1 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:05,359 Speaker 1: What's up? His way up with Angela? 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 2: Yee, And first of all, you guys know, I have 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 2: always said how much of a fan I am of 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:14,239 Speaker 2: this woman right here, and she recently went viral, but 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 2: I've been talking about what a fan I am even 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 2: before that. 7 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: Don Robinson is joining us via zoom. What's up? Don Robinson? 8 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 3: Oh? I'm good. How are you? Angela? 9 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: I'm doing well and you look amazing. 10 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you. I'm little frazzled, but I'm here 11 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 3: and I'm grateful. Thank you so much, you guys for 12 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 3: having me, your whole team, everybody way up. I appreciate 13 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 3: being here well. 14 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:37,959 Speaker 1: Thank you. 15 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: And I know you did not anticipate going viral the 16 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 2: way that you did most recently because you've been doing 17 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 2: this blog where you've. 18 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: Been opening up to people about yourself. You've had this YouTube. 19 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 2: Channel for over a year, but then you got really 20 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 2: honest on this latest episode. So I know we want 21 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: to start there where you said, Okay, I just want 22 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:01,639 Speaker 2: to let people know what I'm up to, So talk 23 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 2: to me about why you decided right then to do that. 24 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 3: Well, I had even in the video itself, episode six, 25 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 3: I had said to everybody that you know, I wanted 26 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 3: to talk about this episode in my life a long 27 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 3: time ago, like when I first started my channel, I 28 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 3: wanted to start. I wanted to talk about this subject 29 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 3: and car life and I can't believe it's like it's 30 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 3: crazy because I had one idea about what this was 31 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 3: going to be and I thought, Wow, I'm just going 32 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 3: to put it out to my little fan you know 33 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 3: what I mean, the fans on my channel, and it 34 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 3: took off in a way that I could not have imagined. 35 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 3: But I'm so grateful that it did. A lot of 36 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 3: people are understanding exactly what I'm saying. Some people are 37 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 3: even what's wonderful is that the car life people, Van 38 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 3: life people, our v life people are really happy. They're like, Wow, 39 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 3: she gets it. She's free right now, and she understands 40 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 3: it's temporary. I said that I've been saying that that 41 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 3: is a temporary situation. It's not forever. But I wanted 42 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 3: people to understand, like I said in the video, that 43 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 3: they can do anything that no matter what's coming in 44 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 3: your life, you handle it like you handle it and 45 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 3: don't think that it's the end of the world. You 46 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 3: figure out a way to get through that thing. And 47 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 3: if doin can do this, then you know, you guys 48 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 3: could do anything. And other people are taking it like 49 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 3: very negative and they're you know, they're trying to make 50 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 3: it ugly. I actually got teary for a minute because 51 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 3: I was like, Wow, it's like my whole little world 52 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 3: of car life, this temporary time in my life. It's 53 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 3: a journey, and journeys take, you know, different turns, and 54 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 3: sometimes you're up here and sometimes you're down and sometimes 55 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 3: and you work it out. And right now I've done that. 56 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 3: And when I put it out to the world and 57 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 3: everybody starts tearing it apart. So I was upset with 58 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 3: that part. But I'm like, you know what this there's 59 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 3: always gonna be negative, nasty people that have to you know, 60 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 3: try to put their fingers and stuff. So I was like, okay, 61 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 3: let it be that. It's okay. I didn't have to 62 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 3: say a word, though, Angela, because the hand the fans 63 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 3: handled all the negativity. So they tore them up. Yeah, 64 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 3: they did so. 65 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 2: And I think the main point for that, right your 66 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 2: new life is in the scary That's what it's about. 67 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: This is something that you said you wanted to do, 68 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 2: and look, I think it's important for people to put 69 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 2: the whole thing in context, because you describe what you 70 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 2: had been through even before that, a series of circumstances 71 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 2: that happen with your you know, previous I don't know 72 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: if that's your co manager, and then all of that 73 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 2: and how that kind of led up to you, like 74 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 2: staying in a hotel then not getting a place. But 75 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 2: people do have to I think watch the whole thing 76 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: because they were clips that were posted, and so it 77 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: made it seem like, how did this happen? She just 78 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, is you know, homeless living in 79 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: her car. But it was actually something that one day 80 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 2: you were like, you know what, I'm going to try this. 81 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 2: You had been thinking about it, and you said, I 82 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: want to do this car life thing. 83 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 3: I said, I did research, which is crazy. It's like 84 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 3: they're like, it's almost like people think that I was 85 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 3: just like thrown into Carliff and I had no she's 86 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 3: just homeless. It's not that at all. I'm inde a choice, 87 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 3: I said, I could have stayed at the hotels, or 88 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 3: I could have worked it out even with my manager 89 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 3: to stay with him, Like how can we make room 90 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 3: in your apartment? He has a one bedroom one bathroom sudden. 91 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 3: It's like they wanted they saw what they wanted to see. 92 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 3: They didn't see what I said. They made like I said, 93 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 3: They tore it apart and made certain parts like she's 94 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 3: homeless all this. You know, I'm like I said. Other 95 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 3: celebrities have have been have slept in their van, the 96 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 3: case with Marvin Gay was in a van bread van, 97 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 3: and even with Charlie Wilson, by his own admission, was 98 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 3: on the street. Now I'm not that, but that's the 99 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 3: way they made it seem, the perception that they wanted 100 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 3: it to be. It was like, Dawn is homeless and 101 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 3: she's destituted, and she needs money, and let's help her. 102 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 3: And I'm like, you guys, I love I love the 103 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 3: ones that came for me. Like I have a place, 104 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 3: I have a room and extra room. You could stay 105 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 3: with me. I'm like, I don't. My car is right 106 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 3: now temporarily, my room my home, and but I'm building 107 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 3: my life from here. It's like that. And somebody said, 108 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 3: somebody said, oh no, she's not homeless. Look at her nails. 109 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 3: She got a nase, so it's called polish. 110 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 2: And somebody also said, she has an assistant weigh in 111 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 2: and saying, you know, this is her choice, this is 112 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 2: what she wants to do. 113 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: She has an assistant. You're not you know, on house 114 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: with an assistant right exactly. 115 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 3: And for that comment, I was like, first of all, 116 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 3: I've only met him once in my life if that, 117 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 3: I remember being around, but not directly meeting him, So 118 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 3: I don't even think we said hello and shook hands 119 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 3: or get but hugged. So I was shocked. Usually artists 120 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 3: to artists, don't you know what I mean? He's a producer, 121 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 3: but he's still an artist. We don't attack each other 122 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 3: like that, like you would swear that he knows me directly, 123 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 3: like he knows my story and why it's like, where 124 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 3: are you coming from? It was a shocked but I'm 125 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 3: like some people have to just be negative, and he 126 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,799 Speaker 3: doesn't know my story, so he's assuming instead of reaching 127 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 3: out to me directly and saying, hey, you know, I 128 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 3: heard about your situation. What do you need? Are you okay? 129 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: Or you know what? 130 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 3: I don't know her story, but she's being very brave, 131 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 3: like be quiet if you don't know the story, just 132 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 3: keep your mouth shut. I would never go in on 133 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 3: someone else's situation if I don't know the details. So 134 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 3: I was shocked by that. But again, some people just 135 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 3: have to chime in, and he got drug. The fans 136 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 3: were like, no, that's not true, and you lost a 137 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 3: fan because you shouldn't have come for her. She didn't 138 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 3: ask for you. It was unnecessary. 139 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 2: And this is a journey you're documenting because you said 140 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 2: that you've been documenting this and perhaps this is something 141 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 2: that we'll see in its entirety, So can you talk 142 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 2: to me about that and what is kind of this 143 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 2: documentation because it's something that once you talked about it, 144 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, you kind of had to learn 145 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 2: how to navigate through things to make sure that you 146 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 2: stay safe. You said you have a gym membership, so 147 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,239 Speaker 2: that's how you manage to take a shower. 