WEBVTT - The Penguin 101 - Ozzy Capicola!

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<v Speaker 1>Worrying. Today's episode contain spoilers for the Penguin All Max

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<v Speaker 1>Episode one Little Episode one of the Penguin Watch Yet

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<v Speaker 1>you listen to us? Okay, Hello, my name is Jason

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<v Speaker 1>Concepcion and I'm Mercy Night and welcome back to the

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<v Speaker 1>into your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture. Coming

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<v Speaker 1>to you from My Heart podcast where we bring you

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<v Speaker 1>to do do episodes every week two say Thursday.

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<v Speaker 2>In today's episode in the Airlop, we are heading to

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<v Speaker 2>the grimy streets of Gotham to delve into the Penguin.

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<v Speaker 2>Episode one. Matt Reeves Batman spin off is here, and

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<v Speaker 2>we will be breaking it down. And in the comics corner,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna be asking when does the Penguin actually take

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<v Speaker 2>place in the comic book timeline, Like if you look

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<v Speaker 2>at the Batman comics, what is going on? And when

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<v Speaker 2>is this taking place? And is it actually taking influence

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<v Speaker 2>from any comics at all. We'll be answering all those questions.

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<v Speaker 1>And next up, let's talk about the Penguin.

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<v Speaker 3>Whoop bomba bah bah blah bah bah woke up in Gossam.

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<v Speaker 3>The power in my hands, built by empire, got a

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<v Speaker 3>plan to rule this land. That's right, it's the story

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<v Speaker 3>of Ozzie copp Oswald Coppa Gulu.

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<v Speaker 1>Crazy is Aswald Copaca the Penguiny Beyes Me Penguin Season one,

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<v Speaker 1>episode one, episode one of the limited series that thus

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<v Speaker 1>far gotta say is great.

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<v Speaker 2>It is pretty fantastic, pretty great, open, pretty stunning.

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<v Speaker 1>Directly in the wakes in the wake of the events

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<v Speaker 1>from The Batman.

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<v Speaker 2>It is literally a week after The Batman, and we

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<v Speaker 2>recently found out that The Batman too will take place

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<v Speaker 2>a week after the end of this show. Oh wow, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so Matt Reeves said, this is happening, so quick, quick,

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<v Speaker 2>quick recap of what happened at the end of The Batman.

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<v Speaker 1>The Griddler, as per his plans, destroyed the sea wall

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<v Speaker 1>protecting the city from the waters surrounding it. Much of

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<v Speaker 1>the city, but honestly mostly the kind of lower income districts. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And so it's like a Hurricane Katrina esque situation. And

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<v Speaker 1>tell us what's going on with some of the crime

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<v Speaker 1>figures in the wake of The Batman.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so this is a big This is going back

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<v Speaker 2>to some of the most famous Batman or our stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So you have the Falconies and who we first met

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<v Speaker 2>in Batman Year one, which is by Frank Miller and

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<v Speaker 2>David Mazakelli, which makes a lot of sense because The

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<v Speaker 2>Batman was kind of meant to be a Batman Year

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<v Speaker 2>two era. That is who we met sal for Falcony

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<v Speaker 2>it John Taturo's character, who we learned in the World

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<v Speaker 2>of the Batman was also the father of Catwoman. He

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<v Speaker 2>was killed and now we're in a situation where the

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<v Speaker 2>families are in a mess. Salmrony, who we saw briefly

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned because he'd been put in prison in The Batman,

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<v Speaker 2>is played by Clancy Brown in The Wonderful The Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the Fantastic Clancy Brown and Sammaroni is a really old

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<v Speaker 2>school Batman villain. He was from Detective Comics sixty six.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're talking about the originators of Batman, Bill Finger

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<v Speaker 2>and Bob Cain. It is very classical kind of representations

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<v Speaker 2>of what people thought mobsters were. I think, if I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not mistaken, I'm pretty sure Carma and Falconi was meant

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<v Speaker 2>to be based on don Vito Corleoni from the Godfather.

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<v Speaker 2>And then The Long Halloween, which was the Jeff Low

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<v Speaker 2>Tim Sale comic is when we met the wider Falconi family,

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<v Speaker 2>who play a massive part in this story. And interestingly,

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<v Speaker 2>it is not The Long Halloween. Let's just preface that.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk more about the comics later, but a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people though it might be The Long Halloween. But

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<v Speaker 2>basically where we are now is Maroni's in prison, his

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<v Speaker 2>family wants revenge. Falconi is dead, and his family's trying

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<v Speaker 2>to work out who's going to take over. And guess

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<v Speaker 2>who thinks he should take over? Oh Ozzie Cobbs, Oh

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<v Speaker 2>Ozzie korn Cobbs.

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<v Speaker 1>So you laid out Rosie. With Marconi dead, his son

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<v Speaker 1>Alberto is positioned to take the crown to become the

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<v Speaker 1>leader of the crime family. Only issue is Alberta is

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<v Speaker 1>addicted to drops. He's got a lot of addiction. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a drop head. He's a drop head. And so in

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<v Speaker 1>this landscape with like two crime families kind of jostling

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<v Speaker 1>for power and the city and chaos, the penguin is

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<v Speaker 1>looking to like climb up the ladder. Azzi Cabbaducco, Ozzie Cobb.

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<v Speaker 1>He breaks into his the Old Club to get into

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<v Speaker 1>the contents of a secret safe. He's got in this

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<v Speaker 1>safe a bunch of blackmail files so that he can

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<v Speaker 1>start squeezing some of the local politicians. And he's got

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of jewels.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's clear that this is sal Falcon's. This is

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<v Speaker 2>this is I mean, this is common Falcony's like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is his secret secrets stash.

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<v Speaker 1>So Alberto the Son gets to drop on the penguin,

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<v Speaker 1>but the penguin as he will do clearly throughout the Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>a thing about watching this, It talks himself, I was

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<v Speaker 1>getting these jools for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Wanted to make sure no one else caught him, get

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<v Speaker 2>myself in that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Alberto, I've always been a big supporter you.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean, I understand you and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of pressure everybody you know looking looking at you now,

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<v Speaker 1>and Alberto is like, yeah, it's clear like he's feeling it.

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<v Speaker 1>He also hints that he's got some sort of secret deal,

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<v Speaker 1>secret drug deals, some new experimental drug that can revolutionize

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<v Speaker 1>the drug tradeing Gotham. He's working on that. Now. Oz

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<v Speaker 1>takes the opportunity. Here's that and he's like, oh, that's interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>and he immediately is like, let me get this kid

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<v Speaker 1>talking he brings. He's like, hey, I know you got

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<v Speaker 1>the drop problem, but that means you could drink, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you drink Hey, So they started drinking. One thing leads

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<v Speaker 1>to another use. You know, Alberto is absolutely doing drops, right, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I'm guessing cops just like Oswald gave him the drops,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that's what he wanted. And I want to say,

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<v Speaker 2>I find it so funny that every time in these stories,

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<v Speaker 2>like whether it's in the comics or in the movies

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<v Speaker 2>or in you know, eighties movies like RoboCop two, there

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<v Speaker 2>is something that people find so appealing storytellers about this,

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<v Speaker 2>like a new drug sitting in the streets, a new

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<v Speaker 2>street drug. And that was definitely a big thing in

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<v Speaker 2>The Batman with drops, but we're getting an expansion on

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<v Speaker 2>it here, and I'm very interested to know what Alberto's

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<v Speaker 2>new drug is because it definitely feels like it could

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<v Speaker 2>be some kind of scarecrow.

