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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Off live

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Speaker 1: right here on giants dot Com. I am John Schmalchie

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Speaker 1: Paul Theatino. The phone numbers two A, one nine, three,

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Speaker 1: nine four or five one three. You've had Lanson feedes

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Speaker 1: opensent up by Corps Life by the way, you had

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Speaker 1: Lanson Fiego's the last couple of days as Paul and

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Speaker 1: I've been out there a mini camp practice and mini

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Speaker 1: camp is over. The players and coaches actually are both

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Speaker 1: off today. The building is quite empty. There are some

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Speaker 1: players working out on their own, but they were free

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Speaker 1: to go home if they so desired. Uh four O

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Speaker 1: T A s remain next week, which would be Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,

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Speaker 1: and then the players will be gone until the week

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Speaker 1: of July. So, Paul, we got about four days of

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Speaker 1: spring practice left, but Mini camp is in the books

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Speaker 1: a week earlier than we've had it here traditionally. What

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Speaker 1: was your take, Well, I will tell you John the

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Speaker 1: one guy, and I'm glad that coach Sherman mentioned him

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Speaker 1: yesterday who showed the biggest improvement from the day he

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Speaker 1: first walked onto campus till this well upcoming break. Let's

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Speaker 1: just say it is Darius Slayton. I mean, there's no

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Speaker 1: question in my mind when he first got here during

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Speaker 1: the rookie minicamp, he did have drops these issues, and

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Speaker 1: we knew that coming at Auburn, a guy who you know,

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Speaker 1: ran sub four four and had twenty yards to catch

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Speaker 1: when he was with the Tigers. That's great, okay, and

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Speaker 1: he's six too, so he's got some size. But but

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Speaker 1: he gets to campus in the rookie mini camp and

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Speaker 1: he's just having trouble holding onto the ball, dropping everything,

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Speaker 1: and look, we all saw it, and we're all like

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Speaker 1: looking at this and saying, well, something's not right here.

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Speaker 1: You know the reason he was a sixth round pick,

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Speaker 1: I mean fifth round pick. Sorry. So anyway, long story

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Speaker 1: short is that I decided, okay, I got to really

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Speaker 1: put my eyes on this guy because this didn't start

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Speaker 1: so well well, John, as the days went on, and

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Speaker 1: then as they had continued O t s and then

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Speaker 1: they had the veteran minicamp this week, you know what,

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Speaker 1: Now he's at the level, will you say, okay, this

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Speaker 1: this guy fits in. At first, he didn't fit in.

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Speaker 1: He stuck out like a sore thought. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: drops are always gonna look bad. For a receiver, and

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Speaker 1: obviously in practices with no contact, there's no reason to

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Speaker 1: have drops, to be looking up and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it was disturbing. But then as it's gone along,

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Speaker 1: the drops of decreased in frequency, and now they've all

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Speaker 1: but disappeared. We've even seen many in the last week

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Speaker 1: or so a practice, and his speed allows him to separate.

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Speaker 1: As a route runner, he's still making progress. Auburn was

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Speaker 1: not a traditional NFL offense by any means, so he

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Speaker 1: does not have that full rout tree. They're working on

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Speaker 1: that with him, but and we're not in the classroom.

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Speaker 1: We don't know how he's handling things mentally, and you know,

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Speaker 1: mental very things like that's hard for us to see

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Speaker 1: that a training camp. But I do know he's fast

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Speaker 1: enough and quick enough to get separation. He's catching passes short,

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Speaker 1: intermediate and deep levels of the field, and he's finishing

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Speaker 1: plays now, so I agree. I think of all the

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Speaker 1: guys that have been here, he's making the biggest chow,

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Speaker 1: he has made the biggest jump. Now. You know what's interesting.

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Speaker 1: You know how I feel about the receiver's room. I

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Speaker 1: have always said, well, you know what, there are two

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Speaker 1: qualities here that we're not sure that they have. We

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Speaker 1: don't know for sure if they've got the skyscraper. And

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Speaker 1: at this moment, I mean, the tallest guy amongst the receivers.

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Speaker 1: I guess there's Alonzo Russell and there's Reggie White, the

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Speaker 1: tallest receivers who are here in camp. I don't know

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Speaker 1: that either one of those guys is going to make

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Speaker 1: the three. Okay, So it's possible that either Slayton or

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Speaker 1: Latimer might wind up being the tallest receivers on the

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Speaker 1: team by the time they opened the season, right, Okay,

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I don't think it's a guarantee.

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Speaker 1: I'd be surprised, but I wouldn't call it a guarantee.

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Speaker 1: Slaton's on the fifty three. I'm not saying that it

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Speaker 1: So you know, that's something that's still i'd like to see.

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Speaker 1: But they may not have one by the time the

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Speaker 1: other thing that we weren't sure of because you weren't

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Speaker 1: Corey Coleman either. We didn't know that he would make

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Speaker 1: this team as a receiver. We know he's a hell

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning the other day said that Coleman admitted to

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Speaker 1: as much. But last year, coming in during the middle

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Speaker 1: here's my thing, at least right now, I'm thinking, between

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Speaker 1: So it's kind of nice. And you get the Lattimer

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Speaker 1: the little I think. I think he's six one but

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Speaker 1: he's very thick. He's one of those guys that kind

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Speaker 1: of wins to power a little bit. But to twelve,

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Speaker 1: because I was gonna say, did I leave him out

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Speaker 1: when I said one of the taller guys in the room. Okay,

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Speaker 1: But to me, he kind of is that. He's not

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Speaker 1: had a pretty good camp too. So yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: once you get past Shepherd and Tate, you're looking at Slayton, Coleman, Lattimer, Fouler.

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Speaker 1: Who else would you put that Russell Shepherd to me?

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Speaker 1: he made some places at the end of the last season,

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Speaker 1: you know what, John, many years I say to you,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking five six might be a little bit of

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Speaker 1: about it to me? And we talked about Baker before

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Speaker 1: He was somebody that when he played his best football

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Speaker 1: at Georgia, he won with press coverage and being physical. Well,

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Speaker 1: I was worried about that because Baker, when he can't

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Speaker 1: and he's up and he's down. He's up and down.

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Speaker 1: He's you know, mercurial and you know things like that.

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Speaker 1: those type of characteristics. Well, when you consider the fact

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Speaker 1: earn meaningful snaps on the fifty three. Now, at the

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Speaker 1: same time, John, we just said maybe keep six receivers.