148 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 3: But you watched the whole thing, Angela, you're on it. 149 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I was done. I watched like all 150 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: the episodes. 151 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 2: I watched you talking about being a child and you know, 152 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 2: wearing an outfit with one black tight and one white 153 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 2: tight on, and I watched. 154 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 3: I mean that tells you. 155 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: I'm a fan. 156 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 2: So yes, And think on the positive side, it did 157 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 2: alert people to the fact that you have a YouTube channel, 158 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: and I saw all the struggles you went through with that, 159 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 2: with trying to get help, and it made me think 160 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 2: to myself about you wanting to It's hard sometimes when 161 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 2: you have to rely on other people for things, and 162 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 2: it feels like to me that throughout your career you've 163 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 2: been let down a lot of things that may be 164 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 2: out of your control, and so maybe this is a 165 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 2: way of taking back control exactly. 166 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 3: That's exactly what it is. I did this again. I 167 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 3: could have There's certain people that will take advantage of 168 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 3: somebody else helping them. In other words, a gold digger 169 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 3: type chick would have been like, you know what, he's 170 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 3: gone me in a hotel and stay in a hotel 171 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 3: for as long as it takes, even though he's I'm 172 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 3: not his type. It's like he's a gay man, but 173 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 3: you know, they would have taken advantage of that. And 174 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 3: I was like, I know this has to be financially 175 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 3: hard for you, so I'm not going to stay in 176 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 3: this hotel. But I could have done that. And I 177 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 3: was like, you know what, I feel like I'm being controlled. 178 00:07:58,160 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 3: As opposed to that, I'm going to take a bit. 179 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 3: I'm going to take control of my own life. And 180 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 3: I've been checking out this car life thing. Like I said, 181 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 3: I researched it, so I'm going to do that, and 182 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 3: that was taking control of my own life. 183 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 2: How was it for you at the beginning when you 184 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 2: first started, because I know you said the main thing 185 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 2: first was safety. There were some things that you had 186 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 2: to learn along the way. 187 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 3: So what was your question? 188 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 2: How was it when you first started, like with the 189 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 2: car life, because like you said, safety was an issue, 190 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 2: you wanted to make sure that because there is a 191 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 2: whole community, so you had to learn like who you 192 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: could trst, who you could interest. But what are some 193 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 2: of the things that you learned early on when you 194 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 2: first started in car life? 195 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 3: So the wind the safety is this, you don't want 196 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 3: people looking inside your car and side your windows and 197 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 3: just being able to access you that way. So I 198 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 3: had first I had a lot of long sleeve shirts, 199 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 3: especially when I was in Vegas. I was the first 200 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 3: time I was ever in my car, and I had 201 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 3: long sleeve shirts that I would tie together to cover 202 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 3: my windows. And then I was like, well, you can 203 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 3: still kind of see in the middle of certain things. 204 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 3: So I went online and I was like, oh, hey, 205 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 3: I have this particular car. I want to learn how 206 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 3: this guy was saying, if you have this particular car, 207 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 3: you buy black plastic bags and you put them up 208 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 3: to the window and then you close your window and 209 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 3: it'll it'll hold it in there when you when you 210 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 3: close the window, it'll be held in there. And that 211 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 3: worked for a while, and I was like, well, wait 212 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 3: a minute, it's gotta be even a better way than that. 213 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 3: So I researched Amazon and again my assistant see this 214 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 3: is the thing, and they were like, oh, she's got 215 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 3: her hair done. Well, how am I supposed to look 216 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 3: in my car? I'm not gonna look I will never 217 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 3: look like my circumstances. So my assistant Nisi, sister Nisi, 218 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 3: was like, Diva, they have these things for your window 219 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 3: that like a screen, and I was like, oh my god, 220 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 3: that would be So we researched the right ones for me, 221 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 3: and then she got them for me. So I have 222 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 3: these screens that you can open up from the inside 223 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 3: and you can kind of see out, but nobody can 224 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 3: see it. And when I close them on the inside, 225 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 3: you really can't see it. That's how I drive every day, 226 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 3: those things that are still on my winds. So that 227 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 3: kind of stuff that gave me the safety or the 228 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 3: secure already have safety that I needed. Making sure that 229 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 3: your doors are locked. I mean, it's the temple. It's 230 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 3: like we say that living in a car is so scary, 231 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 3: but it's like you can be in your apartment and 232 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 3: somebody busts the door in, and it's the same, Like 233 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 3: you're not that much safer in your apartment than you 234 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 3: are in a car. And I know it seems like 235 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 3: it's more risky. Probably is a little bit, but anything 236 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 3: can happen in your apartment or house just like you 237 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 3: can in your car. So come on, y'all, I don't 238 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 3: know it just like they wanted to make it a 239 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 3: big deal or a bigger deal than it is. And 240 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 3: I've learned to every time somebody says to me, oh 241 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 3: my god, you're not scared, I'm like should I be? 242 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 3: Like should I be scared? Because you guys are making 243 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 3: it seem like I'm like, no, I've never had that fear. Right, 244 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 3: this is an awakening. It's an awakening for me, you know. 245 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 3: So I feel like I said that too in the video, 246 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 3: like this is this is time for healing my mom, 247 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 3: and I like, don't have that relationship that I really want, 248 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 3: like I said, and if I said that stuff not 249 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 3: to put my mother on blast. I absolutely love. I've 250 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 3: always admired my mom. My mother moved my sister and 251 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 3: I from Connecticut to California on her own and started 252 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 3: a new life as a single mother with two kids, 253 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 3: Like you can move and do your thing when you're single, 254 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 3: but two kids, like she really made it work. And 255 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 3: I had to remind her of that throughout my life, like, Mom, 256 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 3: you remember you did this, like you're so strong. It's like, 257 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 3: oh my god, you're right. But something happened with that 258 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 3: relationship and there was anger. I was like, whoa, what 259 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 3: is happening? I almost thought maybe early stages of dementia 260 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 3: until I mentioned something to her. She's like, yes, I did. 261 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 3: I said that, I'd say it again. Okay, so you 262 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 3: knew what you were saying, you know, when you had 263 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 3: to mention like, no, I don't remember that. I didn't 264 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 3: say that. I would never say that to you, But 265 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 3: she knew, and she didn't atone for what she said. 266 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: I saw. 267 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 2: She She commented after all this and said that you 268 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 2: would give you a hug if she saw you, and 269 00:11:58,160 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 2: that you have. 270 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 3: To say that to make herself you know what I mean. 271 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 3: There's certain types of narcissism that I've heard about or 272 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 3: learned about in my lifetime. My ex is one of them. 273 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:10,719 Speaker 3: My mother's a certain type, and so she doesn't want 274 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 3: to look like I'm not trying to make a look 275 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 3: bad as a mother. She's been an amazing mother throughout 276 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 3: my lifetime. But as she's gotten older, something happened when 277 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 3: I lived with her again, and I'm like, this is 278 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 3: not the same woman, this is not this is not 279 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 3: Barbara Gane. So she did it. They were so anxious 280 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 3: to get an interview with her, and I was like, 281 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 3: why are these people reaching out so hard on my mom. 282 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 3: I didn't get to her, and she didn't contact me 283 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 3: to say, hey, do on these people want to talk 284 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 3: to me. That's what it used to be back in 285 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 3: the day, right. She just did the interview with them 286 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 3: and saying she's not going to say, well, yeah, this 287 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:47,839 Speaker 3: is what I wish would have happened. It would have 288 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 3: been nice if my mom said, you know what, my 289 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 3: daughter and I I said some things to my daughter 290 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 3: that were not very nice, and I regret those things, 291 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 3: but we'll do with that with each other. I love her, 292 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 3: that's it. You don't have to kiss my ass. Not 293 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 3: asking that at all. I'm just you know, she could 294 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 3: have just taken accountability. I guess that would have been great, 295 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 3: but she didn't do that. 296 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 