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Speaker 1: Everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host ESPN and Arizona Cardinals play by play

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Speaker 1: announcer Dave Pash. Our guest this week is former Arizona

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Speaker 1: Cardinals head coach and current special assistant to the head

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Speaker 1: coach with the Alabama Crimson Tide, and that's Ken Wiz

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Speaker 1: and Hunt. What Wiz and his staff did here with

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals simply remarkable, a big part of the run

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Speaker 1: to Super Bowl forty three and a return of the

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Speaker 1: playoffs the next year. We're going to talk and relive

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Speaker 1: some of those great memories from winning the NFC to

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Speaker 1: playing the Steelers in Tampa to playing the Packers the

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Speaker 1: following season, and we'll also learn a lot about many

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Speaker 1: of the star players that Wiz coached here with the Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: including Kurt Warner. And when Coach Wiz A. Hunt really

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Speaker 1: found out just how competitive Kurt Warner was, we.

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Speaker 2: Thought what would be fair for everybody was to have

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Speaker 2: an open competition for quarterback. One day, Kerk came in,

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Speaker 2: sat down in the chair in front of me, slammed

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Speaker 2: it down on the desk and said, get this competition's fair.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna win it.

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Speaker 1: We'll also talk about his current role with Alabama and

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Speaker 1: the Crimson Tides run to the College Football Playoff where

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Speaker 1: hundred next step. Looking forward to this conversation former Cardinals

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Speaker 1: head coach current special assistant to the head coach with Alabama,

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Speaker 1: Ken wizen Hunt on the Day Past Podcast. Wiz First

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Speaker 1: of all, Man, it's been great to reconnect with you,

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Speaker 1: whether it was at Penn State last year, just chatting

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Speaker 1: on the field. They're actually getting a chance to spend

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Speaker 1: some time with you in Tuscaloosa a couple months ago.

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Speaker 1: What's this journey been like for you getting back into

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Speaker 1: college football, being an analyst at Penn State for a

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Speaker 1: couple of years and now special assistant to the head

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Speaker 2: You know, it's been really good. A lot of the

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Speaker 2: college game has changed so much. To have the opportunity

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Speaker 2: to go back and be involved with that has been,

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Speaker 2: you know, really kind of special for me. It's just

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Speaker 2: such a different game from the NFL and being able

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Speaker 2: to see and interact with guys at a different stage

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Speaker 2: in their careers. And also, you know, just the way

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Speaker 2: it's played on the field has been different. So it's

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Speaker 2: really been a great experience. And I can't, you know,

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Speaker 2: be thankful enough for Penn State and for coach Aban

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Speaker 2: here at Bama for allowing me to do that.

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Speaker 1: What's it like? I know you've known Nick for a while.

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Speaker 1: What's it been like to work with him and watch

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Speaker 1: his process? And you know, how different is the way

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Speaker 1: he does things? How different or similar is it to

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Speaker 1: the way you did things either here in Arizona or

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Speaker 2: You know, I think we came up a little bit

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Speaker 2: of similar trees. He he does things, He's very structured here,

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Speaker 2: does a great job with these guys, really works them hard,

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Speaker 2: you know, make sure that they're prepared weekend, week out.

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Speaker 2: And I think he he does a great job of

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Speaker 2: identifying the human element of it, you know. And I

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Speaker 2: were similar in philosophy of how you work on the field.

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Speaker 2: And but I do think it's important to establish relationships

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Speaker 2: for you. So it's been great seeing how coach does

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Speaker 2: it because you see a man that's been so successful

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Speaker 2: you think, you know what's the what makes it so special,

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Speaker 1: It is really different and unique. Every time that we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no question about that. You know, a lot

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Speaker 2: of times I think back to my days in Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: and you know, I think when we first came to Arizona,

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Speaker 2: So I just really value the time that I've had

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Speaker 1: It was I definitely want to get to your time

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Speaker 1: here in Arizona, spend some time talking about what were

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Speaker 1: But just a couple more on Bama. You know, you

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Speaker 1: right now, the way you're playing after the Georgia win.

