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Speaker 1: All right, let's get right into it. So I'm Spencer,

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Speaker 1: that's Daniel, that's Ryan. We're gonna be talking a lot

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Speaker 1: about fishing to day. Ryan Armstrong won the MLF event

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Speaker 1: on Kassimi Chain. You focused a lot of your time

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Speaker 1: on Tiger. How many days you actually get to practice

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Speaker 1: while you were down there, so.

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Speaker 2: We get three official days of practice for every event.

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Speaker 1: So while you were kind of scanning around because you

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Speaker 1: look at the Kassimi Chain, Daniel was actually from Florida,

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Speaker 1: so he knows quite a bit about the body of

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Speaker 3: But it's wild in Florida. You have like a lake.

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Speaker 1: Here connected with the canal and then you have a

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Speaker 1: big body of water. You were telling me, like you're

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Speaker 1: run in the morning to try to get to the

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Speaker 1: winning fish was over an hour.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was at least an hour, and a lot

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Speaker 4: of that dependent on the locking, but the locking went

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Speaker 4: really smoothly. And but yeah, it's probably been about an hour.

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Speaker 2: To where I was fishing.

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Speaker 1: I laughed because I hear some of that stuff, like

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Speaker 1: it took me an hour to get to where I

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Speaker 1: was going, How do you even find those fish?

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like to spend that kind

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so it definitely takes a lot of work. So

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Speaker 4: I practiced from sunrise to sunset. I was probably the

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Speaker 4: you're spending you know, depends on what time of the

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Speaker 2: Cassimi Chain event.

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Speaker 4: And so a lot of the times, though, you plan

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Speaker 4: you want to focus on, like in this case, the

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Speaker 4: going through that as on the boat. So you may

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Speaker 4: travel by truck and then launch at appropriate ramp, so

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Speaker 4: it takes you less time to travel during practice and

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Speaker 2: So that's kind of what I did.

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Speaker 4: I used Tchenol's ramp in practice and then and then

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Speaker 3: So I want to kind of figure out a little

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Speaker 3: know each other because we actually fish Gunnersville together in

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Speaker 1: We'll get into that a little bit. But Ryan Armstrong,

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Speaker 1: where did your passion and enjoyment of fishing come from?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 4: I think I liked fishing from the time I can

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Speaker 4: even remember anything. So we have a little kid, I

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Speaker 4: would fish farm ponds and anytime I could, you know,

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Speaker 4: see a body of water, I wanted to ride and

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Speaker 4: I wanted to go fish. And I really didn't have

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Speaker 4: It was just kind of a natural instinct for me

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Speaker 4: southern Illinois there's not a lot of good fishing and

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Speaker 4: it's not a fishing community. But for whatever reason, I

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Speaker 4: always liked the outdoors. I liked a deer hunt. You know,

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Speaker 4: nobody deer hunted that I really was in my family

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Speaker 1: Well, then how did you get into fishing because you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I had I had some I had some

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Speaker 4: drop me off, I'm gonna fish. Like that's where I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna be this afternoon. You know. I had playing basketball,

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Speaker 4: But my great uncle Jerry, he uh, he definitely fished.

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Speaker 4: And but I wasn't real close to him when I

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Speaker 4: He would, you know, fish anywhere as far as our

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Speaker 4: He's my great uncle, so I don't know. There's not

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Speaker 1: It's interesting you bring that up, because you know, Daniel,

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Speaker 1: you and I talked about this last time we were

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Speaker 1: as an adult. I grew up on an incredible bass lake.

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Speaker 1: But I didn't have somebody like my dad didn't fish,

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Speaker 1: I bought a storm wiggle wart and I just asked

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Speaker 3: it's this exact color. This is it.

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Speaker 1: I showed it to Daniel the other day. That thing's

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Speaker 3: I bought it.

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Speaker 1: But then when I moved to Georgia, I started getting

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Speaker 3: That's the connection.

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Speaker 1: When he goes to Florida and fish, this is your

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Speaker 3: Why not? Like what what was holding you back from

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Speaker 4: I think that he did that more whenever, uh so whenever.

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Speaker 4: When I was younger, he would do that. And then

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Speaker 4: But you know, we would we would jump around local

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Speaker 4: It's seventeen hundred acres. It's actually been raided in the

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Speaker 2: But it's a it's a really good lake over there

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Speaker 3: Where did the passion for tournament fishing come in?

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Speaker 4: Uh, Tournament fishing came from probably my athletics man, because

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Speaker 4: I'm an I'm a very competitive person that just wants

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Speaker 2: Of hard to get motivated to go have fun and fish.

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Speaker 4: It's got to be a purpose behind it, and the

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Speaker 4: purpose behind it is to win. When in order to win,

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Speaker 1: That's how I feel about marathons, Like, why would anybody

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Speaker 4: So competition, right, So, growing up, if it had a ball,

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Speaker 4: I probably did it. I mean, whether it be whatever,

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Speaker 4: I love athletics, I love competing. But you know, whenever

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Speaker 4: You know, it's not happening, right, So you and that's

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: But this this is, you know, fishing is kind of

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Speaker 2: And and it's in the community you learn.

