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Speaker 1: What is going on? Everybody? John middle Coop back at

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Speaker 1: it again three and our podcast We're going every Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: We're going every Friday. At the end of this podcast,

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Speaker 1: I do a middlecof mail back. You can always slide

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Speaker 1: right into my d M s this podcast. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we we had huge breaking news on Monday. I'll break

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Speaker 1: it down from the Cowboys side of things. You know,

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Speaker 1: Jerry Jones, I actually think I like it more than most.

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Speaker 1: My thoughts on John Gruden finally making a pretty good trade,

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Speaker 1: but really, what is the endgame in Oakland? Uh? Because

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Speaker 1: it's one of the bigger trades you'll see. Any time

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Speaker 1: a player, especially mid season, gets traded for a first

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Speaker 1: round pick. The irony is now the Raiders have traded

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Speaker 1: first round picks that showed you, like the NFL thought

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Speaker 1: these guys are pretty good. We'll get into that. Also,

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Speaker 1: go a little bit around the league things I saw

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Speaker 1: on one day, maybe even a little Saturday to my

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Speaker 1: guy Jim Harbaugh's rolling again. But I gotta start with

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Speaker 1: the Monday night game Atlanta the Giants, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: start one quick thing because I realized why casual baseball

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Speaker 1: fans don't spend too much time on Twitter like we

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Speaker 1: do as NFL fans, as NBA fans, like you can

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Speaker 1: just have arguments. You can just argue like I think

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Speaker 1: a sports fan argument. We obviously do that all the time.

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Speaker 1: In football, what player is better than the other player?

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Speaker 1: Is Von Miller, Cleil Mac? Who'd you rather have? Would

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Speaker 1: you have Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers? Uh? We we just

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Speaker 1: have these ar I mean we're still arguing about Tom

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Speaker 1: In baseball, you never have those arguments. It's all analytically driven.

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Speaker 1: Like you can't get on social media and drop I

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Speaker 1: think so and so sucks. And as someone that lives

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Speaker 1: give me one stat and yeah, he might do one

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Speaker 1: But you can convince me a guy with like seventy

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Speaker 1: and I'm pro the numbers. I'm pro stats. You can

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Speaker 1: dive deeper. It's a great part about pro sports now.

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Speaker 1: We have so much information that we can dive into

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Speaker 1: And that's positive. But to me, there are still elements

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Speaker 1: that they're like, even general managers don't know the plays.

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Speaker 1: Pat Schrumer collin the plays. Maybe with Kyle Shannon is

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Speaker 1: grooten aspect of this, Amari Cooper, let's talk about my

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Speaker 1: listen to this are either run a business, run hr

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Speaker 1: to hire good people in any job, and the hardest

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Speaker 1: thing to do is find those good people. Well, that's

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Speaker 1: where LinkedIn comes in. It's the world's largest professional network.

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Speaker 1: People go to LinkedIn every day to grow professionally and

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Speaker 1: discover job opportunities. Sevent I repeat sev of the U

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Speaker 1: most people in the workforce see it. Do you know

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Speaker 1: that the majority of people do not visit job boards,

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Speaker 1: those job boards. Nine out of ten of those LinkedIn

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Speaker 1: members are open to new opportunities, so you can only

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Speaker 1: reach them on LinkedIn. That's why a new higher is

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Speaker 1: made every ten seconds using LinkedIn, and businesses rate LinkedIn

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Speaker 1: higher then job boards of delivering quality candidates. So hurry up,

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Speaker 1: go to LinkedIn, dot com slash john and get fifty

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Speaker 1: h en. Go make hires easy using LinkedIn. Let's get

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Speaker 1: to the Gruden aspect of this Amori Jerry deal. As

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Speaker 1: I told you, I understand Jerry over paying for a

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Speaker 1: Mari Gruden. If you are willing to trade a Marie Cooper,

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Speaker 1: you're obviously gonna do it for a first rounder. And

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Speaker 1: clearly the Cowboys were the only team willing to give

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Speaker 1: them a first rounder. So a no brainer, a good deal,

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Speaker 1: And I think Gruden's getting a lot of credit. But

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Speaker 1: I also think this. And I was talking to a

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Speaker 1: couple of people in the league today and just around

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Speaker 1: the football world, and they brought up good points. I

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Speaker 1: was thinking the same thing, Like you get rid of Khalil,

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Speaker 1: you get rid of a Mari. You keep getting ding

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Speaker 1: for having a bunch of old players, Like how do

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Speaker 1: you get young players? You have a young talented player already,

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Speaker 1: Like when you give him up, now you how do

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Speaker 1: you replace a Mari? You do that in free agency? Okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: as I said earlier in the Cowboys example with Sammy Watkins,

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Speaker 1: that player costs sixteen million dollars a year in free agency.

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Speaker 1: It is the ultimate, the ultimate buyer's market, excuse me,

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Speaker 1: seller's market. Given that the player and the agent are

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Speaker 1: gonna win. The team is not. Now. The team might

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Speaker 1: win in the sense that they get the player on

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Speaker 1: their team, but you have to overpay for him. It's

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Speaker 1: why these last several years, when you've seen a lot

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Speaker 1: of these guards and interior offensive lineman hit free agency,

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Speaker 1: they've been paid a premium. And it's why a lot

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Speaker 1: of the times their team, the Raiders, have actually signed

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Speaker 1: a couple of Colletio assembly at the time he was

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Speaker 1: made the highest paid guard the year before Rodney Hudson

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Speaker 1: was made the highest paid center. It's not like that

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Speaker 1: Reggie mackenzie knew they were good players and other teams didn't.

