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Speaker 1: and we are joined today as our guests. Another Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame baseball writer, Dan Shaughnessy is going to be

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Speaker 2: Right and my mentor in this business. And even though

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Speaker 2: Dan and I, he taught me everything I need to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so many great stories that we dive into

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Speaker 1: silly as it sounds, you know, people all the time say, hey,

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Speaker 1: one day I want to be the next Tim Kirkshon,

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Speaker 1: one day I want to do this, that and the other.

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Speaker 1: So hearing the stories of the beginning of your career,

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Speaker 1: back then you were just a lowly newspaper writer. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I started as low, oh as you could

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Speaker 2: Jeff I went to a local Roy Rogers and I

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Speaker 2: ordered and I'm not making this up, twenty roast beef sandwiches,

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Speaker 1: Was this not the place where they asked you are

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Speaker 2: Yes. We had a buddy who worked at Roy Rogers

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Speaker 1: Well, before we get to the takeaways, you know. Our

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Speaker 1: Changer hosted us. We had Todd Frazier on if you're

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Speaker 1: But Dad, they sent us something that is a bit

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Speaker 1: of a viral sensation, and I want to know if

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Speaker 2: Uh? No, explain to the old man here.

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Speaker 1: So Stanley cuffs. This is like all all the rage

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Speaker 1: Like Bob Kozy? A kuzzi is what you put over

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what kind of takeaways do you have right now?

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Speaker 1: And what's going on in Major League Baseball?

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Speaker 2: Well, the Little League World Series is still the takeaway,

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Speaker 2: Series and so great. Just another reminder, Jeff, what a

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow quarterback, right? And do you remember Raven Simone

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Speaker 2: for all. Salesmen you can also call that a tremendous,

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Speaker 2: Stretch jeff Ay siale call at?

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00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 3: Bat?

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00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 2: Yes or?

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00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: No?

438
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 2: Stretch? Terrible?

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00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 4: What?

440
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 1: NO i think sales? Call? YEAH i get what you're.

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00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 3: Saying.

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00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: Right, well you know remember What Michael scott always used to, SAY, Abc,

443
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: all well he's be. Closing that's what he would always

444
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 1: say to his SALESMAN. ABC i Love Michael. Scott what

445
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 1: about This stateton? Baseball all?

446
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 2: Right we had a couple of great. Birthdays we. Had

447
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,479
Speaker 2: Buddy bell was born, today And Buddy bell is one

448
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 2: of my favorite people of all. Time jeff one of

449
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 2: my favorite. Players, sorry we're not allowed to have. Favorites

450
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 2: but nineteen eighty TWO i started covering The Texas. RANGERS

451
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 2: i was like fourteen years. OLD i had no idea

452
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 2: WHAT i was doing as far as covering a. TEAM

453
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 2: i knew the, GAME i knew the, players BUT i

454
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 2: didn't know how to cover a. Team And, buddy who

455
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 2: treats the clubhouse kid as well as he treats the

456
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 2: owner of the, team really took good care of me

457
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 2: and made sure THAT i didn't get lost in the.

458
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 2: Shuffle And i'll always remember. That buddy just personifies what

459
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 2: it is to be a professional baseball. Player And Craig

460
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 2: bigio once told me that he learned what Major league

461
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 2: baseball is all about when he was a teammate With

462
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 2: Buddy bell for his his Final buddies final, season this

463
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 2: one with The, astros and they had a double, header

464
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,479
Speaker 2: And buddy's in his late thirties and he's in the

465
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 2: trainer's room in between games of a doubleheader getting a

466
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 2: needle in his knee so he can go out and

467
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 2: play the second game of the. Doubleheader he played both

468
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 2: games of the, doubleheader and that's When Craig, biggio one

469
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 2: of the great tough guys, ever recognized how the game

470
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 2: is supposed to be played when he Saw Buddy bell doing. That,

471
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 2: Also Jim tomey's birthday Today Jim, tomy one of the

472
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 2: nice guys who ever played the, sport hit over six

473
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 2: hundred home. Runs And i'll never Forget Jim toby grew

474
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 2: up as a Big cubs, fan and, somehow like right

475
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 2: before the start of A Major league, Game Jim tomy

476
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 2: was like nine years, old somehow he crawled his way

477
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 2: onto the field right before the game and got into

478
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 2: The cubs dugout and just wanted to go up and

479
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 2: say hello to His cub Hero Dave. Kingman he was

480
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: nine years. Old the game's going to start in like three.

481
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 2: Minutes finally security came along and, said, son you can't

482
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 2: be in. Here But Jim tomey made it into the

483
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 2: clubhouse to say hi To Dave kingman as a nine

484
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 2: year old his favorite.

485
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: Cup and it's so important to hear those. Stories Jim

486
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: Tomy hall Of famer because the way he treated. Fans

487
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: he recognized he was a fan back when he was a,

488
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: kid and so he treats fans the way, he as a,

489
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: fan would have wanted to be, treated WHICH i think

490
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: is so. Special of, course of, course.

491
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: All, Right, jeff The kirchin quandary this week is related

492
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: To dan. Shaughnessy, okay, okay Because, dan as we, Have

493
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 2: we will discuss more. Later dan is not just A

494
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 2: hall Of fame baseball, player but he covers all sports

495
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: as a columnist In. Boston, okay so covers The, celtics The,

496
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 2: bruins The, patriots and The Red. Sox Of he's a

497
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 2: baseball guy through and, through which is why he's on this.

498
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 2: Podcast but he has seen some of the greatest. Players

499
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 2: so our quandary this, Week, jeff is you take we're

500
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: just going to use the four major. Sports and IF

501
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: i offend anyone with, this, sorry but the four major

502
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 2: sports to me are, hockey, basketball, baseball and. Football AND

503
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 2: i maintain That boston has the best collection of best

504
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,719
Speaker 2: player in each. Sport in, hockey of, course It's bobby Orr,

505
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: baseball It's Ted. Williams, basketball It's Bill russell Or Larry.

506
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 2: BIRD i would Take Bill, russell even though nobody Loves

507
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 2: Larry bird more THAN i. Do and in, football of

508
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 2: course It's Tom. Brady so the question for all our

509
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 2: viewers out there is is there another city that has

510
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 2: a better forsome picking one player in each? Sport have

511
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 2: you given this any, Thought? Jeff BECAUSE i.