2: And you mentioned your excel when I saw he also 297 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 2: said he offered you a job. 298 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 3: Home like Angela, like, would you work with your ex? 299 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 3: I'm just asking maybe maybe it was. Some people are 300 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 3: very good friends and they leave that door open for 301 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 3: that to happen. But this was not that. 302 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 2: And I haven't heard friends with his father though, right, 303 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 2: you are friends with his mother, because I remember you said, oh, no, okay, 304 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 2: I didn't know if this is I know you said that. 305 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: I felt like you said your mother in law. You 306 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 1: were still oh. 307 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 3: So these are two different extrads. This is the one 308 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 3: that came out and made these comments and coming out 309 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 3: like he has to take my shine because he doesn't 310 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 3: have shine of his own. So he made comments that 311 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 3: he shouldn't have made. I haven't heard from him about 312 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 3: a job, and why would I take a job from 313 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 3: an ex. One of the fans, or a few of 314 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 3: the fans, were like, he's an X four reasons, Yeah, no, 315 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 3: the forever mother in law is I was never married 316 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 3: to her son. 317 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: I just dated him. 318 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 3: I was common law marriage. I guess you could say. 319 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 3: And she's she's my mother in law. I call her mom. 320 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 3: I still call her ma Velma. 321 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 2: Okay, now I want to ask you from all of 322 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 2: this that has happened and all of the hoopla around 323 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 2: this YouTube that you posted and your series is called 324 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 2: it Shine, so people can go and watch all of 325 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 2: this because you are very connected to your fans, which 326 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 2: is why you actually even wanted to do this page 327 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 2: to give more of yourself so people can understand where 328 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: you're coming from. Because we've seen you in interviews, we've 329 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 2: watched your performances, we've seen all of that. But this 330 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 2: is a good way for you to keep that connection going. 331 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 2: What is going to happen now that you've done that. 332 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 2: There's been all this hoopla. What's next for Donna? There 333 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 2: are opportunities that came from this. 334 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, the world is my oyster Angela. It's 335 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 3: like I could not have imagined. In a few hours 336 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 3: time after I released that video so quickly my channel 337 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 3: was about one thousand and ninety two or no, I 338 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 3: need seven fans, and then it jumped to five thousand 339 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 3: within a couple of hours, and then I was driving 340 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 3: to Panera cause that's where I work and charge all 341 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 3: my stuff up. And by the time I got there, 342 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 3: it was seven thousand, and then the next morning it 343 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 3: was twelve thousand, and then later that same day it 344 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 3: was fifteen thousand. Like it's just this is amazing to me. 345 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 3: And from this, like I want to get offers because 346 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 3: the fans are like, oh, you can come stay with me. 347 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: You're like, I don't know, you'd rather be in my car, okay. 348 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 3: One guy's like, I have a house in Louisville, Kentucky 349 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 3: and you can. I'm like, dude, I don't know you, 350 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 3: but thank you. So I understand their kindness. I really do. 351 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 3: Some people might have nefarious, uh you know, thoughts about 352 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 3: what they have with me, but I'm like, no, I 353 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 3: don't know you, and I'm good. I never said I 354 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 3: was destitute. I never said that I'm down to my 355 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 3: last dollar and I need because they're sending money too, 356 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, I never I didn't even post 357 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 3: my I used to on the first few videos. The 358 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 3: people that were assisting me put my cash app on 359 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 3: the on my videos and I didn't even do that 360 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 3: with my PayPal. It was just like so, I never 361 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 3: asked for money. But I'm out of this. I want 362 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 3: people to know that they can do anything, like I said, 363 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 3: And I'm looking for deals like you know, directors, and 364 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 3: like I said, the number one documentary because the story 365 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 3: needs to be told. It happens way too often, are 366 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 3: far too often with celebrities not getting paid their worth. 367 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 3: This is an old story that should still happen. And 368 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 3: this is the other thing that I wanted to mention. 369 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 3: It doesn't happen as much with our Caucasian counterparts counterparts 370 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 3: as it does with us, right, more of us, you 371 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 3: know what I mean, than you do with them. You 372 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 3: don't hear about the Dixie Chicks having financial problems. They 373 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 3: never got paid two pennies of record. You don't hear about, 374 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 3: you know, Taylor Swift having financial issues. You don't hear 375 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 3: about Garth Brooks, you know, having It's like all of 376 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 3: these these are Caucasian counterparts, like said, they have their careers, 377 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 3: They have other things going on in their careers more 378 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 3: than they have financial issues. 379 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: Right. 380 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 3: I think it was what's his name? Uh, he's an 381 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 3: old time singer country singer. I think they raided his 382 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 3: house because of taxes or something like that. But that's 383 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 3: pretty much it with them. 384 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: Willie Nelson, was it Himly Nelson? 385 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:24,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly who Okay. 386 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, And like you said, you talked about the two 387 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 2: pennies of record that was the in Vogue days, and 388 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 2: people know in Vogue broke up because of issues, but 389 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 2: it was really about the finances, right, like these contracts 390 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 2: aren't looking right and I can't continue this if I'm 391 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 2: not going to get paid what my work was. 392 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 3: It was a little deeper than that, because you know, 393 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 3: I was still going along. We were doing our would 394 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 3: have been EV four album and it became the EV three. 395 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 3: So I'm not going to get into the details of 396 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,479 Speaker 3: the past because that's why it's the past. But I 397 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 3: was the only one speaking up, Like Terry had done 398 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 3: a solo album. The record company came to me, same 399 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 3: record company and said, don would you like to do 400 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,479 Speaker 3: a solo album? And I was like sure because at 401 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 3: the time it was just me, Maxine and Cindy waiting 402 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 3: for Terry. I have a picture that I'm going to 403 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 3: put in my book, in in my documentary of me, 404 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 3: Cindy and Terry, Sorry, Me, Cindy, Maxine at Terry's show 405 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 3: when she was just getting ready to go on tour. 406 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 3: We supported her solo album. She had a budget, she 407 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 3: had videos that she had done, she had a tour budget, 408 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 3: she had finished our complete album, and she was getting 409 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 3: ready to launch that tour and she did a show 410 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 3: at the Pantages in the Los Angeles and Me, Maxine 411 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 3: and Cindy went to support her on that. The record 412 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 3: company came to me maybe a month later and said, 413 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 3: don would you like to do a solo album too? 414 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 3: And I'm like, I had talked with Maxine and Cindy 415 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 3: and we didn't know what to do in the interim, 416 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 3: and I was like, you guys, we need to First 417 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 3: of all, I know we supported Terry, but this is 418 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 3: not right what they did. And the more I look 419 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 3: at this, it's like it was wrong that they were 420 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 3: in the middle of our career. We're doing well and 421 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 3: we had only done we had only done two albums 422 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 3: and then what they call an EP with one new song, 423 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 3: which was Runaway Love, and so let's see how did 424 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 3: that work out? So in the interim, here comes Sylvia 425 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 3: Won and then we did don't let Go, which was 426 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 3: for the soundtrack, and that was great, but our career 427 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 3: wasn't big enough for Terry to do a solo album. 428 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 3: I think Sylvia had found out that we were free 429 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 3: and clear from that deal and instead of us going 430 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 3: as a group, because we found out because our attorney 431 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 3: told us, wow, exactly, and Terry went back and told 432 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,719 Speaker 3: our producer because she was dating him. That's not a secret. 433 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 3: I said that in those one hundred and five interviews, 434 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 3: and she told him that we are free and clear 435 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 3: because they didn't renew our option. And when that happened, 436 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 3: Divide and Conquer, we'll put Terry in the studio and 437 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 3: we'll have the other three girls over here just waiting. 438 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 3: And I was like, wait a minute, it's been months. 