1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: Time now for Fantasy Football Weekly from iHeartRadio, your weekly 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: source for the nation's best fantasy speculation and advice. What's 3 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: up and welcome back once again another offseason edition of 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: Fantasy Football Weekly with your host and faithful narrator, John 5 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: mcgaza and my friend and yours, mister Jake Trowbridge. Jake, 6 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:29,159 Speaker 1: we're getting closer, The normies have entered the chat and 7 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: ADP's moving, which is gonna bring us to today's conversation 8 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: about running backs. But before we start, how are you 9 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: doing since I last spoke to you, my friend? 10 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: Well, John, when you say normies, I'm assuming you mean 11 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 2: the non psychopaths who treat this as a standard season 12 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: long thing rather than a year long thing. But I'm 13 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: doing fantastic Because, you know, John, the air quality not 14 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 2: so great by me. The air quality is so bad 15 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 2: you think it was being coached by Hugh Jackson. So 16 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 2: I've been inside more often this week, but that's just 17 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: giving me more time to get prepped for my Scott 18 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 2: Fishball Live draft that's coming up this weekend. So very 19 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: excited to get my butt kicked for charity. 20 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: Yeah sorry, honey, Sorry, guys, can't go outside. Got to 21 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: have to draft these fantasy football teams. Well, what I 22 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: was mentioning is right, as we get closer, more and 23 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: more of the public begins to jump in, ADP start 24 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 1: to move as more of a public opinion is formed. 25 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: One of the things that I've noticed which I want 26 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: to get to you first, Also with the meta about 27 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: running backs, right, we're kind of shifting in back into 28 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: i should say, a very RB heavy early approach that 29 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: used to be a big thing. Then we got away 30 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: from it as PPR became more prevalent, and now it's 31 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: all the rage again to have at least one running back, 32 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: let's say, in the first two or three rounds. So 33 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: before we kick off, would you at least subscribe to that. 34 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: Maybe you don't need too, but do you want to 35 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: have at least one of the dominant kind of running 36 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: backs before we're out of the third round. 37 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: With some of the drafts and some of the mock 38 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 2: drafts that I've been doing this offseason with this ADP, 39 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 2: it's felt bad to get to round five without a 40 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: running back. It didn't seem that wave for me a 41 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 2: couple of years ago, felt like I can make this 42 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 2: zero RB thing work. 43 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 3: I can really wait it out. It really tests. 44 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 2: Your patience this year, John, So the second round is 45 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,839 Speaker 2: especially going to be interesting, I will say, but if 46 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: I don't get a running back by round three, I'm terrified. 47 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna get into this great debate here of 48 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: the second round running backs, as they've all shifted up. 49 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: The entire first half of the second round is RB RB, 50 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: RB all the way up and down. We're gonna speak 51 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: about them. To your point, my fear is that next 52 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,399 Speaker 1: wave of running backs that maybe we might be comfortable 53 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: with as our RB one entering redraft. Looking at you, 54 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: Rashad White, that'd be fine. I think he's a starter. 55 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: Looking at you, Jalen Warren, I think that's okay. I 56 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: think he's a starter. But those needs are really few 57 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: and far between. Even Tony Pollard, let's get him into 58 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: the conversation. But there's only so many of those guys. 59 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: And I feel like this momentum right the meta of 60 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: fantasy football kind of turns like a cruise ship. I'm 61 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 1: writing about this for Fantasy Life. I'm gonna do a 62 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: visualization charting all the stuff we're gonna talk about. I'm 63 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: afraid those next tier guys are gonna move up even more, 64 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: they might be less of a value, which will then 65 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: certainly push us into these second round running backs. Now 66 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: let's end the suspense the players I'm mentioned in And 67 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: this is why I've been kind of mad at the normies, Jake, 68 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: because I was one of the guys doing like a 69 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: gent d and ken Walker at the turn. Now genty's 70 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: up into the first round. You can't bank on him 71 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: late anymore. He's no longer a second round pick. You know, 72 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: yesterday's price is not today's price. So those running backs 73 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: are Devin A. Chain, Saquon Barkley, Omari and Hampton, Chase Brown, 74 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: Kenth Walker, and Derek Henry. To try and get into 75 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: all of them what you think when maybe we'll try 76 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: and rank them and put a little light on the subject, 77 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: get as much done as we can today. I've been 78 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: spending the better part of this week thinking about this debate, 79 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: because again, as my guys moving out of reach, I've 80 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: got to get to it. I don't know, I do 81 