512
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: Have this is tough Because boston is, amazing but once

513
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: you get into once you get into Like, CHICAGO i,

514
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: Mean Michael jordan is the, goat right, right Then i'm

515
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: gonna make a slight argument here for my friends In,

516
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: cleveland because you've Got Lebron, James you've Got Jim brown

517
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 1: and those. Two arguably some Say Lebron james is the.

518
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: Goat you've got two out of. There PICK i mean

519
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: pick pick A Cleveland indian Slash, Guardians Bob, Feller Bob.

520
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: Feller who's your hockey, Player, jeff that's the, problem that's the.

521
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 2: Thing look At San. Francisco San francisco has Got Willy,

522
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: Mays Joe, montana and an Early Wilt, chamberlain but they

523
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 2: don't have a soccer. Player or you could go you

524
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 2: could Go Willy, Mays Joe, Montana Steph, curry but who's

525
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: the hockey? Player, LOOK i don't know anything about. Hockey

526
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 2: how About New, York. Jeff New york has Got Babe,

527
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 2: Ruth Mark, Messier Lawrence taylor And Patrick, ewey WHO i

528
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 2: think might be the Best New york. Nick but we're

529
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 2: not sure about. That so if anyone has another, TEAM

530
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: i mean Like la, Has Wayne, Gretzky Magic, Johnson Sandy,

531
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 2: Kofax Deacon, jones the great defensive. End so we're gonna

532
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: leave this up to our. Viewers All i'm saying IS

533
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: i Think boston has the best mount rushmore of players

534
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: for each. Sport AND i think it's a quandary BECAUSE

535
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: i don't think it's a slam. DUG i think there

536
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: are a lot of cities that make a really good.

537
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: Argument make your, argument great game or what dot com

538
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: you can chime in. There Obviously i'm a little. BIASED

539
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: i did spend quite a few years my first years

540
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: of my career radio In, Cleveland.

541
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 3: OHIO i grew.

542
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 2: Up In, maryland So, WASHINGTON dc is twenty minutes. Away

543
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 2: they Got Walter. Johnson DID i ever tell YOU i

544
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 2: went To Walter Johnson High school only every?

545
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 3: Week all?

546
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: Right Sammy ball one of the great quarterback kickers of all,

547
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 2: Time Alex, ovechkin And Wes. Unselt pretty darn group In washington,

548
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: Too pretty darn.

549
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: Good you, Know, dad you mentioned that actually you were

550
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: watching my niece and, nephew your grandchildren there In. Maryland

551
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: that's because the Aforementioned kelly And, mark WHO i not

552
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: so nicely attacked for not having cable at The i'm,

553
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: SORRY i have to apologize because they listened to every,

554
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: week So i'm gonna hear it from. Them but they're

555
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: In harris right, now and that's why you were watching their.

556
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: Kids AND i don't want to get inside. Baseball but

557
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: you basically texted me and, said just ask me BECAUSE

558
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: i asked you about a best of, all tim do

559
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: we have one this? Week and you, said just bring

560
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: Up kelly In? Paris and that's ALL i know is

561
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: so what is the?

562
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 3: Team?

563
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: Wait, wait, Wait first, off we have to clarify Its, Paris. France,

564
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: okay Because, jeff because a friend of mine at The

565
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: Dallas Morning, news a senior writer at The Dallas Morning,

566
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: news wrote in the paper that The International Grand prix

567
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: was meeting at its headquarters In paris and one of

568
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: the editors changed it To, Paris. Texas that is the

569
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: worst Edit i've ever. SEEN i love, Editors they're. CRUCIAL

570
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: i can't live without. Them so It's, Paris, France, Jeff,

571
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 2: so in honor Of Kelly kirchen and her Husband Mark.

572
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: KEENAHAN i THOUGHT i would come up with the baseball

573
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: players in the cities of the. World, okay and we're

574
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,959
Speaker 2: doing this on purpose in a slightly different. Order our

575
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 2: pitching staff Includes Paul moscow very, Good Don, Florence Alex,

576
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: Madrid John, Nice Jose lima and from The United, States

577
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: Orlando hernandez and so many people go To, Orlando florida For.

578
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: Disney the outfield Is Claudel, Washington Darryl, boston And Clyde.

579
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: MILAN i had to look that one, up didn't know

580
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 2: who he. Was our catcher Is Benito, santiago, RIGHT i

581
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 2: always Say, chili which is so. Wrong H Tyler austin

582
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: AND i fudged this one BECAUSE i just love his.

583
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 2: Name Larry milbourne even Though melbourne with it or not

584
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 2: would have been a much Better. Uh Miguel cairo is our,

585
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: shortstop and our third basement Is Kelly. Paris, no, yes

586
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: and your Sister kelly is In paris at the, moment

587
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: so that is. Spectacular that was the impetus behind using

588
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 2: The kelly going pitcher outfield, infield so the kicker at

589
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: the end Was Kelly.

590
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: Paris excellent, Job, dad that is. Great, Hey SO i

591
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: have some kind of breaking. News so we are recording

592
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: this virtually and our friends At, Stratamatic, dad have just

593
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: sent me our simulation that we. Had is this a

594
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: great sim or? What that's what they call, It by the,

595
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: way is this a great sim or? What from our?

596
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: Friends It's Strata, maatic the market leader in sports. Simulations, So,

597
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,959
Speaker 1: dad the age old. Question and you AND i debated

598
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: all the, time right contact versus, power especially in this

599
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: day and, age in this world where everyone's trying to

600
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: hit home. Runs you AND i were talking together while

601
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: we were at The Little League World series and thought to,

602
00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: ourselves who would win in a Game the All Kyle schwarber,

603
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: team low batting average but high power hitter right and

604
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: on base percentage walks one hundred, times really good, player

605
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: night time on base percentage. Guy or the All Louis arise,

606
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: team all, contact all, day high batting. Average and that's

607
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: always been the, debate contact versus. Power so here's WHAT

608
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: i set up with our friends At Stratamatic, data And

609
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: i'm so excited about this. One they took this to

610
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: the next. Level they put Nine Louise arises and Nine

611
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: Kyle schwarbers on the same. Team then they simulated a

612
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty two game. Season, NOW i want

613
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: to make sure they're not playing in the. Field, okay we.

614
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: Didn't that's not important to. This we're simply thinking. Offense, So,

615
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: dad one hundred and sixty two, games and they all

616
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 1: played against the same pitchers and defensive settings as, well

617
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: seventy five percent right, handers twenty five percent left handed.

618
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: Pitchers AND i cannot. Wait this is the first time

619
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: you're hearing this of the. Summary one hundred and sixty. Two, Now,

620
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: dad they came up with a a record for each.