439 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 3: Terry did an album, she recorded it, that took a 440 00:19:55,600 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 3: long time. Then she's practicing, she rehearsing as you say, 441 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 3: she's doing videos that took time. Then she did a 442 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 3: promo tour, and now she's on a major tour that 443 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 3: took all that time. I got to pay my. 444 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: Mortgage, right, you still have to work. 445 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And when the laber came to me to do 446 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 3: a solo album, I said yes, And then Maxine and 447 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 3: Sydney called me and they said, Dawn, you did a 448 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 3: solo deal and I said, yeah, I did, and I'm 449 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 3: sorry that I didn't tell you guys. I should have 450 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 3: divulced that to you. However, Terry didn't divulced us that 451 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 3: she was in the studio recording her album. She just 452 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 3: did it. And when we called her, she's like, well, 453 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 3: you guys, I don't really I don't really agree with 454 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 3: what you want to do, and I want to stay 455 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 3: with Denny and Tommy. Well you signed with us. You 456 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 3: didn't sign with Denny and Tommy. You signed the four 457 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 3: of us signed together with Denny and Tommy as our 458 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 3: production company, so that means divide and conquer. And she's like, 459 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 3: well I feel this way. I'm going to stay over 460 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 3: here with them. And I'm like, wow, okay, so we 461 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 3: have to decide what we're going to do and I'm 462 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 3: not going to lose my house because of her. So 463 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 3: when the record company came to me months later and said, Dawn, 464 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 3: do you want to do a solo? I should have 465 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 3: thought of it, like, okay, there's probably a tru into 466 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 3: Divide and conquer with me too. 467 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 2: Why why are you guys coming up that's interesting because 468 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 2: I've heard of so many different I randomly just did 469 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 2: something with Cheryl Pepsi Riley the other day and she 470 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 2: was in a group originally before she went solo, and 471 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 2: she was saying how the song that Lisa Lisa had 472 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 2: that was a big song for her. They wanted to 473 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 2: give her that song from Full Forest, and she didn't 474 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 2: do it because she was in a group, and she 475 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 2: felt like, oh, I can't do that to the group. 476 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 2: But sometimes it is a matter of it is a 477 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 2: survival thing too, because you can be really loyal. But 478 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 2: then later on, she said, later on the group didn't 479 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 2: work out, and I realized I should have you know, 480 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 2: I wonder if it was I wonder. 481 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: If I take you home? And oh, yeah, she had 482 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: the opportunity. 483 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 3: I love Lisa Lisa. Yeah, but my thing is we 484 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 3: we shouldn't have had that financial. 485 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: Situation, right, That's the main thing. 486 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 3: Well exactly, and we had sold millions on the first album. 487 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 3: I remember we first when we first came back from 488 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 3: our US when we were back in the stage from 489 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 3: our first time overseas abroad. Uh, I took our manager 490 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 3: backstage because I was confused. I'm like, we just did 491 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 3: these major shows overseas, all of these fans are screaming 492 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 3: for us around the world, and we come home and 493 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 3: we're still broke. And I took him. We were on 494 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 3: BT backstages at BT and it was just me by myself, 495 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 3: and I asked him, I said, David, and it's just 496 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 3: him and I walking around and we're on the back 497 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 3: lots and I asked him. I said, David, why how 498 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 3: come we're not making money? And he's walking with his 499 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 3: hands beyond his back and he said, you know, that's 500 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 3: a pie in the sky. And said, but David, we 501 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 3: already sold all these millions of records on our first album, like, 502 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 3: and we just came home. We saw how the fans 503 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 3: feel over there as well. And he's like, yeah, but 504 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 3: that's a pie in the sky. And I'm like, wait 505 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 3: a minute, what do you mean by that pie in 506 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 3: the sky. You gotta sell millions of albums for that. 507 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 3: I said, we did. We sold millions of exactly and 508 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 3: the world loves us, So now I know there's got 509 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 3: to be money there. And he's like, well, you know 510 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 3: it's gonna take some time, dude, Okay, And I'm by myself, 511 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 3: so I'm going against kind of what the girls feel. 512 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 3: But I had to ask those. In my spirit, I've 513 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 3: always seen that something was wrong with this picture. These 514 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 3: girls are loved by the world, were selling all these records. 515 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 3: We have platinum albums on our wall, and yet we 516 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 3: are broke as yeah, you know, come on. It doesn't 517 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 3: make sense to me, and I'm the only one asking 518 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 3: the question. So I had to shut up, like, don okay, 519 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 3: maybe this is the way it's supposed to go. No. 520 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 3: When I started seeing our producers get mansions and of 521 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 3: course the executive for the record company, I understood that 522 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 3: she had it. That was Sylvia Roon. But Sylvia Rome 523 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 3: became a household word. She was known before that in 524 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 3: the industry, but she became a household word because of us. 525 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 3: I think that she would give us that credit. She 526 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 3: had her own career that she had built, but we 527 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 3: gave We made her like people were like, oh, yeah, 528 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 3: we know Sylvia Roone. The girls mentioned her because we did. 529 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 3: We made her that name. She had Motley crue. You 530 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 3: don't hear from you know what I mean, other people 531 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 3: about my c but we made her that. So I 532 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 3: couldn't understand why this black woman too that we admired 533 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,239 Speaker 3: so much, wouldn't make sure. But it wasn't her job too. 534 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,479 Speaker 3: It was our team's job, our managers, our producers, all 535 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 3: these people that say they love us, that were family, 536 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 3: and the lawyer and our lawyer attorney. Yeah I didn't 537 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 3: put him in there, but yeah, our attorneys, they should 538 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 3: have made sure that we were okay. 539 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 2: And yeah, and listen, and I know you said, we 540 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 2: don't want to backtrack to that, but I just want 541 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 2: to say, aside from in Vogue and you were such 542 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 2: a standout. I mean, we all love in Vogue, but 543 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 2: I think Dawn, just you is the person that like 544 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 2: we were always excited about. The guys loved you too. 545 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 2: And I said that too when I was talking about it. 546 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 2: It was always like you down from in Vogue, Dawn 547 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 2: from in Vogue, and then when you joined Lucy Pearl, 548 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 2: you know, more hits, and you did all of that, 549 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 2: but even during that time, you still weren't getting the 550 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 2: money that you were supposed to get and you actually 551 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 2: lost your home during that time. 552 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,239 Speaker 3: I sure did. I did. Lucy Pearl was different. I 553 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 3: was just telling my team that Lucy pro was. I've 554 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 3: known Ray Faield and it's sad about Duayne. I just 555 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 3: want to say my condolence is because I met Dwayne first. 556 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 3: We would be I think my MD for my band. 557 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 3: He was an older guy, or he was older than us. 558 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 3: I was in high school when I was doing shows 559 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 3: in San Francisco, so I was underage, and I would 560 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 3: have to stay in the back rooms are in there, 561 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 3: like this one place called Qt's. A lot of people 562 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 3: in the Bay Area played QT so they know what 563 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 3: I'm talking about. But I'd have to stay down in 564 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 3: the room where they had all the liquor because if 565 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 3: I was caught in the room, literally in the club 566 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:45,199 Speaker 3: itself and not on stage, they could lose their liquor lightnse. 567 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 3: So I would have to stay in that room exactly. 568 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 3: So one day I was at the bus step and 569 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 3: I met this guy named Dwayne. He's like, oh, I'm 570 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 3: a guitar player. So I told my band director music director, 571 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 3: this guy, he says he plays, and he came and 572 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 3: played for us, and he ended up playing my band. 573 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 3: And then he brought Raphael and that's where I met Rafael. 574 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 3: So I've known Raphael since I was sixteen. We were 575 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 3: both sixteen, but he played in my band, so I 576 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 3: was just surprised that not only you know, Raphael, that 577 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 3: we got this thing that you put together. It was 578 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 3: Rafael's baby, but it was all of us together making 579 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 3: this work. I brought the producers Bobby and Glenn. They 580 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 3: call themselves Jake and the Fat Man, and it's a 581 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 3: white guy actually and a Mexican guy that made the 582 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 3: sound for Lucy Pearl like that. Yeah, Rafael played bass, 583 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 3: so when you hear him on you know whatever, you 584 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 3: hear the bass on that album, that was all Raphael. 585 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 3: But the scratching and all the little moments in that album, 586 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 3: really it was Bobby and Glenn that made that happen. 