1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of the Art Awar Today, 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: my guest is a boxing brother. She's a former colleague 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: of mine, one of the most outspoken voices in the game. 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: He's a two division, five time world champion in the 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: first ballot Hall of Fame. I want to welcome to 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: the show, Timothy Desert Storm Brask going on, baby, Man, 7 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: We at the House of Boxing in San Diego. Man, 8 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: you live with a lot of people on a vacation. 9 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: We come to San Diego. It's beautiful down here, and 10 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: I appreciate you, you know, spending some time with us. Man, 11 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: I've been you know, you haven't been working for ESPN 12 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: for a little bit of time. We'll get into that. 13 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: But man, you've been going to war with your phone. Brother, 14 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: you be taking these walks in the neighborhood, and you 15 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: be you make these videos and you aggressive. You tim 16 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: that is wraw and cut. But you you speak in 17 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: your truth. What made you start doing that? You know what? 18 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 2: Not being on ESPN? 19 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, just have. 20 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 3: An outlet, man, like boxing. I need it, you know 21 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 3: I need it, man, I'm not without it, Drake for real. 22 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 3: You know what kept me out of the ring was 23 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 3: being on air. You know, on ESPN for eight years, 24 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 3: and now that we're no longer on ESPN, it's like 25 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 3: I need to be able to speak and give my opinion. 26 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 3: You know, I've kind of got accustomed to being a 27 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 3: voice in boxing. I feel like my voice is needed 28 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 3: just from a realist standpoint. You know, like a lot 29 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 3: of people, my delivery might not be what everybody like. 30 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 3: But you know, it's funny because when we were on air, 31 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 3: we would say the same thing, but you would say 32 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 3: it's so clean and so polished, and I just come out, hey, 33 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 3: he needed to keep this day job, you know what 34 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 3: I'm saying, that type of joint. So but uh, that 35 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 3: was just it just just just a channel, just an 36 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 3: outlegs for me to be able to speak my mind 37 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 3: and say what I want to say. 38 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: So you just you get some insp, you start feeling something, 39 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: and then you just turn the camera on and just 40 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:50,559 Speaker 1: go for it. 41 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 3: It's me and my phone, that's it, it just right 42 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 3: right here. 43 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: Me. 44 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 3: Ain't no ain't no special effects people my channel with 45 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 3: my channel, no special effects, no camera men none of that, 46 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 3: No no women, no director, none of that, just me 47 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 3: straight from my phone. Person. 48 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: You're not editing the video. 49 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 3: I don't know edit straight out there, shot straight shooting, man, 50 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 3: You know what I mean. So you see the imperfections, 51 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 3: you see you know, you see how I'm really thinking. 52 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 3: You know, everything is on the fly. Whatever comes to 53 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 3: me at that moment. I speak my truth, man, and 54 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 3: what I truly believe. 55 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's working. 56 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: I feel like with your approach, people are gonna either 57 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: love it or hate it. They gonna love it. So 58 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: some people say, man, Tim telling it like it is. 59 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: Even people that might not rock with you, they're like, man, 60 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: I gotta give it to him. He spoke the truth 61 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: with this situation. You know, I haven't seen your name 62 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: come up a lot with a lot of comeback talk. 63 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: But I just I seen another video. I seen another video, 64 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: and I don't know what caused it. I just saw 65 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 1: the aftermath with you again speaking directly to your phone, 66 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: telling Jake Paul and his team they can get a 67 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: tooth for one. What was that about? Look, man? 68 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 3: Look It all stemmed from his coach Jadu in former boxer. 69 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 3: I saw he did a little rant or something about 70 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 3: me because I was I was kind of unspoken about 71 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 3: the fact that, like chakur Ford and Montana, love was 72 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 3: over there helping Jake Paul and I'm like, that dude 73 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 3: ain't even a lifer. That dude, that dude only been 74 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 3: five years in the game, That dude making more money 75 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 3: than all three of y'all. You know that dude is 76 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 3: dumbing down the sport, like you know, oh yeah, oh yeah. 77 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 3: Like that's what I'm thinking to myself, So just put 78 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 3: it this way. 79 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 2: So that's what I'm thinking. 80 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 3: So when he came out, was just like, what's wrong 81 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 3: with you know, black fighters helping white fighters and it 82 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 3: like that's stupid. He says something, and then he brought 83 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 3: my wife in it. He didn't say her name, but 84 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 3: he's just like, what what do you mean cold on cold? 85 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 3: You've been and broke the cold? You were a Mexican. 86 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 3: First of all, my wife ain't Mexican. She's Guatemalan. She's 87 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 3: that's a different, that's completely different. She's Latina. 88 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 2: But as soon as he said. 89 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: That, bro. 90 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 3: Started, my wife started balling BRO. And then from there 91 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 3: that's when I just went on a tear. I did 92 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 3: you know, you gotta do your research, Dre. You gotta 93 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 3: know what you're up against. And then I'm looking at 94 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 3: his career, I'm watching him fight, and I'm like, I 95 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 3: can beat this bump. 96 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 2: I can beat this dude. 97 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 3: I don't care for he one hundred and seventy five pounds. 98 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 3: I fought bigger gods my entire career, you know what 99 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 3: I'm saying. I'm like, Okay, he three years out of 100 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 3: the game. 101 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: I'm nine years out of game. Oh I get in shape. 102 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 3: But I was like, he ain't got no chin you know, 103 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 3: he in him won the World Championship, you know what 104 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 3: I'm saying. 105 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: And so I just went on. 106 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 3: This major rant, bro, and uh, let him know two 107 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 3: for one, the two for one. Yeah, Hey, I'll fight 108 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 3: you and Jake Paul in the same night. 109 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: You stay. 110 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 3: They make their own rules in the game, bro, because 111 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 3: they got the money. They make their own rules. So 112 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 3: all right, I'm I'm gonna fight you, Javonte Davis. You're 113 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 3: I'm one hundred, I'm two hundred pounds. But I want 114 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 3: to get in the ring with you because it's gonna 115 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 3: generate a lot of money in a lot of buzz, 116 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And then he's screaming, aback. 117 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 3: He on the World Championship. He rated in the top ten, Like, bro, 118 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 3: come on, bro, you get out of here with that 119 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 3: fake stuff. 120 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 2: And that's just me. 121 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. And I know Drake, I know, 122 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 3: like you know, you do your business, you do your job, 123 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 3: and I know how you are, you know, But me, 124 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 3: I'm gonna speak my mind. I'm gonna don't keep it 125 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 3: one honey, man, J Paul is for Gayzy. He's fake. 126 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 3: That's how you feel, truly feel how bust him up. 127 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 2: And his trainer in the same night. 128 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,799 Speaker 1: Two for one. That's a call two for one, specially 129 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: it right here. 130 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 3: You see, you see me, you see how I'm thinking. 131 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: I'm thinking leaning in the last time, I said, I 132 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: gotta say that. 133 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 3: A lot dinner, you know what I mean? And he 134 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 3: got my blood boiling, bro I don't. 135 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: I don't know details, but but but have you gotten 136 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: any response from that an if any phone calls, any 137 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: any conversation. 138 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 2: It's funny. 139 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 3: I gotta I got a phone call last week from 140 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 3: Jay Leon Love. He was just like, oh you said direct, 141 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 3: oh direct. I don't know how he got my number, 142 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 3: but you know, Fox is a small world, and you can, 143 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 3: you know you can, you can. But anyways, he called 144 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 3: me up. He started woofling, We're going back and forth. 145 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 3: I don't know if he recorded the conversation or not. 146 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: You always got to anticipation record, but I'm. 147 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 2: Just letting you know. 148 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 3: I went off, you know what I mean, And I 149 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 3: went back and forth and a couple of things said. 150 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 3: But he called me up and was like, you only 151 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 3: get you get me, right, And I go, well, I 152 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 3: want you and your. 153 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 2: Trainer, I mean you and your fighter. 154 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 3: And he goes, well, you got to go through me first, 155 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, that's easy. I'll go through you, 156 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 3: but you make sure when you do, send a contract, 157 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 3: send the contract having him added on the back end 158 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 3: of that. So I want to see how real and 159 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 3: seriously would you say? Two days ago pass he called. 160 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 3: He calls me again and he goes, you only get me. 161 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: And I go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 162 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 2: I won't. 163 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 3: I want Jakie Jake. I want fake Jake too. I 164 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 3: want you, I want you dirty man. I want you 165 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 3: dirty man, and I want. 166 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 2: Jake Paul too. 167 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, Faki Jake, both of y'all, same night, five rounds of. 168 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: Yeah like this. Yeah. 169 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 3: So So with that being said, man, he was just like, 170 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 3: you only get me. I'm like, no, it got to 171 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 3: be a two for one or no deal at all. Bro. 172 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 3: I can smash you. You easy work, and I could 173 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 3: smash him too. 174 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 2: So make it happen. 175 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: Do what you need to do. 176 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 3: Make it happen. So haven't you know he called me? Well, 177 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 3: he called me a few days ago. I was out 178 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 3: of town or whatever. 179 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: I didn't have time for him. 180 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 3: And yeah, he trying to man me answer my phone 181 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 3: when I'm calling you that type of stuff. Bro. Come on, bro, 182 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 3: come on, bro. Still ain't got no phone call back. 183 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 3: You know what I mean. Still ain't got to see 184 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 3: the contract, answer my phone call. I even saw him, 185 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 3: he bro, I even said, hey, I even sent you 186 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 3: my email. You think I'm playing. I ain't playing, you 187 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 3: know you? He thought I was bluffing when I said 188 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 3: what I was gonna say today, I'll smack him in 189 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 3: Jake Paul, I'm my bluffing. 190 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 2: I'm serious as hell. 191 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: Bro, he says in the contract. Man, I think we 192 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: both speak our mind. I just think that you got 193 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: a machine gun and I'm a sniper dog. I don't 194 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: like wasting those shots. No for facts, I think with you, 195 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: you got a anybody around and getting hit. 196 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: I gotta oozy. 197 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: I think that's just the difference. Yeah, take me back 198 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: to you know, in your early years in Palm Springs, Man, 199 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: I had never heard of Palm Springs, California until I 200 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: started going to Southern California for you know, state championships, 201 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: all these different things I had never heard. I kept 202 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: hearing about this kid, Tim Bradley, Tim Palm. I don't 203 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: know what Palm Springs was. What was early Palm Springs 204 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: like for Tim Bradley. 205 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 2: Well, for me, I lived in the north side of 206 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 2: Palm Springs. 207 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 3: It's not like the you know themackling, beautiful, rich side 208 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 3: of Palm Springs. 209 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: It sounds nice, though spring. 210 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 3: Oh, it does sound nice. But you know wherever that yeah, yeah, exactly, 211 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 3: it's called Gateway and North Palm Springs. Grew up there. 212 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 3: My remember, we got to remember my dad is from Louisiana, 213 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 3: my mom from Mississippi. They met there, you know, and 214 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 3: I was raised in this little, small, little little town, uh, 215 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 3: North Palm Springs, around you know, drugs, gangs, you know, 216 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 3: the usual typical stuff, urban stuff. My dad, you know, 217 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 3: of course, he was hard working man, you know, disciplined us. 218 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 3: My mother as well, stay home mom. You know, she 219 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 3: was a dismalery as well. You know, oh my mom 220 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 3: was trill with that day. 221 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: A lot of moms doing your career here here and there, 222 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: but more so pop. 223 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: Up with that belt earlier. 224 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 225 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, See, that's what's missing in the world. Them butt 226 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 3: whoopers is missing them? Can I curse them? Is what's 227 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 3: missing the world? Oh yeah, Oh, that's what's missing. You know, 228 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 3: people that be talking reckless and stuff. They should get 229 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 3: hit in the mouth. That's missing the world, you know 230 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 3: what I mean. But everybody's quick to just jump to 231 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 3: the gun. But anyways, back to back to the Palm 232 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 3: Springs life. Man, So I was just again, I grew 233 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 3: up in a rough area. Man. It was either I 234 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 3: had to be the bully and fight and fight my 235 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 3: battles or the kids in the neighborhoods gonn bully me. 236 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 3: So you know, I chose to beat a bully. And 237 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 3: I remember early on, I got kicked out of school 238 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 3: in second grade. Man, I think just thinking about that, 239 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 3: think about that second grade you memb, when your kid 240 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 3: was the second grade, what he was doing. 241 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: Kicked out of second grade is kind of crazy. It's crazy. 242 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 3: Kicked out of school. Look, kicked out of school in 243 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 3: second grade. 244 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 2: Man, I fought. 245 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: Every day, Like got kicked out from fighting. 246 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I got you know what, I actually got 247 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 3: beat up. It wasn't really I got choked out, yeah yeah, 248 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 3: but that's probably worse than get yeah. Well yeah, well 249 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 3: he did. He almost hurted my LIFs out. 250 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: Man. 251 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 3: But I tell you this, man, My what ended up 252 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 3: happening was my dad came and speaks to spoke to 253 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 3: the principal, and my dad was like, this kid was 254 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 3: bigger than my son. 255 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 2: He was a fifth grader. You know. 256 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 3: I was sitting in his seat on the bus and 257 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 3: when he got there, he wanted his seat all to himself, 258 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 3: and I'm like, man, I ain't getting up, I ain't 259 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 3: moving in the fifth grade. To grabbed me by the 260 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 3: neck and started choking me. Right, So my dad had 261 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 3: a little confrontation with the principal and my dad said, 262 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 3: well how about I choke you out? And then the 263 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 3: principal was like, you and your son toblado, So we 264 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 3: had to go. So we had to go. Then I 265 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 3: got kicked out of fourth grade too for fighting. Just 266 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 3: I went to a school where it was mostly Latinos 267 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 3: and Latinos, you know, wasn't a. 268 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,719 Speaker 2: Lot of people like my you know, my color there. 269 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 3: So you know, a lot of racism, a lot of 270 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 3: you know, racist jokes, allwed to deal with a lot, 271 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 3: you know. So I was constantly defending myself, my sisters 272 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 3: and stuff, and so you know, I got expelled out 273 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 3: of that school, and then I went to school by 274 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 3: my neighborhood, and you know, it was my last straw. 275 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 3: They basically said, if I don't act right, then you know, 276 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 3: they're going to expel me out of the entire district. And 277 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 3: then I would have to go to La County to 278 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 3: go to school the entire Riverside County, so I would 279 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 3: have been except spelled out of the whole district. So 280 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 3: they put me over there with my friends. You know, 281 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 3: I had a little aid that was next to me 282 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 3: all the time, made sure I was being being watched 283 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 3: and stuff. And I discovered boxing sixth grade, right right 284 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 3: in the midst of sixth grade. 285 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 2: My friend was doing it, and we used to always 286 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 2: slap box and stuff. 287 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 3: And I was always a fighter athletic, and you know, 288 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 3: I begged my dad for about two months, you know, 289 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 3: to take me. My dad was a security guard at 290 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 3: Pons Springs High School at the time. And plus he 291 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 3: worked at the airport and across the street was a 292 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 3: boxing club, so my mom would go pick up my dad. 293 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 3: That was when I used to beg them all the time. Dad, 294 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 3: take me to the gym, Take me to the gym. 295 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 3: And he finally was like, all right, I'll take you 296 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 3: to the gym. You know, he was like, but only 297 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 3: on one condition. If you like it, you can't quit. 298 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 3: I said, okay, bet So when I walked into the gym, 299 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 3: just like this, this gym right here, man, seeing the 300 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 3: bags hanging up his stuff, bro, I was like, man, 301 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 3: what do you do with that? The smell, everything, it 302 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 3: was everything. Pitchers all over the wall, just like this, 303 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 3: but just with champions all over the wall. Was fantastic, man, 304 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 3: And I felt like I was at home. 305 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: Your father, he was a second generation football player. He 306 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: actually wanted you to be a third generation football player, 307 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: but I read until the boxing came in, so he 308 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: was kind of like trying to figure that out. Yeah, true. 309 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, So my dad played football in high school. He 310 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 3: wanted me to play football, but once Boxton came along, 311 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 3: Dre and he saw how talented. 312 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: That I was. 313 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, then he kept me away from football. 314 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 2: Tackle football. 315 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: Really. 316 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, my dad kept me away. 317 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 3: He allowed me to play flag football, but when it 318 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 3: comes to tackle, he was just like high school came around. 319 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: He's just like why. 320 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 3: Because he said that everybody knows me in our area 321 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 3: and they're gonna target me, and what they're gonna target, 322 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 3: they're gonna try to hurt me. And if they're gonna 323 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 3: target my knees, he was like, you different. They know 324 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 3: you going somewhere, they know you're talented, so you know 325 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 3: they got to hit out on you. Everybody's gonna want 326 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 3: to hurt you. So he was just like, I'm not 327 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 3: gonna allow that to happen. And he was like and 328 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 3: plus you small, I know you strong. He was just like, 329 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 3: where are you gonna go from there? You think you're 330 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 3: gonna go to the NFL go play? Nah, I wasn't. 331 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 3: I wasn't book savvy. I wasn't you know what I mean. 332 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 3: I did what I had to do the past school. 333 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 3: You know, I wasn't the smartest worm out there, you know, 334 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 3: but I was athletic and boxing was my calling. 335 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: And the first time I saw you as a kid, 336 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: You've always been a man child. You always had the physique, 337 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: always had the physique like Tim Grawdley had the muscles. 338 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: How did you build that physique? How much of that 339 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: was natural? And how much of that was you and 340 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: your father building that in the garage and at the gym. 341 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 3: It was my dad early on man making me earn everything. 342 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 3: And he used to make me earn everything with doing calisthetics, 343 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 3: push ups and pull ups, and you know, I wanted 344 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 3: a motorcycle. So it was a friend of mine that 345 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 3: got a motorcycle in a neighborhood. And then another friend 346 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 3: of mine got a motorcycle, you know, and I'm like, man, 347 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 3: I need me and motorcycle. But my dad was like, 348 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 3: and I was five years old, he was like, you're 349 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 3: too weak, You're not strong enough to handle it. 350 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 2: That the power, you. 351 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 3: Know, he wanted to got wanted a little fifty, a 352 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 3: little singer. And so he was just like, every day, 353 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 3: I need a hundred push ups and a hundred sit 354 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 3: ups every single day, every day every day as soon 355 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 3: as I come home from work, I'm right there. I 356 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 3: got to the point where I could do one hundred. 357 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 3: I'm five years old. I could do one hundred push 358 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 3: ups non stop and a hundred sit ups non stop. 359 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 3: Just flip over, boom, hundred boom, flip back over to 360 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 3: one hundred. 361 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 2: Push ups easy, like nothing. 362 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 3: Sixth grade, well six years old around I will say December, 363 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 3: around December time, I was just about to turn six, 364 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 3: you know, in August, coming up, that name, that August, 365 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 3: but well still that still was five. But I had 366 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 3: two motorcycles sitting in the living room, you know, I 367 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 3: had an eighty and I had a fifty. 