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Speaker 1: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 2: I need a party ready, Donnie said storage.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's got like built in trastion.

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Speaker 2: He's got a little like.

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Speaker 3: A winelage, you know, a little wine fridge maybe, and

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Speaker 3: you know, like just the whole thing, like ready to party.

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Speaker 3: Well for beers to know. And I'm thinking to myself,

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Speaker 3: I can help him.

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Speaker 2: I take any of the top five quarterbacks over what

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Speaker 2: we've dealt with since Brady, and I'll scream if we

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Speaker 2: don't take Daniels. If May has gone at three, okay,

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Speaker 2: I'll just stop talking then.

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Speaker 4: You know, Mike likes Jaden Daiels. I like Jaydon Daniels too.

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Speaker 4: I'm with Mike, but doesn't mean that like you're wrong.

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Speaker 4: I don't know gang And he's too nice to just

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Speaker 4: say yeah, I don't buy it. Sucks And he just

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Speaker 4: doesn't like the squinting squinting because Mike is not sold

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Speaker 4: on Jayden and Daniel Paul.

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Speaker 2: You're doing is repeating what everyone else is saying, right right, Wow.

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Speaker 2: But you're doing it while you're eating.

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Speaker 3: A lemon and scret right, he's squinting.

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Speaker 4: I understand why you would think that he's not a

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Speaker 4: good prospect, Evan, because you don't know, like I know.

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Speaker 3: This is how people think.

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Speaker 2: I said, email said I went to Northeastern, and Paul saying,

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Speaker 2: I don't care that he went to Northeastern. I still

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Speaker 2: don't care about PFF stats.

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Speaker 4: You know how I usually say I never said that.

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Speaker 4: I am quite sure sure that I said exactly.

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Speaker 2: So every ball that each team has, you know that

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Speaker 2: the big ball bag here, it's infamous. This is Patriot's Unfiltered.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday, and

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Speaker 2: uh it's another edition of our show. It's Tamara, Paul, myself.

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Speaker 2: I assume Evan'll be bye later.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks an assumption.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is on vacation, yes, out in sunny California.

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Speaker 2: But we are now one week away from the draft,

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Speaker 2: and this morning Elliott Wolf had his pre draft you

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Speaker 2: know conference, something we hope will be now a tradition

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Speaker 2: for him in the years to come. But this was

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Speaker 2: his first one at the Helm, and I don't know

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Speaker 2: your thoughts. I thought he did well. Obviously didn't give

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a pleasant fellow.

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Speaker 5: I thought it was kind of great to hear him

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Speaker 5: say today, we're open for business, trading up, trading down,

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Speaker 5: And it sounds like if they aren't sure, it doesn't

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Speaker 2: Now somebody can say, well, Fred, what if they absolutely

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Speaker 2: It's all very exciting, and we are excited because on Thursday,

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Speaker 2: we're going to be live from the GP Atrium here

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Speaker 2: at Gillette Stadium. We'll be live at the draft party.

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Speaker 2: We're going to start our show at seven thirty, and

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Speaker 2: we are going to be live video all night, all

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Speaker 2: night on Patriots dot Com and the Patriots app. Video

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Speaker 2: all night will be live video on Social from eight

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Speaker 2: thirty to nine to capture the you know pick, assuming

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Speaker 5: I have sources have told me things.

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Speaker 2: Lens Lazar. I was gonna say Lazarre looking yeaheah yeah.

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Speaker 3: Nothing will talk Eric though nobelievable. He was so upset.

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Speaker 2: It's like it's like they start year. It was like

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Speaker 4: You know, because of all of that, you know, the

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Speaker 3: I just went to waste.

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Speaker 5: Speaking of you left yours? Where's the beast?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, beast? And I got my r lads. Okay, I'm

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Speaker 5: Fred looks like he's studying for the elsats.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, with his sweater, with the sweater and the full

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Speaker 2: The problem I can't remember this stuff. That's you guys.

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Speaker 3: Don't put me in evident in Mike's catch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I have to keep going back. What

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Speaker 4: Like I was laughing yesterday on my on one of

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Speaker 2: Oh, Barth is he's pretty good too. He knows his names.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, real happy for you. I can't remember the names.

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Speaker 4: I used to like, I tease them, I make fun

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Speaker 4: I'm not making fun of them at all.

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Speaker 2: It's it's part of the it's what their job is,

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Speaker 2: part of the process, and they should know all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: I do not know.

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Speaker 4: You know, hundreds and hundreds of players every year in

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Speaker 2: Well, Barth's is already starting on next year's and I'm

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Speaker 4: I feel like, if you, if you're like that, you

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Speaker 2: In the business.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean that with the teams, right, right, Go

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I was at Elliott Wolf's press conference. Two

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I thought the mood was optimistic and upbeat from the media.

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Speaker 4: I think the third pick is that lends that excitement.

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Speaker 4: like you said, Fred, you know, he was very He's

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Speaker 4: a very pleasant fellow. Obviously, he didn't tell you any

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Speaker 4: But you know, he was asked specifically. I think Ben

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Speaker 5: The wide receiver question was very interesting and was not

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Speaker 3: Karen Gregy.

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Speaker 2: He went down the offense and kind of left out

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Speaker 3: Well, no.

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Speaker 4: Karen asked him specifically if he felt like the there

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Speaker 4: was not enough respect being paid to his wide receiver

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Speaker 4: did address. He said, yes, and I feel like I

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Speaker 4: He said, yeah, that that needs to be.

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Speaker 2: I tried to have it shut off, but.

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Speaker 4: I agree with you that was kind of distracting, but

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Speaker 4: Elliott said that, yeah, yes, I feel like those rooms

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Speaker 4: that comment and the predictability comes well.

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Speaker 3: Well, obviously the role in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: You know you didn't say they're good players, Yes, I know.

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Speaker 5: Well, the question I think I forgot who was asked

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Speaker 5: you think the issue is with why you guys cannot

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, I can't tell you why, but he

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Speaker 2: I think we've developed quite a few, you know, he

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Speaker 2: b you know, when Brady was here, this was a

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Speaker 2: you know, because Brady was the playbook and he demanded

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's case by case. Yeah, but I would agree

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Speaker 4: I think that Brady was part of that. Now, there

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Speaker 4: I do think that that's been a problem with the coaches.

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Speaker 4: But this is a different coaching staff, right yep.

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Speaker 2: So that was that, And then of course yesterday you

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Speaker 3: It was Seth Wickersham, Van Nada and Jeremy fun.

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Speaker 2: About Bill's job search and the whole inside story of

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Speaker 2: you know, Robert Kraft kind of scuttled that job thing.

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Speaker 2: I think, Paul, you did a good job on ninety

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, I think that, you know, I agree. See,

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Speaker 2: what we knew. Like we knew Bill and Robert Kraft

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Speaker 2: and they had the parting of ways. And I don't

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Speaker 2: think that story added to that. Now, you know, Stacy James,

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Speaker 2: denied that. He said that in the two conversations that

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Speaker 2: Robert had with Arthur blank related to the job. That

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean like in the past Robert said, oh my

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Speaker 2: pain in the ass, you know, head coach, I can't

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Speaker 2: always trust him. He might have I don't know, but

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think it's I don't think Robert

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Speaker 2: about someone looking for a job too, like do something

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Speaker 2: that would harm that person getting the job, Like that's

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Speaker 2: HR one O one. You know, when you're asked for

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Speaker 5: Wait I did. I don't agree with that. I feel

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Speaker 3: Not allowed to do this.

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Speaker 2: No, that's HR one on one.

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Speaker 3: These days, you're supposed to say.

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Speaker 4: That or I'd rather just say I don't.

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Speaker 3: I'd rather not get rung.

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Speaker 2: So the reason that's what you're supposed to do, Well,

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Speaker 2: It's like, well, I can't give you a reference. You know,

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Speaker 2: I'm only allowed. Then it's like, well, he said good

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Speaker 2: You can't get painted into a corner by what you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think legally you're not allowed to give

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Speaker 2: If that person finds out that you were the reason

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Speaker 4: I think my larger point yesterday, I don't know if

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Speaker 3: No, I mean getting a job or.

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Speaker 2: The Robert Craft part was like this. Much of the story,

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Speaker 4: And I think that was more because of the structure

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Speaker 4: He was fine with just being the coach and all that.

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Speaker 4: But I think that the rich McKay's and the Fontinas

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think Arthur Blank looked at it and said, well,

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Speaker 4: it's I'm turning it over to Bill and then he

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Speaker 3: For what am I going to get? Two years? Maybe three?

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Speaker 4: And then I I'm right back in the spot and

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Speaker 4: And I think that the proof of that is in

440
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Speaker 4: this story. It said Blank, McKay and everybody else involved

441
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 4: was asked to write down their top three candidates, and

442
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 4: none of them had Bill. Yeah, so you tell me

443
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 4: that none of them had Bill because Roberts said, well,

444
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:13,439
Speaker 4: he's kind of tough to deal with.

445
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Speaker 3: I don't think that's true.

446
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, well why.

447
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 5: Did they It seemed like it was such a hot

448
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 5: lead and like flying him in back to back and

449
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:21,920
Speaker 5: like it seemed like he was going to be the

450
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Speaker 5: higher and all of a sudden it went high school.

451
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Speaker 2: Well from the story it said the second interview was

452
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,360
Speaker 2: just a format. It was just out of courtesy.

453
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so who knows all the details, it seems,

454
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,920
Speaker 4: but yeah, I just thought that. I just it was

455
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Speaker 4: another I thought, you know, good story from ESPN, But

456
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 4: I don't necessarily look, I don't necessarily link one to another.

457
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 4: And I think, you know, I always joke with you

458
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 4: like who.

459
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Speaker 3: Do you think said this? And who do you think

460
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 3: said that? This one kind of game from the Belichick.

461
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 2: Camp if you write reading the story, Yeah, and there's

462
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,880
Speaker 2: probably a little cover your ass yep part of it too,

463
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 2: like if Raheem Morris doesn't work out, well, we couldn't

464
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Speaker 2: hire because Robert Craft said you can't trust him.

465
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Speaker 3: You know.

466
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Speaker 2: But you know, again, I don't think if he said

467
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 2: that and they deny it, I think it was way

468
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 2: before Bill was ever looking for a job.

469
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Speaker 4: Maybe Rich McKay wants it out there, saying like, you know, yeah,

470
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Speaker 4: you know, well Robert told me that he wasn't really

471
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Speaker 4: to be trusted.

472
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Speaker 3: It's not my fault, right. I thought it was very

473
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 3: interesting timing that the story comes out in the morning,

474
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Speaker 3: then Bill's on McAfee in the afternoon saying that we're

475
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Speaker 3: I'm going to be on ESPN next week during the draft.

476
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Speaker 2: And you should notice that because that's how they operate

477
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Speaker 2: in ESPN. That is I.

478
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Speaker 3: I wonder who the source was for the Wickersham story.

479
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, like what, I understand both sides

480
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 3: of it. I just it's pretty cut and dry that

481
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 3: Bill was the source for the peace somebodybody at Bill's camp. Yeah,

482
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 3: which is fine. He's allowed to get his own.

483
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Speaker 2: The only difference between Robert Craft and Bill in this

484
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 2: regard is Robert will tell people himself what he's feeling

485
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 2: and Bill will have somebody do it for him. And

486
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 2: that's the only difference, you know. And we know like

487
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 2: nothing's new here, Like we know that they had that

488
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 2: they were had it with each other. It was time

489
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 2: to go, just like it was time for Tom to go.

490
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 2: Because he had had it. Folks, Let's grow up. Our

491
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 2: parents got divorced, all right, we have to deal with it.

492
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 2: We patrios fans have to stop being babies, we're being

493
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 2: bib our parents get divorced. We have to move on.

494
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 2: We have to pull up our pants and move on.

495
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 2: We have a new daddy, okay, And you know, in

496
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 2: a week we might be adopting a new sibling. And

497
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 2: I hope we welcome that new sibling into the family.

498
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,439
Speaker 2: This analogy to be drake, I don't know, but we

499
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 2: have to move on. We have to move on all

500
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,880
Speaker 2: that stuff, you know, whatever.

501
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 3: And so that was what we do.

502
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Speaker 4: We address everything. As you said at the start of that.

503
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Speaker 4: That's I just didn't really think it was all that.

504
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 4: I think some of those Wickersham pieces I've been really

505
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 4: sort of enamored with. This one was just kind of yeah.

506
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 3: Every time Seth Wickersham publishes something about the page.

507
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 4: But I saw the Dynasty, and I saw I saw

508
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 4: Robert saying basically, my head coach could be a pan

509
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 4: in the tush he said it, so like there wasn't

510
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 4: really anything that was causing me to stop in my tracks.

511
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Speaker 2: Oh, I can't believe that. The other thing I want

512
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 2: to put on the table and we don't have to

513
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 2: like get into it now, we can save it for later.

514
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 2: Is the whole NBA thing. I know the guy was

515
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 2: in the G League when it happened, but he what's

516
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 2: his name, He's been banned for life for betting on

517
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Speaker 2: the NBA, which is the only thing that Silver could

518
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Speaker 2: have done.

519
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 4: But you know, just be curious to see. Yeah, it's

520
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 4: easy to do with a G League player. And I

521
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 4: also thought poor taste from the NBA. And they're official

522
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 4: and their official release on this, the first lines is

523
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 4: a two way player, a player on a two way contract. Like,

524
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 4: so if it was, like I joked on the radio, yes, say,

525
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 4: if it was like Chris Paul, would it say, like

526
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 4: eleven time All Star although he never won an NBA title.

527
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Speaker 3: Although he's very overrated, Like would it include that?

528
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 2: Like?

529
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 3: Why why do we have to disminish the guy's ability?

530
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 3: You had a player in your league who bet on

531
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 3: the games. You did the only thing that you could do.

532
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 4: You don't have to like write and like, to me,

533
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 4: that was an attempt to sort to downplay it because

534
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 4: this doesn't happen with regular plays only only fringe guys

535
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 4: that are on two way contract.

536
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 2: Well, like you said just before, like what if it

537
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 2: was somebody like Lebron or Steph Curry, And I can

538
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 2: guarantee if it was, it would be like, well did

539
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 2: he really do it? And you know, lawyers would be

540
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 2: involved and it would be all drawn out and then

541
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 2: the interpreter there would be an yeah exactly, there would

542
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 2: be an investigation. Then we find out, well it wasn't

543
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 2: exactly Lebron, that'd be a cover up.

544
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 3: You know, absolutely, It's so easy to do.

545
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 4: And I listen, they did it, they did the right thing.

546
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 4: I'm not diminishing what they did. They did what they

547
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 4: should have done. But it's easy to do when it's

548
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:12,959
Speaker 4: a guy that's a French player.

549
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 2: But it's they had to do it, you have to

550
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 2: do it. And that's why I put it in writing

551
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: on the Twitter. I said that for these technically now, yeah,

552
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 2: for these betting sites, whether it's DraftKings, are FanDuel or whatever,

553
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 2: individual prop bets on unders should be outlawed. There's too

554
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 2: much control in the hands of the player for under.

555
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,479
Speaker 2: You can only bet on individual props for overs, not unders.

556
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 3: But so that's still no.

557
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 2: But like if I'm if I'm shooting X, at least

558
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: the coach can take me out if I'm going rogue.

559
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 4: But I could be going rogue, I'm hurting the team

560
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 4: I'm affecting, right, and so they the game.

561
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 2: But on UNDERS, I can like miss the shot, like

562
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,959
Speaker 2: I can still pretend I'm trying, or I can pretend

563
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 2: I have an injury so I can't play.

564
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 3: That's what he did, right, So, and I'm saying, so.

565
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's too much control in the hands of the

566
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 2: player for UNDERS.

567
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 4: You know, I think that they should probably pull back

568
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 4: a little bit on the amount of things that you

569
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 4: can add on in games. But in terms of the legalization,

570
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 4: I think this is an example of why it's good well,

571
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 4: because this is how you get caught.

572
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 2: And I think because of the legalization, there's more scrutiny.

573
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: Did this stuff happened before it was?

574
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 4: Of course it did, Like if he if he did

575
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 4: all this with Joey the nose, how are you?

576
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 3: How do you know today?

577
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 2: Exactly? Yeah, so I I you know, I'm not a

578
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: huge I can hear you drinking tea.

579
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 4: Yeah I'm not. I'm not a huge you know. Certainly

580
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 4: in game I would have no interest in like all

581
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 4: these prop in game, you know, second half, I'm not

582
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 4: a big fan of it. Obviously we can't do it anyway,

583
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 4: even if I were a big fan of it. But

584
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 4: I can't stand the the immediate pushback every time something happens.

585
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 4: Well there's this is what happens, right, The leagues get

586
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 4: in bed with the with draft kings and they're making

587
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 4: all this money.

588
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 3: This has always happens.

589
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 4: Now they're getting caught because there are safeguards against it

590
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 4: with these sites. That's how this guy got caught.

591
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 2: I know. And on one of your shows this morning, Paul,

592
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 2: my brain was starting to hurt because the conversation that

593
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 2: no one was listening to each other each other's point,

594
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 2: so I wasn't. On the show, somebody would make a

595
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 2: point and then the other person would argue something that

596
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 2: wasn't even the other person's point and was just killing me.

597
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 2: But one of the well, you know, they have logos

598
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 2: all over the floor, and how can you you know,

599
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: allow to have logo.

600
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 4: What I don't understand what one has to do with

601
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 4: the other exactly. You know, like there's a bud light

602
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 4: logo in every every arena. Should they allowed just be

603
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 4: allowed to be drinking while they're playing, right, Like, should

604
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 4: we just Well, that's what you get, Evan. You know,

605
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 4: if you're going to advertise for bud Light, then you

606
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 4: have to expect Drake may is going to show up

607
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 4: at the draft drunk, right Like, that doesn't that doesn't.

608
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,719
Speaker 3: Connect, right. It is an exciting day for him, So

609
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 3: I wouldn't mind it.

610
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 4: Yes, this is what happens when you get in bed

611
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 4: with the alcohol companies.

612
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: So, Evan, we talked about Elliott's press conference. What did

613
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: you think?