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: you have an initial take? Are there any guys that 82 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: really stick out to you? Maybe before we go player 83 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: by player even. 84 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 2: I mean, I think with this round, what you're gonna 85 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 2: have to judge for yourself is how much upside you're 86 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 2: desperate to get out of your first or second running 87 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: back and how much you just want to play at 88 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 2: sech safe Because there's a couple of names in here 89 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 2: that seem very very dangerous to me, but the payoff 90 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 2: of potential top three finishes is still there. So it's 91 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: it's a big old open window with those guys, and 92 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: I don't know where they're gonna fall within it. Some 93 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 2: of these it's just like, oh, if I grab and 94 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 2: we'll talk about Chase Brown. If I grab Chase Brown, like, 95 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 2: I just feel fine, you know, I don't feel like 96 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 2: a certain tingle of excitement, but I feel very comfortable 97 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 2: with that. 98 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 3: But that's not the case for every name on this list. 99 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get to Brown in his second not to 100 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: bury the lead. It kind of dawned on me the 101 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: other day, maybe the Bengals are going to be really good, 102 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: right We've been chasing them for years. Maybe it's the 103 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: Borrow injury, Maybe it's just a little bit of fantasy fatigue. 104 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: These things happen, But Ratt Higgins used to be a 105 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: solid second round pick. He's kind of falling down. Jamar 106 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: Chase of course, is where he is, but you know, 107 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: Brown with the volume and attach to that offense could 108 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: be going up higher. I want to talk about Devin 109 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: Hchian first because you mentioned upside, and I think he's 110 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: the player with the most upside. Man. It's gonna come 111 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:43,239 Speaker 1: down to what we think about the environmental shifts, moving 112 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: away from McDaniel, who's been really good at creating space, 113 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: moving towards Malik Willis, who I think there are fair 114 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: concerns that he might not throw to the running back. 115 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: We know that about running quarterbacks. They tend not to, 116 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: but it doesn't mean that they can't. And I think 117 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: all of these things are very much contextually driven. Devin 118 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: Chan has gotta be the best pass catcher on the team, 119 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 1: buy an order of magnitude. Do we really think they're 120 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: gonna feace him out? So let's talk about the Dolphins 121 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: and eight Chan real quick. Where do you slot him 122 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: right now? Drafters have him leading the pack, but it's 123 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: not by much and you have to pick one. No 124 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,799 Speaker 1: one is falling back to that next selection. I'm really 125 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: on the fence. I was really high in him at 126 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,119 Speaker 1: first going near the turn. Now I'm kind of getting 127 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: away from it. I'm really nervous because I think the 128 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: Vegas totals for the Dolphins are kind of low, and 129 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: if we're looking for touchdowns, that's where you get him 130 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: from the running back. What do you think about Devon? Here? 131 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 2: With Devin Hchan, you're basically jumping out of an airplane 132 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 2: and really hoping that Bobby Slowak, the offensive coordinator, packed 133 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 2: that parachute right. And I don't know that I can 134 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 2: say that with the utmost confidence, which stinks to say, 135 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: because Devin Hchan last year he's the RB five in 136 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 2: points per game, he led the league in yards after contact, 137 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 2: he was great with his broken tag, you know, back 138 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 2: to back seasons with at least eighty five targets to 139 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 2: your point about his pass catching prowess, and he's playing 140 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 2: on an offense where, you know, a casual NFL fan 141 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 2: probably could not name a single skill player outside of 142 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 2: a hand. So it looks set up well, But how 143 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 2: bad is the offense going to be overall in Miami? 144 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: Because low scoring offenses they can be a death knel 145 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 2: for running backs in fantasy. I was just looking last 146 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 2: year John at these guys who had bottom offenses in 147 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 2: the league, The Raiders, had the worst scoring offense in 148 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 2: the league, Ashton genty. He finishes his RB sixteen in 149 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 2: points per game. I mean, that's doable, that's okay, but 150 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 2: it's it's not elite status. 151 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 3: The Browns were second worst. Quinn Shawn Judkins was RB twenty. 152 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: Five, Titans third worst, our guy Tony Pollard RB thirty, 153 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 2: the Jets are fourth worst, and Brease Hall RB. 154 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 3: Twenty in points per game. 155 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 2: You can argue that Devin h is better or at 156 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 2: least more multifaceted than those other running backs, but I 157 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 2: just don't know that I can bank on him paying 158 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 2: off this early in the second round. John, So I 159 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 2: would prefer to drop him back a little bit. 160 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm with you. Because of that scoring total. 