368 00:15:58,200 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 2: But I had to earn it. 369 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 3: So from there then my dad did powerlifting, and you know, 370 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 3: he would always lift weights, and so I used to 371 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 3: always wanted to be with him. 372 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 2: So I started lifting weights at like eight. 373 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: Years old in the garage. 374 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 3: Nah, this is at the high school, Okay, Yeah, So 375 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 3: my dad worked security at the high school. So and 376 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 3: he worked again at the airport on the weekends as 377 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 3: a skycap. So during after school he would stay and 378 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 3: he would lift weights. 379 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 2: That was his program. 380 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 3: He would have, you know, other athletes come in. 381 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 2: He used to train him and stuff. 382 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 3: And so I used to tell my mom, may I 383 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 3: want to go with my dad. I want to be 384 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 3: with him, And he started showing me how to lift 385 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 3: weights at eight years old. So I had to push 386 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 3: ups on deck early on push ups, on deck, early 387 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 3: on pull ups, dips. 388 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 2: Then from there then we yeah, the. 389 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 3: Gym, you know, learn how to bench press, learn how 390 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 3: to you know, squat, so on and so forth. So 391 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 3: you know, naturally built my body up man to to 392 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 3: what it is today. 393 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: Man, you're one of the only guys that I've seen 394 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: in a sport of boxing that can have a physique 395 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: like that and still have volume punch with volume. Most guys, 396 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 1: you know, like they're gonna be tired third or fourth round. 397 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: They're not gonna throw a lot of punches. They're just 398 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: gonna look for a big shot, and you would like 399 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: the opposite. How were you able to keep that punch 400 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: volume going with that kind of muscularity. 401 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 2: Well, it was just Dre. 402 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 3: It's all about cardio man conditioning, stammina. You know, I 403 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 3: like to work in my aerobic system. A lot of 404 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 3: people don't really understand that. So I'm going long periods 405 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 3: of time. So a lot of guys they'll do forty 406 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 3: five minutes of running, Dre, I'll do two hours of running, 407 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 3: you know, two hours. You know, because I'm working my 408 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 3: I need to work these muscles and condition them to 409 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 3: be able to have that longevity late in the fight. 410 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 3: You know, likes you say, having all these muscles, man, 411 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 3: you know, it takes a lot of oxygen to run 412 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 3: these muscles, right. 413 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 2: But for me swimming. 414 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 3: Long runs, you know, sprint work, inter roadwork. You know, 415 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 3: I made sure my conditioning was up to like tip 416 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 3: top notch because I was always coordin everybody. I wasn't 417 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 3: the most skillful guy out there. I was very taxy 418 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 3: savvy and I could read film, you know what I mean. 419 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 3: I can see guys's weaknesses on. 420 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 2: Film and I knew like what they didn't like. 421 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 3: So, you know, but my cardio, my condition and my 422 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 3: determination man won me a lot of the fights, bro. 423 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 3: And just again studying film and knowing what I'm up 424 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 3: against and knowing the other fighters weaknesses and knowing their strengths, 425 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 3: and just continue to push, you know, and push forward 426 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 3: in the areas where they were weak. You know, they 427 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 3: might cover it up for a minute, but then I'll 428 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 3: go right back to it because I know it's a 429 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 3: weakness of this. 430 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 1: How did your mother feel about the box and when 431 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: it really started taking off that she was she afraid for? 432 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 1: She was all for. My mom was forward, So you 433 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: got one of the tough mothers. Yeah, she ain't like 434 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: my baby getting hit on a couple of miles. 435 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 3: My mom used to come to the gym, man, and 436 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 3: she didn't say nothing. 437 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 2: She used to sit outside. 438 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 3: Man, I'd be sparring and if I'm getting if I'm 439 00:18:54,880 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 3: getting hit, she started, I'll start clapping, yeah, like like 440 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 3: you better respond, right. My mom was hard, man, She 441 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 3: wasn't on one of those ones that like she looked. 442 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 3: There was a lot of people in the neighborhood, a 443 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 3: lot of mothers, a lot of fathers that thought, well, 444 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 3: my dad was doing we running at five thirty in 445 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 3: the morning on the street. Car following behind me, you know, 446 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 3: had loud music, headlights and I'm running and I'm four 447 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 3: foot five, you know what I mean. And I should 448 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 3: be in the bed. I should be in the bed sleep. 449 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 3: My mom was like, good, yeah, man, yeah, make a 450 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 3: man out of you, right, that's the only way you 451 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 3: can be to be the best, you gotta work son. 452 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 3: So my mom was always supportive, but at the same time, 453 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 3: she was hard on me, man, sometimes harder than my dad. 454 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 3: Really yeah, sometimes even harder my dad. 455 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: Man. Real. 456 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 3: My mom would tell me straight up, you got your 457 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 3: you got your ass really, Oh yeah, you got what happened? 458 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: You got your ass with today? 459 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 3: You know, my dad would be like, hey man, we 460 00:19:58,760 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 3: got work to do, you know. 461 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 2: But my mom was harder to do straight up, straight up. 462 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: I know your father was known. You know, they come 463 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 1: from the South, Like you said, he's known for being 464 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 1: anytime I've seen him, I don't care. Man, even as 465 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: an amateur, just hard knows. Who is your father? Timothy 466 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: Ray Bradley? Who is he? 467 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 2: Who is he? 468 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 3: He's the most disciplined man that I've ever met in 469 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 3: my life. 470 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 2: He's definitely my hero. 471 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 3: He's a guy that is loving, a guy that's very 472 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 3: supportive of his kids. 473 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 2: You know, he's tough. 474 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 3: He's all about discipline, right, discipline, discipline, discipline. This is 475 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 3: a man that still trains today in his garage and 476 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 3: he trains every single day like clockwork, all the way around. 477 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 3: Still today, you know, again, the most disciplined person. I'm like, man, 478 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 3: you ain't never done no time, dad? Yeah, I mean, 479 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 3: come on every day dad, you know. But my dad 480 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 3: is all about principles, man, principles. He's all about, you know, morals, 481 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 3: having good morals. Since he's not about no foolishness, at all. 482 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 2: And it's crazy. 483 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 3: I my father turned out because he didn't have his 484 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 3: father's Yeah, my dad didn't have his father man, and 485 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 3: so at all at all. Man, his dad was in 486 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 3: and out. And I'm talking about a big family. I'm 487 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 3: talking about a family of like eleven, you know, and 488 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,239 Speaker 3: his father wasn't around. He was in and out. And 489 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 3: his father had another family that he would spend time 490 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 3: with those kids, but they wouldn't spend time with his 491 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 3: own kids. 492 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, unreal. 493 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 3: You know, he had a stepfather that he was able 494 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 3: to learn some things from. 495 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: But not the same. 496 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 3: It's not the same. But I would say this, he 497 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 3: made a vow to himself, like, Hey, when I do 498 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 3: have my kids, or do have my son, I know 499 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 3: how that felt not to have a father show up 500 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 3: to my game, you know. So my dad always made 501 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 3: it a thing. Hey, it don't matter what i'm doing, 502 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 3: I'm dropping whatever i'm doing and I'm gonna be at 503 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 3: that game. 504 00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 2: You know, I'm gonna get off early from work and. 505 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 3: I'm gonna be at that game supporting my son because 506 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 3: I know how it felt not to have a father there. 507 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: So that's always a blessing when you see a man 508 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 1: who did not have his father, instead of repeating that that, 509 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: you know, sort of generational thing, you know, to the 510 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: next generation and following those footsteps, going the opposite direction, saying, 511 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: now I'm not gonna be like him in that way. 512 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure I'm there for mine because you know, 513 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: it's a lot of it's a lot of men out 514 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: there that they didn't have the example, so they do 515 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: what they saw. Yeah they're absentee, they're not there, yep. 516 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: And I could see that the impact that that's had 517 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: on you because you know, that's one of your crowning moments. 518 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 1: You talk about your kids all the time. You're very 519 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 1: open about your relationship with your kid. And I can't 520 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: do this. I got soccer, just all the stuff. So 521 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: it's a blessing to see that man. Type of dude 522 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: was Tim Bradley in high school? 523 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 3: Man? 524 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: Was you beating people up? Was you a bully? 525 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 2: Was I was a little bit more you already do? 526 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 3: I mean, you had a couple of guys that try 527 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 3: to test you whatever, then once you slap them up 528 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 3: a little bit in the locker room, they calmed down. 529 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 3: But nah, I was a known commodity man. Yeah, I 530 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 3: was driven and people do where I was headed. And 531 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 3: I was a serious cat and I wasn't one of 532 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 3: those guys. I was out partying and stuff like that. Man, 533 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 3: there's a lot of you know, kids that feel like 534 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 3: they missing out, you know, early on, and you know, 535 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 3: I was just staying focused, grinding. 536 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 2: You know. 537 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 3: I didn't get crazy until I left the home. When 538 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 3: I left home because I was my dad was so strict. 539 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 3: My parents were so strict, man. Pops wasn't budget ah, Man, 540 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 3: No parties, none of that. No, you can't do that, 541 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 3: none of that. 542 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: You know. 543 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 3: It was always boxing twenty four to seven, you know, 544 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 3: and you know I appreciate it now today, you know. 545 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 3: But what comes with that also is is that when 546 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 3: you don't give a little leeway, then. 547 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 2: When they get out there on their own. 548 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 3: They might try it. They might try a little this, 549 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 3: try a little that. 550 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 1: Man. You know. 551 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 2: But you know, I know, I know you've been through it. 552 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 3: I read your story and you know senior story as well, Dre. 553 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 3: But yeah, I think I think we've all got our stories, 554 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 3: you know, and things that we've gone through. 555 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 1: Talk a little bit more about that, because I talked 556 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 1: to Roy about that. To Roy, Roy Jones talks about, 557 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: you know, just losing basically his relationship with his father, 558 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: and his father just he like, man, I'm okay with 559 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: you staying on me, but the way you stayed on me, 560 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: and he said, you wouldn't on my sisters like that. 561 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: You was just on me. And then for Roy turned 562 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 1: from just having a hard nosed father to get in abus. 563 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:21,479 Speaker 1: You know, you don't do right in the gym. You're 564 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: getting hit with sticks and getting hit with belts and stuff. 565 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: So that's extreme. But talk a little bit more about 566 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: the losing the childhood type of thing, because I'm toring 567 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: on this right, Like, I look at some of the 568 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: stuff I missed out on it, and I'm like, I 569 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: probably should have missed out on that. But then to 570 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: your point, it's I probably should have had a little 571 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: bit more leeway because then I started to rebel at 572 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: a certain point, like, man, I'm gone, I'm not I 573 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: didn't care. I said I didn't care about boxing. Yeah, 574 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: I didn't care about the Olympics because this is all 575 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 1: I do every day. What's the balance? Can you be 576 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: a great world champion in the Hall of Famer without 577 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: living like that? Is it a balance with a sport 578 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: like boxing. 579 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 3: Look, man, I think there's balance that needs to be 580 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 3: balanced to everything. I definitely feel like so even I'll 581 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 3: give you an example, even when I was out there 582 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 3: in the street and I was partying and stuff. When 583 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 3: I you know, went off to college and went up 584 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 3: to Michigan and stuff like that, Man. 585 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 2: Like, boxing still came first. 586 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 3: So I would prioritize my boxing because that was just 587 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 3: was instilled in me. I had to work, I had 588 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 3: to run, and you know, if I'm out there partying, 589 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 3: I still got to sacrifice, and I still got to 590 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 3: get up, you know, five in the morning and go 591 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 3: run with the team and do what I have to do. 592 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 2: I got to pay the consequences for that. 593 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:36,199 Speaker 3: So you know, but yeah, I think I think balance 594 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 3: is needed, man, And I think each individual is different. 595 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 3: So that might work for me, but it might not 596 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 3: work for you. You know, you might need a little 597 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 3: bit more freedom, you know, or a little bit more 598 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 3: trust sometimes. You know, when you're young, it's just like 599 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 3: we thinking like, yo, you don't trust me, you don't 600 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 3: trust me, you don't trust me, and we parents, we 601 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 3: kind of like become these helicopter parents were you know, 602 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 3: we don't we don't allow them to do certain things, man, 603 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 3: and that's when they start rebelling, you know. But if 604 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 3: you can have an open relationship and communicate, I think, 605 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 3: I think that anything is possible. 606 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 2: That's what's with my kids now. 607 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 3: I'm not like super strict on my kids, you know, 608 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 3: but I'm to a point and to a degree, it's like, hey, 609 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you a little leeway. 610 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 2: And they understand the plan. 611 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 3: So like my daughter's in high school now and I'm like, hey, look, 612 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 3: you get one social media, you know, outlet just pick one. 613 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 3: You know, next year you might get two, you know, 614 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 3: but we're gonna give it. Give you a little bit 615 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 3: of leeway, you know, a little bit at a time, 616 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 3: so you understand how to handle it. But the minute 617 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,880 Speaker 3: I start to see your grades starting to drop, then 618 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 3: it's like, hey, you know what I'm saying, it's at you. 619 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 2: It all boils down to you and what you're doing. 620 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 3: The minute I stop seeing you working hard out there 621 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,360 Speaker 3: on the soccer field, you know, then we're gonna start 622 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 3: pulling stuff away. 623 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 2: So that's it. 624 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 3: But I would say balances, balance. 625 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,160 Speaker 2: Is always great, man. 626 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 3: You know, if you want to be great, you're gonna 627 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 3: have to sacrifice a little bit more than an average teenager. 628 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 3: You know, you might be missing feel like you're missing out. 629 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 3: But at the same time, man, you got to think 630 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 3: about your future and where you're gonna end up and 631 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 3: where you want to go because trust me, when you 632 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 3: get to that level, man, it's well worth it, bro 633 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 3: from every aspect. 634 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: And I was crying and whining when I was a 635 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: kid it couldn't go certain places. But I ain't crying 636 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: now now I got the whole vision. I see what 637 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: my dad and my coach was doing. I get it. Yeah, 638 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: and I'm thankful man, Yeah. 639 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 3: Me to. 640 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 1: But it is a sacrifice though. You give up a 641 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: lot man to do this. 642 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, absolutely, you give up a lot, but you 643 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 3: know it gives you a lot of return when you 644 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 3: do it right. 645 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: Get the King's ransom. Man to do something you've been 646 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: doing since you've been a kid. 647 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:52,719 Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, But it's crazy, Drake because like even some 648 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 3: people even find themselves doing everything right and still ain't 649 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 3: good enough. 650 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 2: It's true too, you know, maybe did. 651 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 3: Not talented enough, Maybe it's the wrong time, and maybe 652 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 3: that's not what God wanted for them, you know what 653 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 3: I'm saying. So, like, you know, there's not there's not 654 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 3: a one one There's not one thing. 655 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 2: To fix, all right. 656 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 3: You know, I think everybody's different and everybody's path is different, man, 657 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 3: and you just got. 658 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 2: To find what work for you. 659 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 3: How hard my dad was on me, I can't be 660 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 3: hard like that on my kids, right. You gotta know, 661 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 3: you gotta know, you read the room, right, know what 662 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 3: you're dealing with. So I try to come from a 663 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 3: different perspective and how to try to motivate my kids 664 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 3: and keep them thinking. You know, one of the things 665 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 3: that my dad would do was he would always he 666 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 3: would always help me, or he taught me how to 667 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 3: self motivate, you know, how to self motivate myself. So 668 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 3: like when I'm out training and stuff and I'm by myself, 669 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 3: I'm basically it's me against me, it's you and you, 670 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 3: it's me against me. But then when I need a 671 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 3: little extra boost, I'm like, I'm thinking about the other 672 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 3: person across the all, across the big you know, the 673 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 3: big pond, doing the same thing I'm doing right now. 674 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, I'm gonna. 675 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 3: Let that person out work me, you know, No, let 676 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 3: me get a little bit more in, you know, let 677 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 3: me let me go past him. So that's just it, man. 678 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: Man. We crossed past a lot in the amateurs, man, 679 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: because you know, you southern California. I'm northern, and we 680 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: would have to go through that region to get to 681 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: the nationals. So any national we wanted to go to, 682 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: we had to go to SoCal And Man, you beat 683 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: my brother. 684 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 3: Man, I'll beat you too. 685 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: We're gonna get to that. That's the next question. But 686 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: you beat my brother, Man. I think it was probably 687 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: like ninety five or something like that, ninety six something 688 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: like that. 689 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 2: He taked too. 690 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: Bro. I was so mad. Bro. I was crying, Bro, 691 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: because it was y'all had one of the last fights 692 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: of the tournament. It was to determine who goes on 693 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: to the nationals. Man, you beat my brother. But but 694 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: I got a chance to fight you a year or 695 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: two later at the Blue One Goal Tournament in Baldwin Park, California. Man, 696 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: you man, just tell the truth and tell me what happened. 697 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,479 Speaker 3: Man. You had come on, bro, come on, man, you 698 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 3: had you know you had, you know, you had your 699 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 3: auntie as a judge. Man, you want you one to 700 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 3: to one to one. But yeah, yeah, yeah, but I 701 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 3: was the fight though, it was we rumbling. Oh it was. 702 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 3: I wish we had the tape. Man, I don't even 703 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 3: know I got bro. I'm telling you like I've gone 704 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 3: back probably like I want to say, fifteen years ago, 705 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 3: and I saw the tape, but I don't know where 706 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 3: it is. 707 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 2: My dad has it. I think he has it. 708 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: Man, anybody to unearth that tape, man, please don't have to. 709 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 3: But I'll just tell you this. 710 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: Dre. 711 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 3: Dre was one was one of the most talented fighters. Man. 712 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying this because it is. 713 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 3: You know how high I'm on you, Bro, He was 714 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 3: one of the most talented fighters that I've ever been 715 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 3: in the ring with, honest to god truth. Like, what 716 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 3: I remember most was was how because I put pressure 717 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 3: on you was list I'm talking about pressure. I'm talking 718 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 3: about eating shots, still swinging. Don't give a damn. Let 719 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 3: me give you a quick backstory on why I fought 720 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 3: you the way I fought you. I lost my trainer 721 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 3: a week require a week prior to that tournament, so 722 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 3: and I watched him take his last breath, so oj 723 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 3: rest in peace, and I was angry. 724 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 2: And so when I. 725 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,239 Speaker 3: Went in there and I fought, and I fought you. 726 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 3: You know I came in with all that conviction and 727 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 3: all that pain. 728 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: Now that makes sense because you did fight angry. 