1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Third hour of Clay and Buckets going right now, and 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: we're also at tickoff for the US men's national team 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: against Iran. The game underway. Clay going to be hiding 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: his facial expressions as he has a monitor on. We 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:17,319 Speaker 1: usually just have news on in our respective studios, but 6 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: that's obviously a big game and we'll be watching it 7 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: after this radio program. In the meantime, I had mentioned 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: this duo. I thought this was so interesting that the 9 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: timing of it, and it brings up some broader, broader 10 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: issues and concerns. I think energy is one of the 11 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: weak points of the Biden regime. There's no question about 12 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: that energy policy, fossil fuels. They have an ideological obsession 13 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: with limiting and pushing back as much as possible fossil 14 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: fuel development in favor of renewables, even when they're more expensive, 15 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: even when it has geopolitical implications. I mean, look at 16 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: how the Russian economy has collapsed. Oh wait, no, it hasn't. 17 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: But that was what was going to happen right when 18 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: we started. Oh but we actually can't stop them from 19 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: selling their oil, and that's not even hasn't even been 20 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: shut down by the sanctions. Venezuela, though, is a country 21 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: that the Left does not want to talk to you 22 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: about very much. You know, I spent a lot of 23 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: time in Florida and South florid in particular in Clay. 24 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: The Venezuela refugee population in the United States is very, 25 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: very considerable, very large, especially in South Florida and Venezuela 26 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: has been You've had about six million people in the 27 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: last decade fleeing Venezuela. You have six million people who 28 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: are just couldn't deal with it anymore. They've seen the 29 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: every aspect of life in Venezuela economically, socially, politically. There's 30 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: not enough food on the shelves, the economy is destroyed, 31 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: hyper inflation is happening. All this is going on, and 32 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: it's because you have the Maduro socialist regime of thugs 33 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: who are very quick to talk about social justice and 34 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: redistribution of wealth. They've destroyed what was the second wealthiest 35 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 1: country in Latin in South America. Yes, I've lived a 36 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: second wealthiest country, and even per capita when you add 37 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: in the oil revenues. It was a place that was 38 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: doing quite well up through the nineties, but then the 39 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: socialists took over. This is interesting because you have the 40 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: Biden administration right before Thanksgiving cutting back on the sanctions 41 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 1: that we have on Venezuela, and we do. We could 42 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: do a whole deep dive into you have the Venezuela 43 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: in some of the top government officials are actually officially 44 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: sanctioned as narco traffickers. To give you a sense of 45 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: how things are going there. I think the Vice president 46 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: of Venezuela, he certainly was at one point a sanctioned 47 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: narco trafficker by the US Treasury Department. These are people 48 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: that are making millions, perhaps even billions over the long haul, 49 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: selling cocaine heroin into the US, poisoning our cities and 50 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: our people. The Biden administration decided that they were going 51 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: to take more oil from Venezuela, and what's fascinating, they 52 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: did this right before Thanksgiving to nobody would pay attention. 53 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: There's also a country right next to Venezuela, Guiana. My 54 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:27,519 Speaker 1: sister's husband's family is from Guiana, and Guiana just had 55 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: the discovery of a considerable I think it's eleven billion 56 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: barrels they estimate offshore. So this is a huge boon, 57 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: a huge economic game changer for the country of Guiana, 58 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: which is a US ally aligned with our aligned with 59 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: US ideologically capitalist in its approach. And at the same time, 60 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: the Biden administration saying more oil from Venezuela. That sounds good. 61 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: They vetoed a loan that the US government, the US 62 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: government was in a position, through a public private one 63 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: of his public private vehicles, to make so that Guiana 64 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: can't develop its offshore reserves. So we'd rather buy oil 65 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: right now from the evil commies running Venezuela, then help 66 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: an ally and Guiana develop considerable resources natural fossil fuel 67 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: resources over the next ten years. Because Clay, why the 68 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: Green New Deal, and also the Biden regime les commies. 69 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: Let's be honest, they totally slid this under the radar. Look, 70 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: they begged Saudi Arabia to increase oil production, and Saudi Arabia, 71 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: Mohammed bin Salman in particular, basically gave him the back 72 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: of the hand. Remember Biden traveled all the way to 73 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia. They didn't want to shake hands, so instead 74 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: he did a fist bump and they also kind of 75 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: slid late at night. The story, by the way, after saying, oh, 76 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: they're a pariah state. We're not going to treat Saudi 77 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: Arabia well. In the wake of the Jamal Kashogi murder, 78 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: they then said, oh, yeah, Mohammed bin Salman, he has 79 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: diplomatic community, which feels to me like Buck even more 80 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: of an attempt to try to get oil out of 81 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia. And so given what's going on with Russia, 82 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: they have made the calculated decision we are not going 83 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: to increase production in the United States because we don't 84 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: want to upset all these crazy environmentalist Green New Deal people. 85 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: But instead we're going to allow Venezuela to increase its 86 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: production and we're going to give more money to them 87 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: instead of putting more money into our own countries. Coffers. 88 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: So this is just infuriating because it presumes, first of all, 89 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: that somehow the economy, sorry, the the overall environment is 90 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: better off because we're getting oil from those places as 91 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: opposed to the United States, when in reality, Buck, it's 92 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: actually worse for the environment because they don't have the 93 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: same safeguards oil and gas pumping that we do here, 94 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: and most in the media just totally don't pay attention 95 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: to it. And as you mentioned, they dropped the news 96 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: right in going into a holiday weekend, know that most 97 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: people are not going to focus on it, and it 98 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: just completely vanishes. It's to me emblematic of how broken 99 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: American energy policy is under the Biden administration. But I 100 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: think it's significant. I think it needs to be talked about, 101 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: and you don't have to do it is just so 102 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: transparently wrong. You don't have to go that far back 103 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: to read editorials in places like the New York Times 104 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: that were really optimistic and very defensive even of Chavez. 