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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Today the show We're doing something a little bit different.

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Speaker 1: Is Dan and I discuss why and how we plan

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Speaker 1: our first non white tailed big game hunts out west

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Speaker 1: and why you might want to consider a similar adventure.

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Speaker 1: This episode is sure to get you dream big, so

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Speaker 1: settling and John all right, welcome to the wire to

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Speaker 1: Hunt podcast. And with me today on the show is

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Speaker 1: just my trusty co host Dan Johnson. Dan, how you doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing good. But I'm not in front of my

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Speaker 1: computer at home. I know it sounds a little different,

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Speaker 1: sounds like you are definitely not at work. So that's

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Speaker 1: a good thing, right, I am not at work. I

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Speaker 1: am sitting on a dirt road right now, in the

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Speaker 1: middle of nowhere, just so like I'm close enough to

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Speaker 1: the I don't know, I can see I can see

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Speaker 1: a cell phone tower in the distance flashing lights, so

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Speaker 1: I'm good enough to get reception. But in the least

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Speaker 1: populated county in the United States that is awesome. That's

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Speaker 1: a pretty pretty cool thing to being. I guess not

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Speaker 1: many people have probably ever been somewhere with so few people.

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Speaker 1: I bet, um, you know it is isolated. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you want to come, if you want to ever

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Speaker 1: be alone, this is the place you come. I guess. So, well,

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Speaker 1: that's pretty awesome that you're able to join us for

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Speaker 1: the podcast despite the fact that you're out there in

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Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere. And it's really cool because what

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about today is, you know, is exactly

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Speaker 1: what you're doing right now. Um, Today, I wanted us

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Speaker 1: to talk about white tail hunters going west, or going north,

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Speaker 1: or going anywhere except for where they usually go hunting

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Speaker 1: white tails. Um, I want to talk about how white

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Speaker 1: tail hunters, what it's like for white tail hunter to

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Speaker 1: go hunt something different. Maybe it's big game. Maybe you're

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Speaker 1: hunting elk out in the Rocky Mountains. Maybe you're doing

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Speaker 1: what you're doing, which is hunting mule deer out west.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you're going up north chasing moose, whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: I kind of want to talk about our own experiences

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Speaker 1: about chasing something different than white tails. I know we've

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Speaker 1: both been able to try that. Now um, So that's

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Speaker 1: kind of what I'm thinking we should kind of focus

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Speaker 1: on um tonight, and I want to get things kicked

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Speaker 1: off though about hearing how you're doing, because I haven't

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Speaker 1: really got any kind of scoop from you yet about

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Speaker 1: this hunt. Um. So for the listeners out there, can

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Speaker 1: you first fill us in on you know, where the

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Speaker 1: heck you are, where this least populated county in the

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Speaker 1: country is, and what you're doing out there. I am

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Speaker 1: in Arthur County, Nebraska, and let's see, I'm about forty

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Speaker 1: or fifty miles I believe from the Colorado border, and

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Speaker 1: it is it's grasslands. I mean it's you get to

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Speaker 1: and all you see is just it just looks like infinity.

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Speaker 1: I mean you can see forever, um, just hill after

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Speaker 1: hill after hill, mule deer, antelope, white tails. Um, they

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Speaker 1: got it all here. I even saw some Merriam turkeys, so,

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Speaker 1: which is strange because I think I think it was Miriam's. Yeah, pretty,

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's Miriam's, but there's no trees for

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Speaker 1: where they go at night. Anyway, it's, uh, it's gorgeous

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Speaker 1: but I just always what I've loved about the West.

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Speaker 1: just something. It's it's like it was like a rude

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Speaker 1: this is a different planet. It's it's it's nuts, just

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Speaker 1: That's a pretty cool thing. So yeah, and the thing

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Speaker 1: which I definitely want to talk more about kind of

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Speaker 1: the things that have driven me out west and maybe

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Speaker 1: what drove you out there too. I'm curious, you know,

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Speaker 1: right now, you're, what three or four days in the hunt,

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Speaker 1: you're chasing meal there. What's the status report, Dan? What's happening?

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Speaker 1: Do you have anything on the ground yet? Man? I

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Speaker 1: wish this is not This is not your Midwest hunting

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Speaker 1: at all. Um. There's no cover, so they're bedded down

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Speaker 1: I mean they're always they see you before, you know.