729 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah angry, and you know by boxing one 730 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 3: on one, you're not supposed to fight angry football. Football 731 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 3: is an emotional sport. You can you can be angry 732 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 3: out there boxing. The more angrier you get, the more 733 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 3: exposed you are. You know, there was moments where I 734 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,959 Speaker 3: do remember a bunch of yours that you had still today. 735 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 3: That dan left hook, that check left hook was me. Yeah, 736 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 3: especially in that fight. But other than that, I felt 737 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 3: like I'll work you, Dre. I felt like I work 738 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 3: it out. Yeah, but you know, hey, I'll let you 739 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 3: have that. I'll let you have that. 740 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: I'm aroun with it. I'll let you have that. But 741 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you this ie some flowers too. Man. 742 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: That's probably one of the hardest fights I've ever been 743 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: in in my life, and I've been at every level. 744 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: It's just a relentlessness, like you just you just kept 745 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: coming forward and it's like I'm hitting you with shots 746 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: and you just it's just the intensity, Like you can 747 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: feel a fighter's intensity and no words have to be spoken, 748 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: but you can feel like Man, this dude ain't slowing down. 749 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: This dude's is not letting up. That was one of 750 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: the hardest fights I've ever been in. 751 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 3: You know. 752 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: I had to really work, man to get that. And 753 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: it's one of them fights that you know, everybody comes 754 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: to the around the ring because they know, like when 755 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: we coming up, you know, everybody knows who's who. You 756 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: got good fighters, and you got them ones, and we 757 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: both with one of them ones, and everybody was looking 758 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: forward to that, man, So you know it's I always 759 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: remember that. Bro. Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, take take 760 00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: me back to that. I don't remember y'all. Yo, you 761 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: turned pro in two thousand and four. I don't remember 762 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: your Olympic Trials Olympic box office run. Did you try 763 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: to go. 764 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 3: To the Olympics? Tried? I tried. 765 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 2: I lost in the Western Trials. 766 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: The Western Trials. 767 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I got robbed, man. I got robbed in Jersey. Man, Oh, dude, 768 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 3: robbed in Jersey. 769 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 2: I almost I almost hung up the gloves bro. In Jersey. 770 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 3: It was a I want to say it was the 771 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 3: I don't know what in the US Championships it was, 772 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 3: the was a qualifying tournament. I think it was the 773 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 3: Power it might have been a Power Nationals qualifying tournament, 774 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 3: and I was getting ready to go in the semi 775 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 3: finals for one of these guys I forget his name before. 776 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 3: I think he was in the Army. He's from the army, 777 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 3: and getting the last round. We even this was when 778 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 3: the point system was there. We even going in the 779 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 3: last round. So that same relentless that I brought to you, 780 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 3: I brought to this man and I bagged him up, 781 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 3: had him against the roast the whole time. 782 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 2: The bell rang. 783 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 3: Miraculously, the computer stopped working, so they had to go paper, 784 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 3: and then they went paper, and then they jobbed me 785 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:09,280 Speaker 3: on the paper. 786 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: Right. 787 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 3: I believe Rondell Mason ended up winning that tournament. And 788 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 3: I beat Rondell Mason already beat him twice, so I 789 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,800 Speaker 3: would have seen him in the finals. Yeah, and I 790 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 3: would have smacked him again. But yeah, So after that, 791 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:27,919 Speaker 3: you know, I was disappointed. 792 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:29,919 Speaker 2: I was upset. My mother wasn't there. 793 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 3: I called my mother up and was talking to her 794 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 3: and I was just like, man, I'm done with this, 795 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 3: you know, like every time I get to the top, 796 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 3: they want to cheat me. 797 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 2: You remember what. 798 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 3: I don't know if you were there, but I fought 799 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 3: against Wyan McPherson up in Vegas that Caesars. I heard 800 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 3: him there. 801 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 2: I smacked I smacked him, Oh oh yeah, destroyed. 802 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 3: Them, dropped them several times during the fight. I beat 803 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 3: his ass. Yeah, period, and they gave it to him again. 804 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 3: Something happened to the computer now they got go to 805 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,319 Speaker 3: paper scoring and they. 806 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 2: Took the fight from me. 807 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 3: So I've had multiple times where you know, that would 808 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 3: happen to me. I just felt like I couldn't carry over, 809 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 3: like I couldn't get a break. So I was like, man, 810 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 3: I'm done with this man. You know, I'm in the 811 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 3: walking out and I'm in the lobby waiting on everybody 812 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 3: to come down. And a lady at the front desk 813 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 3: she saw on me over there. I was pouting and stuff, man, upset, 814 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 3: and she was just like, what's wrong with you? 815 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 2: It's old black lady. 816 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,240 Speaker 3: I was like, man, I lost, and she was just like, okay, 817 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 3: all right, she was. I was like, I'm done with 818 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 3: this man. I ain't gonna fight no more. I'm done. 819 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 3: And she was just like, what do you mean you done? 820 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 3: And I was like I'm done. I don't want to 821 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 3: do this anymore. You know, every time I every time I, 822 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 3: you know, do my absolute best, they always find a 823 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 3: way to take it from me. And she was just like, 824 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 3: she's just baby. She was like, that's life, that's life. 825 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,399 Speaker 3: And she was like, but you got to understand that 826 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 3: if you quit right now, you will never get what 827 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 3: God has in store for you. She was like, you 828 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 3: going through this for a reason, and you got to 829 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 3: understand that He's building you for something greater. And I 830 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 3: looked at her and I was just like, okay, okay, 831 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 3: and I believed her because my mom was full of 832 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 3: my mom full of faith, still church going. 833 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 2: I was raised up in the church too, man, you know. 834 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,880 Speaker 2: But it hit me, you know, it hit me a 835 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:37,479 Speaker 2: certain way. 836 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,879 Speaker 3: And so I went to the Western Trials and that's 837 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 3: when I met Vonaz for the first time. Vanaz, the 838 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 3: one that actually went to the Olympics, beat there everybody 839 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 3: out right. 840 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 1: Nobody knew him at that time. Came out of nowhere. 841 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 3: He was he was a jo yeah fifty two, so 842 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 3: he came out of the middle of nowhere. 843 00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 2: Nobody had no film on him, nobody. 844 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 3: I had no who this kid was, but I knew 845 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 3: he was quick, he was very athletic, and he hit 846 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 3: hard right. I get in the ring with him and 847 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 3: he had some hyke on him and he knew how 848 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 3: to use it, and he beat me in the Western finals. Man, 849 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 3: and that was it. That was my Olympic run. It 850 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 3: was crushed right there. 851 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: Man. 852 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 3: I took a few months off and was thinking about. 853 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 3: I was thinking about. I was like, should I go pro? 854 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,319 Speaker 2: Should or not? I wasn't sure, you know. 855 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 3: And I got my little break because nobody, you know, 856 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 3: when you if you don't make it to the Olympics. Man, 857 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 3: ain't nobody really looking at you, bro, you know, and 858 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 3: it's not really like it's not like they give you 859 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 3: a role map to get a promoter to look at 860 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 3: you or a manager manager, you know. So I was 861 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 3: sitting out there, a talented fighter and nowhere to go. 862 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 2: I had no vision. 863 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 3: But one night I was out party it at a 864 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,280 Speaker 3: hotel myself, and that's. 865 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 2: Why I met tops at boxing. 866 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,360 Speaker 3: As I was walking out, I saw the shirts and 867 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 3: I was like boxing y'all boxing promoters and he was 868 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 3: like yeah, And I was like. 869 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 2: Well, I'm a fighter. I was a fighter. Timber Sabod 870 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 2: named say over Timmy. He's like, no, I never heard 871 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 2: of you. Anyways. 872 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 3: I go okay, and he goes, you're not a fighter, 873 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 3: and I go, yes, I am. And so we had 874 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:31,360 Speaker 3: a few words and he was like, hit my hands. 875 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 3: Older gentleman, kind of heavy set, big belly. 876 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:36,320 Speaker 1: He was like, hit my hands. 877 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 3: So I was like, you sure, so you know, I'll 878 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 3: get to my stands. 879 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 2: And he smacks me in the face. 880 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,320 Speaker 3: And I'm like, bro, you told me to hit your hands. 881 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 3: He was like, see, you're not ready. You're not a fighter. 882 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 3: And he smacks me again in the face and I'm like, 883 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 3: so did I bomb rush him? 884 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 1: Right? 885 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 3: And we basically slapping the hell out of each other, 886 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 3: and my cousin grabbed me or whatever pulled me off 887 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:02,320 Speaker 3: of and we go to the car. 888 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,880 Speaker 2: As we walk into the car, does a guy come toy. 889 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 2: His name is Mike. 890 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 3: Now he comes running out towards me and I'm like, 891 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 3: you want some too, He's like, no, here's here's my car. 892 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 3: My dad Thompson, he's the promoter. He was like, I 893 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 3: love your energy, man, I love that fierceness. Give us 894 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 3: a call. And so with that little card, I gave 895 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 3: it to my father man. And then when I decided 896 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,360 Speaker 3: to turn pro, found a pro coach with Joel Diaz 897 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 3: and then from there we call Thompson Boxing and that's 898 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 3: how Thompson Boxing was. 899 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: It Thompson Boxing and Top Rank. Initially was it a 900 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 1: co promotion. 901 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,880 Speaker 3: Or just Thompson It was just Thompson Boxing in the beginning. 902 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 2: Bro And then as. 903 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 3: As my contract, I fulfilled my contract after two and 904 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 3: a half years. Then it went with Gary Shaw. It 905 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,720 Speaker 3: collabed with Gary Shaw, Thompson and Gary. It was Thompson 906 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 3: and Gary. 907 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 1: When did the top rank come in the picture? And 908 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 1: why top rank? 909 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 3: So top rank came into the picture when I fulfilled 910 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 3: my abligations with Gary Shaw and Thompson Boxing, and I wanted, 911 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 3: you know, more money. 912 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 2: At that time, I had on. 913 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 3: I think the most money that I had made with 914 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 3: Gary Shaw. And I was already a unified world champion. 915 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,800 Speaker 3: I had unified the champions against unified the championship against 916 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,439 Speaker 3: Kendall Halt was three. 917 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,440 Speaker 2: Hundred and fifty thousand. That was it. 918 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 3: I mean, I was a unified champion. I had multiple 919 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 3: title defenses. I unified the championship my second my second 920 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:36,240 Speaker 3: title defense, and so and I you know, I was ranked, 921 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 3: you know, I was ranked, and I was getting closer 922 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,919 Speaker 3: to the pound for pound list already and what ended 923 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 3: up happening was I went to a Top Rank show 924 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:51,319 Speaker 3: and I was able to speak with them, you know, 925 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,200 Speaker 3: and at that time, no, they didn't know me at 926 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,799 Speaker 3: that time, but the only way I was able to get. 927 00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,320 Speaker 2: To them was was Stuugh Cameron Duncan. 928 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 3: So on the way up, Dre, then me give you 929 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:03,880 Speaker 3: a little backstory. On the way up, I didn't have 930 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,320 Speaker 3: a I didn't have a manager. I was believing everything 931 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:09,880 Speaker 3: that the promoter was telling me. 932 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: Bro. 933 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 2: I was naive. I didn't know the business, you know. 934 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 3: And you being a fighter now in what you know, 935 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 3: you know, that's exactly what the promoter wants. They want 936 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 3: you to not know the business and not know the 937 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,760 Speaker 3: numbers and know not know your your value. 938 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,320 Speaker 2: So sir, when I didn't. 939 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 3: Have that and the no disrespecting, no shape to anybody, 940 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 3: I'm just saying, it's speaking the truth, right. I'm like, 941 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,400 Speaker 3: when I got smart and I got with my wife, 942 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,720 Speaker 3: you know, she was like, hey, we need a manager. 943 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,520 Speaker 3: As soon as we got Cameron Duncan, that's when he 944 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,239 Speaker 3: opened the doors for Top Rank. And I was riding 945 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 3: around the town where being a mere khan was supposed 946 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 3: to fight. And this is why I didn't duck amer Khan. 947 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,799 Speaker 3: I didn't duck Amir Khan. And hey, mir Khan, you 948 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 3: can get this work too. You can be part of 949 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,839 Speaker 3: the two for one at three for one. 950 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 1: Put a mere con in there. 951 00:41:58,480 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 952 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:00,800 Speaker 1: Still I don't want a mirror. 953 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, I want you a mirror. 954 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,839 Speaker 1: No, you want smoke of everything walking, man, bro, these 955 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 1: hands still worked, right. 956 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 3: I left the game at thirty three, Bro, I still 957 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,800 Speaker 3: had fights still on my contract. 958 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 1: Bro. 959 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 3: I left the game because I was like, all right, 960 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,480 Speaker 3: I'm good. But you know that's how that's how I 961 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 3: got with top right, man. 962 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 2: You know, tell me. 963 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: About your wife, man, because y'all got married. Y'all were 964 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,319 Speaker 1: friends in high school, right, not really friends, you know 965 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:26,759 Speaker 1: each other. 966 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I used to just see her and 967 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 3: got in twenty ten. 968 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, but she been right there with all the boxing 969 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,799 Speaker 1: business and as well as the business as y'all got now. 970 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,279 Speaker 1: But you know she giving them promoters the blues. Man, 971 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 1: tell me about her impact on your life, just as 972 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 1: being your wife, but then also your business partner. 973 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,920 Speaker 3: She was exactly what I needed. I'm telling you right now. 974 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 3: If I didn't have my wife, I wouldn't be where 975 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:52,160 Speaker 3: I'm at today. 976 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:52,359 Speaker 1: Man. 977 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 2: Really, that's facts. That's facts. 978 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,759 Speaker 3: So when I was young, when I was younger, twenty three. 979 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,319 Speaker 3: I met him when I was twenty three years old. 980 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,919 Speaker 3: I was everywhere, bro, you know I was I knew 981 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 3: I wanted to do, but I didn't know how to 982 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,840 Speaker 3: get there. I was fighting, I was still partying. I 983 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 3: still wanted to feel like a normal like a normal person, 984 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,479 Speaker 3: so I was out partying and stuff. Well, my wife 985 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 3: came with stability, bro. She came with stability, and she 986 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,640 Speaker 3: was a She wasn't a girl. She was a woman. 987 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,440 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. It was different. So I 988 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 3: was in a long relationship with a girl for like 989 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 3: seven years. But she wanted to party life and she 990 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 3: wanted to be hanging out. And you know, and I 991 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 3: you know your company you keep, you tend to do 992 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,720 Speaker 3: what they do, right. So I'm like, fella, I'll beget 993 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 3: I got to be out there wild'ing out, having a 994 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 3: good time, drinking and doing what you know, normal people 995 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,440 Speaker 3: do at my age. So when I met my wife, 996 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,879 Speaker 3: she wasn't about none of that. You know. She had 997 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,040 Speaker 3: two kids already. One Lasier was two and a half, 998 00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,239 Speaker 3: a Robert when he was six. He was six years old. 999 00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:03,400 Speaker 3: That's when I met him. And you know, she already 1000 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,280 Speaker 3: had her heart broken once. You know, she was married, 1001 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,839 Speaker 3: got a divorce, and I had to make a choice, 1002 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,680 Speaker 3: you know. And during that choice, I called my mom 1003 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,239 Speaker 3: up and I was just like, man, this is a 1004 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 3: good woman, you know. But she you know, she come 1005 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,160 Speaker 3: with the two kids, and you know, and my mom 1006 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,600 Speaker 3: was like, look, if you love her, you care about her, 1007 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,600 Speaker 3: you got to make that decision, you know. But just 1008 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:30,800 Speaker 3: know that she come with three hearts, not one. And 1009 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:32,960 Speaker 3: as long as you love those kids like they yours, 1010 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,960 Speaker 3: it'll work out. And that's what I did. And but 1011 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,360 Speaker 3: as far as my wife being impactful, man, I just 1012 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,960 Speaker 3: think from a discipline standpoint, somebody, you. 1013 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,200 Speaker 2: Got to have people to balance you. 1014 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:43,399 Speaker 1: Bro. 1015 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 3: You see how crazy I am, just the way I fight, 1016 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,600 Speaker 3: that's my personality, right, I can get a little reckless, 1017 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:55,719 Speaker 3: a little crazy, you know, speak my mind. But she's 1018 00:44:55,800 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 3: more calm, and she structure and she's she has everything 1019 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,120 Speaker 3: everything on lock man, you know what I mean. So 1020 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:08,920 Speaker 3: she take care of the household. 1021 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,480 Speaker 2: She became my manager. 1022 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,400 Speaker 3: And the only way she was able to become my manager, 1023 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,840 Speaker 3: especially in the game that's full of just men, a 1024 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,799 Speaker 3: men's world was she had to speak the same language, 1025 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:26,880 Speaker 3: and she had to show that I understand business, period 1026 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,680 Speaker 3: because most most of the time, you get a lot 1027 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,719 Speaker 3: of women or even other managers that come in and 1028 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,279 Speaker 3: never don't really know their position, and they come in 1029 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,120 Speaker 3: and they asking for too much or asking for too little, 1030 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,919 Speaker 3: and they don't understand the business side. But my wife 1031 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,160 Speaker 3: understands business is common sense. And she got her eyes. 1032 00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,319 Speaker 3: She can see, she can see what's going on, and 1033 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:53,960 Speaker 3: so she would listen to conversations. She worked around Cameron 1034 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,680 Speaker 3: Duncan at the time, and I told her. I told 1035 00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,640 Speaker 3: her during that time when I was with Cameron Duncan, 1036 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,520 Speaker 3: I said, hey, learn everything, and you can learn from him, 1037 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,760 Speaker 3: like everything. I want you part of the negotiations and everything. 1038 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,040 Speaker 3: I want you to consulting with him back and forth, 1039 00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:08,960 Speaker 3: so you can learn because you're gonna be my manager 1040 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,600 Speaker 3: one day. And that's what she did. I was a 1041 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,360 Speaker 3: camera for about I'm gonna say four my five years, 1042 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,200 Speaker 3: and she learned everything she needed to know. She was 1043 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,400 Speaker 3: part of the conversations and stuff, and most of the 1044 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,840 Speaker 3: time she was telling Cameron what to save to the 1045 00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:28,480 Speaker 3: promoter so I'm like, okay, yeah, exactly. 1046 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,000 Speaker 1: Whatever it is you're paying, that's that's in house. 1047 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:36,680 Speaker 3: So like the Marquez fight, my wife plotted that pack 1048 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:37,160 Speaker 3: Out fight. 1049 00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:38,120 Speaker 2: My wife plotted that. 1050 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,120 Speaker 3: The rematch, My wife ploted that, Like I would have 1051 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,680 Speaker 3: ever got Marquez if it wasn't for my wife. They 1052 00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,640 Speaker 3: wanted to shoot pack Out at me. But the way 1053 00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:53,520 Speaker 3: she think in understanding like the Latin Blood, she said, 1054 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,360 Speaker 3: pack Marque is gonna retire. 1055 00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:56,879 Speaker 2: He already he. 1056 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,880 Speaker 3: Got you know, he destroyed Pakau. 1057 00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,760 Speaker 2: That's what he needed. So he finish sell. 1058 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,280 Speaker 1: Off right off, right off of the fight with pack Out. 1059 00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,319 Speaker 3: Right off the fight with pack Out, and I fought 1060 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,920 Speaker 3: him right after the fight with the Roustopavaniko. So it 1061 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:11,520 Speaker 3: was it was one of those things where it was 1062 00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:15,040 Speaker 3: like it looked good to him because he's saying, oh 1063 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,360 Speaker 3: he damaged. Yeah. 1064 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,560 Speaker 1: It took you about four years man to get to 1065 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,520 Speaker 1: that first world title against Junior Winder Nottingham, England. When 1066 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,279 Speaker 1: was that like having to go across the pond and 1067 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,319 Speaker 1: deal with that kind of crowd for your first world 1068 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:29,640 Speaker 1: title fight? It was easy? Yeah? 1069 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:30,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was easy. 1070 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:33,600 Speaker 1: What was the money like, though not not a number, 1071 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,320 Speaker 1: but I'm saying what did they just give you anything? 1072 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,880 Speaker 1: Was your mindset like let me just take whatever and 1073 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,480 Speaker 1: then the next go around or where you like. Now, 1074 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,000 Speaker 1: I gotta make sure this money right if I'm gonna 1075 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,000 Speaker 1: go to the UK. 1076 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:48,040 Speaker 3: Brouh, I signed a contract with forty five thousand dollars. Bro. 1077 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:49,279 Speaker 2: I left for twenty six k. 1078 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:57,319 Speaker 1: Hold on, bro On, that's your training expenses. No, nah, bro, 1079 00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:58,440 Speaker 1: come on stop playing. 