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Speaker 1: The entire league knew how good they were. The thing was,

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Speaker 1: at the time, the Raiders had all this money and

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Speaker 1: they needed to pay someone, so they bought those two guys,

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Speaker 1: and they were good. They also paid Bruce Irvan at

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Speaker 1: the time eleven million dollars a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 1: which was a lot of money. And that's what free

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Speaker 1: agency costs. You have to give Bruce Irvin type guys

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Speaker 1: eleven million dollars. They gave Jordy Nelson this year like

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Speaker 1: eight million dollars. Michael Crabtree got like eight and a

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Speaker 1: half million dollars by the Baltimore Ravens when the Raiders

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Speaker 1: cut him, Like, you get paid a lot of money

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Speaker 1: in free agency, So you get rid of a Marie

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Speaker 1: Cooper the year before he's gonna get fourteen million dollars,

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Speaker 1: and John Gruden goes, well, I didn't really want to

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Speaker 1: pay a Marie Cooper fifth teen million dollars a year. Well,

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Speaker 1: eventually you're either gonna go sign that guy in free

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Speaker 1: agency that you are willing to pay that. So you'd

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Speaker 1: have to look at the free agent market and you go,

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Speaker 1: is there gonna be a free agent wide receiver that

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Speaker 1: hits the market who's gonna be better? The answer is

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Speaker 1: gonna be no, because as we see, like Sammy Watkins

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Speaker 1: year and year out is typically the best wide receiver

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Speaker 1: type guy that hits the open market. Most guys get extended.

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Speaker 1: Just look at this year. Obviously, the Mike Evans, the

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Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Jrs never sniff free agency, and even questionable

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Speaker 1: guys that have been traded back to back years like

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Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks signed for like fifty five million dollars. So

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Speaker 1: you go, okay, can we draft a guy? Well, the

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Speaker 1: Raiders now have three first round picks their own, which

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Speaker 1: is gonna be really high. Then the Bears and the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys probably end up being somewhere between fifteen and twenty. Well,

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Speaker 1: you can take a wide receiver there. What are the

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Speaker 1: chances of that guy that you take is as good

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Speaker 1: as a Marii Cooper? Probably not high. So I get it.

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Speaker 1: And it's always great to trade for picks, but it's

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Speaker 1: because the picks equal hope. Now that pick eventually has

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Speaker 1: to become a human being, Like who do you draft? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I get it. Let's say the Raiders have the number

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Speaker 1: one overall pick and they go, we're gonna take Nick Bosa,

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Speaker 1: Joey's brother. Well, you just had Khalil Mack Khalil Max

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Speaker 1: headed for another double digit sack season, another All Pro

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl type year, Like that's what you had, So

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Speaker 1: if Nick is good, you actually downgrade. Now there is

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Speaker 1: also an element of cost control, and I get it,

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Speaker 1: and that that plays a huge role in this. But

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Speaker 1: now the Raiders have this unlimited budget, like seventy five

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Speaker 1: million dollars in cap space, and they got all these

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Speaker 1: first round picks, but they don't have any players, and

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Speaker 1: they don't have any young players on their team. Well,

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Speaker 1: they did have two young players that the NFL just

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Speaker 1: told you were worth a total of three first round picks.

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Speaker 1: Like that's that's the whole point of this entire endeavor. Now,

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Speaker 1: I get it, Gruden wants to hit the reset button.

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Speaker 1: We have a long history of showing and and it

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Speaker 1: being proven that John Gruden struggles drafting. So I do

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Speaker 1: not have confidence that John Gruden's gonna be able to

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Speaker 1: draft good players now if he can add a GM,

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Speaker 1: because clearly he doesn't listen to general manager Reggie mackenzie.

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Speaker 1: I'll believe they have a chance because they clearly have

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Speaker 1: the capital. I tweeted out earlier today, just because you

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Speaker 1: have a lot of capital, just because you win the lottery,

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Speaker 1: does not mean you're gonna stay rich. Isn't there the

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Speaker 1: statistic the majority of people that win the lottery go

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Speaker 1: broke because they don't know how. Just because you have

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Speaker 1: a lot of capital doesn't mean you nowhere to invest it.

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Speaker 1: If you just walk down the street and had a

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Speaker 1: million dollars in a bag and handed that million dollars

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Speaker 1: cash to five different people in just an average town,

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Speaker 1: do you think the majority of those people, Well, let's

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Speaker 1: say ten people would turn that money that million dollars

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Speaker 1: and five million dollars ten million dollars. Now, most of

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Speaker 1: people would lose it, spend it on stupid things, would

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Speaker 1: waste the money. Now, I'm not saying that Gruden is

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Speaker 1: just gonna go waste these picks, but he's not proven

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Speaker 1: to be capable and able of hitting on most draft picks.

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Speaker 1: I don't trust him as a talent evaluator. I trust

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Speaker 1: him as a coach. I don't even hate this deal.