614
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was upstairs typing away. That's why I was

615
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 3: a little late to the show today. But I think

616
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 3: the biggest thing that I keep coming back to, whether

617
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 3: it's gamesmanship or not, is that they don't view this

618
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 3: as a two or three quarterback draft. They view this

619
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 3: as a six quarterback draft. And if you take it

620
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 3: all at face value, what Mayo said and what Elliott said,

621
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 3: trade down is very much on the table if they

622
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 3: get the right offer, I think, because I don't think

623
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 3: that they would be disappointed if they walked away from

624
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 3: this draft with Pennix or bo Nix or even a

625
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 3: little bit later JJ McCarthy or something like that.

626
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: I find that hard to believe.

627
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 3: I find hard to believe it could be. But I

628
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 3: just their whole thing has been draft and developed. Or

629
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 3: he said, we're a draft and developed team and accumulating

630
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 3: more picks would be good for us. She said that exactly.

631
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: That's fine, but I, you know, we were talking about

632
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 2: it before you got here. If they like JJ McCarthy,

633
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 2: if they really like him, and they don't take him

634
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 2: at three, I think that's wrong because there's no guarantee

635
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 2: that JJ McCarthy is going to be there later. At

636
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 2: the same time, I can't believe that they have six

637
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 2: quarterbacks rated.

638
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 3: Similarly, I don't necessarily think that they have him rated

639
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 3: exactly the same. But my guess similarly, I don't know

640
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 3: if there's any Bill left in that room, then they

641
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 3: probably do because Bill looked at guys and they put

642
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 3: him in buckets. You know, maybe a guy like Caleb

643
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 3: Williams is in a bucket by himself and they look

644
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 3: at him. As Bill says, all six or third round

645
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 3: picks exactly. I know you're being snarky, but he might

646
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 3: look at it and say the drop off, the drop

647
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 3: off from Drake May to Michael Pennix isn't really all

648
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 3: that much. And if we trade out of this pick,

649
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 3: it's not just looking at it as Drake May versus

650
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 3: Michael Penca Michael in the back, and I'm.

651
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: Gonna argue the reverse. Then don't take a quarterback at three,

652
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 2: any of them, any of them, because one of them.

653
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 3: Will be Evan's saying.

654
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 4: Evan's takeaway is he thinks that strongly in consideration that

655
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 4: they're not going to take a quarterback because they're gonna

656
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 4: go back.

657
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 2: I don't care if it's Jalen Daniels with Drake May.

658
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: If you believed that, then trade down and take somebody

659
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: and take a quarters But I can't believe that that's

660
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 2: that's hard for me.

661
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 4: I don't I think he was being I think they'll,

662
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 4: you know, we're open for business. I do think it's

663
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 4: interesting that he said, you know, trade down and trade up,

664
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 4: and I don't think necessarily trade up with the three pick.

665
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 3: It's trade up later in the draft. But they need players, Yep,

666
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 3: they need players, So I understand why they feel like,

667
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 3: quote unquote, they're open for business. It worries me that

668
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 3: they really feel that way about these quarterbacks because I

669
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 3: I don't think that these quarter to your point. I

670
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 3: don't think these quarterbacks are in the same tier. I

671
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 3: don't think they are in the same talent level, you know,

672
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 3: so it it worries me if they look at it

673
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 3: and say that bo Nix and Drake May are, well, okay,

674
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 3: we're good with.

675
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: Either me that other than Williams, they all need development.

676
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 3: I think all of them need development. Oh yeah, but

677
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 3: every single I think every player needs development.

678
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: I know, but like I mean, Caleb Williams needs something too.

679
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: But we know what we know like these other guys.

680
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 3: I think we know what we know for the most part.

681
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 3: With Jayden because he's twenty three, he's been in college

682
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 3: football for a long time. I think you know that

683
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 3: the skill set and what generally the warts are with

684
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 3: a player like that. With Drake May, it's it's obviously

685
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 3: a little bit more of an unknown because if he

686
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 3: can fix the mechanical stuff, he's gonna be an MVP

687
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 3: caliber guy. If he can't, he might bust out.

688
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: I think to me, there's enough ifs with all these

689
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: guys that they could all use a year.

690
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I heard someone say, if so hard with

691
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 4: these four quarterbacks because you just don't know. Someone this

692
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 4: morning on one of my shows, and I just look

693
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 4: at what was the year that came when you knew

694
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 4: about all the quarterbacks. Yeah, you just you never know

695
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 4: about these guys. That's why the you know, that's why

696
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 4: it's so high profile that people say, well, you take

697
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 4: those quarterbacks early in the draft and they all bust.

698
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 4: They don't all bust, but a lot of them do.

699
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 4: And that's why, because you never know, and it's a

700
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,959
Speaker 4: hard position to play. It's more high profile. And I've

701
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 4: said that a million times. If it's the quarterback, everybody

702
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 4: knows about it. When the tackle busts out in the

703
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 4: top ten, it's you know, no one remembers Andrew Thomas,

704
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 4: who got picked what three years ago and he's been

705
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 4: on three teams.

706
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. I just that's why I set the guy from

707
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 3: Tennessee and from Tennessee.

708
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 4: Who's the guy from Tenna? Now that's the Giants guy?

709
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 3: Interesting, Yeah, and Andrew Thomas Isaiah Wilson maybe, oh yeah, well

710
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 3: yeah he was, he was. That was a whole different situation.

711
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 3: But off field stuff, right, and you just never know

712
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 3: these things happen. Yeah.

713
00:33:58,360 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: I just.

714
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 3: Everything that they keep saying is about accumulating picks, being

715
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 3: open to trading down. And I get that they have

716
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 3: to say that to an extent with the gamesmanship and

717
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff, But with the Penix visit

718
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 3: coming in at last minute and all these different things,

719
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 3: I I still think that we all kind of think

720
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 3: stick and pick is is number one on the list

721
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 3: of possibilities, right, you know there's the highest chance of

722
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 3: that of that happening. I wonder if maybe it's a

723
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 3: little bit closer. What this opens the door for tomorrow.

724
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 4: Lenses? So I was I heard told you about this, No,

725
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 4: but I heard she wants to have a camera just

726
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 4: on you. Now, if we trade down, I need that.

727
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 3: I said that my my candid reaction. If you want to,

728
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 3: if you want to stage it that, then we can

729
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 3: do that. I'm not I'm not giving my cold, strange

730
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 3: reaction on our whatever thing she's got planned for me.

731
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 5: I mean everyone's going to see it. We're on video

732
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 5: during the pick.

733
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 3: That's true.

734
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 5: Your candid reaction is going to be captured no matter what.

735
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 3: So now you have to really think about it. What

736
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 3: a trade down wouldn't what they do. I'm not going

737
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 3: to be stone faced. A trade down wouldn't bother me

738
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 3: as much as sticking and picking McCarthy at three, I

739
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 3: think that would break me, honestly.

740
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 4: So that's interesting. We had a poll yesterday on my show,

741
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 4: and the fans agree with you. Yeah, that was exactly

742
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 4: the two options. Sit at three and take McCarthy or

743
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 4: trade down. And it was like seventy five five trade.

744
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 3: Down because I can justify the trade down. We're gonna

745
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,479
Speaker 3: do the long term rebuild. We're looking at it through

746
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 3: a lens of a couple of years. We're going to

747
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 3: get a bag. As Mao said, you know, you get

748
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 3: multiple first round picks for three, you don't love the

749
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 3: quarterback that you know whatever, But sticking and picking a

750
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 3: guy that is probably the twenty fifth best player in

751
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 3: the draft third overall, just because he plays quarterback for Michigan,

752
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 3: that that would that would ruin it for me. I'd

753
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 3: be out.

754
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 2: You'd be out.

755
00:35:58,440 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 3: I'd be out already, that's it.

756
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: I mean, take your Jersey mics and just take.

757
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 3: Five months in, I'd be out.

758
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 4: You can't take them, literally, how many times have I

759
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 4: been out twenty five years?

760
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 5: I mean, you did say in the beginning opener, Fred

761
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 5: that if we don't take Jane Daniels at three, you're

762
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 5: gonna scream, so you're gonna in the opening like for

763
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 5: the show.

764
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 2: I must have been kidding because I don't care.

765
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 3: It was actually pretty funny. You're like, they don't take

766
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 3: him out.

767
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: I'm not sold on any of these guys.

768
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 3: Well, there are some Jaden Daniels stuff. I know, we

769
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 3: usually do news off the top of the show Washington.

770
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 3: So so there's rumblings, legitimate rumblings. And this isn't coming

771
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 3: from me. I'm just saying. The Twitter spheres is talking.

772
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 3: The streets are talking that Jaden Daniels has been turned

773
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 3: off a little bit by his meetings with the commanders,

774
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 3: that he's not well. That was a week. Well, so

775
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 3: there's more, but yes, go ahead, Okay, So his agent there,

776
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 3: his agent was liking tweets of people that were criticizing

777
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 3: the commanders for how they did their Top thirty visits.

778
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 3: So I don't know if you guys know the whole story.

779
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 4: But I did show PREPV. I know what you're talking.

780
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 3: The commanders brought all four quarterbacks may Daniels, McCarthy, Pennox

781
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 3: to Top Golf together together. Yeah, I heard and did

782
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 3: like a community communal Top thirty visit where all of

783
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 3: them were together the whole time for the visit, dinner,

784
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 3: Top Golf, whatever, And it's basically just like a Bachelor

785
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 3: for quarterbacks, like who gets the rose here? And that's

786
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 3: how they went about it. And Daniels's agent has put

787
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 3: a couple tweets out saying that he is not thrilled.

788
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 2: Because Daniels lost at Top Golf.

789
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 4: Florio and Sims were critical of that, and the agent

790
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 4: was sort of quote tweeting in and liking it and stuff.

791
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 3: Not the first time that Jayden Daniels his camp has

792
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 3: made it clear that the commanders are kind of turning

793
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 3: them off a little bit.

794
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 2: Interesting, Well it.

795
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 3: Matter, probably not. They're probably still going to take.

796
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 2: Them, but well, but maybe they'd be someone that would

797
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 2: want to trade down.

798
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 3: Now, maybe they would take May.

799
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, if they liked May. But if they had their

800
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: heartset on Daniels, but they don't like what they've seen

801
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: now from Daniels, then maybe they trade out and go

802
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 2: for JJ McCarthy. I don't know.

803
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 3: This is what you do, yeah, but this is what

804
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 3: you do as a prospect to not get drafted by

805
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 3: a team. Right, You're not gonna come out. Jaden Daniels

806
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 3: is not going to come out himself and tweet commanders

807
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 3: don't draft me. But you just start to hear the agent,

808
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 3: You start to hear the parents, You start to just

809
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 3: hear people in his camp that are just kind of

810
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 3: leaking stuff to the media, like he doesn't really like

811
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 3: it there, he's not really thrilled about these guys. And

812
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden it becomes a thing. So

813
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 3: you think he wants to come here. I think that.

814
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 3: You know, there was a couple of different reports out there,

815
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 3: kind on record saying no for that. Yeah. He It

816
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 3: goes back and forth, I guess.

817
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: But well, Bill Belichick was on the Pat McAfee show

818
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 2: yesterday and that's exactly what when you get out from

819
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 2: away from the draft, it's all this A lot of

820
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 2: this stuff is the agents getting it out there, and

821
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 2: as you get closer day before day of the draft,

822
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: then you start getting the real stuff, you know, from teams,

823
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 2: But right now it's just agent talk and family talk,

824
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 2: and it's got a buzz.

825
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

826
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 4: I read a piece on looking back at Eli Manning

827
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 4: and his decision to sort of force his way from

828
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 4: San Diego to the Giants, and.

829
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 3: It was pretty well done.

830
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 4: It was on ESPN dot com and it just sort

831
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 4: of hit on all the details of that. But at

832
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 4: the same time, I was sort of wondering, like, that's

833
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,439
Speaker 4: a long time ago, that was two thousand and four,

834
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 4: and how come that doesn't happen more often? You know,

835
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 4: And you know, maybe this is, like Evan said, maybe

836
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 4: this is kind of Jaden Daniels's way of sort of

837
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 4: doing that. Maybe not feeling like he has the cachet

838
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 4: that the man family name had at the time, but

839
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 4: this is his way of trying to see if he

840
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 4: can dictate where he gets chosen.

841
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 5: That could really shake things up if the commanders do

842
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 5: trade back.

843
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to trade back that. I

844
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 3: just think that they might take May May. That's what

845
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 3: I think. Out of both teams, Commanders Patriots, the Commanders

846
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 3: are are definitely the one that are sticking more to

847
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 3: me than than the Patriots.

848
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 4: I'm starting to hear more and more consensus among various

849
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 4: scouts or you know, anonymous gms that it's Williams, May,

850
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 4: Daniels like in some order, Like I mean, it's Williams one,

851
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 4: Daniels in May and whatever order. But those three are

852
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 4: different than the other three So.

853
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 5: Do we think it's McCarthy's camp who's kind of like

854
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 5: pushed this narrative that people are pushing him up.

855
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 3: I think it's Jim Harbaugh did for you, thank you.

856
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 3: That's today Tuesday, that I really fully believe that Jim

857
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 3: Harbaugh is the one and that's pulling all the strings

858
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 3: on the JJ McCarthy stuff.

859
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 2: So that maybe there's a quarterback and not a quarterback

860
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: but his guy that.

861
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 3: He's trying to get quarterbacks to go one two things so.

862
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: We can get Harrison.

863
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:10,479
Speaker 3: Yeah.

864
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

865
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 3: Uh.

866
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,600
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867
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869
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870
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Speaker 3: All right, wow, you read that straight.

871
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 5: We'll just go Harba should trade his guy, trade for

872
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 5: his guy?

873
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 3: Then there's no chance. Yeah, but that's my that's my point.

874
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 3: I'm off and you take your guys.

875
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 2: I would would you give would you give two first

876
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 2: round picks for Herbert?

877
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 5: Mm hmm, you would like if you love JJ so much,

878
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 5: take them.

879
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 3: We'll take but That's That's why I feel like that

880
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 3: solidifies it for me. Of why I think this is

881
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 3: all Harbaugh trying to play the game behind the scenes

882
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 3: is because as talented as Justin Herbert is, and he

883
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 3: is extremely talented, he's won nothing in the league. So

884
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 3: if you think that JJ McCarthy is this Hall of

885
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 3: Famer in waiting that's gonna rattle off three super Bowls

886
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 3: or whatever, I mean, that's an exaggeration, but you get

887
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 3: my point. Is it really that outlandish to do what

888
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 3: Tamara is thinking that he should do?

889
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 2: Right?

890
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 3: I mean, Harbaugh, Herbert is, right now, just another one

891
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 3: of those, you know, until he got to the Rams,

892
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 3: like a Matthew Stafford type that has all these physical

893
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 3: ability but hasn't one lick. So if you like your

894
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 3: guys so much, then trade Herbert for a bag and

895
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 3: take JJ.

896
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 5: I would be all in for Justin Herbert being the

897
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 5: Patriots next franchise.

898
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 4: Would you trade to do it?

899
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 3: Like? Three and no? Three? Yeah? Three and twenty fives

900
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 3: first round pick? And I'm for Justin Herbert? And do

901
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 3: I do I get anything back from the Chargers?

902
00:42:59,760 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: No?

903
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 3: Besides Herbert?

904
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 4: No, you'll get nothing in like it probably not no.

905
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 3: I just think they just have too many holes. Like now, I.

906
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 4: Agree that with that, but I think one of them

907
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 4: that you fill is key.

908
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 5: It's key, and it's like you don't have.

909
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 3: To throw and coaching him not necessarily about this year,

910
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 3: it's like I have this guy. Now, I feel like

911
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 3: I can you know, I can make picks. Maybe I

912
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 3: can attract other guys. Maybe I'm in the wide receiver

913
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 3: market with the veterans that we talked about on Tuesday. Yeah,

914
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 3: I mean he's a top ten talent at the position

915
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 3: in all football in my opinion. But I just went

916
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 3: off and said that he hasn't won anything, so just

917
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 3: getting Justin Herbert by himself. The Chargers have Justin Herbert

918
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 3: by himself and he hasn't. He's made the playoffs once.

919
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 5: But I feel like half of that, look though, is

920
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 5: his coach making some really interesting decisions on fourth down

921
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 5: and also his defense just not being able to stop anything.

922
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's tough.

923
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 5: It's tough to say it's all Justin Herbert and why

924
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 5: he hasn't won anything because his coach loves to go

925
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 5: for it on.

926
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 4: For you, you could ask me in three years and

927
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 4: I could have a vastly different opinion.

928
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 3: You know, I I Tomara's right, but I think that

929
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 3: the things that you heard about Herbert coming out were

930
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 3: he's this like surfer dude, you know, like it's just

931
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 3: not really all that important to him, and he doesn't

932
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 3: necessarily have this that all the intangibles that people talk

933
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 3: about JJ McCarthy where he's this winner and leader and

934
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 3: you know, just all this stuff. Like it was the

935
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 3: opposite with Herbert that he was just kind of chilling.

936
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: Interesting if Harbar actually did, you know, put his money

937
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: where his mouth is, But I don't know, I don't

938
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: think so.

939
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 4: And he what a blockbuster blockbuster that.

940
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 2: Would make for a really really great to stuff. We

941
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 2: need something to happen Thursday. It's like, oh my god,

942
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 2: and you know, everything's buzzing and all the all the

943
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 2: social media is going crazy and not necessarily a bad thing,

944
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: like allowing me tunsel. You know, I felt bad for him,

945
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 2: but like just a blockbuster trade or like something like that.

946
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: Kevin Costner Knight, Yeah, on drafted.

947
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 5: Do you think it's possible that the Vikings could want

948
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 5: a quarterback so bad that they would give someone Justin

949
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 5: Jefferson like to trade up? But see that the quarterback exactly.

950
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you that's why you want the quarterbacks so bad.

951
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 2: It's because we have a receiver now, just need the quarterback.

952
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 4: And the only way that I would see them trading

953
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 4: him is if Jefferson has told them in no uncertain terms,

954
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 4: I am not coming back. You can do whatever you want.