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<v Speaker 1>I think situation. Yeah, I think it's scarecrow stuff. So

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<v Speaker 1>the kid starts talking more about this drug and he's

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<v Speaker 1>very very enthused about it, about the way it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to revolutionize the drug trade, et cetera. Meanwhile, the penguin

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<v Speaker 1>is playing it as he will again all series, like

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's just a yes man, like he's just one yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>regular thug.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah you got a guy, what a great idea, boss,

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<v Speaker 4>And then he starts talking about, uh, the penguin does

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<v Speaker 4>about his like come up in organized crime, Uh you

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<v Speaker 4>know the hoods that like took him under his wing,

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<v Speaker 4>and how the leaders that he really respected that taught him.

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<v Speaker 1>The ropes were like beloved, not just you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>were killers obviously in criminals, but their their gang members

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<v Speaker 1>like loved them because they would They were beloved and

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<v Speaker 1>people were loyal to him and the kid Alberto takes

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<v Speaker 1>offense to this. He's like, what do you think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like critiquing the way I'm doing things, and then he

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<v Speaker 1>realizes that like the penguin is talking about how he

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<v Speaker 1>wants to be a leader.

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<v Speaker 2>And I am, and how he wants to be remembered.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Alberto, high on drops and drunk, is starts mocking

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<v Speaker 1>the penguin like you fucking you know, get even a cripple, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>forget it. So the penguin just shoots him dead and

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<v Speaker 1>then I love it immediately, just like you know, he's

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<v Speaker 1>he's happy for about forty five seconds. You're very satisfied

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<v Speaker 1>with himself. And then he realizes I just killed the boss,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I just killed the new boss. This is a problem, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So we get the title card, which is great, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we come back and the penguin is he's wrapped

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<v Speaker 1>the body up and he's trying to figure out, like

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<v Speaker 1>how am I gonna dispose his body? Unlocks Alberta's phone,

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<v Speaker 1>so you get more information about the drug deal, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>using his dead face and puts it up to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Love how people do that in shows. Now, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>so grimmest way of whatever. That thing is cool because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have it where you put your face on

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<v Speaker 2>the thing. But yeah, it's so good.

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<v Speaker 1>So he goes outside. When he goes outside, he finds

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<v Speaker 1>these kids breaking into his his plum.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, his purple Mazarati, which first of all, Matt reads,

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<v Speaker 2>this is not grounded, but that is an Italian car.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta get an Italian car, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I wi what the penguin would drive. And I love

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<v Speaker 2>the little not his his costume colors. Also, he is

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<v Speaker 2>going to regret this car so much because believe that

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<v Speaker 2>everybody knows that as Oswald's car throughout the show and

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<v Speaker 2>it is going to get him in so much trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, no, he's got the fulvo too, we'll get so,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the penguin immediately shooting the kids and then

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<v Speaker 1>he catches one of them, Victor Victor Aligar, and the

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<v Speaker 1>kid is obviously terrified, and the penguin is like, basically,

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<v Speaker 1>enlist this kid with a gun to his head, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not literally but like figuredly most of the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of the time, this kid is in fear of

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<v Speaker 1>his life. Enlists this kid in helping him get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of Alberto's body. So he makes Victor drive him around

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<v Speaker 1>to wherever he's going to dispose the body. Meanwhile, he's

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<v Speaker 1>going through Alberto's and he finds the date no information,

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<v Speaker 1>but just like literally a calendaring a playment that says

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<v Speaker 1>like drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like drugs at the Gotham Shipyards. Drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>So okay, now he's got some information. Meanwhile, Oswald is

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<v Speaker 1>like telling the kid he because he looked at the

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<v Speaker 1>kid's license, he knows they're from the same neighborhood basically,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he's talking about the old neighborhood when he

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<v Speaker 1>was growing up in this place.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes.

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<v Speaker 1>They go to this ice cream shopp he used to

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<v Speaker 1>go go to it. You ever get the slushy from

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<v Speaker 1>the ice cream ship? You ether get the slushy? Would

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<v Speaker 1>you ever get the different flavors? You gotta mix up

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<v Speaker 1>the flavors, right that, you gotta mix it.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, but this is very specific because he says a

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<v Speaker 2>slush puppy, which I feel like people don't really understand.

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<v Speaker 2>In England, we don't have a sluppy. We don't have

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<v Speaker 2>a slushy. We just have slush puppies. So I know

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<v Speaker 2>that someone English was writing this because that is slush

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<v Speaker 2>puppies in America, especially on the East Coast. But for

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<v Speaker 2>this specifically be a slush puppy, that's a really specific experience.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was happy to hear this slushpuppy reference. And

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<v Speaker 2>it is true that red and blue together does make

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<v Speaker 2>a nice play of us. I agree with those.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this episode was written by Was it written

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<v Speaker 1>by the showrunner Laura?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was.

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<v Speaker 1>So the kid kind of like very very fractionally loosens up,

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<v Speaker 1>although he's obviously very very afraid. They go to the

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<v Speaker 1>red light district where people know Vicor I let.

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<v Speaker 4>Me die I'll aloud you a lot, don't think, don't

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<v Speaker 4>get it twisted.

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<v Speaker 2>Ozzie's down here.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot, and Victor then notices the that the Ozzie's

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<v Speaker 1>unique gait is the result of braces and a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of malformed foot which Oz needs braces to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>help him walk, and so he's got that very sideways

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<v Speaker 1>kind of wabble wabba walk. He goes to see Eve,

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<v Speaker 1>who is a madam, to set up an alibi in

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<v Speaker 1>case any of the gang one's ask He's like, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I was I was with you, I was with you, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So therefore he can't get fingered for Alberta's murdered.

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<v Speaker 2>Wonderful acting here, Oh there's you learn so much here.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's literally like the briefest scene, and you realize

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<v Speaker 1>that the penguin has probably legitimate feelings for Eve because

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<v Speaker 1>as you know, she's closing the door to say and

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<v Speaker 1>saying goodbye to him, he's kind of like peering around,

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<v Speaker 1>looking around to see if anybody's there, like he's it's

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<v Speaker 1>clear that he has like legitimate feelings for her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it's played by she's played by Calm and

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<v Speaker 2>a Djogo and who and she's just so great, like

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<v Speaker 2>the little intimacies that they put across with this kind

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<v Speaker 2>of open door segment, and it's clear that she's not

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<v Speaker 2>agreeing to be his alibi because she's scared of him.

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<v Speaker 2>She's doing it she cares about him, or there's some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of okay. Actually interestingly as well, her name is

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<v Speaker 2>Eve Carlo. So is this like a clay face notd

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<v Speaker 2>what do we think? I think it is a clay face.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's something interesting there. Yeah, because it's ka

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<v Speaker 2>R l O. It's like very specific, so nice little

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<v Speaker 2>not that to a to a classic Batman villain.

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<v Speaker 1>So they stop for sandwiches Penguin and Vic and then

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<v Speaker 1>they carry the corpse to like a very very ruined

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<v Speaker 1>part of the city and they put it in the

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<v Speaker 1>trunk of a Cadillac, like a nineties Cadillac, and Penguin

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<v Speaker 1>then takes the ring off of Alberto's finger, which is

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<v Speaker 1>like the.

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<v Speaker 2>It used to be Carmine's ring. It's the family ring.

0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:49.320
<v Speaker 2>If you're the boss, you wear it.

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<v Speaker 1>And he got it from the Maronis.

