Speaker 1: Sauce on the side. Wow, another week without Diamond.
Speaker 2: Where is she? I don't know, You'll never know.
Speaker 1: She's a big time in me man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so true.
Speaker 1: Wow, I thought I had producers. Oh wait here you
Speaker 1: are Hi. Hi, It's Andrew. I'm Gandhi and this is
Speaker 1: Sauce on the Side. Today we actually have a guest
Speaker 1: who I think a lot of people will be very
Speaker 1: excited about because he's a babe. I'm gonna be able
Speaker 1: to keep it together for this one.
Speaker 2: I love bet for you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I get very sweaty around people I'm actually attracted to,
Speaker 1: and I can't function or say normal things.
Speaker 3: I almost feel like that you believe videos where it's
Speaker 3: like the red flag meter, except I just need your
Speaker 3: hydration meter a sweat drop Poe.
Speaker 1: I can wholeheartedly admire that he is a babe, but
Speaker 1: he's not the type that's gonna make me sweat.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna be.
Speaker 1: Okay here, all right. He's here to talk about all
Speaker 1: kinds of things, his skincare line. He's been doing a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff, But in my head and maybe in
Speaker 1: a lot of other people's head, he is forever John Tucker.
Speaker 1: John Tucker must die I have a friend who got
Speaker 1: John Tuckard in high school because he was doing the
Speaker 1: same crap dating a bunch of people. I think it
Speaker 1: might be like traumatic for him, which makes me laugh
Speaker 1: because I'm like, you traumatize all these people first, and
Speaker 1: then they just got you back, and you're upset about it.
Speaker 1: They basically tried to like abandon him, Nickdow.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's just hysterical though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, things happen, and good for them. That's what. Yes,
Speaker 1: Rise up, ladies, Yes, get.
Speaker 2: Your revenge, Get your revenge.
Speaker 1: Also, funniest thing about John Tucker Must Die is I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure every person in that movie was like thirty
Speaker 1: years old when they were filming it. It was like
Speaker 1: a shanty.
Speaker 3: Yes, it wasn't like Mean Girls, where like you could
Speaker 3: see the age, Like and Lindsay Olhanan was what like
Speaker 3: seventeen playing like a sophomore.
Speaker 1: Regina George was like twenty eight playing a senior.
Speaker 3: But she looked like a senior. Yeah, Rachel McAdams looked
Speaker 3: like she could still be in high school.
Speaker 1: I don't even know anymore.
Speaker 3: I mean the fact that she was only like six
Speaker 3: or seven years younger than Amy Poehler who played her moms.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cracks me up.
Speaker 1: So offensive for Amy Pohlar, do you guess?
Speaker 3: But John Tucker must. I literally was like, hey, thirty
Speaker 3: year olds, you're in high school now. They did the
Speaker 3: Ben Platt from Dear Evan Hanson.
Speaker 1: That movie, that movie Pisces Andrew off so bad.
Speaker 2: Play the movie, all of it.
Speaker 1: And it's triggered. Do not bring up Evan Hanson, Dear
Speaker 1: Evan Hansen. Don't do it, he said. He laughed his
Speaker 1: way through it. By the way, it is about suicide,
Speaker 1: so we'll start there. Andrew just had a ball.
Speaker 2: With that one.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you something. There's a lot more to
Speaker 3: it that they don't mention.
Speaker 1: Would you like to mention it? This is a free space.
Speaker 2: This the intro.
Speaker 3: Last time we were going to do an intro to
Speaker 3: go into an interview, it took thirty minutes, so we
Speaker 3: could do it in the outro if we want to.
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough. So I still don't think I'm able
Speaker 1: to talk about it fully yet. But I was told
Speaker 1: when I started this podcast that this is like my domain.
Speaker 1: You can do what you want to do, you can
Speaker 1: say what you want to say, have a good time.
Speaker 1: And then we interviewed someone, and then I found out
Speaker 1: real quick that apparently it is not my domain and
Speaker 1: it is not my podcast. And when I tell you,
Speaker 1: I have a list of grief and says that went
Speaker 1: on their hardcore. So one of these days I'm gonna
Speaker 1: talk about it, maybe like two episodes from now, because
Speaker 1: I think everybody has probably stopped listening.
Speaker 2: Who was a nice tease?
Speaker 1: Really caring? Ye keep listening and I'll tell you why
Speaker 1: I'm pissed off. But yeah, so I don't think anyone's
Speaker 1: gonna give you shit if you light up, Dear Vanhanson
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 3: I'm afraid that if I go into it, then you're
Speaker 3: gonna be like ha ha, and then we're going to
Speaker 3: talk about something else because we just get distracted so
Speaker 3: easily from each other.