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Speaker 1: Take us inside a little bit. What's this season been like?

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Speaker 1: You know, I had you guys in early October. You

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Speaker 2: You know, I think a lot of it had to

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Speaker 2: You know, we had lost Bryce who was a tremendous player.

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Speaker 2: And I think that when you when you have a

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Speaker 2: been pretty cool to see how coach Saban has navigated

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Speaker 2: But I tell you what, they're very competitive, very hard

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Speaker 2: gotten better and better every week now. Obviously, the Auburn

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Speaker 1: Kenny, What were the emotions like after the fourth and

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Speaker 1: thirty one? I'm watching it on television. I had Texas

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Speaker 1: and I remember watching it live in complete shock. What

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Speaker 2: The game, Yeah, we had to play that we'd been

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Speaker 2: Going in though, I got to give our guys a

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Speaker 2: Getting the fourth and thirty one was certainly not what

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Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, this isn't foreign territory, even though it's

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Speaker 2: done it before. You know.

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Speaker 1: I've been in this organization here with the Cardinals Whiz

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Speaker 1: prior to my arrival. Obviously, it's been around for over

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Speaker 1: one hundred years. But when I think of the legendary

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, And I'm just curious, how often do you

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Speaker 1: We were in Pittsburgh a couple of weeks ago for

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Speaker 1: The next year, you guys accomplished something that at that

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Speaker 2: what a lot of it goes back to the fan

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00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 2: support that we had because we really had home field advantage,

436
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 2: you know, there in in the stadium, and that's something

437
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 2: that's so important, I think when you've got that because

438
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 2: if you think about the just a division opponent in

439
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 2: Seattle and how tough it is to play there because

440
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 2: of the noise, it really helped us and it was

441
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 2: it was really special to win that game and see

442
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 2: the fans and the excitement, So you know that that

443
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 2: means a lot to the players, It meant a lot

444
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 2: to us, and it's really one of the things I

445
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 2: look back on as one of my favorite games. You know,

446
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 2: in my time.

447
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: You mentioned Kurt, You've coached a lot of Hall of

448
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: famers and Wis you deserve a lot of credit for

449
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 1: your input into the playing careers of those guys that

450
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: have been inducted into the Hall of Fame or one

451
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: day will be inducted into the Hall of Fame. Specifically

452
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,679
Speaker 1: with Kurt, is there a story or a moment that

453
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 1: stands out. I'm sure there were a lot of them,

454
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 1: but anything you remember that really stands out about your

455
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 1: time together.

456
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if Kurt's going to be happy

457
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 2: that I tell you about this, but you know, the

458
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 2: the uh the first year that I came there, Kurt,

459
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 2: Kurt was a backup and Matt was was our starter,

460
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 2: and we were committed to go with Matt. But one

461
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 2: of the things that we found out early was that

462
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 2: Kurt was really really good at no huddle, so, you know,

463
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 2: and Matt was a young quarterback and hadn't done a

464
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 2: lot of that. So even though I know that was

465
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 2: tough on Matt, during that course of the early part

466
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 2: of that year, we were platooning Kurt with Matt in

467
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 2: the games, and when we went two minutes or we

468
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 2: went no huddle, we put Kurt in. And the thing

469
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,959
Speaker 2: that I can remember vividly is every time we did that,

470
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 2: we got a spark and we played really well. So

471
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: it you know, we went through that for a couple

472
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 2: of games, and then unfortunately Matt got hurt and Kurt

473
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 2: took over and we just kind of the first year,

474
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 2: this was the first season that we were there. You know,

475
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 2: we ended up I think it was eight and eight,

476
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,479
Speaker 2: and Kurt played well down the stretch. I know this

477
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 2: is a long story. I'm getting to the point. But

478
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 2: going into the next season, we thought what would be

479
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 2: fair for everybody was to have an open competition for quarterback.