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<v Speaker 2>He stole Carmin and Falcony stole it from sal as

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<v Speaker 2>a kind of fuck you before he got put in prison, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And so he tells and then he's like, so the

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<v Speaker 1>penguins they shut the trunk, and the peng was like, hey, Vic,

0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:10.200
<v Speaker 1>you gotta see the sunrise. Look pretty good? Turn around,

0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:12.520
<v Speaker 1>take a look at that. And it's like a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Vic is uh vickas red and of mice and men.

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<v Speaker 1>He knows. So he's like, hey, hey, come on and

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<v Speaker 1>you see that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can help you.

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<v Speaker 1>I can help you out. And so the Penguin's like, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we give you a try.

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<v Speaker 3>Give you a try.

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<v Speaker 1>Kid on a on a probationary basis, will give you

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<v Speaker 1>a try. They go to the penguin's apartment. Uh Vickxy's

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<v Speaker 1>a family photo, a very interesting family photo in the

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<v Speaker 1>in the penguin's apartment, it's like three young kids. And

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<v Speaker 1>the penguin goes into his bedroom behind like these fucking

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<v Speaker 1>steel pod.

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<v Speaker 2>Doors, like a crazy safe door. It's so over the

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<v Speaker 2>top and I absolutely love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. He puts the ring in the box

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<v Speaker 1>and then we get to see him take off the

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<v Speaker 1>braces on his feet. It's clear that his condition is

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<v Speaker 1>quite painful. Vic drives Penguin to his drops stash house. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>after the flood, a lot of the drug supply of

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<v Speaker 1>Drops got flooded, so Penguin's gang is busy like basically

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<v Speaker 1>cleaning the drops so that they don't waste all the

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<v Speaker 1>supply and that they could use it then to sell.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I like the idea that there's a great

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<v Speaker 2>moment where because the thing is about this show that

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<v Speaker 2>I think is so good and why I think the

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<v Speaker 2>reviews are coming out good and why I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>enjoyable to watch is they write Oswald as a character

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<v Speaker 2>that you can root for, not because he's a good person,

0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:40.680
<v Speaker 2>because he's always getting into a scrape, right, but they

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<v Speaker 2>give you these moments to remind you he's a terrible person,

0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:46.120
<v Speaker 2>like he literally says, like you know, they're like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the drops are ruined, that they're infected.

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<v Speaker 1>The gang brings in an injured member while they're there,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's clear that this kind of Falcony marony rivalry

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<v Speaker 1>is beginning to heat up. Penguin gets a phone call

0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:07.159
<v Speaker 1>from the Falcony shot callers and he has to go

0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:11.840
<v Speaker 1>to a meeting outside of town. Vic wonders if it

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<v Speaker 1>means they know that he killed Alberto, and Penguin says, like,

0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.240
<v Speaker 1>listen and he's telling Vick a lot. He's like, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>right now, nobody really knows how ambitious I am, how

0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:22.159
<v Speaker 1>smart I am. I play it like I'm just a

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<v Speaker 1>quite like a yes man. And then when I leave,

0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:28.520
<v Speaker 1>I do my own thing. They go up to this mansion.

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<v Speaker 1>It's up in Bristol Township and it's fucking gorgeous. Now

0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:35.480
<v Speaker 1>the penguin when he gets out again this wonderful writing

0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:38.080
<v Speaker 1>and acting where the penguin gets out and it's clear

0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:42.080
<v Speaker 1>he's worried that he's out of there, but he also

0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:44.560
<v Speaker 1>is covering it up with like jokes, kid, in case

0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:47.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't come out, Yeah, I'm coming out. What are

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<v Speaker 1>you talking about? YEA penguin sits with Johnny vet who's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like the underboss with Alberto, who knows where

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<v Speaker 1>Alberto is. So Johnny Betty is kind of like the

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<v Speaker 1>guy vd's guy Muos tells penguin, there's so many guys

0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:07.119
<v Speaker 1>and there's so many guys. He tells a penguin that, listen,

0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:10.679
<v Speaker 1>your little drop operation that we just saw, we're moving it.

0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:12.840
<v Speaker 1>We're taking it from you, we're moving it out of

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<v Speaker 1>your territory, and we're giving it this so shut it down,

0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:17.359
<v Speaker 1>shut it down, And Penguin's like, what the fuck you know,

0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:21.760
<v Speaker 1>we're first of all, we're doing great work, like scavenging

0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:27.240
<v Speaker 1>these these distressed drops that we're going to be able

0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:29.679
<v Speaker 1>to sell, like seventy percent of this stuff is going

0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:33.120
<v Speaker 1>to be sellable. And VID says like, shut up, you're

0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:35.920
<v Speaker 1>not the boss. The last thing we need is heat

0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:39.040
<v Speaker 1>from the cops or a gang war with the with

0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:42.359
<v Speaker 1>the Maronis. Now get the fuck out. And so then

0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:44.200
<v Speaker 1>the penguin says, well, I'm going to make my pitch

0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.040
<v Speaker 1>with this this thing I heard from Alberty says, hey,

0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:50.520
<v Speaker 1>I've got a deal that you know, it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>very uh, you know, under the table right now. It's

0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:57.800
<v Speaker 1>preliminary but promising. It's this experimental drug, the whole thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, no risk from you guys, like, I'll

0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:06.000
<v Speaker 1>take all the risk, but yeah. Sophia Carmine Falcone's daughter

0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:11.359
<v Speaker 1>recently released from Arkham because of a murder spree. She

0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:17.160
<v Speaker 1>apparently went on he's listening and she asks the penguin

0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:20.040
<v Speaker 1>straight out in front of VD and Melos, like do

0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:24.159
<v Speaker 1>you know where Alberto is? And Vd's like, hey, Sophia,

0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:26.399
<v Speaker 1>don't worry about it. Get out of here Oz, and

0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:29.480
<v Speaker 1>he gives Oz forty eight hours to figure out if

0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:32.480
<v Speaker 1>his drug deal is anything. Sofia comes out of the

0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:35.920
<v Speaker 1>house and asks the penguin again, where's Alberto? And penguinsays, uh,

0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:39.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, Alberto's the boss. Now, he's got a lot

0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:41.399
<v Speaker 1>of meetings, he's doing stuff. You know, what are you

0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:46.359
<v Speaker 1>talking about. Sofia's like, well, let's get lunch right now

0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:49.719
<v Speaker 1>and just catch up. Okay. So they go to this

0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:53.040
<v Speaker 1>very hoity toy restaurant and Sofia is eating like she

0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:53.879
<v Speaker 1>hasn't seen food.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude. It's this is such a good character bit that

0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:00.400
<v Speaker 2>they do with that. Well, like she's been an kham

0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:03.160
<v Speaker 2>she ain't a nice food for a long time.

0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:04.879
<v Speaker 1>The wonderful Kristin Migliatti.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I love Kristin Milioti so much. They were so

0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:09.600
<v Speaker 2>lucky to get her for this role. She's so fucking

0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:13.199
<v Speaker 2>good and I love how she is just shoveling with

0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:18.440
<v Speaker 2>her hands. She's just shoving this food and Martini's it's

0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:20.159
<v Speaker 2>so good, and she's like, give me another one. You know,

0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:21.480
<v Speaker 2>she doesn't give a fuck.

0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:25.399
<v Speaker 1>Now. The other customers are nervous because you know they

0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:30.160
<v Speaker 1>are clearly in the presence of the famously psychotic killer

0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:35.000
<v Speaker 1>named the Hangman, who we don't quite know what her

0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:38.200
<v Speaker 1>backstory was and how it comports with the Hangman's backstort.

