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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Hikeim Jeffries will lead the Democrats

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Speaker 1: in Congress once again.

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Speaker 2: We have such a great show for you today.

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Speaker 1: MSNBC's The Weekend host Simone Sanders stops by to talk

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Speaker 1: to me about what the Democrats can do differently and

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Speaker 1: what they're doing right and what they're doing wrong.

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Speaker 2: It's a fun conversation.

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Speaker 1: Then we will talk to Run for Something's Amanda Lippman

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Speaker 1: about all of these small victories that you may not

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Speaker 2: But first the news.

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Speaker 3: So Molly, every once in a while we get a

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Speaker 3: new word in the lexicon that you just go that

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Speaker 3: one's going to stick around for a while. And yesterday

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Speaker 3: I learned the term brologarchy. What are you seeing here

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Speaker 1: Brologarchy is a word for oligarchy. But because all of

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Speaker 1: these people, unsurprising are divorced.

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Speaker 4: Men, it's the bloarchy.

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Speaker 2: Some of them are not divorced yet, perhaps they won't be,

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Speaker 2: but perhaps they will be.

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Speaker 1: It's a really good article in the Guardian about how

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Speaker 1: to survive the Brologarchy Twenty Lessons for the Post truth World.

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Speaker 3: We should say it's by Carol Cadwell Oder.

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Speaker 1: The point is it's a really smart piece and it's

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Speaker 1: quite funny, and.

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Speaker 2: It also she was sued. You'll remembered she has been.

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Speaker 1: Victimized by some of these big conglomerates and she's really

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Speaker 3: Mike, I know many times we're talking to people that

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Speaker 3: are thinking about where they might move because they're afraid

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Speaker 3: of mister Trump's fascist tendencies. There's an Italian village try

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Speaker 3: to entice people. What do you see it here?

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Speaker 1: First of all, no one should move. Everything is going

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Speaker 1: to be fine. This will be a very annoying four years,

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Speaker 1: but we'll get through it. That's what I need to

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Speaker 1: A village on the Italian island of Sardinia, where my

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Speaker 1: looking at this as a potential opportunity. They have said

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Speaker 1: Become a sort of icon of MAGA really destructive mega policy.

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Speaker 4: Simone, happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: The podcast right away because when the post twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: Right then, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Want to talk about this because I was also this decision.

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Speaker 5: Really same alling, that's because you talk to actual people.

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Speaker 4: The reality is you are correct. Now, let me just

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Speaker 5: I do think that the media apparatus they did cover

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Speaker 5: what the administration was doing. I think the real problem

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Speaker 5: is is how the administration talked about it from the beginning,

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Speaker 5: all the way once they achieved things, all the way

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Speaker 5: through like the election, and the reality is is that

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Speaker 5: again and this is why I talk about people that

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Speaker 5: don't go to Costco haven't been to the Costco in

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Speaker 5: a minute of its card at groceries. From the very

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Speaker 5: beginning when I was at the White House, they were

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Speaker 5: talking about transitory inflation. I remember coming out of a

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Speaker 5: meeting and you know, when I worked at the White House,

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Speaker 5: I was I would, you know, my team would write

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Speaker 5: the talking points for the Vice President and when we

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Speaker 5: go and brief heart. I remember going into a briefing

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Speaker 5: and meeting and noting that, you know, giving the Vice

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Speaker 5: president what the administration language is, and then that our

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Speaker 5: suggestion is is that we don't use the term transitory inflation.

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Speaker 5: From our perspective, for you, ma'am, we don't think you

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Speaker 5: need to even talk about transitory inflation because what is that?

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Speaker 4: But also I personally think it's needed people. But also

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Speaker 4: it's not true. The inflation wasn't transitory.

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Speaker 5: It was real, but they didn't know that because they

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Speaker 5: weren't going to the grocery store. So part of it

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Speaker 5: is is that the way that it was things were

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Speaker 5: being talked about were just flying in the face of

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Speaker 5: what people were experiencing.

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Speaker 4: It is absolutely true.

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Speaker 5: And if you look at you, I mean the president,

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Speaker 5: as we had this conversations at the G twenty and

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Speaker 5: when I talk to my former counterparts in other countries,

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Speaker 5: you know, the former the spokespeople, well, now some of

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Speaker 5: them are still the spokespeople, but the current spokespeople I'm

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Speaker 5: former in other countries and the diplomats and whatnot. People

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Speaker 5: particularly in Europe, wish to have America's recovery because it

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Speaker 5: did recover the fastest out of all the G twenty

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Speaker 5: countries COVID from inflation, Like America's not dealing with what.

