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Speaker 1: this morning. So Trump. Yesterday while we were doing our show,

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Speaker 1: All right, Let's go and get to this interview that

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Speaker 1: Trump gave to CNBC yesterday. A lot of interesting moments,

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Speaker 1: but this one probably was the number one issue that

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to that one thing that I

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Speaker 3: And we've got what a thirty three thirty four trillion

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Speaker 4: So first of all, there is a lot you can

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Speaker 1: God to end up weakening security because the country is week.

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Speaker 1: So anyway you heard there. At the beginning, he says,

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Speaker 2: I mean it's an own goal by Trump because one

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Speaker 1: that he cannot seem to shut up about e Gen Carrol.

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Speaker 4: The legal issues aren't, Joe. The legal issues aren't legal issues,

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Speaker 1: is a healthy thing for Democrats to reckon with the

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Speaker 1: fact that they cannot take any demographic group of their

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Speaker 1: base for granted, because the minute that you know, you

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Speaker 1: feel like, oh, well, they're just going to be with us.

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Speaker 1: It really doesn't matter what, you know, what we do.

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Speaker 1: The minute that that group is going to get absolutely

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Speaker 1: none of their wishes and priorities met. So in that way,

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Speaker 1: I actually think it's very healthy that you have this

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Speaker 1: reassessment of the relationship with the Democratic Party, and it's

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Speaker 1: more of like, Okay, well, what have you done for

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Speaker 1: me lately?

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Speaker 2: And that's what I hope and I wish the next

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Speaker 2: one please. This, in my opinion, is like one of

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Speaker 2: the most impactful graphs that you're ever going to see

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Speaker 2: on American politics for those who are just listening. It

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Speaker 2: says that the income divide in US politics is almost closed,

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Speaker 2: and the richest now favorite Democrats over Republicans. It shows

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Speaker 2: how the poorest third of Americans, spiking in the year

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty, which makes sense by a near plus twenty

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Speaker 2: five percent margin, preferred Democrats, while the richest third, at

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Speaker 2: again a near twenty percent margin, supported Republicans. Since then,

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Speaker 2: the gap has roughly begun to narrow. It slightly went

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Speaker 2: back to where things were in the Bush era, but

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Speaker 2: from Obama really onwards, there has been a major swing

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Speaker 2: of white college educated Republicans, who of course are going

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Speaker 2: or sorry, white college educated people who are of course

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Speaker 2: going to disproportionately make up the richest third of Americans

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Speaker 2: swing in their Democratic preference. A lot of this is culture,

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Speaker 2: but a lot of this is four year college degree.

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Speaker 2: So while we can look at this in income, I

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Speaker 2: really think it comes back to education, education, education, the

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Speaker 2: poorest third of Americans increasingly becoming much more Republican over time.

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Speaker 2: Let's be clear, they still do not prefer the Republicans

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Speaker 2: on net when. Part of this is why I still

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Speaker 2: think that Democratic coalition is very strong, is not only

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Speaker 2: do they have a net preference amongst the poorest third,

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Speaker 2: but now they have all of these rich people who

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Speaker 2: love to vote, and they have all of their interests.

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Speaker 2: You know that the Republican Party used to be very

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Speaker 2: reliably you know, have them come out to the ballot box,

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Speaker 2: while the middle third, middle class slightly more Republican, but

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Speaker 2: still net fifty to fifty. And this comes back to

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Speaker 2: a big problem in the Republican Party. I mean, people

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Speaker 2: want to roll the tape and kind of look at

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Speaker 2: what I would used to say back four or five

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Speaker 2: years ago. I'd be like, look, inevitably, the Republican Party

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Speaker 2: like they have to service these new working class voters.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think it's true. I do think that

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Speaker 2: culture is frankly enough, you know, to get you to

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Speaker 2: net fifty, which if you can have billionaire donors and

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Speaker 2: you can have white working classical vote for you, why

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Speaker 2: wouldn't you do that. So, I mean politically, the current strategy,

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Speaker 2: the obsession amongst Republican elites Crystal is we got to

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Speaker 2: win back these suburban voters. It's not how do we

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Speaker 2: service and further, a lot of these new poorer Americans

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Speaker 2: who support us change our views maybe on cutting entitlements

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Speaker 2: or unions or i mean minimum wage, all these other healthcare.

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Speaker 2: They're all sorts of different issues. But this is kind

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Speaker 2: of the trap. Now if a smart man would say that,

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Speaker 2: they would adopt those and they would kind of accelerate

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Speaker 2: that trend and make the richest people in the country democrats,

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Speaker 2: so that you have the cultures, you know, you have

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Speaker 2: the cultural capital and capital actual capital together and then

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Speaker 2: you can use like a populist revolution against them. But

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Speaker 2: that's not really what's happening. I mean, we talk a

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Speaker 2: lot about here. It's class de alignment more than anything.

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Speaker 2: And I also think gender plays a huge role because

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Speaker 2: John Burne Murdock, the guy who wrote this, he didn't

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Speaker 2: put this in here, but he wrote a previous colum

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Speaker 2: which I did a monologue here. Huge portions of what

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Speaker 2: we're discussing. Amongst those black and Hispanic numbers, it's almost

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Speaker 2: all men, specifically black men. Like if you break out

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Speaker 2: the black men and Hispanic men, we're talking about like

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Speaker 2: net forty nine, net fifty and actual ties in some

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Speaker 2: of those groups. So it's gender, a lot of it

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Speaker 2: is income, and most of it comes down to socio

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Speaker 2: cultural values. A lot of it is not really economic

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Speaker 2: at this point.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, and that makes sense because look, the parties

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Speaker 1: do have differences on economics, there's no doubt about. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we were just showing Trump, you know, floating cuts to entitlements.

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Speaker 1: This is a long time Republican project. I think Democrats,

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Speaker 1: even though they in the past, not very recent you know,

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Speaker 1: quite recent pass under Obama Biden, they were also open

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Speaker 1: to these cuts. At this point, they're pretty locked in.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to cut social security and medicare unlikely

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Speaker 1: to improve social security and Medicare, but they have really

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Speaker 1: closed the door on cuts anytime soon.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 1: You see this in the little things that the Biden

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Speaker 1: administration has done, the little cut, you know, the little

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Speaker 1: cuts to prescription drug prices, the going after junk fees.

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Speaker 1: You see it significantly in terms of labor and anti

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Speaker 1: trust in particular. So I don't want to minimize our race,

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Speaker 1: that there are real differences between the parties, but we

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Speaker 1: are also in an era where both parties are fully

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Speaker 1: locked into the neoliberal economic paradigm. So in that way,

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Speaker 1: yes there are differences between them, those differences matter, they're significant,

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Speaker 1: but the overall economic paradigm is the same, and so

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Speaker 1: it's not like you have two competing economic visions, which

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Speaker 1: in another time period, during the New Deal era, you

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Speaker 1: did have two competing economic visions, and that's when you

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Speaker 1: had you know, significant class based interest represented within the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party. So now many of the battles are around sure,

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Speaker 1: and it's also, as we've talked about before soccer, in

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Speaker 1: an era when you know, people have little faith that

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Speaker 1: either political party is going to be able to significantly

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Speaker 1: deliver for them from a material perspective, the thing that

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Speaker 1: it then makes sense for them to vote on is

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Speaker 1: like who's with me, you know, who's with my cultural tribe.

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Speaker 1: And so that's why you see not a class realignment,

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Speaker 1: which would indicate that you know, working class people were

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Speaker 1: all shifting towards one party, but a class de alignment,

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Speaker 1: meaning that your income status is not really predictive anymore

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Speaker 1: of which party you're going to affiliate. With because you know,

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Speaker 1: it's more about those cultural interests than it is about

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Speaker 1: those class or economic interests. I think that's a terrible

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Speaker 1: state of affairs in terms of our politics, but I

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Speaker 1: do think that's a reality of where we are and

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Speaker 1: where we continue to have.

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Speaker 2: I've been there for you know, we have been here before.

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Speaker 2: I like to think about history and kind of think

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Speaker 2: about how this was reolved previously. So I think the

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Speaker 2: most analogous political era to where we are right now,

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Speaker 2: it's called the Age of Acrimony, which was the eighteen seventies,

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Speaker 2: the post reconstruction Rutherford B. Hayes, like the Bargain up

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Speaker 2: until post Gilded Age, in the progressive era, where at

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Speaker 2: that time, whether you were rich or poor in the South,

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Speaker 2: you were voting for the Democrats because you hated black

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Speaker 2: people and you wanted to preserve Jim Crow. And whether

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Speaker 2: you were rich or poor in the North, you were

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Speaker 2: voting Republican because you hated the South and your ancestors

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Speaker 2: or your father or whatever fought against them in the

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Speaker 2: Civil War. And yeah, you know, it turns out that

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Speaker 2: word aligned ourselves with the Vanderbilts, the Wideners, and all

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Speaker 2: these other rich people. But so be it. We got

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Speaker 2: to resolve this question. Now, what a lot of people

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Speaker 2: forget is we had some of the highest voting rates

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Speaker 2: in the entire country at that time. And the reason

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Speaker 2: why is people really hated each other. I mean the

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Speaker 2: South they hated the North, and the North they hated

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Speaker 2: him right back. And they wanted to preserve at least

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Speaker 2: some in Massachusetts and others, preserved rights for blacks and others.

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Speaker 2: And there was also big questions around capital, which the

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Speaker 2: South hated because they didn't have any and the infrastructure.

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Speaker 2: But the way that we resolved that was the progressive

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Speaker 2: era with Teddy Rose and with Woodrow Wilson. The problem

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Speaker 2: is we had to wait for a genius like Teddy

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Speaker 2: Roosevelt to really come in and to completely flip the

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Speaker 2: Republican coalition and lawmaking on their side. And he had

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Speaker 2: to use his own personal will to actually change some

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Speaker 2: of those questions. But he brought in a ton of

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Speaker 2: new voters, and then Woodrow Wilson readopts this progressivism and

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Speaker 2: actually changes the relationship of government to the people. But

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Speaker 2: you know, don't get me wrong, it takes a long time.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the era I just talked about was some

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Speaker 2: forty years of genuine insanity in the US, and something

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Speaker 2: we'll talk about later in the show is called the

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Speaker 2: the Peter Turchin End of America thing. But what he

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Speaker 2: really points to is that the Gilded Age is still

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Speaker 2: the most analogous period to where we are right now.

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Speaker 2: And I have a personal fascination, you know, with that

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Speaker 2: time period. But more and more I think about it,

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Speaker 2: I can't help but see not only the income parallels,

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Speaker 2: but the haughtiness and the arrogance of the American elite

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Speaker 2: at that time is exactly like it is today. It's

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Speaker 2: the same. And it took a First World War to

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Speaker 2: destroy them. I mean, it took a long and you know,

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Speaker 2: the horrible and bloody war to actually change that consensus.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The last thing that I'll say about these charts

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Speaker 1: that I think everyone should remember is that we can

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Speaker 1: have these assumptions and politics that partisan identification and certain

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Speaker 1: trends are just like immutable, like they are what they

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Speaker 1: are and it's just always going to be that way,

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Speaker 1: which is such a crazy way to think about politics

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Speaker 1: when you consider, like it wasn't very long ago, West

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Speaker 1: Virginia was a locked in democratic state, right and Colorado

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Speaker 1: was like leaned Republican and was definitely up for grabs.

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Speaker 1: Georgia was hard right, hard read. No Democrats diod a chance,

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Speaker 1: although if you go back a little bit further, Republicans

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Speaker 1: didn't stand a chance. So these things can't be taken

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Speaker 1: for granted as just like you know that this trend

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Speaker 1: is what it is and it's never going to change,

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Speaker 1: or that black voters are always got one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: identified with the Democratic Party and going to be locked in.

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Speaker 1: Things change, and they shift, and people are dynamic, they

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Speaker 1: change their minds, and you know, different generations have different

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Speaker 1: approaches to things. So if we could actually end by

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Speaker 1: putting that first chart a five back on the screen,

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Speaker 1: because there's one last thing I wanted to note about

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Speaker 1: that first chart. So a lot of the realignment racial

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Speaker 1: realignment that you see reflected in this chart where Republicans

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Speaker 1: almost close the gap, a lot of that is based

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Speaker 1: on twenty twenty four polling. So a lot of it,

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Speaker 1: see the very last piece where they really come together.

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Speaker 1: You see the trends prior to that, but a lot

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Speaker 1: of it where they really come together is based on polls,

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Speaker 1: not actual votes. And so that's going to be one

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Speaker 1: of the big stories of this election cycle is whether

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Speaker 1: or not this chart and the way it looks here

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Speaker 1: comes anything close to reality, or whether Democrats are able

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Speaker 1: to stem the tide a bit. And I think the

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Speaker 1: difference in that is, you know, the difference of who

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Speaker 1: was going to be the next part of the United

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Speaker 1: States right there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you you were absolutely right the big I

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Speaker 2: mean the big flashing red sign. And this is funny

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Speaker 2: because I was tweeting about this a little bit yesterday.