161 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: He checked every box, volume, efficiency, pass catching, It's really 162 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: everything you want. But if Willis is gonna tuck it 163 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: the few times that they're near the goal line, that 164 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: could really, you know, stunt him. But the flip side 165 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,839 Speaker 1: is if he's involving garbage time catches, that could get 166 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: you the floor. So I think he definitely belongs in 167 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: the second round, But I don't know if I want 168 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: to take that kind of gamble, like the risk reward. 169 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if I want that much of a floor, 170 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: But also he probably gets a bad reputation as being 171 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: like small or scatty. You mentioned the broken tackle stuff 172 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: is really good. He's actually really good between the tackles, 173 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: and but that also comes down to the McDaniel thing. 174 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: How much is that run game gonna hurt losing him 175 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: and McDaniel always known that, Like I mentioned before, for 176 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: creating space man, I'm afraid already. So we're not gonna 177 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:10,719 Speaker 1: get to the answer that I wanted to. I told 178 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: y'all fair you were gonna give me the answers that 179 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: I needed. I'm starting to get worried. I don't know 180 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: if there is an answer, and it's just gonna come 181 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: down to how we balance all of that risk. So 182 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: I think eight Chan has got a really high upside. 183 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: I don't think the floor is zero, but it could 184 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 1: be really frustrating. You mentioned lack of pass catchers. Are 185 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: we gonna be drafted jail in Tobert by the time 186 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: offseason stuff is done, because right now he's listed as 187 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: the wide receiver too. Malik Washington. Maybe we've seen that 188 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: movie before. It's a little nerve racking. Right next up. 189 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: We'll go the other way, which is age plus volume. 190 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: It's Saquon Barkley. He's had a million touches. I just 191 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 1: saw he's averaging over three hundred and thirty three touches 192 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: across a four year span. Talk to us about tread 193 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: on the tires. He's also coming off and inefficient season. 194 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: Tank Bigsby, his understudy, was really efficient. I don't think 195 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: he's gonna displace Barkley. What do you think about Saquon? 196 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: How long are they gonna keep going back to him 197 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: if he, you know, disappoints again. 198 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 2: I didn't realize how high his average season touch count was. 199 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 2: That's that's a lot, and that does get concerning that 200 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty plus touch range for a running 201 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: back can be very dicey the following season. We kind 202 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 2: of saw the impact of that last year. He had 203 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 2: so many touches in twenty twenty four, and then last year, 204 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 2: like you said, his efficiency goes down. The offense just 205 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 2: sort of phased him out a little bit. And I 206 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 2: guess the upside with Saquon this year is that we 207 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: don't know what the new Eagles offense is going to 208 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 2: look like without aj Brown. 209 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 3: It could be more of a spreadout offense. 210 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 2: We could see DeVante Smith and McKay lennon and Dallas Goddard, 211 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 2: you know, each getting about one hundred plus targets. 212 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 3: I don't know that would shock me. 213 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 2: Or they could go back and run everything through their 214 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 2: ground game again like they did in twenty twenty four. 215 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: That's when Saquon got you know, three hundred and seventy 216 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 2: something touches and led the league in yards per game. 217 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 2: So I hate to keep saying this job, but the 218 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 2: risk reward thing is still very much there with Saquon. 219 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 2: I don't know that I have a definitive answer, but 220 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 2: here's here's how I'll caveat this. I'll give you something 221 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 2: because you're so desperate for it. 222 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: Desperate. The word desperation is a stinky colone, my friend. 223 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 3: Yes, that is true. 224 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 2: Now Saquon does not catch as many passes as he 225 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 2: did early in his career, but I think I would 226 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 2: still rather have Saquon Barkley where he's going in the 227 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: second than CMC in the first. It's a similar narrative 228 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 2: I think in terms of these high touch count older 229 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: running backs. There's no fear with Christian McCaffrey right now. 230 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 2: It doesn't seem to be anyways in the first because 231 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: you know, hey, he should still catch so many passes. 232 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 2: I still think the risk of an injury to CEMC 233 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 2: is greater than you getting duds from Saquon Barkley. So 234 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 2: I would rather at least wait and take him. 235 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Barkley and redraft is a it's a 236 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: safe play, but I don't know if I want a 237 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: safe play in the second round. I'm kind of looking 238 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: for the ceiling outcome, and you know, getting klose to thirty, 239 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: I think he's like twenty nine and a half. He's 240 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: gonna finish the season as twenty nine, but he's getting there. 