105 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: And now now obviously it's the madureau regime took over 106 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: for Chavez. Because this had all the makings of the 107 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: usual social justice narrative. Oh, there's the rich elites and 108 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: they have access to the oil wealth, and if only 109 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: we had a government that was more consider more consider 110 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: it about sharing the wealth and spreading it around the 111 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: lift everybody out of poverty. And what they did is 112 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: they then seized. They nationalized a lot of assets. They 113 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: seize the factories, they seized obviously the oil assets. First 114 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: a socialist regime, they effectively destroyed private property and also 115 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: started instituting price controls and the price controls mechanism is 116 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: what really drives things into the dumpster because they say, oh, 117 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: well we can't get washing machines made, or you can't 118 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,119 Speaker 1: find any washing machines in the store, you can't find 119 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: name any consumer good. We're just going to set the 120 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: price lower. Well, that creates a death spiral in the markets, 121 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: that creates massive shortages. It is an economic case study 122 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: in why you don't actually have people who are so 123 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:54,239 Speaker 1: concerned with ending poverty and social justice making determinations about 124 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: capital flows, making determinations about supply and demand because they 125 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: ruined this country. And I mean I speak to I 126 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: actually have some friends who are Venezuelan in the Miami area, 127 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: and you talk to them and they say, why doesn't 128 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: r why does an ar crisis ever? I mean, obviously 129 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: the Cubans in the Miami area have been living this 130 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: situation for many decades now. But six million people had 131 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: to flee Venezuela, many of them just with the clothing 132 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: on their backs because of what has been done in 133 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: that country and because of idiotic policy decisions both internally 134 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: and externally. I just feel like there's a much bigger 135 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: story here. But we'd rather get the oil from the 136 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: evil Madua regime that help Guiana with its eleven The 137 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: only country in the world cli per Kappa that they 138 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: think has more oil than Guiana is quaint to give 139 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: everyone a sense of it, that's what a massive find 140 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: it is. But it'll take some time, and that'll be 141 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 1: a big new source of nearby secure energy for the 142 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: global market, for the US market, they don't want it. 143 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: They'd rather make the evil dictators in Venezuela rich than 144 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: actually have a capitalist ally with a longer term horizon 145 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: of fossil fuel production. Because they're crazy. I don't know 146 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: what else to because they think the earth is gonna melt, 147 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: and you know, we're gonna be undersea and the polar 148 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: bears are Remember when the polar bears were all gonna 149 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: drown with al gore? You know, now you talk to people, 150 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: We have people live in an anchorage listening to us 151 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: right now. The polar bears are everywhere. They're like squirrels. 152 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: The other aspect of this book that is so important, 153 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: and you're talking about it from South Florida. Venezuelans are 154 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: overwhelmingly Republican voters. Now, I love it because they more 155 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 1: than anybody else. You have all these Americans who are 156 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 1: on the left in this country saying no, you just 157 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: don't really understand what socialism is, and the Venezuelans say, actually, 158 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: that's why we're here. We've seen what happens when a 159 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: country goes to socialism. Because to your point, Venezuela was 160 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: a very wealthy country. They were doing fantastically well in 161 00:09:55,120 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 1: the Latin American overall economic rankings. And now the other 162 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: thing about the inflation book is it's been so bad 163 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 1: that as soon as you get any money, you feel 164 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: like you need to run out and spend it because 165 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: the next day the value is going to be so diminished. 166 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: You kind of get into that inflation death spiral where 167 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: you feel compelled to get as much value for your 168 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: money as you can, which means you have to spend 169 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: it immediately because whatever you're going to try to buy 170 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: its going to cost more of the decks day or 171 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: the day after. So the last thing you want to 172 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: be doing is sitting around with that money as it 173 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,319 Speaker 1: continues to depreciate based on collapsing inflation. And what is 174 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: among Venezuela's closest allies Iran. How is the Iranian regime 175 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 1: able to pay its security services in military, the oil revenue. 176 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 1: How is Venezuela's Maduro regime of thugs and imbeciles, how 177 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: are they able to pay their bills and continue to 178 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: steal from the people and oppress the You know, Venezuela, man, 179 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: it was like you talk to people. I haven't been 180 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: obviously because it's been a mess for the last fifteen 181 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: years or so. But it was a beautiful place with 182 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: tremendous natural resources and great people, and it has been 183 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: ruined by socialist idiocy. And if you were to ask 184 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: most kids these days, who think they're really politically active 185 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 1: and savvy, college, high school, you name it, they have 186 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: no idea what is going on in that country, because 187 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: ultimately there's a sensitivity about it. The Biden administration. There 188 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: are two things that collide in the Venezuela story that 189 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: mean that the regime, our regime doesn't want us to 190 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: know the truth, the fossil fuel climate change narrative, but 191 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: then also the socialism and social justice component. So it 192 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: never really get it, neverly gets attention. Cuba has been 193 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: ruined by these things. Venezuela has been ruined by these things, 194 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: and the Iranian regime, the Venezuelan regime, the Russians. The 195 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: best thing we can do to deal with those opposition governments, 196 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: perhaps even enemy governments, is to drill, baby, drill, get 197 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: as much domestic US energy action as possible, depress the 198 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: global price of oil and energy, beat them in the 199 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: marketplace with our much more efficient production by letting the 200 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: price of gas run up. You keep Maduro putin the Mullahs, 201 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: you keep them in charge. 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You can find buck 243 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: Sexton at buck Sexton there, and you can also find 244 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: our next guest, Gordon Chang at Gordon g Chang on Twitter. 245 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: He is a columnist and author his books The Coming 246 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: Collapse of China and the Great US China Tech War. Gordon, 247 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: thank you for taking the time to join us. If 248 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: you were advising the Biden White House, we saw their 249 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: tepid comment and response yesterday about the protests that are 250 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: emerging in China surrounding zero COVID. What would you tell 251 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: the Biden White House is the best possible way to 252 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: support these protesters as they fight back against Chinese authoritarianism. Well, 253 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: thas Clay and what I would say is that the 254 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: President Biden should publicly and privately tell the Chinese that 255 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: the United States will impose severe consequences on China should 256 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: the regime use force against protesters. Those words yesterday from 257 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: Admiral Kirby, the NSC coordinator, and in Biden's statement, we're 258 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: really disheartening, dispiriting because if the United States doesn't defend 259 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: freedom and democracy, then no country in the world will. 260 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: And it's not just our effect on China, it's also 261 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: the effect on other countries around the world where they 262 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: see we don't defend our values. Gordon's back. Can you 263 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: just give everybody some sense of how long and how 264 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: extream China's lockdowns have been, because the way the Biden 265 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: administration has spoken about it, it seems to be like, well, 266 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: that's not