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Speaker 1: This is earning their stripes. Our podcast show focused on

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Speaker 2: So obviously with what he Sawn did, you couldn't hand

434
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Speaker 2: it to anybody else. But it's just so it's just

435
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 2: so exciting and to have a guy that just enters

436
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 2: in just lights literally sets the world on fire. And

437
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 2: now he cut his prospect ranking in half. I think

438
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 2: you said, Eli or the account tweeted today he went

439
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 2: twenty to.

440
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: Fourteen based on my accounting. I'm obsessive about this kind

441
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: of stuff. I check in with Pipeline because they're always

442
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 1: their methodology, like updating their list is kind of sloppy.

443
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 1: The last time that they updated anything was like in

444
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: early January when the Marlins made that trade Austin Dean

445
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: for deal will Burgos and Burgos inside their top thirty

446
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 1: at that time. As of January, Verdict was only twenty eight.

447
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: And then he made that jump all the way up

448
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: to fourteen over the past couple of months, and I joked,

449
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 1: I joked that he must have really impressed them at

450
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 1: Captain's camp and back to jump like fourteen spots over

451
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: the winter, like in the middle of the winter, from.

452
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 3: January to March.

453
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 1: It's crazy I think the reality is that they just

454
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: hadn't really evaluated him at all fall, so this is

455
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: like their first time to really dig into his performance,

456
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 1: both the highlights and the stats, and yeah, get a

457
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 1: better feel and really upgrade his tools. I mean, that's

458
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: the most amazing thing is that when you see a

459
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: guy that enters Pro Bowl in one summer, and within

460
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: six or seven months of their pro debut, all of

461
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: a sudden, you realize that their tools are even better

462
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: than you imagine they would be. The way that they

463
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: actually apply in pro game scenarios is different than you

464
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: thought they would be. That's that's sign that you got

465
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 1: a great bargain. Like, at the very least, no matter

466
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: what happens to Burdick from here, the Marlins Amateur Draft

467
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: department needs to get like huge kudos.

468
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 2: Ricauz No definitely that.

469
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,959
Speaker 1: They saw something in him that basically nobody else did.

470
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 2: And the Marlins, you know, we talked about this on

471
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: the pod a lot last year. The Marlins draft strategy

472
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 2: was genius where they saw a hole in the system,

473
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 2: they saw the power the lack of power in the system,

474
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,199
Speaker 2: and they said, all right, let's go attack it. And

475
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 2: they got all these senior got you know, all these

476
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 2: seniors that were cheap that they didn't have to pay

477
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 2: a lot of money for that hit at the highest

478
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 2: level in college, and they came in and set the

479
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 2: world on fire. I mean, burdick slash line in last

480
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 2: year is just ridiculous. Three h eight, four oh seven

481
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 2: five forty two slugging, He did eleven home runs, he

482
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 2: walked thirty four times. I mean, it's just, you know,

483
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 2: it's just everything you could ask for for a guy

484
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 2: that's just jumping into the system in the mid season.

485
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 2: I mean, even Blade came into the system and had

486
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 2: his struggles out of the gates, So for him to

487
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 2: jump in like that after playing ball and you know,

488
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: playing a full college season and then coming in and

489
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 2: just playing like that. So I can't talk about this

490
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 2: guy enough. I mean, you know, he he's the guy

491
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: that I think everybody is going to have on their

492
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 2: radars this year. Everybody's gonna be watching for him to

493
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 2: be the star in the system this year. And I

494
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 2: don't think they're wrong at all for doing that.

495
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Speaker 1: And one thing you mentioned even a couple of minutes

496
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: ago was about the outfield depth and an embarrassment of

497
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: riches that we have, and that points me to particular

498
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: storyline from the off season. When we did our latest

499
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: Fish Stripes Top thirty voting in December, I didn't, I know,

500
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: I certainly didn't. Most of us didn't have the balls

501
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: to put Victor Masa Junior ahead of Victor Victor Masa.

502
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: Of course, both of them the Cuban outfield yers. They

503
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: signed together in October twenty eighteen. They combined to get

504
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: a six point twenty five million dollar bonus, but almost

505
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: all that went to Victor Victor Mesa. Victor Masa Junior

506
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: only got one million of that. And he was the

507
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: one that I mean, he was seventy, he just turned eighteen.

508
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: He was he was really young when when he signs,

509
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: and he didn't have any professional baseball experience in Cuba

510
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: because of his age, whereas Victor Victor did. There's about

511
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: a four and a half a year age difference between them.

512
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 1: People thought they knew what they were getting in Victor

513
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: Victor and the stats that he put up in Cuba

514
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: that high pro either a much higher profile than his

515
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: younger brother did. And then all of a sudden, we're

516
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: barely a year since they're signing and pipeline being one

517
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: of these sources that flipped on them. Well, it's more

518
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: so it's like it's a bit of both, it's.

519
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 3: A lot of both.

520
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: And that Victor Victor coming into last year consensus one

521
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: of the best prospects in the organization. People thought he'd

522
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: be quick to the big leagues, that thought he had

523
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: a pretty high floor. And maybe he still does have

524
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: that high floor because of his defense up the middle

525
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: and his base running. But as of this latest pipeline list,

526
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: it's Victor Mason Junior who's number twenty one in the system,

527
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: Victor Victor who's number twenty six. I know Fan Grafts

528
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: was very similar to that in having those guys like

529
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: not just Victor Junior being ahead of his older brother,

530
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: but a gap between them just because of what the

531
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: fact that it seems that Victor Junior has a chance

532
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: to actually stick in the center field, but at the

533
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: very least he offers a lot of promise with his

534
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: bat and for people that follow the team really closely,

535
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: if you see the way that Victor Junior, how the

536
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: relationships he builds with his teammates is persona on Instagram.

