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:17.120 gain over the next couple of years and ultimately lose 0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:19.560 electoral College votes in twenty After twenty. 0:30:19.320 --> 0:30:22.640 Thirty exactly, Like, there's a lot of despair and a 0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:26.600 lot of people saying, wow, it's like twenty sixteen but worse. 0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:30.400 But it's not. And I want you to talk about why. 0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:33.120 You know, I think, unlike in twenty sixteen, we are 0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:35.600 not building a plane. While we fly the plane. There 0:30:35.640 --> 0:30:39.040 is already so much infrastructure that exists from run for something. 0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:41.280 You know, having been around for eight years and having 0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:43.760 all of these resources available for people who want to run, 0:30:43.800 --> 0:30:46.840 we've refined this program really well. We know how to 0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:49.400 do this at this point. No Indivisible, which didn't really 0:30:49.440 --> 0:30:52.760 get started until a couple weeks post election day. They 0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:54.920 are off to the races. They know what they're doing. 0:30:55.120 --> 0:30:58.440 Our local leaders, especially the politicians and local leaders who 0:30:58.640 --> 0:31:01.400 have come up in the last eight years and those 0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:05.080 who ran for office in twenty seventeen, eighteen, nineteen twenty, 0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:08.720 you know, they know exactly what they're able to do 0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:11.840 to stand up against Trump, to move things forward. And 0:31:11.880 --> 0:31:15.720 I think we are smarter, better, more strategic, and less 0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:17.640 willing to waste our time on stuff that doesn't matter. 0:31:17.960 --> 0:31:21.360 Yes, less willing to waste our time on stuff that 0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:24.120 doesn't matter. Let's talk about that, because I just wrote 0:31:24.120 --> 0:31:27.280 about that this week, and it is like, I think 0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:29.800 one of the things I really love us all to 0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:30.760 be focusing on. 0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:33.719 Can you explain to us a little bit about that? 0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:35.920 Yeah, you know, I think we've learned a lot in 0:31:35.920 --> 0:31:38.360 the last eight years about what is a good use 0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:41.000 of our time and what isn't Like picking and choosing 0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:44.040 these scandals to get outraged by. You know, some of 0:31:44.080 --> 0:31:46.640 that it's hard to know in the moment, but really 0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:50.320 focusing our fire on the things that will really harm people, 0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:54.920 and understanding that some protests can be really meaningful but 0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:57.200 not everything needs to be taken to the streets and 0:31:57.240 --> 0:32:00.680 they actually have to, you know, use that strategically. Thinking 0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:04.520 about you know, I look back on twenty sixteen. We 0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:07.440 used to call it like social justice socialites meeting, like 0:32:07.600 --> 0:32:11.880 the fun fancy clothes and the branded T shirts and 0:32:11.920 --> 0:32:14.320 the merch you know, was that bad? No? Was it 0:32:14.360 --> 0:32:17.200 the most strategic use of people's time and money? 0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:18.200 Probably not? 0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:21.000 And the final thing I think I would say is like, really, 0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:23.320 as we start to look ahead for what the future 0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:26.120 of the Democratic Party in particular looks like, are we 0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:29.080 doing things that build power? Are we doing things that last? 0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:31.600 Are we doing things that sustain your rear? Because that's 0:32:31.960 --> 0:32:34.080 one many ways how our Republican Party. 0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:36.400 Got here right right, right, right exactly. 0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:40.800 And I think that's a really really important point. Will 0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:43.800 you just tell our listeners some of the run for something, 0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:48.720 people who started in twenty sixteen who are now occupying 0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:50.040 the political space. 