our policy, and it's probably going to be 267 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: hard for them to make it work. It seems like 268 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: there's some pretty extreme video, even by the standards of 269 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: what we'd expect in China, that's been coming out of 270 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: some of these lockdowns. What has it been like, Well, 271 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: just to give you an example, on Thursday night, there 272 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: was a fire in an apartment block or a Mucci 273 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: and they were reported ten killed. Most people think it's 274 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: somewhere between forty and fifty died. People died buck because 275 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: some were actually in their apartments and could not get 276 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: out because the doors were wired shut on the outside. Now, 277 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: there also been reports which are true because we've seen 278 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: the video of people being welded into their apartments, and 279 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: that is how extreme the zero COVID policy is that 280 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: people are not allowed to leave their apartments for food 281 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: or for anything else if they're under quarantine. Gordon, how 282 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: does this end for China? I mean, and what I 283 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: mean by that is it doesn't seem like they're going 284 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: to get enough natural immunity from COVID based on the 285 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 1: zero COVID policy. We know that the COVID shots, no 286 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 1: matter which one you take, does not keep you from 287 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: getting or spreading COVID. So I don't see a pathway 288 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: out of this for Chairman Z. What is the ultimate 289 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: way that China handles COVID given that they are effectively 290 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: on a zero COVID island now in even attempting to 291 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: implement this policy, I think that essentially the Communist Party 292 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: falls because, as you point out, and you're absolutely correct 293 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: about that, Clay, there is no way out for China. 294 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: They are going to maintain zero COVID for a variety 295 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: of reasons. That has already undermined the economy severely. We're 296 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: seeing not only very poor economic growth, if there's any 297 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: growth at all, but there has also been plunging property 298 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: prices and a falling currency than those are indirect results 299 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: of zero COVID. China is losing fast. Its status as 300 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: the world's factory floored because zero COVID rules have prevented 301 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: China from not only manufacturing product, but also getting it 302 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: to ports and on hips for sailing. So really this 303 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: has been I think going to be the end of 304 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: the Communist Party. Maybe not this week, but the Chinese 305 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: people who were demonstrating over the weekend, we're saying down 306 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 1: with the Communist Party, and they're eventually going to win 307 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: because there's a lot more of them than there are 308 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: of party members. Okay, so you say they're eventually going 309 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: to win, and that's a heck of a prediction. I 310 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: know you've written about it. What's the time frame of 311 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: a Communist Party collapse in China look like in your mind? Well, 312 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 1: I've been wrong on that, so probably I'm the worst 313 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: person in the world to ask, but they're just to 314 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: give you some context. I wrote in two thousand and 315 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: one saying that the Communist Party would fall in a decade. 316 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: In my defense play, I will say I didn't perceive 317 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: the two thousand and eight downturn. But that's a longer 318 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 1: story which we don't have time to get into. But 319 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: I think that we're talking about a two or three 320 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: year timeframe, maybe even less than that, because the Chinese 321 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: people right now are talking about getting rid of the 322 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: CGM pang and that is stunning. I didn't expect that. 323 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: And it's those protests that sprung up after this fire 324 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: on Thursday. Remember those protests across China North southeast West. 325 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: They weren't organized, they weren't coordinated, there was no leadership. 326 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: It's just the people want change. When regimes. We're speaking 327 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: to Gordon Chang, everybody, the US, the Great US, China 328 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: Tech Wars, his latest book. Also at Gordon G. Chang 329 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: on Twitter is his Twitter handle, which we all are 330 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: big fans of Twitter these days because it's a place 331 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: where you actually can share your thoughts. Yeah, Gordon, when 332 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: regimes under pressure, obviously, repression follows in the case of 333 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: a country that is a totalitarian dictatorship like China. But 334 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: there's also always the possibility of some kind of external 335 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: military operation, some effort to unite the population behind, you know, 336 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: the motherland so to speak, because of a ongoing conquest 337 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: or invasion which brings us to Taiwan. What do you 338 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: think the Chinese Communist Party's aims are right now with 339 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: regard to Taiwan, And are you concerned about the US's 340 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: willingness or even capability to do anything about it. I 341 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: think you're absolutely right that Si Jumping will think that 342 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: he can distract the Chinese people from his obvious policy 343 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: and mistakes at home and tried to unite them by 344 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: creating some military misadventure abroad. Taiwan is an obvious candidate, 345 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 1: so Philippines in Japan as well, And you know, it 346 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. What we're talking about is the ability 347 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: of the United States to defend and with regard to Taiwan, 348 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 1: Biden personally, you know, you can tell from his four 349 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: media interviews where he actually said, yes, I will defend 350 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: Taiwan militarily. But we've seen his administration walk back his comments, 351 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: which not only constitute a constitutional crisis in the US. 352 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 1: That's because the White House Press Secretary is not charged 353 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 1: by the constitution with making foreign policy. But also, you know, 354 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 1: the Chinese see the disarray, and even if the administration 355 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: is willing to defend Taiwan, and I tend to think 356 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: they will, I believe the China believes they won't. And 357 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 1: what China believes is really very very important because they're 358 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: the actor in this. So yes, we need to be 359 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: very concerned. And the other thing just buck we have 360 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: a Pentagon, we have a Biden administration that has no 361 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: sense of urgency about what's going on, and so the 362 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 1: Chinese can take us by surprise. And a lot of 363 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: times people think of an invasion as a sign of strength. 364 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 1: But if you look at the population in China, for example, 365 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: it's probably already peaked. The one China policy is going 366 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: to end up being a disaster. They're now trying to 367 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: get people to have two or three children, but over 368 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,959 Speaker 1: the next couple of generations, by the way, most Chinese 369 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: are not doing that, even though they can. Over the 370 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: next couple of generations, the Chinese population could get cut 371 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: in a how much of China wanting to attack and 372 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 1: invade Taiwan is about weakness as opposed to strength, and 373 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: how do we psychologically analyze Chinese motivation based on that knowledge? Yeah, 374 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 1: I think Sgenting is seeing a closing window of opportunity 375 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: to achieve what he believes are historic goals. Because you 376 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: have the debt crisis, plunging property prices, crumbling economy, flawing currency, 377 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 1: worsening food shortages, deterurating environment. I can go on, you know, 378 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: and clearly C. Jim Paying has no answers to these 379 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 1: because his policies are actually aggravating them. So yeah, I 380 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 1: do believe that there's a use it or lose it mentality, 381 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 1: and so that's something another thing which I think argues 382 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: for a Chinese invasion sooner rather than later. And by 383 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: the way, there are two Chinese demographers last fall that 384 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: actually predicted that China's population would fall in half within 385 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 1: forty five years. Gordon, is there any off ramp that 386 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 1: the Chinese Communist Party may have from him? You mentioned 387 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: that they may just continue a zero COVID policy. Can't 388 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: they realize at this point given the protest that this is, 389 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: I mean, are they doing this just because they're addicted 390 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: to totalitarian control or do they still believe the science. 