537
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: He's a guy that I don't know if you'd give

538
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: it an eighty grade first makeup, but definitely above average.

539
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 2: He's got eighty great swag. He's got at least seventy

540
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 2: great swag for sure.

541
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: Right, So he's a guy that outside of all the measurables,

542
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,959
Speaker 1: he carries himself like someone that really believes in himself

543
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: and is happy to be here. More importantly that he's

544
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: RN's mindset. So that's just a long intro, and I'll

545
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: go to you first of this spencer, whether you personally

546
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: are more confident in which of the Masa brothers moving

547
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: forward in that balance of ceiling versus floor, and who

548
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: would you personally rank as the higher prospects at this

549
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: moment heading into the twenty twenty season.

550
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 3: Sure, I mean, I think they have a similar kind

551
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 3: of future value projection, two different kind of versions of it,

552
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 3: but I think they both projected as bench outfielders for

553
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 3: right now. Victor Victor has I think, you know, those

554
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 3: bankable skills with his defense and his base running ability,

555
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 3: But like you look at how last year went for him,

556
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 3: I am willing to give him a little bit more

557
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 3: leash on getting things going at the plate, just because

558
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 3: I know that you know, for some players that first

559
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 3: year coming over from a new country can be, you know,

560
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 3: an added adjustment factor that can kind of cause a

561
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 3: longer lead time for these guys to to really play

562
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 3: up to their talent level. But I'm not feeling too

563
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 3: keen on Victor. Victor's bad at the moment. I just

564
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 3: think it's it's hard for me to project, you know,

565
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 3: what I saw from him last year as anything better

566
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 3: than a below average hit or at the big league level.

567
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 3: He's not going to offer you much in the way

568
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 3: of power, so I think the end result is that

569
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 3: he is a speed in defense kind of bench piece

570
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 3: who can help you out as a late ening replacement,

571
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 3: can help you out as a pinch runner, and so on.

572
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 3: I would be surprised if he broke out with the

573
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 3: bat to the degree that he's, you know, looking like

574
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 3: a table setting kind of outfielder, which is what the

575
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 3: Marlins were hoping for when they signed him. Victor Junior,

576
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 3: I think is very impressive at the plate, very mature

577
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 3: hitter for his age, shows a good approach and ability

578
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 3: to make contact all fields. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the

579
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 3: same degree of tools that his older brother does. I

580
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 3: think there's a good chance that his game power will

581
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 3: kind of play up compared to his raw power as

582
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 3: much as that is possible because of his quality of contact,

583
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 3: which I think will you know, continue to improve and

584
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 3: be very high as he matures. But I mean the

585
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 3: tools are pretty average across the board. I think he

586
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 3: has the profile of a very capable plus defensive value

587
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 3: left fielder, so playing like towards the bottom of the

588
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 3: defensive spectrum but being above average in that role and

589
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 3: you know, getting on base and but with limited additional

590
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 3: value in terms of power or being a difference maker

591
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 3: as a base runner. So I think that he fits

592
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 3: that kind of traditional fourth outfielder mold. A guy who

593
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 3: can probably fill in and center right in a pinch,

594
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 3: is going to be a real liable hitter who is

595
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 3: always going to take good at bat. But it's hard

596
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 3: for me to see the tools really translating into him

597
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 3: being an everyday player for right now unless the power

598
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 3: really takes off unexpectedly or something.

599
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, with so much depth in the system,

600
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard to put these guys you know,

601
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 2: as you know, into future outfield scenarios. But yeah, I

602
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: mean I definitely I was caught off guard when I

603
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 2: saw that, first of all, that Mason Junior was at

604
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 2: twenty one, and second of all that he was above

605
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 2: his older brother. But it makes a lot of sense.

606
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: Victor really really struggled at plate last year. He didn't show,

607
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 2: like you said, Spencer, he didn't show a ton of

608
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 2: promise at all. It's hard to see any promise out

609
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 2: of him. I mean, one thing that I really hadn't

610
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: thought about until you kind of touched on it a

611
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 2: little bit, Eli was he hit so much pressure on him.

612
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 2: People thought he was just gonna magically just come in

613
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: and be a three hundred hitter right away and hit

614
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: bombs and you know, be in the big leagues by September,

615
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 2: And that is really hard to do. People don't just

616
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 2: do that. You don't just waltz right into the major leagues,

617
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: especially when you're coming over from another country. So yeah,

618
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: I think there's obviously there was obviously gonna be an

619
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 2: adjust period that we really didn't consider, and I think

620
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: that was kind of unfair to VVM. But he, you know,

621
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 2: if he can really kind of like start putting something

622
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 2: together at the plate this year, Like you said, his

623
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 2: defense is so spectacular and has been so highly regarded

624
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: that he can still be an MLB player if he

625
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: can even become an average hitter, and that's for sure.

626
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: And you know, it might be a table setting or

627
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 2: it might be as a fourth outfielder, but he's not

628
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 2: gonna bring the power that's gonna really really excite you

629
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 2: based off what we saw last year. Who knows if

630
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: he improved the swing in the summer, if he got stronger, whatever,

631
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 2: but you know, it doesn't seem like it's going to

632
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 2: be that much of an impact because of what we

633
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 2: saw last year. But you know, it's kind of like

634
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 2: how I feel about Brinceton this year. The pressure's off.