955
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 4: I don't care what you offer me. I'm not coming back.

956
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 5: That's true, could be.

957
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 4: But I mean, I don't think that's happened, and I

958
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 4: I just think that you need to get your quarterback

959
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 4: that you're going to get to have someone like that

960
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 4: to throw.

961
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: Web radio at Patriots dot com. Is the email address?

962
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 2: Anything else? I'm leaving out before we We've covered a lot,

963
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 2: we've taught, we've said a lot.

964
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, we did a lot on on the Wolf press conference,

965
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 4: and we talked about the story.

966
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 3: That's when you kind of came down. Yeah, the story.

967
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 3: You know, Bartha and I got got some heat yesterday

968
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 3: for catch twenty two because I just you know, guys

969
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 3: know me, I can't be bothered with this kind of stuff.

970
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 3: Like if you it's totally fine, if this is what

971
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 3: you're into and you want to talk about the drama people.

972
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 3: Of course, attacked me saying that I couldn't talk about

973
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 3: it because he's my boss and like all this kind

974
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,959
Speaker 3: of stuff. But it's just ultimately to me, there's seven

975
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 3: days to go before the draft. This is like my

976
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 3: super Bowl. Like I'm not I'm really not thinking about

977
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 3: some Seth Wickersham story that he published about Robert.

978
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 4: I also don't think like catch twenty two is that

979
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 4: that's not what?

980
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 3: So that's that's what we said. We said, this.

981
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: Isn't two, not catch heat.

982
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know there were no forty times in

983
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 4: that story mat or Sham, no no heights weights for

984
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 4: his stop Watch out, no press corner talk, and so

985
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 4: that's what we said.

986
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 3: We said, this isn't the show for it. Alex is

987
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 3: on different shows. I'm on this show. We'll talk about

988
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 3: it in other platforms for him.

989
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 4: I got a that a boy from Fred for how

990
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 4: I handled it yesterday on my shows.

991
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 3: Good job. I don't ever remember getting an boy for

992
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 3: anything ever.

993
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,240
Speaker 2: Els in Wisconsin, Fred, are we really still blaming Brady

994
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: for wide receivers not working out? Really? Brady was the

995
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 2: only one that kept them in the NFL. It was

996
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 2: the inability to draft wide receivers. None of them were

997
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: good enough to be NFL players, either physically or mentally period.

998
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 2: I wasn't blaming Brady. I was just explaining that I

999
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 2: think because of Brady, this was a you know, in

1000
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 2: his later years, was a pretty sophisticated offense.

1001
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't think you blamed Brady.

1002
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 2: No, you know, again we're being so sensitive.

1003
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 4: He's right, I mean, the email is right. The problem

1004
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 4: has been the identify identifying the right ones in the draft.

1005
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and I.

1006
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: Go, I should have had his Brady picking his own wide.

1007
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 3: Receiver, but I but I did that.

1008
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 4: We do this a lot, really, we do this a

1009
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 4: lot with the old guys that like, you know, these

1010
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 4: old quotes, like you know, everybody throws stuff back in

1011
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 4: Bill's face, like from that two thousand and nine documentary,

1012
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 4: I just can't get this team to play. How much

1013
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 4: mileage have you gotten out of that quote? It is

1014
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 4: a good quote, but this is you know, Bill never

1015
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 4: says anything, so when he says something that resonates, you know,

1016
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 4: you use it over and over again.

1017
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 3: Well.

1018
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 4: One of the things with this on this topic with

1019
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 4: wide receivers that I always point to is that book

1020
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 4: that had details of the Falcons Chiefs trade with Julio

1021
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 4: Jones and Jonathan Baldwin. Classic, right, and that's Bill. Like

1022
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 4: to me, that summarized Bill's mentality, Like, that's why when

1023
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 4: I said I was being snarky about the quarterbacks only

1024
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 4: a little. I think there's probably some truth.

1025
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 3: To how he feels. Oh yeah, I mean Julio Jones. Yeah,

1026
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 3: he's pretty good. He's better than Baldwin. But what's the difference.

1027
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 3: What's the difference?

1028
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 4: Well, one of them is going to be a Hall

1029
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 4: of Famer and one of them is going to be

1030
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 4: out of the league in two years. And you don't

1031
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 4: know the difference. And I'm not saying it's easy to

1032
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 4: know the difference even for no. But even for a

1033
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 4: Hall of Famer, you know, the best who's ever done it.

1034
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 4: Like Bill, it's not easy to understand to identify everyone.

1035
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 4: But I think that he feels like that, Why would

1036
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 4: you go to that guy and trade all of this

1037
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 4: for that guy when this guy's probably seventy eight of

1038
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 4: that guy? Why would you do that?

1039
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think the wide receiver conversation is always interesting

1040
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 3: and the thing that I go back to with it,

1041
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 3: especially at the top of the draft, is that they've

1042
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 3: always picked guys that were extremely raw route runners for

1043
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 3: a system that was a highly complex and centered around

1044
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 3: route running. Like the guys that succeeded in this system

1045
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 3: were Wes Welker Edelman, you know, even recently like a

1046
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 3: Jacobe Myers. Right, Like, you have guys high IQ's great

1047
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 3: route runners, like all those types of things, and then

1048
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 3: they draft Nikhil Harry or they draft Taekwon Thornton and

1049
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 3: they're asking those guys to create separation at the top

1050
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 3: of the route and understand sight adjustments and post snap

1051
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 3: you know, coverage indicators and things like that. It's like,

1052
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 3: what do you why? You know? And we go back

1053
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 3: to this draft. It's a completely new offensive system. So

1054
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 3: maybe that changes that those raw talents can develop in

1055
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 3: an Alex Van Pelt offense. But if it's still gonna

1056
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 3: have similar sort of things, then like one of your guys, Fred,

1057
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 3: like Alad McConkey, you know, that guy would make a

1058
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 3: lot of sense. You know, some of these guys would

1059
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 3: make a lot of sense more than you know, a

1060
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,439
Speaker 3: guy that's just a raw physical talent. And I think

1061
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 3: that's where I keep you know, Chad Jackson. Another example

1062
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 3: from all the way back it's just like, why are

1063
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 3: you drafting that guy?

1064
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Speaker 6: And we are back with another edition of the PU

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Speaker 6: Halftime Show. Matisse Baalman here joined by Chris Cassy, and

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Speaker 6: we got some trivia. As always, Chris, don't answer it,

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Speaker 6: I might Question one, send your answers to Weber Patriots

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Speaker 6: dot com. Malcolm Butler super Bowl winning inter game clinching

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00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 6: interception against the Seahawks. Who was the pass intended for?

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Speaker 8: All right?

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Speaker 6: I know this, Yeah, don't answer it, Bud, all right?

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Speaker 6: Who was Russell Wilson's pass intended for?

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00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 5: That?

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Speaker 9: Malcolm Butler intercepted?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 9: Question two?

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Speaker 6: Who scored the first Super Bowl points in Patriots team history?

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Speaker 9: All right? Just points? All right?

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Speaker 6: That's your hint and question three. In nineteen eighty six,

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Speaker 6: the Patriots defeated Los Angeles Rams on the hail Mary

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Speaker 6: pass from Tony Easton for a final second thirty to

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Speaker 6: twenty eight win.

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Speaker 9: Who caught the winning touchdown pass?

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Speaker 8: Yours?

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Speaker 9: That nineteen eighty six. All right, it's even before my time.

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Speaker 9: There is what you say?

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Speaker 8: Super Bowl?

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Speaker 9: No, just regulars.

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Speaker 6: I don't know what to say, but anyways, Chris, all right, guys,

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Speaker 6: send your answers to webreeo Patriots dot com. Today we're

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Speaker 6: going to talk about some player rivalries. All right. You know,

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Speaker 6: NFL gets heated. It used to be crazy back in

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Speaker 6: the day, you know, early thousands, nineties. But Chris, we

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Speaker 6: just want to talk about some you know, maybe some

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Speaker 6: famous incidents or player beef. Could be team on teams,

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Speaker 6: some team on team crime.

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Speaker 10: Here.

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Speaker 6: You know, we got we got McNabb. Let's start with

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Speaker 6: McNabb and Torell Owens. Okay, all right, go ahead, But

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Speaker 6: do you remember that I.

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Speaker 8: Don't really know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 9: You don't know the VF at all.

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00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 8: Maybe a little bit let me start talking about.

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Speaker 6: I mean, listen, I was a little bit. I was

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00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 6: pretty young then too, but pretty much for you. Yeah, bro, yeah, god, Chris,

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00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 6: come on, come on all right, no you no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 6: we'll go.

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Speaker 9: Do you want to want me to do that one?

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00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 10: I don't know the full I mean we should just

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00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 10: talk about the biggest one first, you do the biggest one.

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Speaker 6: Well, Brady and Manning, all right, fine, I love that. Alright,

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00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 6: go for it, Chris Brady, Brady Manning.

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Speaker 10: Tom Brady and Paynon Manning. Too many too many games

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Speaker 10: to count where they were neck and neck. I mean,

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Speaker 10: Brady I think came out on top most of the matchups.

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Speaker 10: He did, But I mean that rivalry. The best part

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00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 10: about it was just it was between him and Manning

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00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 10: like they were rivals to everybody. Oh yeah, So when

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Speaker 10: they went head to head before Manning retired, it was

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Speaker 10: just must watch television.

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Speaker 9: Like there was always high yeah everything. It was usually

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00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 9: always a great game exactly.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: The one that stands out to me was the three

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00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 6: and the back to back AFC cham Yeah. I just

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00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 6: remember Peyton Manning's jersey just covered in green because he

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00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 6: got beat up.

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Speaker 8: That Which one was it?

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Speaker 10: There was one that was closer than the other, right,

1159
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 10: it was a have to look I thought there was

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00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 10: one game where they knocked the socks off of the.

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Speaker 9: Three one cults, for sure, but regardless, that is classic.

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Speaker 6: That's just classic NFL lore there, you know, it's it's

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Speaker 6: just funny because Brady ended up playing like almost ten

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Speaker 6: years longer. But I mean, just those guys must watch TV,

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00:54:59,560 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 6: as you.

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00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 8: Say, almost all of you Frasier football.

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00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 6: Oh honestly, And it was just so great and it's

1168
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 6: just so funny that they kept it going. I mean,

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00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 6: Manning went to the Broncos and it was still same

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00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 6: thing over and over. But all right, Chris, I got

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00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 6: Donovan McNabb and too pretty much. They had an unreal

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Speaker 6: season and oh four and you know, went to the

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00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 6: Super Bowl appearance against the Pats and I forget what

1174
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 6: game it was. It was late season, too. Messed up

1175
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 6: his ankle pretty bad. There's actually a good thing on it.

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00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 6: He talks about like fractured ankle. He's like, just get

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Speaker 6: to Super Bowl, be ready. And my guy went off

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Speaker 6: against us.

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00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,240
Speaker 9: Like if we didn't win, he was gonna be Super MVP.

1180
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 6: And obviously there's some parts of the story don't know,

1181
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 6: but McNabb allegedly wasn't too ready, threw up on the field,

1182
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 6: and then you know, McNabb actually said some stuff to

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Speaker 6: the media.

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00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 9: You don't talk about man's money.

1185
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 6: And I don't know if you've for seen it, but

1186
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 6: that's where Teo was doing sit ups in his driveway.

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00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 9: You've seen that. Come on, I.

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00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 6: Actually don't know if I have all right, Well, once again, Chris,

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00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 6: you got some homework to do, but uh no, that's

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00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 6: that's just an internal one.

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00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 9: But Chris, we also got some others.

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00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 8: Like that Super Bowl though I was only what four.

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00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, but I mean that's just NFL lore there. You

1194
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 9: just know that.

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00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, all right, we got we got some

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00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 6: other rivalries and you know, we can also talk about

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00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 6: team matchups here. When I just think of NFL rivalries,

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Speaker 6: I go to the NFC North those games, Browns, Steelers,

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00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 6: Ravens versus anybody. I mean, once again, another Brady thing there,

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00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 6: Tom Bravers, ray Lewis, Tom Ravers, Turell sucks.

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00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 9: Chris, do you want to get in that at all?

1202
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 10: I mean, ray Lewis is arguably one of the greatest

1203
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 10: line linebackers of all time outside of LT. Yeah, and

1204
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 10: that back and forth. They got into it a lot,

1205
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 10: especially the line of scrimmage. If they ever ran into

1206
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 10: each other, you knew that they were gonna go.

1207
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 8: Face to face.

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00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 3: Uh.

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00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 8: The NFL just lived for those type of moments.

1210
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 10: But again, just a lot of scenarios where Brady just

1211
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 10: had a little bit more juice in them than the

1212
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 10: than the other guys.

1213
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 6: You got Brady Lewis, you got Brady Suggs. You know

1214
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 6: he used to say Sugs versus Uggs also for your time.

1215
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 6: But also just the thing you want to talk about

1216
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 6: that is that doesn't really happen in the NFL anymore.

1217
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 6: You know, it's all about the offense all the time,

1218
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 6: and so like these guys aren't allowed to hit anymore.

1219
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 6: So that's one of the dying rivalries we see there.

1220
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 6: But also let's get into some of the cornerbacks here.

1221
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 6: You'll know this one, Odell Beckhams Josh Norman. Yeah remember that. Yeah,

1222
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 6: that was one of the best ones, and that probably

1223
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 6: won't happen again. These dudes are just scrapping on the field.

1224
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 6: You have OBJ visibly did not like each other in

1225
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 6: their prime, OBJ with the blonde mohawk. Josh Norman at

1226
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 6: that point was probably one of the best corners in

1227
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 6: the league. Yeah, just going at it.

1228
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 10: What's funny is just you know that interaction, Like I

1229
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 10: feel like, even to this day, I don't even know

1230
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 10: if they would.

1231
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 8: Like each other.

1232
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 10: I think there was just clear hatred on the field.

1233
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 10: I mean they're throwing each other around like rag dolls.

1234
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 10: They weren't even playing football. I don't even think Obj

1235
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 10: had a good game. Oh he had a great game,

1236
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 10: did he? Yeah, I mean he went on. Norman was

1237
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 10: just super frustrated about it. But from what I remember,

1238
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 10: just throwing each other around like like it was nothing.

1239
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 10: And the amount of flags thrown in that game and

1240
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 10: amount of times referee to step in was very funny.

1241
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 9: I mean she scored a touchdown and stepped over him.

1242
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I do remember that.

1243
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 6: And then before that we had Andre Johnson Courtland Finnegan

1244
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 6: where that was a big scrap and I don't know

1245
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 6: if that was because you know that was that might

1246
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:29,959
Speaker 6: have been pre red zone. I was watching too many

1247
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 6: Textans First Titans games at that point. But I do know,

1248
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 6: I do know Audrey Cortland Fittigan was such a pain

1249
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 6: paid in the in the ass for every receiver in

1250
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 6: the league that I'm pretty sure some players actually been

1251
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 6: uh joined together to pay the fine for Andre Johnson

1252
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 6: because they were like, thank you for doing this.

1253
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:50,439
Speaker 10: Yeah, I was just absolute leech on the field, would

1254
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 10: not leave him alone.

1255
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 6: But you know what, like, I'm more of an OBJ

1256
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 6: guy had uh Audrey Johnson, but I want my cornerback

1257
00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 6: start and stuff like that.

1258
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 9: So that's where you look at for Niceta.

1259
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 6: You don't want, but you don't want to get, you get,

1260
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 6: you don't wan get kicked out of gave.

1261
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 8: You do a fistfight with Andrew Johnson.

1262
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 6: You gotta keep your cool. But Chris, that was a

1263
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 6: quick fun when we got there. Guy others real quick.

1264
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 10: I had one more in mind, but I literally just

1265
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 10: left and it's bothered me that I forgot.

1266
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 9: That's it's gone into the radio universe.

1267
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 6: All right, guys, thanks for tuning in. Let's get back

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Speaker 12: When someone accidentally threw away the school play.

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Speaker 2: Costumes, oh No.

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Speaker 12: Replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery,

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Speaker 2: Easy to drink, easy to enjoy. Bud Light the official

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Speaker 2: beer sponsor of the New England Patriots. We're gonna be

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Speaker 2: at the GPA Trim for the draft party next Thursday,

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Speaker 2: and I believe that's sponsored by bud Light.

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Speaker 3: Can we have a bud Light? All? Will you be

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Speaker 3: having a bud Light if you give the okay?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 3: Would that be allowed? I mean, what do you think

1336
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 3: is going to happen?

1337
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 2: I think once we make our pick, these.

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Speaker 4: Teams get in bed with the alcohol companies that we're

1339
01:02:57,840 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 4: supposed to be drunk on the airy.

1340
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Speaker 3: I'm all in.

1341
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 2: Once we make the pick. Oh you know, take the

1342
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 2: gloves off, let's go. Little Trivia's ready picked.

1343
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 3: Thursday Trivia Long Night?

1344
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 2: Who was it? Who was the intended receiver for Russell

1345
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 2: Wilson's pass that was intercepted by Malcolm Butler in Super

1346
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 2: Bowl forty nine? Cardin Lockett, that's correct. Who scored the

1347
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 2: first Super Bowl points in team history?

1348
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Speaker 3: Tony Franklin.

1349
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 2: That's right, the only yeah at the time, the only right.

1350
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 2: They only had three points in that game, right, ten.

1351
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 3: He scored the first. It's fifty six to ten, right

1352
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 3: the late forty four to ten, forty four to ten.

1353
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Speaker 2: In eighty six, the Patriots defeated the Los Angeles Rams

1354
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 2: on a hail Mary pass from Tony Easton for a

1355
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Speaker 2: final second thirty to twenty eight win. Who caught that

1356
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Speaker 2: winning touchdown pass?

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Speaker 3: Serving Friar?

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Speaker 2: That's correct.

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Speaker 3: Okay, these ones were not fun because like only Paul

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Speaker 3: and you know the answer to.

1361
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Speaker 2: These, I dodn't know answer to any of them, well.

1362
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Speaker 3: Or I knew were cardin Lockett.

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Speaker 2: Web Radio at Patriots dot com is the email address.