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Speaker 1: I get it. If you're like, I'm not big on

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Speaker 1: paying a Mari long term, you get a first round pick,

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Speaker 1: no brainer. I would not have trade Khalil Mack. My

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Speaker 1: biggest struggle is I'm never in the business of trading

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Speaker 1: high character talented guys now red flag talents, high high talent,

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Speaker 1: red flag guys. I get it, like I understand it.

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Speaker 1: I get trading Marcus Peters last year. I see why

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Speaker 1: people kind of struggled with Brandon Cooks, even though there's

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Speaker 1: never been any really public incidents. Clearly there have been issues,

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Speaker 1: Like I get trading Chandler Jones when he walks into

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Speaker 1: the precinct naked. I don't really quite get trading and

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Speaker 1: underachieving twenty four year old player that still hasn't high upside.

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Speaker 1: I I don't, but you could convince me, like I

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Speaker 1: get both sides of this deal. I just don't know

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Speaker 1: how the Raiders replenish this besides just the three first

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Speaker 1: round picks. They got three first round picks. Well, they've

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Speaker 1: lost Khalil Mack and they've lost Tomari Cooper, so two

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Speaker 1: of those slots fill in those slots, and they gained

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Speaker 1: one more young premium player. And again we know that

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Speaker 1: the hit rate on first round and they're not gonna

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Speaker 1: hit on all three of them. If they do hit

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Speaker 1: on two of them, what are the chances of those

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Speaker 1: two are pro bowlers? You know, probably another fifty gone.

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Speaker 1: So you just it's very difficult. And they did have

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Speaker 1: two players that you could work with and build around,

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Speaker 1: and Gruden punting. So the pressure now he's you know,

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Speaker 1: next year is a wash too, because even if you

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Speaker 1: hit on rookies, they're not gonna really do much for you,

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Speaker 1: you know, unless Derek is unreal again, and I have

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Speaker 1: no confidence that he will be that. I I think

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Speaker 1: that Gruden got a lot of credit on Twitter today

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Speaker 1: because he gave you know, he got a first rounder

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Speaker 1: from Mark Cooper. I just look at it, like, how

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Speaker 1: are you gonna get young players? You now have two holes.

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Speaker 1: You've lost Khalil, You've lost a mari I know that

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Speaker 1: you continue to sign and most of the times in

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Speaker 1: free agency or older players. So you're just gonna continue

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Speaker 1: to add older players as depth to this team. How

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Speaker 1: are you gonna get young players as depth? I maybe

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Speaker 1: I'm just a Marii Cooper loyalist and an Amrii Cooper fan,

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Speaker 1: but I just I don't know if I would have

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Speaker 1: traded him. Man, we get into the mail bag. Let

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Speaker 1: me just go You know, I spend all weekend watching

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Speaker 1: these games, so I might as well talk about him

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Speaker 1: really quick. Just go around the league. I just pull

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Speaker 1: up ESPN dot com the standings, and I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: go through divisions. Just hit on a couple of things

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Speaker 1: that stood out last weekend. Start with the NFC West

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Speaker 1: the Rams Niner game. I watched that game, so you

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Speaker 1: guys didn't have to The Rams kick the living crap

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Speaker 1: out of the Niners. Aaron Donald looked, just absolutely incredible.

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Speaker 1: The Rams are rolling. Todd Gurley, I know Mahomes is

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Speaker 1: getting a ton of m v P buzz to me,

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Speaker 1: you could easily split this m v P between Girle

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Speaker 1: and Mahomes. That that would be my vote if I

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Speaker 1: was an MVP voter right now. Niners in absolute shambles.

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Speaker 1: The Cardinals are terrible. Seattle how to buy Saints five

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Speaker 1: and one got a little bit lucky obviously with Tucker

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Speaker 1: missing the extra point you know, to win it in regulation.

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Speaker 1: I do think, though win or lose this, I just

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Speaker 1: think the Saints are really good. Huge game this weekend

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Speaker 1: with Minnesota will get in later this week, but you know,

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Speaker 1: the Saints have rebounded after starting no. On one. Gotta

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Speaker 1: give Carolina Panthers credit. They were also down big the

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Speaker 1: Eagles on the road coming back. McCaffrey has been a

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Speaker 1: completely different player. Uh second year. I mean, he looks

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Speaker 1: like a legitimate NFL running back. Give camas do. He's

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Speaker 1: played much more consistently. Falcons and the Buccaneers kind of crazy.

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Speaker 1: It feels like both of them have a combined to wins.