635
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 2: He's fallen down the boards. I mean he's at twenty

636
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 2: six now. He was in the top five at the

637
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 2: beginning of the season last year. The pressure's off. It's

638
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 2: just go out there and play baseball and make a

639
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 2: name for yourself. And I think that Brinston is in

640
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 2: the kind of same situation. I won't get too deep

641
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 2: into that, but I think for him it's just, yeah,

642
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: just go out there and play baseball and put together

643
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 2: some numbers and show people that you can still play

644
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 2: the game and that you know you are a good

645
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 2: baseball player, and I think he will. I think he'll

646
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 2: hit a little better than he did last year because

647
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: of some of the pressure that's off of him. But

648
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: you know, I hope for his own sake because they

649
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 2: seem like great guys. But on the subject of Junior,

650
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Speaker 2: I mean, he's eighteen years old. He played all of

651
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Speaker 2: last season pretty much. When did he turn eighteen?

652
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 3: Let me see, he.

653
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 2: Turned eighteen in the offseason, right after the season ended.

654
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: So he played his entire rookie season in the in

655
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 2: the minor leagues as a seventeen year old, and he

656
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,959
Speaker 2: put up great numbers. I mean he hit two eighty four,

657
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 2: three sixty six, three ninety eight, he hit a home run,

658
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 2: He had nine doubles in forty seven games in the GCL.

659
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, he's seventeen years old and he's

660
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 2: putting up really exciting numbers, and he in he's state

661
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: side at seventeen years old, So it's hard to project

662
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 2: a guy that far out. I mean, he's not going

663
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 2: to be at the higher levels of the system for

664
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Speaker 2: another couple of years, and he's not going to be

665
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: making a major league impact any time in the near future,

666
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 2: So it's kind of hard to say, you know exactly

667
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: what he projects as. But I mean, if he just

668
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: keeps on getting better based off what we saw this year,

669
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Speaker 2: he has I think he has some really really high potential.

670
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, I understand him being as high he is

671
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 2: as he is. And like you said, Eli, we didn't

672
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 2: have the balls to do it, but I think if

673
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 2: we did, a lot of people would have put in

674
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: Victor Mason Junior higher than Victor Victor based off what

675
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: they saw last year. So yeah, it makes sense to me.

676
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 2: And it's just exciting to see Victor Masa, to see

677
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: Victor Junior. Oh my god, it's so confusing calling them,

678
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: but the Victor Junior moving up to number twenty one,

679
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 2: because like you said, he's such a personality that you

680
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 2: kind of like fall in love with him. He's got

681
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 2: this like great smile and this great personality, and he's

682
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 2: got all these like bromances with like Nassim and Osiris

683
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 2: that make you feel a part of it. And he's

684
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 2: so you know, he's close closer in age to me

685
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 2: than a lot of these guys. So I relate to him,

686
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: I almost through Instagram and stuff. But so yeah, he's

687
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: a really likable guy, and you just kind of hope

688
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 2: for the best for him.

689
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: It's I mean, this is an issue for another day

690
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 1: because it's very deep issue. But of course the language

691
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: barrier and how that impacts people and how we relate

692
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: to these players, and it's how players relate to each other.

693
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: Like that's been a big emphasis under Jeter and this

694
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: entire ownership group where they set up an education program

695
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: from scratch that like didn't exist in the OR organization

696
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: until twenty eighteen, about teaching the Americans in the organization

697
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: how to learn Spanish and all the Hispanic kids to

698
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: learn English and actually like have formal classes to actually

699
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: to really reinforce that and have them interact with each

700
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: other and build camaraderie. And for whatever reason, like Victor

701
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,439
Speaker 1: Junior is very comfortable with his second language, and there's

702
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 1: all these like cute moments of him with either Nasi

703
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: Nunez or Peydon verdict Or. They spend a lot of

704
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: time together last year and he films them like trying

705
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: to speak Spanish and teasing them for it.

706
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: We are taking a break for the flum Fest, so

707
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: I'm here with my guy Peta, but he wanted to

708
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 2: say some something in Spanish.

709
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 6: Sola possible, what else?

710
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: So the mores Victor Victor, for whatever reason, is more

711
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: guarded with that and doesn't at the same comfort level.

712
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: And because we don't see him use it the same way,

713
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: and we don't see like him and his teammates have

714
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: that exact same chemistry, that lack of having that element

715
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: to him is something that I think factors into how

716
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: we perceive it and how much we trust these guys

717
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 1: where they fit in. The one thing that just drove

718
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: me crazy with Victor Victor is that, well, well, first,

719
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,919
Speaker 1: what I liked about him is obviously the batted ball

720
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: skills and how I mean his strikeout rate with Jupiter

721
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: was twelve percent, which is amazing day and age. That's

722
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 1: like half the league average in terms of actually putting

723
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: balls in play. The extraordinary defense in centerfield, and he

724
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: was actually laying on a team for Jupiter much of

725
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: the year that they actually had some defensive issues in

726
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: the corner outfield spots, so he was covering even more

727
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: ground than expected. And the running and how efficient he

728
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: was on the basis not just stealing bases but avoiding

729
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: making extra outs in those situations. But I mean, what

730
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: ultimately got me concerned is just the pure volume, because

731
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: I mean, the narrative early on is that he was

732
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: rusty because he hadn't played any swype of organized baseball

733
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: at all during twenty eighteen, and I think even for

734
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: a lot of twenty seventeen that because of all the

735
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: time off, that he would need a lot of reps

736
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: in order to get his together and feel comfortable. But he,

737
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Speaker 1: I mean, he was he was lucky. He had a

738
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: couple of minor injuries, but for the most part, he

739
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: played a lot. You add it all up between the

740
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: regular season in Jupiter, after he was promoted to Jacksonville

741
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: the Arizona Fall League on top of that in September

742
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: and October, and he had like five hundred and fifty

743
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: played appearances.