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Speaker 1: busted instantly to two or three rigs over like what

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Speaker 1: am I doing wrong? So you know, it's definitely a

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Speaker 1: this morning I had a white tailed buck that I

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Speaker 1: I haven't even seen a mule beer buck yet, but

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Speaker 1: I like tonight I just got off of a sword

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Speaker 1: sixteen mule beer does in their fonts. So an antelope man,

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Speaker 1: they are a different route. I mean, they are so

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Speaker 1: So that antelope is going to be a struggle, I think.

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Speaker 1: so what do you do? Or four more days? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: What are you targeting at this point? Are you still

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Speaker 1: My goal has changed from the very first two days.

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Speaker 1: It was I'm gonna go out there, I'm gonna glass

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Speaker 1: my lass. I'm gonna try to find a you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, spotting and stocking it would be awesome. I'd

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Speaker 1: I think there's something to be gained just by having

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Speaker 1: kyle or a dough meal deer or whatever. Um, I

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Speaker 1: can't imagine it'll be pretty awesome even if you do

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Speaker 1: and um, I was glass in this this hill, and

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Speaker 1: guys are listening to what we're talking about here, and

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00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 1: they're thinking themselves, you know what, maybe I need to

425
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 1: get out there and try something like this. Um. You know,

426
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 1: how Dan did you go about preparing for this? Um?

427
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: You know, I'm I'm preparing for my second elk cutting

428
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: trip right now and leaving in a couple of days,

429
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: so I can share a few things about what I've

430
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: learned about the preparation. But I'm curious for you, you know,

431
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: deciding on this a couple of months ago. What have

432
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 1: you done to get ready for this hunt, to plan

433
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 1: this hunt, and to actually get out there and do it. Oh? Man,

434
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,719
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many hours I have looked

435
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 1: at aerial maps of this of this land. UM, talking

436
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 1: with other people who have done it, you know, you know,

437
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: on Facebook, just hey, who's been out west to Nebraska?

438
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: You know, and in someone I will answer you. UM.

439
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: You know, I've done some reading, watched you know, watch

440
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: some shows, watching videos, talk to other hunters who have

441
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: been out here and you have done it. Um, you know,

442
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: talk to the people who live in this area, and

443
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: just you know, try to be a sponge of information

444
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: in that and save money. And you know, this isn't

445
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: like this isn't like Iowa where I can go park

446
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 1: my truck for you know, four hours. While I said

447
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: a tree stand, there's a lot of driving. And that's

448
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: one thing that I to be honest with you, I

449
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: underestimated the amount of driving in the gas money that

450
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: I would need for this trip. So that's a learning

451
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: that's definitely a learning experience. So I mean I'm driving,

452
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: I'm driving a lot of miles too to get to

453
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 1: these locations, and I'm using flour wheel drive that's sucking

454
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: the gas up. So you know, just a little bit

455
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: un underprepared that way. But everything else just I don't know.

456
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 1: I bought extra stocks. I bought a new pair of boots.

457
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: I you know, I bought it's some extra underwear. Um.

458
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: I went to the grocery store and bought you know,

459
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: I try to do the grocery store thing as cheap

460
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: as possible. Um. You know, water, gatorade, bread, and hamwoaf.

461
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: You don't know what if you don't know what hamwoaf is,

462
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: it's the cheapest ham mixed with cheese, calorie stuffed type

463
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: of meat you can find. Only only the best for

464
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: Dallas Fort Worth. That's correct, that's correct. Oh man, So

465
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: what were you what were you looking for for? Yeah,

466
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: maybe for a guy that's thinking about hunting mule deer,

467
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: what should they be looking for when they're taking a

468
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: look at these aerial maps and stuff when they're trying

469
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: to plan their hunt. It sounds like you learned a

470
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: few things from different people, from some different resources you

471
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: tapped into. What was it that you were looking into?

472
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: Um while looking at those maps, man, you know, I

473
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: was just trying to get feel, get away the lay

474
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: of the land. But one thing that I was kind

475
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: of taken surprise by surprise is that the aerial maps

476
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: don't show you is the difference in elevation um and

477
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: how actually big these hills are and how wide these

478
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: valleys are out here. Um. Just it's one of those

479
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,959
Speaker 1: things where you can do all the preparation in the world,

480
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: but until you get out here and and do it.