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Speaker 4: You know, you you wind up meeting people and and

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Speaker 5: When did you get your first basketball? What was your

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Speaker 4: Oh huh man, I remember, so I would say there

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy this happened.

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Speaker 4: This guy was, uh, this guy was actually I think

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Speaker 4: and hooking us up. And he he even gave us

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Speaker 2: Of a deal that was?

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Speaker 4: It changes you to have a new lease on life

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Speaker 1: How much does your son play into your drive to

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Speaker 2: You gotta take opportunity of life.

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Speaker 4: That's my kind of my motto. I don't care if

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Speaker 1: I think I think an interesting parallel to all that

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Speaker 1: You can just go down to a bank, clear your head,

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Speaker 2: Yep, yep. It's that pullback, man, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: It's that split second you fishing, detecting the bite and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can just be free for a second.

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Speaker 4: It's something about it. I don't know what it is.

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Speaker 4: It's like pulling back on a giant buck. What is

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Speaker 4: And it's the same thing of that one split second

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Speaker 1: It's like Daniel, when you set the hook on a fish.

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Speaker 1: Because I watch you do it, we'll go through your mind.

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Speaker 5: I like catching them obviously, but the amount of stress

443
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,200
Speaker 5: that goes through your mind when you're trying to land

444
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,800
Speaker 5: a big fish when there's you know, how stake tournament,

445
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:02,400
Speaker 5: you know, it's it's it's stressful.

446
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,679
Speaker 3: It's not is that like the pressure side of like

447
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:05,680
Speaker 3: I have to get.

448
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 5: This in yeah, I think so, yeah, yeah, And but

449
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 5: then you know, obviously it's fun and there's but it's

450
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,439
Speaker 5: there's a lot of anxiety behind it.

451
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,920
Speaker 3: When you lose one then what happens. I mean, that's

452
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't try not to spin out.

453
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,440
Speaker 2: I guess that's about it.

454
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 1: I played baseball at a pretty high level, and I

455
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,160
Speaker 1: was always under the impression. I think this actually helps

456
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,280
Speaker 1: out a lot in fishing. Is if you make a mistake,

457
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 1: if you have an error, you got to just wipe

458
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,639
Speaker 1: it clean and get right back at it. Like you

459
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,439
Speaker 1: can't think about that error that you just made. You

460
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 1: got to go for the next one. So if you

461
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,399
Speaker 1: lose one, you're not going to get that fish back

462
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,439
Speaker 1: unless you go back half or or after it.

463
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, it goes back to positivity. If you lose one

464
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 4: that you know was the right one. You can either

465
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 4: look at it as like devastating, oh my gosh, I'm

466
00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,080
Speaker 4: never going to recover, or you can be like, you

467
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 4: know what, like I just did something right. I just

468
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 4: not got the big bite. I just got that big bite.

469
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,199
Speaker 4: I'm doing the right thing. I'm going to generate some

470
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 4: more big bites. It's better than me and clueless and

471
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,679
Speaker 4: not getting a big bite. So it clues you in like, Okay,

472
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,439
Speaker 4: you know I can generate that big bite. I know

473
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 4: I kind of know what they're doing. Now you know

474
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 4: what I mean, And so I'm going to go generate

475
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,959
Speaker 4: some more big bites because I know, I think I

476
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 4: know what to do. So you know, the next one,

477
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,439
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do everything in my power to put it

478
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 4: in the boat.

479
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 2: You know.

480
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 4: I mean there's no there's no science behind exactly like

481
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 4: you can guarantee I'm gonna put it in the boat.

482
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 4: But it's just part of fishing. But at least you

483
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 4: know you're doing what it takes in order to generate

484
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 4: the right bite. So I mean that's the positive way

485
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 4: of looking at it.

486
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I want to know how you keep the momentum going. Man,

487
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 5: how do you do it? Do you feel like you

488
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 5: have a good momentum coming into the.

489
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 4: Next event or yeah, I'm kind of a momentum person historically,

490
00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 4: so yeah, I think it can go well. I I

491
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 4: have a a lot of faith in myself. I have

492
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 4: a really good work ethic. I do a lot of preparation.

493
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 4: I feel like I do my homework. Yeah, I mean,

494
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 4: it's fishing, but I'm gonna go attack. I'm on attack

495
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 4: mode and I fully plan on you know, and and

496
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 4: doing everything I need and to do necessary to compete

497
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 4: at a high level against these guys, and it's not

498
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 4: easy because.

499
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 2: Everybody's really, really good, they really are.

500
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 4: You fish against these guys and the invitationals all stack

501
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 4: them up against anybody in the country.

502
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 3: You think the invitationals are better than the opens as

503
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 3: far as level of competitiveness, And there's a reason why

504
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 3: I'm asking that question. I want your opinion, Daniel, I

505
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 3: want yours.

506
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 4: Still, Oh man, I don't want to sound a certain

507
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 4: I don't want to.

508
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 3: Sound straight up with you.

509
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 1: I've had guys who are best Master elites, yeah, who

510
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 1: tell me that even the top fifty in mL AB

511
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: in the BPT Tour couldn't handle the top fifty in

512
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: bass Master Elites.