744
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 3: That's like close to.

745
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: A full major league season to go all that time

746
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: with zero home runs in this time, at this day

747
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: and age, where we know how important that is to

748
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: run scoring and how proportional that is, and frankly, how

749
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: that's changing a little bit of like the industry and

750
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: how we value these players knowing that once you get

751
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 1: to the big leagues, you need to hit home runs

752
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: in order to be part of a productive team.

753
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: Offense. So for him, it's not even just hitting home runs.

754
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: Eli Like, you know, first of all, shout out pac

755
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: Man on Twitter. I know you guys know who pac

756
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 2: Man is. Shout out to him. But pac Man like

757
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: always jokes about how he literally doesn't reach the warning track.

758
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 2: If you look at his spray chart, he didn't even

759
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 2: reach the warning track this year. So it's not even

760
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: just getting the ball over the fence. It's getting the balls.

761
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: It's getting balls in the gaps. It's hitting doubles, it's

762
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,439
Speaker 2: hitting triples and he hit seven, He hit ten extra

763
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 2: race hits this year. He had seven doubles and three

764
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 2: triples in four hundred and sixty four at bats. This

765
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: is not including the Arizona Fall League. So yeah, it's

766
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 2: not just putting the ball over the fence. It's putting

767
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: the ball in the gaps, it's putting the ball down

768
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 2: the line. It's allowing him to use his speed to

769
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 2: get around the base paths to make up for the

770
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 2: fact that he lacked power. And yeah, he did kind

771
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 2: of start hitting a little better in Jupiter. He got

772
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 2: the average up to like two point fifty, which you know,

773
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 2: at least that's something, and he started getting hot towards

774
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 2: the end of his time in Jupiter. But yeah, I mean,

775
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 2: his power stats are terrible. You know, his his his

776
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 2: slugging percentage is lower than his on base percentage and

777
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: when do you ever You don't ever see that in

778
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: today's game. So, yeah, he's got to start putting the

779
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 2: ball in the air more, for sure.

780
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 3: That's a parallel you can draw between him and Hayes,

781
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 3: who's Sanchez as well. Sanchez obviously at least while he's

782
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 3: hit the ball on the ground a lot more than

783
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 3: we would like, he has at least hit those balls

784
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 3: on the ground very hard, So he has that part

785
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 3: of the equation solved. So but we'll we'll see if

786
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 3: if you know, the Marlins are able to work out

787
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 3: that issue with both of those guys, because there's definitely

788
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 3: a lot of value there to be unlocked. If if

789
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 3: they're able to work through that on the player development side.

790
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, as we're speaking, the Victor Victor right now,

791
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: he's on top of the world. He has won for

792
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: his last one. He had an RBI hit in the

793
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 1: game today against the pitcher that I don't recognize, So

794
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 1: at least he's he's playing in major League spring training games,

795
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: and it was last year that he had that hamstring

796
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: issue in like the second game that he played in

797
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: spring training, and that's that I think that may have

798
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: played a part in setting him back, and when he

799
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: was trying to rack up those at bats in like

800
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: a low pressure situation and he wasn't able to do it.

801
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 1: Whereas this time so far, he's been healthy, and even

802
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 1: if he's not in the mix for an opening day

803
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 1: roster spot, you'd think that he still plays a lot

804
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: over these next two or three weeks in these exhibition games,

805
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 1: and so just being in these situations where there's really

806
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: nothing at stake, firm and whereas Ethan said, the pressure

807
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: is totally off of him, that could be nothing but

808
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: a positive.

809
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 3: Considering where he's coming from.

810
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: The one other guy, the last main guy that we're

811
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: going to focus on on this episode, is that one

812
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: top prospect in major league camp who hasn't actually appeared

813
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: in a grape Fruit League game so far. Everybody else

814
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: has appeared not just once, but multiple times, some of

815
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: them extremely impressive, most of them extremely impressive. And that

816
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: is why we're so optimistic, and that's why the team

817
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: is winning games. I guess because these young players are

818
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: immediately producing in these exhibition environments and showing that they're

819
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: of a comparable talent level to some of these other organizations.

820
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: The one guy we haven't been seeing is six doh

821
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 1: six oh, who at one point, probably a year ago,

822
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: was the consensus top prospect in the organization. Right now,

823
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: there is not that consensus. It's I think most people

824
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: would agree. I personally think he's the top prospect in

825
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: the organization. Pipeline says so, but it's not a consensus anymore.

826
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: There are some doubts about his physique and about his

827
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: even though he's coming off this great season of production

828
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: at a little bit at Jupiter but mostly at Double

829
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: A Jacksonville, and even though he's still so young, he's

830
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: going to be entering his age twenty one season and

831
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: likely going to be debuting in the majors during this

832
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: season as well, that he's still somewhat of a mystery,

833
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: even though I saw him pitch a lot at Jacksonville

834
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: last year. The fact that he's seemingly healthy right now

835
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: but still not being used in spring training games, and

836
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: I guess a little bit of a red flag that

837
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: he hasn't appeared in any games at this point, and

838
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:23,240
Speaker 1: for a guy that is a little undersized by traditional

839
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: starting pitching standards, how exactly do you weigh all the

840
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: great assets that he has but also some of the

841
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: things that make him atypical of what you would want

842
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: from the top of the rotating day.