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Speaker 1: I might wind up keeping an extra corner too, and

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Speaker 1: maybe taking one less safety, and I might have to

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Speaker 1: the quantity of quality prospects in the corner room. Let's

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Speaker 1: say you're gonna have Jenkins, Baker's not going anywhere, Beal's

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Speaker 1: not going anywhere. That's three that you know we're gonna

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Speaker 1: be there. I figure Helly and Lover are both gonna

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Speaker 1: make the roster, right, So that's five. Valentine and somebody

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Speaker 1: they like enough. I think he's probably gonna be said,

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Speaker 1: do you keep a seventh? Well, I'm saying, is you

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Speaker 1: keep six and then only three safeties? Well? Safety, you know,

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Speaker 1: you're obviously gonna have Peppers and the they on the roster,

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Speaker 1: and you know Michael Thomas is gonna be there. You

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Speaker 1: could get the ten dbs if you wanted to, if

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Speaker 1: you don't keep a ton of linebackers. See, I don't

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Speaker 1: know that I would go ten. I think I go

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Speaker 1: nine and make it a sick three split instead of

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Speaker 1: go six corners. As might think Julian Love can help

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Speaker 1: doing things he's not expecting. That's another thing. And I

427
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Speaker 1: talked to Mike Schoe about this the other day and

428
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:18,719
Speaker 1: I asked him, you know, what's the next step for him?

429
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,720
Speaker 1: He goes. He want to get him in games, not

430
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Speaker 1: only because you want to see him play against the

431
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Speaker 1: pass rush, but you also want to see him go

432
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 1: against different defensive schemes because at this point, the Giants

433
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 1: offense knows what the Giants defense is gonna show him.

434
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Speaker 1: They're not gonna surprise him a whole lot of stuff.

435
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 1: They're seeing the same stuff every day, right, So the

436
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 1: next step for me with Daniel Jones training camp is

437
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 1: gonna be great whatever, but for quarterbacks is not gonna

438
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 1: be much different than what we see in the spring.

439
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,399
Speaker 1: It's time to see him in some preseason games to

440
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 1: see how he does under fire. You know, there were

441
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 1: questions that, yeah, yeah, go ahead, Um, does he have

442
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 1: the mental makeup? Yes, I don't think that's a question. Yeah,

443
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,920
Speaker 1: I agree with John on that that's but I think

444
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 1: everybody knew that going in is a mental and emotional

445
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 1: state of mind is exemplary. I would say this, there

446
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 1: are questions that we're never gonna be able to answer

447
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 1: until he gets into preseason games. And even then, it's

448
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 1: still preseason games. It's not the complete package. It's still

449
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,359
Speaker 1: only like a half a test. Is the defense THO

450
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 1: haven't showing you everything that stuff correct, and he'd be

451
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 1: going against third, but at least that will be something substantial.

452
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 1: And and that we lost and those two and those

453
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,919
Speaker 1: those questions just can't be answered now. But here's what

454
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 1: I will say. You asked me, what do I think

455
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 1: about him now compared to what I saw when I

456
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Speaker 1: looked at tape on him. The one thing John that

457
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,439
Speaker 1: I could not tell on tape. I could not tell

458
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,479
Speaker 1: about wind conditions. I can't tell that on tape. When

459
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: I'm watching a clip, I can't necessarily tell I. You know, okay,

460
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,640
Speaker 1: it looks like it was it was a rainy day,

461
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: they had whatever. And he did have one bad weather

462
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 1: game last year. He was not very good that one. No, no,

463
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 1: it was not at all right. But there was not

464
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: enough a body of work I could tell climate conditions

465
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: and say, well, how's this guy's arm strength gonna do

466
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 1: and how is he going to be affected by nasty climate?

467
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,719
Speaker 1: I really can't can't do that from what I'm seeing,

468
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 1: very small sample size. The one Randy game, You're right,

469
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,919
Speaker 1: he did not do well. So for me, one of

470
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Speaker 1: the tests that I wanted to see Daniel Jones have

471
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 1: to deal with was going to be the tough weather

472
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Speaker 1: that we have here in North Jersey, especially in November

473
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Speaker 1: and December. We're not going to know that answer until

474
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 1: he gets to that point. But here's what we do know.

475
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 1: He did have a couple of practices in the rain

476
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Speaker 1: here so far. One was light rain, one was a

477
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,360
Speaker 1: little bit heavier, and he threw the ball. Fine. Yeah,

478
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 1: he was fine. I saw no problems. We also saw

479
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: as practices went on during these O T A s

480
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 1: there were some windy days actually earlier, you know, and

481
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Speaker 1: and what I thought there was more later than earlier,

482
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 1: but in the middle maybe whatever. Here's the point. There

483
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: were a few and he did fine. I did not

484
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 1: see any signs of his passes wobbling, dying. Um. Now

485
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: he he throws a nice tight spiral. He does, he doesn't,

486
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 1: he doesn't have Frankly, he throws about a spiral off

487
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,479
Speaker 1: any like? Does he does? There's absolutely no question about that.

488
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: And so that to me, while a little test or

489
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: a little quiz so to speak, he passed it, and

490
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: that's that's good. So that's something that I can honestly

491
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 1: tell you I felt very ignorant about, even after looking

492
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 1: at video on him that I learned about him by

493
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: watching in person on this field. Is that fair? So

494
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: I know you're getting more concerned with arm strength than

495
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: I do because of the northeast. What's what's been your

496
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: role taking terms of his arm strength making all the

497
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 1: throws and things like that. I think it's been I

498
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: think it's been fine. You know, my dad asked me

499
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: the other day, and it was funny because my dad knows,

500
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 1: you know, how I feel about Eli Manning and how

501
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: I felt about Phil Sims. And he said, so what

502
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 1: do you what do you think about the the arm

503
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: because everyone said so much about it. And I said, well, Dad,

504
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: Carrie Collins had the best arm that I've ever seen

505
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: in giants history, I mean, much better than Sims. The

506
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 1: Sims had a cannon. No no, no, no, no no.