621
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: Team tell me who do you think had the better.

622
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 2: Record i'm gonna, say based on all the times That

623
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 2: Kyle schwarber reaches base with his walks and hits the

624
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: ball out of the, Ballpark i'm gonna say Nine Kyle

625
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 2: schwarber's beat Nine Luis, rises.

626
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:38,720
Speaker 1: And you would be. Incorrect what it was. Close Team

627
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:44,720
Speaker 1: arise finished eighty two and. Eighty Team schwarber finished eighty

628
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: and eighty.

629
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 2: Two, jeff this is why we hired this is why

630
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 2: we brought In stratumatic to help us with, this because

631
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: we ask all these. Questions would a team full of

632
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 2: nine goal glovers beat a team full of nine? Dhs

633
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 2: you know it doesn't matter what the Gold glovers. Hit

634
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 2: that type of, thing those are the kind of questions

635
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 2: that keep me up at. Night and this is so.

636
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: Beautiful so it just proves again that even Though Kyle

637
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: schwarber hits for a relatively low, average he is a

638
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 2: really good offensive. Player and even Though Luisa rise doesn't

639
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 2: drive in a ton of runs or hit the ball

640
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: on the ballpark or walk a, lot he's still a

641
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 2: really good baseball. Player and that's all we're trying to prove.

642
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: Here Team arise batted three oh, Six Team schwarber batted

643
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: two to oh. Six oh my, Gosh Team arise seven

644
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty three runs, Scored Team schwarber seven hundred

645
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: and sixty seven sixteen run difference runs scored on the.

646
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: Season but here's the crazy, Number Team schwarber four hundred

647
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: and thirty eight home. Runs that's an, average that's an

648
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: average of forty eight point six per player On Team.

649
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: Schwarber but get, this they struck out one thousand and

650
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: five and three times fifteen hundred.

651
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: Strikeouts, oh it's. Unbelievable that is so, Good. Jeff i'm

652
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 2: so glad that you that we got this on, time

653
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: and thank you stratamatic for all of. THIS i love.

654
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: It they. Hit they hit by far more home runs

655
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: than any team ever has in one. Season and of

656
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: course the strikeout raid is just. Ridiculous so it's. Insane

657
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 2: but we have to, Repeat, jeff it was a compliment

658
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 2: To Kyle schwarber and a compliment To Luisa rise that

659
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: we chose both of those, guys because even though they

660
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 2: approach the game, differently they're both really.

661
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:54,000
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00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,560
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664
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: can check that. Out Dan show is our guest this.

665
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: Week i'm so.

666
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: Excited, Yeah And, jeff As i've told you said, Already

667
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 2: dan was my mentor in the business and the reason

668
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 2: he's so. Good he's one of the great baseball writers,

669
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: ever A hall Of, famer and he's the most fearless

670
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: columnist out. There he does not care who gets angry with.

671
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: Him he is absolutely. Fearless the truth will set him,

672
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 2: free is how he puts.

673
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 1: It.

674
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 2: So he used to Cover celtics and on a plane

675
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 2: flight Once Scott wedman really good shooting forward for The.

676
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: Celtics his, Wife Scott wedman's wife came up To Dan

677
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: shaughnessy on an airplane and, Said, GOD i hate. You

678
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 2: and then she paused and she, Said, god are you

679
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 2: a great? Writer and that's all that matters To Dan.

680
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 2: Shaughnessy it's not the first. Part he doesn't care if

681
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 2: you like. Him it only matters that you respect him

682
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 2: as a great. Writer and he is a great.

683
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: WRITER i had a chance to talk to him in

684
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 1: person for this. Interview it's coming up. Next welcome back

685
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: To is this a great game or?

686
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 2: What and we're joined By Dan, Shaughnessy hall of, fame baseball,

687
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 2: writer calumnist for The Boston, globe and my mentor in this, Business,

688
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 2: Dan thank you so. Much me And jeff are doing

689
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: our own. Podcast how great is?

690
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 4: That unbelievable we're HEARING i can't believe where we are

691
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 4: and we were doing this looking out.

692
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 3: At the Lake otis isn't this be so?

693
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: Perfect amazing the view we? Have, now my dad has

694
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: told me THAT i have to open this up with

695
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: when you introduced him To Earl? Weaver can you tell that?

696
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 4: Story, YEAH i mean it was the first time being a,

697
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 4: reporter coming up to the VIEW.

698
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: I was learning From. Dan So dan took me with

699
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 2: him to go learn the.

700
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 4: Ropes we're standing rose by the. Cage brought him out

701
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 4: behind the cage where was standing DURING. Vp Hey, erl

702
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 4: this is Young Tim. Kirkhchen he's going to be joining us.

703
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 4: Today what did else say to?

704
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 3: You you? Too he.

705
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 4: A big, icebreaker and then he walked. AWAY i, said,

706
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 4: oh And, earl you Know tim's first. ASSIGNMENT i thought

707
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 4: it'd make something real. Easy he's gonna do it a

708
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 4: sidebar On doug Dea, sinse who everybody hated and hated,

709
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 4: everybody and but he Was he loved to, talk love

710
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 4: to talk about. Himself And earle, said oh, Great, tim Dougda.

711
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 4: Sinse doug's gonna love you because you're gonna show interest

712
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 4: in him and make him tell him his.

713
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 3: Story but the other twenty four guys that they're gonna hate.

714
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 3: You you talking To. Doug well After.

715
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: Earl f bomb, Me dan looks at me and, goes,

716
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 2: oh that's what he does to all the guys that he.

717
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 2: LIKES i met him fifteen seconds earlier and he's already

718
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 2: f bobbing me the other. Thing SO i learned everything From.

719
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: Dan he's the guy who showed me the. Rope, So,

720
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 2: dan the first TIME i brought my score, sheet like

721
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 2: like on a big legal, PAD i like scratched out my.

722
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 2: Scoreesheet do you remember what you said to?

723
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 3: Me, no.

724
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 2: You said you gotta go get yourself with score. Book

725
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 2: you can't use legal pad to be drawing all this.

726
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,439
Speaker 2: Stuff it was such a great reminder THAT i better

727
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 2: do things professionally from the.

728
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 4: Beginning and THEN i have a recollection if you have

729
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 4: an A San Francisco, giants yes score.

730
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 2: Book yeah it was, Bad. DAN i was a Huge

731
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 2: giants fan at the. Time and the MINUTE i started covering,

732
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 2: baseball AND i mean, this thanks to, YOU i threw

733
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: away my allegiance to The giants BECAUSE i realized this

734
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 2: is a raging conflict of.