587 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,479 Speaker 3: Like they were great. I was just shocked because Rafael 588 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 3: could have come to me like I was trying to 589 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 3: tell him, this is Lucy Pearl is your baby, this 590 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 3: is on your your label. This is not a major label. 591 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 3: Like you know, Lucy Pearl has come through you. This 592 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 3: is your idea, you thought it up, and here we are. 593 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 3: This is your dream come true and we're all here. 594 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 3: When I lost my house, I literally had to go 595 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 3: over the overseas. Here we are again for the first 596 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 3: time with Lucy Pearl, and we were number one on MTV. 597 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 3: I think it was Madonna was number one for I 598 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 3: think three weeks or a month, and we knocked her 599 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 3: off the number one spot. That's how big. Lucy Pearl 600 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 3: was much bigger overseas actually abroad than we were here. 601 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 3: And the big song for them was still Mess. 602 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 1: With My Man Dance and I was big here, but. 603 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,120 Speaker 3: They loved it. And we literally had to leave all 604 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 3: that stuff in the car and my makeup artists and 605 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 3: makeup in the room at MTV because they were closing 606 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 3: and the next day it was Saturday and they wouldn't 607 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 3: be open, so we had and we got off the 608 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 3: plane in the car to MTV, did the makeup, and 609 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 3: got on and they presented us with all this like 610 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 3: number one and Raphael, I don't know. I saw it 611 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 3: when we did sprite Night here in the States before 612 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 3: we went abroad. We did. We did spright Night, and 613 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 3: spright Night is just for the fans to know. Spright 614 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 3: Night is like the night before I want to say 615 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 3: the Angelia, you know what spright Night is, right, that's 616 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 3: for the award shows. So I think it's a VH 617 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 3: one Awards. 618 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 2: So it's something before the awards exactly. It's a big event. 619 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 3: It's a big event but they have it's actually in 620 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 3: a hotel and they take all the walls down, so 621 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 3: it's like a convention room, but it's massive. 622 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: Okay. 623 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 3: So there's a bunch of tables and at every single 624 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 3: table there's this different radio station. So you might talk 625 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 3: to Amsterdam over here, you might talk to Chicago exactly right. 626 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 3: But it was Sprite put it on, so they call 627 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 3: it Spright Night. And we're waiting for our next interview. 628 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 3: And Raphael is standing to my left, just right here, 629 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 3: and all these standing we're waiting up against the wall, 630 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 3: and Lee Bailey from Record Radio One comes walking over 631 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 3: Moss over. He's got his hat on, like looking like 632 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 3: he's in the Safari. He's an older man, and he 633 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 3: comes over and he takes his uh, he's got a 634 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 3: front pocket. He takes his little recorder out and he 635 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 3: puts uh, I guess he's recording. And he's like smiling, 636 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 3: and I was like hrd Lee. We all said high 637 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 3: and Raffael was like damn because he stood between me 638 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 3: and Raphael and he said, damn. Don't you see him 639 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 3: stating here? What the fuck? Excuse me? Yeah, And I 640 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 3: looked at Allie, and I said we are done because 641 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 3: you don't. First of all, this is what I meant 642 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 3: by that is you don't. You don't put someone like 643 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 3: Lee Bailly down. Lee Billy has has been a radio 644 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,239 Speaker 3: one for decades. Right, he didn't do anything wrong. He 645 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 3: was a little bit rude by standing in between us 646 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 3: and not saying excuse me, Raphael. But Raphael took offense 647 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 3: to that because he felt like Lee Belly only wants 648 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 3: to talk to. 649 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 2: Me, and we got yeah, and I feel like I got 650 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 2: Lisha Haye Muhammad is the type of person that's mad chill. 651 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 2: He's okay with being like you know, he's a musician, musician, 652 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 2: and maybe he's okay with not being like you know, 653 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 2: a yeah. 654 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 3: But Raphael asked me to be a part of the 655 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 3: group because of what I brought. So he was like, 656 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 3: you know, I'll he brings the hip hop abilities. He 657 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 3: brings that part of it. I don't have that. I 658 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 3: bring R and B. But I also bring the pop side, 659 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 3: and Raphaeld wanted that. Raphael brings the R and B side. 660 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 3: We all have something to bring to the table, and 661 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 3: that's why you wanted me. Now you're angry, you're upset 662 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 3: because I'm getting I'm the girl. And anytime there's a 663 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 3: female in a group, rufus Ha Ka Khan can tell 664 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 3: you that, no doubt, when Stefani can tell you that, 665 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 3: like they can all tell you that. The woman I 666 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 3: saw we were at we were in France and we 667 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 3: were at the airport and there was we were all 668 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,239 Speaker 3: getting magazines and candy for our next flight, and I 669 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 3: saw an article with when Sefani telling her group like 670 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 3: the guys were upset because we all started together at 671 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 3: you know, in Orange County, California as a band. What 672 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 3: is a garage band? And they were like, why are 673 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 3: you getting all the covers like you know, Vogue magazine 674 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 3: and why are you doing all that? And she said, look, 675 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 3: when I do the cover of Vogue, it's because Vogue 676 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 3: doesn't have men on the cover. 677 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: Okay, first and no, they really don't. 678 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 3: And when I do that, though, it brings light to 679 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 3: the whole group. 680 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: It's good for everybody. 681 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 3: Yes, come on and we can get paid. Let's get 682 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 3: this paper. 683 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: And let her do all that work and we'll. 684 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,719 Speaker 3: Thank you, right, and let's let's support her. And so 685 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 3: they finally did. It's like that's our girl. Let's Glenn, 686 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 3: and it could have been the same. Lucy Pearl to me, 687 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 3: I love InVogue. I've said this before, so there's no 688 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 3: offense to invoke. I am proud of Invoke. But I 689 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 3: love Lucy Pearl because we put it together ourselves, like 690 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 3: Rafael's idea, but we made up the name, we made 691 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 3: up the sound, we made up the look, which was 692 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 3: much more rock and roll than I would have done 693 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:38,479 Speaker 3: with in Vogue and Voke was more polished, upscale and Raffael, 694 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,239 Speaker 3: And I'm like, Raphael, this is your shit, excuse me, 695 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 3: but it's yours, Like, let's make this work. I'm here, 696 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 3: I lost my house and I'm still smiling. Nobody here 697 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 3: in London, or i should say abroad, is none the 698 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 3: wiser that I lost my house. I'm not sitting on 699 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 3: camera like you know, angry upset, which I should have 700 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 3: been by all accounts, because you told me one thing 701 00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 3: in the beginning, and here we are and I lost 702 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 3: my house and I'm still supporting you. I'm still supporting 703 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 3: Lucy Pearl, and nobody knows anything. I'm smiling. And I 704 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 3: didn't understand that the jealousy jealousy can be. It's very real. 705 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely is and that should have never ever 706 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 2: happened to you, like honestly, just with your talent. And 707 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 2: I do want to ask you this, where did your 708 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 2: talent even come from? 709 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: Like did you were you always just able to sing? 710 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 2: I just want to know where, Like as Dawn as 711 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 2: a child, is this something that people are like, she's amazing? 712 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: Just tell me, like, where does it come from? 713 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 3: Well, my dad said that I was in the car. 714 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 3: I would always sing with him, trying my little best 715 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 3: at two years old to harmonize, and he heard me singing. 716 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 3: At the time, the Beatles had a song called Michelle 717 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 3: my Bell and it was mostly in French Michelle my 718 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 3: belle son name monk key bonre bien on some is 719 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 3: like the hook. Okay, I'm singing that with my dad 720 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 3: and he's like, but for the first time I was 721 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 3: singing like a harm of him or something. He's like, 722 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 3: he didn't know the words, the terms, but she's not 723 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 3: singing the same note, but she's on key. He didn't understand, 724 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 3: and he ran in the house with me and telling 725 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 3: my mom bj barbargine. She can sing, and my mom's like, uh, 726 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 3: we're still trying to teach her how to talk like 727 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 3: we you me and he played the song in front 728 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 3: of her and she's like, oh my god. So he 729 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 3: kind of discovered my vocal, but we didn't do anything 730 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 3: with it. My parents when I weren't like, let's get 731 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 3: her an agent, Like we were in a New London, Connecticut. 