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Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher podcast, you know the drill.

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Speaker 1: We come to you every Wednesday. I'm your host, Claude Harmon.

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Speaker 1: This week's guest someone that I've wanted to get on

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Speaker 1: it done with the end of the year. Joe Scoverin,

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Speaker 1: longtime caddy for Ricky Fowler, but now caddie's for one

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Speaker 1: of the rising superstars on the PGA Tour. Tom Kim,

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Speaker 1: I think Joe s govern Listen, I'm biased. I had

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Speaker 1: a ringside seat to watch the work that Joe and

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Speaker 1: Ricky Fowler did for a number of years, and I

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Speaker 1: just think he's one of the best in the business.

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Speaker 1: I love the way he presents information. He was a

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Speaker 1: good player, he played college golf, he was an assistant

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Speaker 1: college golf coach. And to me, Joe Scoverin is kind

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Speaker 1: of if you look at the old school caddies from

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Speaker 1: the back in the day of the Nicholas, the Palmer,

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Speaker 1: the player. You look at those and then you kind

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Speaker 1: of looked at the way caddy and kind of evolved

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Speaker 1: in that kind of eighties and nineties, and you know,

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Speaker 1: to me, Joe scovern is the epitome of what a

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Speaker 1: modern caddy is. He was a good player, he played competitively,

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Speaker 1: he coached college golf, and he has a very good

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Speaker 1: understanding as to what is happening on the golf course,

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Speaker 1: and we kind of take a deep dive into some

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Speaker 1: of the things. There's some great clips on social where

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Speaker 1: Joe and Tom kim are talking through shots on the

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Speaker 1: golf course when we talk about that. So I'm super

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Speaker 1: excited for everyone to get to listen to Joe Scovern

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Speaker 1: my guest today. If there is a better caddy in

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Speaker 1: the professional game, I don't know who it is. Scoviy.

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Speaker 1: We've been trying to get this for a while. The

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Speaker 1: season's ended now, so good to talk to you. Hell

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Speaker 1: of a year for your boy, Tom kim Man. This

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Speaker 1: kid's a stud man. He's he's got something. What's it

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Speaker 1: been like the last couple of years caddy in for him?

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you spent so many years with Ricky Fowler,

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Speaker 1: and then to get a young player at this stage

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Speaker 1: of his life and his career from a caddy standpoint,

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Speaker 1: it's got to be really exciting for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a lot of fun for me, you know,

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Speaker 2: after thirteen years with rick and so many good years

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Speaker 2: and the career ad and the relationship we had, getting

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Speaker 2: to start a new relationship with Tom get to know him,

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Speaker 2: you know, twenty years old when I started with him.

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Speaker 2: So just seeing that fire he's got, and you know

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Speaker 2: how Greeny was around the tour and learning so many things.

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Speaker 2: That's been fun for my role to kind of change

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Speaker 2: over the last year and we both really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: Joe, You've I mean, obviously you catty for Ricky Fowler.

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Speaker 1: He's been one of the best players in the game

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Speaker 1: for you know, a long time now. But because when

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Speaker 1: you caddy for a guy like Ricky Fowler, you guys

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Speaker 1: play with the best players in the world. So when

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Speaker 1: a guy like Tom Kim calls you and stuff, you've

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Speaker 1: just finished with Ricky, you're trying to figure out that

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Speaker 1: next phase of your life and your career. You can

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Speaker 1: kind of given what you and Ricky did and given

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Speaker 1: the the caddy that everybody knows you are, you got

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Speaker 1: to pick and choose anyone that you want to canty for.

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Speaker 1: But there aren't a lot of great players to get

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Speaker 1: that call because they've all got great caddies as well.

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Speaker 1: So talk me through the process of how this came about.

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Speaker 1: Did his agent call you? Did he call you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a little bit different. I'd never experienced it.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'd worked for one guy the whole time

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Speaker 2: I've been out there, and you know, after Rick and

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Speaker 2: I split, I took the playoffs off. Took a little

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Speaker 2: bit of time, and yeah, Tom's agent reached out first

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Speaker 2: for a long time and he reached out, and then

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Speaker 2: Tom reached out, and you know, I told him I

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Speaker 2: was taking a little bit of time, just kind of

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Speaker 2: going on, And we chatted a couple of times after that,

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Speaker 2: and we decided to do a four week trial, which

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Speaker 2: that you know, you're trying it out to make sure

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Speaker 2: He had a great President's Cup and then he won

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Speaker 2: the first individual event that I worked for him, and

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Speaker 1: You don't get any You don't get a better start

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Speaker 1: I met him a couple of years ago, twenty two.

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Speaker 1: don't think a lot of people realize how much Tom

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Speaker 1: just thought the way that he acted, and you know,

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Speaker 1: like him, and so I immediately messaged Trevor Immlman and said,

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Speaker 1: obviously you're cautying for him in a President's Cup, which

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Speaker 1: is different, but like, we're in the same boat, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're hired guns. And when players ask us

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Speaker 2: So, I mean the obvious stuff physically is how streitty

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Speaker 2: That got my attention right away. You know, the kid

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Speaker 2: And then the thing personality wise, like you're talking about,

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Speaker 2: he had a maturity level in a way competing that

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Speaker 2: I thought was rare in a twenty year old and

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Speaker 2: he you know, even though he's twenty, he is kind

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Speaker 2: but you know it'd been a bro for almost five

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Speaker 2: years at that point, travel that big world like you mentioned.

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Speaker 1: I mean the Asian those Asian players, they a lot

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Speaker 1: of them. They turn pro really really early, especially you

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Speaker 1: see some of the guys do it as well. So

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Speaker 1: when you turn pro that early, you're in a professional

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Speaker 1: environment and an adult environment, but you're still young. And

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Speaker 1: we we say that a lot, right, I mean, We

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Speaker 1: But the stage there, it's I always think it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: And you and I have talked about this before, Joe.

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Speaker 1: I don't think people realize that the PGA Tour is

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: They don't realize that that's how good the players are

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Speaker 1: that play on the PGA Tour, Right. You know, Dustin

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Speaker 1: The players that you were watching are the superstars of

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Speaker 1: the other sports. But because we all play golf, it

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Speaker 1: somewhat seems normalized.

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Speaker 1: You don't really think of it like the NFL. Right,

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Speaker 1: But pro golf is at the PGA Tour level, that's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And that was the thing, is maturity, his charisma.

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Speaker 2: That that was the thing that kind of caught me

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Speaker 2: so I didn't know that personality was in there, And

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Speaker 2: that was kind of fun to see that and see

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Speaker 3: And yeah, just a combination of all those things.

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Speaker 2: I think how long he had played, but how new

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Speaker 2: the PGA Tour was to him, and the excitement level

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Speaker 2: good about himself and the games good, just all of

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Speaker 2: it kind of mixing and having the President's Cup he did.

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Speaker 2: Definitely caught me a little off guard, and I wasn't

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Speaker 1: We've seen this year lud big Olberg. I mean, comes

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Speaker 1: out of college, you played college golf. You know, I'm

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Speaker 1: a huge fan of the US college system as you are.

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Speaker 1: You were an assistant coach as well. But there are

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Speaker 1: players like Rory, like Tommy Fleetwood that don't go the

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Speaker 1: pro early. They travel all over the world. What do

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Speaker 1: you think that benefit is to kid like Tom? And

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Speaker 1: how is what he's done different than what we're seeing.

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Speaker 1: You know, these these studs that are in PGA tour,

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Speaker 1: you now Gordon Sargent, but Ludvig Algwrig. I mean I've

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Speaker 1: They come out and they expect to win. And you've

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Speaker 1: been around long enough, Scotty. You know, I go back

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Speaker 1: to my dad when he played the tour. You had

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Speaker 1: to be an apprentice on tour, right, You had to

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Speaker 1: put your two three years in, You had to learn

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Speaker 1: how to win, You had to get in contention. And

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Speaker 1: We saw that with Hovey, we saw that with Morikawa,

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Speaker 1: we saw that with Matt Wolfe. The college kids that

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Speaker 1: majority of the people that that make it to the

435
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Speaker 1: PGA Tour were really good amateurs. They were really good juniors,

436
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,360
Speaker 1: they were really good high school players, they were great

437
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,880
Speaker 1: in college. So by the time you get to the show,

438
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Speaker 1: everybody's good. And I think what you were trying to

439
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 1: talk to them about is something that I think a

440
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 1: lot of people don't think about. Is you're talking about

441
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Speaker 1: how can we take the trouble out of play. And

442
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Speaker 1: I think I'd love to get you to expand on this.