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Speaker 2: I had a couple of Democrats that I was chatting

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Speaker 2: with and they're like, hey, you can take all these

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Speaker 2: you know, non voters that you want. These people is like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: they may like you, they may have Instagram reels, but

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Speaker 2: they hate Democrats. They're really going to come out to

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Speaker 2: vote because our new white people, our rich white people.

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Speaker 2: Those people love voting more than anything else and nothing

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Speaker 2: gets them as jazzed up as a planned parenthood sticker

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Speaker 2: on the back of their car. And I mean, I

652
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Speaker 2: can make fun of them, but it's true. They vote,

653
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Speaker 2: They vote their interests, and they organize. They have a

654
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Speaker 2: lot of money, they have a lot of cultural capitals.

655
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Speaker 2: So I wouldn't bet against them either. I mean, those

656
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: you know in a certain sense, like you know, don't

657
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: don't screw with suburban white women, like they will come out.

658
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Speaker 2: They will come out to vote more than anybody else.

659
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Speaker 2: Let's move on to the next part here. This is

660
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Speaker 2: about Boeing. Been wanting to cover this story for quite

661
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Speaker 2: some time, and then some shocking, shocking news broke yesterday.

662
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Speaker 2: Let's put this up there on the screen. A Boeing

663
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Speaker 2: whistle blower was actually found dead here in the United

664
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Speaker 2: States in what is being claimed is an apparent suicide.

665
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Speaker 2: John Barnett. He had previously worked for Boeing for thirty

666
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Speaker 2: two years. He retired in twenty seventeen and since then

667
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Speaker 2: has spent his life being a whistleblower against the Boeing corporation.

668
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Speaker 2: In fact, in the days before his death, he was

669
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Speaker 2: giving evidence in this lawsuit against the company. He was

670
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Speaker 2: actually found dead in Charleston. The real thing that mister

671
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 2: Barnett had been whistleblowing about is that he previously worked

672
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Speaker 2: as a seven eighty seven Dreamliner quality manager at the

673
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Speaker 2: North Charleston plant, and he had specifically told BBC and

674
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Speaker 2: other outlets that under pressure, workers had been deliberately fitting

675
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 2: substandard parts to aircraft on the production line, and he

676
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Speaker 2: also said he had uncovered serious problems with their oxygen systems,

677
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: meaning that only one in four breathing mass would not

678
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Speaker 2: work in an emergency. So soon after then starting work

679
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: at that South Carolina company, became very concerned, eventually concerned

680
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Speaker 2: enough to leave and to cooperate with law enforcement, with

681
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Speaker 2: federal whistleblowers. He was an integral part actually of the

682
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Speaker 2: FAS examination back in twenty nineteen of the problems that

683
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Speaker 2: were happening over at Boeing, and was giving testimony in

684
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Speaker 2: their most recent investigation into what the hell happened with

685
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Speaker 2: Alaska Airlines. In the days before his death, he actually

686
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 2: gave an interview to TMZ with some pretty shocking claims.

687
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Speaker 2: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 7: One, this is not a seven three seven problem. It's

689
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 7: a bowling problem. And I know the FA's going in

690
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 7: and they've done due diligence and inspections to assure that

691
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 7: the door plugs of the seven three seven are installed

692
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Speaker 7: properly and the fasteners.

693
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Speaker 8: And door properly.

694
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Speaker 7: But my concern is what's the rest of the airplane,

695
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 7: what's the rest of condition of the airplane? And the

696
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Speaker 7: reason my concern for that is back in twenty twelve,

697
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 7: Boeing started removing inspection operations off there jobs, so it

698
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Speaker 7: left the mechanics to buy off their own work. So

699
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Speaker 7: what we're seeing with the door plug blowout is what

700
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Speaker 7: I've seen with the rest of the airplane, as far

701
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Speaker 7: as jobs not being completed properly, inspection of steps being removed,

702
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Speaker 7: issues being ignored. My concerns are with the seven three

703
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Speaker 7: seven and the seven eight seven because those programs have

704
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Speaker 7: really embraced the theory that quality is overhead and non

705
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 7: value added. Well, I'd taken a team of four inspectors

706
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Speaker 7: to Spirit Aerosystems to inspect the forty one section before

707
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Speaker 7: they sent it to Charleston, and we found three hundred defects.

708
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Speaker 7: Some of them were significant that needed engineering intervention. When

709
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Speaker 7: I returned to Charleston, my senior manager told me we

710
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 7: had found too many defects and he was going to

711
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Speaker 7: take the next trip. So the next trip he went on,

712
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Speaker 7: he took two of mine and when they got back

713
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 7: they were given accolades for only finding fifty defects. So

714
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Speaker 7: I pulled that inspector's side.

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Speaker 4: That's a good.

716
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Speaker 7: Spirit really clean up their act that quick. That don't

717
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Speaker 7: sound right.

718
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they certainly didn't. And in fact, just yesterday, Crystal,

719
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,959
Speaker 2: there was a new report from the FAA that they

720
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: caught Spirit Aerosystems Mechanics using liquid don dish soap as

721
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: lubricant for that seven thirty seven Max door seal instead

722
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Speaker 2: of you know, the properts livert lit to use. That's

723
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Speaker 2: how they're cutting costs over there in Boeing, and that's why,

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's been a lot of suspicion around mister

725
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Speaker 2: Barnett's death because you can see he was pulling no

726
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 2: punches and this isn't this is potentially a catastrophic event

727
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Speaker 2: for Bowing. Bowing his most important aviation company in the

728
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Speaker 2: United States, arguably in all of the West, huge military

729
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Speaker 2: supply contractor, et cetera. They are now facing a Justice

730
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Speaker 2: Department investigation, criminal investigation in this matter. And you know,

731
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Speaker 2: Alaska really took every It took the I think of

732
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Speaker 2: everybody's eyes on what's going on with this company and

733
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Speaker 2: how deep the rot really goes inside.

734
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. There's also news this morning that a

735
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Speaker 1: six week audit by the FAA of Boeing's production of

736
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Speaker 1: the seven thirty seven max Jet found dozens of problems

737
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Speaker 1: throughout the manufacturing process, according to a slide presentation that

738
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Speaker 1: The New York Times was able to review. They initiated

739
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Speaker 1: the examination after that door panel flew off. The agency

740
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: announced the audit had found multiple instances in which Boeing

741
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Speaker 1: and the supplier Spirit Aerosystems failed to comply with quality

742
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Speaker 1: control requirements, including the company had failed thirty three of

743
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Speaker 1: eighty nine audits during that examination conducted by the FAA.

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Speaker 1: And just to speak to you, the claims that this

745
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Speaker 1: whistleblower was in the middle of making when he was

746
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Speaker 1: found dead in his vehicle in a parking lot, some

747
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Speaker 1: of these claims had really been backed up by evidence,

748
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Speaker 1: according to the BBC. Boeing of course denied all his assertions.

749
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Speaker 1: We should put that out there. But in twenty seven

750
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Speaker 1: they did a review by the FAA and it did

751
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Speaker 1: uphold some of his concerns. It established the location of

752
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Speaker 1: at least fifty three non conforming parts in the factory

753
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Speaker 1: was unknown and were considered lost. Boeing was ordered to

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Speaker 1: take remedial action. That's relevant because he had said that

755
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Speaker 1: they were pulling parts out of the scrap heap that

756
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Speaker 1: had been rejected as non conforming and using them to

757
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Speaker 1: save time and cut costs, etc. So the fact that

758
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Speaker 1: these non conforming parts were missing were indicative of his

759
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: story being accurate. On the oxygen cylinders issue, the company

760
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: said in twenty seventeen it had identified some oxygen bottles

761
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Speaker 1: received from the supplier that were not deploying properly, but

762
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Speaker 1: denied that any of them were actually fitted on the aircraft.

763
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Speaker 1: But of course he had indicated that as many as

764
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Speaker 1: one in four oxygen masks were unlikely to deploy because

765
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Speaker 1: they were defective upon testing. So, yeah, the fact that

766
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Speaker 1: he was in the middle of making these complaints, making

767
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Speaker 1: his voice heard, and is found dead is extraordinary.

768
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really suspicious. And again, let's put this up there.

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Speaker 2: This is just days after that. The US Justice Department

770
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Speaker 2: is now opening a criminal inquiry into Boeing. This is

771
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Speaker 2: tied to the Alaska Airlines incident specifically. Boeing also said

772
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Speaker 2: told a Senate panel it cannot find record of the

773
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Speaker 2: work done on the Alaska plane. Really interesting. Can't find

774
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Speaker 2: any record, and I just want to take it back

775
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 2: to all of the I want to take it back

776
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 2: to the rot of this company because spirit Aero Systems

777
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 2: used to be a part of Boeing and then it

778
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 2: was sold off by Boeing in the pursuit of shareholderism

779
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Speaker 2: and of profit. So now what's happening now, as they

780
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: understand that they're in deep shit. Boeing is now trying

781
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Speaker 2: to rebuy Spirit Error Systems. And now they're in a

782
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 2: major crisis of the company because they're facing a Justice

783
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Speaker 2: Department investigation. And I mean, the craziest part of all

784
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Speaker 2: of this is that not even a few years ago

785
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Speaker 2: they were found liable and nearly faced a murder prosecution

786
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Speaker 2: for killing somewhat several hundred people in a faulty software update.

787
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Speaker 2: All of the fixes we're supposed to have been put

788
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Speaker 2: in place down a new CEO, new corporate practices. But

789
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Speaker 2: this tells you, like, it's not the new CEO problem,

790
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Speaker 2: it's that the company doesn't know how to build an

791
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 2: airplane anymore. And that can't get over it. Because this

792
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Speaker 2: is the backbone of US manufacturing, high tech manufacturing specifically,

793
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Speaker 2: it's one of the pride and joys of the US economy.

794
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Speaker 2: And as usual, you know, over the last seventy seventy

795
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Speaker 2: or forty thirty forty years, now, so it's the nineteen seventies.

796
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Speaker 2: It turns out that it's all just a financial fakery.

797
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Speaker 2: They hired Niki Haley on the board, buying back tens

798
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Speaker 2: of billions of dollars worth of their own stock. The

799
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Speaker 2: stock is doing great, you know, before this, even after

800
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Speaker 2: the you know, crazy incident, that's all they cared about.

801
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Speaker 2: They never cared about this, and then it all just

802
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 2: comes to head when a freaking door plug blows out

803
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Speaker 2: of the middle of the airplane. Lucky that it didn't

804
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 2: happen when they were cruising altitude and several people would

805
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Speaker 2: have been sucked.

806
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Speaker 5: Out and killed.

807
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think there are two major societal root cause

808
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Speaker 1: trends that led to these terrifying, horrifying and in certain instances,

809
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: deadly mistakes. Number one is, as you're discussing the financialization

810
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: of Boeing, which is something we see across companies, what

811
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Speaker 1: does that mean? It means rather than caring about having

812
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: the best engineers and the best product and making sure

813
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: Dan well sure that it is safe and ready to go,

814
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Speaker 1: Instead they were more focused on catering to the giant

815
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: casino that is Wall Street. So and that is not

816
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: specific to Boeing. But obviously, in the instance of Boeing,

817
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 1: the results are absolutely horrifying. Number two is a widespread

818
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: trend across democratic and Republican administrations in the neoliberal era

819
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Speaker 1: of defanging regulatory bodies and handing off some of their

820
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Speaker 1: key functions to industry itself. So over successive administrations, including

821
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Speaker 1: some very recent day regulation under the Trump administration, the

822
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: FAA has basically handed off a lot of its key

823
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Speaker 1: functions to relying on companies like Boeing to basically self certify. So,

824
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Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds insane, but I'm not kidding. This

825
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: is the direction that many government agencies have gone in

826
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Speaker 1: where they're not even really capable of doing the sort

827
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Speaker 1: of quality control and safety inspections that would be required

828
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Speaker 1: to ensure that the public is kept safe when they're

829
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Speaker 1: flying on one of these jets. It's handed off to industry.

830
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Speaker 1: So you have the fox watching the henhouse in this

831
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Speaker 1: instance and many others, And so that's how you end

832
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: up with a situation like this where you know, so

833
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: many things, such sloppy work. If the testimony of this whistleblower,

834
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Speaker 1: this now deceased whistleblower, is accurate, you know, just total

835
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: shoddy safety standards, commitment to the bottom line speed saving

836
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Speaker 1: costs above else, and you know, we see where this

837
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Speaker 1: leads to.