391 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: It just seems somewhat unfathomable, right, It seems totally irrational, 392 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: even for a totalitarian actor like the Chinese Communist Party 393 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: to think that locking people in their home for months 394 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 1: on end is going to do anything. Yes. Yeah, they 395 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: are addicted to totalture and control, and they're addicted to 396 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: something else. You'd rather to remember that the current rule 397 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 1: or Cijun King is revers Mao and now believe that 398 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: China's Communists could do anything in the world. You know, 399 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: they could conquer nature, they could do whatever. And so 400 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: I think they believe that they can conquer a SARS 401 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: covie two, the pathogen that causes COVID nineteen. So they 402 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: believe that. And Ciejun Ping generally believes that his will 403 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: can accomplish anything. So that's another layer on a very 404 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: dangerous mentality. So yeah, this guy is this is not 405 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: something that people outside China is easy for them to 406 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 1: fathom because it is just so abnormal, so ludicrous. But 407 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: that's what they believe, and that's what's important. That's what 408 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: they believe. Gordon, if we'd had this conversation of the 409 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 1: nineteen eighties, everybody was terrified at Japan. Japan was buying 410 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: up all the property in the United States. The economy 411 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: of Japan was white hot. The idea was Japan's taking 412 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: over the world. Over the last forty years, Japan has 413 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: mostly been stagnant, and they fell apart in the late eighties. 414 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: What does the future of China look like? Do you 415 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: believe that China will become the biggest economy in the world. 416 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: If they do, can they stay there? What does China 417 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: look like in forty years if the communism collapses, what 418 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: replaces it? You mentioned the demography. I'm fascinated by it, 419 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: the demographics of potentially the Chinese population being cut in half. 420 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: We know Japan is declining its population aging rapidly. The 421 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: same thing's going to happen in China. How does this end, Well, 422 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: it certainly doesn't end with the Chinese dominating the world. 423 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: You know, I graduated college. I'm going to date myself here. 424 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 1: I graduated college during the Arab oil embargo, and I 425 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: just knew that I was going to be working for 426 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: a shake for the rest of my life. So when 427 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: the Japanese at the end of the nineteen eighties looked 428 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: like that they were going to own planet Earth. I said, 429 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: I don't know how this ends, but it's not going 430 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: to end that way because I'm not working for some 431 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 1: arab um And the same thing with China. China in 432 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: forty years, I think is going to be a weak country, 433 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: could very well be divided, cut up, who knows where 434 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: it's going to be. But it's not going to be 435 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: ruling the world, um, you know. And it's not just demography, um, 436 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: it is everything else that is. All these crises are 437 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 1: hitting China at the same time, and it would be 438 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: a challenge for any group of leaders, but it is 439 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: certainly a challenge for a malicet who has lost touch 440 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 1: with the world as it is. Gordon Chang, I mean, 441 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: this is fantastic stuff at Gordon s Chang on Twitter. 442 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: Go fall him there, thank him for coming on the show. 443 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: Read his books. Gordon. We appreciate the time. Thank you 444 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 1: so much, Clay, and thank you so much, Buck, Thank you, 445 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: thank you, Gordon. Great stuff. The way, I don't think 446 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 1: I don't look a day over forty. By the way, 447 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: I was to say graduated her in the oil embargo, 448 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: No way, Yeah, no, he's aging a lot better than 449 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: I am for sure, and I just I'm fascinated by 450 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: all of the demographic data coming out of China and 451 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: where we're headed. I think the Chinese, Chinese government and 452 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: the Chinese economy in general, I Grew Gordon is way 453 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: weaker than we're analyzing. And I just I don't know 454 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: where it's headed. But I'm not as afraid of China 455 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: in ten years as I am right now, because that's 456 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: an amazing place that's not strength. Early on, remember there 457 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: were people who were concerned there was this theory and 458 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: it was not correct, but there's theory out there. Oh well, 459 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 1: China was trying to get ahead of us with COVID, 460 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: and they're going to come out of it so much 461 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: stronger than we are, and they're doing the lockdowns so 462 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: much stronger. Therefore they'll come out sooner and they'll be 463 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: so much better. Totally the opposite, totally up. Yeah. So 464 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: many people, you know, the experts, the blue checks, were 465 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: so wrong about COVID and and still are so wrong China. 466 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: And that's one reason they're not speaking out very much 467 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 1: about these Chinese protests because they would have to acknowledge 468 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: that the lockdowns and the shutdowns, which they pointed to 469 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: as a great strength of China. And by the way, 470 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: New Zeveland in Australia, which have completely abandoned them. Yeah, 471 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: they're not really stepped out there because it requires acknowledgement. 472 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: Here's the problem for Biden the White House. If China's 473 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 1: super strict lockdowns were utterly pointless and devastating, which they were, 474 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: what were our half ass lockdowns in this country in 475 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: New York, in LA and San fran and etc. What 476 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: were they, Clay? Oh, it's why they're not talking about 477 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: it very much. I really do firmly believe it. The 478 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: Tuttle Twins. 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I 504 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: am sitting here as our Clay and Buck VIP members. 505 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: I believe can see holding up my jersey. I am 506 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: wearing a US soccer jersey as in a little bit 507 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: less than thirty minutes, the United States is going to 508 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: be playing Iran in a winner go home scenario. If 509 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: you if you are out there and you hate soccer, 510 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: ties and everything else, the United States has only two options. 511 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: You win or your season is over. Your World Cup 512 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: is over when and you advance to the round of 513 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: sixteen for knockout stage lose or tie, and your time 514 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: in Qatar is over. So in about thirty minutes, I'm 515 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: going to turn on the television, do my best not 516 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: to react during the final hour of the program as 517 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: we do this show. And also Buck is trying to 518 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: avoid way I believe the score. So that's the sports aspect. 