732 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 3: With Connecticut it was a small town two hours outside 733 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 3: of New York, so they didn't have no connections or 734 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 3: anything like that. But over the years when we moved 735 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 3: to California, especially, I started getting in the studio with 736 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 3: local people in Oakland a lot of which that's how 737 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 3: I met Like, like I said, I met Dwayne, but 738 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 3: he knew the people that I worked with. So when 739 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 3: I said, oh, I have a band, and he's like, oh, 740 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 3: I know Daryl Clifton, which sadly he passed away recently, 741 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 3: but yeah, he knew him. And in the Bay Area, 742 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 3: there's a lot of music that has come out of 743 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 3: the Bay to like exactly Tower of Power, Sly in 744 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 3: the family Stone, what's her name, Rosie Games to Bless 745 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 3: her Heart, she's so talented, you know. There's even Journey 746 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 3: comes from Nevado, which is maybe about a half hour 747 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,760 Speaker 3: from Oakland. Journey came from there, Like there's a lot 748 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 3: of artists and a lot of music that comes out 749 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 3: of the Bay. So my talent just to get back 750 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 3: that to that. My mom sings a little bit, but 751 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 3: never in church, never in front of people. My dad either, 752 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 3: but they they would sing all the time. There was 753 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 3: always a house field of music, and my parents would 754 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,359 Speaker 3: bring like my mother would bring both of them together, 755 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 3: would say, bring Soul, you know, R and B back 756 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 3: then Tower of Power, like all those bands even they 757 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 3: came from the Bay. And then my dad brought the 758 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 3: rock and roll side and my mom was cool with that. 759 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 3: A lot of the albums. When he passed away, I 760 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 3: was like, this looks like Mom's signature. She would put 761 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 3: his name on all the albums. If he didn't know him, mo, 762 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 3: she would like, I don't know. I just felt like 763 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,839 Speaker 3: I wanted to write Robbie or Johnny on there, and 764 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 3: she did, and so I would. I had shown her 765 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 3: when he passed away. I had a lot of his 766 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 3: albums in his record collection. She's like, oh my god, 767 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 3: I mean Chicago, you know, the Eagles, all those albums. 768 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 3: She would write his name on all of it. That's 769 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 3: the music that my dad brought. So when he passed away, 770 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 3: I could not be like I would be in I 771 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 3: don't know target and I'm hearing the beatles overhead. I 772 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 3: would put down whatever I had and run because I 773 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 3: didn't want to hear it. It would hurt me. But 774 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 3: I learned to embrace that. I'm like, you know what, 775 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 3: whenever I hear the beatles or the Beg's or the 776 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 3: eagles or whoever, the carpenters even, I was like, you 777 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,760 Speaker 3: know what, let me embrace that because I can't run. 778 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, Dad, this is you. Let me. Okay, Dad, 779 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 3: I love you. I'm glad you're here. That's him telling 780 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 3: me that he's with me. So that my talent came 781 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 3: from my parents. But they weren't the typical singers. They 782 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 3: weren't like my mom was not in church singing like that. 783 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 3: She did sing, she had her solos every now and then, 784 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 3: but she wasn't like pursuing. 785 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 2: I mean, at two, it kind of is like something 786 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 2: that you hadn't learned, but you just had the natural. 787 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 2: Because even when you're talking, boy, it sounds like you 788 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 2: can sing. 789 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,839 Speaker 3: Think oh wow, thank you so much. People say that 790 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 3: a lot my speaking voice. But my mom there's a 791 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 3: picture of my mother that I'm gonna put in my 792 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 3: book again and my documentary. She's in the living room. 793 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 3: She said, I had to be six weeks old. So 794 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 3: I was sleeping in the bacinette in the room and 795 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 3: she's with her friends and they're literally doing Stop in 796 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 3: the Name of Love, like you know, they thought they 797 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 3: were the Supremes. She used to look as a younger woman, 798 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 3: looked like Diana Ross when she was younger, but she 799 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 3: never really pursued it. But it's like, Okay, when my 800 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,359 Speaker 3: daughter grows up, she's gonna be in a girl group. 801 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 3: So I think I have the music because she listened 802 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:52,399 Speaker 3: to so much what I tell you. When I moved 803 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 3: in with them in twenty fifteen and I moved in 804 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,760 Speaker 3: with my stepdad and my mom in Vegas, I pulled 805 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 3: out my collection because it was all in the garage, 806 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 3: and I would pull out stuff and my mom was like, 807 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,360 Speaker 3: oh my god, you have that one, and she's like, 808 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 3: I have that too, but do you have this other album? 809 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 3: And we were like comparing albums and we would just 810 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 3: play music all day long like I used to when 811 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 3: I was a kid. And she told my stepdad he 812 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 3: came into my life. I think I was fourteen, so 813 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 3: he's been with me, you know, most of my life 814 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 3: with my mom. But she said she told him, she 815 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 3: said Bobby before, when Dorn was really little, she would 816 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:31,320 Speaker 3: go from Stephanie Mills to Chaka Khan to my higher register, 817 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 3: which was Denise Williams and Minnie Ripperton. Those whistle notes. Yeah, 818 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,240 Speaker 3: I was doing that. I had the tape tape Angela. 819 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 3: I had to be twelve thirteen years old, and the 820 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,359 Speaker 3: guy had a makeshift studio. He didn't have much because 821 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 3: they didn't know about studios back then, but he had 822 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 3: a real to reel and he recorded me on what 823 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 3: he calls what they call panning. And you know this 824 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 3: in the studio, you probably know they panned her voice, 825 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 3: Minnie Ripperton's voice to the left, and they panned my 826 00:37:58,480 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 3: voice to the right. So you hear me at four 827 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 3: hitting those notes with her like it was nothing. And 828 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 3: I was fourteen years old, so I've just had that 829 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 3: gift was just there. And my mom was like, well, 830 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,320 Speaker 3: we can't. New York is a little too fast. Although 831 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 3: she's a city girl, New York was a little too 832 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 3: fast for her to take me there and look for 833 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 3: agents when I was sixteen or seventeen years old. My 834 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 3: dad lived in New York, but it's like he didn't 835 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 3: know any connections, right, So when he moved to California, 836 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 3: She's like, well, let's maybe we should go to California. 837 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 3: Maybe we should move there for Dawn and data because 838 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,839 Speaker 3: Dana has her own dreams and her own My. 839 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 2: Sister, that's amazing, And you've you've referenced this book, your 840 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 2: autobiography as well as the documentary. 841 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: So how far along are you with that. 842 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 3: My documentary is It's hard because when you're telling your 843 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,719 Speaker 3: own story, I have a habit of reading what I 844 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 3: have already and I can't get past that because I'm 845 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 3: correcting things and all that didn't happen, like remember Terry 846 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 3: did this and Maccine said that, or I did this, 847 00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 3: and I'm I'm editing as I go along, and it's 848 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 3: the worst thing to do. I think I have to 849 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 3: get a ghostwriter to the best way I knew how 850 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 3: to write my book when I have so I have 851 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:14,799 Speaker 3: an introduction and two chapters. And the best way that 852 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 3: I worked on my book so far has worked for 853 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 3: me is I had an assistant early on. Mind you 854 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,760 Speaker 3: I have to go back to talk about the assistant 855 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,359 Speaker 3: part in a minute, but I'll talk about the book 856 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 3: real quick. The way that this person did it. Actually, 857 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,879 Speaker 3: he was a manager, so I'll say that he would 858 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 3: ask me questions. He had a dictaphone, and he'd ask 859 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,760 Speaker 3: me questions that I'm not even thinking of, because as fans, 860 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,840 Speaker 3: they can see things that I'm not thinking about. Stuff 861 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,319 Speaker 3: I forgot about it. I'm like, oh my god, I 862 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 3: didn't even know. Okay, let me and I'd answer that 863 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 3: and he's like, and what did you do for this? 864 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,280 Speaker 3: I'm like, wow, I didn't even think of the audition, 865 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 3: so it was only he said, what was the audition? Like? 866 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 3: Was it a cattle call? Did you have like hundreds 867 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 3: of girls? I'm like, no, but thanks for asking. There 868 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,319 Speaker 3: was only six girls. It wasn't a whole lot. I 869 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 3: think maybe seventeen women all together over, not just the 870 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,759 Speaker 3: day that we auditioned, but before that they had a 871 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 3: few more women. And then he asked me some other stuff, 872 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh boy. So that's the best way 873 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 3: that I know how to write my book because it 874 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 3: takes me out of my own story and prompts memories 875 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 3: that I'm not thinking about oh my god, you want 876 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 3: to know that part. Okay, so this is what happened 877 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 3: with Terry or Maxine or me, and this is what 878 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:20,800 Speaker 3: we all did. 879 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, that's the best way. 880 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:23,839 Speaker 3: To write a book. 881 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,839 Speaker 2: Angie Martinez about her book and I was telling her 882 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 2: about growing up in New York and some of the 883 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,239 Speaker 2: things that she did that was so monumental for us, 884 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 2: and she was like, I didn't think that was. 885 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 1: A big deal. 886 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 2: And there's things that people that love you or that 887 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:38,880 Speaker 2: know you might be like, wow, this was a bit 888 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 2: and you might be not even thinking that's something you 889 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,799 Speaker 2: would have put in a book. And sometimes it is 890 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,719 Speaker 2: good to have people bring things up and ask you 891 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 2: those questions. 