0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:39.919
<v Speaker 1>But the Hangman was like a cop killer.

0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:44.240
<v Speaker 2>Well from from the comics, which we all get into later,

0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:48.280
<v Speaker 2>there is some interesting crossover here that we can talk about,

0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:51.800
<v Speaker 2>and it tells us something about when this is kind

0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:55.879
<v Speaker 2>of set. But yeah, they are. They are definitely perceiving

0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:59.840
<v Speaker 2>her as if she is a terrifying threat and she'd

0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:02.120
<v Speaker 2>cavo she or she wants to knows where's her brother?

0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:08.280
<v Speaker 1>She says she doesn't blame the Penguin for her father's death.

0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:12.120
<v Speaker 1>And she says that, you know, last I heard from

0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:16.639
<v Speaker 1>my brother he was going to your club. Uh. And

0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:22.040
<v Speaker 1>she says, also, here's an interesting thing. Alberto was working

0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:25.000
<v Speaker 1>on a drug deal. It sounds very similar to the

0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:28.600
<v Speaker 1>one you pitched with me, So how do you know

0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:33.760
<v Speaker 1>about it? And then Penguin once again is slippery Penguin guy.

0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:34.800
<v Speaker 2>He's so good at this.

0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:39.880
<v Speaker 1>He's like, oh, whoa that that Alberto? He's done it again.

0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:42.240
<v Speaker 1>He didn't tell me about you either?

0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:48.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and also as well, like I think there's

0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:52.200
<v Speaker 2>something really interesting here because it's clear that even though

0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:57.560
<v Speaker 2>Alberto is the kind of wasteman like of the family,

0:21:57.640 --> 0:22:00.439
<v Speaker 2>he's not doing anything. He's a drop addict, he is

0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:03.480
<v Speaker 2>not trustworthy. It's clear that him and Sofia have like

0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:08.240
<v Speaker 2>a very deep connection, and that by killing him, Penguin

0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:10.800
<v Speaker 2>has obviously put himself on like a collision course with her.

0:22:10.840 --> 0:22:13.480
<v Speaker 1>She she clearly loved her brother, and she talks about it,

0:22:13.520 --> 0:22:15.200
<v Speaker 1>and she basically says, listen.

0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:17.439
<v Speaker 2>When I was in Arkham, who came to see me?

0:22:17.960 --> 0:22:20.879
<v Speaker 1>Him? That's it. Every week he came to see me.

0:22:22.480 --> 0:22:24.640
<v Speaker 1>And then Pengoin's like, well, you know you might not

0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:28.720
<v Speaker 1>know listen, your brother because you were incarcerated for vicious,

0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:33.359
<v Speaker 1>vicious murders. Your brother's a drug addict. He's on drops,

0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:35.720
<v Speaker 1>so he might be able to dropbender right now. You know,

0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:38.800
<v Speaker 1>he's on the whole thing, gambling, drops, sex, the whole thing.

0:22:38.920 --> 0:22:40.800
<v Speaker 2>All of it, everything bad that could be taken him

0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:41.320
<v Speaker 2>out of action.

0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:44.880
<v Speaker 1>He's there and he says, in any way, I wasn't

0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:48.480
<v Speaker 1>even at my club yesterday. I was with Eve, all right,

0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:52.960
<v Speaker 1>my girlfriend. And Sophia is still suspicious, but she's a

0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:55.200
<v Speaker 1>little thrown off now and she tells Oz that listen,

0:22:56.000 --> 0:22:58.960
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what Oz. Nobody else sees it, but

0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:04.800
<v Speaker 1>I see that you're You're a capable, smart, ambitious guy.

0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:09.080
<v Speaker 2>She's like, everyone else underestimates here, that's right me, And

0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:10.680
<v Speaker 2>I like, oh, that's so scary.

0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:15.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So now OZ is very very concerned, and we're

0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:18.920
<v Speaker 1>concerned here as well, that they might shut us down

0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:21.879
<v Speaker 1>unless you get a word from our sponsors. In your ears,

0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:22.600
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna.

0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:38.399
<v Speaker 2>And we're back.

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<v Speaker 1>We're back. Oz and Vic take the train, which looks

0:23:43.080 --> 0:23:46.639
<v Speaker 1>like either the F or the B or the maybe

0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:50.040
<v Speaker 1>the Q train uh in New York City out to

0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:55.280
<v Speaker 1>the suburbs, not the suburbs, but the exerps. And they

0:23:55.280 --> 0:23:59.400
<v Speaker 1>go to this kind of train station. They get an Evolvo,

0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:03.240
<v Speaker 1>a battery up like late eighties Volvo, and they go

0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:06.280
<v Speaker 1>to a house and I was like, I've never taken

0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:09.000
<v Speaker 1>anybody here before, so yeah, take his shoes off the thing,

0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:12.240
<v Speaker 1>let's be quiet. And it's his mom's house and he

0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:15.920
<v Speaker 1>gives her one of those necklaces that he got from

0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:19.040
<v Speaker 1>the safe and he grabs like a big duffel bag

0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:20.680
<v Speaker 1>of cash and he tells mom, we're getting out of

0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:23.400
<v Speaker 1>town right now, because he's concerned that Sophia is owed

0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:27.119
<v Speaker 1>to him. He also we realize that his mom is

0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:32.119
<v Speaker 1>on medication for something dementia, Like.

0:24:32.160 --> 0:24:34.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it seems like she's kind of a bit out

0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:37.560
<v Speaker 2>of it. She doesn't necessarily know what's going on. She

0:24:37.600 --> 0:24:39.639
<v Speaker 2>hasn't necessarily been taken up pills.

0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:43.560
<v Speaker 1>So he makes her take her pills, which he realizes

0:24:43.600 --> 0:24:46.680
<v Speaker 1>she hasn't taken, and he introduces Vic, saying, this is

0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:50.400
<v Speaker 1>a kid that's gonna help me out. Mom knows her son,

0:24:50.440 --> 0:24:52.199
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, you're not just here to give me

0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:55.320
<v Speaker 1>a necklace and say we're going at getting out of town.

0:24:55.400 --> 0:24:57.879
<v Speaker 1>Something's happened. And he's like, yeah, I I gotta go

0:24:57.920 --> 0:25:01.400
<v Speaker 1>on the run. I killed Alberto. She's like, oh my boy,

0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:03.520
<v Speaker 1>I love you so much. I'm so proud of you.

0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:06.720
<v Speaker 1>You kill them, this, this, and now, what are you

0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:09.640
<v Speaker 1>gonna do? You're gonna run like a pussy? Yeah, a pussy.

0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:12.439
<v Speaker 2>I know. No. I have to say this is like,

0:25:13.520 --> 0:25:18.720
<v Speaker 2>this is legit, like another bit of unbelievable character work,

0:25:18.960 --> 0:25:22.639
<v Speaker 2>because in this moment you learn so much. It's clear

0:25:22.680 --> 0:25:27.840
<v Speaker 2>that she's probably been abusive. It's clear that she's probably deeply,

0:25:28.040 --> 0:25:31.119
<v Speaker 2>deeply overinvolved in her son's life in a way that

0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:33.480
<v Speaker 2>could even be deemed as like creepy. It's clear that

0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:35.560
<v Speaker 2>he loves her a lot and everything he does for her,

0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:38.240
<v Speaker 2>everything he does is kind of under this guise of

0:25:38.320 --> 0:25:41.560
<v Speaker 2>being for her. We also get this mention of his brothers.