519 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: Does anybody think that Clay is going to keep a 520 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: poker face on while because I don't think any of 521 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,959 Speaker 1: us believe Clay gets so excited over the big sports 522 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: ball events. So this is gonna be a fun thing 523 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: to watch him. He's like, I'm gonna watch him with 524 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: his with his face, you know, is his upper lip 525 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: quivering just a little bit as he sees what's going on. 526 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna watch it afterwards. And you know, I um, 527 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: you know, I actually was at the World Cup in night. 528 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: I saw a match in nineteen ninety four. My dad 529 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: took me. So that was like the when they were 530 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: in the United States. Where did you go to a game? 531 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: And in New York area, guy in stadium I saw. 532 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: I remember it was like Morocco and I forget who 533 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: they were playing. I was young, you know, I was, 534 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: I was a kid. I don't remember. Um, but I 535 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: did go with my high school soccer team to the 536 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,959 Speaker 1: World Cup in France in nineteen ninety eight. We had 537 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: like a fundraiser, we'd like a walkathon or something. We 538 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: raised money and then the team went over there. Um, 539 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: and I saw Belgium play Holland, which is like those 540 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: tiny countries next door. Both descended upon Paris. The whole 541 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: countries for that soccer matches. Pretty wild. That is pretty cool. 542 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: So now the game itself, obviously rooting for the United 543 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: States against Iran. This is a big deal geopolitically too. 544 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: We played yesterday on Graham the Iranian propagandist aka their 545 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: media grilling the United States players and coach and arguing, oh, 546 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: you guys are not actually free, right. But this is 547 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: pretty monstrous because Iran is in the middle buck of 548 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: a real sort of I would say vanguard uprising against 549 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: their government over the way women are treated in that country, 550 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: and so they have told the Iranian soccer team, and 551 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: this is why I'm going to be watching irrespective of 552 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: what happens in the game. There are reports that they 553 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 1: have told the members of the Iranian soccer team that 554 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: if they do not sing the national anthem, they are 555 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: going to torture their family members back in Iran. So 556 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: I want everyone out there to just think about this 557 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: for a minute. We've had sports and politics colliding for 558 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: years over the national anthem in this country, and what 559 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: has ended up happening is the Colin Kaepernicks of the 560 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: world have made millions of dollars by refusing to stand 561 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: for the national anthem. In other words, our woke companies 562 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: have actually rewarded them for their protest. In Iran. If 563 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: you don't sing the national anthem, they are reportedly going 564 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: to torture the family members of these soccer players. This 565 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: is a different level of bravery, it's a different level 566 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: of pressure, it's a different level of significance for all 567 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: of these Iranian players who in the opening game of 568 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: the World Cup did not sing the national anthem because 569 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: they were supporting all of the women who are protesting 570 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: in Iran for basic human rights which they currently do 571 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,719 Speaker 1: not have. Look, there's a lot of bad blood between 572 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: the regimes, but a lot of solidarity between the people, 573 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 1: our people and their people, at least those in Iran 574 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: who want freedom our regime and the Iranian well. Our 575 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: government and the Iranian regime obviously has had in all 576 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: senses a deeply troubled and hostile, openly hostile relationships since 577 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine, since they took hostages at the US embassy, 578 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,359 Speaker 1: and the fact that this was such a big thing 579 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: for Iran in nineteen ninety four when they beat the 580 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 1: US men's team two to one, as partly indicative. I 581 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,720 Speaker 1: think one if they never get wins against the US really, 582 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you look at the Iranian governments. 583 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: It's a sclerotic kleptocracy of mister Vocab That one just 584 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 1: kind of float. I don't know what to say, but yeah, 585 00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: it's it's a bunch. It's a bunch of dictators in 586 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 1: clerical robes, and the economy is garbage, which it shouldn't 587 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 1: be the only reason they're able to fund their military 588 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: and other government expenditures just because they have oil. If 589 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: they didn't, the whole place would would be in free 590 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: fall collapse. The regime doesn't actually liberalize in meaningful ways. 591 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,839 Speaker 1: We keep going through these phases where we say, oh, 592 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: maybe now it's a government of hardliners too. About a 593 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,839 Speaker 1: decade ago, there was a moment, Oh, they're gonna have 594 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: to they're gonna moderate things. Remember the Obama administration, the 595 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: Iran deal. Yes, we're gonna we're gonna bring them, normalize 596 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,720 Speaker 1: things with them. No, they just got crazier. Actually, so 597 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: there's not also a whole lot else going on in 598 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,919 Speaker 1: the international scene for Iran. You know, there are people 599 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: listening right now who are like Buck, I don't even care, Clay, 600 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,760 Speaker 1: I don't even care about the US men's national soccer 601 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: team in Iran. The whole country is gonna watch. There's 602 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,800 Speaker 1: really nothing. There's no other game in town, so to speak. 603 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: And this is their one opportunity to try to get 604 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,760 Speaker 1: some kind of a win on the world stage against 605 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 1: the United States. And I also feel like, unfortunately that 606 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: creates all these like none of the US players should 607 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: feel geopolitical pressure. They should have the normal like we're Americans, 608 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: we kick butt, like go get them guys. But they 609 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,839 Speaker 1: shouldn't feel geopolitical pressure to perform, but I think some 610 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: of them are going to because they realize, you know, 611 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: there was remember the axis of evil. This is part 612 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,839 Speaker 1: of the axis of evil, folks. Well, and if the 613 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: United States loses, there will be a celebration the death 614 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: to America, chance the burning of the American flag. I'm 615 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: sure we'll be taking place in Iranian streets, and I 616 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:33,760 Speaker 1: would be being encouraged by government propagandists. Buck I actually 617 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: think I don't think the Biden White House will do it, 618 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:41,240 Speaker 1: but it would be an incredible moment of bravery for 619 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: our country to speak out and say that we will 620 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: not allow Iran to attack the family members of the 621 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: Iranian soccer team. Now, I don't think we could follow 622 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 1: through on unfortunately, think something we could, well, we can 623 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 1: have I don't think we we Look, that's the problem 624 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: is that you're going to have these Iranian players at 625 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: the mercy of this regime, and we don't have that many. 626 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: We don't have that many levers in Iran. We don't 627 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: even have diplomatic relations with Iran. We have to think 628 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: the only thing we can do is say we're once 629 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: and for all, we're done negotiating, and we're actually going 630 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,760 Speaker 1: to adopt this is what we should do. We're actually 631 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: going to adopt the Israeli perspective. The Israelis have been 632 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,359 Speaker 1: running roughshot over the Iranian nuclear program for some time. 633 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: They've been sabotaging it, they've been executing high level Iranian scientist. 