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Speaker 4: Some of the other countries are are are still reeling from.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because we have immigrants.

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Speaker 4: Well, come on, Molly, now it's something we didn't help

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Speaker 4: the situation. Yeah, in the Europe.

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Speaker 5: So I say that to say that, like when the

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Speaker 5: President and others and people within the administration would say

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Speaker 5: the you know, wager growth is up and the you know,

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Speaker 5: the fastest, the best GDP record GDP growth and the

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Speaker 5: fastest recovery. All of that is true okay on paper,

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Speaker 5: but like, what does record GDP growth mean for someone

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Speaker 5: in north Omaha, Nebraska who's still working two jobs and

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Speaker 5: struggling to you know, pay a bills like when the

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Speaker 5: rent is too damn high and so On one hand,

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Speaker 5: I think that it was too there was too much

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Speaker 5: of a focus on the administration getting credit for the

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Speaker 5: real work that has been done right the Internet that

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Speaker 5: has been laid across the communities, the record, infrastructure projects,

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Speaker 5: all of that is great. Yes, yes, and when the record,

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Speaker 5: when the history books recorded, Joe Biden is going to

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Speaker 5: be one of the greatest American presidents because what is

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Speaker 5: mine stration has done is remarkable.

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Speaker 4: However, the rent.

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Speaker 5: Too damn high, the housing is unattainable, and grow the

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Speaker 5: bacon is nine dollars, So like, can we talk about

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Speaker 5: doing some about the nine dollar bacon? What about the housing?

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Speaker 5: Even though the administration was doing those was they were

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Speaker 5: working on those things. The appraisals, right, the discriminatory appraisal process,

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Speaker 5: they were working on all of that, but they were

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Speaker 5: not talking about it. So the Vice president's campaign pops

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Speaker 5: up and she's like, well, you know, we're gonna take

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Speaker 5: on price gouging. And I think that that's like that

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Speaker 5: that is more of an answer to what the American

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Speaker 5: people were dealing with right now. She talks about her

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Speaker 5: housing plan. However, maybe one of the one of the

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Speaker 5: things the takeaways is maybe how she talked about it

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Speaker 5: did not resonate as much and needed more of a

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Speaker 5: populus twist. And so instead of like price gouging, it's

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Speaker 5: like the companies are taking advantage of you. They raised

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Speaker 5: the prices during COVID. Okay, COVID's over and the price

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Speaker 5: is still up. It's like, yes, dam you right down,

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Speaker 5: they're greedy. But that's not how it was put forward.

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Speaker 5: But I would just say that you cannot This is

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Speaker 5: a long way be saying. In elections, you have to

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Speaker 5: make a decision. And as you said earlier, you were like,

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Speaker 5: you know, I don't know if these were turnable voters

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Speaker 5: in terms of these you know, the who are the

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Speaker 5: who was the list Chandey voters that was going to

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Speaker 5: vote for Colin Harris. You have to make a decision

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Speaker 5: in the campaigns, especially when a finite amount of time.

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Speaker 4: Do you want to be right or do you want

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Speaker 4: to win? Do you want people to see your perspective.

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Speaker 5: Do you want to win them over to that old

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Speaker 5: the economy is actually better than what you think it is.

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Speaker 4: Or do you want to win?

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Speaker 5: And if you want to win, you need to meet

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Speaker 5: the voter where they are, understand where the voter is,

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Speaker 5: and earn their vote. And I think for far too

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Speaker 5: long the calculus was if we just tell people they

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Speaker 5: just we just got to explain it more bid.

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Speaker 4: Nomics, what the hell is that?

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Speaker 3: I said.

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Speaker 4: I was like, leave, what is bionomics? They can't explain it?

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Speaker 4: Reagan nomics rom Reagan didn't name his stuff. Okay, he

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Speaker 4: didn't do that. The press coin the term after the fact.

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Speaker 5: So also, when people say, oh, they don't like the economy,

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Speaker 5: I don't believe that they don't like Joe Biden's policies,

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Speaker 5: because Joe Biden's economic policies are good.