1364
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 2: Aaron writes in from Bonnie Dune, Australia. Just wanted to

1365
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 2: share a bizarre dream I had the other night involving

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Speaker 2: you guys.

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Speaker 3: Oh cut.

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01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 2: It mainly featured Mike and Evan from memory, but I'm

1369
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 2: pretty sure the rest of you were there too. We

1370
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 2: were all at the draft party when Washington picked May second. Overall,

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01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 2: I felt sick to my stomach and Mike and Evan

1372
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 2: went absolutely nuts and started yelling and screaming at everyone

1373
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 2: like the crazy end of the world preacher.

1374
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 3: Did you know that reference sounds like me?

1375
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 2: The season was over now, the team was ruined, and

1376
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 2: the organization had sacrificed the next fifteen years for a

1377
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 2: meaningless win on Christmas. It was such a strange and

1378
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 2: concerning thing to dream about, as I can't decide whether

1379
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 2: I want may or Daniels, and it changes depending on

1380
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 2: who I listened to. In that a radio show in

1381
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 2: its host would play such a major role, I guess

1382
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 2: that's what happens when I have spent around fourteen days

1383
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 2: total last year listening to you. Anyway, till next time,

1384
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 2: Thanks for all the great content, and inside really appreciate it.

1385
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 2: I can't wait for the off season topics and stay

1386
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 2: out of my dreams. I should have had better things

1387
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 2: going on here, but I don't.

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Speaker 3: Okay, get out of my dreams, get into my car.

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01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 3: I see nice that that that's a plausible scenario.

1390
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 4: So Fred, Yeah, you know, the young uns don't know

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01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 4: that we often pop up in listeners dreams.

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01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 2: We have interesting It's true, and I've also shared some

1393
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 2: dreams that.

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Speaker 3: I've yes, we don't need to get back into those, okay.

1395
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 2: And then Junior from Canton says that you threw him, Evan,

1396
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 2: you threw him under the bus.

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Speaker 3: You throw him some shade. I have no idea what

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01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 3: that means.

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Speaker 2: He says. I emailed in yesterday for Catch twenty two.

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to say that Evan really threw me

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01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 2: under the bus. While reading my comment about Jad and Daniels,

1402
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,439
Speaker 2: I realized it was a long email, but you didn't

1403
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 2: communicate any of my points and made my argument against

1404
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 2: him sound stupid.

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01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 3: Come so I'll try again. Wrote a column. Do you

1406
01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 3: how much do you want me to?

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01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 2: He'll summarize it. One six year starter who didn't pop

1408
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 2: until his last year. That part when he had first

1409
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 2: round receivers in Linemen that should be a red flag.

1410
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 2: Burrow was the exception, not the rule. Two average arm

1411
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 2: talent who avoids the middle of the field, which is

1412
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 2: usually code for bad processor. Three. When Daniels uses his legs,

1413
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 2: he never looks to throw, often ignoring wide open receivers

1414
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 2: and four dynamic runner. But he takes hillacious hits and

1415
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 2: has a small frame.

1416
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,919
Speaker 3: Well either you really watch the film where he read

1417
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 3: my film review on Jaden Daniels. But yeah, those are

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01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 3: all legitimate concerns that I think everybody has with him.

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01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of stats out there with

1420
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 3: Jaden Daniels about how often he either scrambles or takes

1421
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 3: a sack but doesn't actually make a throw right, like

1422
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 3: it just in terms of when he gets pressured and

1423
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 3: he's got to make a decision, his instinct is to

1424
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 3: try to run or escape the sack, and ultimately he

1425
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 3: either picks up yards with a scramble or he gets sacked. Right.

1426
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of concerns with those types of

1427
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 3: things with Jayden Daniels, But I think ultimately, do they

1428
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 3: outweigh the skill set on the strength side of things

1429
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 3: so much that you are passing on him, I would

1430
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 3: say no, But I understand why you would be concerned

1431
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 3: about him over may or, you know, in this whole conversation,

1432
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 3: But in general, I just think that the talent that

1433
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 3: he does have is overwhelmingly good. So I don't think

1434
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 3: that you're gonna sit there and say these are fatal

1435
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 3: flaws that were passing because of this.

1436
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 2: Okay. Colleen writes in about Jaden Daniel's agent We're talking

1437
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 2: earlier about him liking something about not liking what the

1438
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 2: commanders did. He said the agent liked the comment, saying

1439
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 2: that he only tweeted the Florial video because he was

1440
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 2: disagreeing with the take.

1441
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 3: That's called putting the toothpaste back in the tube.

1442
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 2: But he liked. He also liked the comment that was

1443
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 2: saying basically, who the f cares how they interact with

1444
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 2: players that won't they won't play with, and that no

1445
01:07:56,120 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 2: companies do that. I think he does hate what Washington did,

1446
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 2: but wanted to cover himself by liking a comment that

1447
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 2: he was actually disagreeing with the take and not with

1448
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 2: what Washington did.

1449
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 3: He caught he quote tweeted Florio's rant about how stupid

1450
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 3: it was with the thinking face emoji. How is that

1451
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 3: code for I disagree with this?

1452
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 2: Okay?

1453
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 3: It was? It is odd.

1454
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 4: Don't you think that an organization would have four guys

1455
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 4: in it once at the same position?

1456
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 2: It was odd, Like, Okay, you're overthinking this, You're trying

1457
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 2: to be cute and do it.

1458
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:35,719
Speaker 4: Chris Simas made the point, it's like, you know they'll

1459
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:37,440
Speaker 4: never all be together again.

1460
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 2: Right, Well, I think their point is who was the alpha.

1461
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 3: One hundred percent like I got honey mustard. Sorry, guy,

1462
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 3: get that tide pan out.

1463
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the type?

1464
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 3: I one hundred percent agree with you, Fred dan Quinn.

1465
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 3: He might he was a decent coach with the Falcons,

1466
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:58,520
Speaker 3: and maybe he's a decent coach again with the Commanders,

1467
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 3: But what a hard oh walk. He just walks around

1468
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 3: with the backwards hat all the time, and now he's

1469
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 3: doing this to do exactly what Fred just said.

1470
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 2: I don't trust. I don't trust any grown man who

1471
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 2: walks around with backward caps. I don't even like tennis

1472
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 2: players who wear the cap backward deuce.

1473
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 3: And I saw him in the airport in Indie on

1474
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 3: the way back from the combine with a backwards hat.

1475
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,759
Speaker 3: It's not so, it's not just for show.

1476
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 2: Like what are you doing? Like grow up? You know,

1477
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:29,480
Speaker 2: like you know your skateboard days are gone, they're behind you.

1478
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 3: You're just anti backward hat? Yeah, yeah, ungrown men.

1479
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 2: Like if kids want to wear an eighth grader, okay,

1480
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 2: but you're a grown man, wear the cap right, it's

1481
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 2: got a brim for a reason. If you don't like

1482
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:46,599
Speaker 2: the brim, you know, don't wear a cap. I don't

1483
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 2: like it.

1484
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 3: I don't like it either, but just busting the jumps, okay, Boomer.

1485
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 2: He said that Ramon in Tampa has a question, when

1486
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 2: did the Brady Peyton? Right, I've already really start. My

1487
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 2: understanding is that Brady wasn't Brady until later in his career.

1488
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:06,680
Speaker 2: So when was it a must schedule in tune in

1489
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 2: rivalry nor?

1490
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 3: I think four? Yeah, so three was the first playoff

1491
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 3: game they beat him.

1492
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Patriots beat him in three, and then you

1493
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 4: know it was I think it was on at that point.

1494
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and you know it's it's fair to say

1495
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 2: it was Brady Peyton, but really it was Belichick Peyton.

1496
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 2: You know, it was Belichick's defenses that were giving. Wasn't

1497
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:30,520
Speaker 2: Peyton manning fits?

1498
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 4: What was it the Patriots like beating him thirty eight

1499
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 4: thirty four on a regular No, but you.

1500
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 2: Know ty Law with you know, three interceptions and all,

1501
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 2: and you know, in.

1502
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 4: Willie's goal right in the thirty eight thirty four game,

1503
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 4: that's exactly the game I was thinking.

1504
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 2: Polion complaining that the defenders are you know, too handsy

1505
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 2: and trying to change the roles the Polion.

1506
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 3: He calls him, Okay, I just want to make sure

1507
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:56,679
Speaker 3: that the listeners knew who we were talking about.

1508
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 4: Now, believe me, they know because this is not new.

1509
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 4: But his whole thing. Poland used to call him the Patriots. Yeah,

1510
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 4: he referred to him as the Patriots. So that was

1511
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 4: that was Fred's wade.

1512
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to call us the correct name.

1513
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 4: Oh, I do not like the person, but I respect

1514
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 4: the ability. Just built three championship caliber teams.

1515
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:23,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, what he has. He's right about that.

1516
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:25,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I don't like him.

1517
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 3: I like him. I don't like him. I don't like him.

1518
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 3: I don't like his act.

1519
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 4: No, I don't know if that's really what he is

1520
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 4: or if it's like some kind of tough guy act

1521
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 4: that he persona that he tries to portray.

1522
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 3: I don't like that.

1523
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:39,640
Speaker 2: I'll never forget O. Six after they beat us in

1524
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 2: the AFC Championship, him running down the hallway, this is

1525
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 2: our time. The Patriots had their time, this is our time.

1526
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 2: And he's like yelling, and it's like it's like we

1527
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,719
Speaker 2: you know, we owned him, you know, we own space

1528
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 2: in his head.

1529
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 3: I feel like that when he came out, didn't he

1530
01:11:58,200 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 3: come out and say that they had like a really

1531
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 3: high grade on Brady in the draft.

1532
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 2: Oh I think he did.

1533
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.

1534
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 4: I don't recall him.

1535
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 2: Why did you take him?

1536
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1537
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 4: That was they had Manning.

1538
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:10,600
Speaker 3: But but that but that was when he officially.

1539
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 2: Take him in the fifth round.

1540
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:13,559
Speaker 3: If he's so good, that's when he officially lost me

1541
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 3: because I was like, oh, yeah, you're the one. You know,

1542
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 3: you're the one that didn't you know, saw him as

1543
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:19,560
Speaker 3: a second round pick when everybody else thought he was

1544
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 3: a Day three. See.

1545
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 4: I generally that's how I feel about all those guys

1546
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 4: that come out and I tell you I dismiss all

1547
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,640
Speaker 4: of it. Oh you're yeah, you you thought he was

1548
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 4: better than everybody else. Oh how did his career? Oh

1549
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 4: he's the best that ever played. Like if you tell

1550
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:38,679
Speaker 4: me that you had a higher grade on I don't

1551
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 4: know Zach Robinson than anybody else.

1552
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 3: Who's Zach Robinson? Yeah?

1553
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 4: Okay, so now at least you being honest, like I

1554
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:48,839
Speaker 4: tell you right, Like I like David Terrell over Richard Seymour,

1555
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:50,560
Speaker 4: Like I tell you the ones that I miss just

1556
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 4: as much as I tell you the ones I hit.

1557
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's it's like Peter King, you know, when he

1558
01:12:55,040 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 2: was retiring from s I and talking about you know,

1559
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 2: the missus he's had, and like they're these like missus

1560
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 2: like anyone could have.

1561
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 4: Right, Remember, like the things that he was supposed to

1562
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 4: be making fun of himself were nothing that anybody would

1563
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 4: be even wasting an ounce of sleepover, right, losing an

1564
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 4: ounce of sleepover. Just it's not that hard to just say,

1565
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 4: you get some right, you get some wrong when you

1566
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 4: make when you get them wrong, Like this Adam Schefter

1567
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 4: thing that was that on air or off he still eating.

1568
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:26,679
Speaker 3: No, we didn't talk about it now.

1569
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 4: Right, No, like evidently schefter. Evan said he saw a

1570
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 4: tweet from Schefter.

1571
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:30,639
Speaker 3: He's kind of.

1572
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 4: Walking back the definitive nature of Daniels to Washington at

1573
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 4: number two.

1574
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 2: I was just about to reach okay, go ahead, yeah

1575
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 2: uh Floyd and Redford, Michigan, even after Adam Schefter telling

1576
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 2: Commander Fans that it's safe to purchase a jade and

1577
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 2: Daniel Jersey, Daniel Jeremiah is personally leaning toward Washington, selecting

1578
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 2: Drake May In all three of his previous mod dress

1579
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 2: Jeremiah has May going number two and Daniel's going number three.

1580
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 2: Conspiracy theory, is it possible that Washington is trying to

1581
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:02,599
Speaker 2: pull the Jason Tatum trade down. Is it possible that

1582
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 2: Washington is trying to get the Patriots to trade up

1583
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 2: to number two for Daniels knowing that they have preferred

1584
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 2: May the whole time.

1585
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 3: I don't.

1586
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 4: I don't know why there has to be a conspiracy, Yeah,

1587
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 4: I mean at two, when you're at two, I don't

1588
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 4: know why you have to be like trying to foster

1589
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 4: a conspiracy.

1590
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. I still just don't understand that piece of it,

1591
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 3: like the commanders moving around the board now to still

1592
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 3: get the quarterback that they want like the Celtics did

1593
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 3: with Tatum. I just I don't really understand that. One

1594
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 3: I don't see the logic is.

1595
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 4: The point that they're trying to get the Patriots to

1596
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 4: think that they want May. Right, So if that's it,

1597
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 4: they're trying to get the Patriots think they want, they're

1598
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,760
Speaker 4: gonna take Daniels. But if the Patriots wanted Daniels, they'll

1599
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 4: trade up, yeah to get.

1600
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 3: Daniels or May. Yeah, same thing.

1601
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 4: Like, it doesn't make any sense to me because in.

1602
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 2: Other words, they think they know who the Patriots want,

1603
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:00,640
Speaker 2: and they want the Patriots to think in order to

1604
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 2: get that have to trade up the spot.

1605
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 4: But if they're willing to trade, then they don't want

1606
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 4: them exactly right. That's why I just don't think it

1607
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:13,599
Speaker 4: works when you when it's the same guy, it doesn't work.

1608
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 4: But now, if you want to tell me, I know

1609
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 4: Minnesota loves Drake May, Okay, that makes sense, I'm willing.

1610
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:21,720
Speaker 3: I don't.

1611
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 2: I don't.

1612
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:24,679
Speaker 4: I don't need Drake May, so I'll trade with Minnesota.

1613
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 4: But that doesn't make any sense for the Patriots.

1614
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 3: Daniel Jeremiah's had Drake May as his number two quarterback

1615
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 3: the wire to wire, like the entire process. So I

1616
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 3: think to him, he's just thinking. I don't have any

1617
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 3: inside information on the Commanders necessarily, but I just can't

1618
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 3: imagine that they're just going to pass on the second

1619
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 3: best quarterback in the draft for no I agree.

1620
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 4: And the part that I found interesting was I a

1621
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 4: chefter starting to walk it back, you know, well that

1622
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 4: was just my opinion. Well, no, you're telling fans that

1623
01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 4: they should, you know, feel safe to go buy a

1624
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 4: Jayden Daniels Jersey.

1625
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. I's only I said this before about Schefter. When

1626
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:08,839
Speaker 2: he's giving his opinion, he has to be clear because

1627
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 2: we all assume that we all assume that his opinion

1628
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 2: is based on knowledge that he has, right, you know.

1629
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 4: And but my point is when you come out and

1630
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 4: you emphatically say the Patriots wouldn't trade Jimmy Garoppolo for

1631
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 4: four first round picks, right, that's not your opinion, right,

1632
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,639
Speaker 4: and we understand you're only as good as the information

1633
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 4: you get. I don't think that he made that up.

1634
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 4: I think the Patriots said, under no circumstances we trade

1635
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 4: in Garoppolo, right, and then things changed, so they you

1636
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:42,600
Speaker 4: know whatever. So instead of saying, like, well, it's just

1637
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 4: my opinion, the same thing with this, like I have

1638
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 4: no doubt that someone in Washington definitively told them they're

1639
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 4: taking Daniels and now he's probably getting nervous about it. Yeah,

1640
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 4: and he's trying to cover his tracks. There's no harm

1641
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 4: in that. Like, no one's going to all of a

1642
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 4: sudden say, well, jeez, when does Schefter get it right? No,

1643
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 4: he gets it right over ninety percent of the time.

1644
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 4: He's as good at that stuff as anybody.

1645
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 2: Yep, Barton Poland, I know the question is more suited

1646
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 2: for Barth, but I listened to Cast twenty two on demand.

1647
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 2: Are we seriously saying that Penix without the injuries, is

1648
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 2: a top five pick, because all the draft experts like

1649
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 2: Brugler seem to be saying that he is a second

1650
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 2: to third round talent on tape alone without accounting for injuries,

1651
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 2: but will be probably drafted in the first.

1652
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 3: Well, to be fair, Brugler, his grade isn't impacted by

1653
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 3: the injuries. Yes, that's totally unfair. Yeah, so Brugler graded

1654
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 3: him as like a second third round prospect with the

1655
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 3: whole thing.

1656
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 4: But based on his tape. But like his tape is

1657
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 4: impacted by the injuries, right right, that's not fair.

1658
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 3: It's not him saying based off of talent alone, Pennix

1659
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 3: is a second round pick, third round pick. Now, Barth

1660
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:57,640
Speaker 3: is of the thinking that if the Patriots do not

1661
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 3: take Pennix early, that he's gonna go in the teams

1662
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 3: to one of the quarterback needy teams like the Raiders

1663
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 3: or the Vikings, you know, one of those types of teams.

1664
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 3: And I just push back. You know, we had a

1665
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 3: classic debate that neither one of us is gonna budge

1666
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 3: on and I just with the injury history, I just

1667
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:20,840
Speaker 3: can't imagine a team is going to take a chance

1668
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 3: on a quarterback that has that kind of injury history

1669
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 3: that early, you know, early second round pick is one thing,

1670
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 3: but to take a guy that's had four season ending

1671
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 3: injuries with the sixth overall pick if you're the New

1672
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:35,599
Speaker 3: York Giants is just I can't get there, Like, I

1673
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 3: just can't imagine that the team would do that. So

1674
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 3: we were talking about trade down scenarios, and I was saying,

1675
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 3: I'd be cool with Penis being their pick if he's

1676
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 3: not the first pick they make in the draft. If

1677
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 3: they trade down from three to eleven with the Vikings

1678
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 3: and they take Roma Dunza at eleven and then they

1679
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 3: take Pennix at twenty three, then I'm cool with that,

1680
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 3: but I'm not doing the reverse. And he said, well,

1681
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:03,919
Speaker 3: then you're not gonna get Penis, And I was like, okay,

1682
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 3: I'm not sure about that.