Speaker 1: You do ramble, That's true. We get paid to ramble.
Speaker 2: Thank you, We do.
Speaker 3: We you do?
Speaker 1: Okay, if you were to say what what, let's start
Speaker 1: with you. What is your job description?
Speaker 3: Technically it's the operations manager for the morning show, which
Speaker 3: basically just like keep everybody happy somehow, which exactly see
Speaker 3: you left me very happy.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying tasking someone with keeping this show.
Speaker 1: Happy is insane when you have all these different personalities.
Speaker 2: It's, in so many words, being an adult babysitter.
Speaker 1: First of all, I resent that.
Speaker 2: Well where that's it exactly?
Speaker 4: Can you?
Speaker 3: And my other job is the executive producer for the
Speaker 3: podcast network, So just get new shows. Yeah, Honestly, it's
Speaker 3: why I think i'd be great on Survivor. A lot
Speaker 3: of management, a lot of managing people and their egos,
Speaker 3: and also like time and budgets and all this other stuff.
Speaker 3: It's like a lot of things wrapped into one.
Speaker 1: Okay, where are you at with Survivor?
Speaker 2: So I'm making a new video.
Speaker 1: How many have you made?
Speaker 3: I have been actively applying since I got rejected for
Speaker 3: that original one, originally for going.
Speaker 2: Out to cast.
Speaker 3: Yeahs ago no ten seasons ago, thirty seven, thirty eight
Speaker 3: was the one that I was invited to finals casting for.
Speaker 2: Okay, So now I'm gonna taste.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm using a friend on the inside to hopefully
Speaker 3: fast track this next.
Speaker 2: I won't say that fingers crossed, don't say that. I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 3: Oh God, again, it's the casting person listening, because then
Speaker 3: I guess what they come to you.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be like I owe you nothing.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: Listen, if a casting person came to me about this
Speaker 1: first of all, it'd be too late because they already
Speaker 1: heard it true. But I would, for your sake edit
Speaker 1: something and then tell them after I owe you nothing, okay, yes,
Speaker 1: or just right back all.
Speaker 2: And then if they don't respond after you do it, judge.
Speaker 1: Je me sauty tapping. Yes, we need to figure that out. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we have John Tucker must Die. Maybe later Andrew
Speaker 1: will give you his full review of Dear.
Speaker 2: Yes, why he's so triggered by it.
Speaker 1: Also, he's been really triggered by Benson Boone's mystical magical song.
Speaker 2: I just can't It's so shreaky.
Speaker 1: The man rageous about it. Oh God, it makes you
Speaker 1: want to want Andrew die. Hate Ben some Boone, and
Speaker 1: I don't understand it. He thinks he's overrated. I think
Speaker 1: Andrew's crazy because I love Benson Boone and you will
Speaker 1: never take him from me.
Speaker 2: I trust me. I'm not trying to grab him from you.
Speaker 1: We'll see about that, but somebody, maybe some people will
Speaker 1: be trying to grab today. Jesse Metcalf, All right, I'm
Speaker 1: here with Jesse Metcalf.
Speaker 2: Hello, Hello.
Speaker 1: I'm very excited about this for multiple reasons. One, you
Speaker 1: have a lot of stuff to talk about with your
Speaker 1: Is it neutral? Am I saying neutral neutral skincare sounds good?
Speaker 1: But you also have a ton of projects and John
Speaker 1: Tucker Must Die. Does that ever get old.
Speaker 2: To talk about?
Speaker 4: No, it doesn't, No, it doesn't. It's something I'm really
Speaker 4: proud of. It's kind of reached this sort of cult
Speaker 4: classic status, you know, which I think is pretty cool,
Speaker 4: sort of stood the test of time, even though it
Speaker 4: was critically panned it when it came out.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Feel like the critics are bombs because some of the
Speaker 1: best movies they have panned. American History acts they panned,
Speaker 1: and that's one of my favorite.
Speaker 2: Oh that's insane.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and you look back at the old
Speaker 4: Rotten Tomatoes ratings and they were a lot harsher, you know.
Speaker 4: Nowadays it's like one hundred percent Rotten Tomatoes, Right, perfect movie,
Speaker 4: Ye go see it?
Speaker 1: What else? What else?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 1: In your opinion, a movie that's been panned that you
Speaker 1: thought was a good one?
Speaker 4: I mean so many, honestly, so many. I mean I
Speaker 4: don't I don't really have one on the tip of
Speaker 4: my tongue. But I don't really listen to the critics
Speaker 4: all that much. But I'm not a big Marvel guy.
Speaker 4: I'm not a big mainstream sort of summer blockbuster, okay, guy.
Speaker 4: I definitely like movies that are a little more left
Speaker 4: to center, a little more indie, Like what are.