513
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 4: So across the board, I would say, absolutely the invitationals

514
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 4: are stouter, stouter, stouter, Okay, for sure, stat But I'm

515
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 4: not going to say the top the top whatever against

516
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 4: the other top whatever is better because you can take

517
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 4: guys in the bass Master Opens and take those those guys.

518
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 2: Let's let let's just.

519
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 4: Line twenty of them up, okay, and then let's take

520
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 4: the invitationals and line twenty of them up, and I'm

521
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 4: going to say those those twenty are better than those twenty.

522
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 4: Absolutely not not but across the board from the field, absolutely,

523
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 4: I would say that.

524
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no doubt.

525
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 3: Here's something that I thought about the other day because

526
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 3: you and I were talking about the rule changes. I mean,

527
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 3: this has obviously been a big thing in fishing.

528
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, take us through the Kassimi chain day by day.

529
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 3: It's a three day tournament.

530
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 2: It's a three day tournament. Yep.

531
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: Day one, you're allowed to use live scope, forward facing

532
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 1: son three sixty yep.

533
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 3: But day two what happens?

534
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 4: So on day two there is no three sixty, there's

535
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 4: no ford facing sonar. So you get locked up, you

536
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 4: get lock boxes put on your cables or high visibility orange.

537
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 4: Everybody sees that you are not using any form of

538
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,679
Speaker 4: forward facing or three sixty sonar. So you have to

539
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 4: just actually fish.

540
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 3: And that's gonna be the way it is for the

541
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 3: rest of the season, right.

542
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: It's not just because you guys are in Florida and

543
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: shallow water in the whole deal.

544
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 4: So you can use ford facing sonar on day one

545
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 4: and day three, but obviously in order to make Day

546
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 4: three championship day, you're gonna have to fish an entire

547
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 4: day without it.

548
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: That's why I was asking, like, where the level of

549
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: competition is, is the MLF making changes to really showcase

550
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: who is the most well rounded.

551
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 3: Because they haven't done that in bass Master, right, Daniel, No, No,

552
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 3: they haven't.

553
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: So in bass Master you're allowed to use ford facing sonar.

554
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 1: I think there's limitations on the transducer, and it's.

555
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 4: A totally different thing because whenever you allow it, you

556
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 4: know at the opens level, and they can use it

557
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 4: every single day. What it boils down to is the

558
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 4: people that are going to prevail is going to be

559
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 4: totally different than the people that prevail without it. It's

560
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 4: simple as that. There's really no arguing about that. So

561
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 4: there's gonna be a deal where people are going to

562
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 4: decide where they want to fish because of that.

563
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 2: So, I mean, it gets a strategy, It gets really

564
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 2: it gets real into.

565
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 5: How many people are in the invitationals right now.

566
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 4: So we have one hundred and fifty man roster that

567
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 4: is not quite full, but yeah, one hundred and fifty.

568
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 2: I think it's two hundred and thirty in the open.

569
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a big difference right there, even because there's

570
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 5: two hundred and thirty people in the open. So, I mean,

571
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 5: I guess you're common about it being a little stouter,

572
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,479
Speaker 5: probably just numbers wise, it's probably correct.

573
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 4: Well, and you have so many people from you know,

574
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,479
Speaker 4: the VPT and and you know probably even some Elite

575
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 4: Series guys that used to be in the Elite Series,

576
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 4: and you have so many older FLW twour.

577
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 2: Guys, and then you have the young the young crowd

578
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 2: as well.

579
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 4: That it's i mean, they're they're absolutely unbelievable with the box.

580
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 4: I mean whenever they put that forward vision zoner on there.

581
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 4: And things have changed so much over the last you know,

582
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 4: forty years whatever, five years in fishing that we could

583
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 4: sit here and talk about this for hours of of

584
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 4: how much the industry has changed. As far as the

585
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 4: names that you see. You're going to go back and

586
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 4: look and you know, twenty eighteen and look at you know,

587
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 4: top whatever angle wise, and then you're gonna look at it,

588
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 4: you know now, and you're not you're not even gonna

589
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 4: recognize people because they're they're so young and and they're there,

590
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 4: but that because they've worked so hard at that scope game.

591
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 4: And then that the other guys you know, maybe dismissed

592
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 4: it or felt like that they you know, well, I'm

593
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 4: so good at what I do that, I'm gonna be

594
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 4: able to compete, and I'll tell you it takes a

595
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 4: special tournament. It for if Ford facing sonars allowed the

596
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 4: entire tournament, it takes a very special situation for you

597
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 4: to come out, not necessarily even on top, but in

598
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 4: a top twenty or a top ten.

599
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 3: Without using it.

600
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 4: Without using it, it's so unbelievably dominant that But.

601
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: That's why I think it's so interesting because now you

602
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 1: have such a split when it comes to the professional ranks.

603
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: You know this question was posed to me on social

604
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: media not too long ago, but what do you believe

605
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: creates a professional angler?

606
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: Like?

607
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: What are the characteristics that make somebody be able to

608
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: say I'm a pro fisherman. I've always believed that you

609
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: have to be on the Bass Master Elites, or you've

610
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: got to be in the BPT. You have to qualify

611
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: in order to get there, and then from there you

612
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: got to be able to generate money to be able

613
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: to feed yourself for me to consider you a full professional.