507
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: Carrie Collins had a cannon and and and I will

508
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: never waver off of that. Carrie had an absolute rifle

509
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: and he could he could throw with mustard, even the

510
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: seventy yard bomb. I mean he had he had some

511
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Speaker 1: real gas behind that throw. So that's the best starm

512
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: I'd ever seen. Phil had a very good arm. Okay,

513
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: Eli has a terrific arm in terms of distance. He

514
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: can throw the deep ball seventy yards, but it won't

515
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: have as much mustard on it. You though Sims had

516
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: a better arm than Eli. Well, Sims couldn't could put

517
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: more juice on it. That's the difference because when you

518
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 1: say what, when people say better arm, he so basically

519
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 1: you're telling me on a twenty yard out Eli Strow

520
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: is gonna have a little bit more arc on it

521
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: than Simms is gonna have. Simm's is going to be

522
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,959
Speaker 1: more of a straight line. Yeah, Okay, got it. And

523
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: that and that's the thing, because when you talk about

524
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Speaker 1: who's got the better arm, are we talking about the

525
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: ability to make a seventy yard bomb? Are we talking

526
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: about having to throw a twenty yard out on a rope?

527
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: Right there? There are differences and and see, and that's

528
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: the thing. Carry had mustard on the ball no matter

529
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Speaker 1: how long he threw it. He had mustard on every

530
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: single throw. He also I touched too, but if he

531
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: needed mustard, he could put it on any throw in

532
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: the entire rout try. That's what made his arm the

533
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: best arm I've ever seen in my thirty seven years.

534
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: I think Davis Webb had a terrific arm, and probably

535
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: a better arm than Daniel Jones. Absolutely, okay, I agree

536
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: with that. Um. I think Sims had a terrific arm.

537
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: I think Eli has a terrific arm for his depth.

538
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 1: Doesn't have as much juice as those other guys did

539
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 1: on the to your honor, but throws a really you know,

540
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 1: strong ball. I think Daniel Jones is right there underneath

541
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: those guys. Feel free to disagree with me, and I'm

542
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: sure you will maybe not. I don't think Eli has

543
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: been as sharp this spring as he has been the

544
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: last couple of years. I think more balls have hit

545
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: the ground than I don't see a step back in

546
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: the physical ability. I just have seen him miss more throws.

547
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: That's just my take. I see, I think I did

548
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: disagree with me, But that's that. Well, here's like like

549
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: for example, if you like looked at his raw completion

550
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: percentage and practice, it's not very good. I think it's

551
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot lower than it has been the

552
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: last couple Now, see, this is why I'm not going

553
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 1: to disagree with you, because I think if you had

554
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 1: cataloged every one of his stats in practice this year,

555
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 1: his numbers would be down. But here's where I'm gonna

556
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: put a little as stress there. I think he's had

557
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: more passes the ended this spring then he has necessarily

558
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 1: thrown on catchable balls. Okay, I can see that, so

559
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: you know, and that's why it's funny. I I've had this.

560
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to say dispute, but there have been

561
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: people on Twitter. Right, you can go to dispute. It's okay, No, no,

562
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: it's not really dispute. It's a clarification. You are very disputable.

563
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: I can be. There have been some some practices that

564
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: the media has seen, and some of the writers have

565
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: put things up on Twitter. Eli's oh for four and

566
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: or one for four and the seven on seven or

567
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: one for four in the eleven on eleven or whatever

568
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: it is, and he's not throwing the ball. Well, Eli

569
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: only completed one ball. Okay, But here's the problem, and

570
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: I've had I've tried to explain this to a few

571
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: people who have questioned why there's a variety of opinions

572
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: on a manning practice. Well, because here's the thing. If

573
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: I see that Eli has thrown four catchable balls, but

574
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: only one was completed because the receiver dropped one, because

575
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: the receiver maybe didn't make an effort on another, and

576
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: because maybe on the other end complete asian, the defensive

577
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: back made an outstanding play to not get out of

578
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: the receiver's hands. Well, so maybe Eli's over four, but

579
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: he threw four catchable balls that were in the box.

580
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: See to me, that's a good practice with that, and

581
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: that's where the problem is. So I'm with you. I

582
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: think Eli's stats if you kept him during practice would

583
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: be lower, but I don't necessarily think that means he

584
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: has been less efficient in terms of the quality of

585
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: his throwes. I honestly I would have to go back

586
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: and take a closer look at my notes on that.

587
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's fair and and that's how I've tried

588
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: to explain it to some of the folks who have

589
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: tweeted me about it. Two five, one three. Back to

590
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: the phone. Let's go to Mike in Atlanta. Mike, what's up? Hi, guys,

591
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: how are you? What's up? Mike? I just wanted to

592
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: get your take or opinion on starting to think about

593
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: trading Evan Ingram, And I'll tell you why. You guys.

594
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: You guys touched upon this before. Hear me out. You

595
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: touched upon this before, and it's really apparent now that

596
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: this is Barkley's team, and you start to ask the question,

597
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: with Ingram's telt history he missed the minicamp again this week,

598
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: whether there really is a place on this team anymore

599
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: for two thirty five pounds tight end who simply can't block,

600
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: and whether we should really be starting to look at

601
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: trading him now. While he's got maximum value, and really

602
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: make this about a team in Barkley's image. It's no,

603
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: it's not basketball on grass anymore. This is about hog

604
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: Molly's running the ball effectively. We got c J. Conrad, Now,

605
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: who I know, he hasn't put the pads on yet,

606
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: but if you watch the tapes he played in the

607
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: SEC conferences, Ingram, Look, I happen to like c. J. Conrad.

608
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: He's my dark horse, so you don't have to sell me.

609
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: But I gotta make something very clear to you, and

610
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: then I want John to take over on this one.

611
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: Very simply put. Okay, even if you wanted to, if

612
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: you did not believe that Ingram was going to be

613
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: part of the playbook and the game plan, which I

614
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: happen to totally disagree with you, I think he's gonna

615
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: be a very big part. He was really important to

616
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: the last four games last year. So so that premise,

617
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: I look, I'm not even gonna argue that with you,

618
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: because you're clearly on the other side of the world

619
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: on that one. But here's the problem. Even if I

620
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: were to buy that, you can't tell me that he

621
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: is at his max value right now because he has

622
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: yet to play a full, healthy, sixteen game season, and

623
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: even now he's missed some time during the spring. So no,

624
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram is not at max value because he has

625
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: yet to prove he can go out there for sixteen

626
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: games and fulfill the potential that he had as a

627
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: first round draft pick. He hasn't done it yet, So

628
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: you're comment about him being at max value is also

629
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: very well on the other side of the world, I

630
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: don't know where you're coming from. Like, what I'll say

631
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: is this, if the Giants have reason to be leave

632
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: and I have don't think they do, that he will

633
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: be perpetually injured and never be able to get be

634
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: relied upon, then yeah, I get it, you move him.