892 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,920 Speaker 3: Exactly, I wouldn't even think that it was of interest, 893 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 3: but the questions prompt the next thing, and it takes 894 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,480 Speaker 3: me out of that one subject because I'll hang there 895 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,880 Speaker 3: for a while and I'm talking about that over and 896 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 3: over and over again, like the odd It's like, you 897 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 3: remember in anybody's life. We tend to, as human beings, 898 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:07,399 Speaker 3: remember the big moments. You remember when you graduated high 899 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,560 Speaker 3: school and went to college, or you remember your first 900 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,799 Speaker 3: job or your first boyfriend or husband or wife. You 901 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:17,759 Speaker 3: remember your first breakup, you remember losing your job, like 902 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 3: things that impacted your life. You remember those things, but 903 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,120 Speaker 3: it's the little stuff in between. I'm like, I don't 904 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 3: remember what I said to Terry a Maxine on the 905 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 3: tour bus or what you know, and so the ghostwriter 906 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 3: helps to prompt those memories. 907 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,799 Speaker 2: Well, we can't wait to see that and read that, 908 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,160 Speaker 2: because I know your story just even from listening, and 909 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 2: to your point, I want to say, even when people 910 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,319 Speaker 2: watch your YouTube, you do tell some stories. It may 911 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 2: feel like it was a small moment, but it left 912 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,480 Speaker 2: a big impact, you know, for you, even in how 913 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,440 Speaker 2: you think and how you approach things exactly. You know, 914 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 2: But I know, listen, I'm just happy because I know 915 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,760 Speaker 2: for you, I wanted to make sure that this interview 916 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,400 Speaker 2: felt comfortable, you know, for you to be able to 917 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 2: discuss everything that's been going on and going viral. And 918 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,319 Speaker 2: I wanted to make sure that people heard this, you 919 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,959 Speaker 2: know from you. I know you released a statement and said, look, 920 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 2: this is you know. People have been sending cash apps 921 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,719 Speaker 2: and by the way, don keep those all right, if 922 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,440 Speaker 2: they sent them to you directly, don't. 923 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,880 Speaker 1: Return them, just keep them. Yeah, please, just keep that. 924 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 3: I was grateful, but I'm like, you, guys, I didn't 925 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,360 Speaker 3: ask for money, and oh they're so sweet. It's like 926 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,319 Speaker 3: some people like I don't have much, but here's ten 927 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 3: dollars or fifty dollars or twenty or even five. I'm like, 928 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,279 Speaker 3: I don't care if it's a fifty cent piece. I 929 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,480 Speaker 3: didn't need your money. But I'm grateful that you see 930 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 3: me in a certain way that you want to help. 931 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 3: I'm grateful for that. But you know, like I said, 932 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:39,840 Speaker 3: I have these people helping me. 933 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 2: Focus on the focus on the love, and that's what 934 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 2: I want to say. Just focus on the love, focus 935 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:45,919 Speaker 2: on the positivity. 936 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:46,800 Speaker 1: And it's been. 937 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,799 Speaker 2: Exactly it's been three years of car life. And I 938 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,759 Speaker 2: know you said it's temporary. So what's the next step, Like, 939 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 2: do you already have it planned out? How do you 940 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,640 Speaker 2: know when it's like okay, time to do something else. 941 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,240 Speaker 3: Well, it depends on the deals that are on the table. 942 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,759 Speaker 3: And it's not that I did this episode for that. 943 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,320 Speaker 3: I just knew. I knew how much of an impact 944 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,799 Speaker 3: this was gonna have. I just knew it. And it 945 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 3: was like I know that once I tell this story, 946 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,319 Speaker 3: I'm gonna be you're gonna be beat up. This is 947 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 3: because again, like I told you when I first sat down, 948 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 3: that it's gonna be there's gonna be the negativity because 949 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:24,840 Speaker 3: they have to put that out there. They have to 950 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,520 Speaker 3: be negative and nasty. And that's okay. I'm used to that. 951 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,560 Speaker 3: Got You gotta have a thick skin when you're in 952 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:30,600 Speaker 3: this industry, as you know. 953 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:31,600 Speaker 1: I know. 954 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 3: But once I feel like there's a deal on the 955 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,640 Speaker 3: table that is right for me to be able to 956 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,800 Speaker 3: move out of my car, and I want to also 957 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 3: capture that, I want to capture you guys, go this 958 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 3: is the deal that came through for me. I can't 959 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,799 Speaker 3: really tell you right now what it is, but it's 960 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 3: enough to get me out of my situation and into 961 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,279 Speaker 3: a place because I don't want to just grab an 962 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,759 Speaker 3: apartment and it's like it's temporary. Then I'm be back 963 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 3: in this situation. So I want to know that all 964 00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,719 Speaker 3: my ducks are in a row and business is taken 965 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:00,920 Speaker 3: care of what it's supposed to. 966 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:05,399 Speaker 2: So yeah, I see a mini RV sponsorship. I see 967 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,840 Speaker 2: all kinds of things too, by the way, because I 968 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,520 Speaker 2: mean this didn't bring attention, like you said, it is 969 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 2: a whole community of people that are doing this, and 970 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,160 Speaker 2: it did bring attention to it. But what is a 971 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 2: deal that you would like if you could say, Okay, 972 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,160 Speaker 2: here's what I'm looking for to put it out there, 973 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:22,680 Speaker 2: what is something that Don is looking for? 974 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,400 Speaker 1: You've been through a lot, you've been through. 975 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,799 Speaker 2: I think the not good deals help you realize what 976 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:28,880 Speaker 2: you need in the future. 977 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:30,040 Speaker 1: What does Don want? 978 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,840 Speaker 3: Well, when I'm putting together my team already and I 979 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,640 Speaker 3: already have a boy, she does a lot of things. 980 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:42,480 Speaker 3: But Melanie, you know, yes, yeah, she's right here. And 981 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,359 Speaker 3: Melanie is like she's she's a ghost writer too. She's 982 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,120 Speaker 3: also doing a lot of She did the statement for me, 983 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,520 Speaker 3: so publicists slashed a lot of different things. 984 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,520 Speaker 1: And protector because you need that. 985 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,280 Speaker 3: Ye, yes, exactly. She's definitely protecting. But I would say 986 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,600 Speaker 3: the first looking at car life, there's a lot of 987 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,360 Speaker 3: things that I realized that I need it in my 988 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,600 Speaker 3: car that they're not there. So, in other words, it's 989 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,600 Speaker 3: stuff that you can storage and a car is different 990 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,360 Speaker 3: than storage and a home, and it doesn't work the 991 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,720 Speaker 3: same because your car is moving constantly and everything's sliding 992 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,440 Speaker 3: around and I'm like, oh my god. So I had 993 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:23,200 Speaker 3: the mindset to buy. You know, those things from Target 994 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,680 Speaker 3: that you can put down actually from dollartry, but in 995 00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,440 Speaker 3: your kitchen. You can put them in your cabinets and 996 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,720 Speaker 3: you cut them to the side and it stops stuff 997 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,080 Speaker 3: from moving around because it's kind of rubber eyes. But 998 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:34,879 Speaker 3: for the car, it still doesn't work in the car 999 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,319 Speaker 3: as well as it would. So there's things I call it. Well, 1000 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:39,960 Speaker 3: I'm not going to tell my story because if I 1001 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,960 Speaker 3: tell that, then somebody else will take my idea. But 1002 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 3: stuff for the car, car accessories that are not there, 1003 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,000 Speaker 3: you know, typically the way they would be in a house, 1004 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,839 Speaker 3: it's different for car. And then I think the first 1005 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 3: thing would be to do the story and put it 1006 00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,120 Speaker 3: out there. I don't know, because the book. You know, 1007 00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:59,600 Speaker 3: how when you watch a movie and the book is 1008 00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,719 Speaker 3: better than than the movie, I'm like, do I do 1009 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,520 Speaker 3: the book first, to do the movie first? I don't. 1010 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,080 Speaker 2: I don't know, Probably probably the book and then get 1011 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 2: the movie rights done. 1012 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,480 Speaker 1: And but you know, I mean, you know, but. 1013 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,920 Speaker 2: However you decide, I say, a documentary a book, and 1014 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,759 Speaker 2: then the movie based off of the book, and the 1015 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,000 Speaker 2: documentary you. 1016 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,759 Speaker 3: Know, well, the book, but the book can be the 1017 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,120 Speaker 3: script for the movie. 