480
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 2: And you know, Matt wasn't happy. Kurt wasn't happy because

481
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 2: both of them felt like they deserved the job. And

482
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 2: I get it, but you know, it's hard to navigate

483
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 2: that position as a coach, especially because every single day

484
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 2: guys like you asked us, well, who's winning the competition?

485
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 2: So you know, we get that over and over, but

486
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 2: I'll never forget one day Kurt came in and I

487
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: guess after his time in New York or you know,

488
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: even when his first part there at Arizona, he didn't

489
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 2: necessarily feel like he'd gotten a clear chance to prove himself.

490
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 2: Him into my office, sat down in the chair in

491
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: front of me, slammed his hair down on the desk,

492
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 2: and said, if this competition's fair, I'm gonna win it.

493
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 2: I was just sitting here thinking, this is a guy

494
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 2: that's been to a super Bowl, but his competitiveness made

495
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 2: him feel like he had to do that because he

496
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 2: was so passionate about winning the job and what it

497
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 2: meant to him. And this is no disrespect to Matt.

498
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 2: Matt worked hard too, but you know, Kurt, it was

499
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 2: pretty impressive to see a guy like that, where he

500
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 2: was in his stage of the year, come in with

501
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 2: that kind of passion, and you know, I definitely believe

502
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 2: that's what contributed to him having a Hall of Fame career.

503
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: In my opinion, we all got to witness that year,

504
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: not just the excellence of Kurt, but Larry Fitzgerald and

505
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: the incredible run, the unprecedented run that he had all

506
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: the way through the Super Bowl in terms of catches

507
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 1: and receiving yards and touchdowns. What he had done had

508
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: not been done prior to that. And I'm just curious,

509
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: do you think back to was there a moment or

510
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 1: a game or situation where you remember Larry taking that

511
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: next step? Because before you guys arrived, I mean, we

512
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: knew Larry was good. He was obviously very talented, and

513
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: he had accomplished a lot at a young age. But

514
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 1: he was twenty when he came into the NFL. He

515
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: still had and he would tell you a lot to learn.

516
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: Do you remember when it flipped when things changed for fits?

517
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know when he came up to me and

518
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 2: he slipped me a little cash and said, look, every

519
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 2: time you get me the ball, I'm going to give

520
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 2: you some money, it kind of flipped and we started

521
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 2: throwing it to him. So no, you know, I think

522
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 2: that obviously, it's easy to say the Charlotte the game

523
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 2: in against Carolina and Charlotte, the playoff game where he

524
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: had he just he carried the whole team. He broke

525
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 2: out and you know he was a great player. But

526
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 2: in in that arena, you know, in the playoffs, in

527
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 2: front of a national audience, to see what, see him

528
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 2: just take the game over, I think was very indicative

529
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: of the kind of player he was. He worked for

530
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 2: a long time, always making catch his head, the greatest

531
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 2: hands I've ever seen, great job of anytime you threw

532
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 2: a ball up to him in the end zone, he

533
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 2: was going to get it. But here's the thing that

534
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 2: people don't know. Larry worked as tail offs. I mean

535
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 2: every day in practice. He would not miss the practice,

536
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: you know, and he was constantly working on getting better

537
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 2: and constantly asking you know, what do we got to

538
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 2: do and talking about different routes. And it's easy for

539
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 2: a quarterback to get comfortable with a guy whose catch

540
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 2: radius is so big, And obviously our quarterbacks did that

541
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 2: because Larry could catch any kind I remember fourth and

542
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 2: twenty against Dallas on I think it was Christmas. You know,

543
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 2: he made a play where we were out of the game.

544
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 2: We ended up winning it. So it was just over

545
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: and over and over that you saw Larry make plays

546
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: and just be a tremendous leader for us. So you

547
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 2: know he listen, he worked hard at it. That's the

548
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 2: thing that people don't know where that people don't see.

549
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 2: He wouldn't you couldn't get him out of practice, even

550
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 2: when he was banged up. Larry was going to go

551
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: out there and practice just because he felt like that's

552
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: what it was all about for him and how he

553
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 2: had to get better. So, you know, we're very lucky

554
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: that we had a chance to see Larry in his prime,

555
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 2: and you know he certainly helped us get the success

556
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: that we had. So tremendous amount of respect for him,

557
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: and I can't wait for him to get in the

558
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame, which I know he will because certainly deserved.