1683
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, but you also have to be okay

1684
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 4: with that. Like I like Panis, but I don't love

1685
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 4: them like the other guys. Yeah, you know what I mean?

1686
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 2: Yep, Anthony writes in and where is he from? Doesn't say,

1687
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 2: oh Seattle. With one week remaining before the draft, I

1688
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 2: wanted to throw my preference out there. I've reached the

1689
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 2: point similar to deuce where I'm all in on May

1690
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:28,960
Speaker 2: or else trade down. If Daniels is there at three

1691
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 2: and they take him, I could get myself excited about

1692
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 2: the abilities. But if it was my choice, I would

1693
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 2: want to trade back to six with the Giants and

1694
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 2: get the extra picks. Then, assuming they take Daniels, I'll

1695
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 2: take the remaining player out of allt Harrison or neighbors.

1696
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:50,639
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, yeah, I mean I do think that because

1697
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 3: my preference induces preference. This whole time has been May,

1698
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 3: We've kind of cooled a lot of people off on

1699
01:19:57,080 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 3: Jayden Daniels, like by you know, stake almost you know,

1700
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 3: I I think that, you know, Jayden Daniels is a

1701
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,679
Speaker 3: is a really talented prospect, and and a lot of people,

1702
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:10,760
Speaker 3: you know, these consensus boards that come out or you know,

1703
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:13,799
Speaker 3: we pulled ten league executives and this was their rankings

1704
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 3: of the quarterbacks, A lot of it has has Jayden. Two.

1705
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:19,559
Speaker 3: Let me ask a question, but like by micro in

1706
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:21,560
Speaker 3: the same tim.

1707
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 2: If you were like a league executive and one of

1708
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 2: these places called, would you give them the time of day?

1709
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 3: Who's calling?

1710
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 2: I mean, like if like like you know, Jeremy Taller

1711
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 2: calls or you know, any of these people doing polls.

1712
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, no, I would. I would call that. I would,

1713
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 4: I would be I would take part in that.

1714
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 2: You would?

1715
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, why because when I'm out of a job, it

1716
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 4: helps to have those guys, Okay, trumpeting on my behalf.

1717
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 4: That's not I'm sorry on my behalf.

1718
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:50,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. I guess that's a good point.

1719
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:52,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I would.

1720
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:54,559
Speaker 2: Paul's a good guy.

1721
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wouldn't necessarily, you know, be eager to get

1722
01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 4: back to Paul Perillo if I you know, if I

1723
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 4: was chiming in, I can't do anything for him.

1724
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1725
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 4: But like those national guys when they put together their

1726
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:09,840
Speaker 4: you know, uh rising Star every December, you see these names,

1727
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:11,559
Speaker 4: and half of them, you know, if you're looking at him,

1728
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 4: you don't even know who they are. Yeah, And I

1729
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 4: think to myself, well, that's one of anonymous gms. That's

1730
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 4: when a follow is an anonymous decision maker. Yeah, that's

1731
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:20,679
Speaker 4: how it works.

1732
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 2: But it just seems like there's no shortage of these

1733
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 2: guys willing to take part in these little off the

1734
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:29,799
Speaker 2: record polls and surveys, and well.

1735
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 3: It is off the record, so I guess there's really

1736
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 3: no threat.

1737
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 2: Right, but like I'm like, yeah, I'm busy, I don't know.

1738
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 3: I also really like so Bob McGain every year writes

1739
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:42,680
Speaker 3: like the dirt on on the prospects, like what's the

1740
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 3: real dirt on some of these guys, And he's usually

1741
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 3: pretty spot on, And there'll be guys that will just

1742
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:50,800
Speaker 3: randomly fall in the draft. On draft weekend we're all like,

1743
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 3: how is this guy still on the board? Dwan Jones like,

1744
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 3: how is this guy still on the board? And McGinn

1745
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 3: would have had, you know, a week ago that the

1746
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 3: guy you know would rather be playing basketball and doesn't

1747
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 3: give a crap about football, you know, like stuff like that.

1748
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 3: And so you know, there was some stuff in there

1749
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:09,360
Speaker 3: about my guy, Adie Mitchell being kind of a you know,

1750
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:12,640
Speaker 3: hot and cold in terms of his personality and you know,

1751
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:15,679
Speaker 3: his effort level and things like that. And Jermaine Burton,

1752
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 3: one of your guys, was in there about uh, you know,

1753
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:20,120
Speaker 3: his off the field transgression.

1754
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 2: So let's see wide receiver from Alabama. Yeah, I mentioned

1755
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:24,840
Speaker 2: him first.

1756
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we talked about him on the draft countdown pot.

1757
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:31,760
Speaker 2: But oh, okay, this is months ago. Believe me, I'm

1758
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 2: the wide receiver whisperer in this room.

1759
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 3: Okay, did you have last year? I forget, I forget

1760
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 3: I had slave Bolden. No, but I have, I have.

1761
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:44,640
Speaker 2: I have a good history.

1762
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:47,679
Speaker 4: Of See this is this is unfortunate because I can't

1763
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 4: make fun of you this year because the guy that

1764
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 4: you fall in love with that has no talent actually

1765
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 4: has talent.

1766
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 2: And I fell in love with him.

1767
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 3: Conky is a good last year. I like him.

1768
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm a little bit intrigued with Johnny Wilson.

1769
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:02,599
Speaker 3: I know I like that from you too, paus out

1770
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:03,679
Speaker 3: because of the body type.

1771
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 2: But I just want to see what he can do.

1772
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:08,639
Speaker 3: He's I just think he'll be a tight end before

1773
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:09,679
Speaker 3: he's an enigma.

1774
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,240
Speaker 2: If you can catch what you call him, you can

1775
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 2: call him a you know, uh, extra lineman. If he's

1776
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 2: catching balls, then.

1777
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 4: Well, if you were an extra alignment, I'd be interested

1778
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 4: in I'm serious. If he's I'd be interested in him.

1779
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 4: But I'm sure he can't wide receiver.

1780
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 3: When you pull up his bio and you see six

1781
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 3: six two and thirty pounds, you're thinking yourself, all right,

1782
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:31,680
Speaker 3: this is gonna be like Kelvin Benjamin. You know it's

1783
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:33,759
Speaker 3: gonna be a guy that's just gonna post heize people.

1784
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 4: Another guy who was good for like two years.

1785
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 3: He's nothing like that.

1786
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 2: See, people are gonna think, oh, you just read that.

1787
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 2: And now I remember him when BC played them, and

1788
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:45,559
Speaker 2: I remember seeing him in the end zone. I'm like,

1789
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 2: who the hell is that guy.

1790
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a big dude, but he can move.

1791
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 4: There's something to be said for the all airport guys,

1792
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:54,719
Speaker 4: you know, the guys that are impressive in a suit.

1793
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 3: He can move. It's saying I have never had the

1794
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:01,639
Speaker 3: all airport that killed me the arrival.

1795
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 2: I didn't.

1796
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:05,519
Speaker 3: I've never heard that.

1797
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:06,799
Speaker 2: I'll give you your flowers.

1798
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 3: Oh thank you.

1799
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:07,679
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1800
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 3: The all airport guy in this draft, for sure isms

1801
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 3: Georgia Like he comes off the bus out man and

1802
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,720
Speaker 3: you're just like, holy crap, I am not messing with

1803
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:19,639
Speaker 3: the quarterback today.

1804
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 5: You know, I think DeAndre Sway is also an airport guy.

1805
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, but dev Andre's sweat also likes to drink a

1806
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:31,599
Speaker 3: little too much, so you know, there's some concerns though.

1807
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:38,240
Speaker 2: Chad in Atlanta, I could have read this vague answer incorrectly. Sorry,

1808
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 2: I could have read this incorrectly. But when asked whether

1809
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:43,759
Speaker 2: you stay at three or move somewhere. Do you feel

1810
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:45,800
Speaker 2: like a quarterback has to be the pick? Elliott Will

1811
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:48,599
Speaker 2: said no, So it seems like they may not be

1812
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:50,720
Speaker 2: all in on a quarterback, even if it's in a

1813
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 2: later round, which is kind of alarming but could also

1814
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 2: be a smoke screen.

1815
01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that all everything that he's he's trying

1816
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:02,759
Speaker 3: to cast as wide to have a net as possible

1817
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 3: right now so that you can't read too many tea

1818
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 3: leaves about the things, and he wants.

1819
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 2: To leave all options open for other teams. Yeah, you know,

1820
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:14,560
Speaker 2: like Dradd said, if somebody calls offering a bag, well listen.

1821
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 5: Do you think they'll offer this bag like the day

1822
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 5: before the draft or they'll actually wait until the.

1823
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:24,000
Speaker 3: Thing that's interesting is that historically speaking, those major move

1824
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 3: ups would have already happened, you know, like the ones

1825
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:31,320
Speaker 3: like going from eleven to three, you know from Minnesota.

1826
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 3: Those deals would have already happened. But I think this

1827
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 3: draft is unique because of everybody's got these quarterbacks stacked differently.

1828
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 3: So like if the Commanders and everybody knows that Caleb's

1829
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:44,400
Speaker 3: going to the Bears, but if the Commanders end up

1830
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 3: taking Jaden and the Vikings really like May or they

1831
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:49,160
Speaker 3: end up taking May and you know, the Giants really

1832
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 3: like Jaden like it.

1833
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:52,599
Speaker 2: But in terms of strategy though, especially in the first

1834
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 2: round high if I'm the team wanting to move up

1835
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:59,040
Speaker 2: and I've got the bag to offer, I think I

1836
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 2: wait until Draft day because if I tell them what

1837
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 2: my bag is the day before, now they have time

1838
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 2: to shop that around. But if I do it on

1839
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 2: Draft Day, they're under the gun. And if I think

1840
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:11,840
Speaker 2: the bag really is an amazing offer, I want the

1841
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 2: pressure on them to have to say yes.

1842
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:13,800
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1843
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 3: You know.

1844
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 2: So I think there's to me, there's value in if

1845
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 2: I'm the team moving up waiting so that they don't.

1846
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:23,840
Speaker 2: They can't counter my they can't go shop it around

1847
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 2: and do better.

1848
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 3: I mean when the forty nine ers moved up for

1849
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:28,679
Speaker 3: Trey Lance, that happened like a couple weeks before the draft.

1850
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 3: Elliott just talked about it, right so the BYU Pro day. Yeah,

1851
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 3: So like those types of moves usually, if it's that

1852
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:38,600
Speaker 3: big of a jump, that usually happens before.

1853
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:43,920
Speaker 2: Robin the cat Skills just wondering what if, after all

1854
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:47,800
Speaker 2: the Patriots evaluation they really want Panix, what would their

1855
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 2: draft look like? Where would they take him, and what

1856
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 2: else would they need to surround him with? So then

1857
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 2: that's an absolute trade down. That's how I look at yeah,

1858
01:26:57,640 --> 01:26:59,599
Speaker 2: because you're gonna be able to get him mid first

1859
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 2: round pretty much for sure.

1860
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:04,599
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, I would probably try to trade down

1861
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 3: with Minnesota at that point and get eleven and twenty three,

1862
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 3: and then if you really have to move back up

1863
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:13,320
Speaker 3: from twenty three, then you just got this bag of

1864
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:16,200
Speaker 3: assets to maybe make a three or four pick move

1865
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 3: up to move up instead of just having thirty four

1866
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 3: to move up. Now you have you can move up

1867
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 3: from twenty three. Whole nother pick. Yeah.

1868
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 2: Kyle rights in from Pembroke. A couple questions on the

1869
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 2: draft three Actually one, who do you think are the

1870
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 2: best fits for the Patriots at tight end on Day three?

1871
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 2: This would have to be an Evan question.

1872
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:42,160
Speaker 3: So the titands in this draft are a pick your

1873
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 3: flavor thing.

1874
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:47,240
Speaker 4: After Brock Bars, I was gonna say, after Barros, when's

1875
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:49,280
Speaker 4: the next the next tight end could be?

1876
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 3: Win?

1877
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 2: Probably?

1878
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:53,240
Speaker 3: I would say probably third. You know, Jatavian Sanders probably

1879
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:55,559
Speaker 3: goes in the second round, and then you know a

1880
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 3: couple guys in like the third or fourth round and

1881
01:27:57,400 --> 01:27:58,840
Speaker 3: then late, you know, flyers late.

1882
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:02,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't not just because the class isn't great.

1883
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not big on tight end and like, so, okay,

1884
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 4: so you take a fifth round tight end, what does

1885
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 4: that mean?

1886
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 2: Nothing?

1887
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:11,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the ones that help your tight end

1888
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:14,360
Speaker 3: depth chart the one thing that it might help. And

1889
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:15,880
Speaker 3: this is why I said it was a flavor draft.

1890
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 3: It's because there are there's guys that are you know,

1891
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 3: Jahem Bell, Dalen Hooker, those are kind of those h back,

1892
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:23,439
Speaker 3: you know, move tight end types. But then there's a

1893
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:25,920
Speaker 3: guy like Tip Raymond who is a hand in the dirt,

1894
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:29,520
Speaker 3: sixth offensive lineman, like a two hundred and seventy.

1895
01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 2: Five, and this offense they might need that.

1896
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 3: So that's where if you're looking for how could that

1897
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 3: guy help, it's situationally, right, he's he's your blocking tight

1898
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:40,519
Speaker 3: end on the goal line, he's your third down blocking

1899
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:43,719
Speaker 3: tightand on third and one, you know, he's this week,

1900
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 3: this game plan, we want to come out and we

1901
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 3: want to run the ball. You know, he's on the

1902
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:49,680
Speaker 3: field to help block. So I think that some of

1903
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 3: these guys that are going to be more receiving tight

1904
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:55,080
Speaker 3: ends later on in the draft probably don't make much

1905
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:57,760
Speaker 3: sense with Hunter Henry still around, but maybe a guy

1906
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:01,280
Speaker 3: like Tip Raymond or the A. J. Barner from Michigan.

1907
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 3: Those guys are you know, six six to fifty plus,

1908
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:05,959
Speaker 3: you know, blocking type of guys.

1909
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:08,320
Speaker 4: Right, And I would just take one of those guys

1910
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 4: that's a diamond dozen sitting around right now and just

1911
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 4: sign him and then have him do that and not.

1912
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 3: Wayte perfectly fair. I think you know Raymond to me,

1913
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 3: if you want to look at like, what what could

1914
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:21,519
Speaker 3: he you know, Farah Brown, you know, like that type,

1915
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:23,240
Speaker 3: that type of guy, perfect example.

1916
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:24,679
Speaker 5: I wish we could have kept him, honestly.

1917
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:27,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's guys like that that are easily available. Yeah,

1918
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 4: and I think you could get some depth at other

1919
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:36,599
Speaker 4: spots that you need, you know, in those And listen,

1920
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:38,679
Speaker 4: I'm not telling you like, well, you can't the fifth

1921
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 4: round pick, it's so valuable, That's not what I mean.

1922
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:43,520
Speaker 4: I'm saying you can get offensive linemen.

1923
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 3: And you know, yeah running backs in.

1924
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 4: Those in those rounds, and you get a running back

1925
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:49,760
Speaker 4: in those rounds that that might be able to be

1926
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 4: a bigger need for you.

1927
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 2: Ye, are there any true free safeties that you guys

1928
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:56,479
Speaker 2: would like the Patriots to target.

1929
01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 3: There are two free safeties in this draft, which is

1930
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:03,439
Speaker 3: not normally the case recently because of the way a

1931
01:30:03,479 --> 01:30:06,519
Speaker 3: college game plays nowadays. But you know, I really like

1932
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 3: kayaln Bullock from USC, but he's probably gonna be a

1933
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:10,600
Speaker 3: Day two pick, like you're gonna have to use a

1934
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:13,200
Speaker 3: top one hundred to get him.

1935
01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:13,439
Speaker 2: You know.

1936
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:16,839
Speaker 3: There's some other guys though, that I think could be interesting.

1937
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:19,920
Speaker 3: You know Taylor Demerson. I always butcher his name because

1938
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:24,080
Speaker 3: it's like ten syllables. He's an interesting guy too, from

1939
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:27,639
Speaker 3: Texas Tech. He can play the deep middle this draft.

1940
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:31,200
Speaker 3: You know Cam Kitchens from Miami. They this is one

1941
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 3: of the few drafts in recent years that I can

1942
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:36,679
Speaker 3: remember where a mid round pick like Deron Harmon, third round,

1943
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:39,680
Speaker 3: fourth round guy. There actually are some center fielders in

1944
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:40,120
Speaker 3: this draft.

1945
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:42,639
Speaker 2: How many defensive picks do you think the Patriots will take?

1946
01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:43,760
Speaker 2: The answers too?

1947
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 3: Yeah? I was gonna say too, yeah, your answers too? Yeah?

1948
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 3: Oh I like that.

1949
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wouldn't think too too many anyway.

1950
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:59,920
Speaker 2: But Alec writes in Elec Baldwin, No, what's Guenness? I signed?

1951
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:04,800
Speaker 2: Was Alec? Remember they had the friend Alec and he

1952
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:05,840
Speaker 2: kept saying his name.

1953
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:08,439
Speaker 3: I have no idea. No, all right, never mind, I

1954
01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:09,400
Speaker 3: don't remember that one.

1955
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm oh, what was his last name?

1956
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:15,120
Speaker 2: He was like Alec buh Berg maybe or something like that.

1957
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:18,639
Speaker 2: I don't remember that anyway. A big fan of the show.