838
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're exactly right, Crystal. Hey, everybody, we

839
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 2: were taking the show and there were some major breaking

840
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 2: news that just came out. Some trans at least excerpts

841
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 2: from the transcripts of the Special Counsel that interviewed Joe

842
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 2: Biden and alleged that he at times had forgotten the

843
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 2: name of his son and Moore has now had and

844
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Speaker 2: been released ahead of Robert Hurst's testimony the Special Council

845
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 2: before Congress later on today. We wanted to take some

846
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 2: time out of the show just to bring you some

847
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 2: of the excerpts from that transcript, because, frankly, they are

848
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 2: extraordinary and they do back up. Mister Hurst claims, let's

849
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 2: go and put this up there on the screen, and

850
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: I'm going to read directly from the transcript, specifically from

851
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 2: the time when Biden appears to have forgotten the year

852
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: that his own son bo had died. He says, well,

853
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 2: several eyes, I don't know, this is twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,

854
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 2: that area the Special Council. Yes, sir, mister Biden, remember

855
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 2: in this timeframe, my son is either been deployed or

856
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: is dying. And so it was. And by the way,

857
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 2: there were a lot of people at the time when

858
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Speaker 2: I got out of the Senate that were encouraging me

859
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 2: to run at this point, except the President. I'm not

860
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 2: and not a mean thing to say. He just thought

861
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: that she had a better shot of winning the presidency

862
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: than I did. And so I hadn't at this point,

863
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Speaker 2: even though I'm at penn, I hadn't walked away from

864
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Speaker 2: the idea that I may run for office again. But

865
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Speaker 2: if I ran again, I'd be running for president. And

866
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Speaker 2: so what was happening? Though? What month did bo die?

867
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 4: Oh?

868
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 2: Was it May thirtieth? A White House lawyer? Twenty fifteen,

869
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: unidentified male speaker. Twenty fifteen, mister Biden. And this is

870
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: the key quote. Was it twenty fifteen he had died?

871
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 2: Unidentified male speaker? It was May of twenty fifteen, Biden?

872
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 2: It was twenty fifteen, his lawyer. I'm not sure of

873
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 2: the month, but I think that was the year. Another person,

874
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: that's right, mister President Biden. And then what's happened in

875
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 2: the meantime is that and Trump gets elected in November

876
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 2: of twenty seventeen, he asked, unidentified unidentified male speaker, twenty sixteen,

877
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. All right, so then why do I have

878
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen here, White House Counsel. That's when you left

879
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 2: office January of twenty seventeen. Yeah, okay, but that's when

880
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: Trump gets sworn in January, right, mister Bauer, right, correct, okay, yeah,

881
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 2: and in twenty seventeen bo had passed. And this is personal, so,

882
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 2: I mean, Crystal, this is crazy. Also, they haven't released

883
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 2: the line from this, but this is your and mind

884
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 2: favorite one so far. Mister Biden needed to be nudged

885
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: to recall the name of the federal agency that takes

886
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: custody of official records for the National Archives, or that

887
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 2: a fax machine is the name of the device that

888
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 2: transmit images of documents over phone. Minds ironic, because he's

889
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 2: so old, he probably did use fax machines, you know

890
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: the name, even if we have outlived them.

891
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: I have used a fax machine.

892
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 2: I've never used that.

893
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: But listen, I was saying, sometimes my brain feels a

894
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: little bit like this, but I do feel confident I

895
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: could always recall what the name of a fax machine was.

896
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 2: I mean let's be real here, like this is crazy,

897
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 2: here's yeah.

898
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: So a few things. First of all, you recall that

899
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: the president took great umbrage at the idea that he

900
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: could not recall when his son had passed. He also

901
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: took great umbrage at the notion that the Special Council

902
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: had even brought this up. Well, it's clear from the

903
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 1: transcript the Special Council didn't actually bring it up. Joe

904
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: Biden himself brought it up. And it is entirely accurate

905
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: to say he was unable to recall, even within a

906
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: few years, the date of when his son died. Not

907
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: only that, in the same exchange, you see him struggling

908
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: with the dates of when he was vice president. I mean, listen,

909
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: you guys who are watching are probably political junkies like

910
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: we are. I mean, those dates of two thousand and

911
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: eight and twenty sixteen are permanently etched in our heads

912
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 1: as these seminal political moments of Barack Obama getting elected

913
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: and then Donald Trump getting elected and being sworn in,

914
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: Not in twenty not in twenty sixteen, not in November

915
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 1: of twenty seventeen, but in January of twenty seventeen, when

916
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: he's sworn in, so to be really struggling to grapple

917
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: with this basic timeline is really something. And then you

918
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: know the line about he couldn't recall what a fax

919
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: machine was. You know, there's a lot of coworld reading

920
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 1: the New York Times accounting of this transcript. There's a

921
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: lot of cope in there about, well, they didn't talk

922
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: about all the times when he was lucid, and they

923
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: didn't talk about the fact that he seemed to have

924
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 1: this really great recall of the layout of his own house,

925
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: which is like, okay, to be impressed with that, But

926
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: you know, I think it speaks to the fact that

927
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: you can have moments like President Biden did in the

928
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: State of the Union, where he more or less had

929
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: it together and seem, you know, energetic and lucid, et cetera.

930
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: And then you also have times, and anyone who has

931
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: elderly loved ones, friends, family and whatever can relate to this.

932
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: You also have times that are very foggy and where

933
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: you're struggling with basic name, states, places, et cetera. So

934
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: I think the transcript is entirely consistent with that understanding

935
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: of where the president is mentally, and that understanding, which

936
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: is shared with the American people think it also soccer

937
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: underscores the some of the predictions we were making about

938
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: how the impact of the state of the Union, which

939
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: was you know, built so highly by the punnic class,

940
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: is unlikely to be stained because for every instance that

941
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 1: you have like that where he seems like, all right,

942
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: he's still got some you know, gas in the tank,

943
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,959
Speaker 1: there are instances like what's represented in this report where

944
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: he's struggling, he's fumbling, he's mixing up names, he's mixing

945
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: up countries, presidents of countries, et cetera.

946
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, and it's not an exaggeration. Again,

947
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 2: I'm going to read directly from the transcript. He says,

948
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 2: do you have any idea where a material would have

949
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,399
Speaker 2: been before it was moved into your garage? Biden? Well,

950
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 2: if it was twenty thirteen, then he goes, when did

951
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: I stop being vice president? Someone says twenty seventeen, So

952
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 2: it goes, so if I was vice president, it must

953
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 2: have come from that stuff. That's all I can think of.

954
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 2: Then he later on is asked, my problem is I

955
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 2: never knew where any documents were coming from or who

956
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 2: packed them, just that I got them delivered to me.

957
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 2: So at this stage two thousand and nine, am I

958
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 2: still vice president? Someone whispers to him. He goes, yeah, okay,

959
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: I mean again, you and I both know. I'm like, yeah, dude,

960
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: he became vice president in January of two thousand and nine,

961
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 2: when Barack Obama took the oath of office. So yes,

962
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 2: in two thousand and nine, you were the vice president.

963
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 2: Twenty seventeen, we all know when Barack Obama left office

964
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 2: and Donald Trump assumed office. Like, how do you not

965
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 2: recall that immediately off the top of your head. I

966
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 2: had previously seen Joe Scarborough defend Biden and be like,

967
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 2: I loved my mother more than anyone else. And if

968
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 2: you immediately asked me, I may not know the time,

969
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: the exact year that she had died. I'm like, well,

970
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 2: first of all, that's concerning. Second, I don't believe you.

971
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 2: But third is what it becomes clear here. It is

972
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: a pattern of being clearly mixed up. More so, it

973
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 2: is backed up entirely by multiple public moments. Crystal of

974
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 2: confusing the President of France with Mitrand, who is now dead.

975
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 2: He has been gone for so long and no longer

976
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 2: the president confusing the names and the leaders on top

977
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 2: of people that he used to consort with or his

978
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 2: times in the past, Like this is all a much

979
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 2: bigger pattern in his public life, which is now confirmed shockingly,

980
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,959
Speaker 2: honestly in an official transcript by the Department, who again

981
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 2: concluded they could not prosecute him because no jury would

982
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 2: believe that like a doddering old man, you know, willfully

983
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 2: was trying to hold secrets inside of his garage.

984
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. And you know, there's a lot expressed

985
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: that we can see in these bits of the transcript

986
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 1: that we have in front of us about he has

987
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: no idea how this is what he's saying, no idea

988
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: how these boxes came to get there, no idea what's

989
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: in those boxes, doesn't even recall the documents that are

990
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: in these boxes, et cetera. And so I think that

991
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: plays into the Special Council's recommendation not to charge him,

992
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: based on the fact that you know, a jury would

993
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 1: be like this man is confused about all kinds of things,

994
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 1: including how these boxes apparently ended up in his garage.

995
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: The other thing that I'll say here is that you know,

996
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 1: the American people have legitimate concerns about what's contained in

997
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: this Special Council report, how that reflects upon his ability

998
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: to do the job. These are you know, understandable, legitimate

999
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: based on their experience of the president and at this

1000
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: point in his life, and his team is also sort

1001
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: of communicating to the public that they also don't have

1002
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: confidence in his ability to assuage these concerns, which is

1003
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: why they keep him hidden so much. You know, it's

1004
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: one thing, Yes, he did the State of the Union

1005
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: off of a teleprompter. It was okay for all things considered,

1006
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 1: but you know, free form interviews with difficult difficult interview,

1007
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: worse giving press of ails, et cetera. We know the

1008
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: way that they have really sheltered and shielded him from

1009
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: those exchanges. There has not been a commitment yet to

1010
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 1: even debate with Donald Trump. I don't that may be

1011
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: a smart strategy, but in terms of democracy, they really

1012
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 1: owe it to the American people for them to get

1013
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: a sense of where he really is, not just on

1014
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: one night, but overall a more complete picture in general.

1015
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: And listen, I also want to say, there are a

1016
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: lot of people that despise Donald Trump, and even if

1017
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: he's consistently as sort of befuddled as he comes off

1018
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: at times in this transcript, may still say I don't care,

1019
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: like it's not a great situation, but I'm still going

1020
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: to vote for Joe Biden. But they really do owe

1021
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: it to the American people to make him more available

1022
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: so that that determination could really be made.

1023
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 2: Yep, I totally agree. But yeah, it'll be up to

1024
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 2: the American people. What I just can't believe is that

1025
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 2: they actually do want to run him for four actually

1026
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 2: five more years remaining in the office.

1027
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: It is what it is, all right, guys, some very

1028
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: interesting news vis a vi bb Netnya Who's so the

1029
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: US has released in intelligence assessment. This happened just yesterday,

1030
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: which shed some insight I think into some of the

1031
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: political maneuvering, maybe less so the actual reality of the

1032
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: Netnyaho coalition and its strength in Israel. Let's go and

1033
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. So this intelligence assessment,

1034
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: called the threat Assessment, raised doubts about whether or not

1035
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: net nyah who could stay in power, as the CIA

1036
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: director said a hostage deal was the most practical way

1037
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: to halt, at least temporarily, the war in Gaza. That

1038
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: threat assessment says the net NYA, whose right wing coalition

1039
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: quote may be in jeopardy. Here's specifically the language in

1040
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 1: the report. They say, distrust of Netna who's ability to

1041
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: rule has deepened and broadened across the public from its

1042
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: already high levels before the war, and we expect large

1043
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: protests demanding his resignation and new elections quote a different,

1044
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: more moderate government is a possibility. The report also predicted

1045
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: that Israel would have trouble achieving its stated goal of

1046
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: destroying Hamas. Quote Israel probably will face a lingering armed

1047
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: resistance from Hamas for years to come, and the military

1048
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 1: will struggle to neutralize hamasa's underground infrastructure, which allows insurgents

1049
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: to hide, regain strength and surprise Israeli forces. Sosager. It's

1050
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: interesting that this was included in this report, obviously a

1051
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: very intentional inclusion. Now, whether or not that right wing

1052
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: coalition is in fact in jeopardy is, you know, as

1053
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 1: a real question mark. There's definitely a lot of fishers

1054
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 1: there that have come out into the public. The public

1055
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 1: definitely does not support Nanyaho, although a significant amount at

1056
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 1: least feel like he should stay. They shouldn't have new

1057
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: elections until asked after the war is concluded, which is

1058
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: why he wants the WOR to continue basically indefinitely. So

1059
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: there are some real fishers and problems there for him,

1060
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: which we've spoken about before. But what I took more

1061
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: note of is just the fact that this was this

1062
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,959
Speaker 1: sort of like shot across the bow from the Biden

1063
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 1: administration to express their displeasure with Phoebe and also positions

1064
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,919
Speaker 1: their critique of Israel as just being about this one

1065
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 1: person versus these sort of broader issues, and it doesn't

1066
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: reflect the fact that you know, the entire security cabinet,

1067
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,240
Speaker 1: whether they're a quote unquote moderate or right wing like Nannyah,

1068
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: who are more or less basically united, as is the

1069
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: public behind this all at assault on a Godza strip.