1080 00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,520 Speaker 2: I left for twenty six dollars of dollars. 1081 00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:00,680 Speaker 3: Dra. 1082 00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,239 Speaker 2: The fight was forty forty five thousand dollars to. 1083 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,280 Speaker 1: Fight ju the world championship. Yes, overseas. 1084 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:15,479 Speaker 3: I got two promoters double dipping. Wow, two promoters, bro Yes, 1085 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,480 Speaker 3: forty five left for twenty. 1086 00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,520 Speaker 1: Six cast forty five to get ready for a championship. 1087 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:24,680 Speaker 1: That's a training expense. 1088 00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, so man way. 1089 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,160 Speaker 2: The reason why I say it was easy. 1090 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:36,439 Speaker 3: Was because when I was an amateur, I was able, 1091 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,239 Speaker 3: I traveled and I already had been to England. I 1092 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,600 Speaker 3: did a black tie event there. I've been to Paris, 1093 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,160 Speaker 3: you know, I've been the various parts of the world, 1094 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:50,560 Speaker 3: competing against you know, different countries. So going and having 1095 00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,320 Speaker 3: a black tie fair where they smoking in the arena, 1096 00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,520 Speaker 3: they drinking table full of liquor, they drinking, bro and 1097 00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,960 Speaker 3: being in hostile being there, bro, Like I knew what 1098 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:02,680 Speaker 3: it was gonna be like. 1099 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:04,600 Speaker 2: It wasn't new to me. 1100 00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,279 Speaker 3: And so that's the reason why it wasn't nothing for me, 1101 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,080 Speaker 3: because I've already had experienced that in the amateurs. 1102 00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,600 Speaker 1: But was that forty five like the first offer? I'm 1103 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,399 Speaker 1: tripping on the dre. 1104 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,640 Speaker 3: At the time when I fought for the World Bro, 1105 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,080 Speaker 3: I wish I could tell you the entire story, man, 1106 00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:31,880 Speaker 3: and how there's little there's little, there's little things that 1107 00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,360 Speaker 3: happened throughout my career. 1108 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:35,160 Speaker 2: I had to. 1109 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,359 Speaker 3: I had two managers at the time, but there it 1110 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:43,920 Speaker 3: was one was uh Cameron, No, Cameron didn't come to 1111 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,600 Speaker 3: later in my career. See, that's why I got to 1112 00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,760 Speaker 3: sit down and tell you the entire story of the 1113 00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,239 Speaker 3: you know, my entire career and I came up and 1114 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,959 Speaker 3: how involved. But before I fought for the World championship, 1115 00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,520 Speaker 3: my first World Championship, I had a guy named Kamaro 1116 00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:03,080 Speaker 3: Mercer out he was out of the East East Coast, 1117 00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:08,080 Speaker 3: and I had a basically a sports writer as a manager. 1118 00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:12,520 Speaker 3: As a manager. Okay, yeah, but I'm gonna tell you 1119 00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:13,520 Speaker 3: why I signed with them. 1120 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:15,319 Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you why I signed with them. 1121 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,720 Speaker 1: Are they the ones that negotiated this junior with Yes? Yes, 1122 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,080 Speaker 1: they both still living. Yes, I'd like to have a 1123 00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:26,799 Speaker 1: conversation if we ever crossed paths. I just want to 1124 00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,799 Speaker 1: ask you, like, how did that happen? Look? 1125 00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,160 Speaker 2: Man forty five? 1126 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:31,360 Speaker 1: Bro? 1127 00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:33,719 Speaker 3: It was. 1128 00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,200 Speaker 1: Look Look, look, look luk. Look. 1129 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,920 Speaker 3: The reason why I got with these managers, bro, was 1130 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:44,920 Speaker 3: because there was a point in time in the period 1131 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:50,200 Speaker 3: where I didn't fight for an entire year and I 1132 00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,560 Speaker 3: had got to suffer the broken rib and I was 1133 00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:57,160 Speaker 3: waiting on my opportunity. So I had a title eliminator 1134 00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,840 Speaker 3: that I was supposed to be fighting against with what's 1135 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,000 Speaker 3: the guy what's his name? 1136 00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:06,080 Speaker 2: Damn, what is his name? What's the guy? 1137 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:11,880 Speaker 3: He saw with Castile Jose Luis Castill, That's him. So 1138 00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,040 Speaker 3: I went to Mexico, can Coon to fight him. He 1139 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,960 Speaker 3: didn't make weight, had a full training camp, spent all 1140 00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,920 Speaker 3: of my little dough that I had, and didn't get 1141 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:28,400 Speaker 3: a check at all, had no money, dra didn't get paid, 1142 00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:33,080 Speaker 3: none of that. So I had to wait a while, 1143 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,280 Speaker 3: like I was hoping for that money. I was praying 1144 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:40,319 Speaker 3: for that money, so it didn't matter what the money was. 1145 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,000 Speaker 3: I was always told that once I get that world championship, 1146 00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,560 Speaker 3: that's when my life gonna change. So if that was 1147 00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,719 Speaker 3: the money, I wasn't even thinking like that, bro, that 1148 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:55,239 Speaker 3: was the money period period. And that's why, like I 1149 00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,560 Speaker 3: look at fighters today and I say to myself, I'd go, bruh, 1150 00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,759 Speaker 3: why you can fly? You gotta take the opportunity. That's 1151 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,839 Speaker 3: why I think the way I think. Take the opportunity. 1152 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:06,279 Speaker 1: You win that. 1153 00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:11,160 Speaker 3: Now you move on, you know, to big and better. So, man, 1154 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,640 Speaker 3: I need my chicken. Listen, I hear you. 1155 00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,319 Speaker 1: It's too dangerous, bro, it's too much going on. 1156 00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:17,640 Speaker 2: But you know that now, Dre. 1157 00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:22,040 Speaker 1: But I knew that then, even though it's always stuff 1158 00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,839 Speaker 1: you could do better, other tactics and maneuvers you could 1159 00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:29,239 Speaker 1: have did better. But I always knew, like, I need 1160 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:33,560 Speaker 1: my chicken. Now, you do learn all the different pots. 1161 00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,160 Speaker 1: You start learning what a license fee is, like, oh, 1162 00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,000 Speaker 1: you just offered me this, but the actual number was this. 1163 00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,839 Speaker 1: You learn all of that. Yes, But my team, man, 1164 00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,160 Speaker 1: I had a great team man, you know, James Prince 1165 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,239 Speaker 1: and then Josh Duben came in later. But I was 1166 00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:52,239 Speaker 1: always like I needed my chicken, man, Because one thing 1167 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:53,880 Speaker 1: that I knew was even as a young kid, I 1168 00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,279 Speaker 1: studied the game, and I will always one of the 1169 00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,279 Speaker 1: tactics is they always promise you about what's next, and 1170 00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,000 Speaker 1: if you do this, we're gonna do this for you. 1171 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:03,120 Speaker 2: I heard that a million times. 1172 00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,120 Speaker 1: So my thing was I learned to like understand the 1173 00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,160 Speaker 1: whole pot. How much money is in here, don't tell 1174 00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,640 Speaker 1: me about what you're giving me. How much money is 1175 00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,920 Speaker 1: in here. And I'm trying to make as much as 1176 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,120 Speaker 1: I could make. But forty five is crazy, man. But 1177 00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,319 Speaker 1: you did that. Then you went on a cold run 1178 00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:22,880 Speaker 1: after you got that championship Edner, Cherry Kendall, hol Nate Campbell, 1179 00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:27,920 Speaker 1: Lamont Peterson, and you unified another belt in super lightweight division. 1180 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:32,960 Speaker 1: But getting ready for your twenty eleven fight with Devin Alexander, 1181 00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:39,279 Speaker 1: you are beating up and dropping sparing partners. You call 1182 00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,200 Speaker 1: your manager, Cameron Duncan you say, I need some other guys, man, 1183 00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,400 Speaker 1: get some guys in here? In steps Terrence Crawford, Yeah, 1184 00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:49,719 Speaker 1: tell me about that, oh. 1185 00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:55,040 Speaker 3: Man, right off the Hey, look Terrence lands Palm Springs? 1186 00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:57,640 Speaker 1: Could you ever heard? In law? 1187 00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:58,680 Speaker 2: Never heard of them? 1188 00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,760 Speaker 3: Brother in law goes down and picks him up, straight 1189 00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,239 Speaker 3: to the gym. No, oh, we gotta go with your 1190 00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,880 Speaker 3: hotel wherever you standing at, none of that. Straight to 1191 00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,520 Speaker 3: the gym because I'm like, I'm gonna test this work. 1192 00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:19,200 Speaker 3: If this work ain't good enough, we got a red 1193 00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,920 Speaker 3: eye for him, go back home, right, So straight to 1194 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:23,799 Speaker 3: the gym. 1195 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:25,000 Speaker 2: I walk in. 1196 00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,320 Speaker 3: I see him off in the corner, platt in his head, 1197 00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,000 Speaker 3: shadow boxing slow, and. 1198 00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,680 Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, I'm like, who is this dude? 1199 00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:33,080 Speaker 3: Right? 1200 00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:33,719 Speaker 1: Then? 1201 00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,799 Speaker 3: That's his name or whatever business? None of that just 1202 00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:38,799 Speaker 3: was like, hey, what's up? 1203 00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:39,359 Speaker 1: That was it? 1204 00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:44,920 Speaker 3: So getting the ring with him? My team is right here. 1205 00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,480 Speaker 3: This dude is by himself. Terrence is in the corner 1206 00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,320 Speaker 3: by himself. Ain't nobody nobody. He came to my corner 1207 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:55,399 Speaker 3: to get water after we spoil, right after every single round. 1208 00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:59,239 Speaker 3: But anyways, so first round goes, you know, you want 1209 00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,239 Speaker 3: to fill out to see what he knows, you know, 1210 00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,200 Speaker 3: And I'm I'm like, all right, let me see what 1211 00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:04,600 Speaker 3: he knows. 1212 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:06,319 Speaker 2: I make a move, Boom, I get hit. 1213 00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:10,440 Speaker 3: I'm like, damn, okay, let me get a little bit 1214 00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,879 Speaker 3: serious with this man, a little bit more serious. Let 1215 00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,000 Speaker 3: me turn it up. Let me see if he lay down. 1216 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,319 Speaker 3: So I turned it up, bing bing ban. He's like 1217 00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:24,120 Speaker 3: b bing bing bing bing bing right back, and I'm like, oh, okay, okay, 1218 00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,440 Speaker 3: he got something right, but then I will raise it 1219 00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,439 Speaker 3: another level and then it's an all out fight. 1220 00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:32,239 Speaker 1: Right. 1221 00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,080 Speaker 2: But he right there hanging with me. 1222 00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,239 Speaker 3: Every time he's right there, he's like mm hmmm mm 1223 00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:41,480 Speaker 3: hmmm mm hmm, and I'm like, damn, I was supposed 1224 00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:42,520 Speaker 3: to go six rounds that day. 1225 00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:43,640 Speaker 2: I only went four. 1226 00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,720 Speaker 1: Who was stopted? Shit? The coach, your whack, that's enough? 1227 00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:49,600 Speaker 1: You know. 1228 00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,280 Speaker 3: Look, you know, if you if a fighter, if your fighter, 1229 00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,040 Speaker 3: your champions is getting beat up on insparm, you know, 1230 00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,719 Speaker 3: that does something to his confidence. So you want to 1231 00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:00,560 Speaker 3: you want to have that, but you want to also 1232 00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:01,640 Speaker 3: limit it at the same time. 1233 00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:02,760 Speaker 2: You got to find that balance. 1234 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,440 Speaker 3: So I sat at the edge of the ring something 1235 00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,760 Speaker 3: like this, said right there, and I'm looking at him, 1236 00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:12,920 Speaker 3: you know, and he's kind of looking at himself in 1237 00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,640 Speaker 3: the mirror, and I'm like, man, I'm like, who are 1238 00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,520 Speaker 3: you man? And he's like what I said, who are you? Goes, 1239 00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,719 Speaker 3: I'm Terrence Crawford, And I go where are you from? Broh? 1240 00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,600 Speaker 3: He goes, Omaha, Nebraska, And I'm thinking to myself, what 1241 00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,600 Speaker 3: the hell is it Omah? I don't think about what's 1242 00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:33,680 Speaker 3: in Omaha? Right, yeah? And so and I look at him. 1243 00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:38,480 Speaker 3: I go bruh. I was like, you ain't no spawn partner. 1244 00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:44,080 Speaker 3: He go, whatever, what I go? You're a world champion man, 1245 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,759 Speaker 3: straight up? And I was like why. I was like, 1246 00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,440 Speaker 3: why you're not fighting White? And he was just like, 1247 00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,160 Speaker 3: I don't know why. So when I got in the car, 1248 00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,000 Speaker 3: I immediately called Cameron Duncan. I was like, hey, Cameron. 1249 00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,120 Speaker 3: I was like, Yo, what you doing with Crawford. He 1250 00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,399 Speaker 3: was like, don't tell me. You're sending him wrong too. 1251 00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,560 Speaker 3: I was like, I was like, I'm keeping him. And 1252 00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,160 Speaker 3: I was like, but I was like, do you want him? 1253 00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:08,879 Speaker 2: Can I buy him out this contract? And he goes, 1254 00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:09,640 Speaker 2: what do you mean? 1255 00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,040 Speaker 3: I was like, he whooped my asks and he said, oh, 1256 00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:14,800 Speaker 3: I love Terence Crawford. 1257 00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,040 Speaker 2: I love Crawford. What are you talking about? 1258 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,960 Speaker 3: And that's when our relationship, me and Crawford's relationship started 1259 00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,200 Speaker 3: to build because I recognized that he just needed a 1260 00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,640 Speaker 3: little direction and that was it. 1261 00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,120 Speaker 1: Did he stay for the full camp? 1262 00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:33,680 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, he stayed, and so I sparred him on Monday. 1263 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,840 Speaker 3: And so then I'm going over to film and studying 1264 00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,680 Speaker 3: him and looking at his mistakes he made on Monday. 1265 00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,440 Speaker 3: But then Wednesday come and he's a completely. 1266 00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:46,800 Speaker 1: Different fighter here, just again. 1267 00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,600 Speaker 3: But nobody was in his corner, so. 1268 00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,560 Speaker 1: He doing that by himself. 1269 00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,360 Speaker 3: It was like, this dude had a photographic memory, bro, 1270 00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,160 Speaker 3: and so that's what I was, just like, this dude 1271 00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,000 Speaker 3: is different, man, That's what I knew. Different. 1272 00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:06,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna skip a fight after that. Devin Alexander fight 1273 00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,520 Speaker 1: to twenty twelve with Manipacaw. When did you first start 1274 00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,520 Speaker 1: getting rumblings that, oh, pack is an option for us. 1275 00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,960 Speaker 3: As soon as I met with top rank through Cameron Duncan, 1276 00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:24,160 Speaker 3: and I avoided that fight with American just basically solely 1277 00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,960 Speaker 3: on getting the Manu pacout fight, which was opportunity five 1278 00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,600 Speaker 3: million dollars. Then come on, dog, do the math. One 1279 00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:34,000 Speaker 3: point two million, five million dollars, MANI Pacou. 1280 00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:34,720 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? 1281 00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,320 Speaker 3: And what had nothing to do with not, you know, 1282 00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:41,240 Speaker 3: fearing some American. It was more so business right, And 1283 00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,680 Speaker 3: this is the number one, number two wherever you have 1284 00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:45,880 Speaker 3: a fighter in the world. This is what every fighter 1285 00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:50,440 Speaker 3: dreams of, but fighting the best. So I knew right 1286 00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,560 Speaker 3: out the gate soon as I got with Cameron Duncan, 1287 00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,520 Speaker 3: because I knew his affiliation with top rank, that it 1288 00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,480 Speaker 3: was a possibility that I was gonna be have an 1289 00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:58,520 Speaker 3: opportunity to fight. 1290 00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,360 Speaker 1: Manny Pacou was the number of negotiaboard. They said, look, 1291 00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:03,840 Speaker 1: take it the lead. 1292 00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,160 Speaker 3: That's what it is. Taken the leading, Manny. But that's 1293 00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,920 Speaker 3: a help. I mean, five million dollars is life changing money, especially. 1294 00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:10,360 Speaker 1: At that time too. 1295 00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:12,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, And the crazy part and the cold part is 1296 00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:16,439 Speaker 3: that when I did meet Manny and we were off 1297 00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:18,880 Speaker 3: like kind of like by ourselves a little bit after 1298 00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:20,720 Speaker 3: you know, you have all these interviews and stuff like that, 1299 00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,720 Speaker 3: and he's sitting there waiting and stuff and nobody's really 1300 00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,040 Speaker 3: around him. One of the things that Manny said that 1301 00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:29,680 Speaker 3: I appreciate many four was that he said, was that 1302 00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:34,000 Speaker 3: good enough? And I'll go the money what and he 1303 00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,760 Speaker 3: goes the five million? Was that good enough for you 1304 00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:40,760 Speaker 3: and your family? And I was just like, I was like, yeah, 1305 00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,480 Speaker 3: that's that's great. I was like, thank you, thank you 1306 00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:47,760 Speaker 3: for the opportunity. So but yeah, I knew it right 1307 00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:48,200 Speaker 3: off the gate. 1308 00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:52,200 Speaker 1: Bro talk me through that fight. Man I was at 1309 00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:56,880 Speaker 1: the fight. Yep, I probably was on four or five 1310 00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00,480 Speaker 1: rows back, maybe a little bit more. And when I 1311 01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:04,960 Speaker 1: saw the fight that night, it looked like Manny won 1312 01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:09,840 Speaker 1: by a landslide. So I'm coming out the arena. They 1313 01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,120 Speaker 1: threw a camera in my face. Man, what you think? 1314 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:17,439 Speaker 1: And I make a comment. I say, man, till my boy. Man, 1315 01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:21,000 Speaker 1: but man, he lost that fight tonight and tend me 1316 01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,120 Speaker 1: to get that belt back. I go home and I 1317 01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,360 Speaker 1: watched the fight again on Sunday, no volume. I turned 1318 01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,840 Speaker 1: the volume all the way down and I watched the 1319 01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:33,680 Speaker 1: whole fight, and I'm like, this fight was way closer 1320 01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,120 Speaker 1: than I thought. And I had to call you. I 1321 01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:37,840 Speaker 1: called you. I think that Sunday, I said, hey, bro, 1322 01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,640 Speaker 1: I apologized. I spoke too soon. I shouldn't have said that. 1323 01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:44,120 Speaker 1: I should have went home and watched that fight. Man, 1324 01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:47,000 Speaker 1: you said, man, it's all good. What do you remember 1325 01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:50,080 Speaker 1: about that fight? Like the actual fight? Did you think 1326 01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:51,800 Speaker 1: it was close? You were up big? Like? 1327 01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,040 Speaker 3: What was your takeaway? I thought the fight was close. 1328 01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:57,280 Speaker 3: I wasn't sure if they was gonna give it to me. 1329 01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:01,560 Speaker 3: Based upon Manny pack out in his status. Usually when 1330 01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,880 Speaker 3: you see a robbery is usually in favor of the 1331 01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,080 Speaker 3: house fighter. It's not in favor of you know, the 1332 01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,960 Speaker 3: B side of things. So let me just say that 1333 01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:13,080 Speaker 3: right out the gate. But I thought the fight was 1334 01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,680 Speaker 3: very close. I was dealing with a lot during that fight. 1335 01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:18,760 Speaker 3: You know, I didn't wear this, I didn't wear any socks. 1336 01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:19,800 Speaker 1: Why. 1337 01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:22,480 Speaker 2: I'm a fan of Manny. 1338 01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,400 Speaker 3: I'm a fan of Mike Tyson bro and I had 1339 01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,919 Speaker 3: tragic and sparring and stuff like that, and it worked 1340 01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,400 Speaker 3: out well. But when I got in the ring and 1341 01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:34,240 Speaker 3: it had that spongy ring, you know, different there's different flooring, right, 1342 01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,240 Speaker 3: different rings. You know, it was real spongy. So I 1343 01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,280 Speaker 3: didn't really have a whole lot of support, you know 1344 01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,040 Speaker 3: that night, brother, Yeah, yeah, exactly. 1345 01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:44,640 Speaker 1: All that man coming with. Yeah, so you had a 1346 01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:45,280 Speaker 1: lot of movement. 1347 01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:46,720 Speaker 3: So I had a lot of movement I had to 1348 01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,760 Speaker 3: deal with, and you know, I didn't have a whole 1349 01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,120 Speaker 3: lot of stability in my shoe, you know, So it 1350 01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:56,040 Speaker 3: was a lot of give. So rolled my ankle, tore 1351 01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:57,920 Speaker 3: some ligaments on the bottom of my foot after the 1352 01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,160 Speaker 3: second round, because Manny, when you're fighting Manny, you gotta 1353 01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,800 Speaker 3: try to anticipate when he's gonna explode in You gotta 1354 01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:08,280 Speaker 3: try to time that and he breaks it up with 1355 01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,439 Speaker 3: his head movement, you know, and that you know, yeah, 1356 01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:14,440 Speaker 3: that little balance, and then he's constantly fainting you, constantly 1357 01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,800 Speaker 3: faking you, constantly faking you, and you're trying to anticipate, 1358 01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,760 Speaker 3: so he keeps you idle like this the whole time, 1359 01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,000 Speaker 3: trying to you know, and your feet or gripped to 1360 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,040 Speaker 3: the ground like this case, you gotta get out of 1361 01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:25,520 Speaker 3: the range, you know what I mean, or get to 1362 01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:29,560 Speaker 3: the side, so you know, just the quick movements and reactions. Man, 1363 01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:34,760 Speaker 3: Like every time I would fight Manny, I would. 1364 01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:35,360 Speaker 2: Blow a tire. Bro my legs. 1365 01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:39,200 Speaker 3: Second time I fought Manny, calf tored my calf. 1366 01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:42,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, Bro, if I show you my calf, bro. 1367 01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,200 Speaker 1: Still disfigured. Yeah. 1368 01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:51,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, Look how little that thing is. Bro. It's little. 1369 01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:55,440 Speaker 3: It's all balled up. So like I'm just saying like 1370 01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,880 Speaker 3: it was always difficult. But the first time around, like 1371 01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:01,160 Speaker 3: after the first round, and I felt like I belonged. 1372 01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,760 Speaker 3: Like he was fast, but I was like, I'm just 1373 01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,040 Speaker 3: as quick. He was strong, but I was like I'm 1374 01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,800 Speaker 3: just as strong. Like it wasn't nothing that I ain't 1375 01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:11,360 Speaker 3: never It felt like I was nothing I ain't never 1376 01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:16,400 Speaker 3: seen before. When he did throw combinations. Bro them joints. 1377 01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:19,280 Speaker 3: They would whiz past my face like bullets on everything. 