481
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: You know, it's like it's one of those things like

482
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: you can be book smart or you can have you know,

483
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: the street smarts. Coming out here is definitely a street

484
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: smart education because you can be prepared and know everything

485
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: there is to know about you know, Wally's and uh Nebraska,

486
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: you know, prairie hunting and an animal open, all that stuff.

487
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: But until you actually do it and fail and sail

488
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: or fail again, and that's that's where you're real preparation

489
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: for your next trip kind of comes into play. I mean,

490
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: a guy can, a guy can work out and being

491
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: in great shape, and I'm sure you found miss out.

492
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: But until you and then in the rockies you get

493
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: that elevation, it's a different story. Oh yeah, like you said,

494
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: I think everything you just said they're so true. It's Um,

495
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: I think planning and thinking about a hunt while sitting

496
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: in a computer is just light years different from what

497
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: it actually is like on the ground. Um. And you yeah,

498
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: you have to do as much as you possibly can

499
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: to prepare beforehand, but still go into it. You know,

500
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: you need to know that, Hey, it's gonna be a

501
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: whole another experience once you get out there. Um. Like

502
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: you said. One thing, Like you said, Um, you know,

503
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: I do tons of studying of aerial maps and Google

504
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: Earth and everything. You think you've got an idea of

505
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: the lay of the land and the terrain and everything,

506
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: But like you said, when you're looking at Google Earth,

507
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: even on something like that that shows you the terrain

508
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: and the mountains and everything. What looks like a foothill

509
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: on a map, when you're actually on the ground out there,

510
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: it looks like some real serious work. It's a lot

511
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: different when you're actually out there. And another thing you

512
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: talked about was preparing you know, physically, UM, I don't

513
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: know about for you. I'd be curious to hear if

514
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: you felt like you needed or if you had to

515
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: do anything to prepare for this hunt. But when it

516
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: comes to hunting elk um, at least in the places

517
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: where I'm at and where most people are hunting elk

518
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: up in the high country, it's just a totally different

519
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: experience than chasing white tails. You just really need to

520
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: prepare for that and over prepare, um, because I think

521
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: lots of times people think, well, you know, I'll do

522
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: a couple of runs here and there and just be

523
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,959
Speaker 1: in basic decent shape. But when you're out there with

524
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: a big pack on your back, whether you're day hiking

525
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: in or if your backpack hunting out in the back country, UM,

526
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: you don't want to be not enjoying your hunt because

527
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: you're not physically able to, or if you're you're in

528
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: pain because you've overworked yourself. So for me, you know, luckily,

529
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: I do a lot of trips out west, just like

530
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: I said, to do different backpacking, hiking type things. So

531
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: I've got a decent amount of experience. I know what

532
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: I need to do to get ready for that. But um,

533
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: it's definitely something I wouldn't undersell. It's it's important. Have

534
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: you did you do anything to work physically leading up

535
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: to your trip, Dan, or do you wish you did

536
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: or how you feeling on that front? Well, I'll tell you, Um,

537
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: you know, everybody can always do a little bit more

538
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:33,719
Speaker 1: cardio work out, But for me, I knew that there

539
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: was going to be a lot of leg works involved.

540
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,239
Speaker 1: So when I found out that I was just going

541
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: to be coming out here, man I did I squatted

542
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: and I squatted and squatted and squatted and did the

543
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: lake press machine at my gym and just and and

544
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: did calf raises and just build my legs up as

545
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: as much as I could, I guess, without hurting myself

546
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: and and I believe it kind of helps. Um, But

547
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: you know, walking up the street, you know, a really

548
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: big hill out here. I'm still wounded, but you know,

549
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: after after the first day and the very first morning

550
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: hike in where your heart gets pumping, real, real hard, um,

551
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: and then you're able to what I call get the

552
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: shed hunting ladder. You know, you're you start sweating, you

553
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: get that ladder, You're you're all your joints, your greef

554
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: s up, and you get the girl from for the

555
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: rest of the day. Yeah, it's a good place to be. Yeah.

556
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: What about gear? Um, Are you're packing any different things

557
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: other than what you usually take when you're white tail hunting? Um?