843
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I definitely feel comfortable with six to

844
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 3: though in his long term out look, it's you would

845
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 3: definitely like to see him out there with the same

846
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 3: stuff that he was showing in double A last year.

847
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 3: But until as long as he's healthy and he's ready

848
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 3: to go for the you know, the start of the

849
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 3: minor league season, and he can at least get a

850
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 3: little bit of work in during the spring, that's enough

851
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 3: for me. I think the bigger real question for me

852
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 3: with with six though, right now, is will he start

853
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 3: missing more bats at some point. It's not that he

854
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 3: doesn't strike hitters out at this point, you know, he

855
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 3: does strikeout is a decent share of hitters. But and

856
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 3: he also didn't face very many hitters last year because

857
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 3: he didn't allow all that many base runners, which gave him,

858
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 3: you know, fewer opportunities for strikeouts as well. But I

859
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 3: think when you watch him pitch you see, you know,

860
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 3: three legit major league pitches at times, all three of

861
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 3: them look plus. I think the off speed stuff it

862
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 3: tends to be a little bit more in the above

863
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 3: average range than true plus most of the time. But

864
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 3: I think you see him pitch within the zone a

865
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 3: lot and just go right at hitters, which has been

866
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 3: very effective for him. He has been able to generate

867
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 3: a lot of weak contact and work efficiently with his

868
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 3: pitch count, which you know, that's great to see. But

869
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 3: when you look at the stuff that he does have,

870
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 3: I mean, you just have to feel like he could

871
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 3: be striking more hitters out. And if he's going to

872
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 3: be a true frontline starter, I would say that, I mean,

873
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 3: he does need to start striking out at least a

874
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 3: few more hitters. It's it's uncommon to see like a

875
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 3: true a pitcher who consistently performs like a frontline starter

876
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 3: with a strikeout rate in the range that his has

877
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 3: been for now. I do think the potential is there

878
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 3: for him to do that if he starts to work

879
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 3: in more and more chase pitches and just kind of

880
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 3: alter his approach to pitching a little bit. But I think,

881
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 3: you know, even for a guy who really doesn't have

882
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 3: very very many professional innings to his name, and only

883
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 3: a few above the A ball level to this point.

884
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 3: I was highly impressed with not only the equality of

885
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 3: his stuff, but his ability to really command his fastball

886
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 3: at a high level last season, and I think he's

887
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 3: more or less ready to pitch in the major leagues

888
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 3: this season. I think if the Marlins really wanted him to,

889
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 3: I think it's pretty clear that that's not really what

890
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 3: they're necessarily planning for. If he's really lighting things up,

891
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 3: I'm sure he will make some starts in the second half,

892
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 3: but I think we're just seeing them really take their

893
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 3: time with him, getting him up to speed. They probably

894
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 3: don't plan for him to throw a huge innings count

895
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 3: this year, as a lot of teams tend to do

896
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 3: with their young starters to kind of bubble wrap them

897
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 3: until they really feel comfortable that they're ready to contribute

898
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 3: it to the big league level. But you know, I don't.

899
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 3: I don't think six there's a guy who needs to

900
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 3: go out and necessarily throw one hundred and thirty innings

901
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 3: for the purposes of his in game development, so to speak.

902
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that he definitely needs to prove

903
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 3: to everybody that he's capable of consistently handling those workloads.

904
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 3: But in terms of what you see from him on

905
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:27,479
Speaker 3: the mound to this point, I you know, I think

906
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 3: he's tracking like a number two starter.

907
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, he's He's only twenty one

908
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 2: years old, so yeah, the Marlins can kind of take

909
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 2: his take their time with him and make sure that,

910
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 2: you know, no injuries kind of derail him. But you know,

911
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 2: you talk about the makeup and how people are kind

912
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 2: of concerned about, you know, how big he is and stuff.

913
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: Sometimes things just don't make sense. Sometimes guys that are

914
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 2: really successful just don't make sense. Drew Brees is like

915
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 2: five to nine, you know what I mean. And p

916
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 2: We'll always talk about how little Drew Brees is and

917
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 2: it held him back from being one of the top

918
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 2: QB prospects when he was coming out. But Drew Brees

919
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 2: is one of the best quarterbacks we've ever seen. Russell

920
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 2: Wilson also short and and that you know, as a quarterback,

921
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 2: you're not supposed to be short, but sometimes it just works.

922
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 2: And I just think as long as as six dough

923
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 2: is Pepper and the strike zone the way he did,

924
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,399
Speaker 2: as long as he's mowing guys down the way he did,

925
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 2: And you're right, Spencer, the number of strikeouts is definitely

926
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 2: a bit of a concern. You know, you weren't seeing

927
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 2: six dough maybe a little bit towards the end of

928
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 2: the year. You weren't seeing six to do put up

929
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 2: these double digit strikeout games that you're seeing a guy

930
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 2: like Eddie Cabrera put up that Trevor Rodgers was putting

931
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: up a few times last year. And yes, from a

932
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 2: top line starter, you would like to see that, But

933
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 2: I don't care if he looks like an offensive lineman.

934
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 2: If he's throwing one hundred and two and putting in

935
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 2: painting the corners the way he does, then it just works.

936
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 2: Sometimes it just does, and I'll be okay with it.

937
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 2: You know, he made it through the season healthy last year. Obviously,

938
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 2: they limited his innings, especially towards the end of the year.

