WEBVTT - Joe Skovron 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:08.559 It's the Son of a Butcher podcast, you know the drill. 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:10.799 We come to you every Wednesday. I'm your host, Claude Harmon. 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:13.440 This week's guest someone that I've wanted to get on 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:15.680 the pod for quite some time and we finally got 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:18.480 it done with the end of the year. Joe Scoverin, 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:22.040 longtime caddy for Ricky Fowler, but now caddie's for one 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:25.560 of the rising superstars on the PGA Tour. Tom Kim, 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:28.760 I think Joe s govern Listen, I'm biased. I had 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.680 a ringside seat to watch the work that Joe and 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:35.360 Ricky Fowler did for a number of years, and I 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:36.880 just think he's one of the best in the business. 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:40.239 I love the way he presents information. He was a 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:42.919 good player, he played college golf, he was an assistant 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:46.000 college golf coach. And to me, Joe Scoverin is kind 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:48.240 of if you look at the old school caddies from 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:52.760 the back in the day of the Nicholas, the Palmer, 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:54.800 the player. You look at those and then you kind 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:56.760 of looked at the way caddy and kind of evolved 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:59.960 in that kind of eighties and nineties, and you know, 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:03.440 to me, Joe scovern is the epitome of what a 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:07.640 modern caddy is. He was a good player, he played competitively, 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:11.679 he coached college golf, and he has a very good 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:14.560 understanding as to what is happening on the golf course, 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:16.679 and we kind of take a deep dive into some 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:19.520 of the things. There's some great clips on social where 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:22.400 Joe and Tom kim are talking through shots on the 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:24.680 golf course when we talk about that. So I'm super 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:28.399 excited for everyone to get to listen to Joe Scovern 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:36.039 my guest today. If there is a better caddy in 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:38.920 the professional game, I don't know who it is. Scoviy. 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:41.200 We've been trying to get this for a while. The 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:44.800 season's ended now, so good to talk to you. Hell 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:47.319 of a year for your boy, Tom kim Man. This 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:50.280 kid's a stud man. He's he's got something. What's it 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:53.080 been like the last couple of years caddy in for him? 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:56.360 I mean, obviously you spent so many years with Ricky Fowler, 0:01:56.920 --> 0:02:00.600 and then to get a young player at this stage 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:03.760 of his life and his career from a caddy standpoint, 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:05.320 it's got to be really exciting for you. 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:09.360 Yeah, it's been a lot of fun for me, you know, 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:12.840 after thirteen years with rick and so many good years 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:15.760 and the career ad and the relationship we had, getting 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:19.960 to start a new relationship with Tom get to know him, 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:23.600 you know, twenty years old when I started with him. 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:27.280 So just seeing that fire he's got, and you know 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:31.440 how Greeny was around the tour and learning so many things. 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:33.600 That's been fun for my role to kind of change 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:36.359 over the last year and we both really enjoyed it. 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:38.880 Joe, You've I mean, obviously you catty for Ricky Fowler. 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:40.440 He's been one of the best players in the game 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:43.639 for you know, a long time now. But because when 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:46.160 you caddy for a guy like Ricky Fowler, you guys 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:48.480 play with the best players in the world. So when 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:52.079 a guy like Tom Kim calls you and stuff, you've 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:54.280 just finished with Ricky, you're trying to figure out that 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:57.440 next phase of your life and your career. You can 0:02:57.520 --> 0:02:59.720 kind of given what you and Ricky did and given 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:02.400 the the caddy that everybody knows you are, you got 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:05.480 to pick and choose anyone that you want to canty for. 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:08.440 But there aren't a lot of great players to get 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:12.240 that call because they've all got great caddies as well. 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:15.440 So talk me through the process of how this came about. 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:17.320 Did his agent call you? Did he call you? 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:20.840 Yeah, it was a little bit different. I'd never experienced it. 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:22.680 You know, I'd worked for one guy the whole time 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:25.880 I've been out there, and you know, after Rick and 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:30.040 I split, I took the playoffs off. Took a little 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:34.480 bit of time, and yeah, Tom's agent reached out first 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:37.080 once he had heard the news. I've known Ben Harrison 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:39.000 for a long time and he reached out, and then 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:41.800 Tom reached out, and you know, I told him I 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:43.480 was taking a little bit of time, just kind of 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:45.400 figuring out what I was going to do, what was 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:49.560 going on, And we chatted a couple of times after that, 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:51.920 and we decided to do a four week trial, which 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:56.640 is pretty typical in the in the caddy player world 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:58.280 that you know, you're trying it out to make sure 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:01.080 it's a fit. And kind of knew that first week 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.160 at the President's Cup then it was going to be 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:06.280 a fit, and you know, kind of took off running. 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:08.360 He had a great President's Cup and then he won 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:11.880 the first individual event that I worked for him, and 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:14.480 it was kind of offul the races from there, and. 