0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:46.239
<v Speaker 2>Where are they? We don't know? And I love so

0:25:46.480 --> 0:25:49.200
<v Speaker 2>much that we learn in this moment kind of everything

0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:52.119
<v Speaker 2>about him. Because he is ready to run smart choice

0:25:52.280 --> 0:25:55.520
<v Speaker 2>should have done it, but she managed to essentially nag

0:25:55.640 --> 0:25:57.879
<v Speaker 2>him into not doing it. She's like, don't be a pussy.

0:25:57.920 --> 0:26:00.760
<v Speaker 2>She's like, everything that you have ever done is leading

0:26:00.840 --> 0:26:03.840
<v Speaker 2>up to this, and now you can take it. Like

0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:05.760
<v Speaker 2>you've done the thing you need to do and you

0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:10.600
<v Speaker 2>can take the city. And also she wants a better life.

0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:13.520
<v Speaker 2>She's living in some tiny little house, like it looks

0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:17.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's classic movie. I was gonna say, I

0:26:17.280 --> 0:26:19.560
<v Speaker 2>was gonna say, this is my favorite thing. Is like

0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:21.919
<v Speaker 2>every time you see a house and they're like this

0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:24.280
<v Speaker 2>is where a poor person lives, I'm like, this house.

0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:25.080
<v Speaker 1>Looks pretty good.

0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:27.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it looks pretty good to me. So she's living

0:26:27.560 --> 0:26:30.239
<v Speaker 2>in a normal person house, but she wants more. She's like,

0:26:30.520 --> 0:26:32.919
<v Speaker 2>I got it. We gotta get what we deserve. You know,

0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:36.159
<v Speaker 2>you can tell she's dreaming of that big kind of

0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:39.080
<v Speaker 2>McMansion life that they're living. She wants to be living

0:26:39.359 --> 0:26:42.000
<v Speaker 2>in in Long Island, she wants to be living in Montalk.

0:26:42.160 --> 0:26:45.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, she's she's got plans. And the funniest thing

0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:48.000
<v Speaker 2>is Vick is just watching it all. Yeah, He's like,

0:26:48.080 --> 0:26:53.000
<v Speaker 2>holy shit, this is crazy.

0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:56.760
<v Speaker 1>Bro. Later, the Penguin and visit on the couch and

0:26:56.800 --> 0:27:02.800
<v Speaker 1>they watcha a worth the iconic worthing nineteen Gilda. Oz

0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:06.520
<v Speaker 1>then says, you know, as they're driving back to the

0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:08.720
<v Speaker 1>trade stations, like, Vicka, you up to this what we

0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:11.320
<v Speaker 1>need to do? Like it's clear that he shared a

0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:15.600
<v Speaker 1>plan with Vic, which we don't. You don't really realize

0:27:15.680 --> 0:27:19.000
<v Speaker 1>until the end that in the intervening time between them

0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:22.040
<v Speaker 1>watching Gilda and when we catch back up with them here.

0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:23.600
<v Speaker 2>They've been doing a lot of schemen.

0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:26.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Oz is laid out a plan. Vick is like,

0:27:26.160 --> 0:27:29.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure. Then Penguin is like, listen, this is

0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:31.320
<v Speaker 1>you know. It gives him the big game speech, and

0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:33.679
<v Speaker 1>Vick is like, okay, you can count on me. So

0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:37.080
<v Speaker 1>the Penguin says, okay, take some time off. He take

0:27:37.080 --> 0:27:38.960
<v Speaker 1>the Volvo but keep your phone on because I'm gonna

0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:42.400
<v Speaker 1>need you. Oz then goes to Blackgate to visit sal Maroni.

0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Another fantastic scene, like great fantastic man, Colin, I feel

0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:54.720
<v Speaker 2>like one in the Batman movie. I was sure the

0:27:54.760 --> 0:27:56.920
<v Speaker 2>whole time. I was, like, the reason that I enjoy

0:27:57.000 --> 0:27:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Colin Farrell so much, and this is because he's not

0:27:58.920 --> 0:28:00.919
<v Speaker 2>really in the movie alone, but when you see him,

0:28:00.920 --> 0:28:03.439
<v Speaker 2>he's so impactful, but it would be too obvious in

0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:06.280
<v Speaker 2>the suit when if you watched him for too long incorrect.

0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:08.600
<v Speaker 2>I think he loses himself and this this.

0:28:08.680 --> 0:28:10.280
<v Speaker 1>Suit does you get.

0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:13.560
<v Speaker 2>You forget it's him, and in this scene specifically where

0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:19.320
<v Speaker 2>it's him versus Clancy Brown's Salvator Maroney, who just fucking

0:28:19.480 --> 0:28:22.680
<v Speaker 2>hates him so much, and there is just so much

0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:28.919
<v Speaker 2>seething fury that Oz would even dean to step into

0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:31.480
<v Speaker 2>Blackgate and kind of talk to him. It's so good.

0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:36.880
<v Speaker 1>So let me just first say that Gotham, you need

0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:42.560
<v Speaker 1>to like record all convers between mob figures, organized crime

0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:45.720
<v Speaker 1>figures and whoever visits him, because this is fucking crazy.

0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:50.720
<v Speaker 1>Let them meeted person with nobody around and no recording.

0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:54.640
<v Speaker 2>You know, the implication is that like it's very corrupt

0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:57.240
<v Speaker 2>at Blackgate. And the difference, if you're wondering, so the

0:28:57.320 --> 0:29:01.680
<v Speaker 2>difference between Blackgate and ARC is that Blackgate was introduced

0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:04.320
<v Speaker 2>in like the nineties and Detective Comics six twenty nine,

0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:08.480
<v Speaker 2>and it's for non insane criminals. That's the criminal. This

0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:12.360
<v Speaker 2>is just like, this is just your standard criminal. And

0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:14.360
<v Speaker 2>the black Bes was like one of the other families

0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:17.200
<v Speaker 2>in Arkham. So yeah, ain't Gotham. So yeah, this is

0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:19.480
<v Speaker 2>a very funny. But you're so right, like why are

0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:22.000
<v Speaker 2>they not recording this? Like, guys, I know that the

0:29:22.360 --> 0:29:24.360
<v Speaker 2>I know they're probably all under Sal's thumb.

0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:26.520
<v Speaker 1>You can put everybody away forever.

0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:31.080
<v Speaker 2>Bit just like one microphone underneath like put one microphone

0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:32.760
<v Speaker 2>underneath the table, my guys.

0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 1>So as pitches his services to the Maroney family against

0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:41.640
<v Speaker 1>the Falconies, he says, listen, here's some info for you.

0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:45.840
<v Speaker 1>Falconi are gonna move my drop business out of the city,

0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:48.000
<v Speaker 1>and he says, but I'll tell you what. We got

0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:51.560
<v Speaker 1>a couple of days, I will tell you where the

0:29:51.600 --> 0:29:54.479
<v Speaker 1>factory is. You take it right, I'll pretend like, oh

0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:58.000
<v Speaker 1>my god, there we've been raided by the Ronis. Oh oh,

0:29:58.040 --> 0:30:00.920
<v Speaker 1>this is a great opportunity for you to take revenge

0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:05.560
<v Speaker 1>is like, now you crossed me too many times.

0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:07.960
<v Speaker 2>He's like, bro, do you remember all these times that

0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:10.320
<v Speaker 2>you're like fucking heeled on me and stop me in

0:30:10.360 --> 0:30:13.440
<v Speaker 2>the bag and like betrayed me. Like I'm fucking sick

0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:13.800
<v Speaker 2>of you.