0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:51.240 I would be delighted too. 0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:53.920 So, you know, I think about Mallory McMorrow out in Michigan, 0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:55.920 who we worked with her in her twenty eighteen rac 0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:58.800 estate senator there, who has an incredible future and has 0:32:58.840 --> 0:33:02.840 shown what fighting sort of like insane Republican rhetoric looks 0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:05.840 like Zelner Myiri here in New York, who's running for 0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:08.840 mayor in twenty twenty five, who could be a real 0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:12.720 powerful force against Eric Adams. I think about Anna Escamani 0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:15.440 down in Florida, who flipped a seat red to blue 0:33:15.440 --> 0:33:17.760 back in twenty eighteen, has held it ever since then 0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:20.960 in the state House. Even this year, she won a 0:33:21.000 --> 0:33:24.720 couple precincts in her district that Trump also won outside Orlando. 0:33:25.040 --> 0:33:26.800 Is going to be an incredible fighter in the Florida 0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:27.760 State legislature. 0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:31.000 But those are all great examples. And Mallard mcmarrow. 0:33:31.240 --> 0:33:35.720 So here's a woman who went into state legislature, which 0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:39.760 is not like being a senator, but she actually was 0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:43.240 able to sort of permeate the news bubble and become 0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:44.600 a national presence. 0:33:44.880 --> 0:33:46.000 Can you talk about that? 0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:51.120 Yeah, So back in twenty twenty two feels like a 0:33:51.120 --> 0:33:52.000 lifetime ago. 0:33:52.080 --> 0:33:54.080 Right, ten thousand years ago? 0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:57.760 Yes, a Republican state senator in Michigan sent a fundraising 0:33:57.800 --> 0:34:01.520 email to their list, cauling Mallory mcmore a Gloomer. Mallory 0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:05.320 took to the State Senate floor and gave a speech 0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:08.279 that very clearly called that out for the bullshit. That 0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:11.759 it was talked about what it meant to be like 0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:15.359 a mom like her, what it means to stand up 0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:18.759 against hate, what it means to fight for kids, which 0:34:18.760 --> 0:34:20.640 she has been doing. You know, she called I'm a 0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:24.480 straight white Christian, married suburban mom, she said each and 0:34:24.640 --> 0:34:29.040 ended up raising ultimately millions of dollars or Democrats across 0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:31.799 the country and in Michigan to help build power there. 0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:35.879 Right, And that was just an example of like at 0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:40.880 the state legislature, stuff happens that if Democrats are not there, 0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:43.920 Democrats cannot push back against it. 0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:45.200 Right, That's right. 0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:47.239 And I think it's proof of the kind of leadership 0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:49.120 that really makes a difference right now, which is not 0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:54.120 letting them get away with insulting their opponents, with insulting 0:34:54.120 --> 0:34:58.120 their constituents with the kind of ridiculous language that we 0:34:58.160 --> 0:35:00.239 know the Republicans like to use and throw with the 0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:02.800 Democrats and that often will roll over and take without 0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:03.120 a fight. 0:35:03.440 --> 0:35:07.439 Yeah, I think that's really important. Now I want you 0:35:08.080 --> 0:35:10.920 to talk about I'm going to do something really mean 0:35:10.960 --> 0:35:14.680 to you. One of the things that there's been a 0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:18.719 lot of talk about is what Democrats should do differently. 0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:23.319 And I have really tried to steer away from that 0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:25.319 because I don't really know. 0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:28.760 But I'm wondering if you are. 0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:32.000 Like actually on the ground and you're talking to candidates 0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:36.399 and you're so I'm hoping you could actually give us 0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:37.440 a sort of more. 0:35:38.360 --> 0:35:40.120 You know, it can be anything you want. 0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:40.400 You know. 0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:43.000 I think it's worth noting we don't know what we 0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:44.839 know yet. We're not going to know until the voter 0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:48.160 fil comes back. Exit polls are notoriously wrong, and I've 0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:50.480 been done counting all the votes yet in places like 0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:52.400 you know, North Carolina, they're still races. 