1958
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 2: I'm excited the draft is finally a week away. I

1959
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:23,639
Speaker 2: want May. I feel like he has the most room

1960
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:26,080
Speaker 2: to grow. He's young, and his build and ability to

1961
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:29,400
Speaker 2: outweigh any other prospect. In my opinion, if the Patriots

1962
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:32,120
Speaker 2: do go with McCarthy, do you think they draft him

1963
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 2: at three or do you see them being able to

1964
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:36,639
Speaker 2: move back and say six or seven and grab him.

1965
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:39,080
Speaker 2: I'm not opposed to it, but I just don't think

1966
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 2: you can pass up on May. Also, I think Osborne

1967
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:44,960
Speaker 2: is an underrated signing and I see him catching six

1968
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:48,120
Speaker 2: to seven touchdowns this year. In the wide receiver room,

1969
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:51,280
Speaker 2: who do you see making the team? Taekwon needs to go.

1970
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:56,559
Speaker 5: I would love a world where Taekwan and you do

1971
01:31:56,560 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 5: you both go, and Kashan all three of them can go,

1972
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 5: And especially because if you take two wide receivers in

1973
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:08,320
Speaker 5: this draft, there probably are going to walk in and

1974
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:12,200
Speaker 5: be better than both Taekwon and Juju and Kishon Booty,

1975
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:13,880
Speaker 5: So I could.

1976
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 1: Do without those three hotly.

1977
01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think Born, Douglas and Osbourne are the only

1978
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:23,040
Speaker 3: guys that I look at that have roster spots. Yeah,

1979
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:26,280
Speaker 3: at receiver. Right now, they probably draft at least one

1980
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:29,280
Speaker 3: for the others in the in the hat. And you know,

1981
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:31,559
Speaker 3: if that one that you draft is at thirty four

1982
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:34,240
Speaker 3: or whatever, then he's a lock to make the team too. Yeah,

1983
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:36,960
Speaker 3: so now you're really only talking about maybe one or

1984
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:40,080
Speaker 3: two spots for Tamara's group. Yep.

1985
01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:45,960
Speaker 2: Uh Noah lives in Pennsylvania. He says, I, like all

1986
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:49,240
Speaker 2: of Patriot's Nation, want a wide receiver one. AJ Brown

1987
01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:52,679
Speaker 2: changed his profile picture to Brady on Instagram. He wants

1988
01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:55,639
Speaker 2: to be a Patriot so bad we draft him, Brady

1989
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:58,160
Speaker 2: stays and we probably win at least one more ring

1990
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:01,719
Speaker 2: love the show and thank you for all for everything

1991
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:04,599
Speaker 2: you do. Excited for the draft and next season. So

1992
01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:07,479
Speaker 2: he needs that wide.

1993
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:12,400
Speaker 4: They drafted AJ Brown and nineteen. I don't think they

1994
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:16,400
Speaker 4: would have won another title. Certainly wouldn't have meant that

1995
01:33:16,439 --> 01:33:18,400
Speaker 4: Brady had to leave after the nineteen season.

1996
01:33:18,479 --> 01:33:19,880
Speaker 2: Well did he say they win a title or did

1997
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:21,000
Speaker 2: he say that Brady wouldn't have.

1998
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:26,280
Speaker 4: Left, and they don't they would he but I think

1999
01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:28,840
Speaker 4: it's definitely fair to say that Brady wouldn't have left

2000
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:29,320
Speaker 4: right away.

2001
01:33:29,439 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. I agree.

2002
01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:34,280
Speaker 5: It'd be so exciting if someone like I don't know

2003
01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 5: what the Bengals would want to trade up for and

2004
01:33:36,160 --> 01:33:39,160
Speaker 5: give T Higgins, but if we can get T Higgins

2005
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:42,719
Speaker 5: and solve a wide receiver one problem, I'd rather have Auk.

2006
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:46,880
Speaker 3: Really, it would be so exciting to me. As exciting

2007
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:48,720
Speaker 3: as that would be, I feel like it would be

2008
01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:51,280
Speaker 3: more exciting to hit on it in the draft because

2009
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:54,719
Speaker 3: it's just like finally, like finally you took a swing

2010
01:33:54,760 --> 01:33:57,479
Speaker 3: out of wide receiver in the draft high and he's

2011
01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:00,040
Speaker 3: he's a J. Brown, you know, like he's Debo, he

2012
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:02,519
Speaker 3: is Terry McLaurin, Like he's one of those guys. I

2013
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:06,080
Speaker 3: just the talent is there's so much talent every year

2014
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:09,599
Speaker 3: that comes through at that position in the draft. Yeah,

2015
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:11,960
Speaker 3: And to just be one of these teams that is

2016
01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:14,800
Speaker 3: like a blind squirrel, like trying to look around for

2017
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:18,080
Speaker 3: it is just so frustrating. Like it's every year there's

2018
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:20,200
Speaker 3: ten guys that can play in the draft, like just

2019
01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:21,400
Speaker 3: go find one. Yep.

2020
01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:23,680
Speaker 5: I think they have to go find one and be

2021
01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:26,599
Speaker 5: able to develop one. The develop mint part has been

2022
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:29,599
Speaker 5: so difficult for whatever reason. Couldn't identify the reason today

2023
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 5: for whatever reason is they can't develop one. So that's

2024
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:33,759
Speaker 5: that's the concern.

2025
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:37,080
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I'm hopeful that with Taekwon Underwood on staff.

2026
01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:39,439
Speaker 3: You know, he's one of those guys that's done a

2027
01:34:39,439 --> 01:34:43,760
Speaker 3: lot of those like private like coaching type stuff. You know,

2028
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:46,519
Speaker 3: before he got back into full time coaching. Scott Peters

2029
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:49,040
Speaker 3: to their offensive line coach, another one of those guys.

2030
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:51,640
Speaker 3: But you know, Underwood's been one of those like footworking

2031
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 3: type of people. You know, Troy Brown I think is

2032
01:34:54,280 --> 01:34:57,200
Speaker 3: conceptually probably a very good coach, but when it came

2033
01:34:57,240 --> 01:34:59,880
Speaker 3: to like teaching techniques and route running and stuff, you

2034
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:02,840
Speaker 3: one of those guys that just like understands, you know,

2035
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:05,400
Speaker 3: how to teach those types of movements. And I hope

2036
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:06,360
Speaker 3: that Underwood can do that.

2037
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:09,360
Speaker 2: Yep, I heard if you sign up for one of

2038
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:12,479
Speaker 2: his private clinics you get a free haircut. That's that's included.

2039
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:14,160
Speaker 3: He still has the same air cut, does it really?

2040
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:18,240
Speaker 3: Yeahs Fade, he still has its.

2041
01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:21,120
Speaker 2: Jack and and Auber about developing wide receivers. He says

2042
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:24,160
Speaker 2: one reason the Patriots have not done a good job

2043
01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:28,200
Speaker 2: of developing receivers is that wide receivers are commonly pre Madonna's,

2044
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:31,959
Speaker 2: and Belichick had no tolerance for Prima Donna's. I suspect

2045
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:35,400
Speaker 2: that Belichick was extra hard on wide receivers who acted

2046
01:35:35,479 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 2: like Prima Donna's. Consequently, the players didn't develop because they

2047
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:41,599
Speaker 2: didn't get the nurturing they needed.

2048
01:35:42,040 --> 01:35:44,000
Speaker 3: I think they didn't develop because they couldn't play.

2049
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:50,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he I think instead, I think there's

2050
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:51,840
Speaker 4: some truth to what he's talking about. I think he

2051
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:58,280
Speaker 4: doesn't love that position. Because of that, and because of that,

2052
01:35:58,320 --> 01:36:01,400
Speaker 4: he stays away from those kinds of guys, although you

2053
01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:04,040
Speaker 4: know he's not afraid to bring in like chad Ocho Cinco,

2054
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:06,920
Speaker 4: who is as big a diva wide receiver as there ever.

2055
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:08,599
Speaker 3: It was right in the league.

2056
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:10,120
Speaker 5: I feel like you can say the same thing about

2057
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:15,320
Speaker 5: corners too and look at Sauce like, yeah, so, I

2058
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:17,439
Speaker 5: don't know, I feel but those guys are really talented.

2059
01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:18,559
Speaker 5: Sauce is really good.

2060
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:21,719
Speaker 4: He likes cornerback, he brought in, he brought in Revas,

2061
01:36:21,760 --> 01:36:24,280
Speaker 4: he brought in Gilmore, and he brought he likes the

2062
01:36:24,520 --> 01:36:25,519
Speaker 4: he likes the corner, and he.

2063
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:29,000
Speaker 2: Brought in the kid from the Buccaneers mid season.

2064
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:32,400
Speaker 5: You have a good example, Freddie, would you bring in

2065
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:34,080
Speaker 5: a guy like OBJ in his prime?

2066
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:37,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, but is too much of a diva? I think

2067
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:40,360
Speaker 3: they I think I think they would have brought I

2068
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:44,040
Speaker 3: think like there's some exceptions to the rule, for loss

2069
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:47,080
Speaker 3: being one of them, you know, like, if you're that good,

2070
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:50,800
Speaker 3: I think he would have made exceptions to it. I

2071
01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:54,799
Speaker 3: think corner is just simply like he knows his defense

2072
01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 3: is a complete without a shutdown corner, and he likes

2073
01:36:57,560 --> 01:36:59,599
Speaker 3: that position. I think that one.

2074
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:01,879
Speaker 4: And I I heard someone talking about this over the weekend.

2075
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:05,360
Speaker 4: You know, in today's NFL, that wide receiver spot has

2076
01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:08,800
Speaker 4: become like huge, Yeah, and I think even ten years

2077
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:09,920
Speaker 4: ago it wasn't that big.

2078
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:12,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a premium position.

2079
01:37:12,120 --> 01:37:15,320
Speaker 4: It's changed into a real premium spot. And I don't

2080
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:16,400
Speaker 4: think Bill thinks that way.

2081
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:22,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, a quarterback, receiver, tackle, pass rusher are now even

2082
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:24,559
Speaker 3: more so than corner. I would say, like the true

2083
01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:26,479
Speaker 3: premium premium positions in the league.

2084
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:27,000
Speaker 2: But it's weird.

2085
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:28,479
Speaker 5: I feel like if I was Bill, I'm like, there's

2086
01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:30,760
Speaker 5: no way you could look at this roster and think

2087
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:33,880
Speaker 5: like something isn't missing, because like when you look at

2088
01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:35,760
Speaker 5: everyone else's tape, and every week we get into the

2089
01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:37,840
Speaker 5: locker room and we ask the guys, you know, when

2090
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:39,720
Speaker 5: you're looking at the tape, like who stands out? They're

2091
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:43,720
Speaker 5: always picking out like Diggs justin Jefferson obj when you

2092
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:46,160
Speaker 5: know he was great. But if you ask the other

2093
01:37:46,200 --> 01:37:49,200
Speaker 5: team about our locker room or who are you saying

2094
01:37:49,320 --> 01:37:52,639
Speaker 5: right right? There's no one to say right.

2095
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:55,120
Speaker 2: I agree, So they're easy.

2096
01:37:55,160 --> 01:37:59,639
Speaker 5: There's something, there's something, there's something missing. The star is missing.

2097
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:03,719
Speaker 2: Kings and Queens of all media and soakers and sniffers

2098
01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:07,160
Speaker 2: of all corks. Greeting from hutch and Maine, longtime listener

2099
01:38:07,240 --> 01:38:10,639
Speaker 2: over two decades. There you go, thank you, welcome back.

2100
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:13,320
Speaker 2: Just finished watching The Dynasty and I have a question.

2101
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:17,400
Speaker 2: What do you think would have happened if RKK had

2102
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:20,519
Speaker 2: kept TV twelve at quarterback instead of Belichick as the

2103
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:24,360
Speaker 2: head coach at the Fateful Meeting Robert described with Tommy

2104
01:38:24,360 --> 01:38:27,760
Speaker 2: and Giselle in eighteen Would the New England Patriots have

2105
01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 2: won another Super Bowl? Would tom who would have replaced

2106
01:38:30,520 --> 01:38:34,120
Speaker 2: Bill at that time? Other ripple butterfly effects throughout the universe.

2107
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:37,960
Speaker 2: So if he had gone with Tom and said Bill,

2108
01:38:38,040 --> 01:38:40,320
Speaker 2: you're done at that time, what would have happened.

2109
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:42,719
Speaker 3: I don't know who's the coach.

2110
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:47,760
Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels. Was he still with them at the time, Yeah, yeah,

2111
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:48,879
Speaker 2: it could have been Mayo.

2112
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:53,200
Speaker 3: Too early, right, too early, probably McDaniels.

2113
01:38:53,200 --> 01:38:57,879
Speaker 2: Probably McDaniels. So now or Patricia, you know Tom loves Josh,

2114
01:38:58,120 --> 01:39:02,360
Speaker 2: so you know Josh's so.

2115
01:39:01,880 --> 01:39:03,560
Speaker 3: Who told you Tom loves Josh.

2116
01:39:03,960 --> 01:39:05,679
Speaker 2: I thought they got along really well together.

2117
01:39:06,280 --> 01:39:08,439
Speaker 4: No, I don't think that they hate each other or

2118
01:39:08,439 --> 01:39:11,920
Speaker 4: anything like that. Everyone at the end here, I'm not

2119
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:18,320
Speaker 4: sure that, like, I'm not sure that that was a

2120
01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:22,200
Speaker 4: great relationship. I don't think it was like deteriorated like

2121
01:39:22,280 --> 01:39:25,640
Speaker 4: Bill and Tom did. But I'm not sure that that

2122
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:26,080
Speaker 4: would have.

2123
01:39:26,040 --> 01:39:31,960
Speaker 2: Been Like I thought that they had a good rule.

2124
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:33,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think that they have a bad relationship.

2125
01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:36,840
Speaker 4: I just don't think that it's accurate to say, well,

2126
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:40,240
Speaker 4: Tom loves Josh. I don't necessarily think that's accurate. Okay, Anyways,

2127
01:39:40,720 --> 01:39:43,320
Speaker 4: it would make sense some things I've heard the head coach,

2128
01:39:43,439 --> 01:39:46,240
Speaker 4: Tom stays, now you have your offensive minded head coach,

2129
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:49,360
Speaker 4: you know, maybe they would win.

2130
01:39:49,439 --> 01:39:50,800
Speaker 5: I think they could have sold that on to win.

2131
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:54,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were not gonna win anything else unless they

2132
01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:57,840
Speaker 4: had a dramatic change in their personnel department.

2133
01:39:58,320 --> 01:40:00,599
Speaker 2: Well that would be dramatic. Bill gone.

2134
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:02,840
Speaker 4: Okay, Well they haven't had a dramatic change in the

2135
01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:04,519
Speaker 4: personnel department now when Bill's gone.

2136
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:06,320
Speaker 2: But Josh would be the head coach and he would

2137
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:07,200
Speaker 2: bring in other people.

2138
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:10,559
Speaker 3: Okay, maybe, I'm sure Dave Ziegler probably.

2139
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:12,439
Speaker 4: I was just gonna say it didn't go very well

2140
01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:15,479
Speaker 4: when that combination was in place in Vegas.

2141
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:18,519
Speaker 3: To be fair, I don't think that. I think Dave

2142
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:20,720
Speaker 3: Ziegler kind of got an unfair shake out of that

2143
01:40:20,760 --> 01:40:23,840
Speaker 3: whole thing in Vegas because he was so connected to Josh.

2144
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:26,160
Speaker 3: They were kind of a package deal. It really just

2145
01:40:26,160 --> 01:40:28,479
Speaker 3: sounds like Josh loast locker room, and like the guys

2146
01:40:28,479 --> 01:40:30,600
Speaker 3: just kind of hated playing for him, whereas like the

2147
01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:32,479
Speaker 3: talent on the team was like not that bad when

2148
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:34,760
Speaker 3: you really look at the roster, like especially at the top.

2149
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:37,040
Speaker 3: I mean, they had Crosby and Adams and like, you know,

2150
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:38,160
Speaker 3: they had some good players.

2151
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:42,280
Speaker 4: Like it just now, I was told that there was

2152
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:44,680
Speaker 4: a big problem in that Ziegler did not want to

2153
01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:49,240
Speaker 4: sign Jimmy and Josh insisted on that signing and that

2154
01:40:49,479 --> 01:40:53,320
Speaker 4: you know, obviously didn't work in terms of the locker room.

2155
01:40:54,200 --> 01:41:01,920
Speaker 4: It was described to me as the problem being Josh

2156
01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:05,080
Speaker 4: was very tough on the players, you know, in terms

2157
01:41:05,080 --> 01:41:08,439
Speaker 4: of evaluations, but not like it was coaching, not like

2158
01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:12,320
Speaker 4: you know, I know this because I you know, I'm

2159
01:41:12,439 --> 01:41:14,719
Speaker 4: arrogant and I won all these Super Bowls with New England,

2160
01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:17,880
Speaker 4: but like when he would watch film and he'd break

2161
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:21,160
Speaker 4: down film and he would point out mistakes by guys,

2162
01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:23,559
Speaker 4: and they were very put off by that. So part

2163
01:41:23,600 --> 01:41:27,439
Speaker 4: of it is like another example of the new age

2164
01:41:27,479 --> 01:41:30,160
Speaker 4: players with the you know, kind of an old school coach.

2165
01:41:30,640 --> 01:41:33,600
Speaker 4: Josh comes from the Bill Tree, you know, where it

2166
01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:36,519
Speaker 4: was Johnny Foxborough and you know could have made that pass.

2167
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:39,000
Speaker 3: Me and Ernie could have made that playing right.

2168
01:41:39,160 --> 01:41:43,760
Speaker 4: So I do think that that Evan's right there was

2169
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:47,479
Speaker 4: part of that is on the players with the Raiders,

2170
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:50,000
Speaker 4: and I don't think it was an overly talented roster.

2171
01:41:50,120 --> 01:41:53,439
Speaker 4: They had high end talent that that Josh definitely that

2172
01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:58,080
Speaker 4: Evan just mentioned. But the quarterback thing undoes it, like

2173
01:41:58,120 --> 01:41:58,800
Speaker 4: it undoes a.