558
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: Is there anything else that someone doing a hunt like

559
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: this should think about. Uh, I'll be completely honest with you.

560
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: The most important thing I have with me, aside from

561
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: you know, aside from the hunt, actual hunting, bow and

562
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: arrow stuff, is a water bladder that I purchased and

563
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: put in my pack. That thing has saved my life

564
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: just because yesterday I peed one time. That's that's still

565
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: a little bit of dehydration. Well yesterday, yesterday it was

566
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: also um ninety degrees out here, so it's it's hot,

567
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: and I was doing a lot of sweating. Um. So,

568
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: but that that thing kept me. You know, you know,

569
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: you can only carry so much stuff with you. And

570
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: that little water bladder that I had, um, you know,

571
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: it pretty much kept me hydrated enough for that for

572
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: just so far the rest of day. Just put a

573
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: little bit more water in it when you go out

574
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: the next morning, and you pretty much set for a day. Yeah,

575
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: that's awesome. For whatever reason, I haven't went to the

576
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: water bladder route. I'm just kind of old school and

577
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,959
Speaker 1: I've always used my water bottles for all my backpacking

578
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: and trips, hiking trips like that. But I kind of

579
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: I feel like I should just man up and get

580
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: one of those, because it seems pretty nice to be

581
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: able to not need to worry about stopping and grabbing

582
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: a bottle. You can just take that hose and drink

583
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: while you go. Oh yeah, that's that's what I've done

584
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: this entire entire week so far. That and you know,

585
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: a good pair of boots, you know, those are breaking

586
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: it all down. There's those are the two the two

587
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: most important things. Yeah, I was gonna say the same thing. Yeah,

588
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: for for any trip, whether it be stock and yield,

589
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 1: deer or elk, or in the mountains or the plains,

590
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: I think boots are just so important. And you know,

591
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 1: for deer hunting. It's important to you want warm boots,

592
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: and you want some boots that are gonna keep you

593
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: dry and relatively sent free. But I think for for

594
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: a hunt where you're on your feet the whole time

595
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: and hiking around, it's just so much more important. Um

596
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: And I think it's some horton not to not to

597
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: buy a pair of hiking boots that you haven't tried yet,

598
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: or if you're gonna buy some online, playing on getting them,

599
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: trying them on, and you know, possibly needing to return them,

600
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: because there really is a lot of difference between different

601
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 1: brands and different styles and how that's gonna fit your

602
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: foot and how that's going to support you for whatever

603
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: type of hunt you're gonna do. There's nothing worse than

604
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: buying a pair of boots and you know, your first

605
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: day having horrible blisters and being you know, in serious

606
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 1: pain the whole rest of your hunt. Right. Well, the thing,

607
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: the thing that I found out is, you know, I

608
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: I would I when I first bought these boots earlier

609
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: in the summer, I would mow my yard in him,

610
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: and how I was even walking on the treadmill in

611
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: my basement with him on. But you you can't. You

612
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:59,479
Speaker 1: can't oh emulate you know, big cliffs or a huge

613
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: drop off at walking sideways on a on a hill

614
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: or um. You can't emulate that. And it's one of

615
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: those things where you really won't know until it's probably

616
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: too late. Yeah, there's some truth to that, Um. And

617
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: so what I always do for my trips is I'm

618
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: always packing a blister repair kit, and there's different things

619
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: like that. I don't know if you've used anything like this,

620
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: dan Um, but there's like stuff called mole skin, which

621
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: is a little padding you got put over a blister

622
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: and cover it up so it's not inside your boots.

623
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: But kind of my hillbilly blister kip. It's just a

624
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: roll of duct tape. I'll just bring a little bit

625
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: of duct tape with me on any trip I ever

626
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: take out West. We're gonna be hiking a lot, and

627
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 1: if I get a blister coming up, I'll just stick

628
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: a little bit of duct tape on it and it

629
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: just slides real nice in my boot the rest of

630
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: the time, and I don't have any issues with it.

631
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: So if you don't have any of the real stuff,

632
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 1: a little bit of duct tape will usually fix the problem.

633
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: That's something that applies to most things in life. Right,

634
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. Now. Uh, what about let's go

635
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: back to actually being in the hunt now, UM, do

636
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: you have any other tips for someone going on a

637
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: mule there hunt from an actual hunting perspective? I mean,

638
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: so far I think I've taken from you, take it slow,

639
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: always be paying attention. Um what what else are they?