559
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: Kenny, just a few more, we'll let you go on.

560
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: I appreciate the time very much because I know you

561
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: got a lot to do to get ready for Michigan

562
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: in the college football playoffs. Is there a particular player

563
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: or players that you look back on the you took

564
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: great pride in seeing them develop. Either young guys that

565
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,959
Speaker 1: were here with you that went on to succeed, or

566
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: you know, veterans like Kurt that resurrected their careers here

567
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: with Arizona. Anybody particular that stands out in that regard

568
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: that brought you great joy to see them have success

569
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: because of either what they overcame or just your relationship

570
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: with them.

571
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: You know, that's a tough one just because there have

572
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: been so many of them, and you know, I've been

573
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: lucky to be around a lot of great players. I

574
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: think Steve Breston is a guy that I would remember

575
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 2: mentioning because we were playing Guy Seattle the last game

576
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: of the year and he ended up catching the ball

577
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: at the end of the game that gave him a

578
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 2: thousand yards for the year. And this was a kid

579
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: that we drafted in the fifth round that came in

580
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: that worked his ass off and then was you know,

581
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 2: one of those group of whenever you have three receivers

582
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 2: that all have over a thousand yards receiving, you know,

583
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 2: it's a pretty amazing accomplishment. Maybe not so much now,

584
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: but it was time and you know, to see a

585
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 2: young guy like him who did so much for us

586
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 2: as a special teamer, whether it was a returner, you know,

587
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: playing teams, you know, and then to see him have

588
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 2: a thousand yard season when nobody really expected it, especially

589
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 2: where he was drafted, it's pretty incredible, you know, shows

590
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: it shows what a good job our scouting department did

591
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 2: and drafting some of those players, which I think helped

592
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 2: set us up. And you know, he just won. There's

593
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 2: so many of them. I mean you it'd be easy

594
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: to say Larry Darnell Dockett, you know, a lot of

595
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: those guys like that. It would be very easy to

596
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 2: say that. But you know, I just remember how special

597
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 2: that was for him and what that meant, and that's

598
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 2: really what the game's all about, and that was really neat. Huh.

599
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: How much do you keep tabs on the Cardinals? And

600
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: I know obviously you're you're busy, particularly on Saturdays. I

601
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: don't know how much you know, you guys are watching

602
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: tape or just watching games on Sunday or a combination

603
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: of that. But do you keep tabs at all on

604
00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: how the Cardinals are doing these days?

605
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? I do. I try to watch him. You know,

606
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: I'm still a fan and I and I try to

607
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: watch it when I can. I don't. We don't get

608
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 2: a chance to watch many because Sunday's generally a pretty

609
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 2: busy day for us trying to get ready for the

610
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 2: next opponent. But I will definitely keep up with the

611
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 2: scores and you know what's going on and how they're

612
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: doing so because you know, just our time there was

613
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: so good, was so great. I mean, we were very

614
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: thankful for our time there, and you know, we certainly

615
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: miss Arizona, so but I don't you just just don't

616
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,479
Speaker 2: get a chance to really follow them as much as

617
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: you'd like to.

618
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: When you came here, the offense was different, a lot

619
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: of players had to adjust, and many did and excelled.

620
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: Larry was one of them. I'm just curious if you

621
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: would have any advice for a player like Kyler Murray

622
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: who's in a new offense. It's he's doing things he

623
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: had not done before, he's coming off an injury. How

624
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: challenging is that for a player that's had the success

625
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: that he's had, whether it's at Oklahoma winning a Heisman

626
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: Trophy or being in the Pro Bowl as a young

627
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: NFL player, to get adjusted to the newness of a

628
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: coaching staff, a new offense, a new philosophy and new culture.

629
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's hard to say because you don't

630
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: really have much. You know, it's hard to do it

631
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: from a distance, even you don't have the time to

632
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: invest in it. I know he's he's a talented player.