634 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 1: I think if the United States was actually being run 635 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 1: in a honest and straight, straightforward and trustworthy manner, we 636 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: would just say that right, we're done with all this 637 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: ridiculous negotiations. You guys are terrorists. You are, as you said, 638 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 1: kleptocrats using clerical robes to try to ruin a country 639 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: and a people that actually overwhelmingly reject the validity of 640 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 1: their rulers. And so we're going to actually go to 641 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,320 Speaker 1: war in a sense with you over your ability to 642 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: get nuclear weapons, and Israel has basically set it. I 643 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 1: don't know why we're pretending that we're not doing it. 644 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: Just let that be known. And I hope we kicked 645 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: their assids we've been. Yeah, I hope we beat them 646 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 1: in soccer. I mean the geopolitical side of this, there's 647 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: some some nuances and some some other component. But for 648 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: one thing, Clay We've been fighting various proxy wars against 649 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 1: the Iranians forever in the Middle East, really, I mean 650 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: stretching backs. Early in the nineteen seventy nine they were 651 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,399 Speaker 1: getting they were going after us in Iraq, and then 652 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: we went out, you know, we killed Kasam Solomani. I mean, 653 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of back and forth, so I 654 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 1: don't you know, yeah, these first of all, the Israelis 655 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: about their operations, don't talk about anything that's their policy. 656 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 1: So there's US reporting or you know, Western Western reporting 657 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,399 Speaker 1: on what's happening to a nuclear scientist. The Israelis keep 658 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,879 Speaker 1: all that stuff real quiet, whatever they're doing or not doing. 659 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 1: That's one part of this. But obviously everybody knows that 660 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 1: there is a there are open hostilities going on between 661 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,320 Speaker 1: Iran and Israel. The problem that I think is raised 662 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,800 Speaker 1: with what you're saying, or you know, with the approach 663 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,280 Speaker 1: of why don't we just say this, Clay, the Democrat 664 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 1: Party thinks that we're the problem with Iran. That's really 665 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 1: the problem. They think we're the problem. So that's because 666 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 1: actually had honest policy, it would be great to just 667 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: stand up and actually point out that that's not true. Yeah, 668 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: I mean, there are if you walk around the streets 669 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,800 Speaker 1: of New York or LA or San France or Chicago 670 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: or DC, not to mention a whole bunch of other places, 671 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 1: and you just ask random passers by on the street 672 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,840 Speaker 1: who think they know about geopolitics, Hey, you know, we 673 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: have a tough relationship with Iran. Whose fault is it. 674 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:42,839 Speaker 1: You get a lot of them be like, Oh, it's 675 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,839 Speaker 1: American imperialism, and it's because and some of them even 676 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 1: try to show off and be like, oh, it's because 677 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,279 Speaker 1: of what we did with the Shaw and Mosa deck 678 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: and you know, they start coming back in the nineteen fifties, 679 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: nineteen sixties, so they think it's our fault, Clay, that's 680 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 1: the problem. And that's unfortunately half the country to blame 681 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: America first call, this is alive and well. On the 682 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 1: Iranian issue, well, there's an obsession obviously based on who 683 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 1: Trump is having dinner with, with the idea that Republicans 684 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:12,280 Speaker 1: are anti Semitic. There's actually a hugely anti Semitic portion 685 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: of the Democrat base right now that refuses to stand 686 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 1: up for Israel, that refuses to condemn many of these 687 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: Middle Eastern countries for their clearly anti Semitic behavior. I 688 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:28,800 Speaker 1: mean even on Twitter, that they still have Comeni on Twitter. 689 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: And I believe I'm correct Buck that he has basically 690 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: said that the Jewish you know, attacked Jews regularly from 691 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,839 Speaker 1: his Twitter account. Uh. And of course he's not banned. Uh. 692 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,799 Speaker 1: And and do list his preferred pronouns, because you know 693 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,319 Speaker 1: Twitter has rules, or at least it used to. I 694 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,879 Speaker 1: don't think they're going to have any any admirals who 695 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:54,959 Speaker 1: are transgender anytime soon in the in the Iranian military. Uh. Look, 696 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,280 Speaker 1: that game coming up soon, but it is a major 697 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: geopolitical flashpoint, and it will be intriguing to see in 698 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: about fifteen minutes how that game begins and whether the 699 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,360 Speaker 1: Iranian players do or do not seeing the national anthem 700 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 1: of their country, and whether those threats of terror activity 701 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,759 Speaker 1: on behalf against their family are going to emerge. It's 702 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,240 Speaker 1: a story that may well pop in the next fifteen 703 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,920 Speaker 1: minutes or so. Look. The shopping crush both a blessing 704 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 1: and a curse for small business owners. 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My 714 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,719 Speaker 1: wife was just saying where Buck and Carrey going to 715 00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: be living. I need their address. She's obsessed with the 716 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,239 Speaker 1: Christmas card list. All these stamps we imprinted out. Buystamps 717 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,040 Speaker 1: dot com. You can get started yourself with stamps dot 718 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,800 Speaker 1: com today. Sign up with the promo code Clay and 719 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,320 Speaker 1: Buck for a special offer that includes a four week 720 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 1: trial plus free postage in a free digital scale. 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It's going to 731 00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,720 Speaker 1: be quite a day, and we have the US versus 732 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 1: Iran coming up. During Iran not to be confused with Iran, Apparently, 733 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,040 Speaker 1: according to that journalist yesterday, super offensive to mispronounce the 734 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:15,880 Speaker 1: country and say, yeah, I'm sure that the Iranian journalists 735 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 1: who are propagandists would go around correcting people from other 736 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 1: countries about their pronunciation. We'll get into that in a 737 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,959 Speaker 1: little bit by Man Clay here is going to break 738 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 1: down some of the big implications of the really for Iran, 739 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 1: the biggest sporting event in many ways since nineteen ninety eight. 740 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 1: For US, well, we'll see, we'll talk about it. And 741 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,759 Speaker 1: we've also got the Washington Post. It seems like the 742 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,600 Speaker 1: lib media can't figure out if the murder increase in 743 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,719 Speaker 1: this country that has happened nationwide is something that's just 744 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,480 Speaker 1: a right wing scare tactic or it's just obvious from 745 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,240 Speaker 1: all the data. Because it is Washington Post today has 746 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:57,160 Speaker 1: front page story up on the web about the spike 747 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,120 Speaker 1: in murders across the country. Plus we've got us a 748 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,640 Speaker 1: strange story that we will make some sense of if 749 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:13,440 Speaker 1: it's possible. A Biden administration nuclear energy expert stole woman's 750 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:18,480 Speaker 1: a woman's luggage, had it for a month, took it 751 00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:24,520 Speaker 1: from the airport carousel, unpack the female victim's clothing. And 752 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,160 Speaker 1: this individuals not only a deputy Assistant secretary a das 753 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,840 Speaker 1: in government speak, but also a transactivist who does kink 754 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,440 Speaker 1: workshops for Also, this is a guy, by the way, 755 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,719 Speaker 1: they keep calling the person a they in a lot 756 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,359 Speaker 1: of the reporting, who does kink workshops for people who 757 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 1: dress up as puppies. Have you seen this? Yes? Yeah, 758 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 1: I don't even understand some of this craziness. Yeah, not 759 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 1: the workshop, but I just mean the reporting like I can't. 760 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,759 Speaker 1: There are some things I can't fully watch through, even 761 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,399 Speaker 1: from my job here. And then also perhaps we'll talk 762 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,880 Speaker 1: a bit about what's going on with these look Balenciaga. 