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Speaker 4: Write thirty five dollars cap on insulin.

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Speaker 5: Job creation, like, we're making stuff in America now, literally

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Speaker 5: infrastructure we can manufacture in this back in America. However,

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Speaker 5: what people associated with Bidenomics is inflation and all this

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Speaker 5: other stuff that don't got none to do with Joe

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Speaker 5: Biden did because they wanted to put a fancy term

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Speaker 5: on the Democrats.

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Speaker 4: Just stop putting termo things. Just say what the hell

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Speaker 4: it is that you're doing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, yep, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I love you and I appreciate you. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Molly.

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Speaker 4: I just I can't, I just really can't.

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Speaker 5: So you know, I wish, you know, I wish a

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Speaker 5: Democratic Party apparrett as well, and they soul search it.

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Speaker 4: But I guess I would.

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Speaker 5: Just say in closing that what I am watching for

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Speaker 5: is just, you know, how Democrats respond to this moment,

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Speaker 5: the reality that they are now living in, or if

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Speaker 5: you're a Democrat on Capitol Hill where the President, the Presidency,

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Speaker 5: the Senate, and the House, all the Republicans have it all,

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Speaker 5: and they are emboldened, they feel emboldened like they can't

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Speaker 5: play politics as usual. The Democrats can't like, please give

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Speaker 5: people something. People don't want Democrats to be against against

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Speaker 5: against im that's going to get them elected. But they

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Speaker 5: do have to have some a strategy and plan and

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Speaker 5: then what are they going to do about the party

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Speaker 5: going forward? There's an election in twenty twenty five in Virginia,

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Speaker 5: midterm elections around the corner. Who are they gonna pick

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Speaker 5: for a DNC chair? How are Democrats really going to

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Speaker 5: take their stories to the next level?

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Speaker 4: And are they going to.

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Speaker 5: Tuck their tail between their legs and retreat and then

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Speaker 5: try to be you know, continue they keep talking about

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Speaker 5: the tent not big enough. It is a goddamn circus. Okay,

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Speaker 5: I don't know how much bigger than tent, but don't

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Speaker 5: probably right aside could get. But you know, we just

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Speaker 5: gonna have to wait and see my thank you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. You are the greatest. Thank you.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Amanda Liman is the co founder of Room for Something.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fast Politics, Amandalipman.

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Speaker 4: Always happy to chat.

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Speaker 3: Mollie.

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Speaker 1: You are on maternity leave, but you are doing this

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Speaker 1: for me because you are awesome.

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Speaker 4: We'll hope the baby keeps sleeping all the chat.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and that is the most important thing, is that

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Speaker 1: you are awesome and that you are one of the

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Speaker 1: people who keeps me from despairing. So the reason why

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Speaker 1: I reached out to you was because I was reading

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Speaker 1: Rebecca Traster's excellent piece about what resistance two point zero.

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Speaker 1: I know Jesse doesn't only go when I say resistance

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Speaker 1: but for lack of a better word, might look like,

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Speaker 1: and you gave her probably the one piece of data

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Speaker 1: that made me not want to die.

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Speaker 2: So discuss.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I was really not sure what this

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Speaker 6: would look like. When we were doing all of our

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Speaker 6: scenario planning for Run for Something, which, as your listeners,

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Speaker 6: probably no recruits and supports young leaders running for local

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Speaker 6: office all across the country. We were like, maybe people

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Speaker 6: want to run, or maybe everyone will be so demoralized

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Speaker 6: and so defeated, they will want to hide into a

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Speaker 6: cocoon and do nothing but watch trashy television and read

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Speaker 6: romance novels until this is all of our What I

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Speaker 6: have been so pleasantly surprised by and so impact thrilled

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Speaker 6: by is that in just the two weeks since election day,

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Speaker 6: likely by the end of today, on Tuesday we're recording this,

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Speaker 6: ten thousand people will have raised their hands to say

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Speaker 6: they want to run for local office at some point

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Speaker 6: in the future, which, for a point of comparison, in

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Speaker 6: all of twenty seventeen we had fifteen thousand people sign up.

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Speaker 6: Two weeks since election day, we're already two thirds of

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Speaker 6: the way there.

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Speaker 1: Sort of give me an example of someone, or just

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Speaker 1: a sort of more vague example of someone who has

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Speaker 1: reached out to you.