1378 01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:20,120 Speaker 1: I love bro like. 1379 01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:22,720 Speaker 2: You know what I'm like. 1380 01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,520 Speaker 3: You see Chinese movies like you know, Karate movies and 1381 01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:29,000 Speaker 3: stuff like that. Man when they're throwing punches, and that's 1382 01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,960 Speaker 3: literally hurt like bullets like it was whizzing past my 1383 01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:35,880 Speaker 3: ears like. So he was fast, he was strong with 1384 01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:41,160 Speaker 3: the punch felt like like like a shock, like a shot, 1385 01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:41,880 Speaker 3: like a joke. 1386 01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:42,960 Speaker 2: You know. 1387 01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:45,960 Speaker 3: He caught me in the fourth round with a big 1388 01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,480 Speaker 3: shot that that buzzed me and I stepped back and 1389 01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:51,080 Speaker 3: you know, I got my wits back or whatever. But 1390 01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,760 Speaker 3: you know, man, he can punch and he has speed 1391 01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,320 Speaker 3: and power, and you know that combination is very hard 1392 01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:58,600 Speaker 3: to come by, you know. 1393 01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:00,480 Speaker 2: And then that's a nasty on top of that. 1394 01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,160 Speaker 3: But I felt like the second half of the fight 1395 01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:05,040 Speaker 3: is where I started to come on. 1396 01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:06,240 Speaker 2: You know. 1397 01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:09,160 Speaker 3: I just kept moving left and I was boxing them. 1398 01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:10,919 Speaker 3: I was making them miss and I was making them pay. 1399 01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:16,800 Speaker 3: But the game plan was basically dre to matches, tempo, 1400 01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:22,560 Speaker 3: matches output. Whenever he does something, I gotta do something. 1401 01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,080 Speaker 3: So whether you think I want or not, what people 1402 01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:31,560 Speaker 3: don't realize is it was the optics because every time he. 1403 01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:33,200 Speaker 2: Would do something, I wouldn't do something. 1404 01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:35,560 Speaker 3: I would do something, So I would just try to 1405 01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:39,760 Speaker 3: balance that, you know, and the judges, a lot of them, 1406 01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:43,160 Speaker 3: or the ring side of I would say commentary was thinking. 1407 01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,840 Speaker 3: Because you can go back and watch the fight, big 1408 01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:46,800 Speaker 3: left hand lands by. 1409 01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:49,720 Speaker 2: Many pack out. No it didn't know it didn't. 1410 01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:53,000 Speaker 3: Because you're sitting there trying to watch somebody blazing fast 1411 01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,720 Speaker 3: try to land a shot and it looks like it landed, 1412 01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,040 Speaker 3: but it didn't land It came right here. 1413 01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:02,240 Speaker 1: That's the mis exception. Being in the crowd, yeah, because 1414 01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:04,840 Speaker 1: you like you was legit, like getting out the way 1415 01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:05,240 Speaker 1: to make. 1416 01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:06,720 Speaker 3: Sure you yeah, shoot shoot, shoot, yeah. 1417 01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,840 Speaker 1: But the crowd is going crazy, so you think six punches, 1418 01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,800 Speaker 1: seven punches get thrown. You think he probably landed three, four, 1419 01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,280 Speaker 1: You might have landed one. Yeah, but you gotta go 1420 01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,880 Speaker 1: home and watch it with no sound so you're not 1421 01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:19,360 Speaker 1: influenced to really see what it was. 1422 01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:20,520 Speaker 2: But the judges are seeing that. 1423 01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,040 Speaker 3: You know, when you have real judges and now understand that, 1424 01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:26,600 Speaker 3: Like Dwayne Ford was one of the guys that like 1425 01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:31,760 Speaker 3: literally trained all the judges. 1426 01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,160 Speaker 2: Like he's a top notch judge. 1427 01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:36,480 Speaker 3: And he gave me and he the one that gave 1428 01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:38,600 Speaker 3: me the fight, right, one of the ones that gave 1429 01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:42,760 Speaker 3: me the fight. You also got to understand that if 1430 01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:44,440 Speaker 3: you go back and you watch that fight, you go 1431 01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:48,120 Speaker 3: you got to see how many how often did many 1432 01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,560 Speaker 3: do any work because a lot of times he didn't 1433 01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,080 Speaker 3: start reving up. He was trying to do the Sugar 1434 01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:55,880 Speaker 3: Ray Leonard effect when he fought against towards the end, 1435 01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,120 Speaker 3: he didn't rev it up until the last thirty seconds. 1436 01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,680 Speaker 3: And I'm fighting you know, the other two and a 1437 01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:03,560 Speaker 3: half minutes even three minutes of every single round. So 1438 01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,240 Speaker 3: you got to put that into an account as well. 1439 01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,080 Speaker 3: So you know the judges they saw what they saw. 1440 01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,840 Speaker 3: I thought it was a very close fight. I don't 1441 01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,760 Speaker 3: understand you got audio in the corner. Me being on TV, 1442 01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:18,040 Speaker 3: I know you got audio in the corner. You can 1443 01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:21,080 Speaker 3: hear exactly what the trainers are saying, whyle come. I 1444 01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:25,760 Speaker 3: never got the audio of Joelle die Is saying, go 1445 01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:27,240 Speaker 3: in there, Jackson, pick him up. 1446 01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:28,880 Speaker 2: We just won this f and. 1447 01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:34,200 Speaker 3: Fight where that audio at? So that way it lets 1448 01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,320 Speaker 3: everybody know that we thought we won the fight, period. 1449 01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:42,400 Speaker 3: But you know that audio ain't gonna gonnape. It ain't gonnappear. 1450 01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:44,160 Speaker 1: I think for me, man, what have showed me was 1451 01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:45,920 Speaker 1: that you belong at that level. Because you see a 1452 01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:49,880 Speaker 1: guy that goes and faces and fights at a high 1453 01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:53,280 Speaker 1: the top level, like another champion or face, a legend 1454 01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:57,120 Speaker 1: like that, and they don't perform, They don't like they're 1455 01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,480 Speaker 1: half of their normal sales or not. They just the 1456 01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:03,280 Speaker 1: lights are right, the moment is too bright, and I 1457 01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,720 Speaker 1: saw you still be yourself and actually raise your game 1458 01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,760 Speaker 1: regardless when people think about decision, like when you're missing, 1459 01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:10,520 Speaker 1: missing missing or trying to make a missing and you're 1460 01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:12,600 Speaker 1: trying to get yours too. That lets you know he 1461 01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:14,840 Speaker 1: died in. Yeah, he died in like he's really trying 1462 01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,720 Speaker 1: to win. He's not just here for a check. Man. 1463 01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:22,400 Speaker 1: You get willed into the post fight press conference because 1464 01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:26,040 Speaker 1: of what happened to your feet. But then it's crazy 1465 01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,520 Speaker 1: backlash after the fight. You know, it's the type of 1466 01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:33,600 Speaker 1: backlash where he says you got death threats, bro, you 1467 01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:35,680 Speaker 1: all kind of crazy stuff happened. What was the post 1468 01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:39,360 Speaker 1: mini pack, y'all one experience for you? 1469 01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:44,680 Speaker 3: Death threats, crank calls when you're out in the vallet, 1470 01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:46,760 Speaker 3: you're here the whispers, you hear the chatter, you see 1471 01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,520 Speaker 3: people laughing, you know, so you have to deal with, 1472 01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:54,400 Speaker 3: you know, being aumiliated. You know, my kids, that's what 1473 01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,560 Speaker 3: really hurted me in school, man, that's what really like 1474 01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:03,080 Speaker 3: crushed me. You know, my kids at school getting somewhat bullied. 1475 01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:03,160 Speaker 1: In a way. 1476 01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,920 Speaker 3: You know they talking about Yeah, they talking about your father, right, 1477 01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:11,040 Speaker 3: So they had to deal with that as well. But 1478 01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:13,240 Speaker 3: it got it got to a point where was it 1479 01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:14,240 Speaker 3: felt unbearable. 1480 01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:14,480 Speaker 1: Man. 1481 01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:16,800 Speaker 2: I felt like it was me and my family against 1482 01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:17,559 Speaker 2: the entire world. 1483 01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:21,240 Speaker 3: Bro. You know, everybody chimed in on it. It wasn't 1484 01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:24,599 Speaker 3: just you know, one or two people. It was the 1485 01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:28,559 Speaker 3: entire world, bro. And you can you gotta imagine having 1486 01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:30,479 Speaker 3: the entire world looking at you and think of you 1487 01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,360 Speaker 3: the laughing stock of boxing, bro. And all I did 1488 01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:35,479 Speaker 3: was going there and do my job. You know how 1489 01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:39,000 Speaker 3: depressing that is, man. You know, you thinking that you 1490 01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:43,080 Speaker 3: win a fight, you're gonna be glorified and uplifted, your 1491 01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:46,040 Speaker 3: biggest moment, biggest moment. Man, I did my job, Bro, 1492 01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:51,439 Speaker 3: and it gets taken all away, and it's supposed to 1493 01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:53,479 Speaker 3: feel sweet, but it feels bitter as hell. 1494 01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:56,720 Speaker 2: And I felt like honest to God. 1495 01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:56,920 Speaker 1: Man. 1496 01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:58,479 Speaker 3: It was a mooment man where I felt like like, 1497 01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:01,599 Speaker 3: I don't even want to be here, man Like, what's 1498 01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:03,240 Speaker 3: the point of even doing this anymore? I don't even 1499 01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:04,559 Speaker 3: want to be I don't even want to live no more? 1500 01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:06,200 Speaker 2: Man Like, what's the point? Right? 1501 01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:10,040 Speaker 3: And some people can look at that as like being soft. However, 1502 01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:13,080 Speaker 3: I didn't take my life right. I stayed strong. I 1503 01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:16,680 Speaker 3: stayed resolute, and you know, I felt like, you know 1504 01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:18,560 Speaker 3: those moments, man, God to speak to you, but you 1505 01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:22,120 Speaker 3: got to hear him, bro. And at that moment. It 1506 01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:26,440 Speaker 3: happened when I was on vacation. I was in Hawaii 1507 01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:32,240 Speaker 3: and I was driving and I cut this car off 1508 01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:34,760 Speaker 3: and he hunked the horn and I pulled back in 1509 01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:38,600 Speaker 3: the lane and I'm driving and I'm rolling down the 1510 01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:40,200 Speaker 3: window fin to get ready to lay cause I got 1511 01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:41,519 Speaker 3: a lot of anger pented up in me. 1512 01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:44,200 Speaker 2: He about to fill my raft, don't hunk your horn 1513 01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:44,479 Speaker 2: at me. 1514 01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:48,280 Speaker 3: So I'll reach out, go like this, roll down my 1515 01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:52,080 Speaker 3: window and I'm going like this and he comes driving by, 1516 01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:56,360 Speaker 3: cheesing going and he put up the shaka sign, you 1517 01:09:56,400 --> 01:10:01,040 Speaker 3: know sign, and I'm like, so, I'm like, damn, I 1518 01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:03,400 Speaker 3: look at my mirror, and then my kids in the 1519 01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:06,679 Speaker 3: back are like, you know, they waiting on to be reacting. 1520 01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:08,519 Speaker 3: I'm like, my wife is looking at me like what 1521 01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:09,000 Speaker 3: the hit? 1522 01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:09,599 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? 1523 01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:15,439 Speaker 3: And I'm just like, okay, all right, I understand what 1524 01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,720 Speaker 3: it is. So I felt like the whole world was 1525 01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,320 Speaker 3: against me. I felt like there was no good and 1526 01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:21,240 Speaker 3: there was still no good. There was no good people 1527 01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:24,040 Speaker 3: in the world, Drake. But this showed me that there 1528 01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,040 Speaker 3: are some still good, good people in the world, man, 1529 01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,360 Speaker 3: some good, honest people in the world. I was generalizing 1530 01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,599 Speaker 3: the entire world, and it made me hate the world, 1531 01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:35,120 Speaker 3: you know, and made me hate the world that I 1532 01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,040 Speaker 3: lived in. I didn't want to be no more. But 1533 01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:39,920 Speaker 3: at that point I was like, I'm good. God spoke 1534 01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:42,000 Speaker 3: to me like, hey man, it's gonna be all right. 1535 01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,040 Speaker 3: Right in that moment, it's a little simple thing, like 1536 01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:44,840 Speaker 3: I love about that. 1537 01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:45,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1538 01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:49,559 Speaker 3: And so from that day forward, I told my kids 1539 01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,240 Speaker 3: and my wife, I just say, look, I'm off of 1540 01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:55,639 Speaker 3: social media, no longer listening to anybody. The only thing 1541 01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:58,200 Speaker 3: that matters now is do was something I call right here? 1542 01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:00,360 Speaker 3: What's in my household? That's the only thing that matters. 1543 01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:04,200 Speaker 3: I don't care about anybody's opinion, I said. Moving forward, 1544 01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:08,600 Speaker 3: I was like, ain't nobody going to ever affect me 1545 01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:09,160 Speaker 3: ever again? 1546 01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:10,519 Speaker 1: Ever? Again? 1547 01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,880 Speaker 3: It was like I heard so much that I became 1548 01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:18,080 Speaker 3: desensitized to any type of negative thing. Like now I like, 1549 01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:21,400 Speaker 3: I feed for it. I seem for negative attention. I 1550 01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:23,360 Speaker 3: seem for like you want to say, what say whatever 1551 01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:24,960 Speaker 3: you want to say, because I know who I am, 1552 01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,080 Speaker 3: I know what I'm about, I know what I bring. 1553 01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:35,120 Speaker 3: You know, I know my work. So that's that happened. 1554 01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:40,000 Speaker 3: That was a blessing in disguise. Oh it was hard, 1555 01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:42,360 Speaker 3: but I feel like it's a blessing because now the 1556 01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:45,400 Speaker 3: position I'm in, now where you're going to get the 1557 01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:47,679 Speaker 3: rid of cure, you're going to get you know, people 1558 01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:51,840 Speaker 3: talking about you constantly, you know, especially talking boxing that 1559 01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,000 Speaker 3: I can deal with it, and not only that, I 1560 01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,839 Speaker 3: can deal with it in life, and I can extill 1561 01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:00,599 Speaker 3: that into my kids because you know, these kids, they 1562 01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:03,000 Speaker 3: still get bullied and you know, racism still exists and 1563 01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:04,600 Speaker 3: so on and so forth, bro, and they have to 1564 01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:05,200 Speaker 3: deal with that. 1565 01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:07,280 Speaker 2: My daughter just got done dealing with that. 1566 01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:08,320 Speaker 1: You know. 1567 01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:14,120 Speaker 3: So I gather strength man from something that was negative 1568 01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:17,599 Speaker 3: man negative, and you know, was tearing through my life 1569 01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:18,800 Speaker 3: at one point. 1570 01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:22,920 Speaker 1: So that pressure man can make you if you if 1571 01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,360 Speaker 1: you respond the right way like you did to it. 1572 01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:27,840 Speaker 1: And that's what the people online don't understand. I don't 1573 01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:28,960 Speaker 1: even know if a lot of it, I don't even know. 1574 01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:30,400 Speaker 1: I how I call a lot of these people fans, 1575 01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,760 Speaker 1: because a real fan of the sports money, really loves 1576 01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:36,960 Speaker 1: the sport. They're not gonna get on social media and 1577 01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:38,920 Speaker 1: say nothing crazy to a fighter. That's cool to show 1578 01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,040 Speaker 1: your opinion, man, I think this guy did this and 1579 01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:43,400 Speaker 1: be respectful, but you can't say you're a fan of 1580 01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:45,639 Speaker 1: a sport. You may be a fan of people fighting, 1581 01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:47,120 Speaker 1: but you're not really a fan of the people in 1582 01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:50,320 Speaker 1: the sport being disrespectful. But what they fail to realize 1583 01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:54,360 Speaker 1: is that we've shown as athletes that we can get 1584 01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:57,000 Speaker 1: in the ring to do something that a small percentage 1585 01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:01,120 Speaker 1: of the world can can do it's not and then 1586 01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:04,840 Speaker 1: we also can deal with the other stuff to chatter 1587 01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:07,080 Speaker 1: while you're trying to do your job. You gotta pay 1588 01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:09,720 Speaker 1: all your suck, all your this, all you that. They 1589 01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:12,120 Speaker 1: can't deal with that, But they're good at auditioning it 1590 01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:16,439 Speaker 1: out though. So that's why athletes, man, are very very unique, 1591 01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:20,680 Speaker 1: and the ones that can respond well to it, it 1592 01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:22,240 Speaker 1: just may it makes you grow up. Even as a 1593 01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:24,519 Speaker 1: grown man. You still got to grow up sometimes I realize, Okay, 1594 01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:26,640 Speaker 1: everybody not gonna love what I do, and sometimes I'm 1595 01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,160 Speaker 1: gonna get my best effort and get no love for it. 1596 01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:31,080 Speaker 3: It's funny you say that grow up because I feel 1597 01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:33,639 Speaker 3: like at that point, that's. 1598 01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:35,880 Speaker 2: When I grew up for real, when I grew up. 1599 01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,599 Speaker 3: Man. You know, you gotta be comfortable in your skin. 1600 01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:40,879 Speaker 3: And there's a lot of people out there that's pretending 1601 01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:44,880 Speaker 3: man to be something that they're truly not right. They're 1602 01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:46,840 Speaker 3: trying to be a pleaser. They're trying to, you know, 1603 01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:49,840 Speaker 3: please this and please this certain groups and stuff like that, 1604 01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:52,680 Speaker 3: and they not being themselves. But I trust me, man, 1605 01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:55,600 Speaker 3: when you when you can be yourself man and be 1606 01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:58,519 Speaker 3: comfortable in your skin. Bro, Bro, you grow so you 1607 01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:01,519 Speaker 3: grow wings. Bro, you grow with literally grow wings, and 1608 01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,320 Speaker 3: you can rise above anything. It don't matter. You can 1609 01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:06,920 Speaker 3: tell me anything you want to, Bro. You can attack 1610 01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:09,479 Speaker 3: my character whatever, I don't care. I'm gonna look at 1611 01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,280 Speaker 3: you and I'm gonna go, Okay, that's how you feel. 1612 01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:13,400 Speaker 2: Oh, that's it, that's it. 1613 01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:16,600 Speaker 3: Okay, all right, yeah, let me find out, let me 1614 01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:17,640 Speaker 3: find something about you, bro. 1615 01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:19,639 Speaker 2: You ain't gonna like what I say. 1616 01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:21,920 Speaker 1: It's safe for people. They in their home, they in 1617 01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:23,680 Speaker 1: the cubic, or they wherever they're at, there in their car. 1618 01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:26,839 Speaker 1: It's easy to say that the most salacious, crazy stuff 1619 01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:28,760 Speaker 1: when you don't have to pay the price for what 1620 01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:32,280 Speaker 1: you said exactly. And but that's that's the world we 1621 01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:32,600 Speaker 1: live in. 1622 01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:33,200 Speaker 3: But that's why I. 1623 01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:34,200 Speaker 2: Don't deal with social media. 1624 01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:38,760 Speaker 3: So like when people see responses and stuff like that, 1625 01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:42,080 Speaker 3: that's I have people dealing with that, you know what 1626 01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:44,559 Speaker 3: I mean. They might come to me and ask me, 1627 01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:47,200 Speaker 3: you know, what do you think or whatever. But I 1628 01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:50,599 Speaker 3: let my family. I let my daughter, my oldest daughter, 1629 01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:52,360 Speaker 3: read all of that stuff. She can't. 1630 01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:54,439 Speaker 2: She hates it. My wife she does that stuff. I don't. 1631 01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:57,960 Speaker 3: I stay away from it because I learned that everybody 1632 01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:01,599 Speaker 3: got an opinion, dre. What makes sure it is more 1633 01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:02,840 Speaker 3: and more valid than mine. 1634 01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:05,280 Speaker 2: That's it. 1635 01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:08,479 Speaker 3: And so when people when I'm talking boxing, I'm talking 1636 01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:11,880 Speaker 3: from my experience. You know, it might not be something 1637 01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,800 Speaker 3: that you like. But I'm unk. I'm a unk in 1638 01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:16,840 Speaker 3: the game. Now, man, you're unk too, believe it or 1639 01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:18,479 Speaker 3: not you unk, Dre. 1640 01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:21,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh you're kind of I'm still kind of Hey, 1641 01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:26,880 Speaker 1: you think I'm still nephew you I still feel like nephew. 1642 01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:32,800 Speaker 1: I still feel like the age category. I checked the 1643 01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:36,320 Speaker 1: unk box. Yeah, maybe saying that he man, come on, bro, 1644 01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:40,000 Speaker 1: like you look young and you don't feel like nephew, don't. 1645 01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:43,360 Speaker 1: It's about how you feel, right, I could be fifty, 1646 01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:46,519 Speaker 1: but of course I might be unk in real life. 1647 01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:48,559 Speaker 1: But just no, I feel like that. You but go ahead. 1648 01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:52,719 Speaker 3: But I just think that like the young fighters, because 1649 01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:55,519 Speaker 3: I was. I've been in their shoes to where you know, 1650 01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:58,200 Speaker 3: you're reacting to certain things or certain headlines or certain 1651 01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:00,640 Speaker 3: things that somebody said about you. It's the media and 1652 01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:04,479 Speaker 3: this like that. Like I was like them, you know, 1653 01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:07,200 Speaker 3: I was just like them. I remember, you know, uh 1654 01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:10,280 Speaker 3: Dan Rafael saying some stuff about me, but I wasn't. 1655 01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:12,160 Speaker 1: Danna said something about everybody. 1656 01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:15,080 Speaker 2: But I'm just saying I didn't. I didn't. I didn't outlash. 1657 01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:18,479 Speaker 3: I didn't, you know, I just proved them all wrong, right, 1658 01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:19,280 Speaker 3: there was. 1659 01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:19,960 Speaker 2: A different story. 1660 01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:21,960 Speaker 3: So like that social media, I didn't get on social 1661 01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:22,519 Speaker 3: media and go. 1662 01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:23,920 Speaker 2: Back and forth. Nah, I just. 1663 01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,400 Speaker 3: Prove you wrong. So the young fighters though, that's the 1664 01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:29,559 Speaker 3: game you can take. Just prove them wrong, Haini coming 1665 01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:31,519 Speaker 3: up and Norman coming up. 1666 01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:33,400 Speaker 2: Who doubt you? 1667 01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:34,160 Speaker 1: Prove them wrong. 1668 01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,639 Speaker 3: This is your opportunity to get your your last laugh. 1669 01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:40,840 Speaker 3: Prove them all wrong, and that's it. But if they're 1670 01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:44,519 Speaker 3: not talking about you, bro, period in any way, you 1671 01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:48,360 Speaker 3: ain't doing nothing right. You ain't doing nothing right dra. 1672 01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:51,360 Speaker 3: So when you look at it from a different perspective, 1673 01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:55,200 Speaker 3: when you getting heat from everywhere, man, and you understand 1674 01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:58,840 Speaker 3: what it's all about, that that little small talk don't 1675 01:16:58,880 --> 01:16:59,599 Speaker 3: mean nothing, bro. 1676 01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:01,240 Speaker 2: Just like you said, they over in. 1677 01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:03,680 Speaker 3: That cubicle, say over in this and they safe and 1678 01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,400 Speaker 3: far away from you, bro, because I know you won't 1679 01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:07,520 Speaker 3: say that to my face. 1680 01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:08,800 Speaker 1: And it ain't real because I didn't. I didn't have 1681 01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:11,000 Speaker 1: people say stuff throughout the years. And I'm like, man, 1682 01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:12,640 Speaker 1: you don't really feel like that. Oh my god, you 1683 01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,760 Speaker 1: were responding, Bro, I'm just playing reaction. Yeah, you're not 1684 01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,200 Speaker 1: really serious about this. But it's a scripture man that 1685 01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:21,640 Speaker 1: in a Bible that really helps me. Jesus said that 1686 01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:23,720 Speaker 1: woe one to you if all men speak well of you, 1687 01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:26,840 Speaker 1: In other words, if every nobody got nothing negative to 1688 01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:29,400 Speaker 1: say about you, like woe one to you. Like if 1689 01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:32,519 Speaker 1: everybody saying everything nice about you, it's gonna be some 1690 01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:34,880 Speaker 1: compromise there. You might not be standing on truth. You 1691 01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:38,040 Speaker 1: might not be standing for anything if nobody has nothing 1692 01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:39,519 Speaker 1: to say about you. There's a lot of time when 1693 01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:42,160 Speaker 1: you stand for something, you're gonna get some backlash, and 1694 01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:44,439 Speaker 1: the key and the growth comes with how you respond 1695 01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:47,320 Speaker 1: to it. Brother, I'm not taking what you just said personal. 