241 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: I had a couple of red flags, and I think 242 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: that's all I'm trying to dress these early decisions, because 243 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: it's not any of these guys are bad. They're all 244 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: great football players. We're talking about guys in the top 245 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 1: twenty five overall in fantasy football. They're all fantastic. My 246 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: worries for Barkley. He had the worst yards you have 247 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: to contact per attempt in the top twenty five drafted 248 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: running backs was under two and three quarters. He also 249 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: had one of the worst negative attempt rates. Now he 250 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: was really only behind genty in that number when we're 251 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: talking about the top backs. But Vegas gats Miller adds 252 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: Linderbomp and the new offensive schematic. We're all expecting that 253 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: to improve. Barkley's going back to kind of the same environment. 254 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: He had a zero or negative attempt rate over twenty 255 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: four percent. So nearly one of four carries from Barkley 256 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: was either zero or nil, and Bigsby was fantastic. I 257 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: hate to keep beating that drum. I have gone the 258 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: Bigsby route almost ten times out of ten over Barkley. 259 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: Another player here. I feel how you dressed up the 260 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: Chan thing. I'm just worried about some downside, maybe some 261 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: risk that people aren't addressing. And then all the injury stuff. 262 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: Man really rough here. I'm kind of o for two. 263 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: Next up Omari and Hampton. The big case has got 264 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: to be brought Mike McDaniel, the creator of space. They 265 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: return Slater, they return Old and I think they drafted alignment. Also, 266 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: everyone is expecting a major leap forward for the Chargers. 267 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: Where are you on, Hampton? 268 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 2: Jake Hampton is the wild card out of this, Out 269 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 2: of all these players, and again that's not a great 270 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 2: sign because we've already talked about h Han and Barkley 271 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 2: kind of being hit and miss too and risky. But 272 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 2: with Amari and Hampton, like I didn't see a ton 273 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 2: from him last year in his rookie season. That made 274 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 2: me think, you know, this kid's going to be a star, 275 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 2: as I puff on my oversized cigar, But I do 276 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 2: think it's hard a when you're rookie coming into that system, 277 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 2: but also having your offensive line decimated. That has to 278 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 2: be terrible. So you mentioned the O line as kind 279 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 2: of a priority in terms of getting them healthy, getting 280 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 2: them strong, or else everything's going to fall apart if 281 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 2: Joe Alton everybody else is up there and healthy for 282 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 2: most of the season, Hampton has a very good shot 283 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 2: at at least paying off at this ADP. I don't 284 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 2: know that I see a ton more than that, though. 285 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 2: I don't know that we're looking next year and going, oh, 286 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 2: he's a lock for the first round because of how 287 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 2: he performed this year. And I think it might be 288 00:14:56,120 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 2: from my perspective overrating that edition. To Mike McDaniel, I 289 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: get it. We've seen Devin h Chan and we've seen 290 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 2: Raheem Mostert in his systems in Miami thrive. But if 291 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 2: you're just looking at how he operates his teams, like 292 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 2: the Dolphins only finished in the top half of the 293 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 2: league in rushing attempts once during his four years, his 294 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 2: offense has cracked the top twelve in rushing yards once. 295 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 2: Which you're hoping is that everything solidifies around one guy, 296 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 2: that Hampton just gets so much of this and he's 297 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 2: so efficient that he pays off like a Chan and Moster. 298 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 2: But he's not the same kind of player. I mean, 299 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 2: he's You're not gonna see probably as many breakaway runs 300 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 2: from Omari and Hampton probably not gonna evade tackles so 301 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 2: much as run through guys. He has upside, Don't get 302 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,479 Speaker 2: me wrong, But I'm just worried about how we're interpreting 303 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 2: the Mike McDaniel love at all. Maybe Keaton, Mitchell and 304 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 2: Kamani Vidal are more thorns in our side than we 305 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 2: want them to be. So Omari and Hampton is somebody again, 306 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 2: I'm okay drafting him. I just don't have the highest 307 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 2: of expectations. 