635
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: I don't sense that's the case. And I really think

636
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: that Evan Ingram is necessary in this offense right now

637
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: because when you trade onto Beckham Jr. Even if you

638
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: want to run the football and do those sorts of things,

639
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: you need guys that can win one on one. And

640
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: I almost have more faith in Ingram winning his one

641
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: on ones against linebackers and safeties than I do the

642
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: wide receivers winning their one on ones against cornerbacks. So

643
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: I think he's one of your very important mismatches in

644
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: the passing game, which even if you do want to

645
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: run the football and make that the big part of

646
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: your offense, which I get and they are going to

647
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: try to do that, you need guys to be able

648
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: to win those one on one matchups, and I really

649
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: think Evan Ingram can excel with that, and I think

650
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a huge part of what they do

651
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: this year. Okay, well, let's look at this from the

652
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: other point. This time next year, you have to exercise

653
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: the fifty year option on him. He's gonna be in

654
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: his fourth year. With the economics coming up, Barkley is

655
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: gonna be probably the first twenty million dollar running back

656
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Can you afford to keep a guy

657
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: like Evan Ingram on the roster two years from now

658
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: when you're gonna have to pay Barkley? I mean, when

659
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: you start to basically say to yourself, I have to

660
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: look at this for the season and I have to

661
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: decide where this guy is in my plans two years

662
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: from now and whether I should move him now. Mike,

663
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: who else are you paying? You're gonna be on a

664
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback contract? All right? So you're not gonna be

665
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,959
Speaker 1: paying Daniel Jones. Strong Shepherd is a moderate contract. Golden

666
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: Tate might not be here in two more years. Who

667
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: on defense are you giving a huge contract to in

668
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,479
Speaker 1: the next three or four seasons. I don't think you're

669
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: giving anybody a monster contract. So to me, yeah, okay,

670
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: maybe one guy, but the safety and he's a safety

671
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: and he's a safety, so that that's not gonna be

672
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,959
Speaker 1: a monster deal. And the salary cap by that time

673
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: is gonna be over two llion dollars, So I don't

674
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: I don't think there's Honestly, I don't think the giants

675
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: right now have to do make any decisions or move

676
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: based on the future salary can now you don't want

677
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: to go and over pay people that don't deserve it. No,

678
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: But I don't think you should look two or three

679
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: years ahead and anticipate not being able to pay a

680
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: guy and make a move now, because if you get

681
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: things it this way, If you trade Evningram now, you're

682
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: not getting better than a second or third round pick

683
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 1: at best. Okay, You're just not. So if you get

684
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: there and you decide you can't pay Evan Ingram, but

685
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: another team is gonna gave a lot of money. He's

686
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: a good player. Let him sign somewhere else and you

687
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: get a competitory pick back. Ye. John could not be

688
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: more right. And besides, your logic is completely flawed because

689
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: you are making what's gonna happen after the CBA expires

690
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: in twenty it's a good point to I mean, for

691
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 1: goodness sakes, for they might even be fifth year options

692
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: after that. We have no clue. I mean, we're even

693
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: here in rumblings. Now, We're okay, sides are talking, But

694
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: the CBA is gonna expire at the end of Anybody

695
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: who sits at a table, or in front of a

696
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: microphone or in front of a typewriter and says to

697
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,959
Speaker 1: you they know exactly how the salary cap is gonna

698
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: work and what the rules of the game are gonna

699
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: be regarding free agency, one is out of their minds

700
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: or lying to you. Nobody knows what happens when these

701
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: two sides get to the negotiating table to try to

702
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: find a new labor agreement. Nobody knows. It's anything could happen.

703
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: Eighteen games schedule, elimination of a preseason games, changing the

704
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: fifth year option rule, changing the salary cap number, changing

705
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: the in the in the guarantee in terms of guaranteed contracts,

706
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: you know how many variables could change after the season

707
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: or season. So so yeah, he's three years away from

708
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: from potential free agency. At three pieces of core philosophy

709
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: and his point, and all three of them were totally

710
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: based in quicksil. I I appreciate people looking forward and

711
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: trying to take care of the cap down the road,

712
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: and I think it's important to do that. But I

713
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: don't even know what's gonna be a guy. When the

714
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: guy has been the league for two years, you don't

715
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 1: worry about that. I mean, do you think the I

716
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 1: mean think of an example. I mean, I think Stoning

717
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: Shepherd was the first player from his draft class to

718
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: even get a contract extension, and he was a year

719
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: before Ingram. So I'm not worried about Evan Ingram. Yet

720
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: you know, there was the same group of people that

721
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: last year like, oh we should trade Stoning Shepherd. Is

722
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: We're never gonna be resigned because of odubt. No, But

723
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: that's the point. You don't know. So many things can

724
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: change between now and you know who. I mean, I'm

725
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: not gonna say things that could happen that are bad,

726
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: but you just don't know. And by the way, you

727
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: just don't know. Is still one of the younger guys

728
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: on this team who they're hoping to build around as

729
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: they continue this reconstruction. So why would you offer him

730
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: when this is a team that's supposedly got the up

731
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: and this team needs him, Paul, they need guys in

732
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: the passing game to wait. Whoa, Hey, I'm glad you called.

733
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: I hope we set you straight. I was a little

734
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: pat I know that's okay. Feeling about this? Helleujah losing

735
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: his mind? I am happy. Hello, Charlie, how are you?

736
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: What's hello? Charlie. I'm gonna campaign for John to at

737
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: least put that away, because here's the thing. Is he

738
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: making too many good No, no, no, no, no, he's

739
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: been better, he's been better. But most of all, most

740
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: of all, the Giants have reconstructed their offensive line to

741
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: a point where we all believe it's going to be

742
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: to Charlie satisfaction. Therefore, well, until he's not going to

743
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 1: be coming from Mars anymore, until he is, until Charlie

744
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: declares to me he is outis five. It's not going away,

745
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: all right, We're getting that, Charlie, right, Yeah, we are.

746
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: We're getting there slowly. Hey, I got a quiet just

747
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: about I just this is perfect. This is a good

748
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: lead in because remember remember last year I think it was, Yeah,

749
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: it was last year. Remember when Halapio and um the

750
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: CFL guy was right and then what happened. We ended

751
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: up Helpio got it and we traded. We thought that

752
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: guy was going to stay on the team be the

753
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: backup center, right, but it didn't happen. And I think

754
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: the same thing might happen with Pulley and Halipeo. Is

755
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: Halipeo ends up being the center. I think they might

756
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: trade Pulley and if they think that Brown or O'Hagan

757
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: it can take that backup position, that Pulley will be gone.