633
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: We scouted him coming out and thought he was thought

634
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 2: he was a really good player. He obviously is gifted

635
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 2: from the ability to be able to throw the ball

636
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: as well as you know, extend plays. So you know,

637
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: I just think that it's it's kind of out of

638
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: my area of expertise since I haven't really studied it

639
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,959
Speaker 2: to know. I just wish them all the best, you know,

640
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 2: just from the standpoint of it's tough. I mean, it's

641
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 2: a tough league and you got to you know, it's

642
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 2: tough to win games, and you just got to stick

643
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 2: to it, I guess is the best way to say it. Well,

644
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 2: we built it, you know, the first few we were

645
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: eight and eight, which was a big thing for us,

646
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: and and I think are you know, we just kind

647
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 2: of continued to grow and develop, which we could have

648
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 2: had done a little better in the latter part of it.

649
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: But you know, like I said, I can't really say

650
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 2: what you know. I respect him as a player, and

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Speaker 2: I know he's done some good things there and certainly

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Speaker 2: hope that they have a good, good end of the

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Speaker 2: season for him.

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Speaker 1: I know, probably the last thing you're focused on right

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Speaker 1: now is your future. I'm just curious. You know, you

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Speaker 1: think about and obviously you've accomplished a lot as a

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Speaker 1: head coach in the NFL, as an assistant coach in

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Speaker 1: the NFL as well. You think about you know, sark Lane, Kiffen,

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Speaker 1: Kirby Smart, their experience working with Nick Saban, and then

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Speaker 1: you know, becoming a head coach and a successful head coach. Uh,

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Speaker 1: have you thought it all beyond this year in terms of,

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Speaker 1: you know, what what's next for you, whether you're going

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Speaker 1: to stay and how much you enjoyed doing what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: Do you think at all about you know, getting back

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Speaker 1: into the NFL or you know, trying to be a

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Speaker 1: head coachach again, because you've done a lot of it already.

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Speaker 1: How much of that, you know, is something you think

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Speaker 1: about or you just kind of in the moment enjoying

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Speaker 1: what you're doing.

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Speaker 2: You know, I got the latter part of my career

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Speaker 2: in the NFL. I got pursued by a couple of

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Speaker 2: colleges to come in and play. In fact, actually got

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Speaker 2: offered a job with one of them, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I thought, well, this is intriguing. So I've spent the

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Speaker 2: last couple of years trying to see what it's all about.

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Speaker 2: And it was very fortunate that coach Franklin at Penn

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Speaker 2: State gave me an opportunity to come in there and

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Speaker 2: see that. And then, you know, obviously being here at

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Speaker 2: Alabama is incredible. Just being able to be around these

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Speaker 2: guys and see how they work and you know, be

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Speaker 2: able to contribute in whatever way I can. It's been cool,

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Speaker 2: but you know, it's also I think it's kind of

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of feeling like I'd like to get back

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Speaker 2: to the NFL maybe and experience some of those type

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Speaker 2: of things with the knowledge that I've gotten from being

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Speaker 2: in college ball. That could help. But you know, you

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Speaker 2: never know how those things work out. I'm very grateful

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Speaker 2: that I had opportunities, and you know, it's great to

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Speaker 2: feel wanted here, especially as a team with a team

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Speaker 2: that's you know, playing in the hit the playoffs. So

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Speaker 2: I guess I'm just gonna take it as it comes

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Speaker 2: for right now. But you know, very very grateful to

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Speaker 2: the Cardinals for giving me a chance to be a

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Speaker 2: head coach, and certainly very appreciative of what Michael and

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Speaker 2: everybody there did for us. So you know, I'll always

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Speaker 2: be a fan of the Cardinals, and I appreciate Dave,

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Speaker 2: you taking the time to speak to talk to me.