614
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.

615
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 4: I mean you need to fish nationally and you probably

616
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 4: should have qualif to be there, which is the case

617
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 4: on to a certain extent on the BPT when they started,

618
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 4: but on the elite.

619
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 2: Like the.

620
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: NPFL for me is high stakes gambling, like you pay

621
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: to play. And even the NPFL has changed the makeup

622
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: of what professional tournaments look like because you have a

623
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: lot of guys who are BPT, you have a lot

624
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: of guys that are bass elites, and they're looking at

625
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: it as a way to go in there and you know,

626
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: probably jackpot a little bit, to be honest, because when

627
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: the NPFL first started, you didn't have that many pros

628
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: in there. Now every year it seems like you're getting

629
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: more and a lot of them are doing the dual

630
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: tournament trail. It's not just while I used to be

631
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: an elite, so now I'm over here now. No, they're

632
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: still elites for sure. They go over and fish. There's

633
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: still BPT and they come over and fish.

634
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: Well.

635
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 4: I think some of the guys that still fish professionally,

636
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 4: that are joining that league and fishing that league have

637
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 4: kind of portrayed it as therapy because they can go

638
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:03,239
Speaker 4: there and fish the way they used to fish and

639
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 4: not worry about that kid looking at that box and

640
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, I got to go look at that box.

641
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: I mean think it's just that I think it's I

642
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: think it's the riggers of being on tournament trails, Like, look,

643
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: you're on the BPT or you're a bas lead. They

644
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: ask a lot of you, I mean a lot. It's

645
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,959
Speaker 1: not as easy as just signing your name, going to

646
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: a tournament, blasting off at six, wrapping up by two

647
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: or three, and going home. Like You've got media requests,

648
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: you've got photo shoots, you've got sponsors that you're held

649
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: in too. I mean there's a lot that go I've

650
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: had plenty of guys tell me like the level of

651
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: angler appreciation over here compared to overhears completely different. But

652
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: the MPFL they're trying to get their feet going, like

653
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: they're trying to build the foundation. So a lot of

654
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: guys are like, I can fish a high level, big

655
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: money tournament but not have all the other extracurricular stuff

656
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: that I got to worry about.

657
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 4: I'm not going to dismiss what you're saying, but I

658
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 4: I assure you that they want to go fish a

659
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 4: tournament where they know that they do.

660
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: Not have to worry about that.

661
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 4: Guys, sure, looking at that screen, because that's what it's about,

662
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 4: I assure you.

663
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: But is that the only thing I mean, I think

664
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: there's plenty of other reasons as to why the MPFL

665
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: is so attractive to current anglers and former pros.

666
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 5: Well, if you're on the BPT though and the elites,

667
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 5: I think you're banned from fishing either organization.

668
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: Crew No no, no, yeah, still fishing. And the MPFL

669
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: has gotten to the point now where even though you

670
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: don't qualify for it, you kind of have to be invited.

671
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: When it first came out, it was do you have

672
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars? Do you want to get in? Like

673
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: you got to pay for all the tournaments. So then

674
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: guys would and I mean I had friends of mine

675
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: call me just regular anglers. Most of the did Toyota

676
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: Series and maybe that was the highest level that they did,

677
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: and their thought, Ryan was, I can go see if

678
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: I can hang with.

679
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 3: Some big dogs.

680
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: But you know how many of them big dogs started

681
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: coming out of other kennels to be able to come down.

682
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: Now you look at the top fifty of the NPFL roster,

683
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: there's at least forty guys that are bas.

684
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 3: Elites or BPT in there. It's great. I mean it's

685
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 3: grown immensely.

686
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look who they are. They're generally older guys.

687
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you have Buddy Gross's doing both. Matt Herron

688
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: just left the bas Elites and he's heading over to

689
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: the MPFL. There's there's a lot to be said for

690
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: those organizations that are running the tournaments. But what what

691
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: do you consider a pro like? What would make you

692
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: a pro angler?

693
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: I don't know.

694
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 4: There's a clear difference in and fishing and open as

695
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 4: opposed to qualifying for fishing on a national stage. There's

696
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 4: a clear difference between an open at seventeen hundred dollars.

697
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 2: Entry fee or whatever it's a it's right.

698
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 4: At seventeen hundred dollars as opposed to the invitationals at

699
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 4: fifty five hundred dollars.

700
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 3: But take money out of it.

701
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: I still think the invitationals in the opens are on

702
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: pretty even playing ground because you're both trying to qualify

703
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: to get to the next big level.

704
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

705
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 4: And it's different though in the MLF because the qualifying

706
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 4: round for the invitationals would be the Toyotas, which the Toyotas,

707
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 4: in my opinion, would be the equivalent to bat So

708
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 4: the bass Masters opens.

709
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying.

710
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 3: That's interesting. I mean, I get with the money.

711
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 4: For sure, it's an open to an open, and it's

712
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 4: seventeen hundred dollars to seventeen hundred dollars, so there certainly

713
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 4: is a difference.

714
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 3: So then what's the invitationals in your mind? Are you

715
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 3: guys like.