1696 01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:49,320 Speaker 1: You don't even know me. And if I do know you, 1697 01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:51,559 Speaker 1: if I got to have a conversation with you, I 1698 01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:53,840 Speaker 1: have that. But the truth is is like you could 1699 01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:56,960 Speaker 1: say the craziest thing about me and my career. Brother, 1700 01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,920 Speaker 1: you're not stopping nothing. I'm still me, I still do 1701 01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:03,840 Speaker 1: what I did. I'm happy enjoying my life. Y'all out 1702 01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:07,280 Speaker 1: there watching us. That's how you're critique because you're watching us, 1703 01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:10,680 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna enjoy the rest of one day. Yeah. Oh, 1704 01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:12,719 Speaker 1: you do the same when you can get to that place. 1705 01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:16,360 Speaker 1: But the experiences that you went through, the many podcast 1706 01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:19,360 Speaker 1: stuff I've been through, that helps you evolve as a man, 1707 01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:22,439 Speaker 1: not just a fighter. Yes, rocket sit back and say, man, 1708 01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:27,360 Speaker 1: I understand it. How are you getting the Hall of Fame? Brother. Yeah, 1709 01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:29,960 Speaker 1: moving on with my day. I can't lit. I can't 1710 01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,679 Speaker 1: give you that kind of control over me somebody way 1711 01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:34,960 Speaker 1: on another part of the world or somebody in another city. 1712 01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:38,559 Speaker 1: You can't decide to do something or say something on 1713 01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:42,040 Speaker 1: social media it's a writer, blogger, YouTuber and think that 1714 01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:44,320 Speaker 1: you're gonna make my day bad because you said something 1715 01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:46,960 Speaker 1: that's far too much control. We learn to not give 1716 01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:50,479 Speaker 1: people that kind of control. Right, And that block button 1717 01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:54,880 Speaker 1: code too. I love that block button that's talking crazy 1718 01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:56,080 Speaker 1: and I ain't got time today. 1719 01:18:56,840 --> 01:19:00,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, some days I have time, some days that don't. 1720 01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:03,360 Speaker 3: And I choose my battles wisely. Yeah, I just know 1721 01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:07,400 Speaker 3: and just know that when I do use my battles 1722 01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:11,639 Speaker 3: that I'm coming with fire, bro right, And I mean 1723 01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:13,960 Speaker 3: what I say, and that's just what it is. But 1724 01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:19,720 Speaker 3: I mean other than that, Drey, you know boxing man, 1725 01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:22,240 Speaker 3: You know, you know the sport man, it's a very 1726 01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:24,439 Speaker 3: fecal sport. You got to get in, you got to 1727 01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:25,960 Speaker 3: get your money, you got to get out with all 1728 01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:30,719 Speaker 3: your faculties. Sometimes I think think of, you know, some fighters. 1729 01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:32,320 Speaker 3: You know what, I'll tell you something that I've kind 1730 01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:35,840 Speaker 3: of learned since I've been getting back in shape, and 1731 01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:38,680 Speaker 3: I want to say something to like many Pacao and 1732 01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:39,680 Speaker 3: stuff because I was a little bit. 1733 01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:40,200 Speaker 2: I would say I. 1734 01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:43,320 Speaker 3: Was hard on him a while back when he was returning. 1735 01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:46,120 Speaker 3: But now I understand it because I'm starting to get 1736 01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:49,800 Speaker 3: back in shape. I'm running every day, training, boxing training, 1737 01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:53,439 Speaker 3: I'm doing my thing. Muscle memory is a real thing. 1738 01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:59,679 Speaker 3: It is these hands they work, they still fast, these 1739 01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:03,280 Speaker 3: leg stay still moving. That head movement is still there, 1740 01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:07,320 Speaker 3: that experience is still in me. Right, and you're beginning 1741 01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:09,040 Speaker 3: to feel good and start feeling. 1742 01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:11,439 Speaker 2: Like you can do it again. 1743 01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:12,400 Speaker 1: Right. 1744 01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:15,519 Speaker 3: You have a lot of experience to go along with that. 1745 01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:19,600 Speaker 3: But it don't matter. I'm starting to feel like it 1746 01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:23,680 Speaker 3: don't matter to age. Man. It's the mindset. So if 1747 01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:28,599 Speaker 3: you can physically do something, it don't matter how old 1748 01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:32,360 Speaker 3: you are, bro, Like i was thinking Many Pacao forty 1749 01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:34,200 Speaker 3: six years old, looking at the back end of his 1750 01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:38,360 Speaker 3: career and thinking he can get hurt. This's a young 1751 01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:46,599 Speaker 3: man's sport. But I'm starting to stay think you know what, man, I. 1752 01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:47,240 Speaker 1: Can do it too. 1753 01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:52,960 Speaker 3: I feel it, I know it. 1754 01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:54,000 Speaker 2: It's the mindset. 1755 01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:56,800 Speaker 3: He still has passion for the sport and love for 1756 01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:57,240 Speaker 3: the sport. 1757 01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:57,479 Speaker 2: Bro. 1758 01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:00,960 Speaker 3: There's some guys that probably don't have that passion and 1759 01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:03,640 Speaker 3: love for the sport like he does, and they just 1760 01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:05,920 Speaker 3: doing it because they primarily need to be able to eat, 1761 01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:12,120 Speaker 3: you know. But Manny Packard's a legend man. He's done 1762 01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:13,960 Speaker 3: it at the highest level for a very long time. 1763 01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:16,720 Speaker 3: And so you know, even with that age, bro, it 1764 01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,240 Speaker 3: just means that he's a special, special type of fighter, 1765 01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:20,200 Speaker 3: you know. 1766 01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:21,720 Speaker 2: But he wants to do it. 1767 01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:23,840 Speaker 1: And the truth is, you can't get hurt, you know, 1768 01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:26,200 Speaker 1: you can't get her doing the sport, and that's always 1769 01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:28,400 Speaker 1: something we gotta deal with, especially as you get older. 1770 01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:32,040 Speaker 1: But you know, hearing you talk right now, like are 1771 01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:34,880 Speaker 1: you talking like like you making a comeback or you 1772 01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:37,160 Speaker 1: just just want to get in shape just in case 1773 01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:38,000 Speaker 1: somebody I. 1774 01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:38,800 Speaker 2: Want to get in shape. 1775 01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:39,439 Speaker 1: I'm getting one. 1776 01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:41,439 Speaker 3: I want to get in shape because it's just in case. 1777 01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:46,240 Speaker 3: You know, that's it, just in case. 1778 01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:47,200 Speaker 1: What's your wife saying? 1779 01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:51,400 Speaker 2: She don't like it? My wife hates it, every second 1780 01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:51,640 Speaker 2: of it. 1781 01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:52,960 Speaker 1: You know. 1782 01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:55,160 Speaker 3: I was up this morning, five thirty in the morning 1783 01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:57,439 Speaker 3: on the road hitting that roadwork. 1784 01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:59,200 Speaker 1: Whether you running in five thirty five. 1785 01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:00,719 Speaker 2: Thirty, ain't playing dre. 1786 01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:06,680 Speaker 3: Brouh when you when you tap in you turn that 1787 01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:11,400 Speaker 3: switch on, Bro, it's hard to turn it off. 1788 01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:12,120 Speaker 1: That's the situation. 1789 01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:14,960 Speaker 2: When Jay Lean woke you up, did it? 1790 01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:17,559 Speaker 1: So that's what did it. That's that's that's the origin, 1791 01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:18,240 Speaker 1: that's what did it. 1792 01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:22,519 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh absolutely, that's what turned my switch on, Bro. 1793 01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:26,320 Speaker 2: And I'm like, I'm gonna show you. 1794 01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:30,639 Speaker 3: I'm gonna show you and I'm willing to do whatever 1795 01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:34,519 Speaker 3: it takes to make sure that I show you what 1796 01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:35,439 Speaker 3: I'm talking about. 1797 01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:37,599 Speaker 2: That's it. 1798 01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:42,280 Speaker 3: So I think it's a game. I ain't playing, Jay Lean. 1799 01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:45,080 Speaker 3: I'm not playing with you, Bro, I'm not playing with you. 1800 01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:50,000 Speaker 3: I will smoke you and Jake Paul same night, Homie, 1801 01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:54,120 Speaker 3: two for one. I'm not playing. Seriously, Hey, I'm here. 1802 01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:56,439 Speaker 3: You told me to get in shape. I'm getting in shape. 1803 01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:59,479 Speaker 3: But I don't I don't think you understand Jay. I 1804 01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:01,559 Speaker 3: don't think you understand what tree you're barking under. 1805 01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:01,800 Speaker 1: Man. 1806 01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:04,679 Speaker 3: You're barking up on a real one Hall of Famer 1807 01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:08,759 Speaker 3: homie straight up. Yeah, And I'm gonna show you, Ballet. 1808 01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:12,360 Speaker 3: I'm gonna show you, bro, for real. So say what 1809 01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,840 Speaker 3: you want to say, Go and hide in your little 1810 01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:19,800 Speaker 3: dirty corner, do what you do. But again, tell Jakie Jake. 1811 01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:25,320 Speaker 3: I hope Jake survives. Joshua this, Joshua, I hope Jake. 1812 01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:28,280 Speaker 3: I hope you survive. You know, I know Joshua ain't 1813 01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:30,240 Speaker 3: what he was before, but he should be able to 1814 01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:32,680 Speaker 3: get that done. He should be able to get that 1815 01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:35,920 Speaker 3: done if he ain't signed that n DA, right, yeah, 1816 01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:39,719 Speaker 3: you know the NDA. You please don't hurt me, Hey Wade, 1817 01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:45,080 Speaker 3: I gotta win, man, Bro, if you get in the 1818 01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:47,720 Speaker 3: ring with a sixty five year old. 1819 01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:51,439 Speaker 1: Mike Tyson, Bro, you know what they're saying about you, bro? 1820 01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:55,519 Speaker 3: People Bro, people were thinking that Mike Tyson had a 1821 01:23:55,640 --> 01:24:00,599 Speaker 3: chance that bro, that shows you how shows you how 1822 01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:05,200 Speaker 3: call Mike is though that Yeah, Mike, Mike did a 1823 01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:07,880 Speaker 3: great job, and Mike was in his best shape he 1824 01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:08,840 Speaker 3: could be in at that age. 1825 01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:11,400 Speaker 1: I interviewed it. That man looked like a piece of steel. 1826 01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:15,240 Speaker 1: I gave him a hug. I said, Mike, you stip here, brother, Yeah. 1827 01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:16,680 Speaker 1: And then when he walked in, he looked like a 1828 01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:19,439 Speaker 1: little lion or Mike walked in the room. And I 1829 01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:21,920 Speaker 1: don't intimidate easy, And I ain't saying I was intimidating, 1830 01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:25,320 Speaker 1: but I'm just saying I understood why guys getting intimidated 1831 01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:28,280 Speaker 1: by Mike Tyson because he still got that. People believed 1832 01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:31,799 Speaker 1: in the idea of Mike and the videos he was posting. 1833 01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:34,720 Speaker 1: And you know, but your body only gonna do so 1834 01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:35,320 Speaker 1: much at that. 1835 01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:36,600 Speaker 3: That's ridiculous. 1836 01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:38,640 Speaker 1: It's only gonna do so much of that. 1837 01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:41,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it, but that's ridiculous. The dude, this 1838 01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:44,040 Speaker 3: is the senior citizen. Bro get in the ring. 1839 01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:46,599 Speaker 1: I ain't know I ever seen a citizen come on, bro. 1840 01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:47,960 Speaker 2: All the knowledge on his body. 1841 01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:50,559 Speaker 3: Bro, I got how did That's what I'm telling you. 1842 01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:53,280 Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. You dumbing down the sport. People 1843 01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:56,240 Speaker 3: were literally thinking that Mike. 1844 01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:56,759 Speaker 1: Had a chance. 1845 01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:58,960 Speaker 2: And I'm like, but whose fault is that? 1846 01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:04,080 Speaker 3: Well, it takes to the tangle, but the one that 1847 01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,880 Speaker 3: was able to frame it up, it's Jake. 1848 01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:10,720 Speaker 1: How you frame it though? Mike playing this port too. 1849 01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:13,400 Speaker 2: I understand Mike got his money. 1850 01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:17,400 Speaker 1: Mike got look into that camera and say something to you. 1851 01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:18,479 Speaker 1: You're probably gonna believe it. 1852 01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:21,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand, Dre. I understand all the money. I 1853 01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:26,240 Speaker 3: understand all of that stuff, man, But look, you're still 1854 01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:30,880 Speaker 3: dumbing down the sport. That was a joke. That was 1855 01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:34,920 Speaker 3: the curfus, bro, and it's Tank Davis fight Gladys got 1856 01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:36,519 Speaker 3: postponed or whatever it is. 1857 01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:37,320 Speaker 2: It's not happening. 1858 01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:41,320 Speaker 3: That was a joke fight too, bro, because when I'm 1859 01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:43,479 Speaker 3: your life in the sport, Bro, you. 1860 01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:44,200 Speaker 2: Did it from the crib. 1861 01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:46,240 Speaker 3: No, you did it from the crib all the way 1862 01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:48,000 Speaker 3: up and worked your way to the top. 1863 01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:48,200 Speaker 1: Bro. 1864 01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:50,880 Speaker 2: It's different. 1865 01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:54,040 Speaker 3: We have a different respect for the game, and we 1866 01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:55,120 Speaker 3: all got to follow. 1867 01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:56,439 Speaker 2: The same script. 1868 01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:59,240 Speaker 3: Just because you you popular, you can follow. You can 1869 01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:00,360 Speaker 3: follow on the difference script. 1870 01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:00,519 Speaker 1: Bro. 1871 01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:05,120 Speaker 3: You gotta earn your stripes just like everybody else. You 1872 01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:09,080 Speaker 3: didn't earn the fight with Mike Tyson. You didn't earn that. 1873 01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:11,840 Speaker 3: You shouldn't even been in the ring with him. Bro, 1874 01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:15,000 Speaker 3: you've only been in the game five years. That's where 1875 01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:18,280 Speaker 3: I think Drake. I'm torn on him, BRO, Like I don't. 1876 01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:23,720 Speaker 1: I personally don't like like Jake Paul ain't aut that 1877 01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:26,639 Speaker 1: old world champion stuff like, and it could happen because 1878 01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:30,519 Speaker 1: you know how these sanctioning bodies play. But I don't 1879 01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:35,320 Speaker 1: knock him for his whole movement because if you build 1880 01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:39,280 Speaker 1: something outside of this sport, right, and those people follow 1881 01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:44,680 Speaker 1: you to the sport and they're buying tickets or they're streaming. 1882 01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:50,960 Speaker 1: If it's so bad, then people shouldn't turn in because 1883 01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:54,040 Speaker 1: if he can get the numbers that he is getting, 1884 01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:56,960 Speaker 1: it's hard. It's hard to say. You just got to 1885 01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:00,519 Speaker 1: understand what it is. It's not it's not you face 1886 01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:03,519 Speaker 1: certain guys, it's not real boxing in this situation with 1887 01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:05,760 Speaker 1: Anthony Joshua, that's a real fight. 1888 01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:09,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, at least on paper, on paper. 1889 01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,200 Speaker 1: But I can't knock you for you. I can't knock 1890 01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:15,360 Speaker 1: your hustle when you've built something outside of boxing and 1891 01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:16,840 Speaker 1: you say, hey, you know, I'm coming over here to 1892 01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:19,840 Speaker 1: the sport now, and I'm gonna pick and choose who 1893 01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:23,680 Speaker 1: I fight. Y'all come come follow me if they follow him, Man, 1894 01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:26,000 Speaker 1: I just understand what it is. I know what I'm 1895 01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,200 Speaker 1: looking at. You not gonna fool me over here. Save 1896 01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:30,280 Speaker 1: that stuff for the other people, because I'm not gonna 1897 01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:32,160 Speaker 1: believe that you I'm the face of No, you're not 1898 01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:34,000 Speaker 1: the face of box I'm not giving you that because 1899 01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:35,040 Speaker 1: that's for a lifer. 1900 01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:36,080 Speaker 2: But that's what he believes. 1901 01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:37,840 Speaker 1: That's cool. I can't knock it for that. People believe 1902 01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:39,360 Speaker 1: a lot of things for a lot of different reasons. 1903 01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:42,880 Speaker 1: I'm just saying you can do all the row Ross stuff. 1904 01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,840 Speaker 1: That's your business. But I just know what I'm looking 1905 01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:49,280 Speaker 1: at right. But on the on the monetary side and 1906 01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:53,160 Speaker 1: it being an event, the truth is that when he 1907 01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:57,960 Speaker 1: does fight, it does bring attention around the sport. People debate, 1908 01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:01,320 Speaker 1: they argue, people want to see the is it legit? 1909 01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:03,679 Speaker 1: Is it him and Mike Tyson. No, it's an event, 1910 01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:06,599 Speaker 1: That's what it is. Visit an event. 1911 01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:09,240 Speaker 3: It's not a fight dragon, these type of things fight 1912 01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:10,479 Speaker 3: for years. 1913 01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:13,799 Speaker 1: Ali did it sugaring Robinson did listen to those names, 1914 01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:15,600 Speaker 1: Dray I got you. 1915 01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:17,320 Speaker 2: Look at those listen to those names. 1916 01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:18,200 Speaker 1: I feel like we're back at. 1917 01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:21,320 Speaker 3: You can call me a call mean, I hate or whatever, 1918 01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:23,280 Speaker 3: but I'm saying, listen to those names that you just 1919 01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:24,080 Speaker 3: ran off. 1920 01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:25,559 Speaker 2: Bro, I'm just a game. 1921 01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:28,759 Speaker 3: He did it to those the legends in the game. 1922 01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:31,360 Speaker 1: But I cat it homage completely. 1923 01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:34,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a dude that's been foxing five years. 1924 01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:36,360 Speaker 1: Look what I've done in. 1925 01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:39,280 Speaker 3: Five years, Bro, you ain't done nothing in the sport. 1926 01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:41,320 Speaker 1: Bro. Just got to know what it is though, I 1927 01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:44,599 Speaker 1: just understand it, Like you know, Lo, it's a lot 1928 01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:46,200 Speaker 1: of rock rock. I'm not man, Come on, man, I'm 1929 01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:48,640 Speaker 1: not trying to hear all that. I'm gonna tell you 1930 01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:52,320 Speaker 1: what Nazi told me. Nwazien Richardson, man, my guy man. Anyways, 1931 01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:55,960 Speaker 1: got listen, listen Nazim say, I hear what you're saying, 1932 01:28:56,920 --> 01:28:59,800 Speaker 1: but I'm too busy watching what you're doing. I don't 1933 01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:02,000 Speaker 1: get call up in Rod just I know what I'm 1934 01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:05,439 Speaker 1: looking at. Brother. It may fool that crowd, but it's 1935 01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:08,160 Speaker 1: not fooling this crowd. So I just me personally. I 1936 01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:09,800 Speaker 1: ain't saying my view is right. I'm just saying the 1937 01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:11,840 Speaker 1: way I see it. It's kind of I try to 1938 01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:13,760 Speaker 1: fight for balance, like I see what you're doing. But 1939 01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:16,160 Speaker 1: then but then, but also respect to hers. So you 1940 01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:18,759 Speaker 1: got these people to come over here, and by this respect, 1941 01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:22,519 Speaker 1: I'm not a person that's like now, if you get 1942 01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:26,040 Speaker 1: out of line, start talking about this fighter can't beat 1943 01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:27,679 Speaker 1: me on the face of box, and then you gonna 1944 01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:30,519 Speaker 1: hear me say something now because because we really do this, 1945 01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:32,760 Speaker 1: and we have really done this and as fighters that's 1946 01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:35,599 Speaker 1: still doing it, and we really took the licks. It 1947 01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:37,960 Speaker 1: wasn't part time, it was full time. So then you 1948 01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:39,479 Speaker 1: may hear me speak up. And in terms of your 1949 01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:41,320 Speaker 1: money and what you're doing. And if him and Mike 1950 01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:44,519 Speaker 1: can put something together like that, and Mike can get 1951 01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:48,280 Speaker 1: a shot in the arm financially like that for that 1952 01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:50,880 Speaker 1: kind of fight, knowing what we gotta do for money 1953 01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:54,479 Speaker 1: in boxing, knowing that the type of punishment you gotta 1954 01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:57,599 Speaker 1: take even if you win. Man, brother, gone get your money. Brother, 1955 01:29:58,000 --> 01:29:59,840 Speaker 1: at that age, man, Mike, go and get your money, 1956 01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:01,720 Speaker 1: Get your money, Mike. 1957 01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:04,200 Speaker 2: Mike should be embarrassed. 1958 01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:09,080 Speaker 3: Why he should be embarrassed, Bro, j Paul got his 1959 01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:12,639 Speaker 3: name on his resume, should be embarrassed. 1960 01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:15,479 Speaker 2: Period. Keep it real, money money, bro. 1961 01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:17,599 Speaker 3: Listen, keep it real, keep it real with me. 1962 01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:24,280 Speaker 1: Try to put yourself in Mike Tyson's shoes. They hit you, 1963 01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:26,040 Speaker 1: and I don't know the numbers for sure, but I'm 1964 01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:28,320 Speaker 1: gonna just throw these numbers out. Hey man, it's just 1965 01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:31,599 Speaker 1: Jake Paul kid. Man. You know he want to fight you. 1966 01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:35,080 Speaker 1: I ain't fighting that kid. Hey man. It's probably forty 1967 01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:37,920 Speaker 1: on the type, probably fifty. You gotta getting shaped though. 1968 01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:40,080 Speaker 1: You got about six months to getting shaped though. And 1969 01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:42,200 Speaker 1: you bring that old Mike Tyson r back like you know, 1970 01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:44,559 Speaker 1: they'll probably buy it. You telling me you wouldn't take 1971 01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:45,720 Speaker 1: that fight to get that forty piece. 1972 01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:48,200 Speaker 3: No if if, if I know that I can't beat him, 1973 01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:49,040 Speaker 3: though I wouldn't take it. 1974 01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:52,559 Speaker 1: He believed it can beat the stop man stop. 1975 01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:56,040 Speaker 3: He was in there biting his glove, bro, Like Michael's 1976 01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:57,680 Speaker 3: in there biting his glove. Bro. 1977 01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:00,479 Speaker 1: I mean to tell me that, Mike's the same way 1978 01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:02,599 Speaker 1: you was talking greasy a few minutes ago. No, bro 1979 01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:06,040 Speaker 1: about I'm ready, Mike. You're gonna feel like that when 1980 01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:06,639 Speaker 1: you sixty. 1981 01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:10,920 Speaker 3: I promise you you there's one thing right, there's one 1982 01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:12,439 Speaker 3: thing to think you can do it, but it's another 1983 01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:13,120 Speaker 3: thing to show up. 1984 01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:14,800 Speaker 1: I'm trying to find out that, not in a fight. 1985 01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:17,479 Speaker 3: Hell no, you find that out in this sparing you 1986 01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:20,040 Speaker 3: if you being honest with yourself, you being you find 1987 01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:24,800 Speaker 3: out you got people honestly you do around your get trash. 1988 01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:29,599 Speaker 1: You can get easy. Now you don't get easy. Sparing 1989 01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:32,519 Speaker 1: for that. You ain't gonna take that forty piece. No 1990 01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:35,679 Speaker 1: to lose. Hell you don't think he was gonna lose. 1991 01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:39,200 Speaker 1: And I'm like, hey, Mike, believe that. Come on, man, listen, 1992 01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:41,920 Speaker 1: Either Mike sell listen. Either Mike is a good salesman 1993 01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:45,320 Speaker 1: or I sat there with him. I think he was 1994 01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:48,280 Speaker 1: two weeks out or something like that, saying I said, Mike, 1995 01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:52,040 Speaker 1: how you gonna do this? Listen, brother, losing is not 1996 01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:55,200 Speaker 1: an option. Listen to me. Listen to me. Listen to me. 1997 01:31:56,320 --> 01:31:57,120 Speaker 1: I believed it. 1998 01:31:57,800 --> 01:31:59,680 Speaker 2: I sure as hell didn't. 1999 01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:02,880 Speaker 1: And I believe. Look now, my other boxing brain was like, yeah, 2000 01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:06,000 Speaker 1: but Mic sixty know, but the other part of me 2001 01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:07,720 Speaker 1: wanted to believe because it was Mike. But the other 2002 01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:10,320 Speaker 1: part of me was like, I at least sixty though. Brother, Listen, 2003 01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:12,960 Speaker 1: I think you're gonna take that forty or fifty piece. No, 2004 01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:14,559 Speaker 1: got there and dance with Jake Money. 