758
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: I don't think that's impossible. I mean, I think anything's open.

759
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: But I would also add to you that they went

760
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: out of their way to resign Spencer Polly during this

761
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: all season, and they paid him. They paid him a

762
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: decent amount of money and they also instructed him, and

763
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: he did it. He got bigger and stronger, and I

764
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: think they believe he could also be their backup guard.

765
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: I don't think they saw Brett Jones as a guard

766
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: necessarily quite as much as they do Polly in my opinion,

767
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: So I think Jolie, they feel more comfortable with him

768
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: as being that swing guard. They feel very good about Polly.

769
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: How Hunter in particular said to me, we can't lose

770
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: with the two centers that we have because either one

771
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: of them is going to be the sixth offensive lineman. Right,

772
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: all right, but I mean, I just don't be surprised

773
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: at that. I'm not saying it's going to but if

774
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: a team calls up and starts offen youh fifth or

775
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,439
Speaker 1: round pick phone of these guys, or sixth round pick,

776
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: and you know, you think that Evan Brown isn't that

777
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: much different than Spencer Polly. If you're the Giant coaching staff,

778
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: then you should do a trade like that. Charlie. Just

779
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: remember one thing. Okay, po is coming off a significant

780
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: injury early last year, and until they have contact and

781
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: he's actually got to put weight on it and push

782
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: off of it, you know that leg may or may

783
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: not hold up through the rigors of camp in the preseason.

784
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: And quite frankly, if you're the Giants, even if he

785
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: beats out Pulley, and if it were me. I loved

786
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: what I saw out of Pulley the last two months

787
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: of last season. I made that clear to you, I

788
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: think that Pully should be the starter. But having said that,

789
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: how do you know that that that po is going

790
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: to get through a sixteen game regular season coming off

791
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: of what he's coming off of? That leg was serious?

792
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: So I think one of the other reasons the Giants

793
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: made their their their wallet open for Pulley was because

794
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 1: they wanted to make sure that they could be covered

795
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: for sixteen games where a guy they feel good about. Yeah,

796
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I agree with I think Pulley should be

797
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: the center since he has played center in Helopio has

798
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: only played two games in Helipa is a better guard

799
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: than Pully, So I mean, to me, it makes sense.

800
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 1: But who you know, who knows what this organization and

801
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: what they've done was awesome of lines, here's the good news.

802
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: Charlie and I talked to how Hunter about it, and

803
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: he was very direct when he said to me, we're

804
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: gonna give both guys reps with the number ones when

805
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: we get the training camp and in the preseason, and

806
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,959
Speaker 1: the guy who wins the job is going to earn

807
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: it and I want to make sure that both of

808
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: them get a fair shot at it, because we want

809
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: to make the right decision. And I think that's important. Yeah,

810
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:26,959
Speaker 1: and you know, the thing that you know that that's

811
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: really disappointing to me is that we finally are going

812
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: to have an offensive line that that is actually going

813
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: to give Eli more time. And what a shame that

814
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: O'Dell isn't on this team that now that Eli is

815
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: going to have an extra second or second and a half,

816
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: that we could have seen what they could have done

817
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: with an offensive line in O'Dell having that extra second

818
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: and a half or two seconds to get open and

819
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: Eli having the time to throw it to him. What

820
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: those guys hold on a second now, remember or okay,

821
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: remember it was the full combination of the deal. And

822
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna tell me that Vernon was really

823
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: the Zeittler deal, but to be honest to I and

824
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: I get that, and I get that, but ultimately, you know,

825
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: I suspect that the Giants, the Giants would not be

826
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: in the place that they're at right now as a

827
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: team if they had not made the O'Dell trade. Yeah,

828
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: you know, I hear what you're saying. You know, because

829
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: remember something the cap the cap, and even though they

830
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: took a big hit on dead money with O'Dell, they

831
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: they still had to find some money to pay remers.

832
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: They still had to absorb Zeitler's contract paid. They still

833
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: had that. You know, so I get it. I I

834
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: appreciate the thought, but I think in retrospect, if you

835
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: weigh it out and chew on it, you're gonna be

836
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: okay with it. Yeah, and they are not going to

837
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: be some really hard cards at cornerback and wide receiver.

838
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: I was just looking at it and like, there's gonna

839
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: be some good players are gonna be cut, or maybe

840
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 1: they're gotta put a lot of these brookies on on

841
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: on the practice squad and hope they don't get grabbed.

842
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: But um, there's a lot of guys. And I still

843
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: think Tony the Lip is going to make the team,

844
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: and uh, do you need another veteran back there? And

845
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: he's got more time than a lot of these younger guys.

846
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: So we'll have to see how it all plays out.

847
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: But thank you, Charlie. Okay, guys, have a great weekend.

848
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,240
Speaker 1: If you're looking at my veteran corner, I think Antonio

849
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: Hamilton's would be the guy, given what he did on

850
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 1: specials last year as a gunner. Yeah, I totally agree

851
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: with that, Charlie. I hate to say this, Um Lou

852
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: out of the room, the dB coach who was here

853
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: last year. You know, he has since left in DC

854
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 1: for the Bengals. Yeah, become a d c um. I'm

855
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: surprised that he didn't try to grab lipp It and

856
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 1: bring him over to Cincinnati. Maybe he did. I don't

857
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: know the answer. That he might wind up there eventually,

858
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: who knows, But but I know that his connection to

859
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 1: him with the Dolphins was originally the reason that Lippitt

860
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: was brought he year. And you know, I get the

861
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: fact that the Giants when they brought him in designed

862
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: him to be a red shirt, that they were going

863
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: to give him more of a chance this season. But

864
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: right now, with the young and very talented guys ahead

865
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: of him in that room, you know, I would find

866
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: it very very difficult for him to make this fifty

867
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: three very very difficult. And I think I'm being fair John,

868
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: I agree, that's an uphill battle for him. I agree, folks,

869
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: you have from them open lines at two five one three,

870
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: hashtag Giants chat. We'll take a lot more calls if

871
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: they come in before the top of the hour when

872
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: we say goodbye or the bottom. Yeah, top of the

873
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: hour should say. But the meantime, let's take some tweets.