716
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 4: The FLW two in my mind? And the BPT is

717
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 4: something that got created that never.

718
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 3: Existed, spun off of what what they ultimately saw out

719
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 3: of the invitationals way.

720
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 2: And I think it's the way to look at it.

721
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they created the BPT as the new

722
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 4: top tier, and then you had.

723
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: A lot of the FLW two guys.

724
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 4: There you are at the tackle Warehouse Invitationals, you know,

725
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,239
Speaker 4: and that, and that's where we're at with that.

726
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: Let's get into the Kissimi chain because obviously you were

727
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: the champion there. You took home eighty thousand dollars. You've

728
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: had a lot of killer video. The clips have been

729
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 1: really good. We have to talk about your dancing feet,

730
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: we can do that. I don't know where that comes from.

731
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: You strike me as the type of kid that when

732
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: you played Super Mario, if you hit jump and Mario jumped,

733
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: then you would jump at the same exact time. Yeah, man,

734
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 1: you get excited when you set the huck, And what's

735
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: not to be excited about when you have twenty nine

736
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: pounds on day one?

737
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you block out, I think, right.

738
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 4: So it goes back to what I was talking about earlier,

739
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 4: that split second and when you get a bite, that's

740
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 4: when something happens inside of you and you almost black out,

741
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 4: and you are doing whatever it takes to get that

742
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 4: fish in the boat. So I've thought about this ever since,

743
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 4: cause I really didn't even necessarily know that I did

744
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 4: this until I've went back and watched some GoPro stuff

745
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 4: from like years perrior and I actually made a post

746
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 4: about this. I think it was at Kentucky Lake last year.

747
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 4: I had small Mouth jumping and I jumped, and I

748
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 4: made a post that said when they jump, I jump,

749
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 4: and so so I got a theory though, Man, I

750
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 4: thought about this, right, So I'm being kind of funny,

751
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 4: but listen, whenever they jump, what happens. Whenever you jump,

752
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 4: your line goes up higher, your rod tip goes up higher.

753
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 4: It keeps more attension on them. So that's my story.

754
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 4: That's that's my story, and I'm being funny about this,

755
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 4: but maybe it's physics, right, you know, maybe in my mind,

756
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 4: I'm doing everything to keep that tight, and it's just

757
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 4: doing everything in my power to keep that keep that

758
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 4: slack out of the line. But it's it is kind

759
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 4: of funny to watch and I actually don't even realize

760
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 4: I'm doing it when I do it. But but yeah,

761
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 4: I know that they were talking about that on Live

762
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 4: and talking about the Texas two step or something they

763
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 4: were talking about, So so I'll take it.

764
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 2: I'm good.

765
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 3: When did you realize in that tournament that you had

766
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 3: it in the bag?

767
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 4: So whenever I was pre practice or not pre practicing

768
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 4: but official practicing, I went in that area and I

769
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 4: started making a few pitches around and my rod had

770
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 4: the biggest bites that you could possibly imagine. And I

771
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 4: did not set the hook, and I knew they were

772
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 4: big though, so I had felt other big bites.

773
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 3: So you never once checked a fish in that area.

774
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 2: I did not wow, I did not know.

775
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 4: I knew what was happening because I had felt those

776
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 4: same bites and other areas of Kassimi and I did

777
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 4: set the hook and they were they were definitely quality,

778
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 4: big quality bites. There's a clear difference between a five

779
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 4: to eight pound fish as opposed to a two and

780
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 4: a half pound fish, especially when you're fishing in two

781
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,439
Speaker 4: and a half foot of water on you know, hard

782
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 4: bottom with a heavy weight and whenever they bite that thing,

783
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 4: I mean with sixty pound braid and an eight foot

784
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 4: extra heavy rod, I mean you're basically fishing with a

785
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,439
Speaker 4: broomstick with rope. So there's one hundred percent positive feedback, right,

786
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 4: So whenever they bite, there's a massive difference.

787
00:36:59,600 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 2: Right.

788
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,439
Speaker 4: So from catching and setting the hook on other fish

789
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 4: throughout the system, I knew what those bites feel like,

790
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 4: and the difference was with that area there was a

791
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 4: massive concentration of those bites as opposed to just getting

792
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 4: a big bite and then maybe not getting another big

793
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 4: bite until you know, you may not even get another

794
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 4: big bite for four hours and it might be a

795
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 4: mile away. Well, there's not much rhyme or rhythm to that.

796
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 4: This was a concentrated area of big bites. And so

797
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 4: I found that the morning of day two.

798
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: Of practice, and.

799
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 4: I left it and I went all around the whole

800
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 4: entire area within literally miles of that in kind of

801
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 4: a circle area of that area, and I had one

802
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 4: other decent bite, and so I took a step back.

803
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 4: It was, you know it was it was probably early afternoon,

804
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 4: late morning, around noon or whatever. And I sat back,

805
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 4: I got me a little something to eat, got me

806
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 4: a drink, I spot locked down, and I just looked

807
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 4: at the whole area, and I thought about what had

808
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 4: happened that morning, and I said, every single fish is

809
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 4: cooking there, obviously, not every fish obviously, but there is

810
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 4: a massive population of fish that is going there.