939
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 2: He was only throwing like five or six innings and

940
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 2: he was you know, he would have like seventy pitches

941
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 2: by the end of those innings. But I think this

942
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 2: is something we talked about a loti Eli with you know,

943
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 2: me and you talked about a lot, and I think

944
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 2: we talked about it too on the pod a little bit.

945
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 2: Is the concept of him literally throwing too many strikes.

946
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 2: You mentioned Spencer him changing his approach to pitching and

947
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: just mixing in a slider in the dirt every once

948
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 2: in a while. He was literally just throwing too many

949
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 2: strikes last year to the point where you know, guys

950
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 2: were making contact and hard contact because the ball was

951
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 2: in the zone. And when you're playing in double A,

952
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:42,879
Speaker 2: guys are going to hit the ball at the balls

953
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 2: in the zone because they are good players in Double A.

954
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 2: So I would watch a lot of these games and

955
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 2: kind of keep up with the like the pitch tracker

956
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 2: thingy majig, and who knows how accurate that really is,

957
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: but I guess it kind of gives a good representation.

958
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 2: And it just seems like every pitch that he threw

959
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 2: with in the strike zone just constantly. And the fact

960
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 2: that he was even able to rack up let me

961
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 2: get the number here, a twenty four percent k k

962
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 2: rate and an eight point four eight k per nine.

963
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 2: The fact that he's able to rack that up with

964
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 2: how much he's in and around the strike zone is

965
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 2: pretty impressive to me, I think. But yeah, you would

966
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 2: like to see that those K numbers up, you know,

967
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 2: K your K per nine up above ten or even

968
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: higher than nine, and that K rate up a little

969
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 2: bit higher than it is right now. So I definitely think,

970
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 2: like that's something you want to see from him. But

971
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 2: I mean with six zero, it's just like, you know,

972
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 2: he's following in these rankings to like some of these

973
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 2: sites are having him in like the forties, and I

974
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 2: just think that's crazy. I mean, this guy had such

975
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 2: a good year last year. You know, there were a

976
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 2: little bit of there was a little bit of struggling

977
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 2: at the beginning of the year. You know, his numbers

978
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 2: in Jupiter weren't great, and his numbers at the when

979
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 2: he started in Jacksonville weren't fantastic. But the dude ended

980
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 2: up with a two point six' NINE fip after all

981
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 2: was said and, done a one point zero three Whip

982
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 2: like those are just fantastic numbers in DOUBLE a at

983
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 2: your age twenty, season your age twenty twenty one. Season so,

984
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 2: yeah it was really his age twenty. Season he turned

985
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 2: twenty one In, July so, YEAH i mean, this you,

986
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 2: know to, me it doesn't this guy's a top twenty five.

987
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 2: Prospect it should be. CONSENSUS i don't understand how he

988
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 2: fell after he had such a great year last year

989
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 2: and stayed, healthy he pitched the entire season once he

990
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 2: was back from that little from that elbow injury that

991
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 2: he had when he came over from The phillies. Organization

992
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 2: So i'm it definitely pisses me off a little bit

993
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 2: to see him falling down these. RANKINGS i think he's

994
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 2: getting a little bit disrespected considering how good he was last.

995
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 2: Year AND i just think once The marlins kind of

996
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 2: let him, go first of, ALL i think he's in

997
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 2: the majors By june this year if he pitches the

998
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,760
Speaker 2: way he did last Year june at the, latest really

999
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 2: AND i think that he can jump in and be

1000
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 2: The marlins ace right. Away you, KNOW i don't know

1001
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 2: if he will BECAUSE i still, think you, know you

1002
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 2: Got sandy And pablo and who else is up, There

1003
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 2: caleb and SO I i you, KNOW i can't you

1004
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,439
Speaker 2: can't say he's the he's gonna be number. One he's

1005
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 2: gonna go up against The shusers and the you, know

1006
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 2: The kershaws and. Everything BUT i think once he really settles,

1007
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 2: in LIKE i think he's your opening day starter in

1008
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one if he comes up to the big

1009
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 2: leagues and can pitch the way we all think he can.

1010
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 2: Pitch So i'm very high on Six. DOUGH i loved

1011
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 2: WHAT i saw last year from, him and there are

1012
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 2: Definitely Spencer you're, right you, know it's not all butterflies in,

1013
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 2: rainbows because there are a little bit of strikeout concerns with.

1014
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 2: Him BUT i just think sometimes it just things just

1015
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 2: don't that work, out just don't make. Sense AND i

1016
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 2: think that you might be in one of these situations

1017
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 2: where a guy that's pretty, hefty don't hit me. Wrong he's,

1018
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 2: Large but look AT Cc sabathia is to me A

1019
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 2: hall Of, famer and he was fat as shit his entire,

1020
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 2: career you know WHAT i. Mean so he was also.

1021
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 1: Like eight inches taller than, yeah, yeah and.

1022
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 2: You know he was a beast AND cc is a

1023
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,720
Speaker 2: freak athlete and and but you, know LIKE i, said

1024
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 2: sometimes the guy's make up just kind of. Works AND

1025
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 2: i think Six oho is one of those. Guys And

1026
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 2: ian has compared him To Johnny. Quato and if you're

1027
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 2: Getting Johnny, cuato LIKE i, SAID i don't, GET i

1028
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 2: DON'T i don't care if he's two, hundred you, know

1029
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 2: or if he's three hundred. Pounds if you're getting the

1030
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 2: kind of production That Johnny cquato can put up out

1031
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 2: of a twenty one year old, guy and you think

1032
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 2: he can have that kind of, career then you'll live with.