735
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 3: INTEREST i. Can't, yeah yeah that. Happened well if you

736
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 3: worked out pretty good way to.

737
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 2: Go, yeah so thanks to.

738
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: You by the, way instead of writing a legal pad

739
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: and drawing his own. Scorecards now he's A hall Of

740
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: fame baseball writer like.

741
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 2: Yourself AND i was going To, Rochester New york to

742
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 2: take a Job jeff to COVER rpi rentally Or Polytechnic.

743
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 2: INSTITUTE i was going to go do their hockey and

744
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 2: football team or, something And DAN i was at The Washington.

745
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 2: Star he, Said, tim you can't. Go you can't. Go

746
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 2: it's not a better. Job you need to stay here In.

747
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: Washington and it turned, out.

748
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 4: Yeah go there and then they'll forget about. You better

749
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 4: be doing some stuff in a big, market which worked up.

750
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 4: You and one of your early, STORIES i still remember

751
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 4: your line When dave made you go to the. Tryouts

752
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 4: have you told that story in your? Podcast?

753
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: NO i.

754
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 4: Haven't do you remember, it, yes because you know they

755
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 4: had you. Short you were lined up with all the

756
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 4: shortstops taking.

757
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 3: Grounders.

758
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 4: Goes you, know everybody goes to the open. Tryout it

759
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 4: was The, orioles, right and we're gonna they'll sign one guy.

760
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 4: Whatever they never signed. That nothing ever comes to, it

761
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 4: but everybody's fired up going to go try out for The.

762
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,479
Speaker 4: Orioles and what convinced you that you were not the worst?

763
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: Player, Well, Jeff i'm taking ground balls at a tryout

764
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 2: to get signed to play in The oriole. System of,

765
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 2: course everyone there thought if you got, signed you were.

766
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: Gonna play for The orioles to.

767
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: Borrow he had to explain that's not.

768
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 3: What this is.

769
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 2: About SO i am taking ground balls AND i am

770
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 2: not making this. Up the guy next to, Me dan

771
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 2: is wearing, loafers so he's wearing dress, shoes and he's

772
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 2: wearing a dress shirt much like the ONE i have

773
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: now button down at the front like. This he came

774
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 2: to a tryout. Camp we're dressed in good shoes at

775
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 2: a dresser.

776
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 3: And jorda ash. Jeans, YES i KNEW i. WAS i

777
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 3: KNEW i wasn't the worst.

778
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 4: Guy when the guy next to he was wearing joridash,

779
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 4: JEANS i, said this kid's pretty.

780
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 3: Good like. Him let him do some, sidebars.

781
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 2: Just to show you how clueless those poor kids were

782
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: at that. Thing, afterwards a guy comes up to me

783
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 2: and he, says, so what? Happened AND i, said they signed,

784
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 2: me and he, GOES i knew they. WOULD i knew

785
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 2: you were really, good which was absolutely. Ridiculous and just

786
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: to finish the, STORY i don't THINK i ever told you.

787
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 2: THIS i was the first guy to bat in this

788
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: little inner squad. Game and they had brought a kid

789
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 2: in From, pennsylvania high school, kid And i'm like twenty

790
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 2: four years. Old they bring in a high school kid

791
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 2: And he's the one guy they want to, watch And

792
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 2: i'm the first guy to bat Against. Dan i'm not

793
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: making this. Up he before he crosses the line to

794
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 2: walk to the, mound he does a backflip AND i,

795
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 2: think oh my, god he's throwing ninety miles an hour

796
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 2: and he's out of his mind AND i have to face.

797
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 2: Him at age twenty, FOUR i swung at the first.

798
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: Pitch the ball lodged in the mud in front of home.

799
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: Plate no one could get it, out AND i actually

800
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 2: got a hit BECAUSE i was too afraid to stay

801
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: you there longer than one pitchoic. SWUNG i actually hit

802
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 2: it into the ground AND i got a.

803
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 4: Knock have you told your hitting story about hitting Off Bob?

804
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 2: FELLER i have, no BUT i want you to tell

805
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 2: it again because, well you think it's the greatest.

806
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 4: Story, hell he was just, cranky old bastard no matter

807
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 4: where you. WENT i, MEAN i REMEMBER i loved him

808
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 4: because but always.

809
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 3: Talk but he was.

810
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 4: Crabby and it was always everybody's better in my, day

811
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 4: and the whole. Thing we were better than these, Guys

812
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 4: and why can't they go eleven innings than the? Usual

813
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 4: AND i remember he came to The Ted Williams Hitter,

814
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 4: museum And.

815
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 3: Ted could draw.

816
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 4: People this thing was in you, know horrible middle Of, Florida, Hernando, florida.

817
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 4: DREADFUL i, Mean demaggio got there and he's looking around

818
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 4: like what AM i?

819
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 3: Doing you?

820
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 4: Know And Muhammad ali was, there Who this was something

821
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 4: you'd notice if you Had Joe, Demaggio Ted williams And

822
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 4: Muhammad ali in the. Room Muhammed ali was the biggest

823
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 4: figure in the, room which just shows you that gravitasity

824
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 4: and how big he. Was Bob feller was not particularly

825
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 4: pleased to See Muhammad ali there because he was a

826
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,479
Speaker 4: draft dodger that he could not get THAT i thought

827
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 4: he was going to go for at the cocktail. Hour you,

828
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 4: know it was like all he could see was this

829
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 4: guy had not stood up for THE us OF a

830
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 4: and draft dodger of the whole thing like. That so

831
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 4: and just not a gracious, guy but a hilarious, guy

832
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 4: and you know great and he obviously served his country

833
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 4: In World War two and miss parts of his career

834
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 4: and all. That but later on when he's making money

835
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 4: barnstorming and trying to make up for all the money

836
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 4: he wasn't making compared to today's young guys making all this,

837
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 4: money which made him. Bitter part of his barnstorming was

838
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 4: to go around and pitch to dopes like us in you,

839
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 4: know just batting, practice and then you got a. CERTIFICATE

840
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 4: i hit Off Bob. Feller and When tim got, his

841
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:47,439
Speaker 4: he noticed this the fine.

842
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 3: Print take it.

843
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 2: Away, tim the aforementioned, slugger realizes if he had faced

844
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 2: Mister feller in his, prime the results would have been.

845
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: Different nodt, YEAH i want to lit him.