640
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: Any other key key lessons that you've learned about the

641
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: actual tactical piece of hunting mule there in a situation

642
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: like you're in. Yeah, I mean there, if the winds come,

643
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: you know, you got to pay attention to the wind.

644
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: If the winds coming over top of the hill, they're

645
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: gonna be if they're bedded on that hill, but they're

646
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: gonna be on the opposite side, so the wind is

647
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: blowing over top of them the hill, Um, so they

648
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: can catch the scent. I've noticed tonight. I noticed that, Um,

649
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: I hunted over top of a green field and I

650
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: watched all these uh, all these mule beer come off

651
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: the hills and they it was almost like a staging

652
00:37:55,640 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: area they had. They kind of just they would they

653
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: crest the ridge or side twice because they never skyline themselves.

654
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: They kind of come around there and then they bed

655
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: down again and they just observed that area. Um, so

656
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: you know it's it's I'm still learning myself. You know,

657
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: this is only gay three for me. So it's like

658
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: me wanting to give someone advice, is I don't know

659
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: what I'm doing yet, right, So I don't. I don't.

660
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: I don't really have any advice except for, um, just

661
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: be as observant as humanly possible. That's probably the buzz

662
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: good advice you can give. I guess, like you said,

663
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: you don't want to do too much blind leading the

664
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: blind exactly. I'm kind of a similar boat too. I

665
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: mean I hunted Elk last week or Latin that last

666
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: week last year for a week, my first time out

667
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: there in Idaho, and learned a lot um. But the

668
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: probably biggest thing I learned is I still don't know

669
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: so much. There's just there's so much to learn. And

670
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: I guess we take that for granted. I think Dan

671
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: with white tails, right, we've been hunting white tails our

672
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: whole lives. We've been studying them in detail, you know,

673
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: for a really long time, and have so much experience

674
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: with it. But going to a totally new place with

675
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: a totally new animal. It's just a different game. It's

676
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: totally different. So I'm still trying to figure out, Okay,

677
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: where the heck do these things bed and when and

678
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: where are they going to feed? And how are they

679
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: traveling and all these different things. And for me, just

680
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: like you said, there's not a whole lot of advice

681
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: I can give to an elk hunter except for prepare

682
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: as much as you can physically learn the land and

683
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: then get away from pressure out here um, out in

684
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: Idaho and Colorado and in most places where there's decent

685
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: elk populations, if you're hunting public land, it's going to

686
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: be you're gonna be usually gonna be competing with other people.

687
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: And from everything I've heard and seen, the farther you

688
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: can get away from access points and roads and other

689
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: campsites or anything like that, you know, the better chance

690
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: you're in have a finding a bowl. Um. And so

691
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: that's something I'm trying to do. And just we're backpacking

692
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: in so we're just hiking in their deep with everything

693
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: on our backs, and uh, just trying to get far

694
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: away from everything and hopefully hopefully find some secluded it

695
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: Herds of elk and then uh again, kind of like

696
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: with white tails. In heavily pressured areas, calling and really

697
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 1: aggressive techniques don't typically work with white tails. Like here

698
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: in Michigan. I'm not going to do a whole bunch

699
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: of rattling or snort wheezing or something, or put a

700
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: decoy in front of the deer because they've seen it

701
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: from twenty other guys over the last two days. Um. Similarly,

702
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: what I've learned is in a lot of these higher

703
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: pressure public lands for elk, same deal. Everyone wants to

704
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 1: go out there with a bugle and make all sorts

705
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: of noise and think that they're going to call on

706
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 1: the great bear herd bowl. But from what I saw

707
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: and from what I've heard from other more experienced hunters,

708
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: that's just not the case. Um, they are. You know,

709
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: they've heard a whole lot of idiot hunters bugling and

710
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: making them sounds like idiots, and they react to that negatively.

711
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: And so I think last year I was pushing a

712
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: lot of elk away because I was trying to call

713
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: too much. So this year I'm gonna I'm gonna do

714
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: a lot more listening and following versus trying to make

715
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of noise myself, So I don't know.