1070
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Odie and I their threat assessment. It is

1071
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 2: a political document, like people should be very clear about that.

1072
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 2: I read most of it yesterday just it was interested.

1073
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 2: I like to see what the CIA and all them

1074
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 2: been cooking up in terms of their fakery on Ukraine.

1075
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 2: That's why I was reading through. But I read through

1076
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 2: the Israel thing and actually didn't strike me because I

1077
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Speaker 2: hadn't thought of it in the political way that you are.

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Speaker 2: But it should have been obvious is this is the

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Speaker 2: bipartisan or sorry, this is the democratic like emerging consensus.

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Speaker 2: We're like, well, I read a bb and now the

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Speaker 2: government has this fake intelligence. Maybe you know that his

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00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,280
Speaker 2: coalition and all that have been undermined. And I don't know, Crystal.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, I think there's no doubt he's tremendously unpopular.

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Speaker 2: At the same time, it's March twelfth, like it's been

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00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 2: a long time since October seventh, he's still there. This

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Speaker 2: lasted longer than Liz trusts, and she did not nearly

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Speaker 2: as bad as Bibi, right, So if the political will

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00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 2: was there, I feel like something would happen. I'm not

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Speaker 2: as confident that Netanya, who is as weak, you know,

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Speaker 2: as people may think, especially if there's ongoing on hostilities.

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Speaker 2: Obviously why it's his direct interest to continue to do so.

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Speaker 2: But it is noteworthy for the political point.

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Speaker 1: That yeah, I see it as part of the rest

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Speaker 1: of the pr campaign that we've been tracking. The Oh

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00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: we're really concerned about civilians. We're going to do you

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00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 1: know a humanitarian aid drop that you killed five people

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Speaker 1: and barely contains any aid, or we're going to build

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Speaker 1: over multi months with one thousand plus US soldiers this

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Speaker 1: temporary port when we could just pressure Israels who actually

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Speaker 1: let in the trucks that are a mass at the

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Speaker 1: border right now, and by the way, pressure them to

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Speaker 1: stop the bombing. But we don't want to actually change

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Speaker 1: our policy. We just want to change the way the

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Speaker 1: Democratic base feels about that policy. So, you know, putting

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Speaker 1: out this this is like the next iteration of all

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00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 1: those leaks early on about how Biden was having really

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Speaker 1: tough conversations with net Yahoo. This is like the next

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Speaker 1: iteration of that. It comes after Kamala Harris said the

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Speaker 1: words cease fire, saying temporary ceasefire, so not the lasting

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Speaker 1: ceasepire that you know, the majority of the American public

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Speaker 1: wants to see, but co opting that language. It comes

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Speaker 1: after very significantly actually inviting Benny Gantz, a rival of

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00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: net NA who's an also member of the Security Cabinet,

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00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: to come visit with the Vice President and also with

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00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: Jake Sullivan over the objections of net Nyaho. So again,

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00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: I think they're trying to posture for the American public

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00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: and especially for the Democratic base that they get it.

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00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: They care about Palestinians, they don't like this bad guy,

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00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: this bad Apple Net Yahoo, even though the problems go

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Speaker 1: far beyond him. So that's the sort of vein that

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing this in as part and parcel with the

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Speaker 1: rest of the pr push to change the imaging and

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Speaker 1: branding of the US complicity and the genocide without actually

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Speaker 1: changing the US policy of being complicit in the genocide.

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Speaker 1: At the same time, Bib Natanyahu himself notably gave a

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Speaker 1: big interview over to Fox and Fox News, Fox and Friends,

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Speaker 1: where he made some interesting comments, including some that are

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Speaker 1: very disconnected from reality, about how Americans feel about Israel's

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Speaker 1: assault on Goz At this point, let's take a listen.

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Speaker 8: I'm telling you that we have to take care of

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00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 8: Israel's security in our future, and that requires eliminating the

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Speaker 8: terrorist army. That's a prerequisite for victory. That victory is

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Speaker 8: important not only for us, it's important for the civilized

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Speaker 8: world as we're finding these barbarians. And let me tell

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Speaker 8: you something. You know, I've seen these recent polls were

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Speaker 8: eighty two percent of Americans support Israel and its battle

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Speaker 8: against Kamas. Eighty two percent. That's been constant over the

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Speaker 8: last five months. So they recognize that our battle is

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Speaker 8: your battle, and our victory is your victory. And I'm

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Speaker 8: sure that deep down everyone in Washington understands that.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not sure where he's getting his numbers from.

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Speaker 1: That eighty two percent of Americans support Israel and have

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Speaker 1: consistently supported Israel since October seventh. Let's go and put

1144
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Speaker 1: this up on the screen. Just put some actual numbers

1145
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Speaker 1: to it. This was quoted by Ken Roth. He says

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Speaker 1: more than half of Americans state Washington should hold weapons

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00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: shipments to Israel until it stops the assault on Gaza.

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00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: According to a new poll, many in the Democratic Party

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Speaker 1: want Biden to use some of the US considerable military

1150
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Speaker 1: aid to Israel as a lever. We've been tracking this,

1151
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: of course, Saga. I mean overwhelming numbers in favor of

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Speaker 1: a ceasefire, especially among the Democratic based, huge, huge numbers

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Speaker 1: in favor of a ceasefire. Now we have a majority

1154
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Speaker 1: saying hey, we should not be shipping weapons until they

1155
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Speaker 1: stop this assault on Gaza. So I don't know where

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00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: his eighty two percent number is coming from, but it

1157
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: is incredibly fanciful and disconnected from reality. In addition, you know,

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Speaker 1: he continues to use this framing like, oh, our war

1159
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: is your war and you know, pulling us into this. Listen,

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Speaker 1: in a sense, he's right because of the way that

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00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: we've supported it. But you know, the idea that this

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Speaker 1: has some broader global stakes outside of the conflict between

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Speaker 1: Israel and Gaza. I mean, that's the other piece that

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Speaker 1: has always been objectionable to me.

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Speaker 2: Well, that is certainly what he would like, because he

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01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 2: wants to pawn everything off after the day of the

1167
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 2: war ends, onto us truly, and for us to pay

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Speaker 2: for it, as we are already doing with this new

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Speaker 2: Gaza peer and thousands of American soldiers that will be involved.

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Speaker 2: His dream is for us to occupy Gaza and for

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Speaker 2: him them to just you know, disappear. I guess Scott free. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: there's also no Palestinian state. Interesting, you know, how they

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Speaker 2: get everything that they want. He really struck this also

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Speaker 2: later on in the interview Crystal, where he frames it

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Speaker 2: not even in terms of a US war, but how

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Speaker 2: this is good for Islam, this is good for Muslims

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Speaker 2: in the region, this is good for Gosins. This is

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Speaker 2: very Iraq war esque, like trying to make a coalition

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Speaker 2: of the willing and a liberation of the country itself.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 8: The future of the Middle East, the future of many Muslims,

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Speaker 8: the future of Gosins is dependent on our victory, and

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Speaker 8: we don't intend to get up. We're going to achieve

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Speaker 8: this victory, I hope with the solid support of the

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Speaker 8: American government as we've had up to now, and I

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Speaker 8: hope it continues.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there you go. It's now. It's a war

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Speaker 2: for gossins, It's war of liberation. A lot. There's just

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Speaker 2: so many rings to Iraq, you know, throughout all this,

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Speaker 2: from the response to not understanding how the international community

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Speaker 2: is responding to the lack of day after you know,

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Speaker 2: plan or even if they do have a plan, and

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Speaker 2: whether they're going to execute it or not. So I

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Speaker 2: don't know. I mean rhetoric like this, it's clearly built

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Speaker 2: for somebody to be clear, it's obvious why it's going

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Speaker 2: on Fox News. I wish just for once, he would

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Speaker 2: do an interview in his own country with his own media,

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Speaker 2: because they would actually press him.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 2: Even though Israeli societies buy and large behind the war,

1201
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 2: they're much more you know, they're much more willing to

1202
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 2: ask real questions, ask a hostage question or something. These

1203
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 2: people ask him nothing. It's just like sounding off on

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01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 2: Fox News. Ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: It's also, I mean, it contributes to the increasingly partisan

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Speaker 1: valance of how Americans feel about the state of Israel.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, Nano has been long been a part

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Speaker 1: of affiliating that is, the you know, the cause of

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01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: Israel and Zionism directly with the Republican Party. This goes

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Speaker 1: back to Obama when he was very opposed Netna, was

1211
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Speaker 1: very opposed to the Iranian nuclear deal. He comes over

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Speaker 1: the objections of Obama, speaks to Congress, and you know

1213
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: it's from there that you see this trend developing. And

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01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: now you know, you see very clearly the overwhelming majority

1215
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Speaker 1: of the Democratic base wildly disagrees with Biden's unconditional support

1216
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Speaker 1: of Israel policy. Quite a lot of independence do, a

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01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: not insignificant number of the Republican base does. But Republican

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01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: elected politicians are almost completely locked up, with basically the

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Speaker 1: exception of like Thomas Massey in support of effectively the

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Speaker 1: Biden policy, even though they posture is like, oh, we

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Speaker 1: want to go even further, like there's much further that

1222
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Speaker 1: you could really go. But there was another moment in

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Speaker 1: this interview that was quite noteworthy, not because it's new,

1224
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 1: but because it's somewhat new for Americans to be grappling

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Speaker 1: with the fact that the Israelis, especially led by bib Nanya,

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Speaker 1: who have no interest in a Palestinian state, which remember,

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Speaker 1: has been the official stated goal and policy all the

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Speaker 1: United States of America for literally decades now. And you

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Speaker 1: know here he is saying, listen, no one wants a

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Speaker 1: Palestinian state. Me least of all, let's take a listen

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Speaker 1: to that.

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Speaker 8: Ninety nine to nine Knnestant members that's over ninety percent

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Speaker 8: supported my policy of opposing a Palestinian state being rammed

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01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 8: down Israel's throat. That's what we had the other day.

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Speaker 8: So when people say, well, we have to have this,

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Speaker 8: you know, talk with Nataniel because he's holding back the

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01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 8: prospect of this wondrous peace for the Palestinian state. You

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Speaker 8: don't have an issue with me. You have an issue

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Speaker 8: with the entire people of Israel. They're really united as

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Speaker 8: never before and uniting to destroy Hamas and ensure that

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Speaker 8: we don't have another Palestinian terrorist state like the one

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Speaker 8: they had in Gaza that could threaten the of the

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Speaker 8: state of Israel. That's something that the people of Israeli

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Speaker 8: are united behind, and for what I can see, most

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Speaker 8: Americans support that as well.

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Speaker 1: So he's saying, listen, in Israel, we're united. We don't

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01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 1: want a Palestinian state. Now, he wildly overstates the case,

1248
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: because you know, when you actually pull israelis there is

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Speaker 1: still some support among the Israeli public for an eventual

1250
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Speaker 1: Palestinian state. Can put this up on the screen. This

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Speaker 1: was the latest pull I could find. The question also

1252
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 1: is quite specific to the moment, so I thought that

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Speaker 1: was good too. Poulterers asked, you support or oppose the

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Speaker 1: notion that as part of a deal to end the war,

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Speaker 1: which will include long term military quiet guarantees from the

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Speaker 1: US and a peace agreement with Arab states such as

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Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, Israel should agree to the establishment of a

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Speaker 1: Palestinian state. Fifty one percent said no, But you do

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01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: have thirty six percent who say yes. So it's not

1260
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Speaker 1: like it's one hundred percent uniform. But Bibi is making

1261
01:04:56,680 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 1: it as clear as Dayan said repeatedly, many many times

1262
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Speaker 1: now to the US public directly, I do not want

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Speaker 1: a Palestinian state. I will stand in opposition to a

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Speaker 1: Palestinian state. It has been my lifelong goal to block

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Speaker 1: a Palestinian state. And so that part of the particular

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01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 1: US fantasy about the Israeli government position and the idea

1267
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Speaker 1: that the problem in terms of thwarting a peace deal

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Speaker 1: is solely on the Palestinian side, that particular fantasy. He

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01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 1: is insisting on getting rid of, wiping clean, shooting down,

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Speaker 1: and it's pathetic and humiliating for the Biden administration that

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Speaker 1: they can't really acknowledge or gropple with that, and that

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Speaker 1: he feels perfectly comfortable to go on American television and

1273
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Speaker 1: put that in their face that like, yeah, I know

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Speaker 1: that's your goal, but I don't care. I am completely

1275
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Speaker 1: opposed to it, always had been and always will be.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: That's the issue is that it's like a fantasy version

1278
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 2: of Israel that lives in their head, not the real

1279
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 2: one that most people are grappling with. That's also why

1280
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Speaker 2: some of the public polling such diverges with a lot

1281
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Speaker 2: of the rhetoric that we see out of the administration.

1282
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 2: But eventually they will have to grapple with reality. You know,

1283
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Speaker 2: the war will come to the end one day and

1284
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 2: then what you know, what exactly are we going to do.