1033
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 2: It and AND i just think The marlins are in

1034
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 2: the position where they can kind of take their time with,

1035
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 2: him and you, know maybe they want him to cut

1036
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 2: some weight just to be, sure but he's gonna be

1037
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 2: a really good, pitcher and whether it's a one or

1038
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 2: it's a, two you're gonna have a lockdown picture in your.

1039
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 2: System AND i think the Mo orleans should be elated

1040
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 2: that they have.

1041
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: Him, Yeah And, ETHAN i think this was right before

1042
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: we went on.

1043
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,760
Speaker 3: Air that probably more.

1044
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: So than other, outlets your kind of suspect of the

1045
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: evaluations that we get from, fangrafts and they were one

1046
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: in particular that we're kind of low on six to.

1047
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: Zero and their particular concern was with his, fastball and

1048
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: that the particulars of his fastball and the movement that

1049
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 1: it gets doesn't really lend itself to swing and swings and.

1050
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 1: Misses that's more so of a pitch that's going to

1051
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: just get a lot of soft, contact and that the

1052
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: life on it at the very end could be a

1053
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: reason why that he's not missing as many bats as

1054
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 1: you'd expect him to for a guy that he's constantly

1055
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: getting ahead in the count and. WHATNOT i, mean that's

1056
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: WHY i just want to see him in.

1057
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 2: These major league games, too, too just.

1058
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: Get a really close. Look and there's just such great

1059
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: camera work that we could get on these major league

1060
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: broadcasts that aren't quite the same With jacksonville in order

1061
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: to like really look at these pitch is and how

1062
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,919
Speaker 1: that fastball is moving at the at the very, ends

1063
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: and how hitters are responding to.

1064
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 2: It and, No i'm definitely with. You you, know obviously we

1065
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 2: want to see sixt pitch because he's six dough and

1066
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 2: we're excited about. Him it's the same reason that we're

1067
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 2: so excited to Watch jazz And monte fly around the

1068
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 2: bases and and you, know we're excited When devers goes

1069
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 2: out there and feel some ground ground balls at. Shortstop

1070
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 2: we want to see six st pitch because he's six.

1071
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 2: Dough but, yeah there are some things that we need

1072
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 2: to really look at and evaluate with him and and

1073
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 2: there are only so many evaluations that could be made

1074
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 2: at The DOUBLE a level and from you, know box

1075
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:40,439
Speaker 2: scores and highlight videos and tapes and. Stuff so, YEAH

1076
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 2: i would like to get some video on six to

1077
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 2: doh and just see him in these spring training. Games

1078
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 2: AND i hope he. Can and he's another guy like

1079
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 2: that we talked about With mesa that's just got personality

1080
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 2: that you just. Love so he he's the number one,

1081
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 2: prospect he should be the consensus number one prospect in this,

1082
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 2: system and he should be a consensus top twenty five

1083
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 2: prospect across the. Board to, ME i, MEAN i.

1084
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 3: Will say that for me at the, MOMENT i don't

1085
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 3: have him as the number one prospect in the. System.

1086
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 2: Interesting, INTERESTING i.

1087
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 3: JUST i continue to be more and more of a

1088
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 3: Jazz chisholm guy the MORE i get to see of.

1089
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 3: HIM i think.

1090
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 2: That he's got a. Flair, Man he's got a flair

1091
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 2: for the game that's just. Awesome.

1092
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 3: YEAH i, mean whenever you see a player like him

1093
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 3: who has off the charts tools and off the charts,

1094
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 3: makeup that tends to be a winning. Combination players like,

1095
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 3: that you, know even if the performance may not be

1096
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 3: quite where you want it to, Be i'm willing to

1097
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 3: cut them plenty of. Slack AND i think that In jazz's,

1098
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 3: case especially last, year he got off to an absolutely

1099
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 3: terrible start when he was in The arizona system In DOUBLE,

1100
00:58:54,800 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 3: a but as the season, progressed he kept him proving

1101
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 3: at the. Plate he consistently drew quite a few walks

1102
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 3: throughout the entirety of the, season kept showing that plus,

1103
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,959
Speaker 3: power AND i, MEAN i think at this point he's

1104
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 3: proven that he is a. Shortstop you, know earlier in his,

1105
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 3: career there was some people thought he might be playing

1106
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 3: a different infield, position perhaps even center, field BUT i

1107
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 3: think he's really come into his own at that. POSITION

1108
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 3: i love the. POWER i think at the very, least

1109
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 3: he's going to get on base and be a big power.

1110
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 3: Producer but there's a chance that he could be just

1111
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 3: like a just a shade below average to average, hitter

1112
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 3: and then maybe he's just hitting in the heart of

1113
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 3: your lineup and playing up the middle for, you and

1114
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 3: then you're talking about An all star type of. Player

1115
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 3: SO i think that's A he's a guy who's quite

1116
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 3: close to the majors and is showing a pretty reasonable

1117
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 3: projection of being an above average everyday, player.

1118
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 2: And you talked about how he got better throughout the. Year,

1119
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 2: spencer look at what he did when he got To.

1120
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 2: JACKSONVILLE i mean he had never so he had never

1121
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 2: walked more than eight point eight percent of the. Time

1122
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 2: that was in twenty, eighteen in twenty or that was

1123
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 2: in LOW, a in h I a in the jackson

1124
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 2: in The diamondbacks, system he was walking in a five

1125
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 2: point six percent. Clip and then this year his walks took.