811
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 3: Do you think they were gonna reload on day two?

812
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: Yeah? I did, I really did, because.

813
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 3: So that would be my biggest fear in Florida because

814
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 3: you caught thirty pounds day one, twenty nine to seven

815
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 3: or whatever it was.

816
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was twenty nine to twelve.

817
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: So how do you so if you catch thirty pounds

818
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: of bass, how you know they're gonna reload?

819
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 4: So this is the way I looked at it. Most

820
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 4: of my big bites came on the outside of that

821
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 4: where they were entering right, not up in it, not

822
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 4: on the inside. They were coming on the outside. And

823
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 4: anybody that's fish Florida knows what I'm talking about.

824
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: These fish are black. They're very very dark. They're very

825
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 2: very black.

826
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 4: My fish, Jody White actually looked at my fish that

827
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 4: weigh in and he.

828
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 2: Was like, dude, your fish are like white.

829
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 4: And I looked at him and smiled and I said,

830
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 4: I don't know, buddy, I said, they're coming man, those fish.

831
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 3: So they were hanging deep offshore.

832
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 2: Oh I think so for sure. Yep, yep.

833
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 3: They were the black gets the color.

834
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 2: They were just showing up.

835
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 5: Oh, when they show up off the lake, they usually

836
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 5: have white bellies, just like their pre spawn.

837
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 2: Yea thing.

838
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 4: They were clean, and they were white. They weren't real dark.

839
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 4: They weren't that black color. And I was catching them

840
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 4: on that outside. And the thing about it is is

841
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 4: that I didn't even expose the whole area when I

842
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 4: had twenty nine to twelve.

843
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 2: And here's the other thing.

844
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 4: I did not see a single person make a cast.

845
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 4: And I left at noon, so I caught basically all

846
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 4: that weight from about ten to noon in the morning.

847
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 4: So whenever I leave at noon in Florida, everyone knows

848
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 4: in the afternoon things start happening and the bike can

849
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 4: really pick up because that especially in that pre spawn

850
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 4: and that spawn, because that water's warming up, that sun

851
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 4: gets high, the days are getting longer.

852
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 3: Fish, you're already in shallow water.

853
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, fish are coming, the temperatures rise, things like that.

854
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 4: So this is what made me think that this is

855
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 4: gonna be okay, because I had didn't really expose a

856
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 4: whole lot of the inside or middle port. There was

857
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 4: things I could have done to really expose more of it, and.

858
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: I did that outside and.

859
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 4: I left it from noon till dark and all night

860
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 4: and day two. I really didn't push into those areas

861
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 4: that I had learned because I really didn't know a

862
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 4: lot about the area whenever I started on day one

863
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 4: because I'm I'm not jacking the fish and exposing the

864
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 4: fish and practice right, So I'm just kind of.

865
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 2: Learning as I'm going. But I did spend some time

866
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: on my trolling.

867
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 4: Motor whenever I realized there was a lot of big fish,

868
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 4: and I'm just kind of weaving around on my trolling motor,

869
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 4: zooming around seeing the way like these little ledges set ups,

870
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 4: and making sure there's enough water off the main ditch,

871
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 4: making sure I can even navigate my boat through list

872
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 4: because there was some shallow water. So I really, you know,

873
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 4: just trying to learn and be simply to be efficient

874
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 4: during tournament day, but as you actually go fish for them.

875
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 4: On day one, you start learning more about your area

876
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 4: and things start developing. So with me leaving them at noon,

877
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 4: I knew that there was going.

878
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 2: To be more.

879
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 4: I mean, I had twenty keeper bites, you know, on

880
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 4: on day one. So there was a lot of males

881
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 4: and they were peeing and the females were on the

882
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,919
Speaker 4: outside coming. It started making a whole lot of sense,

883
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 4: and I started.

884
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 2: Learning a whole lot about it.

885
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 4: So on day two, what I did was I started

886
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 4: a non productive area within eyesight of it, and around

887
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 4: ten is whenever I started making my push to where

888
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 4: I thought I'm going to generate those bigger bites. And

889
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 4: from ten to noon I did. I caught twenty two

890
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 4: and a half and I left at noon again. So

891
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 4: the key was me managing my area and and and

892
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 4: not seeing anybody else make a cast.

893
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 2: And simply were I simply felt like all I was simply.

894
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 4: Fishing in an area where they were going to and

895
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 4: I had it to myself, and I mean I was

896
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 4: I've done stuff like this in practices before at this level,

897
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 4: and I found stuff, and honestly I felt like I

898
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 4: could probably win. Before I've been in the top twenty,

899
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 4: I've been in the top ten at this level before

900
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 4: and after day one, and I really get dialed in

901
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 4: on something, but you just never know, Like on a

902
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 4: three day event, it's so much different than like a

903
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 4: BFL or you know, a club tournament or whatever. It's like, yeah,

904
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 4: you can go crack them one day, but on a

905
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 4: three day event, it's literally the most different animal that

906
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 4: you could possibly imagine if you've never done it, especially

907
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 4: against the talent that we fish against. So for it's

908
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 4: a hold. I knew to answer maybe your question. Halfway

909
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 4: through day two, I was so dialed in. There was

910
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 4: nothing going on in the whole entire world except for

911
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 4: me in that area. Literally knew nothing, cared about nothing.