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Speaker 1: Well, absolutely, man, I and you know this. I think

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Speaker 1: the world of view is a person and also as

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Speaker 1: a coach. So whatever the next step is, whether it's

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Speaker 1: staying in Tuscaloosa or going elsewhere NFL head coach, in

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Speaker 1: college pros, whatever it may be, I hope it's what

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Speaker 1: you want and you get to continue to do what

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Speaker 1: you want. You've earned that and deserve it, and I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you taking the time to join me.

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Speaker 2: Well. I appreciate Dave as long as I get to

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Speaker 2: see you coming in here and just chopping us up

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Speaker 2: when we don't do right. I guess, I guess.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, that day that I had you guys was

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Speaker 1: a little scary too. That was Arkansas. They fought back.

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Speaker 1: That was a little bit of a scary game. But

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Speaker 1: Jalen Milroe made a great play at the end of

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Speaker 1: the game and it's kind of a neat to watch

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Speaker 1: his growth and progress. And I can't wait to watch

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Speaker 1: that game against Michigan. You got two blue chips, two

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Speaker 1: heavyweights going at it. And I personally, and I took

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Speaker 1: a lot of heat from this from my other ESPN colleagues.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not just saying this because you're sitting here

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Speaker 1: on the pod, but I thought you guys should have

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Speaker 1: been in ahead of Florida State. And people are still

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Speaker 1: mad at me for that, but I'm gonna stand by that,

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Speaker 1: and I would not be surprised at all if you're

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Speaker 1: hoisting that trophy in mid January.

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Speaker 2: That would be really cool. And I think we're just

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Speaker 2: we're grateful that we got in. You know, it was

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Speaker 2: a listen, it was tough after losing to Texas in

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Speaker 2: the second game. And I'm gonna tell you some playing

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Speaker 2: an SEC schedule is a tough thing. It's amazing to

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Speaker 2: me what coach Saban has done all these years and

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Speaker 2: winning these championships, because it's not easy. And you know,

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Speaker 2: we walked out on the field against Georgia in the

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Speaker 2: SEC Championship and you saw that team that had won

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Speaker 2: twenty nine twenty nine straight games. I think it was

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Speaker 2: you were just like, holy cow, this is a good

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Speaker 2: football team, so you know, to be able to go

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Speaker 2: through that and win it. I think it makes me

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Speaker 2: think a lot about us, even though I know Alabama

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Speaker 2: has been very successful. It made me think a lot

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Speaker 2: about us at the Cardinals, about we just played our

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Speaker 2: game and got to the spot now to see if

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Speaker 2: we can finish it. Well.

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Speaker 1: Good luck to you guys against Michigan and hopefully beyond

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Speaker 1: that in the championship game. And I know Cardinal fans

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Speaker 1: are grateful to hear from you and be able to

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Speaker 1: relive some of those great memories from ten to fifteen

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Speaker 1: years ago. So thanks again, Ken, appreciate the time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Dave. It's I appreciate the Cardinals fans every

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Speaker 2: time I'm in Arizona or you can't tell how many

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Speaker 2: times people come up and have said things to me,

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Speaker 2: and it means so much. So appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Man. That was fun. I hope for Cardinal fans out there,

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Speaker 1: it was great to relive so some of those memories

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Speaker 1: from hard to believe fifteen years ago when the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: made that a probable run to Super Bowl forty three.

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Speaker 1: Just hearing that story about Kurt Warner, It's not surprising

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Speaker 1: at all. It's what you'd expect from Kurt. And just

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Speaker 1: listening to Wiz's appreciation for his time here, his respect

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Speaker 1: for all the people that work here still with the organization,

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Speaker 1: shows the lasting impact that the team had on Wiz,

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Speaker 1: but also that Wiz had on the club with the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals and his role right now with Alabama, big part

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Speaker 1: of the staff there and with the Crimson Tide have

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Speaker 1: been able to accomplish making it to the College Football Playoff.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a great matchup against Michigan on

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Speaker 1: Thanks again to our guest, former Arizona Cardinals head coach

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Speaker 1: Ken Wizenhunt, and thanks to you for listening to another

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Speaker 1: edition of the Dave Pash podcast