443
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Speaker 1: How much do you think of yourself as a mentor,

444
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Speaker 1: as someone that gives information. I mean, you've always struck

445
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 1: me as a type of caddy that you're not going

446
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: to full blown give your opinion constantly, but you're going

447
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 1: to give your opinion when first and foremost you feel

448
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 1: like you need to do it. But you're also going

449
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Speaker 1: to wait to give your opinion when you're asked for it,

450
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: because I think a lot of times it's just easy

451
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: to constantly just give your opinion, give your opinion, and

452
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 1: sometimes players can get overloaded with that, right, And so

453
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Speaker 1: how do you as a as a as a as

454
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Speaker 1: a caddy balance that between how much information do I

455
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Speaker 1: give the player? How much is it his decision? How

456
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Speaker 1: much is it our decision? Because obviously we've heard, you know,

457
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Speaker 1: we've seen Phil and Bones back in the day where

458
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Speaker 1: Phil i'membus that great one at TPC where Phil hit

459
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Speaker 1: this shot and he's like, I didn't want to tell

460
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Speaker 1: you what I was doing. Michael Greller and Jordan they

461
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: have their vetos to where they can veto clubs, but

462
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Speaker 1: what's been your style in what do you feel like

463
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Speaker 1: your role is from an information standpoint to give to

464
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Speaker 1: the player.

465
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Speaker 2: So what you said is exactly right, and it depends

466
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Speaker 2: on the player and what they want, what their personality is,

467
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Speaker 2: and how they're going to play their best. So I've

468
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Speaker 2: had two different roles, Like even with rick the role

469
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Speaker 2: kind of changed along the way as he matured as

470
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Speaker 2: a golfer, as he had played more of the golf courses,

471
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Speaker 2: as I'm matured as a caddy, and you kind of

472
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 2: find your way of doing things and maybe that changes

473
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Speaker 2: over the years. And then with Tom it's been a

474
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Speaker 2: very big change because I went from a guy that

475
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Speaker 2: had seen all the golf courses ten, twelve, thirteen times,

476
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Speaker 2: you know, understands tour conditions, you know Ricky's so he's

477
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Speaker 2: almost like a golf savant in the way that Ricky

478
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:49,360
Speaker 2: plays and he just understands lies and how to hit

479
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 2: shots and play that way. And then Tom comes in

480
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Speaker 2: and his style is a little bit more of a lab.

481
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Speaker 2: Like I kind of though it like he's playing in

482
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Speaker 2: a lab and like it's like I hit it here,

483
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 2: I hit it this far, this is what I do,

484
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 2: this is how it goes, but he hadn't seen these

485
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 2: conditions yet, he hadn't seen firmer conditions, he hadn't seen

486
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Speaker 2: tour style golf courses. And so my role has expanded

487
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Speaker 2: with that of like, hey, okay, this is where we're

488
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Speaker 2: trying to land at, this is what we're trying to do.

489
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Speaker 2: Let's kind of, you know, let's look at this and

490
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Speaker 2: go here. And so there's a little bit more of

491
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Speaker 2: a forceful nature because that's what he wants from me too,

492
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: and he gave me the reins to do that. So

493
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Speaker 2: there's a little bit more of that role now than

494
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Speaker 2: what I had with Rick, Whereas with Rick it was

495
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Speaker 2: more of a hey, ask my opinion. I'm gonna give it,

496
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Speaker 2: and I'm gonna give it very confidently, but I'm not

497
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Speaker 2: just going to go straight into that with him, like

498
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Speaker 2: he said. With Tom, there was a little bit more,

499
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Speaker 2: especially early on, going straight into that because that's that

500
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Speaker 2: was my role. And now even as Tom's matured, I

501
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Speaker 2: noticed a big difference at Vegas this year. You know,

502
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Speaker 2: I was talking him off pins like the pins that

503
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Speaker 2: you don't go at, the pins that we're tough. The

504
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 2: first time I had to talk him off those and

505
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 2: I had to work hard to talk him off of them.

506
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Speaker 3: This time.

507
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 2: He came down the stretch and he's like, we're going

508
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 2: twenty feet left right. Yep, I'm going twenty feet right right,

509
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: and like he was doing it himself.

510
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 3: He didn't need me to do it.

511
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Speaker 1: I don't think everyone listening Joe and We've had story.

512
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Speaker 1: I keep trying to bring these stories to the people listening,

513
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Speaker 1: But I don't think the average golfer realizes how many

514
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 1: pins around. You guys aren't even messing with. I think

515
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: everybody thinks that you get to professional golf, you're the

516
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 1: best players in the world. You have the most talent,

517
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: you have the most control, so you basically are just

518
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: firing at every flag from the jump right from Thursday,

519
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: it's just I hit it every flag, and I talk

520
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:52,239
Speaker 1: about what to you are green light pins, what to

521
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: you are kind of not green light pins, and what

522
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 1: to you are red light pins. We don't mess with

523
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 1: these peer in your head as a caddy. Now, obviously

524
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: it's player dependent because obviously the best players in the

525
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: world they can do anything right these guys. You know,

526
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: my dad used to say back in the day Mark Calcavecchia,

527
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 1: you could put a flag in the middle of the

528
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 1: ocean on a buoy in Calcavecia, be aim and write

529
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Speaker 1: at it right. So these guys have the talent and

530
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: the confidence and the skills to do it. But for you,

531
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: as a caddy over the years that you've been doing this,

532
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: what to you is green light? What to you is Okay,

533
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: we don't need to aim at this and we're just

534
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 1: gonna dump this. And then what is we don't even

535
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 1: mess with this?

536
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, So with me, I think it's a combination of things.

537
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,479
Speaker 2: I think like and you'll see a lot of these

538
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 2: stats guys are involved now with these players of letting

539
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 2: them kind of know, these are your strengths. This should

540
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 2: be the green light, this should be a yellow light,

541
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 2: you know, things like that. But then when you get

542
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 2: past the player strength and you're just looking at a pin,

543
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 2: like working if you were working for multiple players or

544
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 2: just any player, you're talking about it to me like

545
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 2: there's one experience like when I've seen bad things happen

546
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 2: to certain pins or see that you know, you always

547
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 2: kind of get a firm bounce, like there's a pin

548
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 2: in Vegas on the tenth, eleventh, the twelfth hole, the

549
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 2: par four down the hill that when they get it

550
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 2: back left, like you cannot try to land it over

551
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 2: the top of the ridge. You have to take a

552
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 2: chance with having a thirty foot pot from below that ridge,

553
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: and if it gets the hop over the ridge, great,

554
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 2: but if not, the reason that's basically red light is

555
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 2: over that green is no good.

556
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 3: It falls off. The up and down is tough. If

557
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 3: it gets anywhere right, it's going in the water.

558
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 2: And then if it's left, there's a bunker that's pitching

559
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: to a downslope that's very tough. So you're just trying

560
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: to there even if even with that hole you're coming

561
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 2: in with a nine iron or something like, unless those

562
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,959
Speaker 2: greens are really soft, which normally they're not. They're not

563
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 2: hop it's just you can't stop it. So you're playing

564
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: for like our perfect shot lands twenty five feet short,

565
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 2: and that's the one that gets there, and if it

566
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 2: lands thirty feet short, will take the pot. So that's

567
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 2: an example of like those kind of things, and some

568
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: of that's learned from experience of being to the courses

569
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 2: a lot. Other is just kind of feel like the

570
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 2: first time you saw the golf course, just where the

571
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: trouble is that the fact that you could make a

572
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: five or six quick and that this might not be

573
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: a birdie hole.

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00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,479
Speaker 3: Okay, we're leaning towards this.

575
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 2: And then obviously when you get to the five iron

576
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: on up, there's not a lot.

577
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 3: Of pins you're firing at right now.

578
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: If you go somewhere and it's rained and there's no

579
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 2: trouble around it, then and your guys feeling good, then

580
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: keep firing away. And those are the weeks that you'll

581
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: see these guys shoot twenty four, twenty nine, thirty under

582
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: because they're just firing away and there's not really any

583
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 2: consequences to it.

584
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,719
Speaker 1: So the running joke has always been that, you know,

585
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: caddies with the jockey, and the player is the horse.