0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:16.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm sick of you. I don't trust you. And the

0:30:16.600 --> 0:30:21.800
<v Speaker 1>PEngs like but you sleep on it, and the Maronie's like,

0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:23.880
<v Speaker 1>fuck off, just get the fuck out of here. But

0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:29.120
<v Speaker 1>then I almost forget and he goes into his pocket

0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:33.440
<v Speaker 1>and he takes out the ring that Fulcny took from Maroni,

0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:37.760
<v Speaker 1>and Maroney's like, oh my god. He's like, clearly what

0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:40.880
<v Speaker 1>the moved in some way to get the ring back.

0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:44.400
<v Speaker 1>So Oz is then driving around. He's driving back to

0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:46.720
<v Speaker 1>wherever he's gonna. He's going back to his uh I

0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:50.480
<v Speaker 1>think his club, and he's calling VIC but he's it

0:30:50.560 --> 0:30:52.920
<v Speaker 1>goes straight to voicemail, which is a problem. And then

0:30:52.920 --> 0:30:54.560
<v Speaker 1>as he pulls up in front of his club, he

0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:57.440
<v Speaker 1>sees Sophia and her Hood's waiting for him the Falcony

0:30:57.480 --> 0:31:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Hoods car chase. He's you know, racing away from them.

0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:06.640
<v Speaker 2>In his cop car, which is how Sophia catches him.

0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Then animal Vic, still not picking up the penguin, does

0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:16.800
<v Speaker 1>this very cute kind of like uh pump fake maneuver

0:31:16.840 --> 0:31:18.800
<v Speaker 1>where he pulls up in front of like a FEMA

0:31:18.840 --> 0:31:21.719
<v Speaker 1>camp and then leaves the door the driver's side door

0:31:21.760 --> 0:31:23.720
<v Speaker 1>open like he fled on foot, but really he was

0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:25.840
<v Speaker 1>hiding in the trunk. And when he gets out, one

0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:28.720
<v Speaker 1>of the falcony hoods comes and tries to stop him,

0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:32.320
<v Speaker 1>but he kills the guy. But then Sophia's guys eventually

0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:34.720
<v Speaker 1>get a hold of him. They take him back upstate

0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:37.480
<v Speaker 1>to the mansion and they begin to torture him in

0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:39.600
<v Speaker 1>the greenhouse. They got a strip nude and this is

0:31:39.600 --> 0:31:41.520
<v Speaker 1>where you get a great look at the floor back.

0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:43.240
<v Speaker 1>This suit is amazing.

0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:46.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and also like this guy higher and ever you

0:31:46.720 --> 0:31:49.080
<v Speaker 2>understand why call it farrelheighten to be in that suit?

0:31:49.280 --> 0:31:52.360
<v Speaker 2>I understand, my friend, It's fine. Also, they have him

0:31:52.400 --> 0:31:56.160
<v Speaker 2>like they are gone. You know, he's in the He's

0:31:56.160 --> 0:31:58.080
<v Speaker 2>in the greenhouse of death. Let's put it that way.

0:31:58.120 --> 0:32:00.800
<v Speaker 2>Like this is one of those scenes like you're watching

0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:03.720
<v Speaker 2>Sore and you know the trap is about to come out,

0:32:03.760 --> 0:32:05.680
<v Speaker 2>like you know you're going to see some bad stuff.

0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:09.920
<v Speaker 2>So the fact that Oswald manages to even like not

0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:13.200
<v Speaker 2>just pass out from fear tells you a lot about him.

0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:17.640
<v Speaker 1>So they're torturing him. She wants to know what Alberto is.

0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:19.920
<v Speaker 1>She's telling him how much he loves her brother, how

0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:21.680
<v Speaker 1>he was the only one that came to see her,

0:32:22.480 --> 0:32:26.280
<v Speaker 1>and then she produces one of the kids that try

0:32:26.320 --> 0:32:30.160
<v Speaker 1>to as well, it's very interesting you say you weren't

0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:32.600
<v Speaker 1>at your club because you were shooting at these kids

0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:34.960
<v Speaker 1>in back of your club on the very night that

0:32:35.000 --> 0:32:38.440
<v Speaker 1>my brother disappeared. So what about that? Is this kid lying?

0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:40.640
<v Speaker 1>And Penguins like, yeah, the kid's fucking lying. So she

0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:41.600
<v Speaker 1>shoots the kid.

0:32:41.960 --> 0:32:42.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's so.

0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:46.080
<v Speaker 1>And this is a great is like thrilled is like

0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:49.040
<v Speaker 1>you could see the Hangman energy ming out of her.

0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:54.080
<v Speaker 2>And also as well, this is a great thing to

0:32:54.160 --> 0:32:56.960
<v Speaker 2>show just to Ozz because he is willing to have

0:32:57.000 --> 0:33:00.720
<v Speaker 2>an innocent kid just killed. Yeah, it means he can

0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:02.800
<v Speaker 2>get out of it. And this is a very brutal

0:33:02.840 --> 0:33:04.920
<v Speaker 2>moment and it kind of foreshadows where the show is

0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:05.360
<v Speaker 2>going to go.

0:33:06.320 --> 0:33:09.480
<v Speaker 1>So then they really step up the torture. They take

0:33:09.600 --> 0:33:13.960
<v Speaker 1>like a very sharp like cable like a wire, and

0:33:13.960 --> 0:33:15.880
<v Speaker 1>they put it under his armpit and they're beginning to

0:33:15.920 --> 0:33:20.000
<v Speaker 1>cut his arm off, and again all the time asking

0:33:20.280 --> 0:33:23.160
<v Speaker 1>where is my brother? And then there's a car crash outside.

0:33:23.200 --> 0:33:24.760
<v Speaker 1>You go out there and you see that it's the

0:33:24.800 --> 0:33:29.480
<v Speaker 1>caddy they put Alberto in. Sofia goes. She sees there's

0:33:29.520 --> 0:33:31.719
<v Speaker 1>no driver. There's like a cinder block on the accelerator,

0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:34.080
<v Speaker 1>and she looks in the trunk and there's Alberto and

0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:38.440
<v Speaker 1>this pinky with the ring is cut off. And so

0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:40.200
<v Speaker 1>it's clear now the Maroney's are going to get the

0:33:40.240 --> 0:33:43.360
<v Speaker 1>blame for this, and it says payback.

0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:47.440
<v Speaker 2>On the inside of the He's got an alibi because

0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:49.640
<v Speaker 2>you're about to chop his arm off, that's right.

0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:53.160
<v Speaker 1>So so they let the They let Oz go and

0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:55.800
<v Speaker 1>next thing, you know, where with Oz and Vic at

0:33:55.800 --> 0:34:00.200
<v Speaker 1>their old neighborhood getting slushies from this slushies and we

0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:03.360
<v Speaker 1>realized this was all his plan. He had set this

0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:05.680
<v Speaker 1>whole thing up to begin the gang war between the

0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:10.359
<v Speaker 1>and the Maronis. And he's celebrating with Vic over these

0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:16.440
<v Speaker 1>slushies and he's asking Vic, like, well, now, something, you

0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:19.360
<v Speaker 1>only cut off the pinky, he said, were he was

0:34:19.400 --> 0:34:21.719
<v Speaker 1>gonna cut off the head And Vick is like basically

0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:24.839
<v Speaker 1>just says that couldn't. I couldn't do it.