874
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: It's time for tweets. Let's giants chat, all right, here

875
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: we go, Paul. This one from Ted Crumb at the Gentsman.

876
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: Did the Giants change the way they did scouting? At

877
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 1: least in what qualities they looked at when Gettleman took over.

878
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: It seems like it departs from how they scattered prior

879
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: to his arrival. Well, I could tell you, Ted, exactly

880
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: what they did change. They changed how the scouting department

881
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: was structured. For one, they changed some personnel in the

882
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: scouting department. Number two, for the people that remain, they

883
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: changed their positions and exactly what their responsibilities were shifted.

884
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: They changed how they did the board and did their grading,

885
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: whether or not they told their scouts or I mean,

886
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: I know, Dave Gentleman makes you know the final decisions

887
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: on where guys are and where they're graded, Um, what

888
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: traits to take into more heavy consideration. I can't tell you,

889
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 1: but my without having an actual answer, my impression from

890
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: watching this reshime draft versus watching the previous regime draft

891
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: is that the previous regime very often was more interested

892
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: in athletic skills than football skills. Oh, I don't think

893
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: there's any question about that. I did answer a fellow

894
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: already back on Twitter that the Giants nowadays and this

895
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 1: actually happened in the last year of Jerry Reese's regime,

896
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 1: when John Murray came out during the previous offseason and said,

897
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: we're not going to take as many gambles and risks.

898
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: And that was when they drafted all the team captains.

899
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at the Giants second and

900
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,439
Speaker 1: third round picks, the reasons so many of them haven't

901
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: worked out. They're picking injury rest, they're picking guys that

902
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: have bad histories and they don't work out, and guys

903
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,959
Speaker 1: who were more or athletes than football players. Okay, so

904
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: you know that last year that that Jerry Reese was here,

905
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: they had already started to change that. Okay, we're not

906
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: gonna gamble as much, We're not going to take as

907
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: many risks, We're not going to take as many of

908
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: these underwear athletes, Guys who are you know, kicking butts

909
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: at the combine and doing great pro days. We're gonna

910
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: start taking guys who were solid, you know, down at home,

911
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 1: true you know, blue blooded heart football players, and and

912
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,479
Speaker 1: that's that kind of started a little bit. People Jerry

913
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: love to play football, you know what I mean, and

914
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: just love it. And I think they do it, do it,

915
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: do it with a smile. Is a is a is

916
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: a is a bad cliche, but love it. It's part

917
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: of them. We used to have a term some years ago,

918
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: earlier when I was in this business called slabber knockers,

919
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,959
Speaker 1: and those were the guys, the real lunch pale guys,

920
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: the blue collar guys who just wanted to play football.

921
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: They didn't care if it was a hurricane or a

922
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: tornado outside, and they just wanted to pay. By the way,

923
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 1: is one of those guys. Yeah, yeah, So slabber knockers.

924
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring it out of the woodwork. Okay, I

925
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: haven't used that term in a long time, but I'm

926
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: gonna bring it out of the woodwork from from earlier

927
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: decades ago. They're drafting more slobber knockers now, more so

928
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 1: than ever. In fact, it's almost to the point where

929
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: under Dave Gentleman if you're not a slobber knocker, I

930
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: don't think you get drafted. Yeah, I think that's part

931
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: of it for sure. So all right, we gotta come.

932
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: More calls up. I will get you before the end

933
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 1: of the show. I want to do one more tweet

934
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: Anthony at Y Football. I n I see your other

935
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: tweet about your top ten players. I'll get to that

936
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: next week. I'll get to this one for now, though,

937
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: since I have some more calls, I want to get

938
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,240
Speaker 1: to who are the most who are you most intrigued

939
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 1: to see a training camp non starters and why? And

940
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: what will be the toughest position decisions to make? Well.

941
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: I think we talked about the positions already, especially at

942
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: dB and wide receiver. UM, I think that's gonna be rough.

943
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 1: I think the end of the D line depth chart

944
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: might be a little bit tough too, with r J

945
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: McIntosh in there and some of these other guys and

946
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: thinkybe that could be a challenge players are most intrigued

947
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: to say. I mean, I've seen so much wide receiver

948
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 1: cornerback stuff. I'd like to see DeAndre Baker when he

949
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: can play press man. I'd like to see O'Shane Zimmenez

950
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: going against padded guys with full contact. If I had

951
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: to pick one guy would probably be him, and I

952
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: toil Lorenzo Quarter into the mix for that too. It

953
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: because look, when you get the training camp, folks, I'm

954
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: you know, in years past, I wanted to see if

955
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: the Giants offensive lineman can block their defensive ends. Now

956
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: I want to see can the Giants edge rushers beat

957
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: the John's offensive tackles. I want to see Lorenzo car

958
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: To go up against Nates Solder and Pads. I want

959
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 1: to see Oshane Zimmenezes go up against you know, Rembers

960
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: and Pads. I want to see if they can win

961
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: those battles. Because if they're not winning in one on

962
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: ones in training camp when they have every advantage, they're

963
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 1: probably not gonna win in games during the regular season.

964
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: So that's gonna be insanely important. So that's my big focus.

965
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: And the guys I want to see those edge rushers

966
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: to see if the Giants and Marcus Golden byle I

967
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: throw them to the mix there too, can those guys

968
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: get in there and and be consistent rushers, because I

969
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: think Golden and Zimmenez have shown the most in the spring.

970
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: But you know who knows that that's gonna translate to

971
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: when the Pats come on, You know, John, I always

972
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: ask these questions during the spring drills. I always say, Okay,

973
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: of all the boxes that the Giants need to check,

974
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: do they have enough potential answers and all of these

975
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 1: boxes to make me feel like they've got a realistic

976
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: chance with the guys on the roster. And the only

977
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: box right now that I really don't have any confidence

978
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 1: in is the pass rush, the edge rushing pass rushers.

979
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: As much as I love the X Man and I

980
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 1: really really really love Lorenzo carter Um, they haven't proven

981
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: that they can be a double SAT guy in the NFL.

982
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: They haven't done it yet. I worry about the cornerback

983
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 1: depth a little. I feel really good about those guys.

984
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: I feel I feel better about the corners than I

985
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: do the edge rushers right now. I agree with that.