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Speaker 6: You know, I have heard through my different social media platforms,

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Speaker 6: because even on maternity leave, I am just scrolling through it.

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Speaker 6: People are really fed up with democratic leadership. They really

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Speaker 6: personally understand, and I think very clear i'dn strategically understand

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Speaker 6: that moving forward, the state legislatures, city council, school boards

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Speaker 6: are going to be really important places of power. Both

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Speaker 6: to protect people, to mitigate harm, to ensure that the

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Speaker 6: worst things Trump can do, if we have power to

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Speaker 6: stop them, we can, and also to advance democratic policies.

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Speaker 6: You know, I think about where we are in New York.

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Speaker 6: It actually really really really matters to have good democratic

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Speaker 6: leadership here that can really get shit done, can build housing,

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Speaker 6: can make it a place people can afford to stay,

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Speaker 6: both because New Yorkers deserve that, but also because if

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Speaker 6: we don't, we're going to lose more population then we

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Speaker 6: gain over the next couple of years and ultimately lose

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Speaker 6: electoral College votes in twenty After twenty.

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Speaker 1: Thirty exactly, Like, there's a lot of despair and a

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Speaker 1: lot of people saying, wow, it's like twenty sixteen but worse.

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Speaker 2: But it's not. And I want you to talk about why.

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Speaker 6: You know, I think, unlike in twenty sixteen, we are

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Speaker 6: not building a plane. While we fly the plane. There

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Speaker 6: is already so much infrastructure that exists from run for something.

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Speaker 6: You know, having been around for eight years and having

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Speaker 6: all of these resources available for people who want to run,

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Speaker 6: we've refined this program really well. We know how to

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Speaker 6: do this at this point. No Indivisible, which didn't really

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Speaker 6: get started until a couple weeks post election day. They

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Speaker 6: are off to the races. They know what they're doing.

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Speaker 6: Our local leaders, especially the politicians and local leaders who

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Speaker 6: have come up in the last eight years and those

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Speaker 6: who ran for office in twenty seventeen, eighteen, nineteen twenty,

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Speaker 6: you know, they know exactly what they're able to do

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Speaker 6: to stand up against Trump, to move things forward. And

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Speaker 6: I think we are smarter, better, more strategic, and less

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Speaker 6: willing to waste our time on stuff that doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: Yes, less willing to waste our time on stuff that

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Let's talk about that, because I just wrote

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Speaker 1: about that this week, and it is like, I think

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Speaker 1: one of the things I really love us all to

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Speaker 1: be focusing on.

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Speaker 2: Can you explain to us a little bit about that?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I think we've learned a lot in

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Speaker 6: the last eight years about what is a good use

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Speaker 6: of our time and what isn't Like picking and choosing

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Speaker 6: these scandals to get outraged by. You know, some of

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Speaker 6: that it's hard to know in the moment, but really

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Speaker 6: focusing our fire on the things that will really harm people,

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Speaker 6: and understanding that some protests can be really meaningful but

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Speaker 6: not everything needs to be taken to the streets and

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Speaker 6: they actually have to, you know, use that strategically. Thinking

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Speaker 6: about you know, I look back on twenty sixteen. We

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Speaker 6: used to call it like social justice socialites meeting, like

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Speaker 6: the fun fancy clothes and the branded T shirts and

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Speaker 6: the merch you know, was that bad? No? Was it

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Speaker 6: the most strategic use of people's time and money?

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Speaker 4: Probably not?

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Speaker 6: And the final thing I think I would say is like, really,

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Speaker 6: as we start to look ahead for what the future

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Speaker 6: of the Democratic Party in particular looks like, are we

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Speaker 6: doing things that build power? Are we doing things that last?

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Speaker 6: Are we doing things that sustain your rear? Because that's

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Speaker 6: one many ways how our Republican Party.

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Speaker 2: Got here right right, right, right exactly.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's a really really important point. Will

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Speaker 1: you just tell our listeners some of the run for something,

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Speaker 1: people who started in twenty sixteen who are now occupying

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Speaker 1: the political space.

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Speaker 4: I would be delighted too.