0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:28.759
<v Speaker 2>He's my favorite thing. My favorite thing is he's like

0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:31.080
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I was thinking, like should I start

0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:32.759
<v Speaker 2>the frump? And then I was worried I'd get stuck

0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:34.680
<v Speaker 2>on the track here. But then if I started the

0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:37.240
<v Speaker 2>back like I would get like stuck on the spine.

0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:39.160
<v Speaker 2>And As is looking at him like, what the fuck

0:34:39.160 --> 0:34:43.200
<v Speaker 2>are you talking about? But you can tell now that

0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:47.640
<v Speaker 2>there is a this is a new little duo, like

0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:49.239
<v Speaker 2>for now.

0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:50.600
<v Speaker 1>First Henchi Henchy number one.

0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Fast, Henchy number one. It's Vic And obviously now the

0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:58.719
<v Speaker 2>Maronis will get blamed, so on motion.

0:34:58.640 --> 0:35:01.600
<v Speaker 1>That's right, Maroney's gonna be where in the ring around Blackgate,

0:35:01.840 --> 0:35:05.000
<v Speaker 1>and uh, it's very clear that this gang war is

0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:08.040
<v Speaker 1>going to pop off. And Oz tells Vic, listen this

0:35:08.080 --> 0:35:11.160
<v Speaker 1>new drug thing. I want you in with me. And

0:35:11.200 --> 0:35:14.359
<v Speaker 1>then and then they mix the flavors. It's pretty good.

0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:17.560
<v Speaker 1>You mix the flavors. Slushy is good. And we're on

0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:20.480
<v Speaker 1>to episode two. Well, this is a this is a

0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:21.319
<v Speaker 1>really fun show.

0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:26.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm this is a truly fantastic opening episode, Like and

0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:30.000
<v Speaker 2>look we are we are obviously the audience for this

0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:33.160
<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff you if you are listening to this.

0:35:33.239 --> 0:35:36.040
<v Speaker 2>But I will say I believe this is the kind

0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:39.000
<v Speaker 2>of show you can show someone who doesn't know Batman,

0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:43.240
<v Speaker 2>who doesn't care about these movies, and who can find

0:35:43.360 --> 0:35:46.279
<v Speaker 2>something to love it. It currently stands at ninety three

0:35:46.400 --> 0:35:50.759
<v Speaker 2>percent on Rotten Tomatoes, and I think that that is

0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:55.160
<v Speaker 2>a very good representation of the fact that a lot

0:35:55.200 --> 0:35:59.640
<v Speaker 2>of people, whether you're from The Evening Standard or Empire

0:35:59.640 --> 0:36:05.560
<v Speaker 2>Magazin or Indie Wire, have found something in this that

0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:11.960
<v Speaker 2>is deeply worthwhile and deeply transformative. That's really the word

0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:15.040
<v Speaker 2>that all of these reviews say, you know this is

0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:17.359
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is from the Evening Standard. It says

0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:20.040
<v Speaker 2>this is a five star series that Mafia film fans

0:36:20.080 --> 0:36:23.520
<v Speaker 2>will adore. It's very much an Italian American gangster penguin,

0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:27.200
<v Speaker 2>with Farrell finding the sweetest of evil spots between Tony

0:36:27.200 --> 0:36:30.600
<v Speaker 2>soprano and de Niro's vo Corleone. So I mean that's

0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:35.280
<v Speaker 2>it's pretty big compliments. I like this one from Empire

0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:37.480
<v Speaker 2>to where they say a spinoff that makes this return

0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:41.680
<v Speaker 2>to Gotham feel both necessary and earned. Totally agree that's

0:36:41.719 --> 0:36:44.560
<v Speaker 2>the thing. This makes you one. I love the world

0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:47.279
<v Speaker 2>of the Batman. I mean, in rewatching it, Jason, we

0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:49.360
<v Speaker 2>were both kind of struck, Like you texted me and

0:36:49.360 --> 0:36:51.600
<v Speaker 2>you were like, this movie is underrated, and I was like,

0:36:52.080 --> 0:36:54.680
<v Speaker 2>it is underrated because even though we're talking about how

0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:57.600
<v Speaker 2>like it came out and we were like, this is great,

0:36:57.640 --> 0:36:59.239
<v Speaker 2>we love it, and a lot of people were like

0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:01.000
<v Speaker 2>this is great, and it made a ton of money.

0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:04.000
<v Speaker 2>But because of the world and the pandemic and all

0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:06.520
<v Speaker 2>these other things and the stripes, it almost feels like

0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 2>it came and it went. But it actually really like

0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:15.080
<v Speaker 2>a deeply fantastic movie, and I'm very excited to see

0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:19.040
<v Speaker 2>it expand into this new format where hopefully it will

0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:23.040
<v Speaker 2>get people to revisit that film and see how great

0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:25.920
<v Speaker 2>it was. And I also like, I saw James Gunn today.

0:37:25.960 --> 0:37:28.680
<v Speaker 2>He was sharing good reviews of the show even though

0:37:28.719 --> 0:37:31.440
<v Speaker 2>it's in this elseworld's kind of space, not in the

0:37:31.760 --> 0:37:34.360
<v Speaker 2>you know what, we're calling the gun averse. So I'm

0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:37.520
<v Speaker 2>just really happy. I thought this first episode is so good,

0:37:37.840 --> 0:37:40.880
<v Speaker 2>and I will say positive something. You know, I'm not

0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:43.399
<v Speaker 2>gonna obviously, I'm not going to say anything other than

0:37:43.400 --> 0:37:45.640
<v Speaker 2>this about it, but I will say the second episode

0:37:45.680 --> 0:37:48.040
<v Speaker 2>is also better. We were lucky enough to watch it.

0:37:48.080 --> 0:37:50.960
<v Speaker 2>So for me, I was just like unbelievable, Like it

0:37:51.480 --> 0:37:54.560
<v Speaker 2>just worked on every level. The vibe, the tone, Sophia

0:37:54.600 --> 0:38:00.799
<v Speaker 2>Falcone's outfits stunning, immaculate. Yeah, it's it's so so good.

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<v Speaker 1>Well up next, we're going to go to the comics corner. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to go in the comics corner to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about some of the inspiration that we see maybe for

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<v Speaker 1>the Penguin, and then in the comic storylines of where

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<v Speaker 1>this might take place.

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<v Speaker 2>Where does it take place?

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Comics Corner. Were sitting. We're sitting in the

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<v Speaker 1>flooded confines of Comics Quarter as the floodwaters from the

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<v Speaker 1>Riddler attack are slowly drained away, and we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about like where when in comics continuity and from

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<v Speaker 1>what comics the Penguin might take its inspiration. Rosie, what

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<v Speaker 1>are you seeing in this show?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? So, I think the biggest thing is that when

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<v Speaker 2>we first watched, when we first watched the Batman, which

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of set in this almost like year two

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<v Speaker 2>era is what we call it. That's what Matt Reeves

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<v Speaker 2>was calling it. It's kind of Batman's been in Gotham,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's not fully established. A lot of people definitely

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<v Speaker 2>saw the potential for this series, especially as a crime series,

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<v Speaker 2>to adapt The Long Halloween by Jeff Lobe and Tim Sale,

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<v Speaker 2>which is where we first met the wider Falcone family,

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<v Speaker 2>like Sophia and Alberto and in that really great comic.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to give you a spoiler warning if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to go and read it without a spoiler,

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<v Speaker 2>because it really is great. But it's actually revealed that

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<v Speaker 2>the identity of the Holiday killer who kills people around holidays,