586
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: So the balancing acts through the course of around Joe

587
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,959
Speaker 1: knowing your player, you know, because obviously I always say,

588
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: and I a friend of mine, you know, I said

589
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: this on a podcast and he was like, man, I

590
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: can't believe you said that. But professional golfers are like dogs.

591
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: They communicate with us nonverbally. There are times where they want.

592
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Speaker 4: To communicate, and then there are times where they don't

593
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 4: want to communicate right, and you have to kind of

594
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 4: as caddies and coaches, you kind of have to, like

595
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 4: you're looking at the body language, right, You're trying to because.

596
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: Sometimes they're not saying anything when you work with a

597
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: new player. And you guys got into the hunt not

598
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: only I mean you get thrown in the deep end

599
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: at the President's Cup, but then you guys get in

600
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: the hunt on Sunday at a tour event. You've been

601
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: in those situations a lot of times and you and

602
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: Rick have had great success in that situation. You've been

603
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: in that situation a lot of you know, tons of times,

604
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: and you guys haven't won, So you kind of know

605
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: what that cauldron, that kind of that field of battle is. Like,

606
00:30:55,240 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: what was Tom like getting into the hunt on a Sunday.

607
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: You know, you guys are two weeks into your relationship.

608
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: He's never you know, he's one yes and Windham before.

609
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: But it's a new relationship for you guys. So what

610
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: did you see down the stretch when the pressure got

611
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: the most early in this kind of new relationship that

612
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: you had that you went okay, I kind of like this.

613
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

614
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: So there was two shots at the President's Cup that

615
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 2: got my attention. There was a left pin on what

616
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 2: is normally seventeen at Quail Hollow. I can't remember what

617
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: number that was during the President's Cut, the tough part,

618
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 2: three down the hill and it was a left pin

619
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 2: and he just fired right at this thing with a

620
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: sixth iron, and this thing was never leaving the flag.

621
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: He was not scared of the water, he was not

622
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 2: scared of anything. And that one got my attention. And

623
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 2: then the two iron that everybody that watched that President's Cup,

624
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 2: you know, coming in there. Sam Burns in the next

625
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: group hit nine iron in and Tom hits this two

626
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 2: iron and I remember I actually I had seen enough

627
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 2: of him already that Trevor, you know, you know how

628
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 2: it gets all that for those of that aren't there

629
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: at the President's Cups Ryder Cups. The later your match,

630
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 2: the more there are guys hanging around. You got both

631
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: teams right there. So he's got Justin Thomas and all

632
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 2: these guys, you know, all the American studs right there,

633
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 2: and then there's a few guys from our team and

634
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: Trevor at his cart there, and I remember when he

635
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 2: went over it, I knew it was a really good

636
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 2: number for him, and I'd seen enough to irons and

637
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 2: I just smile at Trevor, and I knew it was

638
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: getting in there somewhere, and you could just feel it

639
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: in the kid already. And then the way he stepped

640
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 2: up there and made that pot and everything else, you

641
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 2: just knew he could handle it.

642
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 3: And then he liked this.

643
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: And so it was the same at Vegas. You could

644
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 2: feel that he liked it. Is he nervous yet? And

645
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: he's more of a Jordan speak. He's talking through it

646
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 2: the whole time, and he's chattering constantly. So the nice

647
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 2: thing about that is you know how he's feeling. So

648
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 2: my role is to kind of be the and man,

649
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: we're all good, like chill out and like some people

650
00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: will give me a hard time out of there, like man,

651
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: you kind of almost like sound like you don't care

652
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: when they're talking to him. But that's my role with him,

653
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 2: is that when he gets a little bit worked up

654
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: or whatever, I just try to simplify it and say,

655
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 2: this is all we're doing.

656
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 3: Just go ahead and do this, and so it's worked

657
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 3: out nicely.

658
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: Are you nervous in those situations, Joe, Because obviously, I

659
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: mean I get nervous, right, I mean I get nervous

660
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: on the range on Sundays. You know, when guys have

661
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: chances to win, you know, major championships, you get nervous

662
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: when they're not hitting it good. But one of the

663
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: things I've always marveled at what you do, and I

664
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: think it's a trait that all the great caddies have,

665
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: is your body language on the golf course is is

666
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: very very calming, right. I mean, you'll pull the bag over.

667
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: You kind of always have that thing to where you've

668
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: got one arm on the bag, you're leaning on it

669
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: the feeder. You know, you've got your one foot cross

670
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: across the other. It doesn't look like you're worried at all.

671
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: But when you do make these calls like we talked about,

672
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: you know, the ones that we're able to see on

673
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: social as the player, your caddy is going, hey, no, no, no,

674
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 1: this is the club. Now the player can Ultimately the

675
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: player can listen to you or not. But if the

676
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: player listens to you, that's a big I mean, that's

677
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: the closest we're going to get to being an offensive

678
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: coordinator and going okay, we're gonna call this play in

679
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: this situation. You being such a sports guy, such a

680
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: big football guy, but in a lot of ways, Joe.

681
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: That's that's an opportunity for you know, I see your

682
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: role with a new player like a Tom Kim, it's

683
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: a little bit like an offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, CEO,

684
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: head coach. They don't know what they don't know, right,

685
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: and they're hiring someone like you for your you know,

686
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: almost fifteen years of expertise with a guy like Ricky Fowler.

687
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: So there is that balancing act of Okay, I've just

688
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: made a big call here. But when you do that,

689
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: does it do the same thing that it does? Like

690
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: if a player comes in working on something and hey,

691
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: let's get the club wherever it is, and then they

692
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: go out and they have a really good week or

693
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: they play well or they win, it's validation for the

694
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: calls that a coach made. So when you make a

695
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: call like that, you guys are walking up. I mean

696
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: in your head as a caddy, are you going hell? Yeah?

697
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 3: Man?

698
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: I mean does that pump you up to see that?

699
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 3: Absolutely?

700
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 2: Because the worst thing, and I've experienced this, and the

701
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 2: worst thing is when you make a call that doesn't

702
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 2: work out and you feel like you've gotten the way

703
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 2: of your guy's success.

704
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 3: And so that's the worst thing.

705
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 2: As a caddy, And so there's a balance of when

706
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 2: you know it's right or when you let the guy go.

707
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 2: And it's always up to them and it's their gut

708
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 2: and their call because it's their career.

709
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 3: I'm just there to give the information.

710
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,959
Speaker 2: But when you do make the call and it's right, yeah,

711
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 2: it's just like a guy hitting a good golf shot.

712
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 3: You believe a little bit more. You're a little bit more.

713
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 2: Confident and you see you've got this, and the more

714
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 2: that happens, the better. It is just like reading putts right,

715
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 2: Like certain weeks they call you in and you get

716
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 2: the first four reads right now, you're not hesitating at all,

717
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 2: but you get a couple wrong, you might hesitate a

718
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 2: little bit. And that's part of I think, just like

719
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 2: being it's not as hard to do as it is

720
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 2: for a player, but it's part of being a good caddy,

721
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: just like a quarterback that throws an interception or a

722
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: corner that gets beat, Like can you come back and

723
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 2: give a non biased opinion and like not headge your

724
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 2: bet the next time and keep coming back and believing

725
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: yourself or are you going to get down on yourself

726
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 2: and kind of you know, oh man, I'll just stay

727
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: out of the way and let him do his own

728
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: thing here. So I think that is important that you

729
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 2: have to keep having confidence in yourself and that and

730
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 2: for me, that comes to your prep and like, the

731
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 2: more prep that I feel, or the more you know,

732
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 2: the more prepared I am, and the more homework I've

733
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: done and the more things I've studied up on, the

734
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: better I get to my skill.

735
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 3: That the more confident I'm gonna be.

736
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: You mentioned, does Tom ask you to read Putts?

737
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 3: We do read a lot of Putts together, so.

738
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: Because I mean I might be wrong on this, but

739
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: I'm just guessing rick didn't ask you to read a

740
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: lot because Rick's obviously such I mean, he's just such

741
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: a generational like feel putter. So that role of not

742
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: being asked to read Putts for you know, a long

743
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: time with Ricky and then coming into a new role

744
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: with Tom where he's going okay, because it's not like

745
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: for thirteen years you don't know how to read Putts, right,

746
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: I mean you played so, I mean you're a good

747
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: green reader. So in a new role, do you find

748
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: that fun? You know that Hey, I never got to

749
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: do this, I never really did this with Ricky because

750
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: Ricky didn't need me to do this. Now I'm kind

751
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: of getting called in and it's kind of a collaborative effort.