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Speaker 6: So, you know, I think about Mallory McMorrow out in Michigan,

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Speaker 6: who we worked with her in her twenty eighteen rac

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Speaker 6: estate senator there, who has an incredible future and has

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Speaker 6: shown what fighting sort of like insane Republican rhetoric looks

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Speaker 6: like Zelner Myiri here in New York, who's running for

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Speaker 6: mayor in twenty twenty five, who could be a real

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Speaker 6: powerful force against Eric Adams. I think about Anna Escamani

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Speaker 6: down in Florida, who flipped a seat red to blue

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Speaker 6: back in twenty eighteen, has held it ever since then

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Speaker 6: in the state House. Even this year, she won a

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Speaker 6: couple precincts in her district that Trump also won outside Orlando.

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Speaker 6: Is going to be an incredible fighter in the Florida

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Speaker 6: State legislature.

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Speaker 2: But those are all great examples. And Mallard mcmarrow.

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Speaker 1: So here's a woman who went into state legislature, which

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Speaker 1: is not like being a senator, but she actually was

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Speaker 1: able to sort of permeate the news bubble and become

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Speaker 1: a national presence.

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Speaker 2: Can you talk about that?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So back in twenty twenty two feels like a

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Speaker 6: lifetime ago.

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Speaker 2: Right, ten thousand years ago?

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Speaker 6: Yes, a Republican state senator in Michigan sent a fundraising

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Speaker 6: email to their list, cauling Mallory mcmore a Gloomer. Mallory

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Speaker 6: took to the State Senate floor and gave a speech

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Speaker 6: that very clearly called that out for the bullshit. That

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Speaker 6: it was talked about what it meant to be like

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Speaker 6: a mom like her, what it means to stand up

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Speaker 6: against hate, what it means to fight for kids, which

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Speaker 6: she has been doing. You know, she called I'm a

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Speaker 6: straight white Christian, married suburban mom, she said each and

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Speaker 6: ended up raising ultimately millions of dollars or Democrats across

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Speaker 6: the country and in Michigan to help build power there.

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Speaker 1: Right, And that was just an example of like at

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Speaker 1: the state legislature, stuff happens that if Democrats are not there,

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Speaker 1: Democrats cannot push back against it.

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Speaker 2: Right, That's right.

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Speaker 6: And I think it's proof of the kind of leadership

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Speaker 6: that really makes a difference right now, which is not

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Speaker 6: letting them get away with insulting their opponents, with insulting

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Speaker 6: their constituents with the kind of ridiculous language that we

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Speaker 6: know the Republicans like to use and throw with the

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Speaker 6: Democrats and that often will roll over and take without

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Speaker 6: a fight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's really important. Now I want you

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Speaker 1: to talk about I'm going to do something really mean

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Speaker 1: to you. One of the things that there's been a

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Speaker 1: lot of talk about is what Democrats should do differently.

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Speaker 1: And I have really tried to steer away from that

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Speaker 1: because I don't really know.

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Speaker 2: But I'm wondering if you are.

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Speaker 1: Like actually on the ground and you're talking to candidates

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Speaker 1: and you're so I'm hoping you could actually give us

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Speaker 1: a sort of more.

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Speaker 2: You know, it can be anything you want.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: I think it's worth noting we don't know what we

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Speaker 6: know yet. We're not going to know until the voter

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Speaker 6: fil comes back. Exit polls are notoriously wrong, and I've

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Speaker 6: been done counting all the votes yet in places like

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Speaker 6: you know, North Carolina, they're still races.

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Speaker 4: They're too close to call. California, they're not done yet.

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Speaker 4: So blank at caveat.

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Speaker 6: We don't know anything, and it's worth not over learning

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Speaker 6: things from this election. It was a chant election in

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Speaker 6: light of a global anti incumbency wave, in light of inflation.

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Speaker 6: You know, I think President Biden had a tough time

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Speaker 6: selling his record, the fact that he couldn't do and

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Speaker 6: didn't do a ton of interviews over his first term,

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Speaker 6: the extent why people didn't really know what he had

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Speaker 6: done looking forward. I think the Democratic Party, and in

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Speaker 6: particular I'm really striving me crazy. When people talk about

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Speaker 6: the Democratic Party, is if it's all unified actors. So

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Speaker 6: in particular, the democratic funding ecosystem needs to think more

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Speaker 6: long term about what we are building. We need to

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Speaker 6: build communications infrastructure that includes media, that includes influencers, that includes,

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Speaker 6: you know, thinking about the messengers that we have on

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Speaker 6: the ground. We need to build organizing infrastructure that exists

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Speaker 6: year over year. And we need to think long term

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Speaker 6: about the kind of leaders we want this party to

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Speaker 6: have moving forward, and we need to do it in

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Speaker 6: all fifties states. I cannot tell you how many times

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Speaker 6: when I was trying to raise money for run for

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Speaker 6: something really over the last eight years, and I would

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Speaker 6: get asked by funders, well, we like what you do,

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Speaker 6: we think it's important, but why do you do it

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Speaker 6: outside of the presidential battlegrounds? Like I don't care what

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Speaker 6: happens in New York or Idaho or Oklahoma or California.