Speaker 1: If you were recommending a movie to someone to watch
Speaker 1: this the.
Speaker 4: Movie that broke Mark Ruffalo's career, Ken Flanagan movie called
Speaker 4: You Can count On Me as pretty spectacular, really, you know,
Speaker 4: storytelling and the performances are unreal.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: But I mean there's so many independent movies.
Speaker 4: I mean, like look Anura you know, look at all
Speaker 4: the oscars Anura one.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean it's like there's a little bit of an
Speaker 4: independent film renaissance going on right now, which I think
Speaker 4: is pretty cool.
Speaker 1: And I love talking to actors about things that are
Speaker 1: outside of the realm of specifically what they do, because
Speaker 1: you get such a good insight into them as a person.
Speaker 1: I would never have thought John Tucker from a very
Speaker 1: long time ago obviously would be talking about how amazing
Speaker 1: independent films are.
Speaker 4: Okay, I don't think it's that much of a stretch,
Speaker 4: for sure, you know, you kind.
Speaker 1: Of pigeonhole people into the that they're doing well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Hollywood does Hollywood does that pretty well, and the
Speaker 4: media at large, So I guess you're part of the media.
Speaker 1: I'm guilty. Yes, this is terrible. Let's talk about your
Speaker 1: skincare line.
Speaker 2: Please.
Speaker 1: Where did this originate and how long ago?
Speaker 4: Well, I've been asked my entire career about my skincare
Speaker 4: routine on the red carpet. That's nice, you know, twenty
Speaker 4: six years in front of the camera. I feel like
Speaker 4: I've tried nearly every product under the sun, and I
Speaker 4: wanted to create a skincare line that was simple but
Speaker 4: incredibly effective, that's sort of cut through the noise of
Speaker 4: a cluttered skincare market. You know, we call it neutral,
Speaker 4: you know, it spelled phonetically and U trl skin for
Speaker 4: a reason because it's a gender neutral skincare line and
Speaker 4: it's very, very clean, probably the cleanest line on the market.
Speaker 4: We have no fragrances, no parabins, no silicones, cruelty free, vegan,
Speaker 4: completely organic, and.
Speaker 2: It's great for all skin types.
Speaker 4: You know, if you have sensitive skin, this is a
Speaker 4: product line that's not going to irritate your skin, but
Speaker 4: is also going to give you the anti aging benefits
Speaker 4: that you're looking for.
Speaker 1: You do look like you have not aged at all.
Speaker 2: Benjamin Button, not bad.
Speaker 1: How long ago did you start this project?
Speaker 2: I started formulating these products two years ago.
Speaker 1: And you when you said you started formulating, you said,
Speaker 1: I am going to go into the.
Speaker 4: Last I said I was gonna I said, I was
Speaker 4: going to take some industry standards like glycolic acid, hyaluronic acid,
Speaker 4: alosorbic acid, do a product line around these these acids,
Speaker 4: and also add some top of the line peptide complexes.
Speaker 4: And that's what I've done. I also wanted to make
Speaker 4: sure that the product was uber clean.
Speaker 1: So when you talk about uber clean and vegan cruelty free,
Speaker 1: So where do you guys test? How does this happen?
Speaker 4: I mean it's a pretty arduous process, you know. I
Speaker 4: mean you got to you got to go through quite
Speaker 4: a rigorous testing process and a lab, and you know,
Speaker 4: you need to get.
Speaker 2: Scientists to basically formulate your product for you.
Speaker 1: And how did you find your scientists?
Speaker 4: I found them through you know, I have a silent
Speaker 4: business partner who's an absolutely great guy, really really supports me.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm more forward facing with the brand, but
Speaker 4: he had some really great relationships and he introduced me
Speaker 4: to some people out of Las Vegas who have a
Speaker 4: great track record and do a lot of other really
Speaker 4: incredible products, and it was it was a perfect fit.
Speaker 4: Where can people find it on the website neutral skin dot.
Speaker 1: Com, that's nut rlskin dot com.
Speaker 2: Yes, and get the product for fifty percent.
Speaker 1: On oh Wow, one day only.
Speaker 4: Actually, I think the products available for the week good.
Speaker 1: To know, So go check that out. Andrew over here
Speaker 1: has been stalking it and he wants to try it,
Speaker 1: so we will make sure that he does that.
Speaker 2: We will make sure to get Andrew some product a SAP.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Andrew, so you've got this going, but you also
Speaker 1: have so much other stuff happening right now. I creature Instagram.
Speaker 1: Did I see you in an episode of Law and Order?
Speaker 4: I was, yeah, you were. Yeah, I was just recently
Speaker 4: shooting pretty much right around the corner from here or.