986
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: But you know rookie corners, man, well, they're gonna It's

987
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: always it's always a challenge. I use Mark Kains as

988
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: the example when I remember when Mark Kains was a rookie,

989
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: was number one draft pick, and Mark Kains as a

990
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: rookie made a ton of mistakes and you winced and

991
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, you bite your lip and you're biting

992
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: your tongue. Long term, I love the group. Short terms,

993
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: they are going to be growing pains. That's the only

994
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: point I'm making. Well, for every terrific play those guys make,

995
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: they'll probably have a bus correct And the question is

996
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 1: how much will that hurt you? That's just the way

997
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: it is. But I agree with you. I think pass

998
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: rush has to be it. Yeah, yeah, so and and

999
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: and to me, that right now is the only box

1000
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: that really doesn't have a lot a lot of proven

1001
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: answers to to make me feel comfortable. So can x

1002
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 1: Man be that guy? Can Golden be that guy? Can

1003
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: car To be that guy who is the double If

1004
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: I said to you right now, John, John, put one

1005
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: week's paycheck on the name that's gonna be the double

1006
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: digit sack guy for the Giants this year, can you,

1007
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: with any confidence give me that one guy? Confidence know?

1008
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: If I had to give you a name, I'd probably

1009
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: give you Marcus Golden. If I if you had to

1010
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 1: give a name, who would you give? I don't know

1011
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: that I have one. I will know. If I had

1012
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: to guess, I'd say they wouldn't have one. But if

1013
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 1: you made me bet on one, I'd bet on Gold,

1014
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: I'd bet on Carter. Five on three. I got about

1015
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: seven minutes here and three calls. Let's get them all in, Dan,

1016
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: and the Poconos is up next day, Dan, how are

1017
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: you hey doing? John Paul? Hey real quick? And so

1018
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: you get the other guys in. I just wanted to

1019
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 1: mention now how people call up every now and then

1020
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 1: and they're frustrated because they hear, you know, oh, you know,

1021
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: Gettleman's getting criticized and Daniel Long was you know, they

1022
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: shouldn't have picked him, and blah blah blah. If the

1023
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: if the you know are the faithful giant fans out there,

1024
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: take this advice. Do not watch the NFL network. This

1025
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: it's just over and over the biases. Even when we

1026
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: won the super Bowl. Last couple of times we won

1027
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: the super Bowl, they were not gonna stand. It's just

1028
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: ridiculous that don't put yourself through it. Can I just

1029
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: surprise you of one thing that I happen to catch

1030
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: on the station this week, and I happen to enjoy

1031
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 1: the NFL Network. I think those guys do a great job. Look,

1032
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: I work for them for a number of years, so

1033
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be smirched them. But the other day,

1034
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: uh t D. Terrell Davis picked the Giants game by

1035
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: game and had them at four and twelve this season,

1036
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: so that the next day they brought Sean O'Hara on

1037
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: and they had Sean fix t DS prediction in right

1038
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: in front of him game by game, and Sean went

1039
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: over to the board he goes, you got them at

1040
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: four and twelve. Huh, you're talking about last year's roster.

1041
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: This is not the two thousand nineteen Giants. What did

1042
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 1: Sean get them to after he did it? Ten and

1043
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: six off? That might be a little strong too, Okay,

1044
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 1: So so you know, thank you to Sean for setting

1045
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: t D straight. But the point is, the point is

1046
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: at least there was some checks and balances, and that's

1047
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 1: all I'm gonna load you too. Well, there you go. Well,

1048
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: thank god Sean Harris over there talking some common sense.

1049
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: Thank god, thank you. I appreciate and I feel like,

1050
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: you know, the team has become this Sometimes, you know,

1051
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: one team gets labeled as a team that everyone likes

1052
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 1: to dump on and for whatever reason, and I frankly

1053
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: don't I guess I get it. But the Giants have

1054
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: become that team that everyone just likes to take shots at.

1055
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: Now and well, I'll be say, you know what's gonna

1056
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 1: this Why sports are a beautiful thing, Paul. It comes

1057
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: in waves, so they always eventually you play the games.

1058
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: It comes in waves. Actually, you play the games, and

1059
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: that's gonna the side. You know that simple what happens

1060
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: when you when you make playoffs five out of six years,

1061
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 1: you get talked about in a real good light, whether

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00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: or not you deserve it. When you don't make the

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00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: playoffs in six out of seven years, you're gonna get

1064
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 1: talked about in a bad light. In the last four years,

1065
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: the Giants have had three different head coaches. Do you

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00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: know what that usually is a single of you're not

1067
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: doing too well. Perceptions become very dilated because people just

1068
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: wind up going with the flow and it takes them

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00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: longer to believe in whatever turnaround is taking place because

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00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: the perception overweighs the reality a lot of times. You know,

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00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: I look at the Giants and the Steelers similarly, and

1072
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: that both franchise. I think people are kind of giving

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00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: up on them a little bit. I mean, people just

1074
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: assume the Browns and win the NFC North. You don't

1075
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 1: think the Steelers and the Ravens have something to say

1076
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: about that? Oh, I'm with you a thousand percent. I

1077
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: don't think Cleveland is going to that division. I think

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00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 1: they have a shot at it, but but just assume

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00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: that with the Ravens who constantly are in the mix,

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00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: and the Steelers who still have Ben Roethlisberger, jud Smith,

1081
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: Schuster and James Carl Let me come on, guys, I know,

1082
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 1: come on, I know, let's go to Mike and Oakland's

1083
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 1: I'm next online too. What's up Mike? Hey, guys. I'm

1084
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: great to be back on the show. So hey, I

1085
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: was hoping to um kind of pick your brain because

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00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: you you have a lot more exposure to what's going

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00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: on in O. T A. S. And you know, I

1088
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: recognize the pads aren't on, but um, I'm still wondering

1089
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: about a couple of things if you're seen out there.

1090
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: So UM, I know other guys who are trying to

1091
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 1: get on. So I just lay down the list and

1092
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: I hope you can fill me in. So, um, first

1093
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 1: one is, you know we know that sick Kwan Barkley

1094
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 1: is uh, you know rare talent um receiving the ball

1095
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: and that once he gets into space, you know, he's

1096
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: a hard man to bring down. So um, you know,

1097
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: last year just most of his receptions came on kind

1098
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: of dump offs and outlet the passes, and we all

1099
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: were really hoping to see you know, some wheel routes

1100
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: just and and have them just split out and and

1101
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: basically running like a receiver route. So the first question is,

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00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: are you guys seeing say Kwan um actually kind of

1103
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: starting to dig into into like a receiver route tree

1104
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: and wheel routes and these O T s. Yes, um,

1105
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: very simply yes. Yes. Sweet. So that's a great answer. Okay, Well,

1106
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: Coach Schuler said as much that the one thing that

1107
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: he would like to see Se Kwon do when year

1108
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: two besides play within himself and not try to do

1109
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: too much because he was that great last year, he

1110
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: wants to see him become better as a route runner

1111
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: and improve his ability in the passing game out of

1112
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 1: different positions on like the one poor thing. I've seen

1113
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: them do a lot with say Kwan whether they motion

1114
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: him into the slot or do it out of the backfield.