752
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 1: I've seen situations like that where you see players and

753
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: caddies they over that, right, they bond over that kind

754
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: of sharing of information, and then you know, I mean,

755
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: you go out. I mean, up until DJ and AJ

756
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: started doing aid point, DJ would never call Aj in

757
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: for any putts, and then on eighteen on Saturday night,

758
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: he'd call him in on one and we'd get off

759
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: the course and AJ would go, Bro. He didn't call me,

760
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: hasn't called me in in three months on a putt.

761
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: Now he wants to do it on a six foot

762
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: downhill left to right putt for par and now he

763
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: wants my input on it. He never wants my input.

764
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: Have you enjoyed having more input, you know, from a

765
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: from a putting standpoint? Has that been something that's been fun?

766
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: I just when you mentioned it, I was thinking about it.

767
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: You never did that with Ricky. Now you've got a

768
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: young player, he's calling you in. You're on courses he's

769
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: never seen before, so you can say, hey, listen, I

770
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: know this putt goes this direction. We've had this before,

771
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: that's got to be cool.

772
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been great. And with rick you're right, like

773
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 3: he's such a good putter.

774
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 2: We did have spurts where he'd ask me a lot

775
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 2: more and certain horses that he'd ask me more if

776
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 2: he wasn't seeing things or But the problem, you know,

777
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,479
Speaker 2: the hard part about that is when you get grape

778
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 2: putters like that that don't call you in very much,

779
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: you get called in on the hardest ones every round, right,

780
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 2: they don't they don't know what it's doing, and they're

781
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 2: trying to get some confirmation. So yeah, so it's definitely different.

782
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 2: But along the way, I kind of learned a couple

783
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 2: of graderating systems. I kept trying to become a better

784
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 2: dream reader for when Ricky did call me, and even

785
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 2: if it was some tournaments it was zero times, some

786
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 2: tournaments four times, other tournaments you know it was sixteen

787
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 2: holes straight, it just kind of depended. So with Tom

788
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: it's a lot more consistent of how often, and we

789
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: have a lot more talk about speed with Tom, you

790
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 2: know of you know going up back down is this

791
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 2: one quick you know downgrain that kind of thing. And

792
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: then there's certain style of greens that Tom seems to

793
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 2: see better than I do. And there's certain ones that

794
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 2: I kind of I kind of get those greens a

795
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 2: little bit more than him. Like he's a lot better

796
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 2: on grain than I am. He just just putt it

797
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 2: on grain and he gets it.

798
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: I would imagine playing so much in Asia that grainy greens,

799
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: greens that are that are slow. I would imagine he

800
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: didn't grow up playing on super fast bent that are

801
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 1: super hard.

802
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So he sees that well. And then

803
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 3: what he's done is he went and learned name point

804
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 3: this year.

805
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,959
Speaker 2: So he'll go do the feet and do all that

806
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 2: I learned name point, but I use my eyes with

807
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 2: it just so that we can communicate in one point zero,

808
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 2: one point five whatever. And then he'll, you know, he'll

809
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 2: say I got one point five in my feet and

810
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 2: I'll say, yeah, that looks right to me. Or I'll

811
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 2: say he'll say what do you got and I said,

812
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 2: I got one point oh, and he'll say, okay, I

813
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 2: got one point five.

814
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 3: And they'll kind of decide what he's gonna play.

815
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: And then ultimately, as you know, like most putts, you know,

816
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 2: if it's a cup out putt and foot by speed.

817
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 3: You could hit it half a cup.

818
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: Out and a cup and a half out with the

819
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 2: right speeds and still make the putt.

820
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 3: So that player's got to go to their field.

821
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 2: And how hard they're going to hit the pot, how

822
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 2: they feel about that pott and being comfortable over it.

823
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 2: So we're just giving them a you know, unless it's

824
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 2: an inside right versus outside right, you're really just giving

825
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,919
Speaker 2: them a guide and then they're going to go aim

826
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 2: it where they aim it, and you know, you're kind

827
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: of like a confirmation more than anything.

828
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: I think, what do you think, Joe, it takes to

829
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: be a great caddy at the tour level.

830
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 3: So I think I think preparation willing to learn.

831
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 2: I think those are two big keys, because of then

832
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 2: you're going to be ready to go. You're going to

833
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 2: have all the information your guy asks. But then I

834
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 2: think to take it a step from there, I think

835
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 2: if you've played competitive golf, it's an advantage because you

836
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 2: just understand how it feels.

837
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 3: You understand what's going through them.

838
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 2: Even if it was an AGGA event at that time

839
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 2: that felt like a tour event to you, you know,

840
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: or if it was a cityameter that was your major

841
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 2: at the time, right, So you still felt those feelings.

842
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: It's not on this level and you don't have the

843
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 2: skill set, but you get it and you can at

844
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 2: least relate to it a little bit. And then I

845
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 2: think on top of that, I think being able to

846
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 2: get along with players, being able to get along. There's

847
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,439
Speaker 2: a lot of time in between shots, there's a lot

848
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 2: of time together. There's a lot of you spend more

849
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: hours with your caddy or your player than.

850
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 3: You do your wife most of the time.

851
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 2: So being able to get along, have a personality that

852
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: gets along with that player, makes them comfortable do that.

853
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 2: I think those are kind of the things that can

854
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 2: kind of separate you a little bit so that they're

855
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 2: in a comfortable state and they trust you.

856
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 3: You know.

857
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: And then just being consistent, like beyond time, like do

858
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 2: things the right way, show up the work, be ready

859
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 2: to go, be positive, just all the little things that

860
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: are going to make you successful in life. You can

861
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 2: figure out how to be a good caddy out here.

862
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: You said prep work, Scovey, what's the prep work for

863
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: everyone listening that you think as a caddy, what is

864
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: the prep work? Because a lot of people think that

865
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: a tour caddy to just get to the golf course,

866
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: show up, carry the bag, leave. What for you is

867
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: your prep and what in your prep are you trying

868
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 1: to get done? And what advantage are you trying to

869
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: gain by the prep work that you're trying to do.

870
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so early on I had to spend a ton

871
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 2: of time catching up on the golf courses. You know,

872
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: I came out with Rick, we're both out there the

873
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 2: first year. Man, I got to learn all these golf courses.

874
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 2: So there was a lot of time on Mondays just

875
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: learning the golf courses.

876
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: And Scovey when you say Scovey, when you say you're

877
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: trying to learn the golf courses, what are you trying

878
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 1: to learn from these golf courses as a caddy?

879
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, So one I would always start with, Okay, where

880
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: do we need to try to hit this off this tea?

881
00:43:58,719 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 3: Is this a driver hole?

882
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 2: Is it's a whole that we're trying to keep some

883
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 2: hazard out of play? Are we trying to hit to

884
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 2: the widest part of the fairway? What are we trying

885
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 2: to do? And then you're talking about that in practice reunds, right, like,

886
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 2: what's our strategy going to be on this all? Then

887
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: probably The most important part is pins and knowing which

888
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: pins are gopins, which pins are not, where you have

889
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: to land at certain pins, where the leave is all

890
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 2: those kind of things, so you know, and the leaves

891
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 2: around those greens right where's trouble, where's not?

892
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 3: All that kind of stuff.

893
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 2: And then you have things like awkward layups on par

894
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 2: fives or you know, something of that nature that you

895
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: might have to get some extra numbers, get something from

896
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 2: a weird angle that might happen that week, so that

897
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 2: you're ready when that happens during the event.

898
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 3: Mark Long does such a.

899
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 2: Good job with the yardage books now that you don't

900
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 2: have to do a lot of the stuff you had

901
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 2: to do before. So for me, most of my time

902
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: now if it's not a new course to me, it's

903
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 2: just refreshing my memory on leaves, the pins, how these

904
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: play what we're hitting off the team, where we're trying

905
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 2: to hit it. And then you're looking at the rough,

906
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 2: the bunkers, Which bunkers are playable, which ones are, what

907
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 2: rough's bad?

908
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 3: What isn't is? You know, are we able to get

909
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 3: aggressive on this all? Are we not?

910
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 2: And just wanting to be as familiar with the golf

911
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 2: course as you can, you know, lines anything like that,

912
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 2: so that your player asks you a question you can

913
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 2: answer it.

914
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's got to be I mean to me, that's

915
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:27,919
Speaker 1: got to be the goal.

916
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 3: Right.