Speaker 1: People cursing that you guys for something down the streets
Speaker 1: nor No.
Speaker 4: You know that that show is really well received in
Speaker 4: the city. People get excited actually when they see that
Speaker 4: you're shooting.
Speaker 2: Law and Order. I had an absolute blast.
Speaker 4: I mean, I would love to be, you know, a
Speaker 4: series regular on some show in the Dick Wolf universe.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I mean I.
Speaker 4: Sort of filled in for macad Brooks, and you know,
Speaker 4: I was I was chasing down an insurance company CEO shooter.
Speaker 4: You know. It was a pretty actually controversial episode and
Speaker 4: it was also left open ended. You didn't get the
Speaker 4: verdict from the jury, you know, so it was very
Speaker 4: culturally relevant episode and you know I had it was
Speaker 4: a lot of action. You know, we was awfully cold
Speaker 4: in the city. You know, it was how long ago
Speaker 4: did you shoot that?
Speaker 3: Geez?
Speaker 2: I think it was.
Speaker 4: I think it was.
Speaker 2: I think it was in December. Oh wow, yeah, so
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 2: It was a while back.
Speaker 4: But uh yeah, I mean, I mean, you know, I'm
Speaker 4: a big fan of of of all those shows.
Speaker 2: You know, they lasted every Yeah, seriously.
Speaker 1: Is there one specific that you like better than the others?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 4: I like the og Law and Order, you know, which
Speaker 4: is the show that I was on, but Law and
Speaker 4: Order SVU obviously with Marishka Hargatea and Kelly Giddish who
Speaker 4: I worked with on another law enforcement procedural, a show
Speaker 4: that we did called Chase back in the day that
Speaker 4: only lasted a season, but there's not many episodic television
Speaker 4: shows that go you know, twenty two, twenty three, twenty
Speaker 4: four episodes anymore. So it's really, uh, it's a great
Speaker 4: gig for an actor if you if you can land
Speaker 4: one of those.
Speaker 1: I would love to see you as a series right now.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Mark, Thank you.
Speaker 1: Do you have when you because obviously that is a
Speaker 1: goal or dream. Is there a role that you say,
Speaker 1: this is what I've been pursuing, this is something that
Speaker 1: I really want to do, you know.
Speaker 4: I I would just obviously like the opportunity to you know,
Speaker 4: flex my acting chops a little bit more and get
Speaker 4: some more complicated characters and some some some deeper roles.
Speaker 2: And some dramas.
Speaker 4: You know, I was a big fan of the True
Speaker 4: Detective series. You know, I'd love to do something a
Speaker 4: little darker, a little grittier like that. But you know,
Speaker 4: I often get asked, you know, is there is there
Speaker 4: one role that you you know, have sort of dreamed
Speaker 4: of always playing. And it's a very difficult question to answer,
Speaker 4: you know, It's it's really just about the quality of material.
Speaker 4: You know, I think you're sort of defined by the
Speaker 4: choices you made earlier early in your career, and you've
Speaker 4: got to convince people that that you can do more,
Speaker 4: you know, and it's you're constantly reinventing yourself in this business.
Speaker 4: So that's sort of what I'm in the process of doing.
Speaker 1: Okay, So when you talk about that and you say
Speaker 1: you're sort of pigeonholed because I did it to you
Speaker 1: a second ago, would you go back and change anything
Speaker 1: from the beginning of your career because of that?
Speaker 4: I mean, there's there's plenty of things that I would
Speaker 4: do differently in my life and in my career. I
Speaker 4: don't think you could find anyone who would say, oh, no,
Speaker 4: I did everything perfectly. I did everything just as I planned.
Speaker 1: Do you say that? Because I actually work with someone
Speaker 1: who says he has zero regrets, I'm like, how, what
Speaker 1: are you insane?
Speaker 2: No, he's just lying, right. I can understand you.
Speaker 1: Saying I've learned from everything and it brought me to
Speaker 1: the place where I am right now. But no regret.
Speaker 1: How continue?
Speaker 4: So I think, yeah, I agree with you. I think
Speaker 4: that you can respect your journey, you know, and and
Speaker 4: acknowledge that maybe certain missteps that you might have made helped,
Speaker 4: you know, create you and and helped you grow. I
Speaker 4: know I certainly have grown immensely from early in my career,
Speaker 4: but I think once you break as an actor. So look,
Speaker 4: I did like five years on daytime television. I did
Speaker 4: a soap opera called Passions, this ridiculous, supernatural soap opera
Speaker 4: that sounds great, was also a close a cult classic
Speaker 4: in its own right, you know, in daytime. But after
Speaker 4: that I sort of took the leap to prime time
Speaker 4: and I and I made it. You know, I broke
Speaker 4: with Desperate Housewives, which is an iconic show. But after
Speaker 4: you know, sort of breaking as it were. You know,
Speaker 4: you need to make very strategic choices, and it may
Speaker 4: take one year, two years, three years to get that
Speaker 4: next role or that next opportunity that's going to take
Speaker 4: you to the next level, you know.