308 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: I've been struggling also to get to Hampton. I was 309 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: so locked in on this genty walker thing, and I 310 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: just kept hoping. I guess we'd be frozen in time. 311 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: Those ADPs, those are the guys I wanted. Those are 312 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: the guys that I really really want. They check all 313 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: the boxes and I'm wheels up on them, and now 314 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: that I can't get them, I really find myself behind 315 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: the April scrambling. You mentioned the competition in LA that's 316 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: been my major hang up. Vidal who came in and performed, 317 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: I mean very well as a volume back. He had 318 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: twenty three or more carries in like three or five 319 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: weeks in that center spot. When Hampton was out, Hampton returns, 320 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: they split work. And then you mentioned Keaton Mitchell, who 321 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: is easily one of the big industry helium picks right 322 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: one of the kind of big running back sleepers. Right 323 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: now he's flying up boards. And Vidal has been forgotten 324 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: man who I think could earn work and probably did 325 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 1: earn some work. And now if we're at three running backs, 326 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: all you mentioned really the skill set. I think that's 327 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: the worry is we're not talking about the three down 328 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: bruiser that does everything. I think we're gonna see Hampton 329 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 1: seeding some work. And now it's down to that E 330 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: word efficiency. Hard to bank on when you're getting limited touches. 331 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: I'm afraid people are gonna be drafting Hampton in the 332 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: second round and seeing twelve to fifteen touches, which is 333 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: not what you want from a second round back. We're 334 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: looking for sixteen or more. Eighteen or more. It might 335 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: be there sometimes, but if all three of those guys 336 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: are active, we may see all of them getting involved. Jake, 337 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: what is going on? This is spinning out of control. 338 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: We're halfway through the six backs so far. Again, let 339 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: me shuffle some papers, maybe pull a clump of hair out. 340 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: Let's get to the back three in just a second. 341 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: All right, mister Jake, we're back with the second half. 342 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: This or be great debate that again. I've been really 343 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: struggling and sometimes there isn't a clear answer as I 344 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: digest this really in real time. Right, I'm not burying 345 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: that lead. I don't know the answer. I don't really 346 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 1: like any of these players. Now. I'm starting to feel 347 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 1: like I am definitely taking a running back in the 348 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: first round. I think this is why James Cook and 349 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: Jeny have been forced into the first round. I'm the 350 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: forcing Ken Walker into the back of the first round. 351 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: I know he's in this group, and I'm really buying 352 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: into environmental stuff. You know what, I'm skipping a little bit. 353 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: But since I mentioned him, let's go with Walker next. 354 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: If that's okay. He didn't have the volume, he didn't 355 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,479 Speaker 1: have the efficiency, he didn't really have the pass catching. 356 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 1: What am I so into ken Walker for? Well, he's 357 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: moving to the Chiefs. We've seen the value of running 358 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 1: backs in the Andy Reid system, plus Mahomes returning from 359 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,719 Speaker 1: the tour in ECL feel safe to say he's not 360 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: gonna be looking to run. We've covered this before. Mahomes 361 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 1: probably will run in a diagonal at the first down Walker, 362 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: which is exactly what we want him to do. I 363 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: don't think we're gonna be seeing him doing design runs. 364 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be ken Walker. They tried the 365 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 1: running backs are replaceable thing in the Kareem Hunt experiment 366 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 1: just didn't work. Put ken Walker where we had Kareem Hunt. 367 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: And I'm seeing the RB one that I'm looking for 368 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: at that first round turn. But maybe I'm overpaying a bit. 369 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: Talk to us about Kate dub three, Mister. 370 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 2: Jake John, I know we scared some people, probably with 371 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 2: those first three running backs and all the risk. I 372 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 2: actually think this back half is where it settles down. 373 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 2: These are the guys that I would rather have out 374 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 2: of this group, and Kenneth Walker is number one for 375 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 2: me out of this second round of running backs. 376 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 3: You mentioned it. 377 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 2: The Chiefs have not had a thousand yard rusher while 378 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes has been their starting quarterback. They've been trying 379 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 2: to piece together a usable backfield with duct tape and 380 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 2: recycled limbs since about twenty seventeen, since the Great Dip 381 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 2: of Kareem Hunt. 382 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 3: So what do they do. 383 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 2: They go out and sign the Super Bowl MVP to 384 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 2: a forty three million dollar contract. That signals to me 385 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 2: the Chiefs saying, Hey, we acknowledge our running game stinks. 386 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 2: We don't want it to stink anymore. So here's our solution. 387 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 2: And I think the underrated thing along with the Kenneth 388 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 2: Walker signing is them bringing back Eric b Enemy as 389 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 2: their offensive coordinator. 390 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 3: I'll shout it from the mountaintops. 391 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 2: This guy can make this offense a top five scoring 392 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 2: offense in the league again. Now, it's gonna require a 393 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 2: couple of things to work out, right, Patrick Mahomes is 394 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 2: gonna have to look respectable coming off that injury. He 395 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 2: doesn't have to be his prime self right away, but 396 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 2: he has to get there eventually. Travis Kelce needs to 397 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 2: stand upright, which is a tough task for a guy 398 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 2: of his age going out there. I couldn't do it, 399 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 2: and then Rashid Rice has to stay on the field. 