0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:54.759 They're too close to call. California, they're not done yet. 0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:56.080 So blank at caveat. 0:35:56.280 --> 0:35:58.960 We don't know anything, and it's worth not over learning 0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:02.040 things from this election. It was a chant election in 0:36:02.120 --> 0:36:06.080 light of a global anti incumbency wave, in light of inflation. 0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:08.799 You know, I think President Biden had a tough time 0:36:08.920 --> 0:36:11.279 selling his record, the fact that he couldn't do and 0:36:11.320 --> 0:36:13.640 didn't do a ton of interviews over his first term, 0:36:13.760 --> 0:36:15.319 the extent why people didn't really know what he had 0:36:15.360 --> 0:36:18.120 done looking forward. I think the Democratic Party, and in 0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:20.759 particular I'm really striving me crazy. When people talk about 0:36:20.800 --> 0:36:23.239 the Democratic Party, is if it's all unified actors. So 0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:27.919 in particular, the democratic funding ecosystem needs to think more 0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:30.120 long term about what we are building. We need to 0:36:30.200 --> 0:36:35.320 build communications infrastructure that includes media, that includes influencers, that includes, 0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:37.480 you know, thinking about the messengers that we have on 0:36:37.520 --> 0:36:40.520 the ground. We need to build organizing infrastructure that exists 0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:43.440 year over year. And we need to think long term 0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:45.279 about the kind of leaders we want this party to 0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:47.360 have moving forward, and we need to do it in 0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:49.799 all fifties states. I cannot tell you how many times 0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:51.319 when I was trying to raise money for run for 0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:54.000 something really over the last eight years, and I would 0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:56.279 get asked by funders, well, we like what you do, 0:36:56.320 --> 0:36:58.200 we think it's important, but why do you do it 0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:01.040 outside of the presidential battlegrounds? Like I don't care what 0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:05.600 happens in New York or Idaho or Oklahoma or California. 0:37:06.040 --> 0:37:07.560 And we have seen now. 0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:09.520 That is insane, by the way. 0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:13.040 I know, politically and practically, that is stupid. 0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:14.600 It is very, very stupid. 0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:17.680 It is really really important to have dread democratic leadership 0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:21.080 everywhere and to show Democrats fighting everywhere. So I hope 0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:23.319 that moving forward in particular, and I think this is 0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:26.319 a money and resource allocation problem. They're people who have 0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:28.319 the ideas to do it, they just don't have the 0:37:28.360 --> 0:37:31.640 resources to do it. To build year round infrastructure, especially 0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:35.040 around communications and organizing, and to ensure that our messengers 0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:37.440 reflect the people we want to reach, that we've got 0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:40.839 more working class candidates, more candidates who are renters, more 0:37:40.880 --> 0:37:43.360 candidates who have dealt with the housing market more recently, 0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:46.040 more candidates who are part of the Sandwich generation who 0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:49.520 are experiencing you know, aging parents and young kids. All 0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:51.920 of that will make us better at connecting with the 0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:53.000 voters we need to reach. 0:37:53.440 --> 0:37:54.960 Yeah, it's a really good point. 0:37:55.200 --> 0:37:58.200 I want you to just explain to our listeners why 0:37:58.440 --> 0:38:02.440 it's actually like as bad as this feels right now 0:38:02.440 --> 0:38:04.920 to a lot of us, and it really feels bad. 0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:06.120 I have to be honest. 