Speaker 2: And you have to be very strategic.
Speaker 4: You can't just jump at the first thing that's presented
Speaker 4: to you, you know. And I was, you know, I'm
Speaker 4: a small town Connecticut boy. I came from pretty humble beginnings,
Speaker 4: you know, very lower middle class, and then we worked
Speaker 4: our way into the middle class, you know, sort of
Speaker 4: blue collar family. So you know, when someone told me
Speaker 4: I was going to make you know X if I
Speaker 4: did this or did that. I mean, I jumped at
Speaker 4: these opportunities, you know.
Speaker 2: But I think you have to.
Speaker 4: It's just as powerful, you know, to say no as
Speaker 4: it is to say yes. You know, So you have
Speaker 4: to be strategic, you know. And then you know, based
Speaker 4: on the choices that you make, people form an opinion
Speaker 4: about you, about what you're capable of, you know.
Speaker 2: And and you know, I'm not.
Speaker 4: I didn't come on your your show to you know,
Speaker 4: tell tell you my sob story, you know. I mean
Speaker 4: it's like it's like, yeah, I've I've had a very
Speaker 4: successful career and I've lived a very great life, you know,
Speaker 4: in Hollywood. But I mean there's there's always things that
Speaker 4: in retrospect, you might have done a little bit.
Speaker 1: Differently, for sure. I mean I think that would, like
Speaker 1: you said, be the case with anybody. I love my
Speaker 1: job now. I'm so lucky to be where I am
Speaker 1: at the moment. I made so many missteps on my
Speaker 1: way getting here that if I could go back and
Speaker 1: change it, yeah, I totally would. Specifically, like I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have let certain people treat me a certain
Speaker 1: way because I to your point, have realized the power
Speaker 1: of no is so much more. It's a lot stronger
Speaker 1: than always saying yes, I'm trying to please people, because
Speaker 1: as soon as you stop, all of a sudden, oh
Speaker 1: my god, no, somebody gives a shit and they respect
Speaker 1: you a little bit more. So that's kind of, I think,
Speaker 1: a universal thing that people would have hopefully learn from
Speaker 1: their past.
Speaker 2: Definitely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you wouldn't You don't want to name specifically,
Speaker 1: like what you would or wouldn't have done differently.
Speaker 2: Well, it's maybe the opposite of you. I never let
Speaker 2: anybody mistreat me.
Speaker 4: Well that's nice, but I was so triggered by maybe
Speaker 4: the smallest thing in my career, you know, when I
Speaker 4: was younger, you know, I had a bit of a
Speaker 4: chip on my shoulder that I would just like avisce
Speaker 4: array somebody really, you know, if I thought they were
Speaker 4: disrespecting me, you know, And I think again, you have
Speaker 4: to be strategic, you have to be diplomatic, you know,
Speaker 4: being an actor, being in the industry is almost like
Speaker 4: being a politician.
Speaker 1: Ah, yes, it is. How much feedback do you look
Speaker 1: at about yourself now that social media is around? Do
Speaker 1: you at all?
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm on social media do you read the
Speaker 2: comment section?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 2: Sometimes good for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that hurts my feelings. I can't do it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talk about this all the time. So again,
Speaker 1: love the show. It's amazing. Within the show. I'm the
Speaker 1: newest to the group, but I'm the co host and
Speaker 1: I'm just different than them in every way. So a
Speaker 1: lot of our longtime listeners have really big feelings about
Speaker 1: a lot of things, and they started a whole rightit
Speaker 1: room about me and how I suck. And I looked
Speaker 1: at it once and I was like, never again, I
Speaker 1: will never do this again.
Speaker 4: That can That can be tough. That can be tough,
Speaker 4: but at least you haven't an impact.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's like, you know what boring?
Speaker 1: Not boring? I will Yeah, that's great. That's the way
Speaker 1: to look at it. Do you have somebody who manages
Speaker 1: your your social media or do it yourself?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: I do it myself.
Speaker 1: Wow? Yeah, Okay. How has social media impacted the way
Speaker 1: that you move now?
Speaker 2: Tremendously? Has it tremendously?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, when these platforms came about, most
Speaker 4: actors during the period I came up in the industry
Speaker 4: resisted being on them, you know, because.
Speaker 2: Well we were.