2005 01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:17,240 Speaker 2: Don't move me like that, bro, Money, don't move me 2006 01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:17,439 Speaker 2: like that. 2007 01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:19,800 Speaker 1: You don't believe. You're gonna be disrespected that he called 2008 01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:23,639 Speaker 1: your name. Who if you Mike Tyson and he's called 2009 01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:26,000 Speaker 1: I want to fight Mike. You're gonna feel disrespected that 2010 01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:28,360 Speaker 1: he would even put it put your name in his mouth, Dre. 2011 01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:31,720 Speaker 2: I tell you all the time, man, talk to me. 2012 01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:34,720 Speaker 3: Look, I might be reckless, but at the same time, 2013 01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:35,560 Speaker 3: I'm calculated. 2014 01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:37,960 Speaker 1: Bro, you're gonna take that fifty piece forty piece. 2015 01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:40,960 Speaker 3: I'm calculated. I'm not finna go out there and embarrass 2016 01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:44,720 Speaker 3: my sport. Having all these people betting money on me 2017 01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:47,000 Speaker 3: to win a fight and go out there and do 2018 01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:50,080 Speaker 3: what I did. I can't do it, not for money, Bro, 2019 01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:53,040 Speaker 3: Not for money. Money don't mean that much to me. Man, 2020 01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:56,120 Speaker 3: My dignity, what I have internal, Bro, that means more 2021 01:32:56,160 --> 01:32:58,920 Speaker 3: to me. Bro, being a man, being a fighter, being 2022 01:32:58,960 --> 01:32:59,759 Speaker 3: a being a warrior. 2023 01:32:59,800 --> 01:32:59,920 Speaker 1: Bro. 2024 01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:01,840 Speaker 3: And if I if I want to go in there 2025 01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:03,559 Speaker 3: and put that type of performance on it, I can't get 2026 01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:05,200 Speaker 3: it done against that guy right there. 2027 01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:07,880 Speaker 2: Bro, I'm not putting food. I don't care how much 2028 01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:09,240 Speaker 2: money it is. I'm not gonna do that. 2029 01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:10,920 Speaker 1: Figured it out. It was too late to fight. 2030 01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:13,080 Speaker 2: It already started. Well, I get it. I understand that. 2031 01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:15,120 Speaker 1: What you saying. You thought your fight with junior winner. 2032 01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:16,360 Speaker 2: Forty five thousand. 2033 01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:17,960 Speaker 1: For a championship fight for forty five thousand. 2034 01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:19,760 Speaker 3: That's why I told you, ain't gonna take a forty piece. 2035 01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:21,080 Speaker 2: If it makes. 2036 01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:23,080 Speaker 3: Sense, and if I don't go out there and embarrass myself, 2037 01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:25,080 Speaker 3: and I truly feel that I can win the fight, 2038 01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:28,400 Speaker 3: and I'm showing it inside the ring. Are you can 2039 01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:32,120 Speaker 3: You can think something already, Dray, you can think, you 2040 01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:36,000 Speaker 3: always think, But how I'm performing in here, that's real. 2041 01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:37,160 Speaker 1: That's too late that's real. 2042 01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:40,439 Speaker 3: You gotta understand that. But I won't sign something unless 2043 01:33:40,479 --> 01:33:42,759 Speaker 3: I know that I'm ready, that I'm ready mentally. 2044 01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:44,360 Speaker 1: See, I'm different. I'm see. 2045 01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:48,400 Speaker 3: Most people don't think I'm calculated. Bro, I'm calculated too 2046 01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:51,519 Speaker 3: to a degree. I'm ready, but I'm calculated too. 2047 01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:52,840 Speaker 1: So with me. 2048 01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:57,720 Speaker 3: And I'm saying Jay Leon love and I've already dreamt this, 2049 01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:01,679 Speaker 3: I've already been visualized this. I'm training for it. I 2050 01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:03,120 Speaker 3: feel it in my bones, bro. 2051 01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:07,320 Speaker 1: But some people would say Tim tripping. He crazy. I 2052 01:34:07,439 --> 01:34:11,320 Speaker 1: understand it because I'm a fighter. But that another person 2053 01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:12,719 Speaker 1: may say, Man, you're tripping. 2054 01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:16,920 Speaker 3: I want this bum out of sport, Bro, Jake, I want. 2055 01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:19,120 Speaker 1: Him out, That's just it. He's gonna try to beat 2056 01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:19,800 Speaker 1: him out the sport. 2057 01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:22,640 Speaker 2: Why not? Why not? 2058 01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:27,439 Speaker 1: Dre for real? Why not? 2059 01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:29,880 Speaker 3: I want to do that out of sport, bro, for real? 2060 01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:33,120 Speaker 3: Because now he's making things worse for the other. 2061 01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:33,639 Speaker 1: The other ones. 2062 01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:37,080 Speaker 3: Nobody sees it because they're gonna be watching him. 2063 01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:38,559 Speaker 1: They're not gonna want to watch the cor. 2064 01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:41,080 Speaker 3: Nobody's gonna want to watch the cor or watch a 2065 01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:43,519 Speaker 3: real fight. They want to see Jake Paul. They want 2066 01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:47,280 Speaker 3: to see the show. They want to he's taking their imagination. 2067 01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:51,479 Speaker 3: He's dumbing down the people, the casuals too, and he's 2068 01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:54,840 Speaker 3: putting on these damn shows and you know, oh man, 2069 01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:57,439 Speaker 3: he fight Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson got a chance and 2070 01:34:57,479 --> 01:34:59,880 Speaker 3: all this stuff. When you have a cold a cold 2071 01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:03,080 Speaker 3: fighter and Schaport Stevenson dog that everybody's gonna look at 2072 01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:07,280 Speaker 3: him be like, well, he's all right. You know, he's 2073 01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:10,719 Speaker 3: not Jake Paul. He's not doing numbers like Jake Paul. 2074 01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:14,160 Speaker 3: He's not making money like Jake Paul. Like I have 2075 01:35:14,240 --> 01:35:15,320 Speaker 3: a problem with that. Bro. 2076 01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:19,599 Speaker 2: For me, I'm just saying, like, are they people gonna 2077 01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:22,760 Speaker 2: support a Chakor or. 2078 01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:25,000 Speaker 3: A key Sean or you know, any of these other 2079 01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:26,599 Speaker 3: guys man that's on the rise. 2080 01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:27,599 Speaker 1: If they know what they're looking at. 2081 01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:32,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, But if you keep it having that, because that 2082 01:35:32,479 --> 01:35:35,360 Speaker 3: keeps saying how great he is and how he's this, 2083 01:35:35,479 --> 01:35:38,160 Speaker 3: and how he's that, and he's. 2084 01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:39,760 Speaker 1: All lies, He's not. 2085 01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:42,960 Speaker 3: As soon as you as soon as you hit this 2086 01:35:43,080 --> 01:35:46,480 Speaker 3: dude in his face, bro, as soon as Chavez decided 2087 01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:49,559 Speaker 3: to throw in the last two rounds, it was easy. 2088 01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:54,639 Speaker 3: And I'm talking about Chavis Junior off the couch literally 2089 01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:56,759 Speaker 3: it was easy. 2090 01:35:59,240 --> 01:36:01,679 Speaker 1: So this is when we that's all that's we're looking 2091 01:36:01,720 --> 01:36:04,160 Speaker 1: at the same patient. We just see it totally different 2092 01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:07,000 Speaker 1: because I look at it, like I've heard people say 2093 01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:11,599 Speaker 1: that for years about even the celebrity boxing or whatever, 2094 01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:14,800 Speaker 1: all these people doing these exhibitions taking away from the sport. 2095 01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:18,160 Speaker 1: I look at it quite quite differently. I look at 2096 01:36:18,200 --> 01:36:21,440 Speaker 1: it like it's really just showing the level we at. 2097 01:36:22,479 --> 01:36:23,840 Speaker 1: You could put that out there, you could put you 2098 01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:25,759 Speaker 1: could put that, you could you could put that product 2099 01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:28,439 Speaker 1: out there, but you gonna really see like, oh, this 2100 01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:31,160 Speaker 1: boxing thing ain't really as easy as they trying to 2101 01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:34,479 Speaker 1: make it seem like that's elite right there, that that's 2102 01:36:34,520 --> 01:36:37,280 Speaker 1: a real guy right there. That's how I look at it. Yeah. 2103 01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:40,120 Speaker 1: But we can talk about this stuff, man all day. Yeah, 2104 01:36:40,120 --> 01:36:41,479 Speaker 1: we want to get back to the career. 2105 01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:41,720 Speaker 3: Bro. 2106 01:36:41,800 --> 01:36:44,280 Speaker 1: All right, man, you pivot from many pack yard one, 2107 01:36:44,439 --> 01:36:46,280 Speaker 1: all the drama that happened after the fight, and you 2108 01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:48,880 Speaker 1: just it's just nine short months later, you fight a 2109 01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:53,559 Speaker 1: guy named Rujlan Provannikoff. When you first saw him fight, 2110 01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:55,639 Speaker 1: did you think the fight was gonna be the way 2111 01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:56,160 Speaker 1: that it was? 2112 01:36:56,439 --> 01:36:58,280 Speaker 3: I knew it was gonna be tough because he could 2113 01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:02,320 Speaker 3: punch and he could boss a little bit too, but 2114 01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:04,440 Speaker 3: I knew that I can I box them. 2115 01:37:04,640 --> 01:37:08,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I knew you didn't what you did. 2116 01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:11,160 Speaker 3: Look, man, look let me tell you a story. 2117 01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:11,400 Speaker 1: Man. 2118 01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:17,519 Speaker 3: Guess who I got to speak to before that fight. 2119 01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:19,200 Speaker 1: My research Lewis. 2120 01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:20,080 Speaker 2: Ray Lewis Bro. 2121 01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:23,920 Speaker 1: You're responsible for this. 2122 01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:27,000 Speaker 3: Ray Lewis Bro. So the vision was to go in 2123 01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:28,080 Speaker 3: there and box his ears off. 2124 01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:29,080 Speaker 1: That's what you around. 2125 01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:33,439 Speaker 3: Oh, that's what we trained for. But when ray Lewis 2126 01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:37,200 Speaker 3: told me how I can get my fans back, how 2127 01:37:37,240 --> 01:37:41,120 Speaker 3: I can change my career is by showing what I'm 2128 01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:43,000 Speaker 3: made of internally. 2129 01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:50,200 Speaker 1: That football talk boy boxing bro. Right do right? 2130 01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:51,080 Speaker 3: Thank you? Right? 2131 01:37:51,400 --> 01:37:52,240 Speaker 1: Hey? What is like? 2132 01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:55,120 Speaker 3: It's bittersweet man. This is in the locker room. Yeah, 2133 01:37:55,120 --> 01:37:59,120 Speaker 3: in the locker room. So FaceTime, FaceTime bro, Yeah, it 2134 01:37:59,160 --> 01:38:00,280 Speaker 3: was a FaceTime. 2135 01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:01,160 Speaker 1: And he was like, you go out there. 2136 01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:02,920 Speaker 2: You know, you get an opportunity. 2137 01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:05,400 Speaker 3: A lot of people don't have these type of opportunities. 2138 01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:08,920 Speaker 3: So you get opportunities to show people what you made of, 2139 01:38:09,439 --> 01:38:13,799 Speaker 3: show people why you here, you know, show them your talent. 2140 01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:17,599 Speaker 3: If you do that and you put it all out there, 2141 01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:21,439 Speaker 3: they gonna love you, you know. And I was like, 2142 01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:25,639 Speaker 3: and I was desperate because at that point my name 2143 01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:26,120 Speaker 3: was mud. 2144 01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:26,360 Speaker 1: Bro. 2145 01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:29,639 Speaker 2: You know, I look back at. 2146 01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:31,080 Speaker 3: That situation, man, and I say. 2147 01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:33,920 Speaker 2: Damn, what could I have done? 2148 01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:34,200 Speaker 1: Man? 2149 01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:39,120 Speaker 3: But then I say to myself, then I won't be 2150 01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:42,479 Speaker 3: fair to me. So if I get a belt back, 2151 01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:45,920 Speaker 3: I look like a hero, but then I won't be 2152 01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:46,320 Speaker 3: fair to me. 2153 01:38:46,360 --> 01:38:47,559 Speaker 2: Because I felt I wanted to fight. 2154 01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:49,720 Speaker 3: I felt it was close, could have win either way, 2155 01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:52,519 Speaker 3: but I felt like I wanted to fight. So but 2156 01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:55,839 Speaker 3: going into that rouselan fight man, the game plan. 2157 01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:58,240 Speaker 2: Was the box box box. 2158 01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:01,040 Speaker 3: Speaking to Ray Lewis, just then walking out there and 2159 01:39:01,080 --> 01:39:04,160 Speaker 3: then seeing him and then having all those emotions put 2160 01:39:04,200 --> 01:39:06,599 Speaker 3: pented up in me man, from the from the MANI 2161 01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:11,360 Speaker 3: pac ol fight the controversy, and knowing that. 2162 01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:13,280 Speaker 2: Hey, I'm finna go to war with this man. 2163 01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:15,720 Speaker 3: I'm willing to do it whatever it takes, and do 2164 01:39:15,800 --> 01:39:19,040 Speaker 3: whatever it takes to show everybody what I'm made of. Bro. 2165 01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:23,880 Speaker 3: When he hit me with that first right hand, right, hey, 2166 01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:27,320 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie, Bro. I don't know how I 2167 01:39:27,320 --> 01:39:30,840 Speaker 3: didn't go to sleep. I should have been knocked out 2168 01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:35,400 Speaker 3: with that first right hand. I knew from that point on, 2169 01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:37,120 Speaker 3: I knew it was gonna be it's gonna be a tough, 2170 01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:40,840 Speaker 3: tough fight. I'll tell you another thing that any people 2171 01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:44,280 Speaker 3: don't really know. I struggled making weight that fight. You 2172 01:39:44,360 --> 01:39:47,680 Speaker 3: said that nine months in between, Well, I ballooned up. 2173 01:39:48,280 --> 01:39:50,639 Speaker 3: You know, I'm meeting all them twinkies and you're dealing 2174 01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:50,840 Speaker 3: with it. 2175 01:39:51,200 --> 01:39:52,040 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know. 2176 01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:54,280 Speaker 3: So I blew up and wait, and I had a 2177 01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:56,200 Speaker 3: certain amount of time eight weeks to get ready for 2178 01:39:56,240 --> 01:40:00,400 Speaker 3: a fight and drop off. Yeah, and drop off close 2179 01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:05,680 Speaker 3: to thirty pounds off this frame. And so I'm about 2180 01:40:05,960 --> 01:40:09,280 Speaker 3: one eight and I got to tear it down in 2181 01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:13,519 Speaker 3: eight weeks, and I didn't do it properly. Many people 2182 01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:17,360 Speaker 3: don't realize that. And the day of the weigh ins, 2183 01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:20,120 Speaker 3: I was ten pounds overweight and I had to bring 2184 01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:22,200 Speaker 3: you the specialists to come help me. 2185 01:40:22,520 --> 01:40:23,160 Speaker 2: Make that weight. 2186 01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:26,840 Speaker 3: So I was drained, not gonna lie, but I didn't 2187 01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:28,960 Speaker 3: give a damn at all that fight. 2188 01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:30,720 Speaker 1: I did not care, Bro. 2189 01:40:32,680 --> 01:40:35,760 Speaker 3: There was moments where I did feel like quitting. There 2190 01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:38,840 Speaker 3: was moments where where I didn't even know I was 2191 01:40:38,840 --> 01:40:41,160 Speaker 3: in the fight, Like I was just on auto posit. 2192 01:40:41,240 --> 01:40:41,400 Speaker 1: Bro. 2193 01:40:42,520 --> 01:40:43,559 Speaker 2: You know, I'm in the. 2194 01:40:43,479 --> 01:40:45,240 Speaker 3: Tenth round thinking it's the second round. 2195 01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:48,080 Speaker 2: Come on, Yeah, what round is it? 2196 01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:49,720 Speaker 1: Man? 2197 01:40:49,720 --> 01:40:50,400 Speaker 2: We're going to ten? 2198 01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:53,800 Speaker 1: What it ain't the second round? No? 2199 01:40:54,160 --> 01:40:56,960 Speaker 3: What are you? There was times where like I didn't 2200 01:40:57,000 --> 01:41:00,959 Speaker 3: come back to like life, to reality the thirty seconds. 2201 01:41:01,160 --> 01:41:02,240 Speaker 1: Go watch that fight, bro. 2202 01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:04,640 Speaker 3: I'm sitting there and I'm looking at looking at you 2203 01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:05,800 Speaker 3: Will and he's looking at me and. 2204 01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:07,559 Speaker 1: He's talking to me, hey man, you gotta fight, and I. 2205 01:41:10,280 --> 01:41:13,559 Speaker 3: And I'm stuck. And then he's shaking my head and 2206 01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:16,439 Speaker 3: then I'm back. Then I'm like, what you want me 2207 01:41:16,479 --> 01:41:16,840 Speaker 3: to do? 2208 01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:18,280 Speaker 1: Box? Okay? Okay? 2209 01:41:18,479 --> 01:41:19,519 Speaker 2: And then you see me react. 2210 01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:22,640 Speaker 1: He's a very vocal coach. He's loud, he talks a 2211 01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:24,160 Speaker 1: lot in the corner. So I know he was probably 2212 01:41:24,160 --> 01:41:26,400 Speaker 1: losing his mind because you didn't give him the memo 2213 01:41:26,439 --> 01:41:29,240 Speaker 1: that you wasn't gonna box right before the He. 2214 01:41:29,640 --> 01:41:32,360 Speaker 3: Had a feeling. He had a feeling because he saw 2215 01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:34,760 Speaker 3: the change in my eyes and he said that to 2216 01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:38,439 Speaker 3: me personally, he had a feeling. But the amount of 2217 01:41:38,520 --> 01:41:41,639 Speaker 3: damage that I took in that fight shortened my career. 2218 01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:47,240 Speaker 3: So you know, again bitter and Sweet boosting my career. 2219 01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:52,759 Speaker 3: So like every fighter, there's always a memorable fight. Yours 2220 01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:57,000 Speaker 3: is coalesced memorable fight, Bro. You know, showing that undenowable 2221 01:41:57,080 --> 01:42:00,960 Speaker 3: will and determination to win, you know, them off the canvas, 2222 01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:03,920 Speaker 3: pulling yourself off the canvas and going to get that 2223 01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:08,320 Speaker 3: win and stepping stepping towards that line. Right, same thing here, man, 2224 01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:12,679 Speaker 3: You know, this was my fight that highlights my career. 2225 01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:15,960 Speaker 2: This is what the fight that everybody remembers most. They 2226 01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:16,559 Speaker 2: don't remember the. 2227 01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:20,000 Speaker 3: MANI packout fights or the Marquez you know, boxing lessons 2228 01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:22,040 Speaker 3: I put on them. By the way, that Marquez fight 2229 01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:24,599 Speaker 3: was easy money. And Marquez you said that I didn't 2230 01:42:24,640 --> 01:42:27,120 Speaker 3: I didn't want to rematch you lying because we offered 2231 01:42:27,160 --> 01:42:29,840 Speaker 3: you to rematch and you turned it down. So yeah, 2232 01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:36,840 Speaker 3: but anyways, yeah, shoot, this was my fight, my god 2233 01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:39,559 Speaker 3: say with the going fire moment of my career. Man, 2234 01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:42,360 Speaker 3: where I took a lot of damage. It took years 2235 01:42:42,360 --> 01:42:44,840 Speaker 3: off my life, but at the same time it revived 2236 01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:45,320 Speaker 3: my career. 2237 01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:48,760 Speaker 1: What was that that week after that fight? Two weeks after, 2238 01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:50,960 Speaker 1: three weeks after because you said, man, you you admitted 2239 01:42:51,080 --> 01:42:52,760 Speaker 1: you just did just now that you left something in 2240 01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:54,880 Speaker 1: that ring? What was them? The weeks after the fight? 2241 01:42:54,960 --> 01:43:02,120 Speaker 3: Light slurred speech, balance his shoes, you know, equilibrium was 2242 01:43:02,160 --> 01:43:05,040 Speaker 3: off all the time, approprial session was off. 2243 01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:07,559 Speaker 2: So like I can walk forward. 2244 01:43:08,160 --> 01:43:11,320 Speaker 3: There's a corner right here, and I would think I 2245 01:43:11,400 --> 01:43:14,280 Speaker 3: cleared and bump into it, put my head down, I 2246 01:43:14,360 --> 01:43:19,439 Speaker 3: lose my balance, dizziness, I was angry. I pissed blood 2247 01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:27,240 Speaker 3: for about a few days. Yeah, it look it took 2248 01:43:27,240 --> 01:43:31,080 Speaker 3: a lot out of me, man, But having my wife, 2249 01:43:33,560 --> 01:43:34,519 Speaker 3: she helped change that. 2250 01:43:34,600 --> 01:43:34,840 Speaker 1: Man. 2251 01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:38,240 Speaker 3: You know, my wife was My wife is always the 2252 01:43:38,240 --> 01:43:41,640 Speaker 3: one looking for answers. There has to be something we 2253 01:43:41,680 --> 01:43:44,600 Speaker 3: can do. There has to be, you know, we have 2254 01:43:44,720 --> 01:43:46,320 Speaker 3: to figure out a way to get that, get that 2255 01:43:46,439 --> 01:43:47,639 Speaker 3: back what you lost. 2256 01:43:47,439 --> 01:43:50,800 Speaker 2: Some of it. So she seeked out. 2257 01:43:51,320 --> 01:43:53,960 Speaker 3: I went down and seen I went down to Pittsburgh 2258 01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:57,439 Speaker 3: and I went to like this concussion hospital. You know, 2259 01:43:57,520 --> 01:43:59,519 Speaker 3: that's what they that's what they do. Man, All these 2260 01:43:59,560 --> 01:44:02,679 Speaker 3: tests on me and things got a color in mind 2261 01:44:02,840 --> 01:44:05,000 Speaker 3: my brain and they that was at that point when 2262 01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:07,200 Speaker 3: they let me know that, hey, you should retire. 2263 01:44:07,320 --> 01:44:10,840 Speaker 1: They said that, yeah, yeah. 2264 01:44:10,640 --> 01:44:14,760 Speaker 3: Wow, bro, this whole left side was gone. So like 2265 01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:16,960 Speaker 3: you can see the branches and the connections and stuff 2266 01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:19,799 Speaker 3: like that in the brain. Broke this whole left side 2267 01:44:19,800 --> 01:44:22,080 Speaker 3: brout there. What's gone? 2268 01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:23,920 Speaker 1: When what did you say? 2269 01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:26,120 Speaker 3: I said, what happened to the left side? 2270 01:44:27,120 --> 01:44:30,559 Speaker 1: I said, what happened to the left side. There was 2271 01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:31,479 Speaker 1: just like they. 2272 01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:34,519 Speaker 3: Was just like, man, that's I'm like there was like, man, 2273 01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:37,840 Speaker 3: that's from again. You get a protein that build up 2274 01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:41,519 Speaker 3: around that, and it's like it forms a patch over the. 2275 01:44:41,479 --> 01:44:42,040 Speaker 2: Top of it. 2276 01:44:42,160 --> 01:44:45,480 Speaker 3: So you know, it's really hard to really have any connections, 2277 01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:46,960 Speaker 3: you know, around that. 2278 01:44:47,120 --> 01:44:48,520 Speaker 2: You know, it's just become. 2279 01:44:48,360 --> 01:44:52,439 Speaker 3: Like a a permanent scar on your brain. 2280 01:44:52,920 --> 01:44:55,920 Speaker 1: They give you any roadmap to revitalize. 2281 01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:58,920 Speaker 3: So yeah, So what I went was I went to 2282 01:44:59,120 --> 01:45:02,560 Speaker 3: Long Beach and I found a neurologist out there to 2283 01:45:02,720 --> 01:45:05,320 Speaker 3: help me be able to you know, get a lot 2284 01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:08,719 Speaker 3: of my balance back, they said. The speech wild slowly 2285 01:45:08,760 --> 01:45:12,960 Speaker 3: started to come back with the exercises and stuff, and 2286 01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:15,040 Speaker 3: he had me do some weird exercises, bro, Like I 2287 01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:17,639 Speaker 3: would have to like move my neck, you know, move 2288 01:45:17,680 --> 01:45:20,840 Speaker 3: my head this four four or five times, climb my 2289 01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:23,400 Speaker 3: hands up the wall, looking like it's just weird, you know, 2290 01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:26,160 Speaker 3: just to recordate and kind of like rechannel and program 2291 01:45:26,240 --> 01:45:29,680 Speaker 3: my brain. Even exercises were you know, you know, I'm 2292 01:45:29,720 --> 01:45:32,160 Speaker 3: lifting I'm lifting this arm and I'm lifting this leg, 2293 01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:34,360 Speaker 3: you know, just things like that. Man, to try to 2294 01:45:34,439 --> 01:45:38,439 Speaker 3: just get that coordination back. And then they just said, Man, 2295 01:45:38,479 --> 01:45:43,080 Speaker 3: it was rest, hyperbag chamber. Uh, you know, cryout therapy, 2296 01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:47,080 Speaker 3: ice baths, a lot of massage on my neck. You 2297 01:45:47,160 --> 01:45:49,680 Speaker 3: know a lot of people don't realize that when you 2298 01:45:49,680 --> 01:45:54,160 Speaker 3: have a concussion, massage helps, especially in get that. 2299 01:45:55,640 --> 01:45:56,519 Speaker 2: That's what it's about. 2300 01:45:56,640 --> 01:45:58,960 Speaker 3: So but yeah, I start doing all these various things. 2301 01:45:59,080 --> 01:46:01,040 Speaker 2: I think going in that training camp with. 2302 01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:07,759 Speaker 3: Marquaz, there was more work outside the ring than actually 2303 01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:11,519 Speaker 3: in the ring. So the preparation was was focused and 2304 01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:15,040 Speaker 3: geared getting the stuff that I left in the ring 2305 01:46:15,080 --> 01:46:18,840 Speaker 3: becain ruspov getting some of that back as opposed to 2306 01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:22,200 Speaker 3: just a hard training. So I spent more time outside 2307 01:46:22,240 --> 01:46:25,400 Speaker 3: the ring doing therapy than the work inside the ring, 2308 01:46:25,680 --> 01:46:26,759 Speaker 3: and it helped. 2309 01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:27,719 Speaker 2: I ain't gonna lie. 2310 01:46:27,960 --> 01:46:31,200 Speaker 1: But I was only seven months later. That's seven months later. 2311 01:46:31,560 --> 01:46:36,000 Speaker 1: You going there against one Manuel Marquez after he ices 2312 01:46:36,360 --> 01:46:39,439 Speaker 1: Manny Pacyall. I remember thinking like, Bro, that's the that's 2313 01:46:39,479 --> 01:46:42,760 Speaker 1: the that's the next one, Like maybe get one and 2314 01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:43,719 Speaker 1: then make sure you're. 2315 01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:46,280 Speaker 2: Good and ingot we had to get at you. 2316 01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:49,000 Speaker 1: Bro. You put on a you put on a boxing lesson. Man, 2317 01:46:49,320 --> 01:46:53,280 Speaker 1: just Michaelangelo just like and I'm like, why you why 2318 01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:54,000 Speaker 1: you didn't do this? 2319 01:46:54,160 --> 01:46:55,040 Speaker 3: The whole time. 2320 01:46:57,479 --> 01:47:01,679 Speaker 1: What what? What? What? What switched on for that fight 2321 01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:04,720 Speaker 1: when you were disciplined the whole fight. I know it's 2322 01:47:04,760 --> 01:47:07,559 Speaker 1: not easy, person, but you made it look easy against 2323 01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:11,960 Speaker 1: that guy. What shifted in your mind the. 2324 01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:13,799 Speaker 3: Fact that I gave the fans what they wanted. 2325 01:47:14,920 --> 01:47:16,120 Speaker 2: I gave him what they wanted. 2326 01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:19,200 Speaker 3: And now it's time to get back and do what 2327 01:47:19,320 --> 01:47:21,519 Speaker 3: I know I know how to do and get this 2328 01:47:22,240 --> 01:47:23,439 Speaker 3: Hall of Fame victory. 2329 01:47:24,120 --> 01:47:28,519 Speaker 2: Because the whole camp we just screamed. 2330 01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:30,840 Speaker 3: My dad was screaming out, this gonna put you in 2331 01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:31,200 Speaker 3: the Hall of. 2332 01:47:31,240 --> 01:47:32,360 Speaker 1: Fame right here, that fight. 2333 01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:36,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, my dad was screaming that out. This fight right here, 2334 01:47:36,479 --> 01:47:37,639 Speaker 3: gonna put you in the Hall of Fame. 2335 01:47:38,479 --> 01:47:39,200 Speaker 2: They ain't gonna have this. 2336 01:47:39,240 --> 01:47:40,840 Speaker 3: Ain't gonna be no controversial decision. 2337 01:47:40,840 --> 01:47:42,360 Speaker 2: This ain't gonna be none of that. It's gonna get 2338 01:47:42,360 --> 01:47:42,960 Speaker 2: you in the Hall of Fame. 2339 01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:46,200 Speaker 3: That's what he's screaming out because he knows that Markus 2340 01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:49,000 Speaker 3: is the Hall of Famer. You know so, and you 2341 01:47:49,080 --> 01:47:50,879 Speaker 3: know I needed that win, that victory. 2342 01:47:51,400 --> 01:47:52,880 Speaker 1: You could do it all over again when you fight 2343 01:47:52,920 --> 01:47:54,040 Speaker 1: the exact same fight. 2344 01:47:55,680 --> 01:47:57,519 Speaker 2: Reuz, I'm fine to call damn. 2345 01:47:57,560 --> 01:48:00,160 Speaker 3: That's a good question, BROA same. 2346 01:48:00,120 --> 01:48:04,360 Speaker 1: Situation, everything the same, but you get to box or 2347 01:48:04,400 --> 01:48:05,519 Speaker 1: you fight that way again. 2348 01:48:07,560 --> 01:48:11,200 Speaker 3: I will fight that way again. That's crazy, I will 2349 01:48:11,240 --> 01:48:12,160 Speaker 3: fight that way again. 