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:16.960 You don't get any You don't get a better start 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:19.080 than that, do you. I mean, first tournament is the 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:22.200 President's Cup. He plays like a stud. He gets a 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:26.200 big kind of moment in that kind of arena to 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:28.560 where he holds a pot and gets to kind of 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:31.080 you know, I thought that was kind of his coming 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:33.240 out party, right for everybody to kind of see this 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:38.400 really young kid who's just got this. He has this thing. Scotty. 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:42.360 I met him a couple of years ago, twenty two. 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:44.680 I met him in Saudi Arabia at the Saudi International 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.800 when he was still playing the Asian Tour, and you know, 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:49.640 he was bouncing around. He was a globe trotter. I 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:51.560 don't think a lot of people realize how much Tom 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:55.880 kind of bounced around all the various tours. And he 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:59.480 got paired with DJ the first two rounds. And it 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:03.839 wasn't necessarily scaviy his game that impressed me the most. 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:07.440 It was the way he kind of handled that situation 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:12.200 of being a relative nobody at that point. I mean, 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:14.239 he's I mean, you got to know a lot about 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:17.120 golf to know that the kids got potential. But I 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:20.480 just thought the way that he acted, and you know, 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.760 when we're on the golf course. We're not able as coaches. 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:25.800 We're not inside the rope, so we can't really see. 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:27.719 But I just was watching the way that he was 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:30.160 interacting with a guy like DJ, who he doesn't know. 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:33.320 I mean, DJ is one of the bona fide superstars 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:38.000 and competitive professional golf, and he didn't seem phased by 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:41.880 it at all. And I asked, you know, AJ afterwards 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:44.640 he was like, man, that kid's really cool. I really 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:49.200 like him, and so I immediately messaged Trevor Immlman and said, 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:51.320 Tom Kim needs to be on your radar for the 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:53.520 President's Cup and he was like, you know, I've heard 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:55.720 about him. He's like I mean, I was like, dude, 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:58.039 I just watched him play two days with DJ, and 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.800 this kid doesn't look like he's phased at all. I said, 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:02.600 you need to keep him on your radar. And then 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:06.719 obviously the stars align and he makes the President's Cup 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:11.520 team has a great finish. When you first caddied for him, 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:13.520 obviously you're cautying for him in a President's Cup, which 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:17.880 is different, but like, we're in the same boat, right, 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:21.600 I mean, we're hired guns. And when players ask us 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:24.559 to either coach them or canty for them. You kind 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:27.479 of have an idea of what you've seen and what 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:31.760 you know. So when you saw Tom up close and 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:34.400 spent some time with him early Scotvey, what did you 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:35.760 see and what did you like? 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:37.599 Yeah? 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:41.640 So, I mean the obvious stuff physically is how streitty 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:43.680 is it? How good of an iron player he was? 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:47.240 That got my attention right away. You know, the kid 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:51.040 can hit a two iron, you know, on a rope. 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:54.360 And then the thing personality wise, like you're talking about, 0:06:55.440 --> 0:07:00.400 he had a maturity level in a way competing that 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:02.160 I thought was rare in a twenty year old and 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:04.160 he you know, even though he's twenty, he is kind 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:07.120 of a veteran of professional golf, not the PGA tour, 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:09.039 but you know it'd been a bro for almost five 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:11.600 years at that point, travel that big world like you mentioned. 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:14.480 I mean the Asian those Asian players, they a lot 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:18.480 of them. They turn pro really really early, especially you 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:20.920 know the women do it and now we're starting to 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:23.120 see some of the guys do it as well. So 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:27.480 when you turn pro that early, you're in a professional 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:32.240 environment and an adult environment, but you're still young. And 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:34.640 we we say that a lot, right, I mean, We 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.240 look at young kids and we say, you know, he's 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:39.480 still a kid, He's still got a lot to learn. 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:44.560 But the stage there, it's I always think it's crazy. 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:46.800 And you and I have talked about this before, Joe. 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:49.720 I don't think people realize that the PGA Tour is 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:50.280 the NFL. 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:51.280 Right. 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:55.200 They don't realize that that's how good the players are 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:58.800 that play on the PGA Tour, Right. You know, Dustin 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:03.040 Johnson is Aaron Rodgers, right, Justin Thomas is James hard 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:06.960 The players that you were watching are the superstars of 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:10.480 the other sports. But because we all play golf, it 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:12.120 somewhat seems normalized. 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:12.400 Right. 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:15.800 You don't really think of it like the NFL. Right, 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:21.720 But pro golf is at the PGA Tour level, that's 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:23.520 the best of the best. So when you get a 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:26.640 young kid like Tom who he does have a childlike 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:31.120 wonder and kind of joy about him, but he is 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:34.360 kind of mature because he's been playing all over the 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:36.600 world and been playing professional golf for so long. 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:41.600 Yeah, exactly. And that was the thing, is maturity, his charisma. 