Speaker 4: We were told that we had to maintain our mystique,
Speaker 4: you know, that that you couldn't share too much about
Speaker 4: your personal life. And I and I still believe that
Speaker 4: to a certain extent. I mean, there are a lot
Speaker 4: of huge actors who you know, very little about their
Speaker 4: personal lives, and I'm sure they're happy to keep it
Speaker 4: that way. But I felt like I needed to embrace
Speaker 4: it because I mean, one, there's a lot of money
Speaker 4: to be made on social media, but two it's a
Speaker 4: way to to kind of take control of your own narrative,
Speaker 4: you know, and and take control of your own image
Speaker 4: and sort of curate, you know, what you want to
Speaker 4: put out there about yourself.
Speaker 1: It is kind of nice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And you can also respond to things on social media,
Speaker 4: and many people do.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't tend to add fuel to a fire, you know,
Speaker 4: if like you know, someone has, you know, come out
Speaker 4: in the press or something and says something negative about me.
Speaker 2: I mean I don't generally like.
Speaker 4: Hop on my social media and like refute it or comment,
Speaker 4: you know, but but you have the opportunity to do that.
Speaker 4: I mean, our president does that, dear God, I mean,
Speaker 4: he lets it rip. He you know, he doesn't let
Speaker 4: anything slot.
Speaker 1: He doesn't, especially things that he's created, is that it's fascinating.
Speaker 1: So when you say that you're kind of moving differently.
Speaker 1: There to be a time you could just walk outside,
Speaker 1: maybe go to the grocery store, and people weren't recording
Speaker 1: you and filming your every move. Now, somebody sees Jesse
Speaker 1: Metcalf walk out of a building, they're probably like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: there it goes, and they record you. Does that change
Speaker 1: your day to day where you go and what you do?
Speaker 4: I feel like we've actually hit a bit of a
Speaker 4: tipping point where there's so much footage of celebrities and
Speaker 4: there's just so much media out there that people care
Speaker 4: less now. I feel like in the early to mid
Speaker 4: two thousands there was much more of an appetite for
Speaker 4: internet media about celebrities and paparazzi shots and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: But I don't feel like it's at such a fever
Speaker 4: pitch as it once was. I don't even think about it.
Speaker 1: You just love life.
Speaker 4: But there was a time, but there was a time
Speaker 4: in my career where it caused me anxiety. You know,
Speaker 4: there was a time in my career where I was
Speaker 4: paranoid about it. You know, there was a time when
Speaker 4: I when I felt like I always had to get
Speaker 4: a constantly look my best, and you know, constantly be
Speaker 4: looking over my shoulder. You know, is somebody recording me
Speaker 4: as someone taking a picture of me. But you know,
Speaker 4: if you're living right, you don't have a whole lot
Speaker 4: to worry about, unless maybe.
Speaker 2: You're picking your nose. Oh yeah, yeah, it was even
Speaker 2: pick my nose, but it looks like it.
Speaker 1: We were at a Mets game and we got very lucky.
Speaker 1: We got to sit in the very front row, right
Speaker 1: behind the catcher, and they zoom in on us, and
Speaker 1: I was sitting like this with my finger under my nose.
Speaker 1: But the angle looks like it's in my nose.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, wow, they got You.
Speaker 1: Got me clearly, not the end of the world. Nobody cared.
Speaker 1: But I think that the fever pitch is a gift
Speaker 1: and a curse because there is that potential for something
Speaker 1: to blow up immediately, and all of a sudden, you
Speaker 1: have all this attention from something very tiny. Also, all
Speaker 1: this attention from something very tiny. But I don't really
Speaker 1: feel that canceling is a thing anymore. The way that
Speaker 1: the cycle moves is so quick that somebody can make
Speaker 1: the worst mistakes, say the most horrible thing one day,
Speaker 1: and a week later, nobody remembers because of how fast
Speaker 1: it's all moving, which is kind of nice and also
Speaker 1: kind of terrible.
Speaker 4: No, I think it's I think it's more nice, though,
Speaker 4: do you think it's more nice? Well, we can't be
Speaker 4: canceling people left, right and center, you know, we need
Speaker 4: to We need to give people. You know, we're all
Speaker 4: human beings, We make mistakes. We need to give people
Speaker 4: second chances. We need to give people the ability to
Speaker 4: redeem themselves, you know, absolutely. And yeah, I mean everything
Speaker 4: that that went on during the COVID era, you know,
Speaker 4: and people losing their livelihoods and their careers and their reputations.
Speaker 2: You know a lot of people are probably.
Speaker 4: Still trying to salvage their lives, you know, from some
Speaker 4: of the things that happened at that time. So I
Speaker 4: definitely don't think that that's right. But I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm a very forgiving, empathetic person, So you know, I
Speaker 4: think every everyone, everyone deserves a second chance and a
Speaker 4: third chance.