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Speaker 6: And we have seen now.

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Speaker 2: That is insane, by the way.

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Speaker 6: I know, politically and practically, that is stupid.

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Speaker 4: It is very, very stupid.

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Speaker 6: It is really really important to have dread democratic leadership

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Speaker 6: everywhere and to show Democrats fighting everywhere. So I hope

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Speaker 6: that moving forward in particular, and I think this is

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Speaker 6: a money and resource allocation problem. They're people who have

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Speaker 6: the ideas to do it, they just don't have the

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Speaker 6: resources to do it. To build year round infrastructure, especially

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Speaker 6: around communications and organizing, and to ensure that our messengers

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Speaker 6: reflect the people we want to reach, that we've got

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Speaker 6: more working class candidates, more candidates who are renters, more

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Speaker 6: candidates who have dealt with the housing market more recently,

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Speaker 6: more candidates who are part of the Sandwich generation who

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Speaker 6: are experiencing you know, aging parents and young kids. All

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Speaker 6: of that will make us better at connecting with the

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Speaker 6: voters we need to reach.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really good point.

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Speaker 1: I want you to just explain to our listeners why

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Speaker 1: it's actually like as bad as this feels right now

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Speaker 1: to a lot of us, and it really feels bad.

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Speaker 2: I have to be honest.

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping you could talk to us about, like why

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Speaker 1: you think there are possible bright spots here.

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Speaker 6: You know, I think my bright spot right now is

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Speaker 6: that Trump's shtick doesn't work for anyone else. We saw

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Speaker 6: this in the Republican presidential primary. Ron De Santis falls

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Speaker 6: flat on his face.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 6: JD Vance might be vice president, but his approval ratings

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Speaker 6: starting the campaign like people hate him, even republic hate him.

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Speaker 6: The Republican bench is all crazy people and people who

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Speaker 6: are like have no charisma and are loathable. So if

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Speaker 6: we can get through the four next four years, and

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Speaker 6: I don't know, we'll see I hope. So I think

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Speaker 6: so if we can get through the next.

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Speaker 4: Four years, they are beatable.

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Speaker 6: We can win in the midterms, which we will still have. Midterms.

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Speaker 6: Elections are not rocked with the federal government. They're run

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Speaker 6: by states and cities and counties and municipalities. Is a

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Speaker 6: centralized system. We will have more elections if we can

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Speaker 6: get through this, which many people won't. It will be

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Speaker 6: sad and it will be hard, it will be soul crushing.

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Speaker 6: But they are beatable. The Republican Party outside of Trump

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Speaker 6: is not that popular. And even like you look at

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Speaker 6: the down ballot voting, the fact that there is such

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Speaker 6: a thing as a Trump Baldwin or a Trump sluckin,

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Speaker 6: or a Trump any of the down ballot candidates in

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Speaker 6: North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: A Trump diego right.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the Republican Party down ballot did not do as

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Speaker 6: well as it should have given how much Trump went by.

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Speaker 6: So I think that is my sort of political bright spot.

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Speaker 6: The other bright spot I see is that we are

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Speaker 6: further along when it comes to colding state and local

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Speaker 6: offices than we were the last time Trump was in office.

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Speaker 6: So hopefully we will be able to do a little

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Speaker 6: more good in some of these places.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's a really really really good, important

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Speaker 1: and salient point. And also more importantly, just we have

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Speaker 1: to hold on right now to the good and to

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Speaker 1: really be able to see that there is brightness here

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Speaker 1: and that there are reasons not to despair, because autocrats

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Speaker 1: really want you to despair.

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Speaker 3: They do.