716
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll we'll have a lot more to talk about

717
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: after my hunt. I'm leaving in a couple of days

718
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: here and driving out there to eastern Idaho, and we're

719
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: gonna give it a give the old college try. So

720
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: I think if nothing else, yeah, that's all you can do.

721
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: And if nothing else, for me, I'm thinking it's probably

722
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: the same with you with these first hunts for a

723
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: new animal like this, the new, the new experience. It

724
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: really is about the experience. I'm definitely not the point

725
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: now where I'm not the point yet with el Conny

726
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: where I'm trying to, you know, get a trophy or

727
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: shoot a shoot a big mature bull or anything. And

728
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be disappointed if I don't. For me,

729
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: it's being out there seeing something new, learning something new,

730
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 1: um and challenging myself in different ways. Yeah, for sure,

731
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: same here. Yeah. So what do you think, Dan, if

732
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: there's if there was someone out there on the fence

733
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: about trying something new, would you would you recommend to

734
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,439
Speaker 1: someone right now it's a hardcore white to hunter, would

735
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: you recommend they go out west or go up north

736
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: or go somewhere different and hunt some other big game. Um.

737
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: And if so, why, Man? You only live once and

738
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: I've you know, I try to live my life with

739
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: no regrets, you know, saying oh I should have done this,

740
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: I should have done that. Um. And that's kind of

741
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: what made me decided to do this trip. UM. So yes,

742
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: do something different, go outside of your comfort zone. And

743
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 1: I you know, I was scared, I shouldn't say scared,

744
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: but a little nervous, you know, driving out here. What

745
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 1: am I doing? What? You know? What's this all about?

746
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: You get out here, you learn it. It's a new experience.

747
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: The cool thing is as watching how animal move. Animals

748
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: move with no trees and watching how they use the

749
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: way of the land is something that I'm going to

750
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: be able to take back to Iowa to hunt because

751
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: watching watching a deer moved through the woods, it's like

752
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: one of those things you can't see the forest because

753
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: of the trees. Here's here, there's no forest, so you

754
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: get to watch their movements, you know, how they use

755
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: the wind to their advantage with no trees. And I'm

756
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: going to be able to take that back to Iowa.

757
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: And I already have a couple of spots picked out

758
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: where I think I need to move my tree stands

759
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: to a different location, you know, because I'm I'm thinking

760
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 1: like that. So so to answer your question, yes, everybody

761
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: should try something different, whether it's you know, going to

762
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: hunt help neel, deer, moose, hunting white kills in a

763
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: different state, it's just it's it's a different experience that

764
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: will make you a better hunter. Yeah, I'm right there

765
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: with you. I think it's it's one of those things

766
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: where I think a lot of people just get set

767
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: in their ways and their comfort zone and they know

768
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: what they do and they know they like it. And

769
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys who say, I love hunting

770
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: white tails, I love this doing this thing every fall.

771
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: Why would I do anything different? And I think in

772
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: a lot of cases, you just don't know what you're

773
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: missing until you experience it, and you I feel like,

774
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: like we've talked about, I feel like going out west

775
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: and doing this different type of hunting, hunting elk opened

776
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: up a whole different part of the hunt for me.

777
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 1: It's a whole another like a box in the hunting

778
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: world that I had never looked into before, and I

779
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: opened it up and It opened up this whole different

780
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: piece of what it means to be a hunter and

781
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: what hunting means, and what I need to do to

782
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: be a to be a successful hunter. Um it just

783
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: opened up all these differ possibilities and it engaged me.

784
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,720
Speaker 1: Like I said before, it engages you as a hunter

785
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: in ways that's really really I guess I don't I

786
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: don't really know the words. Words aren't coming. But special.

787
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: It's something really unique, and it's special and it's worth experiencing.

788
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: And for me, now that I have experienced it, I

789
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:24,919
Speaker 1: don't see myself ever not coming out here as as

790
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 1: often as I can, as as often as time allows

791
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: and I can afford it. I'll be coming out here

792
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: at least every year, hopefully to chase some kind of

793
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: big game manual out west or up in Alaska or

794
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: Canada or whatever it is, whatever I can manage to

795
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,439
Speaker 1: pull off. This is the type of hunting that UM

796
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: I would like to continue to do because it's an

797
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: awesome experience. It's an incredible challenge, and UM, I think

798
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: for a lot of people that live east of the Mississippi,

799
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: which the large majority of deer hunters do, but there's

800
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: a lot of beautiful country on the eastern part of

801
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: the country, and in the Midwest and the south, awesome country.