763 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,839 Speaker 1: I have never bought anything from Balenciaga. I don't really 764 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,399 Speaker 1: know it very well as a brand, but it's an expensive, 765 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:14,480 Speaker 1: fancy fashion brand, and their ads are completely depraved, and 766 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,279 Speaker 1: they're not even really able to defend it even in 767 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,799 Speaker 1: the most left wing friendly environments. Possible, So we can 768 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,200 Speaker 1: talk about that in a bit, But I want to 769 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:30,320 Speaker 1: start off today Clay with I think Elon is framing 770 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,000 Speaker 1: this discussion in exactly the right way. I think the 771 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,239 Speaker 1: way that Elon is lining this up is important for 772 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 1: everyone to see and hear. He is saying, well, his 773 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,640 Speaker 1: fight right now for free speech online, and you could 774 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,680 Speaker 1: certainly say the looming battle with Apple weighs in heavily 775 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,879 Speaker 1: to this. This was a tweet that he put out 776 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,640 Speaker 1: to his hundred million followers. This is a battle for 777 00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,960 Speaker 1: the future of civilization. If free speech is lost, even 778 00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,480 Speaker 1: in America, tyranny is all that lies ahead. And almost 779 00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,719 Speaker 1: as if on Q Clay Karen Jean Pierre from the 780 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,279 Speaker 1: White House jumps in to say, nice Twitter, you got there, 781 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,319 Speaker 1: Elon be ashamed if something happened to it. Play clip one. 782 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,680 Speaker 1: It's the researchers Stanford who says this is a critical 783 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,480 Speaker 1: moment freely in terms of ensuring that Twitter does not 784 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,839 Speaker 1: become a factor from misinformation. Ela Musk says there's more 785 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:29,120 Speaker 1: and more a subscribers coming in line. Are you concerned 786 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,920 Speaker 1: about that? And what tools do you have? Who is 787 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,080 Speaker 1: it at the White House that is really keeping tractor US. 788 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 1: This is something that was certainly keeping an eye on, 789 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,640 Speaker 1: keeping an eye on Twitter misinformation. Clay, Oh boy, this 790 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:49,440 Speaker 1: is one of the most important battles of the twenty 791 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,000 Speaker 1: first century. And every day we're in the business, we 792 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,759 Speaker 1: come on and we talk about story and one thing 793 00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,919 Speaker 1: that I believe axel Rod it was who would refer 794 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:04,040 Speaker 1: to stories as nothing burgers, which I think is actually 795 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,600 Speaker 1: accurate during the Obama White House because one of the 796 00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,319 Speaker 1: real challenges, and I know many of you out there 797 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,280 Speaker 1: feel it, is there's so much information coming in every 798 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:18,919 Speaker 1: single day at such rapid rates of speed. It's hard 799 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,839 Speaker 1: to know what matters and what is still going to 800 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:26,239 Speaker 1: be a story in twenty four hours. Most stories are disposable, 801 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,040 Speaker 1: they don't matter after twenty four hours. A week long 802 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,680 Speaker 1: story is rare, a month long story is very rare, 803 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,320 Speaker 1: and a year long story or a multi year story 804 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,640 Speaker 1: is virtually unheard of. This is a multi decade story. 805 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,440 Speaker 1: And let me explain what I mean by that. China. 806 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,320 Speaker 1: Everybody out there understands this. China has created the Great 807 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,440 Speaker 1: Wall of the Chinese Internet. They control what you can 808 00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,799 Speaker 1: and cannot see in that country. Across the board. Example, 809 00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:00,000 Speaker 1: World Cup is being played right now. China is edited 810 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,360 Speaker 1: the World Cup feed that arrives in its country to 811 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,640 Speaker 1: take away footage of fans in the stands because China 812 00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,200 Speaker 1: doesn't want its people to know that none of the 813 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,880 Speaker 1: fans are wearing masks because they still require masks, because 814 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:18,600 Speaker 1: they're still supporting zero COVID. They are artificially manipulating what 815 00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,839 Speaker 1: you were able to see on television, what you're able 816 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,880 Speaker 1: to see on the internet. They are a thought control society. 817 00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,920 Speaker 1: Most Americans, and I bet almost every single one of 818 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,920 Speaker 1: you listening to us right now knows that that is wrong. 819 00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:36,479 Speaker 1: The Biden, White House and Democrats, in collusion with big tech, 820 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,759 Speaker 1: are trying to do the same thing here. They're not 821 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,640 Speaker 1: doing it directly themselves because it would be a First 822 00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:48,680 Speaker 1: Amendment violation, but they are effectively deputizing all of these 823 00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,160 Speaker 1: big tech companies to do what the United States government 824 00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:56,279 Speaker 1: could not do itself. And most of these big tech 825 00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:00,279 Speaker 1: companies are aligned so much culturally with the Democrat Party 826 00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,120 Speaker 1: that they are happy to do their bidding. What's occurring 827 00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:07,120 Speaker 1: here is in the world of tech, they've got everything, 828 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,200 Speaker 1: and right now we basically have Elon Musk, and to 829 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,919 Speaker 1: his credit, Elon Musk sees what is happening and has 830 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,520 Speaker 1: the wherewithal and the willingness to stand athwart this idea, 831 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,759 Speaker 1: point it out and call it out, and Buck we 832 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,600 Speaker 1: can make fun of Karine Jean Pierre and she I 833 00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,719 Speaker 1: think is the dumbest person to ever be White House 834 00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,239 Speaker 1: Press secretary in our nation's history. And we've got a 835 00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,000 Speaker 1: clip that just continues to bring that home here in 836 00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,960 Speaker 1: a little bit. But Jen Saki was saying the same thing. 837 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,680 Speaker 1: In fact, Jen Saki was actually more aggressively saying what 838 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,760 Speaker 1: Karen Jean Pierre just said, which is they were sending 839 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,120 Speaker 1: And I think some of these lawsuits are going to 840 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,880 Speaker 1: provide more and more evidence of it. Twitter accounts that 841 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,360 Speaker 1: they didn't like, Facebook accounts that they didn't like, demanding 842 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,280 Speaker 1: that those people be censored. And Elon now is saying, Hey, 843 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,680 Speaker 1: I'm about to release all this public information, and I 844 00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,680 Speaker 1: hope he does it to show how much of a 845 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,960 Speaker 1: rig job has been an effect on Twitter and how much, frankly, 846 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,520 Speaker 1: it has distorted our American democracy in our entire marketplace 847 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,440 Speaker 1: of ideas he's going to release, he says. Elon has 848 00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,200 Speaker 1: put out in the last twenty four hours that the 849 00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:17,560 Speaker 1: new York Post story that was a suppressed We all 850 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,919 Speaker 1: know this. This is a matter of record. They've they've 851 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,359 Speaker 1: even admitted it and said, yeah, probably wasn't a great 852 00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,759 Speaker 1: idea now, but it actually for them was a great 853 00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,640 Speaker 1: idea because it wasn't about misinformation. It was about an election, 854 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,600 Speaker 1: and we all know that. And the whole purpose was 855 00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,160 Speaker 1: to make sure that there wasn't an October surprise that 856 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,480 Speaker 1: hurt Democrats right before the twenty twenty election. So they 857 00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,320 Speaker 1: got their way, even if afterwards they say, whoop, see, 858 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,239 Speaker 1: I guess we made at a little mistake here, But 859 00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,920 Speaker 1: it's bigger than that, because now instead of just being 860 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,960 Speaker 1: able to say it's a mistake clay, which is their 861 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,200 Speaker 1: plausible deniability, even if many people would see it as implausible, 862 00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,279 Speaker 1: I certainly do. You certainly do. But now if we 863 00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,840 Speaker 1: see their internal communications, which Elon is saying he will release, 864 00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,360 Speaker 1: you will see one of the most powerful technology companies 865 00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:09,239 Speaker 1: in the country, essentially, I believe, laying out the reasoning 866 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,920 Speaker 1: for why they're going to suppress a story that possibly 867 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,479 Speaker 1: could cost Joe Biden the election. And because they never 868 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,799 Speaker 1: thought that this stuff would be public, They never thought 869 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,120 Speaker 1: that anybody would get access to it. They're probably sloppy. 