1018 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,440 Speaker 1: Right, that's hard because. 1019 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,080 Speaker 3: They can only get so much in a movie that 1020 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,040 Speaker 3: they can't get. The book has so much more. It 1021 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,480 Speaker 3: expounds on everything. Where you only have two hours or 1022 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,400 Speaker 3: two hours, two and a half hours for. 1023 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,120 Speaker 2: Well, that happens with books, like you never go to 1024 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:42,680 Speaker 2: get everything in the movie. That's why you got to 1025 00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,440 Speaker 2: read the book because you're not going to get them. 1026 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,920 Speaker 2: And sometimes they change the story a little bit for 1027 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,480 Speaker 2: it to make sense like in a movie. So you know, 1028 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,880 Speaker 2: that's why that's important. But I am really happy that 1029 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,680 Speaker 2: I can see you know you are in good spirits 1030 00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,480 Speaker 2: and as you know, as people were questioning, like what's 1031 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 2: going on here? Like I said, and I watched the 1032 00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,320 Speaker 2: full thing, so I understood where you were coming from. 1033 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,960 Speaker 2: But I know that clips can also influence people's minds, 1034 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,800 Speaker 2: people weighing in and and things like that. So I 1035 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,520 Speaker 2: appreciate you taking the time to even talk to me today. 1036 00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,160 Speaker 3: Well, thank you for even asking me. I just want 1037 00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:19,239 Speaker 3: to clear up though, because the whole ex thing, I 1038 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,319 Speaker 3: was like, what the heck is that I haven't heard 1039 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,560 Speaker 3: from this man. I don't know what he's talking about, 1040 00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,400 Speaker 3: offering me anything, and who the hell in their right mind? Again? 1041 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,839 Speaker 3: The fans took care of it for me, but who 1042 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,760 Speaker 3: in their right mind? You're an ex for a reason, 1043 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:36,000 Speaker 3: right right? Yeah, don't come and try to take my shine, Like, dude, 1044 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,279 Speaker 3: get your own. This is what I would have told him, 1045 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,239 Speaker 3: because I don't contact with him, But if I did, 1046 00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,879 Speaker 3: I would say, do you notice that I don't ever 1047 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,960 Speaker 3: come try to find you, I never email you, I 1048 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,399 Speaker 3: never look for you, and anytime I have something going 1049 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,520 Speaker 3: on here he comes slithering around like a snake. 1050 00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:50,319 Speaker 1: You know. 1051 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,520 Speaker 3: It's like, dude, I didn't what are you talking about? 1052 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,200 Speaker 3: And you had One fan said why couldn't you have 1053 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,320 Speaker 3: kept that between you and Dawn? Then if you offered 1054 00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,840 Speaker 3: her jo, why did you have to come to TMC 1055 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,879 Speaker 3: and tell them that? And then here comes TMZ asking me, well, 1056 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,919 Speaker 3: your ex husband offered a place for you to live, 1057 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,120 Speaker 3: or I offered you a job, and somebody else wants 1058 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,120 Speaker 3: to offer you a place to live. I don't want 1059 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,759 Speaker 3: anything from these people. I never asked. I have a 1060 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,080 Speaker 3: place to sleep every single night in my car, like 1061 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:18,720 Speaker 3: I've done for three years and protected myself exactly. You know, again, 1062 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,239 Speaker 3: once I have the situation that I want on my own, 1063 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,120 Speaker 3: then I'll take that and I'm not going to take 1064 00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:24,880 Speaker 3: it from you because I didn't ask you for it. 1065 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,439 Speaker 3: First of all, people sometimes, like I said, the control thing, 1066 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,440 Speaker 3: they want to lock you down, you know, and so 1067 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,680 Speaker 3: I would not do that. I would I don't talk 1068 00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:33,240 Speaker 3: to my ex. 1069 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,320 Speaker 2: Has anybody if I'm in Vogue reached out like watching 1070 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:36,920 Speaker 2: that or seeing that? 1071 00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:38,239 Speaker 1: Do you still speak to them? 1072 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,960 Speaker 3: Good question. I was shocked by that. But they probably 1073 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,799 Speaker 3: know I'm tired of going back and forth to the group. 1074 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,680 Speaker 3: Every single time I go back, I go back. We 1075 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,640 Speaker 3: have deals on the table that makes sense to me 1076 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,200 Speaker 3: and would make sense anybody else who has a brain 1077 00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,440 Speaker 3: in their hand. I'm sorry. I got to just speak truthful. 1078 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,200 Speaker 3: This is who I am. They picked the wrong deal 1079 00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,080 Speaker 3: every single time, and so they know that I'm not 1080 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,080 Speaker 3: going to come back and deal with the Shenanigans again. 1081 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,440 Speaker 3: So they probably like, Dan's not going to come back. No, 1082 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,759 Speaker 3: I told them the last time we had the opportunity 1083 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,440 Speaker 3: to do this the right way us. They Sindy and 1084 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,160 Speaker 3: Terry have a member in the group that she's very 1085 00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:15,960 Speaker 3: nice to me. Like I said before I did those 1086 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,600 Speaker 3: one hundred and five interviews in twenty twenty, very nice 1087 00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:22,520 Speaker 3: to me. Rona has never done anything nefarious or nasty 1088 00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,560 Speaker 3: in my direction. I like her. She's a very nice person. 1089 00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,920 Speaker 3: I just wanted to celebrate our fans with just the 1090 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,640 Speaker 3: four of us because Rona wasn't there from the beginning, okay, 1091 00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,120 Speaker 3: And I just felt like it was especially in what 1092 00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,640 Speaker 3: was it twenty twenty that was our twenty year anniversary? 1093 00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:42,440 Speaker 3: Was it? I think? So? I want no? Twenty ten 1094 00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,920 Speaker 3: was our twenty year anniversary. So I wanted to share 1095 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,560 Speaker 3: that with the fans, what we created from day one 1096 00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,800 Speaker 3: in the trenches, in living out of suitcases on the 1097 00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,480 Speaker 3: road and shaking hands, kissing babies and hugging fans. I 1098 00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:58,160 Speaker 3: wanted to give that to the fans ourselves without Rona around. 1099 00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,279 Speaker 3: And Cindy was like, it was just her and I 1100 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:01,959 Speaker 3: in the room, kind of going back to because Terry 1101 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,520 Speaker 3: kind of stands back and let's she lands the fire 1102 00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,239 Speaker 3: and then she acts like she doesn't do anything. So 1103 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,440 Speaker 3: she's sitting there and she always did that. That was 1104 00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:12,080 Speaker 3: Terry's m O. And I said to Cindy, she said, well, 1105 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,839 Speaker 3: don you know how she talks like don But you've 1106 00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,719 Speaker 3: only been with us for thirteen years. Rona's been with 1107 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,839 Speaker 3: us for thirteen years and you've only you were only 1108 00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,040 Speaker 3: with us for eight And I said, yeah, I understand that, 1109 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,719 Speaker 3: but Rona hasn't brought a hit to you guys, not one, 1110 00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,080 Speaker 3: and Maxie and I bring hits. I saying the biggest 1111 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,359 Speaker 3: hit that we have, Like, come on, I mean no 1112 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,680 Speaker 3: offense to Rona, but let's celebrate. When we did the 1113 00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,879 Speaker 3: Alicia Keys thing, I want to say two thousand and 1114 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,879 Speaker 3: seven or eight, the girls asked me to come back, 1115 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,480 Speaker 3: and Alicia Keys made it very very clear that she 1116 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,160 Speaker 3: wanted the original four right. She didn't want any stand in. 1117 00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,800 Speaker 3: She did no offense to anybody, but she wanted the 1118 00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,520 Speaker 3: Original four and the girls understood that, and they told 1119 00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,520 Speaker 3: Rona that she could not be there. Well, why is 1120 00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,560 Speaker 3: it that when Dawn says it, or the fans are 1121 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,919 Speaker 3: saying it, even they're not paying attention to that, they're 1122 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,400 Speaker 3: still ignoring it, like as if they don't hear what 1123 00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,399 Speaker 3: the fans are saying. The fans are making it very 1124 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:12,000 Speaker 3: clear that they wanted me, Maxine, Cindy and Terry, and 1125 00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,000 Speaker 3: I'm not going to be where I'm not wanted, So 1126 00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:15,760 Speaker 3: I'm not going to fight to get back into something 1127 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,080 Speaker 3: I've already come back every single time you guys ask 1128 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,440 Speaker 3: me to come back, and then you make stupid decisions 1129 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:21,799 Speaker 3: and I have to walk away. 1130 00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:26,040 Speaker 1: Well listen, give it it loose. That's what we. 1131 00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:32,240 Speaker 3: Said for your mind. Okay, just not holding on. I 1132 00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:32,840 Speaker 3: don't let go. 1133 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:39,000 Speaker 2: Letting go for every mood, okay, exactly. Yeah, all right, 1134 00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,120 Speaker 2: well don again. I appreciate you so much, and again 1135 00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,239 Speaker 2: you are an icon. So just a pleasure to be 1136 00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,160 Speaker 2: able to talk to you. And now everybody watch the 1137 00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,680 Speaker 2: YouTube and make sure they're paying attention and watching the blogs. 1138 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,120 Speaker 2: Let that at least set it off for everything else 1139 00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:54,880 Speaker 2: for you. 1140 00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,640 Speaker 3: Official Dawn Robinson it is and Seane is spelled s 1141 00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,719 Speaker 3: h y y e, so it's not I had to 1142 00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:03,720 Speaker 3: get a different spelling because the other ones were taken. 1143 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,760 Speaker 3: But it works just fine, Shine. 1144 00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,879 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I appreciate you so much. 1145 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:13,319 Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you, Angela, thank you so much. Way 1146 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:13,560 Speaker 3: up