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Speaker 1: The Bucks are three and three, somehow I get they

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Speaker 1: did start too, and oh and the Falcons are three

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Speaker 1: and four. That's just a good division. Bears pretty rough

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Speaker 1: loss of the Patriots Mitchell was terrible. I mean, he

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Speaker 1: just was not very good. He misses way too many

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Speaker 1: lay up throws. Uh. Khalil Mack was you know, looked

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Speaker 1: like and off that rolled ankle their defense and not

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Speaker 1: play very well. I also think it's more of an indictment. Uh,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily on the Bears, but just how great the

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Speaker 1: Patriots offenses. I mean, Gronk didn't even travel that They

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Speaker 1: lit him up like a Christmas tree. The Lions picked

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Speaker 1: him on Friday, thought they would beat Miami. Their offense

643
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: is really really good. Give Jim Bob Couder credit, Give

644
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Speaker 1: Stafford credits. With wide receivers. They were just good. Packers

645
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Speaker 1: had to buy. Vikings got a pretty easy win against

646
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Speaker 1: the Jets. We knew that was coming. Again. I said

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Speaker 1: when the when the Vikings were one, two and one

648
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: and everyone was freaking the bleep out, like the Vikings

649
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: it's over. I was like, now they'll be fine if

650
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: they could beat the Eagles. And they did that must

651
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: win game. They got to two, two and one. Then

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Speaker 1: they've rattled ab off back to back wins the last

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Speaker 1: two weeks. Another four to and one. They're in pretty

654
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: good shape with with a big game this Weekend Giants

655
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: are terrible Cowboys. Uh you know right in this thing

656
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: at three and four. Their their defense is really good,

657
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: but the problem is they don't have a very explosive offense.

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00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: They have traded for Marie Cooper. We've obviously talked a

659
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: lot about that today on the podcast. I I think

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00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: that all three of these teams could win the division.

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00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: I said from the jump, I thought the Redskins were

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00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: pretty solid. The problem is this is probably the worst

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Speaker 1: team Alex has played on in the last seven years.

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Speaker 1: So more is gonna be He's gonna be asked to

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Speaker 1: do more as this season plays out, and that's where

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Speaker 1: I think is going to be the difference like Alex.

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Speaker 1: If Alex was a really good player, like a legitimate

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Speaker 1: top seven quarterback, I'd go I think the Redskins win

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Speaker 1: eleven games. But to me, he's not, and that's why

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Speaker 1: I think they end up nine and seven. I think

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Speaker 1: the Eagles can end up nine and seven. I think

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys can end up nine and seven. I view

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Speaker 1: all these teams as nine and seven teams, and I

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Speaker 1: like Jay Gordon Raiders gotta buy Broncos. We talked about

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00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: the Thursday night game, Chargers got a big win. I

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Speaker 1: mean they're five and two. Think about this. Last year

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Speaker 1: after seven games, they were three and four because they

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Speaker 1: started owing four. They're in great position right now being

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Speaker 1: five too. There are only one game back of the Chiefs,

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Speaker 1: and they still have another game against the Chiefs now

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00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: the games in Kansas City. But this at the two

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Speaker 1: best teams in your division. To me, this is the best.

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Speaker 1: Like Carolina and New Orleans. That's solid. But I take

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Speaker 1: the Chargers in Chiefs of two teams that I could envision,

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Speaker 1: I don't think they would and I would bet against

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00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: the Charters definitely in a big playoff game. But that

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean they can't do it. They're the rosters, exceptional

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00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: boast will probably come back. The Ingram Excuse me, I

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Speaker 1: meant Melvin Gordon. They got Melvin Ingram and Melvin Gordon.

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Speaker 1: Both those two guys are just studs. Rivers been awesome

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Speaker 1: this year. Keenan Allen's a stud, Tyrolle Williams, their deep

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Speaker 1: Thhrets awesome. I like both these two good teams, these

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Speaker 1: two top teams. I mean, the Chiefs destroyed the Bengals.

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Speaker 1: Chiefs are excellent and He's just looks like he's having

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Speaker 1: a blast coaching the South. I mean, I think it's terrible.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe the Houston Texans are four and three.

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Speaker 1: I just don't watch them and think they're very good.

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Speaker 1: But you're four and three or four and three, I

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Speaker 1: mean they're in position. The Titans tough loss. I mean

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Speaker 1: you're coach going for a two point conversion to win

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00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: the game with thirty seconds left. I don't totally love that,

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00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: not when you're a playoff team, if you're like a

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00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: one win team, I get that, But the difference between

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Speaker 1: winning and losing that game and you've just won games

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Speaker 1: in overtime, like going to overtimes. Okay, especially because there

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Speaker 1: was a If you're four and three, you're in first

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Speaker 1: place losing that game. You're not three and four. You're

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Speaker 1: not like that. That was a big swing weekend. Jacksonville

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00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: Jaguars shell of themselves. Bordles finally got bench for Kessler,

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Speaker 1: even though Maron came back today on Monday and said

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Speaker 1: that Borders will be there starting quarterback moving forward. Listen,

712
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: they got more problems than Borders. You drafted Leonard four

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00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: Nett in the top five to be your dude, and

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00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: last year for the most part, he was their dude.