2174
01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:01,800
Speaker 3: Lot of things, and who knows how accurate this is,

2175
01:42:01,840 --> 01:42:04,120
Speaker 3: but rumor has it is that Dave Ziegeler wanted to

2176
01:42:04,160 --> 01:42:07,759
Speaker 3: trade up to the number one overall pick and take CJ. Stroud,

2177
01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:12,080
Speaker 3: that he had an affinity in the draft for Stroud.

2178
01:42:12,439 --> 01:42:15,120
Speaker 3: The Bears were obviously selling the pick, and he wanted

2179
01:42:15,160 --> 01:42:18,479
Speaker 3: to make the trade up. And Josh wanted Jimmy. Wow,

2180
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:20,960
Speaker 3: that's at least what the Raiders people would tell.

2181
01:42:21,080 --> 01:42:22,200
Speaker 2: Jimmy's a coach killer.

2182
01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:29,880
Speaker 4: The Jimmy part of that I got. I'm pretty pretty

2183
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:33,559
Speaker 4: confident that that's true. Okay, Josh wanted Jimmy. Ziegler did

2184
01:42:33,560 --> 01:42:34,040
Speaker 4: not want.

2185
01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:37,920
Speaker 2: Jimmy Connor from Narragansett rites in wanted to see what

2186
01:42:37,960 --> 01:42:40,360
Speaker 2: you guys think would be more likely. One trade up

2187
01:42:40,360 --> 01:42:43,320
Speaker 2: from thirty four, trade down from thirty four, or trade

2188
01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:44,360
Speaker 2: up from sixty eight.

2189
01:42:44,920 --> 01:42:46,679
Speaker 3: I'd say trade up from thirty four.

2190
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:48,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of my instinct too.

2191
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:53,600
Speaker 3: There's gonna be a run on tactical and some of

2192
01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:58,000
Speaker 3: those really truly day one IMPAC receivers could go at

2193
01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:00,439
Speaker 3: the end of the first round. Two. You know Texas

2194
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:04,920
Speaker 3: kids Brian Thomas Junior, Lad McConkey, and I could see

2195
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:07,719
Speaker 3: them saying, why don't we just jump up five spots

2196
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:12,559
Speaker 3: here and get them before the day two starts. Whatever.

2197
01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:15,439
Speaker 4: There's more of whatever that you know in the teams

2198
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:17,080
Speaker 4: is going to be a run on one of those spots,

2199
01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:19,519
Speaker 4: and whichever one it is, Patriot should go the other way,

2200
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:21,759
Speaker 4: trade up and get the other position.

2201
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:27,479
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, let's see Jeffrey from Canada, right sin

2202
01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:28,840
Speaker 2: he said seven.

2203
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:31,000
Speaker 3: More sleeps, blame Canada.

2204
01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:35,200
Speaker 2: I have two questions. Give me a percentage or odds

2205
01:43:35,240 --> 01:43:38,720
Speaker 2: that the Patriots shock us and do something completely unexpected.

2206
01:43:38,760 --> 01:43:41,559
Speaker 2: For example, Roger Goodell goes up to the podium and says,

2207
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:44,320
Speaker 2: with the third pick the new woman, Patriots select Joe

2208
01:43:44,360 --> 01:43:47,920
Speaker 2: Alt or Harrison or neighbors. Like, what would shock you?

2209
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:50,880
Speaker 4: That wouldn't None of that would shock me. I'm not

2210
01:43:50,920 --> 01:43:53,960
Speaker 4: expecting it, but no neighbors would shock me. And I

2211
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:56,320
Speaker 4: love neighbors. But I don't think he's would shock I

2212
01:43:56,360 --> 01:43:58,120
Speaker 4: think his point is, you're taking a non quote.

2213
01:43:58,160 --> 01:44:00,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would shock me if they stay at three

2214
01:44:00,360 --> 01:44:02,160
Speaker 2: and take and don't take a quarterback.

2215
01:44:02,360 --> 01:44:02,880
Speaker 3: Yeah it would.

2216
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:04,439
Speaker 4: I mean it would surprise me. I'm not going to

2217
01:44:04,520 --> 01:44:06,800
Speaker 4: be disingenuous. It would surprise I think they're taking a

2218
01:44:06,840 --> 01:44:10,200
Speaker 4: quarterback at three, But I would not be shocked if

2219
01:44:10,200 --> 01:44:16,559
Speaker 4: they don't. I would say, like a a.

2220
01:44:16,479 --> 01:44:19,679
Speaker 3: Trade up, like a substantial one would would.

2221
01:44:19,439 --> 01:44:21,800
Speaker 4: Shock me at three like that they're trading up and

2222
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:23,760
Speaker 4: they're going and get Caleb Williams.

2223
01:44:23,560 --> 01:44:24,400
Speaker 3: Or something like that.

2224
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:25,720
Speaker 4: That would truly shock me.

2225
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:29,040
Speaker 3: So that's like so off the board for me that,

2226
01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:32,320
Speaker 3: like I was more thinking they trade up from thirty

2227
01:44:32,360 --> 01:44:36,519
Speaker 3: four to have like true two true first round picks,

2228
01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:38,519
Speaker 3: like not like from thirty four to thirty one. But

2229
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:40,519
Speaker 3: you could see that happening. Yeah, But like I mean

2230
01:44:40,600 --> 01:44:43,640
Speaker 3: from like thirty four to like in the teens, they're like,

2231
01:44:43,720 --> 01:44:45,760
Speaker 3: you know, to get one of these these receivers, you know,

2232
01:44:45,760 --> 01:44:46,160
Speaker 3: get so.

2233
01:44:46,200 --> 01:44:48,360
Speaker 4: Then you're you're giving up a pick from next year.

2234
01:44:48,479 --> 01:44:51,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, like giving up like a substantial haul to Yeah,

2235
01:44:51,479 --> 01:44:53,200
Speaker 3: that would be my most.

2236
01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:56,479
Speaker 5: Shocking thing that could happen on Draft night is Harbaugh

2237
01:44:56,520 --> 01:44:59,880
Speaker 5: going after his guy and we getting Justin Herbert.

2238
01:45:00,600 --> 01:45:05,080
Speaker 2: That would be just Shaka. That'd be crazy, Uh spiing

2239
01:45:05,160 --> 01:45:08,280
Speaker 2: Fresno Fred It's Alec bug. That's what I thought.

2240
01:45:08,760 --> 01:45:10,920
Speaker 3: Could it be that the current someone would write in

2241
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:11,200
Speaker 3: with that.

2242
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:13,880
Speaker 2: Could it be that the current regime puts so much

2243
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:16,960
Speaker 2: of the offensive problems on Bill that they might actually

2244
01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:19,679
Speaker 2: discount the importance of drafting offensive talent.

2245
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:21,479
Speaker 3: So someone like, you know, we're fine.

2246
01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:24,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, someone tweeted that to me because I put the

2247
01:45:24,479 --> 01:45:27,439
Speaker 4: comment about the the NFL, like we have we feel

2248
01:45:27,439 --> 01:45:29,640
Speaker 4: like we have NFL players in all those spots, and

2249
01:45:29,800 --> 01:45:32,640
Speaker 4: someone's like, you know, it's hard to blame Bill for

2250
01:45:32,720 --> 01:45:35,519
Speaker 4: all the shortcomings of the roster and then not do

2251
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:37,200
Speaker 4: anything about the roster, right.

2252
01:45:37,560 --> 01:45:39,200
Speaker 3: You know, But I don't. I don't think they're not

2253
01:45:39,240 --> 01:45:42,559
Speaker 3: doing anything about it, are they of the I don't

2254
01:45:42,600 --> 01:45:45,160
Speaker 3: think it's necessarily blaming Bill. I think it's more blaming

2255
01:45:45,200 --> 01:45:47,840
Speaker 3: mac Jones. Like if they they truly feel like their

2256
01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:51,320
Speaker 3: quarterback play last year was so abysmal that they're going

2257
01:45:51,400 --> 01:45:53,160
Speaker 3: to draft one of these quarterbacks and it's going to

2258
01:45:53,200 --> 01:45:55,839
Speaker 3: be so much better that all of a sudden, Kendrick

2259
01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:58,639
Speaker 3: Bourne and Pop Douglas and Hunter Henry and all these guys,

2260
01:45:58,680 --> 01:45:59,960
Speaker 3: just would that scare you though?

2261
01:46:00,040 --> 01:46:00,880
Speaker 2: That's what we thought from.

2262
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:04,400
Speaker 3: It, that's their mindset. Yeah, absolutely would too. But if

2263
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:07,559
Speaker 3: they think, if their mindset is more we're gonna draft

2264
01:46:07,640 --> 01:46:10,040
Speaker 3: Drake May and we're gonna draft a big time receiver

2265
01:46:10,760 --> 01:46:12,439
Speaker 3: and both of those guys are going to come in

2266
01:46:12,520 --> 01:46:15,800
Speaker 3: together and elevate the entire thing, and that I think

2267
01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:19,120
Speaker 3: is justifiable. But just thinking the quarterback is going to

2268
01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:20,160
Speaker 3: do it alone, it's crazy.

2269
01:46:20,360 --> 01:46:22,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, this team is more than a quarterback away from

2270
01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:23,320
Speaker 5: being great.

2271
01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:26,519
Speaker 2: Yep, Colleen says, I forget where in the press conference.

2272
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:28,960
Speaker 2: I'd have to rewatch it. But if I recall correctly,

2273
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:32,400
Speaker 2: at one point, when Wolfe was referencing the first pick

2274
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:36,200
Speaker 2: in relation to the next picks, he almost said the quarterback.

2275
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:41,800
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm being conspirator, conspiratorial and this didn't happen, but

2276
01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:44,719
Speaker 2: I feel like it did, and we'll rewatch. I don't

2277
01:46:45,040 --> 01:46:48,720
Speaker 2: recall that, but I had this ac fan blowing in

2278
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:49,200
Speaker 2: my head.

2279
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:53,479
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't recall that part either. Yeah, yeah, I

2280
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:57,160
Speaker 3: mean I didn't. I didn't catch anything like that.

2281
01:46:57,560 --> 01:47:02,800
Speaker 2: Okay. Claire writs in Hello everyone, Hello Marine, even though

2282
01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:06,640
Speaker 2: he's not here, If Evan is there, he is. I

2283
01:47:06,680 --> 01:47:09,800
Speaker 2: know his answer from my a clear perspective pod.

2284
01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:11,280
Speaker 3: Would you on that? Yeah? Recently?

2285
01:47:11,439 --> 01:47:14,640
Speaker 2: Okay, wow, but he may be able to articulate this

2286
01:47:14,720 --> 01:47:17,960
Speaker 2: question further. Do you all believe that the Patriots would

2287
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:20,960
Speaker 2: have to draft differently on their other draft picks if

2288
01:47:20,960 --> 01:47:24,760
Speaker 2: they were to take Daniels versus May. So does that

2289
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:27,679
Speaker 2: who they picked there dictate later drafts.

2290
01:47:28,040 --> 01:47:32,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, Basically we talked about the type of receiver that

2291
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:35,680
Speaker 3: you would ideally like to pair with each quarterback, you know,

2292
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:38,720
Speaker 3: just in terms of skill set. That was what the

2293
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:39,439
Speaker 3: question was.

2294
01:47:40,439 --> 01:47:42,400
Speaker 4: So do you do you think there would be like

2295
01:47:42,439 --> 01:47:45,400
Speaker 4: a dramatic difference or just like the individual player.

2296
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:48,000
Speaker 3: I think there would be a dramatic Probably not, but

2297
01:47:48,080 --> 01:47:50,120
Speaker 3: I do think there would be a difference. Yeah, Like

2298
01:47:50,160 --> 01:47:52,479
Speaker 3: I think this is probably fair. A guy like Drake May,

2299
01:47:53,080 --> 01:47:56,920
Speaker 3: you probably want that big outside X with speed that

2300
01:47:56,960 --> 01:47:58,800
Speaker 3: has a catch radius because he's not going to be

2301
01:47:58,840 --> 01:48:01,720
Speaker 3: pinpoint accurate all the time. So you need somebody that's

2302
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:05,120
Speaker 3: going to be able to make some catches, the acrobatic catches,

2303
01:48:05,160 --> 01:48:07,320
Speaker 3: you know, catches outside his frame every once in a while.

2304
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:10,760
Speaker 3: With Jayden Daniels, it's all about speeding the slot, Like

2305
01:48:10,800 --> 01:48:12,200
Speaker 3: you gotta get that Molik neighbor.

2306
01:48:12,240 --> 01:48:14,439
Speaker 2: What about lineman type of player? You need a different

2307
01:48:14,479 --> 01:48:17,160
Speaker 2: type of line, h you know, line for each guy.

2308
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:20,760
Speaker 3: I tend to think no on that one. I'm more

2309
01:48:20,880 --> 01:48:24,080
Speaker 3: think about the receivers. And you know, with Jaden Daniels,

2310
01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:26,400
Speaker 3: he loves to throw those slot faites like the vertical

2311
01:48:26,479 --> 01:48:29,120
Speaker 3: routes from inside the formation. So if you don't have

2312
01:48:29,160 --> 01:48:31,600
Speaker 3: a guy that can consistently win on that route, you know,

2313
01:48:31,640 --> 01:48:33,479
Speaker 3: that's his route. You know, that's what he threw to

2314
01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:36,680
Speaker 3: Thomas and neighbors probably twenty five thirty percent of the

2315
01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:40,320
Speaker 3: time last year. So getting a guy like that, you know,

2316
01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:42,400
Speaker 3: it doesn't necessarily need to have, you know, have the

2317
01:48:42,479 --> 01:48:44,200
Speaker 3: largest catch rates in the world. Doesn't need to be

2318
01:48:44,240 --> 01:48:46,360
Speaker 3: six foot three, but he needs to be able to

2319
01:48:46,360 --> 01:48:47,400
Speaker 3: win over the top like that.

2320
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:50,679
Speaker 2: James Pettigrew, the most interesting Patriots fan in the world,

2321
01:48:51,200 --> 01:48:53,719
Speaker 2: wants to know when are we having the r lads

2322
01:48:53,840 --> 01:48:54,679
Speaker 2: argument this year?

2323
01:48:55,720 --> 01:49:01,800
Speaker 3: It'll probably come up, Yeah, I would say, probably uh Friday, Yeah.

2324
01:49:01,360 --> 01:49:03,639
Speaker 2: Oh, probably Tuesday. I'll bring the book and then we'll

2325
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:05,160
Speaker 2: somebody will say it's.

2326
01:49:05,040 --> 01:49:08,479
Speaker 4: Our lads, our.

2327
01:49:07,560 --> 01:49:10,880
Speaker 2: No it isn't. See he just asked, and we have

2328
01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:18,080
Speaker 2: it Lee right sin He says, I'm really excited about

2329
01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:21,439
Speaker 2: the draft. We've had the Bill and Tom Era and

2330
01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:25,160
Speaker 2: how fantastic that was. We tried the veteran route with

2331
01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:28,040
Speaker 2: the with a former MVP to find out he didn't

2332
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:30,840
Speaker 2: have anything left. We tried a first round pick and

2333
01:49:30,920 --> 01:49:33,799
Speaker 2: that didn't work out. We've now got a new chapter

2334
01:49:33,880 --> 01:49:37,240
Speaker 2: to start, and I have everything crossed for us. You've

2335
01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:41,719
Speaker 2: talked about quarterbacks being overdrafted. I understand what was being said,

2336
01:49:42,080 --> 01:49:44,760
Speaker 2: but it's hardly surprising. You can't sit back and wait

2337
01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:48,439
Speaker 2: to see what's left whilst others are overpaying unless you

2338
01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:52,200
Speaker 2: want to find the shelf bear or only damage goods left.

2339
01:49:52,479 --> 01:49:54,439
Speaker 2: Not that I care what the Jets do, but is

2340
01:49:54,439 --> 01:49:58,759
Speaker 2: there any history of a bad quarterback like Wilson? Seems

2341
01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:02,040
Speaker 2: to be being that behind a veteran and then coming

2342
01:50:02,400 --> 01:50:06,680
Speaker 2: good in the future. In other words, a guy as

2343
01:50:06,720 --> 01:50:10,880
Speaker 2: bad as Wilson, did anybody ever resurrect themselves and have

2344
01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:12,320
Speaker 2: a good career?

2345
01:50:12,400 --> 01:50:17,160
Speaker 3: A really good question. Smith. Yeah, I mean, I don't

2346
01:50:17,160 --> 01:50:19,160
Speaker 3: know if he was as bad. I mean, I think

2347
01:50:19,400 --> 01:50:22,640
Speaker 3: I think that's a good Uh. He's right now as

2348
01:50:22,680 --> 01:50:26,800
Speaker 3: the poster child for flamed out early, came back years

2349
01:50:26,880 --> 01:50:28,759
Speaker 3: later and thrived.

2350
01:50:30,040 --> 01:50:31,720
Speaker 5: I guess probably not as bad as Wilson. But I

2351
01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:34,840
Speaker 5: was going to say Baker Mayfield in terms of like, yeah,

2352
01:50:35,040 --> 01:50:36,880
Speaker 5: a little bit surprising to see that he's I.

2353
01:50:36,920 --> 01:50:38,960
Speaker 4: Mean, I would say that his best year was in

2354
01:50:39,040 --> 01:50:41,840
Speaker 4: Cleveland still, but I really thought it was better than

2355
01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:42,320
Speaker 4: last year.

2356
01:50:42,360 --> 01:50:42,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2357
01:50:42,560 --> 01:50:45,920
Speaker 3: I think last year he was so overblown it was ridiculous.

2358
01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:47,719
Speaker 2: He's just sticking to a tape.

2359
01:50:47,720 --> 01:50:51,559
Speaker 3: I thought he's really good. Yeah, I'll say this. I'll

2360
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:53,240
Speaker 3: say this. I thought he was really good. Good for

2361
01:50:53,320 --> 01:50:55,280
Speaker 3: the league. I thought he was I thought he was

2362
01:50:55,360 --> 01:50:56,360
Speaker 3: really good in the playoffs.