846
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: Up in nineteen, forty one of my favorite stories that

847
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: we heard on the podcast was actually From Lindsay, Barra

848
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: Yogi bara's granddaughter Who yogi was so quiet about his

849
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: service to this country That Bob feller wouldn't talk to

850
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: him because he didn't know he served the. Country so

851
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: she told us that and somebody another. Player no, no, no,

852
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: no, No yogi. Served he just doesn't talk about that time

853
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: in his life because it was so important to him

854
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: and it was so, humble and we got chills when

855
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: we Had lindzavera on the. Show that was that was

856
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: a really neat. STORY i wanted to ask you, though

857
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: being that we are a father son podcast and obviously

858
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: we talk about, baseball but your son is so important to,

859
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: you and you wrote an entire book about. IT a

860
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: home run.

861
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 2: Tell us, Funny what was the impetus to write the

862
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:41,720
Speaker 2: book About Sam.

863
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 4: Shaughnessy, WELL i think you, know both Of sam's oldest

864
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 4: sisters played, ball and they all played a little bit in.

865
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 4: College the high school THING i, WAS i just. LOVED

866
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 4: i loved high school ball, myself and having your youngest

867
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 4: and he was a good high school, player and having,

868
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 4: him you, KNOW i KNEW.

869
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 3: I was going to be sad when it was.

870
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 4: Over SO i just kind of kept a journal and

871
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 4: it was a way for me to tell all my

872
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 4: old stories and sort of a you, know universal truths

873
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 4: of parenting and then and. Now So i'm telling stories

874
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 4: from the sixties about myself and growing up in a

875
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 4: small town and then fast forwarding to what it's like.

876
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 4: Now SO i just was able to bring out all those.

877
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 4: Stories BUT i REMEMBER i was, provoked you, KNOW i

878
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 4: was waiting for a game to, end in one of

879
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 4: his extra ending games in high, school AND i had

880
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 4: to get out to awake for my. Neph my cousin's

881
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 4: son was very very, sad you, know drug overdose and

882
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 4: all this, stuff AND i was just really sad about

883
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 4: going out, there AND i.

884
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 3: Was hanging because the game wasn't. Over And sam.

885
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 4: Had this Box Toyota corolla out beyond the fence in

886
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 4: right field where the school parking lot.

887
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 3: Was AND i was parked near.

888
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 4: It and finally it WAS i don't, know, ninth tenth inning,

889
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 4: whatever but he hit a walk off and it hit the,

890
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 4: Car it hit the ship, box you, know so it

891
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 4: was a walk off drive, off you, Know AND i

892
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 4: drove off as soon AS i saw him go around the.

893
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 4: BASES i got the hell out to the to the

894
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 4: wakeout In central Mass but, YEAH i Think John lowman

895
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 4: had come up with that walk off drive off hit

896
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 4: his own.

897
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: Car.

898
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 2: Damn what was it like to Watch sam play baseball

899
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 2: At Boston. College he was a good.

900
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 3: Year he had.

901
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 4: One good year AT. Bc you, know he led the

902
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 4: team and on base. Percentage and you, know they had

903
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 4: like six or seven guys who got, drafted you, know

904
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 4: three or four and played the big. Leagues Eric campbell

905
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 4: played for The, mets and the catcher was fourth pick

906
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 4: in the, Country Tony, sanchez and they but they had

907
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 4: a lot of guys like, him left handed hitters who you,

908
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 4: know were bigger than him in most. Cases so but

909
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 4: in the year he, played he had two doubles Off Matt.

910
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 4: Harvey and you, know he played summer ball And strausburg

911
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 4: was just coming, up and he hit Against. Strasburg it's

912
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 4: a polite word for what he, did but he batted

913
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 4: Against strasburg and he you, Know sam always wanted to jack,

914
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 4: everything and and.

915
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 3: He hit a foul.

916
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 4: Ball he fouled one, back which was a major, triumph

917
00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 4: and Then strasburg had him oh two and threw him

918
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 4: And SAM i was through the bat and downright. FIELD i,

919
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 4: mean it was just he was so ahead of it

920
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 4: because he was so you, know geared up for. That but,

921
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 4: yeah it was fun and you, know later on to

922
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 4: just see these guys go to the major leagues and

923
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 4: then remember that he had had a moment against. Them

924
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 4: he had three home runs in a high school. Game

925
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,959
Speaker 4: my brother was a really good. Player my brother played

926
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 4: in THE Kp, league played For, orleans you, know and

927
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 4: when my son had three home runs in a high

928
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 4: school tournament, game which was a game changer for, him

929
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 4: my brother came up to him and, goes, Oh, sam

930
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 4: a nice job with those three. Homers you, KNOW i

931
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 4: only did that, twice like you, asshole you know who says.

932
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: That So, dan my grandfather grew up In, boston my dad,

933
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: said and we still have a lot Of kirkcheins In, Watertown.

934
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: Massachusetts but you what was it Like Ted williams in

935
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: that town and Meeting Ted williams and getting to, have you,

936
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: know a working relationship so to.

937
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 3: Speak, well Let tim.

938
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 4: KNOWS i Mean ted didn't think a lot of our,

939
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 4: profession the. Writers you, know he grew to be much

940
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 4: nicer in his old.

941
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 3: Age SO i was. LUCKY i you, Know i'm sure

942
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 3: would have hated each other If i'd covered. Him it

943
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 3: was like me And David, ortiz or me And pedro

944
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 3: Or manny or. Whatever you.

945
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 4: Know it wasn't always good no, more but the fact

946
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 4: that he was an old guy AND i was.

947
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 3: Young even though he could say write.

948
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 4: Like a four letter, word he had a very soft

949
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 4: spot for children with cancer because he just there was

950
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 4: a lot of it around. Him and he was a

951
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 4: pioneer of The Jimmy. Fund he knew Doctor Sidney farber

952
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 4: who got things. Going and when my daughter was diagnosed

953
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety three with, leukemia she was eight years,

954
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 4: old and she's in the hospital one day AND i

955
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 4: didn't Know TED i, had you, know right here in

956
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 4: this oda. Saga one TIME i sat at his. Table

957
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 4: they'd have tables the day after the. Induction you could

958
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 4: sit At audio's, Table feller's, table And TED i took

959
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 4: The ted, table and no one dared say a. Word

960
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 4: he sat down at that, table and everybody, looked and

961
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 4: no one wanted to and.

962
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 3: He, said scared to, death aren't?