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Speaker 1: This year, he's disappeared, I mean, his hamstring injury, whatever,

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00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: something weird is going on. They had a trade for

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Speaker 1: Carlos Hide, who's actually having a solid season, but he's

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Speaker 1: not Leonard for Net. I mean that that derails their

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Speaker 1: whole team, and then obviously their defense has not played

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Speaker 1: up to snuff. The Cleveland Browns, Hugh Jackson established himself

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Speaker 1: again worst coach in the NFL. How he still has

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Speaker 1: a job is just beyond me. I I think I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't question this because it's the Browns and there's just

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Speaker 1: so much dysfunction in that building. But I think Baker

725
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: Mayfield has looked a little pedestrian. The Ravens, that's a

726
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 1: pretty devastating loss. You were in full control to have

727
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: him missed the p A T. I mean, it's weird

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Speaker 1: to say this, but I mean the kicker on the

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00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: Ravens is one of their best players. Tucker feels automatic

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Speaker 1: anytime he kicks it from anywhere on the field. So

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Speaker 1: that's that's a pretty devastating loss. The Bengals just got

732
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: their ass kicked, and the Steelers did not play. The

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00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: Bills are terrible. The Jets. But the Jets are like

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Speaker 1: every other week, you know, So this two weeks ago

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Speaker 1: they kick ass, this week they look terrible. Next week

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Speaker 1: they'll probably be good. They're just a roller coaster. And

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Speaker 1: that's what happens when you have a star rookie quarterback

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Speaker 1: and you don't have much talent around them. It's just

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Speaker 1: gonna be a roller coaster ride. The Dolphins got problems.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Brocket Ship is their quarterback. Now they

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Speaker 1: play the Texans, who I was just blasting the Texans

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Speaker 1: who are four and three, but they're playing the Miami

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Speaker 1: Dolphins with Ost Wilder on Thursday night. They'll probably gonna

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Speaker 1: be five and three. So if you're five and three,

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00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: you're pretty solid, and the Dolphins will probably be I

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Speaker 1: mean they will be because they'll lose. They'll be four

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Speaker 1: and four. And then we got the Patriots who are

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Speaker 1: just gonna cruise to another twelve and four thirteen and

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Speaker 1: three season. Okay, let's get the Middlecof mail bag. Long

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00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: time listeners, you guys know how to get in. Just

751
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: slide up into my d M s at John Middlecoff

752
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: and I will answer the question. It's got about forty

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Speaker 1: unread questions. I'm gonna start banging them out. The only

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Speaker 1: way you can get out of of a hole. A

755
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: wise man once told me is dropped the shovel. Here

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Speaker 1: we go. My question. Do you still have Odell Beckham

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Speaker 1: as an elite top five wide receiver? I do. I

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00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 1: don't blame him for the problems. I blame Eli Manning.

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Speaker 1: As you saw it a night on Monday Night football.

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Speaker 1: He still looks awesome, just explosive speed. He's the total

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Speaker 1: package I got. No. Odell kind of drives you nuts.

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Speaker 1: You know, the fighting, kicking nets and the A C

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Speaker 1: units on the sideline, and some of his outbursts and

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Speaker 1: you know, talking with Joe Cina about stuff that you'd

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Speaker 1: rather have him not talk about. But at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, he is an elite player. If Antonio

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00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: Brown's one and Hopkins is too, Julio probably three, I

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Speaker 1: mean he's four. I mean he's right there. He is

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Speaker 1: a He's an elite player. I still don't understand how

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Speaker 1: Clay Matthews has a job. He does nothing. It's comparable

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Speaker 1: to Eli being finished but been about the same amount

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Speaker 1: of years. Yeah, I think there's something to be said

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Speaker 1: for they just really like Clay Matthews, you know, like

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00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: he's just a good team guy. They like having him

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Speaker 1: around the operation. They've never really been able to replace him,

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Speaker 1: even though they have tried. But I'm with you. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I I he's just not very good player, try hard

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Speaker 1: guy at this point in time in his career, because

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00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 1: he was excellent. When I first got in the NFL

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Speaker 1: in two thousand ten, it was the year the Packers

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00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl. We played him twice. The first

782
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: game of the season, he knocked out Kevin Cobb and

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00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: that's how Michael Vick started starting, and then we played

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00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: him in the playoff game. I mean, he was unreal

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00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: that season, like two thousand and ten, two thousand eleven,

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Speaker 1: two thousand and twelve. I remember seeing him live in

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Speaker 1: a game in two thousand thirteen when he destroyed Colin

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Speaker 1: Kaepernick on the sideline of a Candlestick game. That was

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00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 1: a game I think the seven just an unreal regular

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00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: season NFL game. But man, click, Clay Matthews was an

791
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: excellent player, Like he really was a fantastic player for

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00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: everyone that makes fun of him a lot, and I

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00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: kind of do now too. He really was a good player,

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Speaker 1: So I do think they value that. They value standing

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Speaker 1: by guys, but it is the NFL. In the quicker

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Speaker 1: you cut bait, the more freedom you have to use

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00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: that money to sign other players. So yeah, they they have.

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00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: They have definitely held on too long. Hey John, huge

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Speaker 1: fan of the podcast, I make sure to listen. I'm

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Speaker 1: a new Jersey and somehow a lifelong Niner fan wanted

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on something I've noticed watching the Niners defense

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00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: this year. I'm not an ex's nose fan, never played football.

803
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: I'm mostly nerd stats guy, but even I have noticed

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00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: when the Niners defense is defending in the red zone,

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00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: they almost are always in zone coverage. W tf just

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00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: sli keep doing that? Rogers abused them last night. This

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Speaker 1: shows you how far I'm behind. I'm almost a week

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00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 1: behind Mahomes a couple of weeks ago. It drives me nuts.