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Speaker 6: And you know, even the last you know, two weeks

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Speaker 6: ago in this election, there were bright spots. We helped

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Speaker 6: a young woman, Emma Curtis in Lexington, Kentucky, become the

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Speaker 6: first transperson elected to a city council seat in the

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Speaker 6: entire state. She'd beat an incumbent in this race, showing

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Speaker 6: that people like her and across the country deserve to

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Speaker 6: be in positions of power. We flipped state ledge seats,

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Speaker 6: rumbers on thing alone, flip state ledge seats in Kentucky

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Speaker 6: and Iowa and North Carolina and Washington State. It was

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Speaker 6: it was a bad night. I don't want to pretend

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Speaker 6: like toxic positivity or it was bad, But there are

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Speaker 6: spots across the country where we show that our candidates

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Speaker 6: and our values can win out, and we just got

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Speaker 6: to take our cues from those leaders and keep giving

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Speaker 6: them the resources they need.

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Speaker 1: It's a really good point. You are getting so many

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Speaker 1: more people than you were before. So what do you think,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what does that mean?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 6: I think that means that there is an incredible appetite

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Speaker 6: for taking power back. There is a desire a demand

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Speaker 6: for the services that run for something provides, which I

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Speaker 6: am so glad we exist last time around, because it's

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Speaker 6: part of the reason we created this organization, because in

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Speaker 6: twenty sixteen, if you wanted to run, there was nowhere

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Speaker 6: you could go right after election day.

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Speaker 4: Now there is.

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Speaker 6: We are here and we're able to help them. So

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Speaker 6: I am hopeful that in twenty twenty five and the

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Speaker 6: tens of thousands of local elections that we're going to have,

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Speaker 6: and in statewides in New Jersey and Virginia, and even

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Speaker 6: in big municipal elections like here in New York, that

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Speaker 6: we're going to be able to elect really good people,

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Speaker 6: and that in twenty twenty six we're going to have

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Speaker 6: an incredible midterm cycle because Republicans are not going to

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Speaker 6: be able to deliver on many of the promises they've made,

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Speaker 6: and the ones that they are are going to really

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Speaker 6: hurt people. So I am glad to see a surgeon

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Speaker 6: candidate signing up and I really, really really believe that

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Speaker 6: run for something and the rest of the broader ecosystem

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Speaker 6: will be there to help them get across the finish line.

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Speaker 2: So important.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you, Amanda Littman, no problem anytime.

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Speaker 2: Miy no, no moment, see.

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Speaker 3: Cannon Molly drama, drama, drama is happening with this Matt

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Speaker 3: Gates nomination for AG So much going on? What are

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Speaker 3: you seeing here?

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Speaker 1: Trump has put up a bunch of nominees for confirmation

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Speaker 1: for cabinet positions.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what happens. Every time I think of

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Speaker 3: all his nominations, the Adams Family theme comes in my head.

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Speaker 3: You know, they're crazy and they're kooky.

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Speaker 2: So some are worse than others.

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Speaker 1: Ones like Marco Rubio, we might not totally agree on,

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Speaker 1: but are not beyond the pale. But one of them

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Speaker 1: that's quite scary is Matt Gates for Attorneys General. Being

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Speaker 1: Attorney general is really as you know, it's a big job.

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Speaker 2: You lead the DOJ. You have all of these people,

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Speaker 2: you know, And.

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Speaker 1: Remember bat Gates was waiting on an ethics investigation that

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Speaker 1: was about to be released. So now it looks like

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Speaker 1: that ethics investigation is probably going to leak. The attorney

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Speaker 1: for two of the women is really furious and out there.

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Speaker 1: The women are on television. There are more women. The

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Speaker 1: stories involved paying for sex, trying to get drugs, underage girls,

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Speaker 1: crossing state lines again, paying for sex. Don't I want

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Speaker 1: to reiterate, we don't know that, but we know that

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Speaker 1: there were venmo payments to women.

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Speaker 2: He then later had relations to this, so we.

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Speaker 3: Also learned that pay Pal payments came from his son Nester, Right.

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Speaker 1: So the point is there's clearly a lot of stuff here,

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Speaker 1: and this is a job that's all about using the

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Speaker 1: law in a good way to help people. So we'll

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Speaker 1: see what happens. May this may go to confirmation. Trump

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Speaker 1: may try to do it as a Reese's appointment. It

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Speaker 1: may die in the next three months, because remember, as

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Speaker 1: much as Trump is about to have a lot of power,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't have it yet. That's it for this episode

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