1115
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: They've figured out ways to get him, especially on third downs,

1116
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: isolated on that inside linebacker and he just runs away

1117
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: from him, catches the ball and usually has a ton

1118
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: of daylight ahead of him. So I think you'll see

1119
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 1: a lot of that this year. And by the way,

1120
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,879
Speaker 1: they're not gonna hopefully they're not gonna need to help

1121
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 1: block as much either, because the offensive one can get

1122
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: the job done themselves, exactly more freedom for him to

1123
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: do other things. Yeah, it's really hard for me to

1124
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: even conceive of like what the limit is for that.

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00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: Given a competent offensive line and a creative offensive coordinator,

1126
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: it's just, um, you know, it's kind of like an

1127
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: unbelievable uh sense of excitement for what's coming on. Here's

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00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: all right, what's next? Mike real quick? Finish up? Okay,

1129
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: Corey Valentine. I'm sorry, Dexter Lawrence. I want to ask

1130
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: you know, um, I know there's no paths on. But

1131
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I hope he's eventually an

1132
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: upgrade to Harrison is is, besides his health is in

1133
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: addition to a run stopper, the guy can rush the passer.

1134
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: And so you know, I look for um pass rush

1135
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: and counter moves and things that are actually gonna let

1136
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: him do more than just kind of play a run

1137
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: stopping nose. So I'm wondering if you're seeing any of

1138
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: that um and you're able to see stuff like that.

1139
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: The problem is that there's not a lot of contact

1140
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: that the line of scrimmage. And the other problem is

1141
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: that we stand on the sideline right so, and I

1142
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: don't get practice tape to look at. So when you're

1143
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: looking from the sideline, it's hard to see what's happening

1144
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: with guys hands in the middle of the defensive line

1145
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: and they're not doing one on ones yet with offensive

1146
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: lineman because there's no contact and there's no pad. So

1147
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: I can't give you an educated answer on that. I

1148
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: can tell you he's gigantic and he's quick. I could

1149
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: give you that, but I can't give you much more.

1150
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: The other day he was on the line of scrimmage

1151
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: and he up and batted down the past. Remember that

1152
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: I did it on Tuesday. I don't know how far

1153
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: I got off the ground, but he did. He did.

1154
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: He got up. I don't again, I don't know how

1155
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: far it was either, but I did see him get

1156
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: up there, and all of a sudden, his hand emerges

1157
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: from that massive bodies and knocked the sucker down and

1158
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, you know that's not something it

1159
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: the snacks. Snacks never knocked down passes. Joe and Pennsylvania

1160
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: wrap us up today. Hello Joe, Hi, guys, Uh you

1161
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: just were talking about But my biggest concern is uh,

1162
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: and used were out there watching, and that is the

1163
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: linebackers covering these tight ends, especially in our division, and

1164
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: the running backs coming out of the backfield. I know

1165
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: last year quite a bit and third and longs we

1166
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: were getting beat. But I think I think, uh, uh

1167
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: what third and longs? Now we can bring in more

1168
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: of these corners and love and stuff like that and

1169
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: safeties of that. But I'm a little concerned, especially like

1170
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: first and second down covering the uh running backs and

1171
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: the tight ends out of the backfield. Have you seen anything, Dept. Joe?

1172
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: I agree. I think that's a fair worry. Um. I

1173
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: don't think the Giants have linebackers that are particularly great

1174
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: coverage guys. I think that maybe they think Tay Davis

1175
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: can become one. Um, they got this guy Mark McLaurin,

1176
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: who I think is in thing guy that maybe eventually

1177
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: could develop into somebody. If not right away at some point. Uh. Look,

1178
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: I think that is something to be concerned about in

1179
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: the middle of the field. Like you said, I believe

1180
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: on third downs they'll be using their linebackers to blitz

1181
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: a lot more than they have before. And I think

1182
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: both V. J. Goodson Analog Ogiltree, I think D. Davis

1183
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: slash it To actually are actually pretty good blitzers. So

1184
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: I think they'll try to use them in that role

1185
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: more than they'll try to get them on tight ends.

1186
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: I think that's why uh Gibol Peppers this year. I

1187
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: think they gonna try to get him on tight ends

1188
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: as much as possible. But you're right, sometimes other teams

1189
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: are going to get the isolated. It's just the way

1190
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 1: it goes. And yeah, I think that's something that you

1191
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: can definitely keep your eye to see if they can

1192
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: improve it that area. I think that's Uh. I think

1193
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: that my biggest concern there are a weak point because

1194
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 1: I think these corners are young in town that they're

1195
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: going to make their mistakes, have growing pains, as you said,

1196
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: but I think they'll come up with some maybe some

1197
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: big place too, so hopefully there and uh, but that's

1198
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: my concern on a so okay, Thank you go Giants,

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Speaker 1: Thank you Joe, good stuff. Enjoy your weekend, everybody out there,

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Speaker 1: and enjoy your weekend as well. Thank you for being

1201
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: part of the show, and of course, continue to send

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01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: in your tweets to hashtag Giants Chat and give us

1203
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: a call right here on Big Blue Kickoff Live. We're

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01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 1: back to noon on Monday, and we'll be there for

1205
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Speaker 1: the rest of the summer until we get the training camp.

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Speaker 1: Once we get that schedule will decide where we have

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01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: to or when we have to do the show, depending

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Speaker 1: on what time practices. Hopefully we can keep it at noon,

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01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 1: but that might be tough. We will see. We will

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Speaker 1: see what the schedule looks like. Patrimmer likes that stuff

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Speaker 1: going on during lunchtime at noon, so that that's been

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Speaker 1: has been the toughest adjustment for us, but we will exactly.

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Speaker 1: For Boltotino, I'm John Schmelt for Lance Meadow and Jeff Eagles,

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