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01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 2: We'll see yep. Indeed, let's move on to the next part.

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Speaker 2: There's some really shocking and just terrible footage that is

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Speaker 2: coming out of Ukraine. There's been footage now that has

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Speaker 2: been verified of Ukrainian border guards who actually caught several

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Speaker 2: men of conscription age who are attempting to flee the country.

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Speaker 2: Each of them had paid ten thousand euros to actually

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Speaker 2: escape Ukraine. Ukrainian border guards caught them and beat them

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Speaker 2: actually on camera. We can place some of that that

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Speaker 2: you can see here. I mean, it's just really brutal treatment,

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Speaker 2: as you guys can see, like being dragged out, thrown

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Speaker 2: on the ground, being beaten up, being harangued there at

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Speaker 2: the border, and it is just illustrative of the desperate

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Speaker 2: conditions that a lot of the people in the country

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Speaker 2: now feel as the war continues to not doing very well,

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Speaker 2: and I think that, you know, this reality is beginning

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Speaker 2: to sink in for a lot of people. The CIA

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Speaker 2: director actually just yesterday testified he's like, well, you know,

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Speaker 2: without usaid, we're going to see a lot more of

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Speaker 2: the falls of Atvika. But the irony is is that

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Speaker 2: the reason that we have to get more aid. Is

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Speaker 2: that then maybe in twenty twenty five they can change

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Speaker 2: the status quo. I mean the status quo. You can't

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Speaker 2: change the fact that you have a population that doesn't

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Speaker 2: particularly want to fight. As evidenced here, most of those

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Speaker 2: who did want to fight are either dead or now maimed.

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Speaker 2: The average age is some forty eight to fifty years old.

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Speaker 2: In the Ukrainian military, they've been unable to adopt Western

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Speaker 2: style tactics successfully. What they can do is to employ

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Speaker 2: a massive amount of artillery ammunition. Here's the problem. We

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Speaker 2: literally don't produce even one third the entire west of

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Speaker 2: what Russia can do in a single year. I mean,

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Speaker 2: all of the odds are stacked against them, and the

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01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 2: fundamentals of the conflict have been basically the same from

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Speaker 2: day one f Sixteen's Crystal As you'll remember. The only

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Speaker 2: thing that I think more AID would do now at

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Speaker 2: this point is have the Ukrainians be in such a

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Speaker 2: risky position that they would get US involved. And we're

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Speaker 2: starting to see some of this. The checks, the French,

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Speaker 2: the polls are all trying to normalize now the idea

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Speaker 2: that NATO troops should have to go in and on

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Speaker 2: the ground, which of course is full blown World War three.

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Speaker 2: That's their plan what they have right now.

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Speaker 1: Otherwise, I mean, they have no pay, they don't have

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Speaker 1: a shot prayer victory. So yeah, I mean we've seen

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Speaker 1: the way that there's been this escalation from the beginning

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Speaker 1: of the Ukraine War of all these red lines that

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Speaker 1: were drawn about you know what we would and wouldn't send,

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Speaker 1: and we just keep you know, walking by them, walking

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Speaker 1: by them, walking by them, and eventually you get to

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Speaker 1: the point where the only thing left is all right,

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Speaker 1: you need troops because you don't have enough fighting men

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Speaker 1: left or willing. So I guess we're going to come

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Speaker 1: in and do that as well, which is why you

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Speaker 1: really can't just hand wave away some of the things

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Speaker 1: that Emmanuel Macron in particular has been saying. You know,

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Speaker 1: I mean this video is I think it's really important

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Speaker 1: for a number of reasons. Number one, it underscores the

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Speaker 1: fact that even though I'm sure that if you ask

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Speaker 1: Ukrainians like, do you want to keep, you know, in

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01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 1: theory fighting and reclaim your land, You're going to get

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Speaker 1: an overwhelming yes. But when you ask Ukrainians, are you

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Speaker 1: personally at this point willing to risk your life in

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Speaker 1: service of that goal. The answer is increasingly.

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Speaker 3: Know.

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Speaker 1: It also underscores the fact, you know, these men had

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Speaker 1: paid a significant amount of money to try to avoid

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Speaker 1: the draft, and this was something that we had talked

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Speaker 1: about before, the fact that you know, those there is

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01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 1: a significant corruption problem in Ukraine. So those who have

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Speaker 1: been able to pay, who have the money, have buy

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01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 1: and large been able to escape fighting in the war.

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Speaker 1: And so it's left to the poor and those without

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Speaker 1: the means or the political connections who were sent into

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Speaker 1: this meat grinder, and increasingly you're running out of those

1359
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Speaker 1: as well. So as much as the you know, military

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Speaker 1: weapon issue is acute for Ukraine, the manpower issue is

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Speaker 1: at least as acute for Ukraine. I think that is

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Speaker 1: part of what comes out in this city.

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Speaker 2: I've said this too. I saw it personally. I was

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Speaker 2: in Budapest and in Vienna. They're Ukrainians everywhere. It's a joke,

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01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 2: like the tour guides joke about it. They're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: by the luxury hotels, They're like, look at all these

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Speaker 2: Ukrainian plates. There was a joke in Vienna that every

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01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 2: strip club in the city has been packed full for

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Speaker 2: two years by all these rich Ukrainian dudes who don't

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Speaker 2: want to fight and are filthy rich. I mean a

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Speaker 2: certain point, you can't judge them because they paid their

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Speaker 2: way out and they don't want to. But it's more

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01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 2: one of those where it's like, really, this is such

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01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,719
Speaker 2: an open secret in all of Europe, and yet here,

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01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 2: especially in Central Europe, but over here, like we have

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01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 2: a fantasy version of this conflict. You also see the

1377
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 2: continued descent is completely crushed no matter where it comes from.

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Speaker 2: Let's put this up there on the screen. The recent

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Speaker 2: target of Ukrainian propaganda is the Pope, who has provoked

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Speaker 2: outrage for saying that Ukraine should have the courage to

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Speaker 2: quote raise the white flags and end the war with Russia.

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Speaker 2: I shall also be clear, he didn't actually specify that

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01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 2: Ukraine should be the one, but he said that people

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Speaker 2: should have the courage to quote raise the right flag

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Speaker 2: and to end the war in order to stop the suffering,

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Speaker 2: to which the Ukrainian Foreign minister said, our flag is

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Speaker 2: a yellow blue one. This is the flag by which

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Speaker 2: we will live, die, and we will prevail. We shall

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Speaker 2: never raise any other flags. And the Ukrainian President Vladimir

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Speaker 2: Zelenski said that the Pontiff was quote engaging in virtual

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Speaker 2: mediation and that they support us with the prayer and

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01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 2: their beliefs. But this is indeed what a church with

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01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,959
Speaker 2: the people is, not twenty five hundred kilometers away somewhere,

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01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,759
Speaker 2: mediation between someone who wants to live and who wants

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Speaker 2: to destroy you. We've also seen, let's put this next

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Speaker 2: one up there, that they are now Ukrainian propaganda accounts

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Speaker 2: that are tarnishing the Pope in a Russian made flag,

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01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 2: as if that's going to be a popular strategy all

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Speaker 2: across Europe and for a lot of the people who

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01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:59,719
Speaker 2: have been calling for peace in Ukraine. But it just demonstrates,

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01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 2: Chris how unhinge the discourse remains, and it's just a

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01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 2: basic concept floated there by the Pope and he was

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01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 2: like almost immediately crushed. You actually see some of this

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01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 2: too whenever he talks about Israel and gods as well.

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01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, not necessarily surprised, but it does show you

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01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 2: how crazy the rhetoric that remains inside Ukraine is and

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01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 2: it does not match any of the actions that anyone

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01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:22,639
Speaker 2: with the eyes can see.

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Speaker 1: The Foreign Minister of Ukraine seemed to equate the Pope's

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01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 1: position here to Nazi collaboration in the last century. He said,

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01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 1: first of all, he called on Francis to stand on

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01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 1: the side of good, not put Russia and Ukraine on

1413
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 1: the same footing and call it negotiations. He also appeared

1414
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 1: to refer to collaboration between some of the Catholic Church

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Speaker 1: and Nazi forces during the Second World War. Quote at

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Speaker 1: the same time, when it comes to the white Flag,

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01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 1: we know this Vatican strategy from the first half of

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Speaker 1: the twentieth century. I urged to avoid repeating the mistakes

1419
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 1: of the past and to support Ukraine and its people

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01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 1: in their just struggle for their lives. The reality is,

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01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 1: if we had actually cared about the Ukrainian people, we

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01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 1: would not have short circuited those negotiations early on. Obama

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01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 1: actually had warned Biden back during his administration not to

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01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 1: over promise the Ukrainians, knowing the limits of what our

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01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 1: support could do. But we again engaged in this delusional

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01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 1: and very arrogant view that said, oh, we can keep

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01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 1: our hands clean and just you know, ship some weapons

1428
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 1: will be good for our economy, the military, the military

1429
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 1: industrial base will love it, and we'll be able to

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Speaker 1: destroy Russia. We're going to use our economic sanctions, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: None of that has gone the way that they thought

1432
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 1: it would, you know, at least of all the sanctions

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01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 1: at this point, we threw Russia's the most sanctioned country

1434
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 1: on the planet. We threw our entire playbook at them

1435
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 1: and basically gave a preview of how limited the efficacy

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01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 1: of those sanctions actually is. So way to go, guys.

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Speaker 2: Great strategy, that's totally shocking, and yet very little changing

1438
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,680
Speaker 2: there in terms of the status quo. Perhaps reality will

1439
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 2: eventually sit in, but it is not today.

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01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, some notable comments from Bill Maher recently. We

1441
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 1: always love his political evolutions. Here this man support of

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01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders in twenty sixty though, I mean he yeah,

1443
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 1: in theory did Then he goes to Amy Kolobashar in

1444
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and now he's got a new idea of

1445
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:29,480
Speaker 1: his dream ticket. Let's takealism.

1446
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 9: I know it's crazy to think that she could run

1447
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 9: with Biden, but that's my dream, a unity ticket, and

1448
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 9: then he would, I think, definitely win because nobody's going

1449
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 9: to And of course she said some crazy things most

1450
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 9: politicians have not as crazy as we've never been a

1451
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 9: racist country. I mean that's pretty crazy.

1452
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 2: But you would literally destroy the Democratic base. I mean,

1453
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 2: take off the first African American female Vitu.

1454
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:59,639
Speaker 5: She's a woman of color, but it's just.

1455
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 2: Like women are like the the Democratic Party.

1456
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:06,559
Speaker 1: So he's talking there about dream ticket with Joe Biden

1457
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 1: and Nikki really.

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01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 2: Or bit Romney of course, don't want erase Mitt Romney. Yeah,

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01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean this is this is one

1460
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 2: of those where every time a unity ticket gets mentioned,

1461
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:19,599
Speaker 2: you should be terrified. The last unity ticket that almost

1462
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 2: materialized in America was John McCain and Joe Lieberman, two

1463
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 2: of the most unhinged neo cons to ever live. Can

1464
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 2: you imagine how many wars we would have been in

1465
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 2: if those two had ever been elected to the presidency.

1466
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:32,599
Speaker 2: I would have rather had Sarah Palin and the Vice

1467
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 2: President's chair and then Joe Lieberman. But you know, media

1468
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 2: eats this crap up. They love it, the idea that

1469
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 2: Nicki and Biden are going to join forces. Or again,

1470
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 2: Mitt Romney, It's like, what do these people believe? Like, yeah,

1471
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 2: they may talk nice, they may also not like Trump,

1472
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 2: what do they fundamentally believe it? Turns out it's some

1473
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 2: crazy stuff here. They always erase that they'd rather take

1474
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 2: the rhetoric whatever.

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01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 1: There's some real alignment between Nicki and Biden on Israel, certain,

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01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,599
Speaker 1: and of course there's onement between Biden and Trump on

1477
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 1: Israel as well. So great democratic choices we have here.

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01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 1: How do you think this ticket would actually perform though?

1479
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 1: Do you think it would do well if you didn't

1480
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 1: care about the policy and the idea of you know,

1481
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:16,160
Speaker 1: having this neocon is vice part to whatever. If you

1482
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 1: put that aside and you're just talking about pure electoral politics,

1483
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 1: how do you think it would.

1484
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 2: Do I hate to say it, I actually think he's right,

1485
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:23,599
Speaker 2: and I think it would do well. I do think

1486
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 2: I say I think I respect Terra the person who

1487
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 2: said that it would destroy the democratic coolish Yeah, Democratic

1488
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 2: coalistion and hates Trump so much they're going to vote

1489
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 2: for anybody who's not named Trump. Second, Nikki Haley, as

1490
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:34,760
Speaker 2: we've all seen, she gets about a third of the

1491
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:37,600
Speaker 2: people who vote in these GOP primaries, suburban women, and

1492
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 2: all of them they do love her. They love that

1493
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 2: particular brand, rhetoric, the kicking whatever direction that she is.