400 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 2: Those are all legitimate question marks. But what makes me 401 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 2: feel good about Walker no matter what John is that 402 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 2: there's two different paths to me seeing him finish sort 403 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 2: of as a top tier running back, And the first 404 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 2: path is just pure volume, because if any of those 405 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 2: things do go wrong, if Mahomes looks more banged up 406 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 2: than we want him to be, if Kelsey does feel 407 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 2: his age, if Rice doesn't stay on the field, Walker 408 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 2: should be a near lock for three hundred plus touches. 409 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 2: Like the volume should just be there no matter what. 410 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 2: But then there's the offensive dominant side of it, where 411 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 2: if everything gels right and Eric Benemy can get this 412 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 2: offense back to its sort of heyday, you know, they 413 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 2: never finished worse than sixth in total points or total 414 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 2: yards under Eric Beenemy, and he never had a running 415 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 2: back as good as Kenneth Walker. So I am very 416 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 2: bullish on Kenneth Walker. I would absolutely take him at 417 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 2: the start of the second round. 418 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. I'm with you one hundred percent. You 419 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: really covered all the great stuff. Also, we've seen Reid 420 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: and the enemy lean into I guess it's weird. It's 421 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: leaning into the anti too high shelf stuff. Meaning the 422 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: Chiefs have been one of the teams that welcome these 423 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: long drives, which are difficult to pull off, but you 424 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: have Patrick Mahomes, he can help you do it. They're 425 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: one of the few teams that average, you know, two 426 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: first downs a drives. Only you know a handful of teams. 427 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: They were over three minutes per drive time, possession and 428 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: mats to score more than forty two percent of those drives. 429 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: So they can do it with short stuff. And I 430 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: think Walker is that kind of guy. I think Walker 431 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: really compliments that, right, the Kelsey quick out, the Rashie 432 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: Rice quick slant, and then maybe you're stretching to feel 433 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 1: with worthy Walker challenging the defense. And I think the 434 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: one thing I wanted to mention is the pants catching chops, 435 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: which people really questioned, and this is something we're here 436 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: in stendarium price also this year, if a player was 437 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: never put in a position to do something, we shouldn't 438 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: say that they cannot do it because they have not 439 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: done it. Those are two different things, and Kenth Walker's 440 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: receiving stuff was actually pretty good all things considerative. He 441 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: was over nine yards perception and at ninety percent target 442 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: per route rate. Those are pretty solid actually not like 443 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: a stonehands kind of receiving back. And I think, I 444 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: mean he wants the rock. He's a big game player, 445 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: super Bowl MVP. You know you're going to KC to 446 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: try and repeat, and I wouldn't be surprised if they're 447 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: fully on board with He is the engine of that offense. 448 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 1: So I'm with you with ken Walker. The third, I 449 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: think if there's kind of a diamond in the rough, 450 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: he's it, and if not, it's the other one. We 451 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 1: mentioned Chase Brown, who's been falling, and I had to 452 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: take a l for love on this one. I was 453 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: part of that kind of turning my nose up to 454 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: Chase Brown and no Jake. I don't know why. It 455 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: might have been the fantasy fatigue. Maybe I felt like 456 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: he couldn't handle the workload, but it just takes a 457 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: single look at the game log to see that he 458 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: did the workload on a prolific offense. I'm immediately coming 459 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: around with Chase Brown and I agree with you said 460 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: about the back end of these guys. I'm seeing eighteen 461 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: for nine, you know, with six grabs at Pittsburgh, nineteen 462 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 1: four oh seven, with a couple grabs at New England 463 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: that was back to back. Then fifteen carries with seven 464 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: grabs at Baltimore. When the chips are down. Chase Brown 465 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: is the man in that offense. It didn't really bringing 466 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 1: anyone to compete. I gotta get back in Brown, and 467 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: I'm with you. I'm willing to shift Walker and Brown, 468 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: who are at the end of this by ADP, towards 469 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: the front of this group to get the guys that 470 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: they want because we know they're not going to fall 471 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 1: to us in the third. Do you have anything else 472 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: on Chase Brown. 473 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 2: I mean, I just want to come out in solidarity. 