917
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: You don't ever want to be out there and have

918
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: the player ask you a number or shot that you

919
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 1: are like uh, because they can pick up on that

920
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: quick right, especially especially I would imagine having never really

921
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: been in that situation, but I would imagine especially down

922
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 1: down the stretch and in the hunt. You get in

923
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: the hunt, the player can figure out if you're scared

924
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: quick right as a caddy, and that believe it or not.

925
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: And and for people listening, that does happen, right. It

926
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: is not easy to get I don't think people realize

927
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: when you get on the back nine on Sunday and

928
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: you're one of the five to six seven guys that

929
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 1: have a chance to win the golf tournament, the air

930
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 1: gets thin. It's it's not easy. And I think having

931
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 1: confidence in being prepared makes the player know that you've

932
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: done all the work and that there isn't anything that

933
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: you guys are going to get thrown that you haven't

934
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: kind of known or figured would happen.

935
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, and the thing that happens, it speeds.

936
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 3: Up a lot out there. That's what I noticed the

937
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 3: first kick fast that we got a contention. It speeds up.

938
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 2: And so like the more prep you've done, the more things,

939
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: the more the more you know about the golf, Cresenta,

940
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 2: you can kind of slow things down and then help

941
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 2: the player slow things down and talk in that manner

942
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: rather than being in a rush to get a number,

943
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 2: get something you don't know for sure, and then that

944
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,240
Speaker 2: fo mistakes can happen. And to me, we're not hitting

945
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: any of the shots. We don't have that pressure that

946
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 2: is so hard to do. So for me, it's I

947
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 2: need to provide the right info and I need to

948
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 2: be in a state of mind that I would want

949
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 2: somebody next to being to be in that they're calm, confident,

950
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 2: you know, like a coach or somebody that just gives

951
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 2: off the right vibe to their team. You don't ever

952
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: want to be doing the opposite of that and bringing

953
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 2: your player down. If you should always be the one

954
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: that's bringing your player up, making him feel more comfortable

955
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 2: and making him as comfortable as you can in that.

956
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: Situation, Scotty, I want to go through players and caddies

957
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: and talk to you about both of them, Scotty Scheffler

958
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 1: and Teddy Scott an amazing partnership. Teddy, who caddied long

959
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: time for Bubba Watson, You and Rick spent a lot

960
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: of time around him. What do you think makes Teddy

961
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: Scott a great caddy?

962
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 3: I mean, I thought Teddy.

963
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 2: I thought Teddy Scott was a great caddy for a

964
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 2: long time. I mean caddying for Bubba and the fact

965
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 2: that he could hit four different clubs and how many

966
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 2: different flights for each shot, and just how fiel orange

967
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 2: he was and being able to kind of manage that

968
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 2: and have the success that they had. I thought how

969
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 2: Teddy did that was fantastic. And then we've spent a

970
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 2: lot of time with Teddy and Scotty over this last

971
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 2: year because Scotty and Tom are tight, and I just

972
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 2: think Teddy's experience and his maturity is what he's brought

973
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 2: to Scott Scotty and I think there's a big trust there,

974
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 2: there's a great relationship there. And obviously Teddy's a really

975
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 2: good player. He worked you know, he's won multiple August Does.

976
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 2: He worked for one of the greatest players on the planet,

977
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: and so you can just see why they've had the

978
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: success they've had, you know, combining how good Scotty is

979
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 2: with Teddy on the bag.

980
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: What have you seen over the last couple of years

981
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: of Scotty Scheffler's game that have just been I mean,

982
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: he is he has been so impressive. And obviously I

983
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: haven't seen him play a lot up close in the

984
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: last couple of years, so all my guys went to

985
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: live but he played a bunch of practice rounds at

986
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup with Brooks, and even though they didn't

987
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: necessarily play great, I just I'm I am so impressed

988
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: by the way Scotty Scheffler plays golf.

989
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean, he hits it so good all

990
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: the time.

991
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 3: I mean it's like, I mean he.

992
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 2: Played practice though he just cheaps doing it over and

993
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 2: over and over. And then the thing that's always separated

994
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 2: Scotty to me, and you see it in pretty much

995
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 2: every great you hear about that like dominated the game

996
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 2: or went on big runs. You know, Jack Tiger, those

997
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 2: kind of guys they hit long iron so high and

998
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: they bring it in so high and solid.

999
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: It's the Tiger back in the day. You know, the

1000
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: four iron that's coming in like a nine iron.

1001
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 3: And it's such a big deal when he gets to

1002
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 3: these levels, Like everybody talks about how far does the

1003
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 3: guy hit?

1004
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 2: How far is it? And I'm like, well, how high

1005
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 2: is he launching it? And how's that thing carrying? And

1006
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 2: how high does he hit long irons? Because it just

1007
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 2: changes golf courses. You can get to pins that other

1008
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 2: people can't get to fins.

1009
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 1: You can't win major championships unless you can hit long

1010
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: irons high. It's very difficult to win majors and a

1011
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: bunch of them if you can't flight both up and

1012
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: down the high and the low. That five iron, that

1013
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: four iron, that three iron. You've got to have that control.

1014
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: Rory McElroy and Harry Diamond. I think Harry out of

1015
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: I think Harry and AJ out of all the caddies

1016
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: in professional golf, kind of get the most looked over.

1017
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: As you know, their players are so great. Anybody could

1018
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: caddy for these guys. You've been out a lot with

1019
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: Harry Diamond. It's easy when when Rory plays poorly, a

1020
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: lot of people pile on the you know, fire Harry

1021
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: Diamond bandwagon, which I think is total bullshit. I like

1022
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: Harry Diamond's a very good caddy. What do you like

1023
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: about Harry in the way that he caddies, because you've

1024
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: been out with those guys a lot.

1025
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Harry's a good player himself. That's kind

1026
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 2: of a common theme with a lot of these guys.

1027
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 2: I think he understands Rory really well. He's calm, he's

1028
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 2: never gets kind of worked up the situation, never looks like,

1029
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 2: you know, Harry's just going out there and he's gotting

1030
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 2: it and he's doing his thing, and he's like, hey,

1031
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 2: we're playing golf.

1032
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 3: This is what we do.

1033
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 2: And then you saw it when they won Quail Hollow whatever.

1034
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 3: Year that was. Was that a couple of years ago?

1035
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, when when Roy hit it left.

1036
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 2: And he was calm enough to suggest the drop that

1037
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 2: they could take that. And I don't remember the exact situation,

1038
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 2: but I remember thinking to myself, man, and that big

1039
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 2: of a moment to be that's a huge health the idea,

1040
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 2: and that's your job to be calm enough. But a

1041
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 2: lot of guys aren't gonna and they're going to miss

1042
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 2: that or whatever. And the fact that he suggested all

1043
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: that and that they ended up finishing off the golf

1044
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 2: tournament when things could have gone awry there.

1045
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 3: That impressed me.

1046
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned that that I don't think people realize

1047
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: I I like him down the stretch in tournament golf,

1048
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: like the red zone offense and professional football. It's the

1049
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: two minute drill. How many time outs you had, And

1050
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: you said, when you get in the hunt, things can

1051
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: start moving really really fast. Right, So Rory snap hooks

1052
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: one off the tee. He's on a downslope, he's not

1053
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 1: in the in the water, but he's got to bend

1054
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: down for Harry in that situation, not only to make

1055
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: that call, but to be thinking so clearly Joe in

1056
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: that situation, to go, hey, we could take a drop here,

1057
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: because a lot of times you're so focused, you're on

1058
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: the side hill, you're trying to get a number. You know,

1059
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 1: it's a difficult situation. There's a you know, down the stretch,

1060
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: you get to the eighteenth hole, you're in the last group.

1061
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: Now all the cameras are there, Now everybody's inside the ropes.

1062
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: That only adds to the fact that it feels like

1063
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 1: it's it's moving faster when you look at Rory's game.

1064
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: If you take something from Rory's game and give it

1065
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: to yourself as a player, what would you take?

1066
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 3: I'm I said that to him this week. I said

1067
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 3: that to him this year at Travelers.

1068
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 2: We were playing with him and he hit one on

1069
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 2: the ninth, just up over everything.

1070
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 3: And it's the freeest motion, the way he.

1071
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 2: Walks into the ball and the way that he just

1072
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 2: swings it so free, like he has no cares in

1073
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 2: the world. Is just as a golfer growing up playing

1074
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 2: and you know, you get tight in your guide in it.