912
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 4: I was dialed in on that area, and I was

913
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 4: getting to the point where I legitimately was calling my shots,

914
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 4: like I'm going to get a bike right here, that's

915
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 4: going to happen and I would get a bite and

916
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 4: and so I looked at the camera actually on day

917
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 4: two and I said my cameraman and I said, I

918
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 4: have won a lot of tournaments when I feel like

919
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 4: this it's happening. And I knew that I was I

920
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 4: was going to be very difficult to beat now.

921
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: There was a little bit of controversy that came with

922
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: your tournament when there were a couple of people that

923
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: posted on social media that there was an issue in

924
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: the lock.

925
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 3: I don't.

926
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: I've never been to the Kissimi chain, so I don't

927
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 1: really know how it lays out, but I've been through

928
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 1: a few locks. How does a situation like that where

929
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: some people said that there was cutting in line and

930
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, how do you jockey for

931
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: position during a competition where there's no real rule on that.

932
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: It's just more of an unwritten gentleman's agreement kind of

933
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: thing when you pull up.

934
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 3: To a lock.

935
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't seen any controversy about it. I haven't.

936
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: Nobody's told me anything about it.

937
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 4: I basically pulled up to the I don't know which

938
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 4: day we're talking about, but I would pull up there,

939
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 4: and the lockmaster would be getting all of our registration

940
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 4: information and give you a number, and there's just a

941
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 4: bunch of people just basically hanging on because there's wind

942
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 4: and there's current and sure, you know, I mean just

943
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 4: bumping boats and everybody's just sitting there talking, hanging out.

944
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 4: And I don't know of any kind of controversy. I

945
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 4: got along with every single person there, and we sat

946
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 4: there and talked and heck, we were talking about deer

947
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 4: hunting and talking and inviting people to come over and

948
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 4: deer hunt on some of my area back in Illinois.

949
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 4: So from my standpoint, everything seemed to be perfectly fine.

950
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: The competitive side, though, I mean, really, if there are

951
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: issues in locks, because you can pull up to a lock,

952
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: maybe they let four or five boats go through, that's

953
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 1: as big as it is. Or they have some locks

954
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 1: meaning fit fifteen to twenty boats, just depending on where

955
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: you're at.

956
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was the case there.

957
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: Is it Is it more of like a gentleman's agreement

958
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: kind of thing or an unwritten rule, or is it

959
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: more like you just go when somebody tells you that

960
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: you got to go.

961
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,479
Speaker 2: I'd say it's a combination of both.

962
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 3: Daniel, Yes, it's probably a combination of both.

963
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 4: Agree with them because I'm sitting here thinking, it's not

964
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 4: like the lockmasters like boat one, two, Boat three, you

965
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 4: guys are there, you guys go over there.

966
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 2: That that group of guys is next that that doesn't happen.

967
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: So who knows. I mean, there's there's you know, maybe

968
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 2: you get a chance.

969
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 4: There's maybe thirty boats sitting there, and and you know,

970
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 4: the winds pushing these people over here, The current's pushing

971
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 4: these people over there. These guys are just sitting there,

972
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 4: hanging out talking, not really paying attention. And you know,

973
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 4: I mean whenever they open the locks up, everybody's on

974
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 4: their trolling motor and you just start you just I mean,

975
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 4: you're just literally filtering in. And ultimately, me personally, I

976
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 4: would listen to the lockmaster and you know or whatever.

977
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 1: So I'm the type of person where I just feel

978
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: like if you're in a competition, because to me, it's

979
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: no different than you passing somebody on the water. Like

980
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: a tournament recently and I passed seven boats on the

981
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: way down to a spot. Am I supposed to wait

982
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: for the boat in front of me to get to

983
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: wherever it's got to go?

984
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I mean, your your whole goal

985
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 3: is to get to your spot before everybody else, and

986
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 3: there's no rule quote unquote against it.

987
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean there's some gentleman rules, I guess. You know,

988
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 5: like if a tournament leaders, you know, leading, and he's

989
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 5: been fishing a bank, obviously you don't pull up on it,

990
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 5: you know, or if a tournament leader, you know, has

991
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 5: a whole bunch of fish and he's coming back through

992
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 5: the lock, you know, and he needs to get through,

993
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 5: and you know.

994
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 3: But in that case, you were good. You were leadings exactly.

995
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you were you.

996
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 3: Were the heads on favor. I mean that's what I

997
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 3: People usually heed to the leader a little bit. It's

998
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 3: just like a gentleman's rule in in this sport.

999
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1000
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 4: I don't know what day it was, but on day

1001
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 4: one I was to the lock pretty early. Day two,

1002
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 4: I was the leader by whatever five pounds and I

1003
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,959
Speaker 4: saw but and I don't expect anybody to be like, oh,

1004
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 4: here comes the leader, like we're gonna let it.

1005
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 2: Man.

1006
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 4: I don't expect any favors onsoever. But but the reality

1007
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 4: the same token. I don't know of any controversy if you.