963
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 4: You and we, were you, Know and it was just

964
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 4: so that's how you were around. Him but when my

965
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 4: daughter was, sick the phone rang in the hospital and

966
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 4: she was in the early days of. Treatment it was

967
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 4: a two year protocol for the treatment and knock on

968
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 4: which she things came out. Great she has three little boys,

969
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 4: now but in those, moments everybody scared to, death and

970
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 4: it's just a bomb of. News and she, said she, Said,

971
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 4: daddy there's a loud man on the phone telling Me

972
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 4: i'm going to be.

973
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 3: Okay and she didn't know who he.

974
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 4: Was he identified himself and and she passed the receiver to.

975
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 3: Me he, said, eh you're a little. Girl you tell.

976
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 3: HER i knew Doctor, farber and damn.

977
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 4: It we're Gonna we always said he could cure these,

978
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 4: kids and he's going to find a, way and damn,

979
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 4: it he'll do. It and you tell, Her i'll come

980
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 4: up and see, her and AND i hope she becomes a.

981
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 4: Ballplayer AND i heard she likes to. Hit and after,

982
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 4: THAT i just put a call through AND i could

983
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 4: always get him because he'd, said How's kate can she?

984
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 3: Hit how's it? Going and she.

985
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 4: Did she played high school, Softball she walked on AT

986
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 4: bu played a little bit and she's been a coach ever.

987
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 4: Since but she had this. Relationship and the day he,

988
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 4: died she was working at The Twin souvenir shop because

989
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 4: Near Cross Street, fenway and she had A ted authentic

990
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 4: jersey and she wore, it not knowing That ted was

991
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 4: going to die that. Day and then she was wearing

992
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 4: it in the shop when she learned that he. Died

993
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 4: and you, know we did an event With gammons on the.

994
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 4: Field they had twenty thousand fans come out For, ted

995
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 4: and she was on the field giving a tribute back to,

996
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 4: him and she.

997
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 3: Did he did come up to meet. Her she met

998
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 3: him at the ninety Nine All Star. Game we went

999
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 3: to the. Hotel we took pictures and talked about.

1000
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 4: Hitting and when you talked about hitting With, ted he

1001
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 4: would he was sleepy then and he was really in and,

1002
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 4: out but you started talking about, hitting he would rise.

1003
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 4: Up and then he asked for a pad of paper

1004
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 4: and he drew all these you, know he always wanted

1005
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 4: the uppercut because the mounds higher than you are and

1006
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 4: it's coming this way and you need to be going this.

1007
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 4: Way and it was all geometry to, him and you,

1008
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 4: know and the whole get a good pitch to hit

1009
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 4: and all.

1010
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 3: That but we were lucky that we had a.

1011
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 4: Family relationship because he had a soft spot for children with.

1012
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 2: Cancer right ninety Nine All Star, Game, dan that's my

1013
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 2: Favorite All star game because Of, pedro but mostly because

1014
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 2: of the pregamer With.

1015
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 3: Ted you agree so much going on that.

1016
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 4: Night it's hard to reconstruct, it BUT i know. That you,

1017
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 4: know there was a marine group From vermont to do the,

1018
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 4: flyover and they were trying to show off To ted

1019
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 4: because he was a pilot and he liked that sort of.

1020
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 4: Thing and they showed. Off they buzzed the, tower they Buzzed,

1021
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 4: fenway and they broke windows.

1022
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 3: In the back.

1023
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 4: Bay they got in, trouble you, know because they knew

1024
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 4: they were going to see him, afterwards and they. Did

1025
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 4: they got to go off The Green Mountain boys or.

1026
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 4: Something it's a famous military flying group up, there and

1027
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 4: so they had an audience with, him and your dad

1028
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 4: AND i have. Talked Matt damon was newly famous And

1029
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 4: matt's dad was a hitting coach at my son's high

1030
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 4: school And Kent, damon who's passed away. Since and they

1031
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 4: had an audience To ted Good Will hunting was fresh

1032
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 4: and he's An oscar winner and he's like twenty. Six

1033
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 4: and you, Know matt played a Little and When matt

1034
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 4: got Into ted's lounge up there and he, said Mister,

1035
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 4: WILLIAMS i read your. Book, yeah what's the most important

1036
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 4: thing in that? Book he, said get a good pitch to,

1037
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 4: hit all, right then you're all right hugging. Him and after,

1038
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 4: that if you knew the cons to that you, were

1039
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 4: you were. Good he just he would light, up light.

1040
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 2: Up, Dan how lucky are you to have grown up

1041
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 2: in The boston area and you either saw or covered you,

1042
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 2: Know bobby Or Bill, Russell Tom, Brady Ted, williams all

1043
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 2: These Larry bird, right of, course the best of them.

1044
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 2: All what has that been like for you as a

1045
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 2: sports writer to be a part of that legacy In, BOSTON.

1046
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:25,720
Speaker 3: I Mean Boston's.

1047
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 4: Rushmore if you took one from every, sport it could

1048
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 4: be the best guy in that, Sport bobby Or Bill,

1049
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 4: Russell Ted, Williams Tom, Brady Tom, BRADY i think you

1050
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 4: know that you can make a case no city can do.

1051
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 4: That and, again we had all the success we had

1052
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 4: in this. Century we've had thirteen championship, parades and all

1053
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 4: four teams won a championship in a span of six

1054
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 4: years and four. Months AND i was every one of those.

1055
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 4: Things so, YEAH i really privileged. That and to get

1056
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 4: to know these guys and you, know able to have

1057
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 4: them in your cell phone and hopefully get them and

1058
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 4: and like.

1059
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 3: That, YES i mean these.

1060
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 4: Were my boyhood idols in some cases and some cases

1061
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 4: you become almost their. Age and but, yeah.

1062
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 3: We've had the great the greatest of the.

1063
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 1: Greats we, Have dan question AND i know both of

1064
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: You hall Of fame baseball. Writers so AS i went

1065
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: to school to study, journalism Now i'm a country radio,

1066
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 1: host So i'm, not you, know trying to deadline and

1067
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: do all That i've heard so many great stories from

1068
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: my dad of showing up to interview a potential coach

1069
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: and they think he's the paper, boy not the, journalist

1070
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: or trying to get the story in in. Time do

1071
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: you have any great deadline stories or funny you, know

1072
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: boots on the.

1073
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,479
Speaker 3: Ground, WELL i mean, again things.