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:43.720 That that was the thing that kind of caught me 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:48.040 off guard. Is you know, when the celebrations and all 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:50.880 that I didn't know. You know, I had barely met him, 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:52.679 so I didn't know that personality was in there, And 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.160 that was kind of fun to see that and see 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:57.800 how the crowd responded to him and how he was 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:01.120 kind of the he was kind of emotional leader of 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.840 that team and kind of got things going and you know, 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:05.120 stepped right into that role. 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:07.840 And yeah, just a combination of all those things. 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:10.240 I think how long he had played, but how new 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:13.160 the PGA Tour was to him, and the excitement level 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:15.760 and that he's coming off that win at Windham and 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:18.840 you know, got his tour card now and feel very 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:21.599 good about himself and the games good, just all of 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:25.320 it kind of mixing and having the President's Cup he did. 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:28.000 Definitely caught me a little off guard, and I wasn't 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:29.480 expecting that so quick. 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:33.679 We've seen this year lud big Olberg. I mean, comes 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:36.680 out of college, you played college golf. You know, I'm 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:38.920 a huge fan of the US college system as you are. 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:44.000 You were an assistant coach as well. But there are 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:49.120 players like Rory, like Tommy Fleetwood that don't go the 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:52.080 college route, that go the Tom Kim route. They turned 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:56.200 pro early. They travel all over the world. What do 0:09:56.240 --> 0:10:01.600 you think that benefit is to kid like Tom? And 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:06.720 how is what he's done different than what we're seeing. 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:09.280 You know, these these studs that are in PGA tour, 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:12.800 you now Gordon Sargent, but Ludvig Algwrig. I mean I've 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:14.840 been saying, and you and I have talked about this 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:17.400 as well. These kids come out and there is no fear. 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:22.760 They come out and they expect to win. And you've 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:26.079 been around long enough, Scotty. You know, I go back 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:28.440 to my dad when he played the tour. You had 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:30.280 to be an apprentice on tour, right, You had to 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:33.319 put your two three years in, You had to learn 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.200 how to win, You had to get in contention. And 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:39.400 I think in the last ten years really kind of 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:42.559 when Jordan came out of Texas, it was just I 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:45.120 don't give a shit. I'm good. I was good in college. 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:48.840 We saw that with Hovey, we saw that with Morikawa, 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:51.959 we saw that with Matt Wolfe. The college kids that 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:56.760 come out now are different thinkers. And Tom is part 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.600 of this other group of young players that have traveled 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:01.960 all over the world and turned pro early and played 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:05.679 in a bunch of different conditions. Do you think that 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:09.800 has been something that is offset the fact that he 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:11.520 didn't go to college. 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:13.680 Yeah, I mean, like you said, I agree with everything 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:16.400 you're saying about. These guys are so ready so quickly 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:18.320 now right, and you see him with the golf tournaments 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:20.760 they're winning and what they're doing. I think the one 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:24.560 difference with him is, you know, he's been making a 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:27.120 living playing golf since he was sixteen. He was used 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:29.560 to the pressure of that. He's lived in different countries, 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:32.200 He's traveled around the world. Like you said, you know, 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:34.880 you saw him in Saudi, he'd been to Dubai before 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:38.640 this last week when we went. He's been to all 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:41.280 these places. He's played in all these different countries. He's 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:43.960 played against grown men for all this time. So I 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:48.120 think for him that's where the difference is is we 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:50.240 get our guys so ready with how good the college 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:52.800 system is. But he was already used to playing against 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:56.160 grown men and playing for a living, and so I 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:59.959 think the travel, being able to handle all that stuff, 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:04.120 you know, different types of food, hotels, all these places, 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:07.160 it didn't really phase him because he'd been to all 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.720 these other countries. It's a lot easier to travel within 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.600 the US city to city than it is going from 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:16.120 country to country and different money, different languages, all these things, 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:17.439 and he'd already been through all that. 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:22.720 What do you feel like are some things that he 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:27.079 does really well that maybe everyone listening doesn't know? And 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:31.040 where do you feel like he can make improvements and 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:31.600 get better? 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.160 Yeah? He's first of all. 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:41.600 He's so he's so good about taking constructive criticism and 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:43.880 wanting to get better and wanting you to tell him, 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:45.480 like what do I need to get better at? He 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:47.400 kind of like begs you for it, like what do 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:48.920 you think wasn't there this week? 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:50.280 And sometimes I'm like, hey. 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:54.080 Man, it was awfully good, Like you're good, You're fine. 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:56.000 I mean he was asking me what I thought his 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:58.480 weakness was in Vegas after we won a few weeks ago, 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.000 and I'm like, hey, you want the let's just enjoy 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:04.880 this for a few days. But I think his biggest strength, 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:09.160 like rather than the physical skills, is his work ethic, 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:13.480 his ability to get better, and his ability to understand 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:16.160 how to get better, how to improve, how to put 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.880 the time in and not just wasting hours out there. 