1008
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: If you handled day one right like you had just

1009
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: under thirty pounds, everybody knows you're the leader. On day two,

1010
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 1: you're still in a competitive thing. Because do they shorten

1011
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: the field on day three or is everybody fish day three?

1012
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 2: No, So on day three a third of the field fishes.

1013
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 3: So there you go, they shortened the field.

1014
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: So if I saw you coming up and I knew

1015
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 1: you were on a monster bag and I didn't have shit. Yeah,

1016
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna be like, dude, just go ahead, like

1017
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 1: I know you're on something really good. Builds that relationship.

1018
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: It have to be day two of anybody having controversy

1019
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: because of the fact that jealousy creeps in.

1020
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 3: They didn't do shit.

1021
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: The day before, so now they're like, well, I'm gonna

1022
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 1: try to stir up something because this guy's actually doing well.

1023
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 3: That's what it reads like to me.

1024
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, man, I get along with pretty

1025
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 4: much everybody. I don't have any controversy in my life.

1026
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 4: I heat out all that the activity, and and if

1027
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 4: anybody had a problem with me, I guess they or whatever.

1028
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 2: Get nobody said anything to me, So I don't know.

1029
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: Super proud of you. I love the fact that you

1030
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: won eighty thousand. You did all on one rod, one reel,

1031
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 1: one set of line, and one bait.

1032
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 4: I did yep, so I pretty much utilized one UH

1033
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 4: Dobbins eight oh five rod, Shimano d C Currado eight

1034
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 4: to five gear ratio with X plasma, sixty pound breid

1035
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 4: An owner five at UH owner of jungle HD hook

1036
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 4: I reaction innovation.

1037
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: Uh hematoma was really really key for me.

1038
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 4: Black and that black and blue and Florida hemotoma they

1039
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 4: were they were definitely eating that. I definitely got some

1040
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 4: key bites on some june bug stuff as well, but yeah,

1041
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 4: I don't know, everything just really worked out. The key was,

1042
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 4: like I said, I found an area where uh, fresh

1043
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 4: females were coming, and I had it to myself, Well.

1044
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: You got so specific too, And I think that's the

1045
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: true breakdown of really being on your shit is when

1046
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: you can start picking out little things like I've heard

1047
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: guys go oh, they're on the docks, and then you

1048
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 1: start looking at the dock and you're like, no, it's

1049
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: a dock with a big platform and a one slip,

1050
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: or it's a dock that's got a pontoon in it.

1051
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I've had friends of mine breaking down even

1052
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:21,919
Speaker 1: further than that, What was it about that little area

1053
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: because it seemed like you were only fishing about a

1054
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: fifty yard stretch.

1055
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 4: So to get real detailed about it, I really planned

1056
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 4: my practice for the tournament days, not the practice days.

1057
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 4: And I know that might seem like, oh, yeah, you

1058
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 4: can say that now, but I really did. On day

1059
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 4: one of practice, I found a really really big concentration

1060
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 4: of fish and they were very current related fish. So

1061
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 4: as long as anything about to send me, you might

1062
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 4: be able to figure that out. But they were very

1063
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 4: current and there was a huge population of fish that

1064
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 4: was very concentrated. I could get bit at will, but

1065
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 4: I didn't have those giant bites. I never felt or

1066
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 4: seen any of those giant bites. So the point of

1067
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 4: the matter is is that it really keyed me in

1068
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 4: on current right and the type of vegetation. So that

1069
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 4: night after day one, we went back to the Airbnb

1070
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 4: and I sat there on Google Earth and I was

1071
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 4: just literally looking at like Contour Maps and Google Earth,

1072
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 4: and I was looking where would current be with that vegetation,

1073
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 4: and I found an area that had it. So I

1074
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 4: went back down to hatching all I launched, I ran

1075
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 4: back down in a kassemi. I made that run and

1076
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 4: I just started fishing as soon as I got into

1077
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 4: that area that morning. And then, like I told you,

1078
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 4: I mean I started really generating some bites. So in

1079
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 4: my opinion, and when I say practicing for the tournament

1080
00:50:55,640 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 4: days we had experienced in Florida, some odd degree days,

1081
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 4: sixty some odd degree nights. Naturally, here comes a tournament.

1082
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 4: The night before it's forty one degrees. We have a

1083
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 4: twenty degree night temperature drop, and in Florida that's not good.

1084
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 4: So the current, I think kept fish more active. It

1085
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 4: keeps those fish as opposed to being on like a

1086
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 4: dead headed thing up in the back of a bay.

1087
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 4: You know where you may be getting sunshine, but it

1088
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 4: just now got forty one degree night. That water temperature

1089
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 4: is going to drastically decrease. And you also have nothing

1090
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 4: to keep those fish active in a biding mood because

1091
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 4: Florida fish don't get in a bidy mood when it

1092
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 4: gets cold. So I think that current kept those fish

1093
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 4: in a biding mood. And maybe I'm wrong, Maybe I'm wrong,

1094
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 4: but I assure you that in three days of practice,

1095
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 4: the most concentration of that I found for myself was

1096
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 4: current related.

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Speaker 1: Ryan Armstrong, winner of the Kassimi Chain of Lakes for

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Speaker 1: Major League Fishing on the tackle Warehouse Invitational circuit.