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Speaker 1: I understand they don't have a whole lot of talent

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Speaker 1: on defense, especially in the secondary, but it seems dumb

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Speaker 1: to constantly playing zone in the red zone and you

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Speaker 1: give up touchdowns. I just don't see. I just want

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Speaker 1: to see Ruben destroying people in the red zone. Blah

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00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: blah blah. Appreciate any time reading this, that's a long question. Listen.

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Speaker 1: I don't pretend to be Bill Belichick and Bill Parcels

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00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: when it comes to this. I do know the majority

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00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: of what they do on that defense is playing in

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Speaker 1: zone coverage. UH. To play man coverage on the goal line,

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Speaker 1: you would think in theory, if you were ever gonna

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Speaker 1: play man coverage, if you're at like the five yard line,

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Speaker 1: your guys should be able to cover for basically fifteen

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00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: yards that the field is then wider than it is deep. Uh.

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Speaker 1: If you are in zone coverage, smart offensive players can

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Speaker 1: find little areas to sit in. Good quarterbacks, like you said,

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Speaker 1: Rogers or Mahomes are gonna be able to know where

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Speaker 1: to beat you in zone coverage. Where in man coverage. Again,

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Speaker 1: in theory, if you have DBS, it should be a

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Speaker 1: little more difficult uh to play. Listen, I I'm probably

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Speaker 1: the wrong guy to answer that question, right or wrong.

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Speaker 1: I just think at the end of the day, the

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Speaker 1: Niners personnel on defense, especially in the secondary, is atrocious.

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Speaker 1: So whether you play man coverage, whether you play zone coverage,

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Speaker 1: if you are playing a good quarterback C. C. Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 1: he is going to abuse you in the red zone.

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Speaker 1: Like if the forty Niners play guy like a Peyton

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Speaker 1: Manning and his prime the Philip Rivers, those type guy,

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Speaker 1: it's just not a fair fight. You know. I'd argue

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00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: it's not even a fair fight if you have elite

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00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: defensive players in two thousand eighteen because of the rules.

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00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: But when your talent on defense is below average and

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00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: you are playing top ten quarterbacks, you're gonna get beat.

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00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 1: It's just I mean, it's easy to blame Robert Sale.

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00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: That's the way football works. You always blame the coordinators.

844
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: But I think the Niners defensive personnel is borderline just

845
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: putred atrocious, god awful. I mean, I don't They're not

846
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 1: covering anyone, whether Vince Lombardi, Bill Belichick or Robert Salis

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00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: their coach. John. Question I have is about Oakland with

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Speaker 1: the with the full fire sale going on in Oakland,

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Speaker 1: do you think Gruden is sharing his vision of the

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00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: team going forward with Derek Carr to keep him engaged?

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00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: Thanks Michael, that is a good question. Uh. This question

852
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: was asked before a Mari was traded. When a Mari

853
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: was traded today, I read that they pulled him off

854
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: the practice field because the Raiders are coming off a bike,

855
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: so they practice on Monday. Players on the team did

856
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: not They just thought he was yanked off for whatever.

857
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 1: They did not know what happened until after. Gruden did

858
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 1: not say anything to the team, didn't say a word,

859
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 1: and they found out after the fact. So now obviously

860
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: why he doesn't owe any of the players on the

861
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: team an explanation. I do think there is a chance

862
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: that he has talked with Derek about why he traded

863
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack if he didn't ask him what he thought

864
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: about a Marii Cooper, I do think they would talk

865
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: about it after Now, as I'm recording this, I have

866
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: heard there is a chance Derek gets traded. I know

867
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: John immediately pooh pooed it and shot it down, but

868
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: I I don't know if he treats him like you know,

869
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: the Warriors would with Steph Curry. I do think he

870
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,240
Speaker 1: talks to him a little differently than every other player,

871
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,439
Speaker 1: just from the fact that they meet a lot, uh

872
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: that they talk every day, they spend so much time

873
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: together as the offensive coordinator and the head coach. And again,

874
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,439
Speaker 1: Gruden can be a professional bullshit artist, but he has

875
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: said over and over and over and over again, his

876
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: admiration and his desire to coach Derek, to want to

877
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: get Derek better, and if Derek fails, that's a reflection

878
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: on him. So the more I'm talking myself into it,

879
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: I think it'd be a little crazy and dumb for

880
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 1: Gruden not to just talk it through with Derek. I mean,

881
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: you're only as strong as you're starting quarterback, and just

882
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: his confidence. So yeah, I'm sure they've exchanged some some

883
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: words over it. Okay, love the pod Avid Bills fan.

884
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm pulling for Josh Allen. However, his performance has been

885
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: underwhelming to say the least. Yes, it's been a rough

886
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: Josh Allen season. Obviously the Bills should have had a

887
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: better plan to learn and develop on the sideline, agree,

888
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: but instead the Bills went with the plan of the

889
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: interception massine machine, Peterman and a G McCarron. I know

890
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: it's not a far fetched idea with almost no president

891
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,479
Speaker 1: in the NFL, but is there any chance the Bills

892
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: would draft another first round quarterback in the upcoming draft

893
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: to either replace or compete with Alan? I would say

894
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: slim the nun, especially because their pick is more likely

895
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: going to be in the top ten. Part of drafting

896
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: Alan and this was always uh the motto where I

897
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: went to college at cal Poly. And I do think

898
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: it's very true. It rings true, and it has my

899
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: entire life learned by doing. And I do believe that

900
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 1: it's ever been easier to teach quarterbacks through experience than

901
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: right now. Though I do agree with what you're saying

902
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: in the sense that no quarterback in recent memory that

903
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: was drafted this high needed to write your ear more

904
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: than Josh Allen, but that you knew what you were getting.