1075
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 2: There's no guide in him. And I just said to

1076
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,479
Speaker 2: I was like, man, if I could have one golf wish,

1077
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 2: I'd just like to walk around to your body and

1078
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 2: hit drivers. You know.

1079
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 3: It's it's incredible how free he is with a driver.

1080
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 3: It's it's amazing.

1081
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: And he looks, you know, very much like and I've

1082
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 1: said this before, Ben Crenshaw looks like he was born

1083
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: with a putter in his hand. Sebby looks like he

1084
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: was born with a wedge in his hand. Rory's one

1085
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: of those guys in the Adam Scott Tiger vane to

1086
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: where they look like they were born with the driver

1087
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: in their hand. They rarely, I mean Tiger maybe towards

1088
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 1: the end. But Tiger in the day, they never look

1089
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: like they're off balance. I mean, for as fast and

1090
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 1: as hard as Rory McElroy's hitting his driver, I marvel

1091
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,280
Speaker 1: at he It's like he's a gymnast, he's a figure skater.

1092
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,720
Speaker 1: He can crank one three point thirty, launch it over

1093
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 1: all the trees, and it never looks like he's even

1094
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 1: gonna like lose his balance. It's it's unbelievable how good

1095
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: it is.

1096
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 2: And he just looks like he enjoys it so much. Oh,

1097
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 2: he looks like, here I go, I get to show everybody.

1098
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 3: Here we go.

1099
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna hit this three thirty down the pipe, you know,

1100
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 2: And it's just he looks exciting, like when he goes

1101
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 2: into the driver.

1102
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: John Rahm and Adam Hayes. Adam, I think Adam doesn't

1103
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: get nearly enough credit for. I mean, it's easy to

1104
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: jump to bones, to jump to all these other people,

1105
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: but Adam Hayes is as good a caddy as there

1106
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:50,439
Speaker 1: is in the game.

1107
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's another one that you've heard John talk

1108
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 2: about it, Like, even besides the caddying part of it,

1109
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,919
Speaker 2: what Adam's done for him person and his trust level

1110
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 2: with him and his maturity. And you know, that's another

1111
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 2: thing that people don't realize that when you get into

1112
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 2: the Superstar world, man, there's a lot coming at you,

1113
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 2: there's a lot going on, and when you have a

1114
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 2: caddy that you don't have to worry about, that you

1115
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 2: rely on when you need to.

1116
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 3: Talk to him, that hazard back, that never.

1117
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 2: Causes an issue for you, that only aids what you're

1118
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 2: trying to do and makes your life easier. I think

1119
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 2: there's a big value in that, and especially the bigger

1120
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 2: you get with all the distractions and things that can happen.

1121
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,280
Speaker 2: And John's talked about it, and you've heard him say

1122
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 2: how much he values Adam, and not just as a

1123
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 2: caddy but as a person. And I think that's you know,

1124
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 2: their relationship speaks for itself with how much they'd want.

1125
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: What is the difference, would you say, Joe? I mean,

1126
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: obviously you've never caddied for someone that's struggling to keep

1127
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: their card and stuff, But what would you Because I

1128
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: think it was really interesting that you mentioned that once

1129
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 1: you get into the superstar world of caddy in right,

1130
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: we're talking like people that don't have chances to win majors,

1131
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: people that are expected to win every major they play in, Right,

1132
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: that's a big That is a big, big jump from

1133
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: trying to keep your card not being in all the

1134
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:19,280
Speaker 1: big tournaments and stuff. So what do you think once

1135
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: you get into the superstar realm of caddyan for someone

1136
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: that is winning majors, is expected to win, what is

1137
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 1: the difference, right, because you would think it would be

1138
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: the same, but there has to be a I mean,

1139
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a difference between caddy and for

1140
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 1: someone that's you know, never won before and is trying

1141
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,919
Speaker 1: to you know, make it and get their first win

1142
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: versus the guys that I caddy or are coaching, Brooks

1143
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: and DJ. There's a big difference between that. I feel like,

1144
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: I know with it. What do you feel like the

1145
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: difference is when you get a superstar bag versus a

1146
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:55,439
Speaker 1: regular bag.

1147
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, they're just so good, right, So

1148
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 2: that helps, right, like to catch that is only going

1149
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 2: to be as good as the player. So first of all,

1150
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 2: you're working for a guy that's that good, right, So

1151
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 2: that's amazing. But I think the little things that people

1152
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 2: don't realize and I got to experience it with Rick,

1153
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 2: is the amount of people trying to get autographs, do

1154
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 2: things like that to like helping them manage that, like

1155
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 2: helping them manage their time on the range. You have

1156
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 2: to say no to some people sometimes so that they

1157
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 2: don't come bother them in the middle of something. Picking

1158
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 2: and choosing those times to say no. You know, the

1159
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 2: bigger crowds that you're dealing with out on the golf course.

1160
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 2: You know, you play with tiger Woods. That's a different

1161
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 2: crowd walking around and now you're holding people up, you're

1162
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 2: moving them, you're trying to keep things calm, you're trying

1163
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 2: to do all those kind of things. So it just

1164
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 2: it just gives you some outside elements. And then I

1165
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 2: think too that these guys they have a brand, right,

1166
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 2: and so you're part of that brand. And so your

1167
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 2: job isn't to necessarily be seen or heard or any

1168
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 2: of those kind of things. It's don't cause any issues

1169
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 2: to the brand, don't and protect your problem, protect the brand,

1170
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 2: protect your guy, like and so that's part of your

1171
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 2: job as well. And like, I think that that's an

1172
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 2: underrated thing. It's pretty easy to learn and get used

1173
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 2: to it, but all those outside factors you don't just

1174
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 2: get to do whatever you want when you're out there

1175
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 2: and everything else, and you know, you need to be

1176
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 2: presented a certain way, and everybody's going to be different

1177
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 2: how they want their guy to kind of fit into that.

1178
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 2: But you want to fit into what your guy wants

1179
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 2: to be out there.

1180
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I don't. I mean when you look at

1181
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: John Ram's game, and I say this all the time,

1182
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: I don't know how the guy doesn't win every week.

1183
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,919
Speaker 1: I mean, he is that good, right, So when you

1184
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: look at his game, and I mean, you want to

1185
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: take everything from John Ram's game, right, you want to

1186
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,959
Speaker 1: take it all. But what do you look at having

1187
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: seen it up close, having seen it under the gun,

1188
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: that you look at it and go, man, I'd give

1189
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: anything to have that.

1190
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think just in general, I've always been a

1191
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 2: guy that gets tied up in mechanics. And he looks

1192
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 2: like he's never tied up in mechanics. He's just playing

1193
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 2: golf and he creates this power and he hits shots

1194
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 2: and he does all these things and it's so impressive

1195
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 2: to watch how easy he makes it look, you know,

1196
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 2: and it just never looks like he's worried about his

1197
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 2: golf swing.

1198
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 3: He's just worried about playing golf, and I envy that.

1199
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,959
Speaker 3: I think that that's the thing that I would take

1200
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 3: from him, is how he's able to do that.

1201
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: You know, I've never thought about this, but I say

1202
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: this all the time about Rick, right. I mean, if

1203
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: Rick misses a six seven eight footerer, he doesn't go

1204
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: to the side of the putting green and work on

1205
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: a stroke. He knows he's a good putter. He'll look

1206
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: at you and go, hey, we'll get the next one.

1207
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: Now that you mention it. I don't ever see John

1208
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: Rahm making practice wings. I never see him over while

1209
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: he's waiting on a shot, working on a move. It's

1210
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: fascinating that you mentioned that, but you're right. Ever see

1211
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: John Rahm working on shadow boxing mechanics on the golf course.

1212
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 2: Ever, Yeah, it's amazing. And the way he hits it

1213
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 2: and the way he does things. I mean, he's so powerful,

1214
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 2: it's so straight, he's got the different flights, and it

1215
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 2: just looks like he just says, Oh, I'm gonna draw

1216
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 2: this one, draw it. Oh I'm gonna cut this one.

1217
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 2: That's how it looks from the outside. I don't know

1218
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 2: if that's what he's thinking, but that's what I envy

1219
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 2: the most.

1220
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: You mentioned you look at John Rahm and he makes

1221
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: the game look easy. Towards the end of your run

1222
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: with Ricky Fowler, Ricky was going through it. I mean

1223
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: he had a really tough to three year stretch. Everybody's

1224
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 1: you know, everybody's got answers when you're going through that.