1494
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:45,760
Speaker 2: I can see it. Actually, I hate to say it.

1495
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:48,680
Speaker 2: I actually think that given what we talked about in

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01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 2: our earliest segment of the show about a lot of

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01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:53,559
Speaker 2: rich people preferring Democrats, now you can get a decent

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01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,919
Speaker 2: amount of the rich peopleho are still Republicans to crossover

1499
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 2: to vote for somebody like her. They fetishize the idea

1500
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 2: of you know, unity in the worst possible way, and

1501
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 2: it may draw enough of these rich small business owner

1502
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 2: Republicans who don't like Trump to at least consider voting

1503
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 2: for Biden, and they would love that idea. Plus they

1504
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 2: hate they probably hate. They probably hate Kamala more than

1505
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 2: they hate Nikki Haleey. Although I could be wrong, so politically,

1506
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 2: I unfortunately believe that it might be a potent take.

1507
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 2: Romney's a different story, that's actually different. I'm really I

1508
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 2: think of my work.

1509
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 1: I'm not as convinced. You know, I've even seen polls

1510
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:30,599
Speaker 1: that were Nicki versus Biden where Trump actually does better

1511
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:33,720
Speaker 1: versus Biden. So I think her electoral strength number one

1512
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 1: is a bit overstated. In number two, the comment that

1513
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 1: Tara made there is an important one, which is you're

1514
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 1: already on the rocks with significant portions of your coalition.

1515
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 1: You pick some psycho Republican corporate neocon type as your

1516
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 1: number two, like they are going to They're gone, right,

1517
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:55,640
Speaker 1: They're at the very least not going to show up,

1518
01:17:55,640 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 1: maybe vote third party whatever. So I feel personally like

1519
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 1: the type of white, suburban, college educated voters that would

1520
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 1: be interested in the Biden Nicki ticket are probably already

1521
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 1: voting for Joe Biden. Like that realignment I think has

1522
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 1: already pretty much happened and consolidated, which is why you

1523
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 1: saw even the Republican primary, the people who were voting

1524
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 1: for Nicki Haley were a lot of Democrats who had

1525
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:27,720
Speaker 1: a pretty favorable view of Joe Biden are likely to

1526
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:30,720
Speaker 1: vote for him in the fault anyway. So I don't

1527
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 1: know that it's the electoral winner that Bill Maher thinks

1528
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:37,680
Speaker 1: it is. I'm personally a little more skeptical of that

1529
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 1: as long as we're playing like fantasy politics here. There

1530
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 1: are some other noteworthy comments from actor Robert de Niro

1531
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 1: on the show as well about how he feels about

1532
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 1: Donald Trump and what might happen in another Donald Trump term.

1533
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to.

1534
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 10: Those such a mean, nasty, hateful person, I'd never pay

1535
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 10: play him as an actor, because I can't see any

1536
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:08,480
Speaker 10: good in him, nothing, nothing at all, nothing redeemable in him,

1537
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 10: and we have to and whoever the people are who

1538
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 10: want to vote for him, and they look like intelligent

1539
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 10: peoples around there for some reason that it can't be.

1540
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:21,759
Speaker 10: It cannot be. If he is he wins the election,

1541
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:24,799
Speaker 10: you won't be on the show anymore.

1542
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 2: He'll come looking for.

1543
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 5: Me, He'll they'll they'll be, they'll.

1544
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 10: Be things that happened that none of us can imagine.

1545
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 10: That's what happens in that kind of a dictatorship, which

1546
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 10: is what he says. Let's believe him, take him at

1547
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 10: his word.

1548
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 9: I did from the beginning. Yeah, I mean, I said

1549
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 9: from the very beginning, this guy is never going to

1550
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 9: concede power. And he still hasn't. He still hasn't admitted

1551
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 9: he lost the last election, and he advertises that he

1552
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 9: will go on. He thinks, he says, he's been cheated

1553
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 9: out of one term, so maybe we should get rid

1554
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 9: of the only president only gets two terms.

1555
01:19:58,240 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 4: Thing.

1556
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:01,719
Speaker 2: There is so much narcissis and these people it's unlike,

1557
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 2: how are you Robert de Niro at the center of

1558
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:07,040
Speaker 2: Trump's mind? Like nobody cares about you? Dude, what are

1559
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 2: you talking about?

1560
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 1: Actually had kind of the same react, So a few things.

1561
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't really dispute his characterization of Trump.

1562
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 1: I did find it interesting, And I'd like to speak

1563
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 1: with another thespian about the analysis that he wouldn't play

1564
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:20,559
Speaker 1: him because he can't see any good in him, Like,

1565
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 1: is that necessary to make a character interesting, that you

1566
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 1: at least see some side of humanity in them?

1567
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 2: He played the sociopath Bernie made Off, so he can't

1568
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 2: play Trump, Like, what are you talking? Made Off? Look,

1569
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 2: you can hate Trump if you want. Made Off was

1570
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:39,679
Speaker 2: genuinely an evil person in terms of what he did

1571
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 2: and the people who he ripped off, including members of

1572
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 2: his own religious community who he bankrupted, and he never

1573
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:47,559
Speaker 2: expressed a single ounce of remorse and drove his own

1574
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 2: son to suicide. So if you can play that person,

1575
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:53,679
Speaker 2: and oh and his other son then died of cancer,

1576
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 2: arguably from the stress induced by having to turn his

1577
01:20:56,920 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 2: own father in as a crook, if you can play

1578
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 2: that person with some level of empathy. But you think

1579
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 2: that Trump is somehow more evil than that that, I

1580
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 2: think you're actually out of your mind.

1581
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1582
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:08,400
Speaker 2: Oh, and not to mention in killers of the Flower

1583
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 2: Moon a murderous psychopath who is poisoning his own daughter

1584
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:18,559
Speaker 2: or no whatever, uh whatever Leo. Yeah, it's Leo's wife,

1585
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 2: but I forget their relationship. I think it might be

1586
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 2: his uncle or something like that. Anyway, dude, Yeah, if

1587
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 2: you could play somebody who is poisoning Native women, killing

1588
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 2: them and then rolling up their inheritances so that you

1589
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 2: can then take over plot you know. Spoiler alert by

1590
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 2: the way, then I think that you can possably play

1591
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 2: Trump in a movie.

1592
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 1: Yeah. I thought that was interesting. I just wonder if

1593
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:42,040
Speaker 1: other actors have that same sense of, like, I need

1594
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 1: to be able to find some like positive aspect of this,

1595
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 1: you know, killer psychopath whatever in order to pay anyway,

1596
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 1: put that aside. That was what struck me too. Is again, like,

1597
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 1: I think Trump is a deeply dark and nefarious figure.

1598
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 1: I think what he did on Generary six was horrible.

1599
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:58,719
Speaker 1: I think he does want to take power and hold

1600
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:01,639
Speaker 1: onto it and likes all of those things. But there

1601
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 1: isn't evidence. I guess I wouldn't say it's evidence based

1602
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 1: that Trump, who could have, I guess gone after Bill

1603
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:10,360
Speaker 1: Maher and Robert de Niro in the first term, particularly

1604
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 1: has a sight set on them for the second. That

1605
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 1: is a part of it. That's like, you know, there's

1606
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 1: a lot of other problems that you focus on with

1607
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:22,480
Speaker 1: the Trump era, him going to lock up random actors

1608
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:24,680
Speaker 1: or commentator.

1609
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:26,479
Speaker 2: Donnie Deutsch said the same thing. Remember, probably he's gonna

1610
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 2: throw ust In Priss. It's like, no, he's not. Nobody

1611
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 2: is thinking about you except you, and that is where

1612
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 2: the narcissism. I mean, if you saw the crowd laughed

1613
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 2: at him, they were laughing well, and that's why.

1614
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 1: I couldn't quite tell if it was a joke or

1615
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 1: it is meant to be serious, But it seemed like

1616
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:44,559
Speaker 1: he managed to be serious even as the audience thought.

1617
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 2: It was serious. I think Bill is too, So anyway,

1618
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 2: that's our latest update from the Bill Maher edition also

1619
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:53,320
Speaker 2: had to give a little bit of a UFO update

1620
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 2: and put that in the show. Let's put this up

1621
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 2: there on the screen broke. Earlier this week, the Pentagon,

1622
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:02,080
Speaker 2: in what is now tradition at this point, has said

1623
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:06,719
Speaker 2: it has found no evidence of extraterrestrial spacecraft in its possession.

1624
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 2: A sixty three page unclassified report published says that the

1625
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:12,800
Speaker 2: most comprehensive report the Pentagon has ever produced. They have

1626
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 2: batted down claims of any reverse engineering programs. Inside of

1627
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 2: the Department of Department of Defense. It was part of

1628
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 2: the ARROW Office, the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, which

1629
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:27,720
Speaker 2: says that they reviewed records from nineteen forty five to

1630
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:30,599
Speaker 2: October of twenty twenty three and have definitively been able

1631
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 2: to find that there has been no evidence of any

1632
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:37,800
Speaker 2: US government investigation, academic sponsored research, official review panel that

1633
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 2: has confirmed any sighting of a ua REP that has

1634
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 2: represented extraterrestrial technology. According to Major General pat writer in

1635
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 2: this statement, now, there are a couple of things though

1636
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 2: that they may be neglected to point out, and some

1637
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:52,880
Speaker 2: other glaring things that I wanted to put in there.

1638
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 2: Let's put this up there please on the screen. Actually

1639
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 2: Garrett Graff, who who wrote an interesting book about UFO,

1640
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 2: some of which I have beef about, but it actually

1641
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 2: raises some good questions. First and foremost, he goes, there

1642
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:08,679
Speaker 2: are four actual questions that are not being answered here.

1643
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:13,719
Speaker 2: One is the alternative hypothesis of secret tech from foreign nations.

1644
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:18,560
Speaker 2: Two is their definition of quote what a peculiar characteristic

1645
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:22,800
Speaker 2: of an aircraft is? Three is anything about material and

1646
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 2: any material science breakthroughs by defense contractors and four is

1647
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:29,840
Speaker 2: quote scientists at the forefront of physics point out that

1648
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:31,839
Speaker 2: we should be humble about how little of the universe

1649
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 2: that we truly understand and of the knowledge limit that

1650
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:37,559
Speaker 2: was baked into the report. But I thought that the

1651
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 2: questions that he raises are very legitimate, Crystal, and I

1652
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 2: just think it comes back to the idea that an

1653
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:47,719
Speaker 2: agency which has been unable to pass its own audit

1654
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 2: for five years can effectively now audit all of its

1655
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 2: historical programs going back to nineteen forty five and be

1656
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 2: and claim any sort of legitimacy in the eyes of

1657
01:24:57,280 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 2: the public. In my opinion, totally ridiculous, actually, when you

1658
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:03,320
Speaker 2: incorporate many of the questions that Garrett, who is by

1659
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 2: the way, a skeptic of a lot of stuff that

1660
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 2: I would believe even that he points out in his

1661
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:07,759
Speaker 2: Wired report.

1662
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 1: So this does not close the door for you in

1663
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 1: terms of how.

1664
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 2: Cold you're like these people can't account for a trillion

1665
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 2: dollars in their own body.

1666
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 1: Us nothing to see here. People were all good. I

1667
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:21,760
Speaker 1: did think this our article was very interesting because it

1668
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 1: matched up some of the claims and you know, testimony

1669
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 1: people who saw things that they couldn't explain with what

1670
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 1: the report claims that it was, and pairs that up

1671
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 1: with past incidents of things that were thought to be

1672
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 1: UFOs and then were later identified as just advanced US

1673
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 1: aircraft that the public didn't know about yet. So he

1674
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:46,759
Speaker 1: writes a ar O untangled. One witnesses claim of spotting

1675
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 1: a UAP with quote peculiar characteristics at a specific time

1676
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:52,599
Speaker 1: and place and were able to determine at the time.

1677
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:55,640
Speaker 1: The interview said he observed the event. The DoD was

1678
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 1: conducting tests of a platform protected by an SAP, a

1679
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 1: special acts this program that means people don't know about it.

1680
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 1: The seemingly strange characteristics reported by the interviewee matched closely

1681
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 1: with the platform's characteristics, which was being tested at a

1682
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 1: military facility in the time frame the interviewee was there. So,

1683
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 1: Garrett Wrights, what was that craft and what were its

1684
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:18,599
Speaker 1: peculiar characteristics? A lot of the questions he raises here

1685
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 1: is like, Okay, so if you're talking a lot of

1686
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 1: this up to new technology development or even more radically,

1687
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:30,600
Speaker 1: like new potential understandings of physics and the basic mechanics

1688
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:34,600
Speaker 1: of how the universe works, like tell us more about that,

1689
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 1: what if? What is that all about? What are we developing?