905
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: You knew he was a major project. You were gonna

906
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: live like. His statistics in in college were terrible. He

907
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna come to the NFL and light it up

908
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: like a Christmas tree. I mean, no one expected him

909
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: to go Pat Mahomes twenty two touchdowns through the first

910
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,439
Speaker 1: you know, seven games of the NFL season. You knew

911
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: what you were getting in with. I think you just

912
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: gotta live with it. I think it's it's not a

913
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: far fetched idea, because I do think people have talked

914
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: about it. I just think there is zero chance, like

915
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: literally zero, i'd say negative chance that the Bills would

916
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: do that because part of drafting a young quarterback is

917
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: by year two, year three. You want to use all

918
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: these other assets, whether it's your draft pick, whether it's

919
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: free agency money, to build around him and try to

920
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: have an excellent team to try to in while he's

921
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 1: on his rookie contract. But I like, I like thinking

922
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: outside the box. Look at me sliding right into your

923
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: d MS. Feels good to be in here, Glad to

924
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: have you here. Die hard Lions fan, and I'm struggling

925
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: to figure out what their future looks like. Do their

926
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: wins over the Pats Packers. You can also add the

927
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: Dolphins now I mean Patricia will have the team trending

928
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: in the right direction or where they continue to be

929
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: the same old Lions. I do think the division is

930
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: just playing out to be really difficult. You know, the

931
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,240
Speaker 1: Packers might be the least talented team in the division,

932
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: but they do have Aaron Rodgers and I mean, say

933
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: what you want about and Mike McCarthy as a long

934
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: resume of winning. The Bears have a lot more talent

935
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: to me than the Lions and even the Packers, but

936
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: Travis Ki is their quarterback. The Lions defense is a

937
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: major question mark. I know there was I didn't read

938
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: the article, but I saw a headline like Ziggy Ansa

939
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: said he would wish his injuries on no One's Clearly

940
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: it sucks to be Ziggy as constantly gets hurt. But

941
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: their defense is in that town. But their offense, I'm

942
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 1: telling you Detroit's one of my favorite offense in the league.

943
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: They light you up throwing the ball, can all their

944
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: running backs can catch, and Carrie on Johnson can actually

945
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 1: run the ball. The rookie from from Auburn. So I

946
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: same old Lions, I mean, the same old The Stafford

947
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: Lions have been really competitive. They made the playoffs I

948
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: think three times in his career. They've been eight and eight,

949
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: nine and seven a couple other times. Like I think

950
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: they can go nine and seven and compete, you know

951
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: for that wild card spot, like down the stretch in December. Honestly,

952
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: they're kind of growing on me. Uh you know, I

953
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: crushed Patricia and everyone did the backwards hat looking like

954
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: a slob. Boy's turned that bad boy around, and you

955
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 1: know the teams that the team is playing pretty good.

956
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 1: What's up? John really enjoyed the podcast. The way things

957
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 1: are going this year, it looks like the Raiders are

958
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: locked to have a top five draft pick. Could you

959
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 1: see them taking Herbert and moving on from Car? If

960
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: so would hit, what would his trade value be. I

961
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: think I talked a little bit about this earlier in

962
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 1: the pod. I think you get maybe two twos for him,

963
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: maybe a second and a third. I don't think you

964
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: could probably get a first round pick, given that next

965
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: year he makes over twenty million dollars. He hasn't played

966
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 1: that well. I do think I hear this consistently from

967
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: people in college that I guess college meeting, college scouts,

968
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: people that have gone through Oregon. There is a massive,

969
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: massive question mark whether Justin Herbert will come out right now.

970
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: Many people believe that he will not, So I don't

971
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: necessarily just think that he's a lot to come out.

972
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: I think he should because I do think he'd be

973
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: the number one overall pick, But I don't know if

974
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. Now. If you got the number one

975
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: overall pick and he did come out and you really

976
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: liked him, then it would make sense to trade Car.

977
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: It probably in a perfect world, unless you can get

978
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: a one now, wouldn't make sense for you to do

979
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: anything with Car until the off season and just see

980
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: where you land in the draft and what quarterbacks declaire.

981
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: So I'd say fifty fifty just because it's always with Gruden,

982
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: you never know. But uh, I don't know. I'm starting

983
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 1: to think that Justin Herbert won't come out. Why can't

984
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: Julio Jones score a damn touchdown? He is too good. Ironically,

985
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: he didn't score again, and I don't know. It is

986
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: pretty wild. He's an absolute monster. He's one of the

987
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: best wide receivers I've ever seen. He's just not good.

988
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: He just doesn't score in the red zone. Whether that's Sark,

989
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: whether it's Mattie Ice, rather that's Julio. He's had some

990
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: bad drops in the end zone. I don't know. It's

991
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: it's weird. I can't I can't even pretend to, uh

992
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: to explain it. It's really an all I think honestly,

993
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: it's an all time just like outlier anomaly. Because you

994
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: watch Julio, you go this guy is incredible. There's no

995
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: reason he shouldn't be scoring, and he just doesn't score. Okay,

996
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: here's one last one of the night. This isn't a

997
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: shot of Rogers. We all know he's incredible, but he

998
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 1: needed to come back when to beat the awful Niners.