474 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 2: I've been trying to poke holes in Chase Brown since 475 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 2: the end of twenty twenty three when he took over 476 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 2: that backfield. It's been a long time coming of me 477 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 2: just not really getting it and expecting his workload to 478 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 2: get trimmed back some other random running back to come 479 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:57,959 Speaker 2: in and kind of leap frog him, and it's just 480 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 2: it's not happening. And I think that's because Chase Brown 481 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 2: isn't flashy John, Like, it's not somebody that you go, 482 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 2: oh wow, look at this one thing that he does 483 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 2: incredibly well. He's just a balanced running back with a 484 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 2: locked in workhorse roll who gets plenty of targets. I mean, 485 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 2: fourteen hundred scrimmage yards last year on the back of 486 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 2: eighty eight targets eleven total touchdowns. I even tried to 487 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 2: look at the splits with and without a healthy Joe 488 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 2: Burrow last year just to see if I could unlock 489 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 2: something and give myself more ammunition to not draft Chase Brown, 490 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 2: and I got nothing. I mean, this is a mystery 491 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 2: box that isn't really a mystery So shame on us, 492 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 2: I guess John for not being invested earlier. 493 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: You know, listen, I talk about this on my Baseball 494 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: Life shoot all the time. Changing your mind in the 495 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: face of compelling data. He's not flip flopping. It's just 496 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 1: cool critical thinking, and it's okay to change your mind, right. 497 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: We don't want to be wavering, but you should be 498 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: able to be convinced, and it's still early enough draft 499 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: season to capitulate. I'm in full capitulation mode. I really 500 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 1: have to admit, as a volume hand drafter, I was 501 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: running like a zero percent Chase Brown rate. In fact, 502 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: I found myself off of the Bengals almost altogether, maybe 503 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: outside of Chase. If I had the three pick and 504 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 1: again Higgins coming at a discount, Nah Brown middle of 505 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: the second Sometimes I'm going nah, And that offense if 506 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: Burrow is healthy, is like a thirty point game offense. 507 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: So I'm with you one hundred percent. It made me 508 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: feel a little bit better, kind of confirming some of 509 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: these new imaging what's in what's the opposite of a 510 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: new prior Jake? So I think we have our two 511 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: guys locked. There's one more, and I know I gotta 512 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,959 Speaker 1: catching heat for this. I have not been the person 513 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: talking about Derrick Henry and all the miles, because yes, 514 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 1: he's a freak. He was the most efficient back in 515 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: the league. But the cop out for me is that 516 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: I can't have a second round running back that could 517 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: be being scripted out. And that's the problem with Henry. 518 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: He's not on the field. If they're down now, Baltimore's 519 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 1: probably gonna be in a lot of strong game scripts 520 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: and to start the season, I'm probably gonna be sorry 521 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: to be off of Derek Henry. But as good as 522 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: he is, with the age and the carries and the 523 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 1: lack of pass catching ability, Henry's become very easy for 524 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: me to fade. Though. I did want to mention one thing, 525 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: because you hear people mention running quarterbacks eating up gold 526 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: to gold stuff. It is all Henry all the time. 527 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: Lamar gets his running touchdowns from out far. He doesn't 528 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: really run it in close. He jiggles around and will 529 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: throw the ball and have Mark Andrews generally drop that ball. 530 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: But if they're running it, it's really Henry. So talk 531 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: to me about Henry. Do you think it's a little 532 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: misplaced for me? Again? I play a lot of PPR, 533 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: and that's what worries me. 534 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's easy to just go has the 535 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 2: fountain of youth dried up? 536 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: Yet? 537 00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 3: Finally? 538 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 2: Is he going to turn back into a pumpkin now? 539 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 2: And you can do that year over year, and it's 540 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 2: like the Tom Brady for running backs of it just 541 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 2: doesn't seem to happen. 542 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 3: So I've also put the age thing behind me, but I'm. 543 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 2: Glad you brought up the PPR, the catch passing aspect 544 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 2: of it, because you're not insulated from those risks like 545 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 2: if he has lost a step or he has slowed 546 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 2: down a little bit with age, you're not making up 547 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 2: for that with catches either. So not only can he 548 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 2: be pulled off the field, but it's just a general 549 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 2: worry about him. Like last year, he looked great, and 550 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 2: you mentioned the efficiency was great. Everything from a pure 551 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 2: rushing standpoint was classic Derrick Henry. Really he averaged nine 552 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 2: yards per carry. In Week fifteen against Cincinnati, he hit 553 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 2: one hundred yards easy, like the easiest I've seen him 554 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 2: do in his career. And yet, John, if you're playing 555 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 2: in PPR formats, you barely got double digit fantasy points 556 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 2: because he didn't score touchdown. He didn't catch a pass. 557 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 2: And that's what's scary about taking Derrick Henry in the 558 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 2: second round. The maybe light at the end of the 559 