1690
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:40,479
Speaker 1: Because this is one of the things you always point

1691
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:43,640
Speaker 1: out is typically there's some indication of breakthroughs that are

1692
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 1: about to be made, or like the science or the

1693
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:47,720
Speaker 1: math has already worked out and theoretically and it just

1694
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:50,799
Speaker 1: hasn't been able to be applied in a practical way.

1695
01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 1: So what he's getting from this report is a lot

1696
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 1: of maybe there are some quite you know, there may

1697
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 1: be some quite advanced technology the public eye no awareness

1698
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:03,640
Speaker 1: of that might have been reverse engineered from China or

1699
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 1: Russia or another global power and could explain some of

1700
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 1: these instances as it has in the past.

1701
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:12,000
Speaker 2: Maybe it's captured alien tech. I mean, you know, we

1702
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 2: would know. Like this is the thing I say it

1703
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 2: all the time, as you just reference the atomic bomb

1704
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 2: was an engineering problem. It was not a theoretical problem.

1705
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 2: There is no theoretical solution for many of the peculiar characteristics,

1706
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 2: as he points out, for a lot of what is

1707
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 2: pointing out, for a lot of what has been described

1708
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:30,880
Speaker 2: by these people, maybe they're mistaken. And look, I should

1709
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 2: also note ninety nine point nine percent are going to

1710
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:37,679
Speaker 2: have a human explanation that's the point of actual review.

1711
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:40,240
Speaker 2: The reason why I don't take anything these people say

1712
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:43,799
Speaker 2: seriously is that the former Director Sean Kirkpatrick has conducted

1713
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 2: himself in a crazy manner and has honestly lied to

1714
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:49,760
Speaker 2: the American public multiple times now, at least whenever he

1715
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 2: was under oath and before Congress. That's been disproven by

1716
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 2: his own staff too. Is that we still remain and

1717
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:59,639
Speaker 2: have huge questions from the UFO whistleblower, David Grush. One

1718
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:03,559
Speaker 2: of the points that he made in his testimony again

1719
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 2: under oath was that defense contractors specifically have been using

1720
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:12,200
Speaker 2: this audit loophole and the lack of oversight over DoD

1721
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 2: funding by siphoning off large amounts of product, large amounts

1722
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 2: of funding to then rededicate to material science research as

1723
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 2: it is then applied to UFOs. Is he lying, I

1724
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, no one's proven that he's yet

1725
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:29,360
Speaker 2: lied yet so far, there have been multiple efforts otherwise

1726
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:32,559
Speaker 2: to actually obfuscate his testimony and to keep him from

1727
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:35,559
Speaker 2: testifying a classified setting to a lot of these people.

1728
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:37,639
Speaker 2: Apparently the news is now chrisly Action might be going

1729
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:39,599
Speaker 2: to work for Congress, which would be great because maybe

1730
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:41,760
Speaker 2: it can help uncover some of this stuff. My only

1731
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:44,479
Speaker 2: point is that there is no reason to take anything

1732
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:47,800
Speaker 2: that these people say and just as definitive when again,

1733
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:51,719
Speaker 2: whenever it comes to the law mandated audit, they cannot

1734
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 2: account for more than a trillion dollars of their own

1735
01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:57,599
Speaker 2: assets five years or so in a row. It's like,

1736
01:28:57,680 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 2: how are we supposed to believe that you conducted some

1737
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:03,599
Speaker 2: comprehensive thing going back until nineteen forty five, like all

1738
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:06,040
Speaker 2: the bureaucratic trickery and all the other things that Garret

1739
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 2: Graft lays out to in his piece.

1740
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 1: So what happens next?

1741
01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:10,400
Speaker 2: Sagarbout what it was going to happen next. It's like

1742
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 2: we just keep waiting. We just wait and wait and wait.

1743
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:15,679
Speaker 2: It's like we keep getting these fake reports. They assume

1744
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 2: people will believe it. People keep telling me that, you know,

1745
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:20,720
Speaker 2: there's going to be some more whistleblowers and others for

1746
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 2: catastrophic disclosure, especially after what happened with the UFO Amendment.

1747
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:28,519
Speaker 2: It's possible. I don't know. I still wait. I'm a

1748
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 2: bit despondent now. Honestly, I thought Grush would change stuff.

1749
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:33,799
Speaker 2: I thought more people would come forward. I've been informed

1750
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 2: that more maybe will, but you know, we'll take it

1751
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:38,599
Speaker 2: in a case by case basis. I'll only evaluate it

1752
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:40,600
Speaker 2: as we can see in terms of what comes to me.

1753
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 2: But this does not allay any more of my big

1754
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:44,599
Speaker 2: questions that remain here.

1755
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:49,480
Speaker 1: Yes, well, we have some decidedly terrestrial and man made concerns.

1756
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:52,880
Speaker 1: Real chaos unfolding in Haiti. We wanted to understand more

1757
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:54,840
Speaker 1: about what's happening. We've got a great guest standing by

1758
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 1: to do help us do exactly that. Let's get to it.

1759
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:03,000
Speaker 1: Chaotics situation unfolding right now down in Haiti, where current

1760
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:07,000
Speaker 1: Prime Minister ariel Onrie has said he will resign once

1761
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:10,720
Speaker 1: a transitional council is in place. This comes in the

1762
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:15,599
Speaker 1: wake of a variety of paramilitary organizations or gangs forming

1763
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:19,400
Speaker 1: an alliance to try to overrun the state government. We

1764
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:21,840
Speaker 1: wanted to dig into whatever the heck is happening here,

1765
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:24,400
Speaker 1: and we're lucky to have an expert on Haiti joining

1766
01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:26,880
Speaker 1: us at the table. Jake Johnston is the author of

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Speaker 1: Aid State and he is also a senior research associate

1768
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:32,920
Speaker 1: at the Center for Economic and Policy Research. Welcome, Jake,

1769
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:33,519
Speaker 1: great to have you.

1770
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 2: Good to see you man.

1771
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.

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01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:37,479
Speaker 1: So, first of all, start with is what I just

1773
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 1: said there accurate? How would you describe what's happening and

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01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:41,639
Speaker 1: unfolding on the ground in Haiti?

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01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:43,720
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean I think in general that set's right.

1776
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:46,200
Speaker 11: I mean, we've had this announcement last night, and I

1777
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:48,480
Speaker 11: think one key piece of this also is that announcement

1778
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 11: followed a separate announcement coming out of Kingston from the

1779
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 11: care Com community, the leaders of the Caribbean Nations. Secretary

1780
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 11: of State Blincoln was there as well. Prim Missire of

1781
01:30:57,439 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 11: Canada also participate in a number of other forms, announcing

1782
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:06,080
Speaker 11: support for a new Transitional Council Presidential Council of seven

1783
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:08,280
Speaker 11: members to take over the government and name.

1784
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:08,920
Speaker 5: A new Prime minister.

1785
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:13,720
Speaker 11: And so that directly preceded Henri's pre recorded message last

1786
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 11: night sort of announcing his intention to eventually resign.

1787
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:18,080
Speaker 2: So why don't you take us back to some of

1788
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:21,599
Speaker 2: the roots of this people, I'm not even particularly familiar.

1789
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:24,599
Speaker 2: We covered previously some of the collapse, but it feels

1790
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:27,080
Speaker 2: like there's been full scale societal breakdown. So what are

1791
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 2: at the roots of this most recent iteration of that

1792
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:31,799
Speaker 2: and what do you get into in the book?

1793
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:32,439
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1794
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:33,840
Speaker 11: Sure, So I think, you know, there's a few things

1795
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:37,080
Speaker 11: to understand about this very approximate causes of what happened.

1796
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:38,880
Speaker 11: I mean, so one, there was an announcement about two

1797
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:40,920
Speaker 11: weeks ago from these same actors that are now announcing

1798
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:43,439
Speaker 11: a new government that Henri would hold an election in

1799
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:46,240
Speaker 11: August twenty twenty five, so well out into the future.

1800
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:48,759
Speaker 11: This is a leader who has come under a criticism

1801
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:51,400
Speaker 11: for his lack of legitimacy, right, consolidating all the power

1802
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:53,559
Speaker 11: under him over the last two plus years in office

1803
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:56,719
Speaker 11: in Haiti, and so that was obviously met with quite

1804
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:58,760
Speaker 11: a bit of concern in Haiti, right. And it was

1805
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:01,439
Speaker 11: the next morning that you really saw these coordinated attacks

1806
01:32:01,439 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 11: against government institutions begin across the capitol. Taking a step back,

1807
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:08,840
Speaker 11: right and going into some of these deeper causes, right,

1808
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:11,120
Speaker 11: because this has not happened. You know, this is not

1809
01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:12,479
Speaker 11: a week old. It's not two weeks old. It's not

1810
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 11: two years old, right, I mean, in many ways, this

1811
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:16,600
Speaker 11: is two hundred years old. Haiti was born of a

1812
01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:19,799
Speaker 11: successful slaver vaults, right, the first country to abolish slavery

1813
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:22,719
Speaker 11: and its constitution, and in many ways it has paid

1814
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:26,240
Speaker 11: for that ever since. Right, and at the root of

1815
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:29,679
Speaker 11: so much of the conflict won this history of foreign intervention,

1816
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:32,800
Speaker 11: and two a broken social contract where you have a

1817
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 11: state that has not represented or been held accountable by

1818
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:39,320
Speaker 11: the people itself, but really more so from external actors,

1819
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:41,320
Speaker 11: which again gets into that history of foreign intervention.

1820
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:45,840
Speaker 1: Can you talk about who these gangs are, what are

1821
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:48,680
Speaker 1: their roots, what do they want, what's the role that

1822
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:49,839
Speaker 1: they're playing in this cars?

1823
01:32:50,240 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's a lot too unpack here, right, and things

1824
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 11: are moving quickly, and I think there's also another issue,

1825
01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:57,600
Speaker 11: which is, you know, what people say, as we know,

1826
01:32:57,720 --> 01:32:59,559
Speaker 11: is not always what their real motivations are.

1827
01:32:59,640 --> 01:32:59,800
Speaker 4: Right.

1828
01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:02,799
Speaker 11: So the big change that we saw over the last

1829
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:05,920
Speaker 11: couple of weeks was that these disparate arm groups that

1830
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:10,599
Speaker 11: again have been involved in different sorts of criminal activities kidnapping, rape, extortion,

1831
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 11: things like this for many years, but of course all

1832
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:16,439
Speaker 11: have different motivations, different interests, different connections to communities and

1833
01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:19,519
Speaker 11: things like this, have joined forces together right in this

1834
01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:23,639
Speaker 11: effort to oust ONNRI. But what their ultimate end goal

1835
01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:26,320
Speaker 11: in all of this is, I think remains a bit.

1836
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:27,519
Speaker 5: To be seen.

1837
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:32,000
Speaker 11: They have been seemingly allied with an individual who is

1838
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:35,639
Speaker 11: seeking to claim political power and become president. An individual

1839
01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:38,800
Speaker 11: Gi Philippe. He is a former police officer who was

1840
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:41,360
Speaker 11: very involved in the two thousand and four coup of

1841
01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:46,800
Speaker 11: the democratically elected John Berchard Aristid. He was in twenty seventeen,

1842
01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:48,800
Speaker 11: he was arrested in Haiti and actually extradited to the

1843
01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:51,240
Speaker 11: US and spent the last six plus years in jail

1844
01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:54,760
Speaker 11: on money laundering related to drug trafficking charges. And he

1845
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:57,559
Speaker 11: was actually just deported back to Haiti by the US

1846
01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:00,080
Speaker 11: administration in November of twenty twenty three.

1847
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 5: And there does.

1848
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:03,599
Speaker 11: Appear to be at least some coordination between his political

1849
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 11: ambitions and the actions we're seeing from armed groups in

1850
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:06,479
Speaker 11: the streets.

1851
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:09,840
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, So relate back to you were talking about

1852
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:12,439
Speaker 2: foreign intervention. Your book is called Aid State. Just give

1853
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:15,000
Speaker 2: us some maybe even more context as you're talking there

1854
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:18,840
Speaker 2: about intervention, about some of the failures of AID. As

1855
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:21,679
Speaker 2: you said, as bipartison, it goes back a long way

1856
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:23,280
Speaker 2: for people who aren't as familiar.

1857
01:34:23,320 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 11: Maybe yes, of course, I mean I talked some about

1858
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:27,200
Speaker 11: the history, right, and so we can talk about the

1859
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 11: US occupation in French colonism, but we don't need to

1860
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:32,559
Speaker 11: go that far back to understand the foreign intervention.

1861
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:32,960
Speaker 5: Right.

1862
01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:36,200
Speaker 11: I mentioned the two thousand and four coup in twenty ten.