Speaker 1: I wholeheartedly agree with you on that. I wanted to
Speaker 1: tibe another fourth chance just three strikes are out, but
Speaker 1: we'll give you the three. I wanted to do a
Speaker 1: podcast called the Cancel Club where all of these people
Speaker 1: who have had this reus cancelation of whatever it is
Speaker 1: interesting come on and have a conversation.
Speaker 2: I love that idea. That's great.
Speaker 1: I love that idea to when my company's in trouble,
Speaker 1: we'll see anyway exactly. Yeah. I think it would be
Speaker 1: fun because I the thing that outrages me the most,
Speaker 1: and I can't even say outrage it just find it
Speaker 1: bizarre is that people will go back into the history
Speaker 1: of someone's Twitter from when they were sixteen years old
Speaker 1: and find a tweet that they feel as offensive now
Speaker 1: and string that person up fifteen years later about something
Speaker 1: they said when they were sixteen. I think if you
Speaker 1: go back into anyone's history, whether they tweeted it or
Speaker 1: just lived it, you're gonna find a lot of crap
Speaker 1: like that. And people are just holding other people to
Speaker 1: the standard that they're not even meeting, and people are
Speaker 1: suffering because of it. It's insane.
Speaker 4: Absolutely me neither.
Speaker 1: So Cancel Club. I have your approval. Yeah, we're gonna
Speaker 1: do it. Okay, great, what do you have coming up?
Speaker 1: In the future obviously, Neutral skincare.
Speaker 4: I mean, look, I got a couple of movies coming out.
Speaker 4: I got a horror movie called Possession at Gladstone Manor
Speaker 4: coming out later this year year. Yeah, an action comedy
Speaker 4: called Boris Is Dead, which I think should be pretty fun. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I'm just I'm just, you know, on the press
Speaker 4: tour here for Neutral Skin sort of making everybody aware
Speaker 4: of my product line that I'm incredibly proud of.
Speaker 1: That's awesome and if you're using it as working.
Speaker 2: Very well to say, I like to say the proofs
Speaker 2: in the pudding.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you are the pudding. When it comes to these
Speaker 1: press tours, I'm always very interested because I know you
Speaker 1: guys go back to back to back. What to you
Speaker 1: makes an actual good interview that you feel good about
Speaker 1: when you leave.
Speaker 4: I try to stay in the moment when I do
Speaker 4: these interviews and not really let my mind wander, and
Speaker 4: really connect with the person who's interviewing me, and try
Speaker 4: to be fun and try to be somewhat charming if
Speaker 4: I can.
Speaker 1: Before the interview started, I asked if there was something
Speaker 1: specific that you wanted to talk about, and you said
Speaker 1: surprise me, which almost never happens anymore because when people
Speaker 1: come in, they will send their manager or whomever with
Speaker 1: a sheet of what not to talk about, and usually
Speaker 1: the things not to talk about or something I was
Speaker 1: never going to bring up anyway, It just to me
Speaker 1: makes the interview start off on a weird note.
Speaker 2: I think that's what makes interviews go wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I'm walking on egg Yeah exactly.
Speaker 4: And if and if you're you come into an interview
Speaker 4: in your tense and you have anxiety and you're worried
Speaker 4: about if something's going to be brought up, I mean,
Speaker 4: chances are that thing is going to be brought up,
Speaker 4: you know, so you might as well just embrace it.
Speaker 4: But it definitely starts the interview off on the wrong foot.
Speaker 1: Can you think of an interview in the past that
Speaker 1: you were like, that was some shit? I wish I
Speaker 1: would have done it differently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, can we find it some crazy interviews?
Speaker 4: Or I've done some phone interviews for some magazines, one
Speaker 4: in particular, I'm not going to name the magazine or
Speaker 4: the interviewer, but he asked me if I is it
Speaker 4: true that I fronted a band called the butt Plugs?
Speaker 1: Is it true?
Speaker 4: And and I paused, and then I go, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: need to call you back, and I hung up the phone.
Speaker 4: I called my publicist and I go, what is going
Speaker 4: on with this guy? And he goes, this is sort
Speaker 4: of his m o. He just kind of asks off
Speaker 4: the wall disarming questions to make people feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 4: And while you know, like mission accomplished, I definitely I
Speaker 4: was like, where is this guy coming from? What is
Speaker 4: he talking about? Ended up calling the journalists back and
Speaker 4: finishing the interview, and the and the interview ended up
Speaker 4: coming out fine.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 4: It was a pretty big magazine, basically the biggest magazine
Speaker 4: you know you could really be in. So that's why
Speaker 4: it really threw me.