2350 01:48:12,520 --> 01:48:13,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 2351 01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:17,000 Speaker 2: I think that's what defines me now. 2352 01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:21,320 Speaker 3: Man, I think like I had a hard time when 2353 01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:24,120 Speaker 3: I'm up in my career. You know, how do you 2354 01:48:24,120 --> 01:48:29,519 Speaker 3: define Tim Bradley? You know, I was averaged in every 2355 01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:32,360 Speaker 3: single department. It wasn't like one thing that really stuck 2356 01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:37,920 Speaker 3: out like it wasn't. But that determination, that will to win. 2357 01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:41,320 Speaker 3: You can't deny that. You can't deny me that, you 2358 01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:41,840 Speaker 3: know what I mean? 2359 01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:42,920 Speaker 2: Like that was me. 2360 01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:48,280 Speaker 3: Tim is a warrior period. You know, that's what defines me. 2361 01:48:48,600 --> 01:48:51,479 Speaker 3: He's a warrior, warrior spirit. He gonna give you everything 2362 01:48:51,560 --> 01:48:54,080 Speaker 3: he got and I'm cool with that. There's a storm, 2363 01:48:54,160 --> 01:48:54,960 Speaker 3: I'm cool with that. 2364 01:48:55,479 --> 01:48:57,880 Speaker 1: So whatever you lost, whatever whatever comes with that, You're 2365 01:48:57,880 --> 01:48:59,599 Speaker 1: willing to stand on that to make sure you get 2366 01:48:59,640 --> 01:49:00,040 Speaker 1: You get that. 2367 01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:02,200 Speaker 3: A lot of people don't understand that. We fighters. We 2368 01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:05,400 Speaker 3: understand what we We understand what we do. We understand 2369 01:49:05,439 --> 01:49:09,000 Speaker 3: the consequences that go along with it and the repercussions. 2370 01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:09,080 Speaker 2: That go along with it. 2371 01:49:09,160 --> 01:49:12,400 Speaker 1: Man, you know that's not normal, right, I know, we 2372 01:49:12,600 --> 01:49:15,559 Speaker 1: we know you know that's not we wired a little bit. 2373 01:49:15,800 --> 01:49:20,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, we wired differently for sure. Yeah, absolutely, programming wired differently. 2374 01:49:20,040 --> 01:49:22,000 Speaker 1: Man. Fighters are normal, but that ain't normal. 2375 01:49:22,120 --> 01:49:26,040 Speaker 3: No, it's not normal. But you know, for me, there's 2376 01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:28,120 Speaker 3: not much in my life man that I regret. 2377 01:49:28,200 --> 01:49:29,320 Speaker 2: Man, not much. 2378 01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:33,519 Speaker 3: There's a few things dre but boxing wise, I'll take 2379 01:49:33,560 --> 01:49:37,920 Speaker 3: the same course going through Thompson, the same thing, man. 2380 01:49:38,280 --> 01:49:41,800 Speaker 3: You know, of course we look. I wish the money 2381 01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:45,960 Speaker 3: was a little bit better coming up, bro, but it 2382 01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:48,360 Speaker 3: is what it is. What not getting the money or 2383 01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:50,200 Speaker 3: having that money and getting paid all that money, it 2384 01:49:50,280 --> 01:49:53,000 Speaker 3: just kept me hungry. You know a lot of guys 2385 01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:57,120 Speaker 3: now in boxing, they don't earn all them no big 2386 01:49:57,160 --> 01:50:01,679 Speaker 3: pay checks, man, not anymore. And all these do entities 2387 01:50:01,680 --> 01:50:05,200 Speaker 3: coming in paying all this type of money. Now, bro, Yeah, 2388 01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:09,839 Speaker 3: imagine a devon knowledge Fan Xander fight in this generation. 2389 01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:13,160 Speaker 3: It's so similar to what we getting this weekend. That's 2390 01:50:13,160 --> 01:50:13,879 Speaker 3: big money. 2391 01:50:14,240 --> 01:50:15,000 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. 2392 01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:18,559 Speaker 3: That's big, big money. You had to earn that back 2393 01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:20,920 Speaker 3: in the days when we was fighting. Now they just 2394 01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:23,479 Speaker 3: getting there. Here you go, oh I want to see 2395 01:50:23,479 --> 01:50:26,240 Speaker 3: that fight. Oh yeah, here you go. Here's five ten million, 2396 01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:28,800 Speaker 3: here's fifteen million. So it's a little different now. 2397 01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:31,240 Speaker 1: There happy them guy's getting money. Man, if I ain't 2398 01:50:31,240 --> 01:50:32,599 Speaker 1: mad at them, if I had to get your money, 2399 01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:35,519 Speaker 1: if I had to choose somebody getting more money or 2400 01:50:35,560 --> 01:50:38,439 Speaker 1: less money, because you know, historically, man, dudes have always 2401 01:50:38,439 --> 01:50:42,599 Speaker 1: gotten less, way less. They got hard fights a long money. 2402 01:50:43,160 --> 01:50:45,559 Speaker 1: So I get excited, man when I see some of 2403 01:50:45,560 --> 01:50:49,320 Speaker 1: the figures right now, you know, I'm like, man, that's 2404 01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:49,720 Speaker 1: what's up. 2405 01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:53,000 Speaker 3: So but what happens. What happens when that money stopped? 2406 01:50:54,760 --> 01:50:57,520 Speaker 1: I gotta figure it out. 2407 01:50:57,880 --> 01:51:01,519 Speaker 3: Oh, they getting paid, But it's the next generation gonna. 2408 01:51:01,320 --> 01:51:05,760 Speaker 1: Take the the drop It's gonna be interesting the drop off, right, 2409 01:51:06,280 --> 01:51:08,080 Speaker 1: That's that's. 2410 01:51:07,880 --> 01:51:10,640 Speaker 3: The way I that's the way I think, Dray, What 2411 01:51:10,680 --> 01:51:12,679 Speaker 3: about the next generation? He gonna take a pay cut? 2412 01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:16,160 Speaker 3: Oh you making that for that guy? What you think 2413 01:51:16,200 --> 01:51:18,920 Speaker 3: the next generation gonna want? They want more. It's just 2414 01:51:18,960 --> 01:51:21,599 Speaker 3: like football, all these other sports. 2415 01:51:21,640 --> 01:51:23,519 Speaker 2: Man, they want more and more and more. 2416 01:51:24,040 --> 01:51:26,080 Speaker 3: Now, if you don't have someone that's gonna carry that 2417 01:51:26,200 --> 01:51:29,280 Speaker 3: and actually pay these fighters that, then we got a problem, Houston. 2418 01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:32,960 Speaker 3: So hopefully all these new entities stay in the game 2419 01:51:33,400 --> 01:51:34,080 Speaker 3: a long time. 2420 01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:37,080 Speaker 1: Man. You fought Manipac y'all again. In twenty fourteen lost 2421 01:51:37,080 --> 01:51:39,400 Speaker 1: in an anim's decision. You fought again at twenty sixteen, 2422 01:51:40,439 --> 01:51:44,080 Speaker 1: and then you retire. You dance with Manupac y'all for 2423 01:51:44,160 --> 01:51:46,439 Speaker 1: thirty six rounds. Not a lot of men can say that, 2424 01:51:46,920 --> 01:51:49,200 Speaker 1: why did you retire after that fight at that time? 2425 01:51:50,040 --> 01:51:51,120 Speaker 2: Because it was the first time. 2426 01:51:51,200 --> 01:51:55,080 Speaker 3: It was the first time that I it was the 2427 01:51:55,120 --> 01:51:59,640 Speaker 3: first time ever in my career that I checked. 2428 01:51:59,360 --> 01:52:03,320 Speaker 1: Out during the fight or in preparation for the fight. 2429 01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:04,040 Speaker 2: During the fight. 2430 01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:06,679 Speaker 1: Wait, what round did that happen? 2431 01:52:09,160 --> 01:52:12,320 Speaker 3: Probably around the ninth when I got dropped the second time. 2432 01:52:14,800 --> 01:52:17,080 Speaker 3: He was a ninth or tenth. I got dropped by 2433 01:52:17,120 --> 01:52:20,200 Speaker 3: Manny for the second time. That was the first time 2434 01:52:20,240 --> 01:52:25,720 Speaker 3: that I ever stopped really trying to win. Usually I 2435 01:52:25,760 --> 01:52:28,599 Speaker 3: would fight all the way to the end, no matter 2436 01:52:28,680 --> 01:52:34,080 Speaker 3: what what's going on. But I knew then I was 2437 01:52:34,120 --> 01:52:37,639 Speaker 3: like saying to myself, like, if I can, if it's 2438 01:52:37,640 --> 01:52:40,160 Speaker 3: that easy right now for me to quit, then I 2439 01:52:40,200 --> 01:52:44,120 Speaker 3: know moving forward, you know, I kind of lost that 2440 01:52:44,120 --> 01:52:49,559 Speaker 3: psychological edge and always pushing, and you know, no matter 2441 01:52:49,600 --> 01:52:52,080 Speaker 3: what I was like, I'm gonn getting up getting hurt 2442 01:52:53,520 --> 01:52:58,200 Speaker 3: so and towards the back end of my career, I 2443 01:52:58,240 --> 01:53:02,080 Speaker 3: was finding myself more and more spending time at the 2444 01:53:02,120 --> 01:53:06,320 Speaker 3: hospital after my fights. So I had Diego Chavez. I 2445 01:53:06,360 --> 01:53:08,479 Speaker 3: had the big old human Tomo in my eye had 2446 01:53:08,520 --> 01:53:12,799 Speaker 3: a broken eye socket. Fault with a broken eye socket, yeah, 2447 01:53:13,000 --> 01:53:18,840 Speaker 3: fault with a broken rib, broken hand. Like, bro, this 2448 01:53:18,880 --> 01:53:22,240 Speaker 3: is a gladiator, gladiator sport, that's what it is. We 2449 01:53:22,320 --> 01:53:24,680 Speaker 3: have to fight through this type of stuff. Ain't no 2450 01:53:24,760 --> 01:53:28,200 Speaker 3: going back to no damn no locker room and then coming. 2451 01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:30,040 Speaker 2: Out, Oh he's alright. BE gave him a little shot. 2452 01:53:30,200 --> 01:53:30,360 Speaker 1: Nah. 2453 01:53:31,439 --> 01:53:33,960 Speaker 3: That boxing is a different sport. But I want to 2454 01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:38,479 Speaker 3: say that I just look, I just felt like I 2455 01:53:38,520 --> 01:53:43,920 Speaker 3: started feeling less and less on myself, and I felt 2456 01:53:43,960 --> 01:53:46,840 Speaker 3: like if I couldn't compete at the highest level, that 2457 01:53:47,200 --> 01:53:49,960 Speaker 3: there's no need for me to continue. You know, I'm 2458 01:53:49,960 --> 01:53:53,400 Speaker 3: not finna just be dutching and dodging or this guy 2459 01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:56,240 Speaker 3: or that guy or oh I think I could be 2460 01:53:56,400 --> 01:54:00,240 Speaker 3: nah m hm. So that's the reason why I was 2461 01:54:00,280 --> 01:54:02,519 Speaker 3: just like, you know, what, I've done enough. I put 2462 01:54:02,640 --> 01:54:08,360 Speaker 3: enough away. My wife made sure of that. And you 2463 01:54:08,400 --> 01:54:10,479 Speaker 3: know when I when I before I retired, I asked 2464 01:54:10,520 --> 01:54:14,280 Speaker 3: her for three things. That was it, three things, and 2465 01:54:14,320 --> 01:54:16,200 Speaker 3: I said, if you can honor these three things. Then 2466 01:54:16,200 --> 01:54:21,960 Speaker 3: I said, I'm good, and it's simple. I said, four 2467 01:54:22,040 --> 01:54:32,360 Speaker 3: or five star hotels, first class plane tickets, excellent food 2468 01:54:33,040 --> 01:54:35,880 Speaker 3: if I want to go to a steakhouse when I 2469 01:54:35,920 --> 01:54:38,120 Speaker 3: want to go, don't matter spending grand there or whatever 2470 01:54:38,160 --> 01:54:42,240 Speaker 3: it is. I got to have those three things. I 2471 01:54:42,240 --> 01:54:45,040 Speaker 3: feel that I've earned it. I put enough work to 2472 01:54:45,080 --> 01:54:47,520 Speaker 3: be able to earn that that right to have those 2473 01:54:47,560 --> 01:54:50,080 Speaker 3: three things a comfort, and that's it. 2474 01:54:50,280 --> 01:54:52,640 Speaker 2: And my wife said done. 2475 01:54:53,120 --> 01:54:55,040 Speaker 3: I don't need the fast cars, I don't need all 2476 01:54:55,080 --> 01:54:56,680 Speaker 3: the watch I don't need all the juries. I don't 2477 01:54:56,680 --> 01:54:59,280 Speaker 3: need none of that materialist. Those three things right there 2478 01:55:00,040 --> 01:55:01,200 Speaker 3: I can live with. I'm good. 2479 01:55:01,880 --> 01:55:08,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, you had a successful transition post career to broadcasting. 2480 01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:13,240 Speaker 1: Uh y'all own multiple businesses, real estate, all the all 2481 01:55:13,240 --> 01:55:15,280 Speaker 1: the stuff. Man? What what? What? How did that? How 2482 01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:18,080 Speaker 1: did that happen? Like, what's the what's the blueprint to 2483 01:55:18,120 --> 01:55:20,480 Speaker 1: make that happen? Because a lot of us don't do that. 2484 01:55:20,760 --> 01:55:23,560 Speaker 1: We end our careers and the money is gone just 2485 01:55:23,600 --> 01:55:25,000 Speaker 1: as fast as the careers. 2486 01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:30,920 Speaker 3: Well, a lot of fighters, we don't. We don't look 2487 01:55:31,680 --> 01:55:34,200 Speaker 3: a lot of fighters, man. We come from humble beginnings, bro. 2488 01:55:34,680 --> 01:55:38,320 Speaker 3: And as you know, financial literacy is something that you 2489 01:55:38,400 --> 01:55:41,160 Speaker 3: got to learn and pick up. It's not like they 2490 01:55:41,240 --> 01:55:43,720 Speaker 3: teaching in school either. They don't teach it in school. 2491 01:55:43,720 --> 01:55:45,680 Speaker 3: I don't understand why they don't teach it in school. 2492 01:55:46,520 --> 01:55:49,000 Speaker 3: I don't get it. School system needs to, they need 2493 01:55:49,720 --> 01:55:50,120 Speaker 3: they need to. 2494 01:55:50,200 --> 01:55:51,040 Speaker 2: They need to change it. 2495 01:55:51,080 --> 01:55:51,240 Speaker 1: Bro. 2496 01:55:51,560 --> 01:55:55,320 Speaker 3: We still bro They still reading to Killing Mockingbird. Bro 2497 01:55:55,560 --> 01:55:58,440 Speaker 3: Like I read that years ago. They still reading that. 2498 01:55:59,000 --> 01:55:59,200 Speaker 1: I know. 2499 01:55:59,240 --> 01:56:01,400 Speaker 3: We got better books and other books that they can read. 2500 01:56:01,800 --> 01:56:07,400 Speaker 3: But anyways, so early in my career I made a mistake. 2501 01:56:08,600 --> 01:56:09,080 Speaker 2: I got it. 2502 01:56:09,720 --> 01:56:11,600 Speaker 3: I want to say, about one hundred and fifty thousand 2503 01:56:11,640 --> 01:56:15,880 Speaker 3: dollars paid up all off my debt, so and so forth. 2504 01:56:16,320 --> 01:56:18,120 Speaker 2: But I wasn't incorporated. 2505 01:56:18,840 --> 01:56:22,920 Speaker 3: Anybody didn't know anything about being corporated. You know, you 2506 01:56:22,920 --> 01:56:24,680 Speaker 3: have to get certain write offs you can write off 2507 01:56:24,720 --> 01:56:27,280 Speaker 3: you know, you know, you get the loan form right 2508 01:56:27,320 --> 01:56:31,760 Speaker 3: off from things. So I wasn't incorporated. So at the 2509 01:56:31,840 --> 01:56:33,560 Speaker 3: end of the year, I owed a lot in taxes. 2510 01:56:35,320 --> 01:56:39,040 Speaker 3: So I had to pay about sixty thousand in taxes 2511 01:56:39,080 --> 01:56:43,640 Speaker 3: or so someone, you know, And I felt like I 2512 01:56:43,680 --> 01:56:47,200 Speaker 3: was getting close to that to not having money, man, 2513 01:56:47,480 --> 01:56:47,680 Speaker 3: you know. 2514 01:56:49,240 --> 01:56:50,360 Speaker 2: So from there. 2515 01:56:53,080 --> 01:56:57,120 Speaker 3: I started making more and more money and I had 2516 01:56:57,320 --> 01:57:01,320 Speaker 3: another tax person that I had to affiliate myself with, 2517 01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:05,120 Speaker 3: and I made I basically made. 2518 01:57:04,920 --> 01:57:07,400 Speaker 2: More money than what they can handle. 2519 01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:11,080 Speaker 3: So then I had to seek out and find another 2520 01:57:11,640 --> 01:57:15,480 Speaker 3: CPA that knew what to do with big money. Found 2521 01:57:15,480 --> 01:57:20,360 Speaker 3: this guy from a friend of my wife's New Yorker 2522 01:57:22,000 --> 01:57:26,440 Speaker 3: Jewish guy. Gotta say that know how to keep that money. 2523 01:57:28,520 --> 01:57:29,720 Speaker 3: But the only way I was going to work with 2524 01:57:29,800 --> 01:57:32,720 Speaker 3: him is he had to teach me where to put 2525 01:57:32,720 --> 01:57:35,800 Speaker 3: my money and how might get grown to make it grow. 2526 01:57:36,760 --> 01:57:39,760 Speaker 2: That was the only way. You hear too many stories. 2527 01:57:39,360 --> 01:57:42,880 Speaker 3: Of just trusting people and giving them money and letting 2528 01:57:42,920 --> 01:57:45,200 Speaker 3: them do what they supposed to do and they end 2529 01:57:45,320 --> 01:57:48,720 Speaker 3: up getting robbed. Too many athletes, right, So once he 2530 01:57:48,800 --> 01:57:51,200 Speaker 3: said yeah, and he started showing me how to invest 2531 01:57:51,200 --> 01:57:53,000 Speaker 3: my money, where to put my money, And that's how 2532 01:57:53,040 --> 01:57:55,400 Speaker 3: I was able to pick up that financial literacy that 2533 01:57:55,520 --> 01:57:58,440 Speaker 3: a lot of fighters don't have because I had a 2534 01:57:58,480 --> 01:58:03,360 Speaker 3: guy actually teach me. So, you know, from life insurance policies, 2535 01:58:04,160 --> 01:58:07,800 Speaker 3: you know, to iras, you know, sept and raw, you 2536 01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:08,320 Speaker 3: name it. 2537 01:58:08,360 --> 01:58:08,600 Speaker 1: Man. 2538 01:58:09,720 --> 01:58:11,360 Speaker 3: You know some people like the four oh one K 2539 01:58:12,200 --> 01:58:17,640 Speaker 3: you know, real estate was a big one too, Stock 2540 01:58:17,720 --> 01:58:18,920 Speaker 3: markets another big one. 2541 01:58:19,240 --> 01:58:19,480 Speaker 1: You know. 2542 01:58:19,560 --> 01:58:22,040 Speaker 3: He taught me how to you know, trade stocks as well. 2543 01:58:22,560 --> 01:58:24,880 Speaker 3: You know so, but that's how I was able to 2544 01:58:24,880 --> 01:58:27,720 Speaker 3: pick it up. But it was all about first getting 2545 01:58:27,760 --> 01:58:33,600 Speaker 3: incorporated and then little by little man just growing, you know, uh, 2546 01:58:33,640 --> 01:58:36,280 Speaker 3: my literacy and in financial Why. 2547 01:58:36,240 --> 01:58:40,280 Speaker 1: You never fought Floyd Mayweather? Was that ever an option? 2548 01:58:41,120 --> 01:58:42,960 Speaker 2: It was somewhat. 2549 01:58:43,280 --> 01:58:44,800 Speaker 3: I don't want to say, you know what, let me 2550 01:58:44,840 --> 01:58:48,560 Speaker 3: take that back, cause people people be they take your words. 2551 01:58:48,640 --> 01:58:50,720 Speaker 3: If you don't really if you leave an open ending, 2552 01:58:51,040 --> 01:58:54,480 Speaker 3: then they just to think what they want. So it 2553 01:58:54,640 --> 01:59:01,080 Speaker 3: was a verbal verbal agreement, agreement men or verbal option. 2554 01:59:02,040 --> 01:59:06,080 Speaker 3: I got that phone call, Tim, you want. 2555 01:59:05,960 --> 01:59:08,160 Speaker 2: To fight Floyd? Eight million dollars? 2556 01:59:09,520 --> 01:59:13,480 Speaker 3: Don't sign to fight Manny pack y'all eight mil fight Floyd. 2557 01:59:15,360 --> 01:59:22,480 Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, or wire me four million, pay me 2558 01:59:22,640 --> 01:59:25,040 Speaker 3: four million when I get in the ring with Mayweather. 2559 01:59:26,080 --> 01:59:28,880 Speaker 3: By this time, I'm a veteran the game people. 2560 01:59:29,120 --> 01:59:30,080 Speaker 2: Hey, they make. 2561 01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:33,840 Speaker 3: Promises, false promises all the time, right, and I ain't. 2562 01:59:34,040 --> 01:59:35,200 Speaker 2: I'm out on food. 2563 01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:37,960 Speaker 3: So as soon as they didn't give me the money 2564 01:59:38,880 --> 01:59:40,640 Speaker 3: or wire me the money, I knew it. 2565 01:59:40,520 --> 01:59:42,480 Speaker 2: Was wasn't real. 2566 01:59:43,440 --> 01:59:46,880 Speaker 3: But I've always wanted to fight Floyd, always wanted to 2567 01:59:46,880 --> 01:59:50,520 Speaker 3: fight Floyd. Glad your boy Burdo got it though, But 2568 01:59:51,240 --> 01:59:52,839 Speaker 3: I would have loved to fight Floyd Maywelling. 2569 01:59:53,000 --> 01:59:56,000 Speaker 1: He always wondered about that. Yeah, Man, a couple more 2570 01:59:56,080 --> 01:59:59,680 Speaker 1: Man had. We had a six seven year run at ESPN. 2571 01:59:59,760 --> 02:00:01,920 Speaker 1: Man from like twenty seventeen. I think he went to 2572 02:00:01,920 --> 02:00:05,400 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. My contract ended in twenty twenty three. 2573 02:00:05,760 --> 02:00:09,160 Speaker 1: We didn't we didn't renew. I moved on, y'all said, 2574 02:00:09,160 --> 02:00:12,400 Speaker 1: another year and some change. Man. We had a lot 2575 02:00:12,400 --> 02:00:13,880 Speaker 1: of good times, bro. We had a we had a 2576 02:00:13,880 --> 02:00:16,440 Speaker 1: cold run at ESPN. Man. We had a great team, 2577 02:00:16,840 --> 02:00:23,120 Speaker 1: you know, our lead, Mike McQuaid, Bernardo or Sooner, Mark Craig, 2578 02:00:23,920 --> 02:00:27,640 Speaker 1: Joe Tessa, you know, just everybody behind the scenes and 2579 02:00:27,680 --> 02:00:29,840 Speaker 1: everybody that was on camera time of time. We had 2580 02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:35,440 Speaker 1: Christina Pontra come over. Bro. We had a good run, yeah, Laddin, 2581 02:00:35,880 --> 02:00:36,840 Speaker 1: Mike all that. 2582 02:00:37,280 --> 02:00:39,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. 2583 02:00:39,240 --> 02:00:43,480 Speaker 3: Man. It was tough, you know, like, not gonna lie, Bro. 2584 02:00:44,360 --> 02:00:47,360 Speaker 3: I shed some tears. I ain't gonna lie. Oh yeah, Bro, 2585 02:00:48,000 --> 02:00:51,760 Speaker 3: you know, because I felt like we was a perfect combination, 2586 02:00:52,960 --> 02:00:57,520 Speaker 3: you know, ying and yang, and all of a sudden 2587 02:00:57,520 --> 02:01:02,320 Speaker 3: it was gone. But now it's like now I'm faced 2588 02:01:02,360 --> 02:01:04,760 Speaker 3: with a task. Now I gotta hold it down by myself. 2589 02:01:05,240 --> 02:01:08,000 Speaker 3: Usually you you know, you got teammates, you can you know, 2590 02:01:08,400 --> 02:01:09,520 Speaker 3: some days you do a lot. 2591 02:01:09,360 --> 02:01:10,920 Speaker 2: Of heavy lifting. Some days I do a lot of 2592 02:01:10,920 --> 02:01:11,520 Speaker 2: heavy lifting. 2593 02:01:11,560 --> 02:01:12,320 Speaker 1: But I didn't have that. 2594 02:01:12,360 --> 02:01:14,520 Speaker 3: I was thinking to myself, like, man, this is gonna 2595 02:01:14,560 --> 02:01:17,840 Speaker 3: be this is gonna be difficult. You know, like you 2596 02:01:17,920 --> 02:01:21,280 Speaker 3: come from a different The way you call fights and 2597 02:01:21,320 --> 02:01:24,240 Speaker 3: the way you view things and the way you elaborate 2598 02:01:24,280 --> 02:01:27,080 Speaker 3: things come from a different perspective then the way I 2599 02:01:27,120 --> 02:01:30,959 Speaker 3: see things. So that was gonna be gone. The dynamic 2600 02:01:31,080 --> 02:01:33,840 Speaker 3: is gone. And so it was a lot of worry. 2601 02:01:33,920 --> 02:01:39,040 Speaker 3: But you know, with that pressure, you either sink or 2602 02:01:39,080 --> 02:01:44,040 Speaker 3: you swim, bro. And you know, I started, little by 2603 02:01:44,080 --> 02:01:47,520 Speaker 3: little man, growing growing in that position. You know. One 2604 02:01:47,520 --> 02:01:49,880 Speaker 3: of the things that I remember you saying is is that, hey, 2605 02:01:51,200 --> 02:01:53,560 Speaker 3: this is an opportunity for you to grow your craft, bro, 2606 02:01:53,960 --> 02:01:58,360 Speaker 3: and like become solid legit. And I remember you telling 2607 02:01:58,400 --> 02:02:00,560 Speaker 3: me that, and I was just like, yeah, you was 2608 02:02:00,600 --> 02:02:01,360 Speaker 3: like hold it down. 2609 02:02:02,400 --> 02:02:04,040 Speaker 2: And so that that pushed. 2610 02:02:03,760 --> 02:02:04,880 Speaker 1: Me to to to. 2611 02:02:07,720 --> 02:02:11,560 Speaker 2: You know, hey, I gotta I gotta do what I 2612 02:02:11,600 --> 02:02:12,080 Speaker 2: gotta do. 2613 02:02:12,680 --> 02:02:14,880 Speaker 1: I gotta do what I gotta do. Man, y'all held 2614 02:02:14,880 --> 02:02:16,880 Speaker 1: it down, man for for like I said, they have 2615 02:02:17,000 --> 02:02:21,120 Speaker 1: some change man. Crazy story though, Bro, you know we 2616 02:02:21,160 --> 02:02:24,080 Speaker 1: would go back and forth to New York for some reason. 2617 02:02:24,160 --> 02:02:27,480 Speaker 1: You like driving in New York. I love it. I 2618 02:02:27,520 --> 02:02:29,920 Speaker 1: would never get a rental car in New York. I 2619 02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:34,240 Speaker 1: love them. You get a rental car, yeah, you know 2620 02:02:34,440 --> 02:02:42,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to you park in the garage, bro, for 2621 02:02:42,680 --> 02:02:44,800 Speaker 1: two three days? How long we did? You know? We 2622 02:02:44,960 --> 02:02:46,840 Speaker 1: the fighters on Saturday, we get up early morning. We 2623 02:02:46,880 --> 02:02:50,440 Speaker 1: got of their first day smoking. On Sunday morning, Brother, 2624 02:02:50,520 --> 02:02:53,919 Speaker 1: you get in the wrong car somehow someway, the hotel 2625 02:02:54,200 --> 02:02:57,560 Speaker 1: valet gives you the wrong keys a car that looked 2626 02:02:57,560 --> 02:03:00,280 Speaker 1: like your car though, right you get in the car, 2627 02:03:00,320 --> 02:03:03,160 Speaker 1: you said, man, it smell like weed. I just I 2628 02:03:03,200 --> 02:03:04,880 Speaker 1: said that wouldn't a sign. You was like, nah, I 2629 02:03:04,960 --> 02:03:06,400 Speaker 1: just meant I had to go. I had to catch 2630 02:03:06,440 --> 02:03:08,760 Speaker 1: a flight. Did you say was weed in the trunk? 2631 02:03:08,880 --> 02:03:11,160 Speaker 1: Or was it? Was it? It just sl like we 2632 02:03:11,360 --> 02:03:13,960 Speaker 1: like weed. But you pull up, you pull up to 2633 02:03:14,000 --> 02:03:17,000 Speaker 1: the to the airport. You don't take the car back 2634 02:03:17,040 --> 02:03:20,480 Speaker 1: to the to the rental place because you late. You 2635 02:03:20,600 --> 02:03:24,440 Speaker 1: dropped the car and leaned the car right there the airport. Bro. 2636 02:03:25,520 --> 02:03:28,480 Speaker 1: They finally get the car They're like, mister Browley, this 2637 02:03:28,600 --> 02:03:32,640 Speaker 1: is not even our car, Like, what do you what happened? Bro, 2638 02:03:33,840 --> 02:03:35,480 Speaker 1: That's kind of something happened all the time. But tell 2639 02:03:35,520 --> 02:03:39,640 Speaker 1: me about that is I ain't never forgot that b Broh. 2640 02:03:39,720 --> 02:03:41,800 Speaker 3: I'm the one that gave you this gym information, bro, 2641 02:03:41,880 --> 02:03:42,120 Speaker 3: and not. 2642 02:03:43,760 --> 02:03:47,280 Speaker 2: The gym information here. And I went to the wrong 2643 02:03:47,440 --> 02:03:48,200 Speaker 2: boxing club. 2644 02:03:48,320 --> 02:03:50,520 Speaker 1: Bro me in directions. 2645 02:03:50,560 --> 02:03:50,680 Speaker 3: Bro. 2646 02:03:50,800 --> 02:03:51,960 Speaker 1: We don't get along, bro. 2647 02:03:52,920 --> 02:03:54,080 Speaker 2: I don't want to listen. 2648 02:03:54,120 --> 02:03:54,400 Speaker 3: Listen. 2649 02:03:54,480 --> 02:03:55,080 Speaker 1: I was late. 2650 02:03:56,000 --> 02:03:57,920 Speaker 3: I didn't want to be late to the airport, missed 2651 02:03:57,920 --> 02:03:58,320 Speaker 3: my flight. 2652 02:03:58,600 --> 02:04:00,480 Speaker 1: It's about three in the morning for the more So, yeah, 2653 02:04:00,520 --> 02:04:04,240 Speaker 1: I got up late, but I lost my ticket. 2654 02:04:04,840 --> 02:04:05,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I lost it. 2655 02:04:06,280 --> 02:04:09,160 Speaker 3: And so I'm trying to if you know anything about 2656 02:04:09,160 --> 02:04:13,760 Speaker 3: New York, man, you know it's multiverse, right, It's a lot. 2657 02:04:13,920 --> 02:04:16,320 Speaker 3: So I had a god that didn't really speak English. 2658 02:04:16,680 --> 02:04:20,400 Speaker 3: So I'm Puerto Rican probably guy. I'm saying like, hey man, 2659 02:04:21,160 --> 02:04:22,840 Speaker 3: I know what it looked like. I know what it 2660 02:04:22,880 --> 02:04:26,760 Speaker 3: looked like. So I'm going through there look at it 2661 02:04:26,800 --> 02:04:28,640 Speaker 3: and trying to help her find my car. And I'm like, 2662 02:04:28,760 --> 02:04:30,520 Speaker 3: that's it right there, that's it. 2663 02:04:30,600 --> 02:04:32,120 Speaker 1: I gotta go, let's go. That's it. 2664 02:04:32,160 --> 02:04:35,000 Speaker 3: So he pulls it down and I take it. Bro 2665 02:04:35,160 --> 02:04:36,960 Speaker 3: and I get in a car and I'm thinking to myself, 2666 02:04:36,960 --> 02:04:41,560 Speaker 3: I'm like, it smelled like weed in here. Maybe this 2667 02:04:41,640 --> 02:04:44,280 Speaker 3: ain't my car. But at the same time, I'm thinking, 2668 02:04:44,320 --> 02:04:46,920 Speaker 3: maybe somebody here that work here took it for a 2669 02:04:47,000 --> 02:04:49,600 Speaker 3: joy ride that's sposed some weed or something in it. 2670 02:04:49,720 --> 02:04:52,400 Speaker 3: So I'm thinking that too. I'm hoping that right. 2671 02:04:53,120 --> 02:04:54,520 Speaker 1: But as I'm driving, Drake. 2672 02:04:54,680 --> 02:04:58,520 Speaker 3: As I'm driving Drake, No, as I'm driving, I'm thinking 2673 02:04:58,520 --> 02:05:02,680 Speaker 3: to myself, this ain't my car, This ain't my car stopped, 2674 02:05:02,880 --> 02:05:04,040 Speaker 3: this ain't my car. Drake. 2675 02:05:04,280 --> 02:05:04,720 Speaker 1: I didn't. 2676 02:05:04,800 --> 02:05:09,320 Speaker 3: I couldn't be late, Dre. I couldn't be late. So 2677 02:05:10,960 --> 02:05:13,120 Speaker 3: I do. But Drake, but this one thing I have 2678 02:05:13,200 --> 02:05:15,240 Speaker 3: to crut you on. I did get to the rental 2679 02:05:15,280 --> 02:05:21,240 Speaker 3: car spot. I did, but this was it. You know, 2680 02:05:21,400 --> 02:05:23,120 Speaker 3: usually they wait for you and then they come over 2681 02:05:23,120 --> 02:05:24,520 Speaker 3: there and they beep the car. 2682 02:05:25,200 --> 02:05:25,320 Speaker 1: Bro. 2683 02:05:26,440 --> 02:05:30,480 Speaker 3: I drove up quick, whoop, jumped out, boom, brab my 2684 02:05:30,520 --> 02:05:34,040 Speaker 3: luggage boom, and I just I took off. Hey, Bro 2685 02:05:34,160 --> 02:05:36,840 Speaker 3: left the key in there. I didn't look back. I 2686 02:05:36,920 --> 02:05:39,800 Speaker 3: just I just start walking the lady. I heard thee 2687 02:05:46,360 --> 02:05:47,160 Speaker 3: I boomed out. 2688 02:05:47,240 --> 02:05:49,160 Speaker 1: Brother left that car there. 2689 02:05:49,200 --> 02:05:55,880 Speaker 3: Man, they called. They had called me and was like, no, 2690 02:05:56,160 --> 02:05:57,960 Speaker 3: you know what, I take that back. They didn't call me. 2691 02:05:59,800 --> 02:06:02,080 Speaker 3: This is why I sell my wife. I had my 2692 02:06:02,120 --> 02:06:05,040 Speaker 3: wife call in the morning right once she wave God 2693 02:06:05,080 --> 02:06:06,760 Speaker 3: said babe, that's what I need you to do. I 2694 02:06:06,800 --> 02:06:10,480 Speaker 3: need your call. Call the company. I dropped it off here. 2695 02:06:11,120 --> 02:06:14,600 Speaker 3: I don't think it's my car. However, you need to 2696 02:06:14,640 --> 02:06:16,640 Speaker 3: handle this for me. And she was like, don't worry 2697 02:06:16,640 --> 02:06:19,480 Speaker 3: because you know, I'm on I'm on a I'm on 2698 02:06:19,520 --> 02:06:22,240 Speaker 3: a plane. So I had to, you know, let her know. 2699 02:06:22,440 --> 02:06:27,800 Speaker 3: But anyways, they end up getting the car told to 2700 02:06:27,800 --> 02:06:29,760 Speaker 3: to where it needed to be. Yeah, the right place. 2701 02:06:29,960 --> 02:06:35,080 Speaker 3: But yeah, bro, from rental cars hitting the rental cars, 2702 02:06:36,720 --> 02:06:39,320 Speaker 3: Oh bro, yeah, being down. 2703 02:06:39,160 --> 02:06:43,400 Speaker 2: What we was with National right and then Enterprise. 2704 02:06:43,680 --> 02:06:48,400 Speaker 3: So I'm with that. We were National with ESPN and 2705 02:06:48,760 --> 02:06:50,560 Speaker 3: I had so many run ins with the cars. 2706 02:06:51,480 --> 02:06:54,280 Speaker 1: They stop messing with. You would know. 2707 02:06:54,400 --> 02:06:56,120 Speaker 3: They what they what would they would do is is 2708 02:06:56,200 --> 02:06:58,800 Speaker 3: they they put me on Enterprise and they picked the 2709 02:06:58,840 --> 02:06:59,400 Speaker 3: car for me. 2710 02:07:00,000 --> 02:07:00,960 Speaker 2: So you go to National. 2711 02:07:01,040 --> 02:07:02,640 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, you get out that bad boy. 2712 02:07:02,680 --> 02:07:05,760 Speaker 3: You could Hey, you pick what you want, bro. They 2713 02:07:05,800 --> 02:07:08,000 Speaker 3: gave me them little buckets for a few That's what 2714 02:07:08,120 --> 02:07:08,560 Speaker 3: you getting. 2715 02:07:08,640 --> 02:07:09,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what you're getting. 2716 02:07:09,640 --> 02:07:09,800 Speaker 3: Bro. 2717 02:07:09,840 --> 02:07:11,320 Speaker 2: You're damaging all our cars. 2718 02:07:11,400 --> 02:07:14,480 Speaker 3: You you sending our cars to different different rental car places. 2719 02:07:14,520 --> 02:07:15,880 Speaker 1: So I don't even want to know what your car 2720 02:07:15,880 --> 02:07:20,280 Speaker 1: insurance is like, bron, is it is it high? 2721 02:07:20,360 --> 02:07:24,240 Speaker 3: It's the cheapest. It's the cheapest car insurance in the world. 2722 02:07:24,320 --> 02:07:28,760 Speaker 1: You got that basic comprehension that nah nah, Bro, Come on, man, 2723 02:07:29,640 --> 02:07:32,000 Speaker 1: well you start getting wrecks and stuff, they listen, California. 2724 02:07:32,440 --> 02:07:34,960 Speaker 3: You gotta be man. Look man, I'm telling you, bro. 2725 02:07:37,000 --> 02:07:40,680 Speaker 3: So when you like us and if you can afford it, 2726 02:07:41,440 --> 02:07:46,240 Speaker 3: you gotta have car insurance and an umbrella policy. 2727 02:07:45,880 --> 02:07:46,400 Speaker 2: On top of that. 2728 02:07:47,120 --> 02:07:50,880 Speaker 3: You gotta because when they know it's you, if something 2729 02:07:50,920 --> 02:07:54,240 Speaker 3: happens and incident happens, they know it's you. They coming 2730 02:07:54,280 --> 02:07:58,600 Speaker 3: for you. Everything right, and somebody get hurt. So, oh, 2731 02:07:58,640 --> 02:08:02,440 Speaker 3: I'm maxed out. But again I've tried to look at 2732 02:08:02,400 --> 02:08:03,520 Speaker 3: the lord of my insurance. 2733 02:08:05,240 --> 02:08:06,520 Speaker 2: There's no other place, man. 2734 02:08:06,640 --> 02:08:10,880 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I got the limits are maxed out 2735 02:08:10,920 --> 02:08:12,040 Speaker 3: bro on that joint. 2736 02:08:12,080 --> 02:08:16,080 Speaker 2: So but yeah, anyways, you know, brother. 2737 02:08:15,880 --> 02:08:18,200 Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Man. Good to see you. Man. I 2738 02:08:18,240 --> 02:08:19,760 Speaker 1: always love coming to San Diego. 2739 02:08:20,000 --> 02:08:21,600 Speaker 3: Bro, Hey, I appreciate you Man, I told you it 2740 02:08:21,640 --> 02:08:22,680 Speaker 3: was gonna be raining out here. 2741 02:08:22,680 --> 02:08:23,880 Speaker 2: But I appreciate you. 2742 02:08:23,960 --> 02:08:25,960 Speaker 3: I appreciate you for coming out here man and thinking 2743 02:08:26,000 --> 02:08:28,600 Speaker 3: about me, bro for real, an interview on me. 2744 02:08:28,600 --> 02:08:30,520 Speaker 1: Man, for real. People's been asking for this, man, So 2745 02:08:30,520 --> 02:08:31,880 Speaker 1: I'm glad we was able to link back up. 2746 02:08:31,960 --> 02:08:35,320 Speaker 3: Man. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah, that's that's cool. 2747 02:08:35,360 --> 02:08:35,600 Speaker 1: Man. 2748 02:08:35,680 --> 02:08:38,120 Speaker 3: But I like what you're doing, big Dog. I like 2749 02:08:38,160 --> 02:08:38,720 Speaker 3: what you're doing. 2750 02:08:38,880 --> 02:08:39,400 Speaker 1: Love, brother. 2751 02:08:39,720 --> 02:08:41,920 Speaker 3: I ain't gonna lie, I do. I love what you're doing. 2752 02:08:41,960 --> 02:08:42,120 Speaker 1: Bro. 2753 02:08:42,240 --> 02:08:44,200 Speaker 2: I'm always watching you know that, Yes, sir. 2754 02:08:44,200 --> 02:08:47,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, appreciate you, b Yeah. Man, I appreciate y'all tuning 2755 02:08:47,240 --> 02:08:49,680 Speaker 1: in for another episode of the Art Award. Thank you 2756 02:08:49,680 --> 02:08:52,000 Speaker 1: for tapping in, Yes, sir. 2757 02:08:53,240 --> 02:08:54,800 Speaker 3: Thank you guys. Man appreciate it. 2758 02:08:55,600 --> 02:09:06,920 Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate Youatt