2363
01:50:56,880 --> 01:50:59,400
Speaker 4: Does that count? Yeah, yeah, I think he I thought

2364
01:50:59,439 --> 01:51:01,120
Speaker 4: he was really good in the playoff games. I don't

2365
01:51:01,120 --> 01:51:04,599
Speaker 4: think he played like that during the season. Okay, I mean,

2366
01:51:04,840 --> 01:51:06,160
Speaker 4: I mean they were a five hundred team.

2367
01:51:06,200 --> 01:51:09,080
Speaker 3: Fred like it is what it is. He did well,

2368
01:51:09,200 --> 01:51:11,519
Speaker 3: they want a terrible division. They were better with Baker

2369
01:51:11,560 --> 01:51:12,880
Speaker 3: than they were with Brady the year before.

2370
01:51:13,960 --> 01:51:16,000
Speaker 4: I would say the same, but their record was better.

2371
01:51:16,040 --> 01:51:16,519
Speaker 3: They sucked.

2372
01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:21,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, the division was worse Okay, Baker Bay. But that's

2373
01:51:21,560 --> 01:51:24,920
Speaker 4: why I you know, Fred actually agreed with just another

2374
01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:27,120
Speaker 4: adda of boy I got. I want no part of Brady,

2375
01:51:27,320 --> 01:51:29,200
Speaker 4: like this whole like coming back thing.

2376
01:51:29,640 --> 01:51:31,759
Speaker 3: So I heard you on with Beatle and Matt McCarthy,

2377
01:51:31,800 --> 01:51:34,479
Speaker 3: who was a f thought that I like fell Melody

2378
01:51:34,600 --> 01:51:37,080
Speaker 3: Fellow bomber by the way, Matt McCarthy, Oh yeah, yeah,

2379
01:51:37,160 --> 01:51:40,040
Speaker 3: we went to all went to Ithaca together. But when

2380
01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:42,360
Speaker 3: they like jumped down your throat about that. I I

2381
01:51:42,600 --> 01:51:45,000
Speaker 3: was team ball. I was like, this is this is crazy.

2382
01:51:45,000 --> 01:51:47,400
Speaker 4: They don't understand, like they want to be snark which,

2383
01:51:47,560 --> 01:51:49,479
Speaker 4: you know, far be it for me to criticize someone

2384
01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:52,320
Speaker 4: for being snarky. But they don't like understand the point,

2385
01:51:52,439 --> 01:51:54,400
Speaker 4: Like they're like, oh, why would we want to win games?

2386
01:51:54,439 --> 01:51:58,280
Speaker 4: I'm like, it's not necessarily about the record. Is your

2387
01:51:58,360 --> 01:52:00,360
Speaker 4: team getting any closer to we wanted to be?

2388
01:52:00,439 --> 01:52:02,120
Speaker 3: They'd be twenty nineteen at best.

2389
01:52:02,200 --> 01:52:05,240
Speaker 4: And I just said to him, like, in twenty one,

2390
01:52:05,680 --> 01:52:09,400
Speaker 4: you had a football season. You won ten games, which

2391
01:52:09,439 --> 01:52:12,120
Speaker 4: is your holy grail. Evidently all of a sudden, ten

2392
01:52:12,200 --> 01:52:15,200
Speaker 4: wins so we can get to the wildcard game. How

2393
01:52:15,240 --> 01:52:17,120
Speaker 4: did that work for the overall development of the team.

2394
01:52:18,040 --> 01:52:22,120
Speaker 4: It didn't help you to sign seventeen high priced free

2395
01:52:22,160 --> 01:52:25,320
Speaker 4: agents and win some games. Oh it's nott better to

2396
01:52:25,360 --> 01:52:26,479
Speaker 4: win games than lose them.

2397
01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:28,200
Speaker 3: Oh you know, because we.

2398
01:52:28,240 --> 01:52:31,200
Speaker 4: Got to be all snarky about it and not understand. No,

2399
01:52:31,600 --> 01:52:33,800
Speaker 4: it was not the best interest in the team. It

2400
01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:36,439
Speaker 4: didn't help it. You weren't building, and the same kind

2401
01:52:36,479 --> 01:52:38,240
Speaker 4: of thing would happen if you signed Brady. I have

2402
01:52:38,360 --> 01:52:40,559
Speaker 4: no doubt that you would win more games right now,

2403
01:52:40,680 --> 01:52:43,560
Speaker 4: Brady off his couch, and then they would otherwise.

2404
01:52:43,240 --> 01:52:44,880
Speaker 2: It'd be good for ratings that season.

2405
01:52:45,080 --> 01:52:47,639
Speaker 3: And all well, I think that you said it, Paul

2406
01:52:47,920 --> 01:52:49,680
Speaker 3: directly to them, and I know that they tried to

2407
01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:52,240
Speaker 3: dance around it. But the reason why they want Brady

2408
01:52:52,280 --> 01:52:54,680
Speaker 3: to come back is for their show. Let's face it.

2409
01:52:54,880 --> 01:52:57,680
Speaker 4: Oh, I busted Fegus chops on that big time. It

2410
01:52:57,720 --> 01:53:00,920
Speaker 4: would be credible for us. Brady came back.

2411
01:53:01,439 --> 01:53:03,640
Speaker 3: No one's denying that he comes back for Week one

2412
01:53:03,760 --> 01:53:06,160
Speaker 3: last year, and it was incredible for us as the

2413
01:53:06,240 --> 01:53:06,760
Speaker 3: COVID year.

2414
01:53:06,840 --> 01:53:09,200
Speaker 4: By the way, Baker Mayfield twenty six and eight, that

2415
01:53:09,520 --> 01:53:11,240
Speaker 4: was his best year, oh better than last year.

2416
01:53:11,240 --> 01:53:13,320
Speaker 3: But no fans in the stands, please, what does that

2417
01:53:13,400 --> 01:53:15,240
Speaker 3: have to do with anything? He still had to play.

2418
01:53:15,680 --> 01:53:16,559
Speaker 2: It's good quarterback.

2419
01:53:16,640 --> 01:53:19,519
Speaker 4: You sound like Greg Badard, like dismissing Josh Allen because

2420
01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:21,840
Speaker 4: he only did it with COVID, Like it's the dumbest

2421
01:53:21,880 --> 01:53:23,720
Speaker 4: thing I've ever heard, heard, the dumbest thing I heard then,

2422
01:53:23,800 --> 01:53:24,639
Speaker 4: and you just reupted.

2423
01:53:25,120 --> 01:53:28,759
Speaker 3: I appreciate Greg's dedication to the Josh Allen take because

2424
01:53:28,760 --> 01:53:30,720
Speaker 3: he was not a Josh Allen guy to begin with,

2425
01:53:31,080 --> 01:53:34,639
Speaker 3: and even though a gunk guy, even though Josh, even

2426
01:53:34,680 --> 01:53:36,559
Speaker 3: though Josh Allen's now like an MVP.

2427
01:53:38,320 --> 01:53:38,799
Speaker 2: Receipts.

2428
01:53:39,920 --> 01:53:42,720
Speaker 4: There's a way to be like right and wrong, Like

2429
01:53:43,880 --> 01:53:46,200
Speaker 4: can you just say, like, oh, you know what, I

2430
01:53:46,280 --> 01:53:47,840
Speaker 4: don't Paul's wrong the right way?

2431
01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:48,120
Speaker 11: No.

2432
01:53:48,200 --> 01:53:49,559
Speaker 4: No, but like can you just say, I don't think

2433
01:53:49,640 --> 01:53:52,000
Speaker 4: Rob Gronkowski, I don't really understand all the hype about it.

2434
01:53:52,680 --> 01:53:56,960
Speaker 4: Don't see the hype at period all period. Like, so

2435
01:53:57,080 --> 01:53:58,640
Speaker 4: I'm sorry when that guy turns out to be the

2436
01:53:58,640 --> 01:54:00,920
Speaker 4: greatest tight end who's ever played, you deserve to have

2437
01:54:01,000 --> 01:54:02,320
Speaker 4: it thrown back in your period.

2438
01:54:02,479 --> 01:54:05,760
Speaker 3: Were period? Wrong period? And he gets really mad if

2439
01:54:05,800 --> 01:54:06,400
Speaker 3: you point.

2440
01:54:06,240 --> 01:54:09,200
Speaker 2: That out to right Oh god, the thin skin. Oh

2441
01:54:09,320 --> 01:54:09,960
Speaker 2: you believe me.

2442
01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:11,719
Speaker 3: He's been mad at me before. I'm sure he's probably

2443
01:54:11,800 --> 01:54:15,320
Speaker 3: mad at me right now listening. Well, he h. I've

2444
01:54:15,320 --> 01:54:18,960
Speaker 3: had some people that are telling me preemptively that when

2445
01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:21,160
Speaker 3: Drake May is a bust, that I'm never going to

2446
01:54:21,200 --> 01:54:23,160
Speaker 3: hear the end of it because I've been so pro

2447
01:54:23,320 --> 01:54:25,400
Speaker 3: Drake made this entire time, and I'm just like, if

2448
01:54:25,479 --> 01:54:26,840
Speaker 3: Drake May is a bus, I'll own it that I

2449
01:54:26,920 --> 01:54:28,880
Speaker 3: was wrong, Like I don't understand what the big deal is,

2450
01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:31,080
Speaker 3: like you get some, you win some, you lose him.

2451
01:54:31,160 --> 01:54:33,000
Speaker 3: Like I think he's gonna be a good player, you don't.

2452
01:54:33,200 --> 01:54:36,000
Speaker 5: There go this time three years ago, Evan, where were

2453
01:54:36,080 --> 01:54:37,640
Speaker 5: you on Mac Jones?

2454
01:54:37,920 --> 01:54:39,800
Speaker 3: So we were talking about this the other day. I

2455
01:54:40,160 --> 01:54:42,840
Speaker 3: flip flopped on Mac Jones after the Patriots drafted him.

2456
01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:45,120
Speaker 3: I felt I took the cheese and I I took

2457
01:54:45,160 --> 01:54:47,400
Speaker 3: the cheese with him. But going into the draft, I

2458
01:54:47,480 --> 01:54:49,800
Speaker 3: had him as the fifth quarterback in the draft, so

2459
01:54:50,600 --> 01:54:54,080
Speaker 3: I had it. I want to say, I had Lawrence Fields,

2460
01:54:54,240 --> 01:54:57,920
Speaker 3: Lance Wilson Mack is how I had it that year.

2461
01:54:58,520 --> 01:55:01,120
Speaker 3: And I really like Justin and I was I was

2462
01:55:01,120 --> 01:55:02,120
Speaker 3: also pretty wrong about that.

2463
01:55:02,240 --> 01:55:04,320
Speaker 4: I liked Justin Fields too when I was wrong about it,

2464
01:55:04,440 --> 01:55:07,840
Speaker 4: But I similarly had Mac number five out of those five.

2465
01:55:07,960 --> 01:55:09,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really like Justin Fields. I was the guy

2466
01:55:09,920 --> 01:55:11,840
Speaker 3: that I wanted the Patriots to end up with in

2467
01:55:11,960 --> 01:55:17,360
Speaker 3: that draft, and I wasn't as big on Mac and

2468
01:55:17,480 --> 01:55:19,480
Speaker 3: then they drafted him, and then I was like, Okay,

2469
01:55:19,600 --> 01:55:21,160
Speaker 3: well maybe it'll work out.

2470
01:55:21,160 --> 01:55:23,320
Speaker 2: I was pleased that he was our quarterback at the time.

2471
01:55:24,160 --> 01:55:26,160
Speaker 4: I believe you used that very line that.

2472
01:55:26,480 --> 01:55:28,560
Speaker 2: Very pleased that Mac Jones is our quarterback.

2473
01:55:28,800 --> 01:55:31,879
Speaker 3: And I wanted to throw up he can play quarterback.

2474
01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:34,040
Speaker 2: But the only guy, I really, the only guy, the

2475
01:55:34,120 --> 01:55:36,960
Speaker 2: only guy I loved in that draft was Trevor Lawrence. Oh,

2476
01:55:37,080 --> 01:55:41,240
Speaker 2: and I got killed by fans after we drafted that early. Fred,

2477
01:55:41,360 --> 01:55:42,600
Speaker 2: would you take Trevor Lawrence? Now?

2478
01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:46,120
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely? And then when Fred said yes, they killed

2479
01:55:46,200 --> 01:55:46,760
Speaker 3: him even worse.

2480
01:55:46,840 --> 01:55:49,200
Speaker 2: Even after that first season when Mac had a better

2481
01:55:49,360 --> 01:55:51,520
Speaker 2: rookie season, right, I still would have taken.

2482
01:55:51,600 --> 01:55:54,040
Speaker 3: And he was bad as rookie season, but you could

2483
01:55:54,120 --> 01:55:57,160
Speaker 3: just you just know. The funniest the funniest thing about

2484
01:55:57,200 --> 01:56:00,360
Speaker 3: Max's rookie season, and I still remember this to the day,

2485
01:56:00,880 --> 01:56:04,080
Speaker 3: is people writing that it was one of the greatest

2486
01:56:04,240 --> 01:56:07,400
Speaker 3: rookie seasons in the history of the NFL because like

2487
01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:10,720
Speaker 3: his completion percentage was like really really high or something

2488
01:56:10,840 --> 01:56:11,000
Speaker 3: like that.

2489
01:56:11,280 --> 01:56:13,720
Speaker 2: He didn't throw into the end zone until like week four.

2490
01:56:13,880 --> 01:56:16,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, did we watch he He did

2491
01:56:16,360 --> 01:56:18,320
Speaker 3: his job that year, There's no doubt about it.

2492
01:56:18,360 --> 01:56:20,840
Speaker 4: It's like the McCarthy stuff, Like they never won a

2493
01:56:20,920 --> 01:56:23,480
Speaker 4: single one of those ten games because of Mac Jones.

2494
01:56:25,600 --> 01:56:27,600
Speaker 3: You know, they actually the games that he played the

2495
01:56:27,600 --> 01:56:30,280
Speaker 3: best and were probably the games that they lost that year,

2496
01:56:30,520 --> 01:56:32,080
Speaker 3: like Tampa. Yeah, Tampa.

2497
01:56:32,280 --> 01:56:33,440
Speaker 4: Like you know, I know he threw the pick six

2498
01:56:33,520 --> 01:56:35,800
Speaker 4: against Dallas, but I think the dollas, I think the response.

2499
01:56:35,840 --> 01:56:37,400
Speaker 4: I mean, even though I thought that was a fluky

2500
01:56:37,560 --> 01:56:40,040
Speaker 4: but whatever, he played well with Dallas.

2501
01:56:40,520 --> 01:56:42,600
Speaker 2: Those parents that they're in the mall with their kid

2502
01:56:42,600 --> 01:56:44,800
Speaker 2: and they have leash on the kid and all the

2503
01:56:44,880 --> 01:56:48,440
Speaker 2: kids so well behaved. He's got. It's like Mac had

2504
01:56:48,480 --> 01:56:51,040
Speaker 2: such a great they managed the hell out of him.

2505
01:56:52,160 --> 01:56:57,800
Speaker 3: Analogy the governor. His best game as a Patriot was

2506
01:56:57,840 --> 01:57:00,840
Speaker 3: probably Buffalo last year, but his his best game is

2507
01:57:00,920 --> 01:57:04,360
Speaker 3: rookieyear was against Cleveland. They tore Yes, no doubt.

2508
01:57:05,080 --> 01:57:08,360
Speaker 2: That was like everybody had career games like that. One

2509
01:57:08,600 --> 01:57:09,480
Speaker 2: tikwon Thornton.

2510
01:57:09,680 --> 01:57:13,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the next game. That was a bay.

2511
01:57:13,360 --> 01:57:13,880
Speaker 3: That was a bailey.

2512
01:57:14,960 --> 01:57:17,640
Speaker 5: Baker was playing with like half a shoulder in that game.

2513
01:57:17,800 --> 01:57:20,480
Speaker 3: No, I mean, yeah right, yeah, yeah, but he was

2514
01:57:20,560 --> 01:57:23,440
Speaker 3: great in that game. The throw he made to Kendrick

2515
01:57:23,480 --> 01:57:25,000
Speaker 3: boring up the scene to that game was the best

2516
01:57:25,240 --> 01:57:25,720
Speaker 3: we ever made.

2517
01:57:25,840 --> 01:57:27,640
Speaker 4: So I know the exact player you're talking about. That

2518
01:57:27,760 --> 01:57:29,960
Speaker 4: was also one Hunter Henry in that game. That wasn't

2519
01:57:29,960 --> 01:57:31,800
Speaker 4: a touchdown, but it was a great throw. And I

2520
01:57:31,840 --> 01:57:34,480
Speaker 4: remember the post game show was like we started the

2521
01:57:34,480 --> 01:57:36,400
Speaker 4: good and bad. I was like, Mac Jobs, this is

2522
01:57:36,480 --> 01:57:37,920
Speaker 4: the guy that you guys have been telling me he

2523
01:57:37,960 --> 01:57:40,440
Speaker 4: has been playing all year. This is this is why

2524
01:57:40,520 --> 01:57:42,680
Speaker 4: I don't go, I go. I don't gotch about it

2525
01:57:42,880 --> 01:57:45,800
Speaker 4: because this was different. Now you see what what elite

2526
01:57:45,880 --> 01:57:48,000
Speaker 4: play is as opposed to run of the mill play.

2527
01:57:48,400 --> 01:57:50,880
Speaker 4: There's a difference. I was like, so like over the

2528
01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:54,080
Speaker 4: top he was Evans right, he was great that day?

2529
01:57:54,160 --> 01:57:55,720
Speaker 4: He was he and then he never did.

2530
01:57:55,760 --> 01:57:58,720
Speaker 3: There was there was a timeline that he could have

2531
01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:01,200
Speaker 3: been a good quarterback here. We just do not live

2532
01:58:01,240 --> 01:58:03,600
Speaker 3: in that universe, but there was a way.

2533
01:58:05,080 --> 01:58:07,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, that's gonna be it for this edition

2534
01:58:08,000 --> 01:58:13,040
Speaker 2: of Patriots Unfiltered Attitude Undone all the good. We got

2535
01:58:13,120 --> 01:58:17,400
Speaker 2: a lot going on next Tuesday, Mark's Draft week, so

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01:58:17,560 --> 01:58:18,680
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