Speaker 1: You know, was that moment addressed in the interview? Did
Speaker 1: he say? And then I asked him about it, if
Speaker 1: he front of the butt plugs?
Speaker 2: No, he didn't. He didn't include He didn't include it.
Speaker 2: He didn't include it.
Speaker 4: And funny enough, his like personal assistant still emails me
Speaker 4: to this day inviting him, inviting me to like all
Speaker 4: his events. You know, he's like a New York based,
Speaker 4: uh journalist, and you know, I'm doing air quotes right now,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: So whatever.
Speaker 4: You know, you have those moments, you know, especially in
Speaker 4: a twenty six year career.
Speaker 1: Congratulations, that's also kind of right. Yeah, where are you based?
Speaker 4: I'm based in Los Angeles, LA, but I also have
Speaker 4: a place here in the Lower East Side.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah cool. Because you said Connecticut is where
Speaker 1: your family is from. How is it going back home
Speaker 1: or people like, oh my god, he's here, or they
Speaker 1: let you live because you grew up there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Honestly, after twenty six years, I don't even think
Speaker 4: about that anymore. I mean, it's like it's an interesting
Speaker 4: question that maybe your listeners might be intrigued to hear
Speaker 4: my answer to. But my brain doesn't even work like
Speaker 4: that anymore. I just I move like a regular person.
Speaker 4: Well one, I am a regular person, but I don't
Speaker 4: think about my own celebrity, you know, or my own
Speaker 4: relevance or I mean, I'm usually oblivious when somebody recognizes
Speaker 4: me or is looking at me. You know, if I'm
Speaker 4: hanging with a friend or I'm hanging with my girlfriend,
Speaker 4: I'm hanging with my and they're like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: that person was losing their mind over you, or these
Speaker 4: girls were giggling about you.
Speaker 2: I mean, I usually didn't even notice it.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if this happens with people from
Speaker 1: your hometown, but you have had a career for a
Speaker 1: long time that people come out of the woodwork now
Speaker 1: to talk about things that have happened with you, Like
Speaker 1: I know on a was it a podcast recently? I
Speaker 1: don't remember the girl's name. Hold on, is it Shanna Sena? Sheena? She? Yeah,
Speaker 1: coming out of the woodwork twenty years after something.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's definitely been coming up today, okay, And.
Speaker 2: I just became aware of it. You don't even know
Speaker 2: what yesterday.
Speaker 4: I became aware of it yesterday, wow, okay, or maybe
Speaker 4: a couple of days ago when I did Tory Spelling's podcast.
Speaker 4: You know, Sheena is a great girl. I'm really happy
Speaker 4: for her and for her success. I'm I'm glad that
Speaker 4: she enjoyed the time that we spent together, like eighteen
Speaker 4: years ago. I'd like to think, you know, I have
Speaker 4: more relevant things to talk about, but you know, I'm
Speaker 4: no bad blood, you know whatsoever. And I'm happy she
Speaker 4: said something nice about me.
Speaker 1: Oh that's good, okay, positive spin. I like that.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: We love that here, all right. So one more time.
Speaker 1: If people want to find your product, yeah, neutral.
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Speaker 1: That is a big deal. It is a big congratulations
Speaker 1: on everything.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I'm really proud of it. Very Okay, well thanks for
Speaker 1: joining me.
Speaker 2: Thanks, I appreciate that. Yeah, you got it.
Speaker 1: Okay, that went well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if.
Speaker 1: It actually did. We recorded this before we did the
Speaker 1: Jesse Metcalf interview. How about that?
Speaker 2: WHOA the magic podcasting?
Speaker 1: That's nice. I say all the time. I tell people
Speaker 1: all the time when we record something and when we're
Speaker 1: recording it, because it saves me a lot of editing
Speaker 1: to try and make something sound like it happened on
Speaker 1: the actual day. We recorded the intro and outro first,
Speaker 1: so I guess I should say, wow, I hope that
Speaker 1: went well. Jesse Metcalf was a real cool guy.
Speaker 2: I hope I get his skincare line for free.
Speaker 1: Ooh, what did you ask?
Speaker 2: I am wait? No, are you gonna ask to yeah. Absolutely, okay, good.
Speaker 1: First, is it for men specifically? Yes, By the time
Speaker 1: you're hearing us talk about this, he probably already.
Speaker 2: Addressed in the podcast, so true. Cool.
Speaker 1: So if he did in fact say it was for men,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get it for you. Andrew, thanks, You're welcome
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and more stuff coming.
Speaker 1: More stuff coming.
Speaker 2: We are growing baby hell yeah.
Speaker 1: Expect to be sick of us in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: maybe twenty twenty six. Either or either or okay, say
Speaker 1: bye bye.