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:23.120 He's a very good practicer, gets a lot out of it, 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:26.320 and he's he brings a focus and an intensity like 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:30.760 every day brings a tournament intensity on Monday and Tuesday, 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:33.520 and when he's hitting balls, it's and you just don't 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:36.680 see that a lot, right guys kind of have they have, 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:40.000 you know, gears right like you kind of I'm gonna 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:41.560 go hit a few balls today, I'm gonna do this, 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:42.959 I'm gonna do that, and then you know, you turn 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:43.960 it into tournament gear. 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:46.160 He's tournament gear all the time. 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:49.000 And I think that's a great trait to have, and 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:53.320 he plays in that mindset every round that he plays. 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:55.959 You can get I mean you've been out there a 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:58.640 long time, Scotty. You can get as a rookie. You 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.160 can get lost on tour. You can start going to 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:03.960 the equipment trucks every week and try and stuff. You 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:07.640 can be cycling through caddies. You once you get to 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:10.760 the PGA tour, you have access to things that you 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:12.920 don't have access to anywhere else in the world. Right, 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:16.120 you have access to tour trucks every single day. You 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:18.920 can mess with your equipment seven days a week. You 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:22.880 can mess around with caddies. You can go get coaches, 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:25.760 you can go get players, and we have seen players 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:28.800 that you can see sometimes get out on tour and 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:31.880 they get a little bit lost there. They don't know 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.080 how to set a schedule. So I think what you 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:37.000 said there is really really important for a young rookie 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:40.080 to have the maturity of one. I want to get better, 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:45.000 I want to listen, but I am organized when I'm 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:47.440 at tournaments and I can get my work done. 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:51.760 Yeah. Absolutely. And he had a little lull in there where. 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:55.080 He was really frustrated and the patients was leaving, and 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:57.720 you know, we had a lot of talks about you know, hey, 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:02.120 this is this is golf works, right, and this is 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.480 what goes on and you're playing with the big boys 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:08.080 now and playing Vegas and that golf course and that 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:12.320 field compared to Memorial against that field on that golf course, 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:16.160 or two different things, right, And there's steps, and I 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:18.040 think he wanted to kind of fast forward through the 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:19.720 steps a little bit for a little while, and then 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:22.480 he took a step back, realized where it was at, 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:26.480 and then went had a great summer. And his answer 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:29.640 to everything is work harder, work harder, work harder, And 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:32.320 so he's not scared to put the work in. 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:37.480 I think I know the answer, but I'd be interested 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.000 to hear your version of it. 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There were some great 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:05.960 social clips, Joe, of some of the talks that you 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:08.600 guys went through, specifically out in Vegas that first week. 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:12.000 There was one that went, you know, viral basically on 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:17.480 social But I think what it illustrated was what it 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:21.560 is to be a great caddy at the tour level, 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:25.760 and that is why I I'm not joking. I think 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:28.600 you're easily one of the top two or three best 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:32.320 caddies on the planet. But that interaction that everybody got 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:35.520 to see where you're standing there, you guys, so set 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:36.600 that it was. I think it was on one of 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:38.359 the Was it on the par five where you were 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:41.359 trying to talk him into? So set that situation up. 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:44.199 If if everybody listening hasn't seen that, you can go 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:46.840 back in and find this on on social But talk 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:51.640 us through the situation. It was on the front nine, right, 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:53.520 was it? Nine? 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:55.119 Nine? Yeah? 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:58.919 Okay, so nine you guys are finishing, and talk us 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:02.560 through the situation of what you were trying to get across. 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:06.720 What were the numbers and what in your head, Joe 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:10.840 you're trying to say to the player in that moment. 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:12.480 So talk us through. Set us up. So nine's a 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:14.880 par five? How far is nine out in Vegas? 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:17.639 Yeah? I mean it's usually a driver. 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:20.119 I don't know the exact yardage on that hole, but 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:22.520 you know, the long hitters can get a mid iron 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:26.480 end sometimes you know, six seven iron if it's the 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:30.160 right wind. The shorter hitters we're going to be coming 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:31.840 in with three wood or a long iron, and then 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:34.040 it's all kind of depends on how firm it is 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:36.000 out there and what winds You've gotten everything there. 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:38.080 But he'd hit it just in the right ruff. 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:41.639 That ball sneak into the right ruff very easily, and 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:43.399 he had a jumper lie. 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:45.600 So it's like, how's this thing going to come out? 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:46.520 What's going to go on? 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:50.679