999
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: He has a top three old line, Davante Adams and

1000
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: other good offensive players. We all know how good he is,

1001
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: but I think we baby him a little bit and

1002
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: people put him in the goat conversation. It blows my mind.

1003
00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: What do you think? I liked this question, Connor. I

1004
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: I think he has babied a little bit at this

1005
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: point because he went from like, oh, he's criminally underrated.

1006
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: He's criminally underrated. Then he established himself as an elite player,

1007
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: and then he kind of gets excuses for him. I

1008
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: think he gets somewhat of the Lebron treatment. For like

1009
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: the first five or six years of Lebron's career, he

1010
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 1: was treated unfairly by the media. Then he got over

1011
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: the hype and everyone just acknowledged his greatness. Now it

1012
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: almost feels like you can't criticize him, like Lebron didn't

1013
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: try on defense. Lebron is not a good free throw shooter,

1014
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: like Aaron kind of freelances at times. Aaron is not

1015
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 1: the easiest guy to coach. Aaron hasn't always got along

1016
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 1: with his teammates. Now we judge Aaron almost differently, like

1017
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: there's no disputing he's one of in my I'm thirty four,

1018
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: I did not get to see Marino in Elway besides

1019
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: like YouTube, in my prime sports watching years. But from

1020
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,240
Speaker 1: everyone I've ever talked to the way they talk about

1021
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: Marino and Elway kind of described like Rogers just all times,

1022
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: you just knew it when you saw it, it was incredible,

1023
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 1: Like O you I didn't watch Montana really live besides

1024
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, but you YouTube Montana really what he hung

1025
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: his hat on was being cool, calm and collected. Was

1026
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 1: incredibly accurate, especially in big moments. But his physical attributes

1027
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 1: weren't great. He's actually kind of short, didn't have a

1028
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: great arm like Rogers. What's the knock on him? He

1029
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: is a little short. I mean he's not doesn't have

1030
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 1: ideal quarterback height, elite arm, elite accuracy, elite pocket mobility.

1031
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: I mean he's just he's elite in all these qualities.

1032
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: But for some reason when you're watching, especially the last

1033
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,439
Speaker 1: couple of years, Like I don't necessarily blame him for

1034
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: those years right after the Super Bowl when his defense

1035
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: was atrocious, but I think these last three or four

1036
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 1: years it's almost like he started listening to like how

1037
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: good he was and I think it was hard for

1038
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: Mike and the offensive staff to coach. He's not the

1039
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: easiest player to play with, despite how great he is.

1040
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 1: So I do agree he is babied a little. And

1041
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: to me, he he'd be right on the borderline of

1042
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: the top five. Uh. But I'm with you, and I

1043
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: couldn't even begin to put him in the goat conversation.

1044
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 1: I would probably I might even have him below Marino,

1045
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: and I'd say Marino is the best quarterback by far

1046
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: in the top four or five ranking that did not

1047
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl, And I know Aaron won one.

1048
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: But I will say this for Aaron. If Aaron never

1049
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: wins another super Bowl, and maybe the Marino comes bad,

1050
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 1: I will view Aaron a little bit like Peyton Manning.

1051
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: Like even though Peyton Manning didn't earn his last Super Bowl,

1052
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: he was atrocious and the defense carried into that. I

1053
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: always viewed Peyton Manning like he was a two super

1054
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: Bowl guy. Like I do hope Aaron gets another one

1055
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: because I've watched his whole career and he's better, Like

1056
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,959
Speaker 1: he should have multiple super Bowls, you know, like Aaron

1057
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 1: Rodgers when he stands up there at Canton, Ohio, and

1058
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: he retires, he should have multiple Super Bowls on his resume.

1059
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: I'm starting to think I don't know if by any

1060
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: means that's a lock anymore. He can't stay healthy, his

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Speaker 1: the NFC stacked and not going away. It's gonna be

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Speaker 1: really hard. So I'm with you. I do think he's

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Speaker 1: definitely baby babied a little bit. The one guy that's

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Speaker 1: been proven right for the most part, was Colin Uh

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Speaker 1: and I've always thought he was probably a little better

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Speaker 1: than Colin ever believed. But I but I did agree

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Speaker 1: with Colin that like, you can't treat him with kids

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Speaker 1: like Brady doesn't get treated with kids gloves. You know,

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Speaker 1: Brady gets the heat man when he when it comes.

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Speaker 1: Rogers kind of is pretty sneaky and avoiding it. But

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Speaker 1: I do think if they were to miss the playoffs

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Speaker 1: again this year, McCarthy would clearly lose his job and

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Speaker 1: this wouldn't be be It's somewhat of a blemish on

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Speaker 1: rogers great resume. That's gonna do it for the middlecop

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Speaker 1: Mail back slade up in my d M. You can

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Speaker 1: always ask questions there. Thanks again for listening and I

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Speaker 1: will see a Friday on three and Out podcast with me.

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Speaker 1: It's John Middlecock nine