1225
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: But when you are going through that, Joe as a

1226
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: player and as a caddy and as a team, everybody

1227
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: sees the great shots you guys hit, right, but it

1228
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:58,959
Speaker 1: can get dark out there on the golf course when

1229
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: what you're trying to work on is working it Because

1230
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: everything that work Ricky was working on with John Tillery

1231
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,479
Speaker 1: obviously was working in practice. Otherwise he wouldn't have kept

1232
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: to do that. So this thing that the fans and

1233
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: other people here, Hey, I'm on the right track. What

1234
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:22,439
Speaker 1: wasn't going right in that stretch? And it's not it's

1235
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: not specific to rick right because we see it, but

1236
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: that thing when players struggle. Jt went through this last year. Right,

1237
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: You're not gonna find anybody that really is going to

1238
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 1: work harder than justin Thomas and grind it out. Jordan

1239
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: has gone through this, right, Where when when things aren't

1240
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: going well, what do you feel like it is because

1241
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: you're practicing something and then on the golf course it's

1242
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: not working out. And you and I talked a lot

1243
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: over the last three years. You're like, dude, it's just

1244
01:01:54,840 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: we're so close. But sometimes you're so close and you

1245
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: can be so far away. What is that like when

1246
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: you're when you're when the team is struggling.

1247
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, so with us, it was just kind of like

1248
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:14,439
Speaker 2: an avalanche of everything right. And it's like you're trying

1249
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 2: to make some changes with the golf swing. You're not

1250
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 2: quite taking it to the golf course. You know, the

1251
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 2: fields are changing on you. You're trying to figure it out.

1252
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 2: You can't kind of get it figured out, and then

1253
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 2: the putter goes cold, and it's like, wait, that always

1254
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 2: cleaned everything up. So now if you have a stretch

1255
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 2: of five holes to where you kind of hit it scratch,

1256
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:36,919
Speaker 2: you hit it bad. You normally walk out of those

1257
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 2: five holes even par, maybe one over, sometimes one under.

1258
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 2: Now you're walking out of those holes three or four over,

1259
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 2: and now, oh man, I got to bring this thing back.

1260
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 2: You know, here comes a miscut. You know, all the

1261
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 2: things that go through your thought I'm not saying those

1262
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 2: were going through my head, but a player, that's what's

1263
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 2: going through their head, right like there, and so, now

1264
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 2: instead of playing those holes even par, and then you

1265
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 2: just then start hitting it pretty good and all of

1266
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 2: a sudden you turn that round into sixty eight. Now

1267
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 2: you have to play great the rest of the way

1268
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 2: to turn that round into seventy two or seventy three,

1269
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 2: which isn't going to make many cuts out here, and

1270
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 2: so and then you it just snowballs. And then when

1271
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 2: you're a big name, you know, like Jordan or Justin

1272
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 2: or Ricky, you got to go answer the questions every day.

1273
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 2: So you're trying to forget about it, and everybody's asking

1274
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 2: you what's wrong with you every single day, and you've

1275
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 2: got to go and there's nothing wrong with me. I'm

1276
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 2: trying to figure this out, like just give me some time,

1277
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 2: or hey, there's something wrong right now, but it'll be fine.

1278
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 2: And they're asking you a question every question, and they're

1279
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 2: just reminding you how bad you're.

1280
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 3: Playing, How bad are you're playing? You know what's going wrong?

1281
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 2: This is it and you got to defend yourself, defend

1282
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 2: your instructor, defend this, defend that and I think it

1283
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 2: just gets tough.

1284
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 3: And so.

1285
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 2: I think Rick would probably say it too. I don't

1286
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 2: want to speak for him, but I think going through

1287
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 2: those three years when we were going through it, I said,

1288
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 2: you're going to be better at for this because of this,

1289
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 2: because you've never gone through this. And I know I'm

1290
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 2: better because of it because we kind of had a

1291
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 2: nice ride for ten years, you know. I mean, there

1292
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 2: wasn't ups and downs. He's consistent, and you know, there

1293
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 2: were hard times. We had hard losses and stuff, but

1294
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 2: we didn't have like hard times and like we got

1295
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 2: the experience like we're not getting our card back. He

1296
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 2: had his status, but like as far as like where

1297
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 2: we were finishing on the FedEx Cup and seeing that

1298
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 2: kind of tumble and like you know, squeaking into the

1299
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 2: playoffs or not making the playoffs and those kind of things,

1300
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 2: I think, and he had to do it in front

1301
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 2: of the whole world, you know. And so for me,

1302
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 2: it was we were always just trying to figure it out.

1303
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 2: And it was like there was a lot of phone calls,

1304
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 2: there's talks within the team, there's trying to figure it out.

1305
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 3: How do we help this, how do we do this?

1306
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 2: And You're just trying to support rick and trying to

1307
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 2: turn it around, and you know, it gets you start

1308
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 2: feeling helpless at a certain point and you start wondering, like, well,

1309
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 2: do I need to change the way I'm doing something?

1310
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 3: Do I need to do this? Because you're only trying

1311
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 3: to help.

1312
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 2: And that's ultimately what happened with us is it just

1313
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 2: needed to go in separate ways, right, And he's had

1314
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 2: success and I've had success since, and I couldn't be

1315
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 2: happier for him. I mean I'd cheer it up, you know,

1316
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 2: watching him win. It was so cool and so and

1317
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 2: like Tom pulled for him, you know, like it was

1318
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 2: that kind of relationship and I room with his caddie

1319
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 2: now and so like. But it needed to happen, and

1320
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 2: that's what he needed to kind of, you know that

1321
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 2: along with a couple other changes he made and boom,

1322
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 2: look at how he played.

1323
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 3: And so it was great to see him back.

1324
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 2: And it's it's a hard thing, but I think Rick

1325
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 2: will be a better person and better golfer because of it.

1326
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 1: You mentioned you thought Ricky would learn something through those

1327
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 1: three years as a player. What did you learn specifically

1328
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: as a caddie that you feel like moving forward for

1329
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: the next phase of your career, Scotty, that you can go, Okay,

1330
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: I went through this with Rick. This is what I learned,

1331
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 1: and this is what I can take to the next

1332
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: phase of my professional career.

1333
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1334
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 2: I think number one is I'm a guy that's always like,

1335
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 2: it's never enough, Let's get better. It's never enough, let's

1336
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 2: get better. That like, even though I'm not an athlete

1337
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 2: and I didn't I wasn't good enough to make it

1338
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 2: that way. My mind works more that way with life,

1339
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 2: you know, more of a Tom Brady. It's like, Okay,

1340
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 2: we did that. Now let's move on to this, and

1341
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 2: let's keep getting better and better. And I think I

1342
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 2: learned that sometimes you just have to be where you're

1343
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 2: at and be okay with it, and you don't always

1344
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 2: have to keep trying to take these next things because

1345
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 2: they might just happen, or they might happen in a

1346
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 2: different way, and everybody goes about them a different way.

1347
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 2: And I think that you know, your expectation when you

1348
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 2: work for Rick for that long is always like, Okay,

1349
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 2: how do we get over the hume, how.

1350
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 3: Do we win more? How do we do this? How

1351
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 3: do we do that?

1352
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 2: And you're always trying to do these things and maybe

1353
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 2: sometimes you just need to let it sit and give

1354
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 2: it time and it'll happen. And so I think I

1355
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 2: learned some patience in that manner, I guess, and to

1356
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 2: not be so you almost start expecting of your guy

1357
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 2: when you believe in him so much, you expect so

1358
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 2: much out of him, and sometimes you got to remember

1359
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 2: that we're all just humans, you know. And I think

1360
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 2: sometimes as a caddy, maybe you can push the guy

1361
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 2: too hard, especially with the relationship I had with Rick.

1362
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 3: That maybe you.

1363
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 2: Kind of push that too hard and maybe that's not

1364
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 2: dam and how they're going to do it.

1365
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 1: Talk to me about the job your boy John Wood

1366
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: is doing for NBC and Golf Channel. I mean, I

1367
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 1: thought Bones did an unbelievable job coming out of the

1368
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 1: caddy ranks and commentating. But I think it is so cool,

1369
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 1: so cool that the lead on course analyst for NBC

1370
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 1: is John Wood, a caddy. When you started thirteen years

1371
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 1: ago and you look at the television landscape, did you

1372
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: ever think that there would be in that seat a caddy,

1373
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: Because I for all of us, it was the obvious

1374
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 1: choice out of on course commentators. Yes, the player, But

1375
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 1: I always thought, why isn't a caddie in this role?