870 00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,160 Speaker 1: No one ever thought Elon was going to buy Twitter 871 00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,480 Speaker 1: for forty four billion dollars. Right, No one thought he 872 00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,880 Speaker 1: was going to take a company that was public private 873 00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,719 Speaker 1: in this way. Never gonna happen, right, Whoops. They made 874 00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:33,120 Speaker 1: a mistake on that one. And I think that we 875 00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,960 Speaker 1: all have to remember that the focus here on misinformation 876 00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,800 Speaker 1: is really just a way of changing, once again, changing 877 00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,000 Speaker 1: the words that are used to justify something that should 878 00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,560 Speaker 1: be completely unacceptable to all Americans, which is the government 879 00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,520 Speaker 1: deciding some idea, some points of view are okay and 880 00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,520 Speaker 1: some are not. This is flagrant First Amendment violation. We 881 00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,880 Speaker 1: all know this. We're going to see this. And the 882 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,919 Speaker 1: people who keep complaining about misinformation online are the same 883 00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:03,600 Speaker 1: people who are saying that you should wear a mask 884 00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:08,040 Speaker 1: because it saves you from COVID and women can get pregnant, etc. Etc. 885 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,920 Speaker 1: We see this all across the board. Governor Ronda Santist 886 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,840 Speaker 1: by the way, he realizes, Look, it's not enough just 887 00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,280 Speaker 1: to make the case. We got to use the tools 888 00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,360 Speaker 1: we have on our side too. Maybe it's time to 889 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,520 Speaker 1: have a good long look at some of these companies, 890 00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,440 Speaker 1: including Apple and the Apple Store, including Google, including you 891 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:29,680 Speaker 1: name it, for monopolies. Here is Ronda Santist talking about this, 892 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:36,399 Speaker 1: and you react, do we have it? Nope, Well we'll 893 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,920 Speaker 1: get it. Usque is actually opening it up for free 894 00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,680 Speaker 1: speech and is restoring a lot of accounts that were 895 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:49,800 Speaker 1: unfairly and illegitimately suspended for putting out accurate information about 896 00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,759 Speaker 1: COVID the old regime and Twitter, their response was to 897 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,840 Speaker 1: try to just suffocate the descent, and in Elon Musk 898 00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,440 Speaker 1: knows that's not a winning formula, and so he's providing 899 00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,000 Speaker 1: free speech. And so if Apple responds to that by 900 00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,560 Speaker 1: nuking them from from the app store, you know, I 901 00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,200 Speaker 1: think that that would be a huge, huge mistake, and 902 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,160 Speaker 1: it would be a really raw exercise of monopolistic power 903 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,800 Speaker 1: that I think would merit a response from the United 904 00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:24,160 Speaker 1: States Congress. Yeah, DeSantis is smart enough to understand these 905 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,200 Speaker 1: issues and why they matter. And look, there are a 906 00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,400 Speaker 1: lot of politicians that aren't. I'm just gonna be honest 907 00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,839 Speaker 1: with you. There are a lot of politicians you may 908 00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,000 Speaker 1: like them, you may vote for them, that aren't smart 909 00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,560 Speaker 1: enough to understand what issues are at stake and which matter. 910 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,000 Speaker 1: I said, this is a multi decade struggle. It's a 911 00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,600 Speaker 1: story that is going to matter for decades. The monopolistic 912 00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,800 Speaker 1: power of Apple and Google, in particular to control huge 913 00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,880 Speaker 1: aspects of what we see and here and experience on 914 00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,239 Speaker 1: a day to day basis, not to mention buck, the 915 00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:02,560 Speaker 1: rapidly growing power of TikTok, which is a Chinese company 916 00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,120 Speaker 1: that may well be designed at some point to make 917 00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,600 Speaker 1: your kids hate America. I hate to bring it up. 918 00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I look, we're trying to learn how to 919 00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,360 Speaker 1: use TikTok on out kickbuck. We had a video that 920 00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,960 Speaker 1: went up the other day that did four hundred thousand 921 00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,160 Speaker 1: views and the amount of time basically that you can 922 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:22,400 Speaker 1: snap your fingers. I don't understand how the TikTok algorithm works, 923 00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:26,440 Speaker 1: but I know that my kids use TikTok like you 924 00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,560 Speaker 1: or me would use Google. Why do we always assume 925 00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,040 Speaker 1: clay this point? And maybe I break with some conservatives here. 926 00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,240 Speaker 1: Everyone's so worried about TikTok. Do they realize what Google 927 00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,880 Speaker 1: has on everybody? Yeah? And the amount of influence that 928 00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,839 Speaker 1: Google is run by libs. Google wants you know, they 929 00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,600 Speaker 1: want you eating bugs, masking off, getting your shots, shut up. 930 00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,960 Speaker 1: Use the fifty seven pronouns or whatever, and that's right here, 931 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,759 Speaker 1: and they control the Internet. So I just think it's 932 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,279 Speaker 1: fascinating that we oh TikTok. I think it's easier for 933 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,360 Speaker 1: people to talk the big game about how TikTok is 934 00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,360 Speaker 1: owned by China, so we should all be so scared. 935 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,480 Speaker 1: What about big tich here, Yeah, no doubt. And Google, 936 00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,680 Speaker 1: by the way, owns YouTube too. So your kids and 937 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,480 Speaker 1: grandkids are not spending very much time sitting down in 938 00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,960 Speaker 1: front of the television and turning it on. I'd like 939 00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,040 Speaker 1: to think that they're listening to this show, but guess what, 940 00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,239 Speaker 1: they're in school right now. I hope they're listening to 941 00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,320 Speaker 1: the podcast. I hope you're sharing some of the segments 942 00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,400 Speaker 1: that we discuss here and at least allowing them to 943 00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:24,799 Speaker 1: contemplate these discussions. But this is a monster battle, and 944 00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,279 Speaker 1: it's why I'm going to keep hammering this home to 945 00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,759 Speaker 1: all of you. Go sign up for Twitter, okay if 946 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,120 Speaker 1: you want to be involved in this battle. Elon Musk, 947 00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:36,719 Speaker 1: there's so many billionaires. What have I been saying on 948 00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:38,160 Speaker 1: this show for a long time? Buck, One of the 949 00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,799 Speaker 1: things that's super frustrating to me is the number of 950 00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,120 Speaker 1: people that are very wealthy and say I agree with 951 00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,920 Speaker 1: everything you say, but I can't say anything about it 952 00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,799 Speaker 1: because of my company, because of what might happen. Well, 953 00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,480 Speaker 1: that's how we end up here. So Elon is actually 954 00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,799 Speaker 1: brave enough to put his money where his mouth is 955 00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:02,120 Speaker 1: and to be fighting this battle to say, look, Elon says, hey, 956 00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:05,680 Speaker 1: one reason I want to send spaceships to the outer 957 00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:10,040 Speaker 1: space is because we have to be a multiplanetary planetary species. 958 00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,239 Speaker 1: Like he wants to die on Mars one day. 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