802
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: But there, at least for me personally, there's just something

803
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: and special about going out west. It's why I don't en.

804
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: There's not as many people, and it's just gorgeous country.

805
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: From the grasslands and Nebraska and the Colorado, you hit

806
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: the mountain ranges and it is just it is it

807
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: just it hits me somewhere deep down, and I just

808
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: feel like there's something out there that calls to me,

809
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 1: and I when the mountains call, I have to go.

810
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: And so that's, uh, that's what I'll be doing, probably

811
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: for the rest of my life. Yeah, it's good stuff,

812
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: that's for sure. So I don't know. I think we

813
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: made ourselves pitched everyone out there. I think, uh, we've

814
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: now done it. We've both now gone out west and

815
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,479
Speaker 1: tried some different kind of hunting. Of course, we still

816
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 1: love hunting white tails a ton, and that's what we

817
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: do the most of the time. So I think for

818
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: everyone out there listening, don't feel like you need to

819
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: give up on white tails or give up on your

820
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: passion or anything, but try something different. Ever, once in

821
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: a while, I think it'll make you enjoy hunting even

822
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: more and appreciate certain things about white tails too, I

823
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: think to a degree. So what do you think, Dan,

824
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: what's the plan for tomorrow for the hunt tomorrow? Are

825
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: you gonna make it happen? I'm gonna I'm gonna go

826
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: way down to do state record in Nebraska. You gear,

827
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: all right, is this the state state record spike? I'm

828
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: gonna probably shoot a dell. Okay, that'd be pretty sweet.

829
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: If you can pull off a spot and stock on

830
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: a doll, That's that's an awesome accomplishment for your first time.

831
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: I think, Oh yeah, I'm I'm gonna be tomorrow packing

832
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: up my bags and uh loaning things up, seeing how

833
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 1: light I can get my pack. I'm hoping to have

834
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 1: a relatively light backpack to take into the mountains, because

835
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to be carrying the whole kitchen sink

836
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: five miles or ten miles into the wilderness. So I'm

837
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: gonna working on that tomorrow, and then early the next

838
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: day we'll be piling in a minivan. We've we've convert

839
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: a minivan into the elkmobile for us, and we're gonna

840
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: be driving twenty four hours into Idaho. So I'm I'm

841
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: pretty stoked for that. Sounds good. Well, good luck Mark,

842
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: I hope you uh, I hope you shoot a slab.

843
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: I appreciate buddy, and good luck to you too, And

844
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: probably by the next podcast episode, we'll have some updates

845
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: on both of our hunts for the Wired Hunt Nation.

846
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: So I'll let you go, Dan and uh, let's talk soon,

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Speaker 1: all right, we'll talk when you get back. Sounds good, buddy,

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Speaker 1: shoot a big one. Yeah. Well, I know this episode

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Speaker 1: was different than usual, but I hope you were maybe

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Speaker 1: just a little bit inspired to try something new yourself.

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Speaker 1: And as I record this, I am literally just minutes

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Speaker 1: away from leaving from my own Idaho outcome and adventure.

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Speaker 1: So hopefully Dave and I will both have some good

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Speaker 1: stories for you soon, and then before we know it,

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Speaker 1: white Tail season will be here too. That said, as always,

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Speaker 1: if you've been enjoying the podcast, we would greatly appreciate

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Speaker 1: it if you could leave us a rating or review

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Speaker 1: on iTunes. It takes it a few seconds and it

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Speaker 1: really helps our cause. Big thanks to the sixties seven

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Speaker 1: of you that have already done that. Speaking of appreciation,

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Speaker 1: we'd like to thank our partners who helped make this

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Speaker 1: show possible. Big thanks to Sick of Gear, Redkneck Blinds,

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Speaker 1: Big and J Longrange Attractings, and the White Tailed Institute

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Speaker 1: of North America. Finally, be sure to visit Wired and

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Speaker 1: Hunt dot com slash episode three to view the show

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Speaker 1: notes and links from today's episode that said, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for being here with us today. Until next week,

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Speaker 1: Let's stay Wired to Hunt