0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:09.040 I'm hoping you could talk to us about, like why 0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:12.640 you think there are possible bright spots here. 0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:15.319 You know, I think my bright spot right now is 0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:19.680 that Trump's shtick doesn't work for anyone else. We saw 0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:23.640 this in the Republican presidential primary. Ron De Santis falls 0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:24.440 flat on his face. 0:38:24.760 --> 0:38:24.920 You know. 0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:27.600 JD Vance might be vice president, but his approval ratings 0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:32.000 starting the campaign like people hate him, even republic hate him. 0:38:32.360 --> 0:38:36.760 The Republican bench is all crazy people and people who 0:38:37.320 --> 0:38:42.200 are like have no charisma and are loathable. So if 0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:44.600 we can get through the four next four years, and 0:38:45.040 --> 0:38:47.479 I don't know, we'll see I hope. So I think 0:38:47.520 --> 0:38:49.440 so if we can get through the next. 0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:50.760 Four years, they are beatable. 0:38:51.000 --> 0:38:53.920 We can win in the midterms, which we will still have. Midterms. 0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:56.520 Elections are not rocked with the federal government. They're run 0:38:56.520 --> 0:38:59.840 by states and cities and counties and municipalities. Is a 0:39:00.160 --> 0:39:02.960 centralized system. We will have more elections if we can 0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:05.120 get through this, which many people won't. It will be 0:39:05.160 --> 0:39:08.400 sad and it will be hard, it will be soul crushing. 0:39:08.600 --> 0:39:12.360 But they are beatable. The Republican Party outside of Trump 0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:15.520 is not that popular. And even like you look at 0:39:15.520 --> 0:39:18.319 the down ballot voting, the fact that there is such 0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:21.000 a thing as a Trump Baldwin or a Trump sluckin, 0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:24.560 or a Trump any of the down ballot candidates in 0:39:24.600 --> 0:39:26.680 North Carolina. 0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:28.160 A Trump diego right. 0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:31.799 Yeah, the Republican Party down ballot did not do as 0:39:31.840 --> 0:39:34.560 well as it should have given how much Trump went by. 0:39:34.760 --> 0:39:37.280 So I think that is my sort of political bright spot. 0:39:37.480 --> 0:39:40.399 The other bright spot I see is that we are 0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:43.320 further along when it comes to colding state and local 0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:46.200 offices than we were the last time Trump was in office. 0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:48.760 So hopefully we will be able to do a little 0:39:48.760 --> 0:39:50.600 more good in some of these places. 0:39:51.120 --> 0:39:55.879 Yeah. I think that's a really really really good, important 0:39:55.920 --> 0:40:01.640 and salient point. And also more importantly, just we have 0:40:01.719 --> 0:40:05.239 to hold on right now to the good and to 0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:10.680 really be able to see that there is brightness here 0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:15.080 and that there are reasons not to despair, because autocrats 0:40:15.160 --> 0:40:16.560 really want you to despair. 0:40:17.040 --> 0:40:17.439 They do. 0:40:17.760 --> 0:40:20.200 And you know, even the last you know, two weeks 0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:23.880 ago in this election, there were bright spots. We helped 0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:28.040 a young woman, Emma Curtis in Lexington, Kentucky, become the 0:40:28.080 --> 0:40:30.560 first transperson elected to a city council seat in the 0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:34.120 entire state. She'd beat an incumbent in this race, showing 0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:37.480 that people like her and across the country deserve to 0:40:37.520 --> 0:40:40.080 be in positions of power. We flipped state ledge seats, 0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:42.680 rumbers on thing alone, flip state ledge seats in Kentucky 0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:46.480 and Iowa and North Carolina and Washington State. It was 0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:48.200 it was a bad night. I don't want to pretend 0:40:48.239 --> 0:40:50.640 like toxic positivity or it was bad, But there are 0:40:50.800 --> 0:40:53.760 spots across the country where we show that our candidates 0:40:53.760 --> 0:40:55.600 and our values can win out, and we just got 0:40:55.600 --> 0:40:57.399 to take our cues from those leaders and keep giving 0:40:57.400 --> 0:40:58.520 them the resources they need. 0:40:58.640 --> 0:41:01.480 It's a really good point. You are getting so many 0:41:01.520 --> 0:41:05.320 more people than you were before. So what do you think, 0:41:05.400 --> 0:41:06.520 I mean, what does that mean? 