1074
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 4: WEREN'T i was all rosy In boston AND i you,

1075
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 4: know AND i learned the art of doing things. Quickly

1076
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 4: this is part of when you have to be professional

1077
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 4: and not be a fan and not be. Emotional it's

1078
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 4: like if you bet in the, game you're so pissed

1079
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 4: off that the call didn't go your way or it

1080
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 4: went the other. Way and in our, case you, know

1081
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 4: having a story. Ready nineteen eighty, six they're going to win.

1082
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 3: The World series In New.

1083
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 4: YORK i mean it's it's five to three in the

1084
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 4: bottom of the, tenth two outs and nobody. On you

1085
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,959
Speaker 4: can't lose that. Game and So i'm writing The Dave

1086
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 4: henderson's statue. Story you, know he hit the home run

1087
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 4: at the top of the. Tenth he had rescued them

1088
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 4: In anaheim when they were, Down so it's.

1089
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 3: Going to be All Dave.

1090
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 4: Henderson but It's saturday night and it's the night you

1091
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,479
Speaker 4: turn the clocks, back and he had hit the news

1092
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 4: day sign at eleven fifty. Nine it was this, great you,

1093
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 4: know had all this stuff, ready And i'm The Red

1094
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 4: sox sixty eight.

1095
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 3: Years they're going to win The World. Series it's you

1096
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 3: can't lose this.

1097
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 4: Game While i'm composing, this you, know night, Singles mitchell,

1098
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 4: singles you, Know Carter carter was, First Carter Mitchell, knight

1099
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 4: then the while and then they bring the steamer in

1100
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 4: and all Of boston, shrieks you, know and then there's

1101
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 4: the wild pitch pass ball and Then mookie the jackknife

1102
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 4: on the, spinner and then you know behind the, bag you,

1103
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 4: Know Vince scully AND i, mean so you just vaporize

1104
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 4: That henderson column and now you're, writing you, know you, know.

1105
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 3: Spitting out pieces of your broken luck. Here now you've

1106
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 3: got to flip that very.

1107
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 4: Quickly SO i was practiced in. That and fast forward

1108
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 4: to two thousand and. Three you, Know pedro's got the

1109
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 4: five to two lead in the eighth inning And Yankee,

1110
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 4: stadium that's. Over but you know they stayed too. Long

1111
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 4: hit start rattling, around and so they're going to win

1112
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 4: the pennant On yankee soil after eighty five years and

1113
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 4: you're ready with, that and then all this stuff. Happens

1114
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 4: so you've got to be able to. Quickly those are

1115
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,439
Speaker 4: the deadline. THINGS i, remember you, know The tuck. Game

1116
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 4: that was A saturday. Night it's Always saturday night with this,

1117
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 4: stuff you, know and in newspapers that was deadly because

1118
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 4: you just And saturday night with a foot of snow

1119
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 4: And brady. Fumbles you, know the kid From michigan caused

1120
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 4: the fumble and that's. It, okay this was a nice

1121
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 4: little run. Here they didn't make. It same Old. Patriots

1122
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 4: and Then Walt coleman comes forward through the.

1123
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 3: Snow it, says, wait The tuck.

1124
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 4: Rule, no a dynasty built on a, lie you, KNOW i,

1125
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 4: mean you know they end up win in five, more

1126
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 4: but they lost that game on a.

1127
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 3: Fumble let's the kid's name From. Michigan he's in The

1128
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 3: hall Of. Fame would you know he was the football? Player, yeah,

1129
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 3: yeah he tackled, time he caused the.

1130
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 4: Fumble oh really yeah, yeah with The Oakland, Raider i'll get.

1131
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 3: It yeah.

1132
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 4: Anyway so, Yeah so being able to change your mind

1133
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 4: quickly and go from the greatest high to the lowest,

1134
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 4: low or.

1135
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 3: You, know in some cases he went the other way

1136
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 3: a couple of times, later w on So.

1137
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 2: Dan this podcast is a tribute to my father. Ultimately

1138
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 2: that's why we have a father. Son my, dad who

1139
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 2: went TO mit undergrad. PhD in, mathematics grew up In.

1140
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 2: Watertown he was born in nineteen, eighteen, wow and he

1141
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 2: died in.

1142
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: Two thousand and.

1143
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 2: Three so he was alive for eighty six years and

1144
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 2: never saw The Red sox. WIN i, mean doesn't that

1145
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,919
Speaker 2: personify at least at one point What Red sox fans

1146
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 2: were all.

1147
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: About that was.

1148
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 4: Real that's why when they want to know four it's

1149
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 4: still the greatest sports story of all. Time it's, biblical

1150
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 4: and people go into gravesites and putting things on in,

1151
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 4: cemetery on gravestones and, flowers and the parade which went

1152
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 4: into the. Water then they've used the duckboats on the.

1153
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 4: Water they had the amphibious thing. Going so they go

1154
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 4: to Down Boyle street and then down The Charles river

1155
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 4: And Stan grossfeldt Go there's a shot in the back

1156
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 4: of one of my. Books it's like the guy's in the.

1157
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 4: Water it looks, like you, know he's In jerusalem or.

1158
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 4: Something he's, like arms, out he's knee deep in The

1159
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 4: Charles river with the socks thing. On they finally won

1160
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 4: him and it was just and it was millions of.

1161
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 3: People it was the.

1162
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 4: Largest celebration In New. England and of all the Stories i've,

1163
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 4: done the games themselves, weren't you, know except for you,

1164
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 4: Know games four and five of The.

1165
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 3: Alcs they weren't really.

1166
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 4: Epic but beating The, yankees after everything that had, happened.

1167
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 3: It. Was it was the Greatest boats story.

1168
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 2: Ever dan tell us About Larry. Bird tell us your

1169
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 2: favorite you know how WHICH i love? Basketball you love?

1170
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 2: Basketball tell us A Larry bird story that Maybe jeffrey

1171
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 2: hasn't heard.

1172
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 4: Yet, WELL i mean you were there for a lot of.

1173
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 4: Them he you, know he AND i had a bad

1174
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 4: year last. Year deep down he liked, me but WHEN

1175
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 4: i wrote about his barroom, fight he didn't like. That

1176
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 4: said he wouldn't talk to me all, year and he

1177
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 4: kept it going right up to The All Star, game

1178
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 4: which was the In.

1179
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 3: Dallas who was the first three.

1180
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 4: Point Contest Larry bird ten thousand dollars for ten minutes

1181
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 4: of shooting that that just his head exploded how great that,

1182
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 4: was because that's all it's all he cared about was.