1126
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 2: Off he was eleven point three when he was in

1127
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 2: DOUBLE a with The, diamondbacks and then eleven point seven

1128
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 2: when he was with The. Marlins and then his numbers

1129
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 2: he put up a one fifty six way to run

1130
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 2: his creative plus when he got to The marlins system

1131
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 2: in ninety, four plate appearances hit two eighty, four three eighty,

1132
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 2: three four ninety, four and the ball was. Jumping he

1133
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 2: hit twenty one homers last. Year so, he like you,

1134
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 2: said he only got, better and he only got better

1135
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 2: when he came To. Miami it seems like he WAS

1136
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 2: i don't know if there was something going, on you,

1137
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 2: Know i'm not going to speculate about, that but he

1138
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 2: was just so. Happy it seemed like when he got

1139
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 2: To miami and it reflected on the field because he

1140
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 2: just tore the cover off the ball once he got.

1141
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 2: Here so, yeah every day and then he you, know

1142
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 2: would you guys say he's been the star of the

1143
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 2: show in spring? TRAINING i, mean who else is really

1144
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 2: taking the spotlight from? Him besides you, know with him

1145
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 2: swaping bags literally out of the ground and you, know

1146
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 2: hitting the ball. HARD i, mean he has been the

1147
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 2: guy THAT i would say has jumped off the. SCREEN

1148
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 2: i mean most AND i think A, marlin a lot

1149
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 2: Of marlins fans and you know, writers you, know Like

1150
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 2: spencer who are just kind of neutral viewers would definitely

1151
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 2: say that he's been the most exciting thing out of

1152
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 2: spring training from from the prospect side so.

1153
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 1: Far, yeah great play from him and some great quotes

1154
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: from him. Too like there was that particular quote that

1155
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: really stuck out from me FROM Mlb network when they

1156
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: did their Thirty clubs in Thirty days Where jazz was

1157
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 1: talking about some of the changes that he was looking

1158
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: to make with his swing and BUT i.

1159
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 4: Know you get a little pull happy, sometimes so one

1160
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 4: of the things that you're working on to offset.

1161
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 6: That All i'm working on now is just barrel control

1162
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 6: and being consistent with my. Barrel talking to the hitting

1163
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,479
Speaker 6: coaches here With Eric, Duncan James russ and and all those,

1164
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:18,439
Speaker 6: guys they really helped me to control my barrel and

1165
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 6: keep my hands and the way THAT i can control my.

1166
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 6: Barrel so for those guys really being there for me

1167
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 6: and not trying to change the swing more so of

1168
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 6: controlling the, BARREL i feel pretty.

1169
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 1: Good and of course now we're finally seeing that in

1170
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: some spring training games as. Well how it's really translating

1171
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: and being able to make that type of quality contact

1172
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 1: that he's always been able to, do but not swinging

1173
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: and missing as much as he used, to and how

1174
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: that really opens up like such a high ceiling. Form

1175
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,919
Speaker 1: he's able to balance those two the quality contact and

1176
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 1: without missing in the first.

1177
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 2: Place but he cut down his strikeout rate when he

1178
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 2: got to The. Marlins he was striking out at the

1179
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 2: highest percentage of his career when he was in with

1180
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 2: The diamondbacks IN doublea this year at thirty three point eight.

1181
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 2: Percent he cut that down a twenty five point five

1182
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 2: when he got to The marlin. System his lowest before

1183
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 2: that was in two hundred and seventy played appearances in

1184
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 2: rookie ball at twenty seven. Percent so, yeah his adjustments

1185
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 2: and his development once he got here is no, joke

1186
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 2: and you can see it in the numbers for.

1187
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 3: SURE i, think like when you talk about the kind

1188
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 3: of tools that he, has he's a very different player

1189
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 3: at this. Stage BUT i think that to be a

1190
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 3: guy who plays up the middle with with that kind

1191
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 3: of power in his bad he reminds me a little

1192
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 3: bit Of Kittel. Marte kittel was a lot more contact

1193
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 3: oriented as a young, player Whereas jazz has always been

1194
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 3: more power. Overhit there's some similarities to Young Xander bogart's there,

1195
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 3: TOO i. Think SO i think that the ceiling there

1196
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 3: is really really, high and he's really not all that

1197
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 3: far From and.

1198
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: This is a good way to tease the fact That

1199
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: i'm expecting us to make some updates to our Own

1200
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: Fish Stripes top thirty list between now and opening, day

1201
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 1: just because we've seen so many of these Players jazz

1202
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: included in spring, games and that we've had all these

1203
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 1: other prospect lists from other outlets to consider and to

1204
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 1: help us guide our own. Opinions and we Know spencer

1205
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: in particular Sees jazz is the number one guy in the,

1206
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: system and so if we have a chance to reconvene

1207
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 1: and revote on this between now and opening, day people

1208
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: can check back and see how the rankings change between

1209
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 1: the ones that we head out In december and the

1210
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 1: ones that we have going into the regular. SEASON a

1211
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 1: reminder to everybody to head over to swingsonmissions dot com

1212
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: and to read that profile That Ian smith did On

1213
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 1: Peyden verdick and he's gonna have a lot of written

1214
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 1: content over there during the, season and they'll surely be

1215
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: on the pod a bunch during the year and sharing

1216
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 1: a lot of the observations that he had For. Jupiter

1217
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 1: this is on The Fish stripes, podcast and we'll play

1218
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 1: MORE ets during the twenty twenty season at a time

1219
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: where this farm system is more jacked than it's been

1220
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: in recent, memory and all these guys that have such

1221
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: close proximity to the majors as Well Eli sussman along

1222
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: With Ethan Badowski Spencer. Morris beginning OF ets season. Two

1223
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 1: thank you all for. Listening Go fish