0:41:07.000 --> 0:41:07.120 Now? 0:41:07.160 --> 0:41:09.799 I think that means that there is an incredible appetite 0:41:09.800 --> 0:41:13.760 for taking power back. There is a desire a demand 0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:16.120 for the services that run for something provides, which I 0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:18.960 am so glad we exist last time around, because it's 0:41:19.120 --> 0:41:21.520 part of the reason we created this organization, because in 0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:24.160 twenty sixteen, if you wanted to run, there was nowhere 0:41:24.160 --> 0:41:26.120 you could go right after election day. 0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:27.040 Now there is. 0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:29.640 We are here and we're able to help them. So 0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:32.080 I am hopeful that in twenty twenty five and the 0:41:32.320 --> 0:41:34.600 tens of thousands of local elections that we're going to have, 0:41:34.800 --> 0:41:39.160 and in statewides in New Jersey and Virginia, and even 0:41:39.160 --> 0:41:41.400 in big municipal elections like here in New York, that 0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:43.120 we're going to be able to elect really good people, 0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:46.040 and that in twenty twenty six we're going to have 0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:49.719 an incredible midterm cycle because Republicans are not going to 0:41:49.760 --> 0:41:51.879 be able to deliver on many of the promises they've made, 0:41:51.920 --> 0:41:53.319 and the ones that they are are going to really 0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:57.680 hurt people. So I am glad to see a surgeon 0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:01.200 candidate signing up and I really, really really believe that 0:42:01.280 --> 0:42:03.960 run for something and the rest of the broader ecosystem 0:42:04.000 --> 0:42:06.160 will be there to help them get across the finish line. 0:42:06.400 --> 0:42:07.319 So important. 0:42:07.600 --> 0:42:11.640 Thank you, thank you, thank you, Amanda Littman, no problem anytime. 0:42:11.280 --> 0:42:16.920 Miy no, no moment, see. 0:42:16.760 --> 0:42:22.479 Cannon Molly drama, drama, drama is happening with this Matt 0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:26.120 Gates nomination for AG So much going on? What are 0:42:26.160 --> 0:42:26.680 you seeing here? 0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:30.640 Trump has put up a bunch of nominees for confirmation 0:42:31.360 --> 0:42:32.400 for cabinet positions. 0:42:32.719 --> 0:42:34.360 I'll tell you what happens. Every time I think of 0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:37.680 all his nominations, the Adams Family theme comes in my head. 0:42:37.680 --> 0:42:39.040 You know, they're crazy and they're kooky. 0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:41.080 So some are worse than others. 0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:45.279 Ones like Marco Rubio, we might not totally agree on, 0:42:45.360 --> 0:42:48.640 but are not beyond the pale. But one of them 0:42:48.800 --> 0:42:52.399 that's quite scary is Matt Gates for Attorneys General. Being 0:42:52.440 --> 0:42:57.800 Attorney general is really as you know, it's a big job. 0:42:57.840 --> 0:43:00.400 You lead the DOJ. You have all of these people, 0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:01.560 you know, And. 0:43:01.600 --> 0:43:05.319 Remember bat Gates was waiting on an ethics investigation that 0:43:05.440 --> 0:43:08.680 was about to be released. So now it looks like 0:43:08.800 --> 0:43:13.000 that ethics investigation is probably going to leak. The attorney 0:43:13.040 --> 0:43:16.040 for two of the women is really furious and out there. 0:43:16.120 --> 0:43:19.160 The women are on television. There are more women. The 0:43:19.239 --> 0:43:25.239 stories involved paying for sex, trying to get drugs, underage girls, 0:43:25.480 --> 0:43:29.120 crossing state lines again, paying for sex. Don't I want 0:43:29.160 --> 0:43:31.160 to reiterate, we don't know that, but we know that 0:43:31.200 --> 0:43:33.160 there were venmo payments to women. 0:43:33.280 --> 0:43:36.040 He then later had relations to this, so we. 0:43:35.960 --> 0:43:40.080 Also learned that pay Pal payments came from his son Nester, Right. 0:43:40.239 --> 0:43:43.680 So the point is there's clearly a lot of stuff here, 0:43:43.719 --> 0:43:47.359 and this is a job that's all about using the 0:43:47.440 --> 0:43:50.160 law in a good way to help people. So we'll 0:43:50.200 --> 0:43:53.920 see what happens. May this may go to confirmation. Trump 0:43:54.000 --> 0:43:56.279 may try to do it as a Reese's appointment. It 0:43:56.320 --> 0:44:00.160 may die in the next three months, because remember, as 0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:02.520 much as Trump is about to have a lot of power, 0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:06.719 he doesn't have it yet. That's it for this episode 0:44:06.760 --> 0:44:12.799 of Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and 0:44:13.120 --> 0:44:17.080 Saturday to hear the best minds and politics make sense 0:44:17.120 --> 0:44:21.480 of all this chaos. If you enjoy this podcast, please 0:44:21.520 --> 0:44:24.560 send it to a friend and keep the conversation going. 0:44:25.040 --> 0:44:26.160 Thanks for listening.