1376
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: I mean, and I think I think Bones set it

1377
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 1: up amazing. He did a great job. But I think

1378
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 1: he's going back to caddy in John Wood, who caddied

1379
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 1: for Hunter, who caddied for Coach. I think John's doing

1380
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:27,679
Speaker 1: an amazing job. But from a caddy standpoint, it's gotta

1381
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 1: be great for you to go. They finally have one

1382
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,639
Speaker 1: of us talking about the professional game.

1383
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's so cool. And of course it

1384
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 2: was Bones that changes everything. He's kind of done that

1385
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 2: for our profession the whole way. He's kind of been

1386
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,679
Speaker 2: he's been the standard bearer for our profession, right. And

1387
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:49,600
Speaker 2: John was one of the guys I looked up to

1388
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 2: when I first came out and worked those first few

1389
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 2: Ryder cups. You know, John was one of the best

1390
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 2: caddies out there, always prepared, always working hard into it,

1391
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 2: the whole thing. So it's no accident that those two

1392
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 2: have been the ones that did it, and that they've

1393
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 2: done such a good job. And like you said, with John,

1394
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:10,640
Speaker 2: it's it's great to see and it's nice to know

1395
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 2: that that might be an opportunity someday for us, you know,

1396
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 2: and it makes complete sense because we're not having to

1397
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,440
Speaker 2: hit the shots, so we're thinking about all the other factors.

1398
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 2: So when you're describing things on TV, you can describe

1399
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 2: all those factors because you're not you've thought that way

1400
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 2: the whole time, because you're not worried about, well, what

1401
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 2: kind of swing am I going to make here? What

1402
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 2: am I going to do here? It's how's the fly

1403
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 2: going to react? Where do we need to land it,

1404
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 2: where's the win? All those kinds of things, and so

1405
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 2: then you're describing that for the viewer.

1406
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 3: And I think it's great.

1407
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 1: When you when you and Rick split up and you

1408
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:45,560
Speaker 1: were trying to figure out what you were going to

1409
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,639
Speaker 1: do before you got to call from Tom, did you think, Hey,

1410
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 1: maybe I want to try and do some TV and

1411
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,520
Speaker 1: do some stuff like Bones and Wood.

1412
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 2: Did so for me, I don't know that I'd excel

1413
01:09:57,840 --> 01:09:59,680
Speaker 2: in that. I thought about a lot of this. I've

1414
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 2: done it little bit of radio. I fill in with

1415
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 2: Colt and Drew on Graving and the sleeves a decent amount.

1416
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,599
Speaker 2: And that's something you know. Me, I love talking sports.

1417
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 2: I love breaking everything down and detailing everything else. And

1418
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 2: that's great because I have the time to do it

1419
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 2: those guys and getting in and out the way they

1420
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 2: do that is tough to do, and I'm not so

1421
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 2: sure I could do it. I think I'd much rather

1422
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 2: be in the studio kind of breaking it down and

1423
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 2: doing things that way so I can go into my detail.

1424
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 2: Because the in and out that these guys do that

1425
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 2: are good at that, it's really impressive.

1426
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 1: Lastly, in twenty twenty three, Scovey, what do you like

1427
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 1: about caddying in twenty twenty three? Where do you I mean,

1428
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 1: just as a profession, what do you like about where

1429
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 1: caddying is in twenty twenty three? And what are the

1430
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:46,599
Speaker 1: things You're like? Yeah, I don't like that.

1431
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what.

1432
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:52,639
Speaker 2: It's hard to complain about anything at this point from

1433
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 2: where it's come. When I got out there in the

1434
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 2: fall of two thousand and nine, and now you know

1435
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 2: we're at the BMW and the Tour Championship, and we're

1436
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,600
Speaker 2: eating with the players in those events, and you know

1437
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 2: we got no cut events coming and we're cattying for

1438
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 2: twenty million dollars.

1439
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 3: I mean, it's unbelievable where it's.

1440
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:15,519
Speaker 1: Come, Scoby. Is Tom Kim going to live I mean

1441
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 1: you're eating with the players. I mean that's that sounds

1442
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 1: that sounds a lot like Live Scoby. You're eating in

1443
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 1: player dining, you're playing for twenty million.

1444
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 2: I mean it's you know, since these when they're getting

1445
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 2: these smaller fields there, they're going out of the way.

1446
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 2: I mean, we got courtesy cars the last two events

1447
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,639
Speaker 2: at BMW and Tour Championship. Is unbelievable that these events

1448
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 2: are doing this, and these events care about us now,

1449
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 2: and they're like, come to us and ask us our opinion,

1450
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 2: and we're a part of it. And it's and the

1451
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 2: tour you know, where their stances come on us, and

1452
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:52,759
Speaker 2: how much more than they make us feel involved now,

1453
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 2: it's just amazing. I mean, if you were going to

1454
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 2: pick one thing about the job, there would be a complaint.

1455
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 2: Is it gets old non airplanes and traveling every week.

1456
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 2: That part of it's the only part that gets old,

1457
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,680
Speaker 2: you know, And it's old for the people around you too,

1458
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 2: the people you're close to. You know, you're gone, But

1459
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 2: that's part of the deal. And the job is so good,

1460
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:12,839
Speaker 2: like it's hard to complain about anything.

1461
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 1: Well, I think everybody listening is excited to see your

1462
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 1: boy Tom Kim play in twenty twenty four. I think Scott,

1463
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 1: I think the sky's the limit for this kid, and

1464
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 1: I think he has so many other things that are

1465
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 1: intangibles that can make up for some of the things

1466
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 1: from a toolbox standpoint, from a distant standpoint. I mean, listen,

1467
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:38,719
Speaker 1: everybody can't be blessed with you know, Rory McElroy, Dustin

1468
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:41,720
Speaker 1: Johnson type length and stuff. But I think he's got

1469
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:45,599
Speaker 1: a lot of things. I'm so happy that you landed

1470
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 1: on your feet with a great player and you're winning again.

1471
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 1: And on a personal note, man, the negative side of

1472
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 1: this whole PGA Tour live thing is I just don't

1473
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 1: get to see you as much as I used to

1474
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 1: because to me, yes, I missed some of the players,

1475
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:03,120
Speaker 1: but the people I miss the most are the behind

1476
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 1: the scenes people. Now that you know, the tours have

1477
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 1: kind of gone because I don't get other than a major,

1478
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 1: I don't really go on the big but I miss

1479
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 1: I missed the caddies. I miss you know, they're the

1480
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:15,680
Speaker 1: cat To me, the caddies are the fabric of what

1481
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 1: professional golf is, right, I mean, to me, that's the

1482
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 1: glue that holds everything together. So I miss seeing you, man,

1483
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 1: but I'm happy for you. I'm not bullshit, you know.

1484
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 1: I think you're easily one of the best in the

1485
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 1: world at what you do and it's fun to watch

1486
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:31,679
Speaker 1: you and Tom have all the success. Man.

1487
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,559
Speaker 3: Well, thanks card, I appreciate it and I miss you too.

1488
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 1: So you know, I mean, if nothing else, I mean,

1489
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 1: if we'll see you Augusta, and we'll make sure that

1490
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 1: AJ gives you all the good aj isms because.

1491
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 3: I looked forward to those at all times.

1492
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 1: All right, man, great to talk to you. Scoviy, We'll

1493
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 1: see you soon, Bro.

1494
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:59,520
Speaker 2: You got it to seek.

1495
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 1: So that was Joe Scoverrin. And like I said, if

1496
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 1: there is a better caddy in the professional game, I

1497
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 1: don't know who it is. I think when you have

1498
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 1: a player like Tom Kim at this stage of his career,

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Speaker 1: a young player, having someone on the bag on the

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Speaker 1: golf course with you, like Joe Scovern, I just think

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Speaker 1: it's invaluable and I think it's going to be something

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Speaker 1: that is going to be a differentiator in Tom Kim's

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Speaker 1: career because to have someone on the bag like Scave

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Speaker 1: down the stretch, Joe's not afraid. He knows how to win,

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Speaker 1: and you have to have a caddy that knows how

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Speaker 1: to win as much as you have to have a

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Speaker 1: player that knows how to win if you're going to

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Speaker 1: play on the PGA Tour. I want to thank everybody

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Speaker 1: for listening, rate, review, subscribe wherever you get your podcasts

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Speaker 1: Son of It, which comes to you every Wednesday. We

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Speaker 1: will see you next week.