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 2: tunnel on this is that the Ravens brought over, yes, 560 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 2: a defensive head coach, but they also brought in Declan 561 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 2: Doyle as the OC from the Bears, and last year 562 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 2: with Chicago they had the fifth most rushing attempts and 563 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 2: third most rushing yards in the league. Granted, some of 564 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 2: that was very much due to their turnover heavy defense 565 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 2: that kept getting them the ball back, but Baltimore has 566 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 2: a good defense. Dereck Henry could still be out on 567 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 2: the field a ton, and he could make up for 568 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,719 Speaker 2: all this with touchdowns. So I still like Henry, I 569 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 2: think more than Hampton. If I'm being honest, I would 570 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 2: rather take him in the second than Hampton, just because 571 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 2: we know the bulk of the workload is still Henry's. Yeah, 572 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 2: Justice Hill might come in on occasion in really bad 573 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,719 Speaker 2: game scripts, but I'm okay with Henry. 574 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna agree with the last point there. For sure. 575 00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: There is an one thousand percent baked in worklo and 576 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: some of my fears may be a little bit misplaced 577 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: because in order for Baltimore to you know, being those scripts, 578 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: he might have done some work anyway. But man hoping, 579 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: I'm that kind of you know, repeating of scoring our 580 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: wonderful production crew. Shoup sixteen tds each of the last 581 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: two seasons. I was digging through the true media base 582 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: he had. It looks like almost more than double the 583 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: goal to go carries as anyone else, looks like Barkley 584 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: had fourteen. I got Henry at twenty six. I mean, 585 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,959 Speaker 1: but it's all his. I mean, there is no better option, 586 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: and they're pretty much telegraphing it, which I do like. Also, 587 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: if there's a penalty in the end zone, they could 588 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: write on the billboard we are running Derrick Henry up 589 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: the middle. Good luck stopping this, and no one is 590 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: able to do it, so it's gonna be there for him. 591 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: But I'm a little bit worried. I think I'm with 592 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: you on the Henry over Hampton. That may be a 593 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: little bit of a hot take. If you are Henry 594 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: over Hampton, you're probably not drafting Hampton, and you know 595 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: I'm not. I think I have to let Hampton burn 596 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: me again. I'm worried about the three headed back there. 597 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: As much as I'm becoming bullish about the charges offense, 598 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: I've been doing it more around Herbert, I think is 599 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: the shepherd of that whole thing where we know he's 600 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: got the big arm and he even runs a little bit. Man, Jake, 601 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: you actually did bring a little bit of clarity before 602 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: we bounce, because we're getting to that time do you 603 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: have anything any other bow you want to put on? 604 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: You want to rank them for us? Please go ahead. 605 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: I want you to wrap this up for us. 606 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 2: I mean, I think if you're just looking at second 607 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 2: round running backs and you want to rank these guys individually, 608 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 2: it starts with Kenneth Walker for me, then it's Chase Brown. 609 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 2: Then it will be very close between Saquon Barkley and 610 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 2: Devin h Chan, and then we're gonna look at Derek 611 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 2: Henry and Omari and Hampton. But I think the bigger 612 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 2: context as well is who else could you get in 613 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 2: the second round if you opt out. If let's say 614 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 2: I'm in the second round of Kenneth Walker's gone, Chase 615 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 2: Brown's gone, Dang, I'm not feeling as confident now. Maybe 616 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 2: I do just say I'm gonna go tight end. I'm 617 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 2: gonna take Brock Bauers, I'm gonna take Trey McBride and 618 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 2: not have to worry about that position. Just feel very comfortable, 619 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 2: you know, because the wide receivers that are in this 620 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 2: round are justin Jefferson, Drake London, Nico Collins, aj Brown. 621 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 3: You could make the case for any of those. 622 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 2: Guys over Dereck Henry and Omari and Hampton, and I 623 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 2: think I'm listening and probably agreeing. So just because I'm 624 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 2: ranking these running backs a certain way doesn't mean I'm 625 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 2: gonna be afraid to leap over any of them to 626 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 2: grab one of these other positions. 627 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you one hundred percent. I think I'm 628 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: drafting a Chan and I'm drafting Chase Brown, I'm drafting 629 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: Ken Walking. After that, I'm probably making the move like 630 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: you said to Collins, ajb or brock Bauers, right, I 631 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: think I could get the number one overall player at 632 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: the position. I don't want to settle in the second round. Man, Jake, 633 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: that was really awesome. Thanks for bearing with me while 634 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: I was dealing my vacation and everything. I really do 635 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: appreciate you, and I appreciate everyone out there for listening. 636 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: From John and Jake and Robbie, we appreciate you all. 637 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: Have a wonderful weekend.