1863
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:38,800
Speaker 11: This was right after the earthquake, right, And this is

1864
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:41,200
Speaker 11: what I think a lot of US audience sort of

1865
01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:43,960
Speaker 11: remembers about Haiti was this big earthquake and billions of

1866
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:47,360
Speaker 11: dollars being pledged in a very high profile effort. Former

1867
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:50,080
Speaker 11: President Clinton was awfully involved. Secretary of State Clinton was

1868
01:34:50,120 --> 01:34:52,920
Speaker 11: involved at the time as well, so ten billion dollars.

1869
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:56,000
Speaker 11: But there's an electoral process right after that earthquake as well,

1870
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 11: and the international community of the US, the OS, and

1871
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:02,320
Speaker 11: other players direct intervened and overturned the results of that election,

1872
01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:07,200
Speaker 11: ushering into power. Michel Martelli and him and his political

1873
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:11,240
Speaker 11: allies have basically been governing the country with the backing

1874
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:13,679
Speaker 11: of the international community for the last fifteen years.

1875
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:13,920
Speaker 8: Right.

1876
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:16,720
Speaker 11: And so when we look at the situation today, that

1877
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:19,360
Speaker 11: dynamic is at the cause of so much of this. Right,

1878
01:35:19,479 --> 01:35:22,760
Speaker 11: is that these governments that have been elected in very

1879
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:26,400
Speaker 11: low turnout votes, with questionable legitimacy, with possible criminal ties

1880
01:35:26,439 --> 01:35:29,200
Speaker 11: and alleged things of this nature, and that have received

1881
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:33,719
Speaker 11: this international support so consistently for so long. It really

1882
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:37,639
Speaker 11: made a Haitian solution Haitian's coming together to build something different,

1883
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:40,920
Speaker 11: to build something that could actually be sustainable, next to impossible.

1884
01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:43,519
Speaker 11: And I think one of the really concerning things right

1885
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:47,160
Speaker 11: now is with Henri. He was blocked from returning to

1886
01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:49,479
Speaker 11: the country about a week ago. He tried to return,

1887
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:52,240
Speaker 11: he was not able to. He's been basically quiet and

1888
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:55,320
Speaker 11: holed up in Puerto Rico for the last week ipen

1889
01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:59,320
Speaker 11: until last night. But in that vacuum, in that absence

1890
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:05,000
Speaker 11: is international actors who have sort of facilitated this political negotiation.

1891
01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:08,280
Speaker 11: But the optics of what happened, it looked almost as

1892
01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:12,759
Speaker 11: if Haitian coalitions were submitting their applications to the international

1893
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:17,360
Speaker 11: community to be accepted. And this dynamic of foreign actors

1894
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:21,400
Speaker 11: providing legitimacy for Haitian governments is again at the cause

1895
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:23,799
Speaker 11: of the root cause of so many of the issues

1896
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:27,080
Speaker 11: we've seen, right, And so this announcement in and of

1897
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:31,160
Speaker 11: itself is certainly not a solution to the situation in Haiti, right.

1898
01:36:31,240 --> 01:36:34,240
Speaker 11: It is a potential first step, but far from a

1899
01:36:34,280 --> 01:36:35,439
Speaker 11: resolution of the crisis.

1900
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:37,840
Speaker 1: Part of what you lay out in your book, and

1901
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:40,560
Speaker 1: you actually start with this is this comparison between the

1902
01:36:40,600 --> 01:36:44,800
Speaker 1: quote unquote nation building we did in Afghanistan alongside this

1903
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:48,559
Speaker 1: quote unquote less heralded and less visible quote unquote nation

1904
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 1: building that we were doing in Haiti. Obviously, both were

1905
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:55,760
Speaker 1: complete and utter failures. One of the things that you

1906
01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 1: point out is the fact that you know aid, international aid,

1907
01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:02,200
Speaker 1: which sounds great and sound okay, you want to go in.

1908
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:04,920
Speaker 1: It's humanitarian and Bill Clinton's going to be there and

1909
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:07,960
Speaker 1: he's going to help you all. But over time, the

1910
01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:10,960
Speaker 1: way that AID has been deployed has been in the

1911
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:14,760
Speaker 1: service of our interests and not in the service of

1912
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:19,240
Speaker 1: Haitian interests, and has actually undercut the ability of the

1913
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:24,880
Speaker 1: Haitian government itself to fulfill that basic social contract. So

1914
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:27,879
Speaker 1: what can we say about this project of nation building

1915
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:30,439
Speaker 1: in Haiti as we watch what's unfolding now?

1916
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:33,120
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think the most similar thing is you can't

1917
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:37,400
Speaker 11: impose a democracy, you can't impose a state from external sources, right,

1918
01:37:37,439 --> 01:37:37,840
Speaker 11: I mean.

1919
01:37:37,720 --> 01:37:38,559
Speaker 5: It's just not going to work.

1920
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:40,160
Speaker 11: You might buy a little time, you might have these

1921
01:37:40,160 --> 01:37:42,720
Speaker 11: periods of stability, but in the long run, it is

1922
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:45,080
Speaker 11: going to blow back, right, it is going to blow up.

1923
01:37:45,160 --> 01:37:47,400
Speaker 11: And that is I think what we're seeing in Haiti.

1924
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:48,920
Speaker 11: I think it's what we've seen in other nations where

1925
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Speaker 11: this has been tried as well. We're looking at foreign

1926
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Speaker 11: assistance in general, right, and it's not all humanitarian, right.

1927
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Speaker 11: There are big money going through development projects and things

1928
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Speaker 11: like this. One thing to understand, right is these aren't

1929
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:02,120
Speaker 11: you're sort of mom and pop NGOs, church groups that

1930
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Speaker 11: we sort of think of when we think of humanitarianism.

1931
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Speaker 4: Right.

1932
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Speaker 11: The biggest players who receive US foreign assistants money are

1933
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Speaker 11: for profit corporations. Okay, we've designed a system that delivers

1934
01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:15,280
Speaker 11: aid aid right to developing countries and others.

1935
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Speaker 5: But as you said, at its core are US interest, right.

1936
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Speaker 11: And so for Congress who doesn't really like to appropriate

1937
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Speaker 11: money for foreign aid in general, if they are going

1938
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Speaker 11: to justify it, what's in it for my district, what's

1939
01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:27,720
Speaker 11: in it for my constituents?

1940
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Speaker 4: Right?

1941
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Speaker 5: And so we have created a legislation.

1942
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Speaker 11: We've created requirements that force these aight agencies to give

1943
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Speaker 11: money to US corporations to import US things. And Okay,

1944
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Speaker 11: you can understand it from a US perspective and US interest,

1945
01:38:39,439 --> 01:38:41,800
Speaker 11: but what is the actual effect of that on the ground, Right.

1946
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Speaker 11: It's undermining local markets, it's undermining local organizations, the very

1947
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:48,400
Speaker 11: organizations whose organization, right, who bring people together is what

1948
01:38:48,439 --> 01:38:51,240
Speaker 11: could actually lead to a sustainable local solution.

1949
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Speaker 8: Right.

1950
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Speaker 11: They're undermined by all of this money coming in and

1951
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:55,000
Speaker 11: going to outside actors.

1952
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Speaker 2: Right.

1953
01:38:55,479 --> 01:38:57,879
Speaker 11: And of course, as you mentioned, the government capacity itself.

1954
01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:00,720
Speaker 11: So the Haitian state, right through these aid policies, and

1955
01:39:00,720 --> 01:39:02,520
Speaker 11: this has taken place over decades.

1956
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Speaker 5: Has really been outsourced.

1957
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Speaker 4: Right.

1958
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Speaker 11: You've got about eighty percent of public services health, education

1959
01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:09,080
Speaker 11: and things like this handled by private sector actors and

1960
01:39:09,160 --> 01:39:12,360
Speaker 11: goos funded by development banks and things like this. This

1961
01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:15,599
Speaker 11: totally severs the relationship between the population and the state.

1962
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Speaker 1: Right.

1963
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Speaker 11: You can't hold those actors accountable for those services that

1964
01:39:18,680 --> 01:39:21,800
Speaker 11: you're getting, and that really distorts the notion of a

1965
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Speaker 11: sovereign democracy itself.

1966
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Speaker 1: So where do you think things go from here? And

1967
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Speaker 1: do you have a sense of what the Haitian people

1968
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Speaker 1: would actually like to see?

1969
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Speaker 11: Well, look, I think you know, I certainly don't mean

1970
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Speaker 11: or intend to speak on behalf of the Haitian people, right,

1971
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:38,400
Speaker 11: it's obviously up to them. I think there are a

1972
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Speaker 11: few principles that certainly I've heard, which is, you know, openness, transparency,

1973
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:47,200
Speaker 11: inclusion in a process, right that involves Haitians sitting around

1974
01:39:47,240 --> 01:39:49,559
Speaker 11: a table and coming together with a solution, right, And

1975
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:53,439
Speaker 11: I think these foreign imposed and foreign organized solutions directly

1976
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:54,080
Speaker 11: undermine that.

1977
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Speaker 5: And so you know, we'll see how this.

1978
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Speaker 11: Plays out, right, and how effective they're able to do

1979
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:02,120
Speaker 11: to meaningfully people's lives. But there is going to be

1980
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Speaker 11: a trust deficit from the very beginning with any government

1981
01:40:04,720 --> 01:40:07,200
Speaker 11: that comes out of an agreement or an imposition from

1982
01:40:07,560 --> 01:40:08,400
Speaker 11: outside actors.

1983
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Speaker 4: Right.

1984
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Speaker 1: Did the paramilitary organizations enjoy any kind of popular support

1985
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Speaker 1: or they're just seen as violent killers or criminals.

1986
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Speaker 11: I don't think it's an extremely simple answer, right. I mean,

1987
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Speaker 11: I think to various degrees, some of these actors do

1988
01:40:22,240 --> 01:40:24,320
Speaker 11: have ties at least in their communities, right. I mean,

1989
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Speaker 11: this has been a context that's been building over years,

1990
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:30,600
Speaker 11: with these groups fighting each other over territory, and you

1991
01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:33,599
Speaker 11: rely on them for protection, for any ability to move,

1992
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:36,040
Speaker 11: you are relying on these actors, and so there's a

1993
01:40:36,040 --> 01:40:38,519
Speaker 11: certain amount of that built up. I don't think, you know,

1994
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Speaker 11: my impression at least is that anyone in Haiti is

1995
01:40:41,360 --> 01:40:44,120
Speaker 11: looking for armed groups to actually take stay power. And

1996
01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 11: I think there's an open question of if they are

1997
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:48,120
Speaker 11: even after that. Right, Like I was mentioning earlier. These

1998
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:50,920
Speaker 11: political connections I think are so key to trying to

1999
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:54,479
Speaker 11: understand this dynamic. You know, we've seen import of prints.

2000
01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:56,920
Speaker 11: The last couple of days. Things have come down a

2001
01:40:56,960 --> 01:40:59,679
Speaker 11: little bit, just a little bit, right, They're really intense

2002
01:40:59,680 --> 01:41:03,200
Speaker 11: attacks on government institutions have calmed down. The port control

2003
01:41:03,240 --> 01:41:04,920
Speaker 11: has been re established over it and things like this.

2004
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:08,280
Speaker 11: People are moving about a little bit more. I think

2005
01:41:08,280 --> 01:41:10,679
Speaker 11: that's obviously related to these political negotiations that are happening

2006
01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:11,800
Speaker 11: right giving some face.

2007
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Speaker 5: Are are people going to get a seat there? Are

2008
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Speaker 5: they not?

2009
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Speaker 11: How are we going to react to this? And I

2010
01:41:15,479 --> 01:41:17,840
Speaker 11: think now today everyone's waking up. Okay, we've had this

2011
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:20,400
Speaker 11: announcement from Henri, this new presidential council backed by the

2012
01:41:20,439 --> 01:41:24,240
Speaker 11: foreign governments. What is going to be their reaction? You know,

2013
01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:27,160
Speaker 11: we'll see. My guess, right, is that this alone is

2014
01:41:27,200 --> 01:41:29,679
Speaker 11: not enough to convince them to drop their fights.

2015
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Speaker 2: Well, it's been very, very insightful, and we'll rely on

2016
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Speaker 2: you again if this comes up, So thank you.

2017
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and guys, please check out the book. I've been

2018
01:41:36,479 --> 01:41:40,280
Speaker 1: reading it Aid State. It is fascinating, not only to understand,

2019
01:41:40,360 --> 01:41:43,280
Speaker 1: you know, more deeply what is happening in Haiti right now,

2020
01:41:43,320 --> 01:41:48,559
Speaker 1: but is a real window into US influence around the world.

2021
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:51,360
Speaker 1: I guess is the nicey I could possibly say that, Jake,

2022
01:41:51,479 --> 01:41:52,439
Speaker 1: great to have you, thank you.

2023
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Speaker 5: Thank you, thanks.

2024
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a pleasure.

2025
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Speaker 2: We'll see you guys later or this way the

2026
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Speaker 4: K