1183
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 4: Money and so you know that's when he walks into

1184
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 4: the room and asks the other seven, guys you, know

1185
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 4: which one of you guys is gonna come in? Second

1186
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 4: you know one of them became an, official you, know

1187
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 4: he was a sixers guard. There forget his, name but

1188
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 4: you know it was it was so devastated and he

1189
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 4: goes out and you, know whin's the win's that? One

1190
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 4: and you were in the room he came into the

1191
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 4: into the. Winners you, Know i'm the three point. King

1192
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 4: he just keeps, Saying i'm the three point.

1193
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 2: King and then he looks At dan shot as you

1194
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 2: hadn't spoken to a, year and he goes go put

1195
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 2: that in your.

1196
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 3: Newspaper it was, like you, know it was just it

1197
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 3: just made him so.

1198
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 4: Happy and he had he had taken bets with his

1199
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 4: teammates because those guys they had a lot of, marksmen you,

1200
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 4: know wetman ceasting, change they had long, range you, know

1201
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 4: that's why they would have hold up so well. Today

1202
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 4: and there were a lot of. Bets they all wanted to.

1203
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 4: Go he got to, go and he took bets and

1204
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 4: then he had one of those little. Books and when

1205
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 4: the next game is In sacramento after The All star,

1206
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 4: break and he was outside the team, bus you, know

1207
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 4: getting his, money so, oh you can go back up

1208
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 4: to your, room you. Know then like he was checking

1209
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 4: off who owed him. What he just loved taking your.

1210
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 3: Money.

1211
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 2: Right Tell, jeffrey who's a music, guy about the discussion

1212
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 2: you had on the bus that day With Larry.

1213
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 3: Well that was In dallas.

1214
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 4: Also it was the atrium of the Old Hyatt, regency

1215
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 4: which was attached to The Reunion.

1216
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 3: Arena it was. Great in nineteen eighty eighty.

1217
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 4: Five november eighty, Five celtics had this weird. Thing they

1218
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 4: had two days off In. Dallas there had been a,

1219
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 4: game it must have Been San antonio and we got To.

1220
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 4: Dallas we were Off sunday And, monday Playing.

1221
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 3: Tuesday against The.

1222
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 4: Mavericks that's a lot of time off THE. Nba you

1223
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 4: never known hotel that. Long so we're in the. ATRIUM

1224
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 4: i was drinking With Peter. May it's a dead Ass

1225
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:02,439
Speaker 4: sunday and, uh there's a show next door that, night

1226
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 4: unbeknownst to. Us so we're just having beers And Burden

1227
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 4: buckner came by just to break. Balls they would see

1228
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 4: us and just come, by hopefully get free drinks and.

1229
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 4: Breakballs so they sit down and make themselves at. HOME

1230
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 4: i think they had their sweats on coming from playing,

1231
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 4: shooting and so we're just shooting the. Shit and then

1232
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 4: the gates opened To Reunion arena and like a thousand

1233
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 4: young people come streaming through for the, concert And larry,

1234
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 4: says what's that all? ABOUT i, said, Oh springsteen's playing there,

1235
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 4: tonight and he, goes who's? THAT i, said you Know Bruce.

1236
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 4: Springsteen he, says, Yeah Rick. SPRINGFIELD i, said, No Bruce,

1237
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 4: springsteen you.

1238
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 3: Dope he, GOES i never heard of the.

1239
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 4: GUY i, SAID i, said we'll put it this, way

1240
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 4: think of him as THE u of rock and.

1241
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 3: Roll he, goes, oh he must be pretty. Good then

1242
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 3: that's true.

1243
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 4: Story AND. U so McHale was friends with the Guitarist,

1244
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 4: laftgrin who's from you guys.

1245
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 2: Right went To Walter johnson WHERE i.

1246
01:02:56,560 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 4: Went maryland, guy and somehow he Knew, kevin And keV

1247
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 4: left us tickets And larry went. Over we saw him

1248
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 4: a game, night and what'd you? Think because they Played

1249
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 4: springsteen Played sunday And monday And keV left us tickets For,

1250
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 4: monday And i'm sorry. Him at the at the, Arena

1251
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 4: larry always say the gym For tuesday's. Games s did

1252
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 4: you go to the?

1253
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 3: Show? YEAH i? Went what'd you?

1254
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 4: THINK i left it in admission or halftime whatever they call,

1255
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 4: it he, said he, Said he's that's not my econ of,

1256
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 4: music he, said but he sweats a. LOT i like that,

1257
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 4: right like he liked the work.

1258
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 2: Ethic you know that means, Well, dan thank you so

1259
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 2: much for joining. Us this is my, mentor this is

1260
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 2: my dear, friend and to do a podcast with me

1261
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 2: and my son is the thrill of. Lifetime believe.

1262
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 3: Me really. Cool thank you, guys thanks for having so.

1263
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 3: Much really appreciate.

1264
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 2: It thank, You Dan.

1265
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 1: Shaughnessy that was So we laughed so hard with. Him

1266
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 1: he is so great and for having such a hard nosed,

1267
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: job you, know being a writer In, boston and he

1268
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 1: takes no crap from. Anybody he is a funny AND

1269
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: i loved being witness of your. Relationship but the thing

1270
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 1: we didn't get when the mics were, on because we had,

1271
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: finished we had broken. Down we shook hands and he, says,

1272
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: hey and let me know when that episode's gonna run

1273
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: Because i'll tweet it. OUT i have ninety Thousand twitter

1274
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: followers and they all hate.

1275
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 3: Me, YEAH.

1276
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: I was dying that we didn't have the mics, on

1277
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 1: but we'd already.

1278
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 2: Packed up at that. Point it's. Okay dan doesn't care

1279
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:28,919
Speaker 2: if you hate, him as long as you read him

1280
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 2: and respect, him and everybody reads him and most, people

1281
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 2: if not, all respect.

1282
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: Him Dan, shaughnessy thank you for being our. Guest next,

1283
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: week we have a major league. Player i'm gonna leave

1284
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 1: it at, That, DAD i want to tease that a

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Speaker 1: current major league pitcher is going to be joining us

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Speaker 1: on the show who not only can throw, really really,

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Speaker 1: hard but also has a incredible. Mind that's All i'm gonna.

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Speaker 2: Say, RIGHT i can honestly, Say, jeff HIS iq is

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Speaker 2: yours and mine. Combined that's nice height.

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Speaker 1: And his arm. Strength we put our fastballs. Together we

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Speaker 1: beat us on.

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Speaker 2: Three, yes all?

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Speaker 1: Good all, right join us next. Week tell a friend

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