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<v Speaker 2>classic kind of Batman Shenanigans, it's actually Alberto Falcone, who

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<v Speaker 2>was basically a mass murderer who's kind of been indiscriminately

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<v Speaker 2>killing many, many people in Gotham under this guys. So interestingly,

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<v Speaker 2>though we of me a version of Alberto here that's

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<v Speaker 2>completely different. And the most interesting thing is that in

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<v Speaker 2>the sequel to The Long Halloween, which is called Batman

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<v Speaker 2>Dark Victory, which is kind of an underread story, we

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<v Speaker 2>learn that Sophia is this serial killer known as the Hangman, who,

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<v Speaker 2>as you know Jason pointed out, killed many members of

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<v Speaker 2>the Gotham Police Department in this extraordinarily effective cop killer

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<v Speaker 2>and very connected to kind of a Harvey Dent two

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<v Speaker 2>face storyline, and interestingly, it is very It was very

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<v Speaker 2>shocking to me, Like I already pitched an article where

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, wait a minute, you're coming in after

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<v Speaker 2>Dark Victory. You're essentially like coming in post the two

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<v Speaker 2>biggest storylines. And if you're looking at the comment but Kenon,

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<v Speaker 2>you would say, well, so you're telling me those have

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<v Speaker 2>already happened, Like Long Halloween's already clear.

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<v Speaker 1>That that is not the case.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's the case. By This is my

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<v Speaker 2>this is my gut check on what they're gonna do,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've only this at this point. I've only seen

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<v Speaker 2>the first two episodes, so this is my guess. I

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<v Speaker 2>think where this is going is that they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>combine the Long Halloween murders and the Hangman murders, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's gonna be some kind of thing where either Sophia

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<v Speaker 2>took the fall for a male member of her family,

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<v Speaker 2>or that she was in line with one of the

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<v Speaker 2>Falconies and they were both doing the killings. I think

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<v Speaker 2>there's gonna be some kind of combined version of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was very interesting to me that they chose

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<v Speaker 2>to set it after those two big comic book storylines.

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<v Speaker 2>And also I think it's a really cool way to

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<v Speaker 2>basically say, hey, we're going to do our own thing,

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<v Speaker 2>which is what Matt Reeves loves to do, even though

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<v Speaker 2>he does cherry pick moments from the comics. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we're looking at a kind of dark Victory esque era.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I thought this was so interesting, especially just

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<v Speaker 2>because the Long Halloween is so kind of iconic. It

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<v Speaker 2>would have been interesting. And obviously one of the safest

0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:15.359
<v Speaker 2>bets on how to get people hooked into a TV

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<v Speaker 2>show is to do a murder mystery, So I think

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<v Speaker 2>that changing it from that and giving us this perspective

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<v Speaker 2>of Oswald trying to kind of get out of these scrapes,

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<v Speaker 2>get out of these shenanigans that he puts himself into,

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<v Speaker 2>is a really really interesting twist on what we were expecting.

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<v Speaker 2>I also think as well that, yeah, it's interesting this

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<v Speaker 2>is actually not the first time Sophia fl Cone's been

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<v Speaker 2>on TV, because she was in Bottoms Yeah, portrayed by

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<v Speaker 2>Crystal Reid, who would later go on to play Abby

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<v Speaker 2>in Swamp Thing, one of my favorite shows. Love to

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<v Speaker 2>bring that up, But yeah, I think Kristin Melotti is

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<v Speaker 2>fantastic casting, and I'm very excited to see kind of

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<v Speaker 2>where they go with this and whether or not we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to see more kind of comic book influences coming in. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>we've got, you know, Carlo, We've got these kind of

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<v Speaker 2>hints and the Carlo Callback's actually really interesting because I

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<v Speaker 2>was saying this in pre pro but I went to

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<v Speaker 2>a screening of The Batman on the Warner Brothers lot

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<v Speaker 2>a few years ago with Rob Pattinson with Matt Reeves,

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<v Speaker 2>and people were saying like, what would you do next?

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<v Speaker 2>Like which villains would you love to do? And Matt

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<v Speaker 2>was like, you know, we I don't know if we

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<v Speaker 2>could do Clayface. I think it would be like two

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<v Speaker 2>out there, it's not grounded enough. But I was thinking, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's a way you could do it, and

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<v Speaker 2>I love to kind of see that nod to Clay Face.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the idea of like a tortured actor who

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<v Speaker 2>kind of has some kind of mutation or something, I

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<v Speaker 2>believe he could do it. I just I think Matt

0:43:43.520 --> 0:43:46.759
<v Speaker 2>Reeves has got such a pinpoint on the way that

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<v Speaker 2>you balance like the humanity but also the fantastical nature

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<v Speaker 2>of Gotham, and I think he's really showcasing that in here.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if they do something where Carlo the Clayface

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<v Speaker 1>in a kind of watchmenesque style, was like, was like

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<v Speaker 1>a villain from an earlier generation.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, I think that would be so cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Somehow either picks up the mantle or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that would be really interesting to see, definitely, especially

0:44:17.880 --> 0:44:21.320
<v Speaker 2>because he is definitely we with Cape Crusader and everything

0:44:21.320 --> 0:44:23.520
<v Speaker 2>that we saw, There's so much space there for doing

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<v Speaker 2>something in that kind of fourties golden age of Hollywood. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just really really exciting to kind of see where they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to go with this. And I also love the

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<v Speaker 2>idea that they believe in this enough at Warner Brothers

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<v Speaker 2>that they are calling it. I believe they gave it

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<v Speaker 2>its own name, like the Batman Epic Crime Universe or something,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know what, I'm like, Sure didn't need to

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<v Speaker 2>have the word epic in it, Probably not, but I

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<v Speaker 2>love that they have named it, which is usually in

0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:53.800
<v Speaker 2>corporate terms, a promising thing for whether or not we'll

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<v Speaker 2>see the future of these characters explored in different spaces.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder also because of what we've seen so far

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<v Speaker 1>in this season. If they're setting up the sequel to

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<v Speaker 1>The Batman to be a.

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<v Speaker 2>Scarecrow story, I would be very interested to see that.

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<v Speaker 2>I also think that we are getting a look at

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like how Penguin can become that threat to Batman,

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<v Speaker 2>because obviously Batman has infinite resources, he's super rich. He's

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<v Speaker 2>also absolutely insane and will put himself in danger. And

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<v Speaker 2>there's definitely an interesting parallel with what we've seen of

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<v Speaker 2>oz Of, like Oswell put himself to the point where

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<v Speaker 2>he is getting his own arm chopped off if it

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<v Speaker 2>means he can get himself out of the frame. And

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<v Speaker 2>with Bruce, we saw that this Bruce will throw himself

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<v Speaker 2>off the top of a building and crash into a

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<v Speaker 2>bus without necessarily knowing what he's going to do or

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<v Speaker 2>how he's going to survive. So there's definitely some really

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<v Speaker 2>interesting stuff going on there also as well. It does

0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:02.440
<v Speaker 2>make sense I guess that they kind of went for

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<v Speaker 2>the Long Halloween because that's where Carmine gets killed. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's lots of places they could go, but I definitely

0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:11.920
<v Speaker 2>think we could potentially see a scarecrow potentially, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>see that exploration of Harvey Dent and see where that's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna go. Also, I think we got a confirmation that basically,

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<v Speaker 2>so the Batman movie began on Halloween, very long Halloween

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<v Speaker 2>of them, and we had you know, Bruce doing his

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<v Speaker 2>emo voice over about how Halloweens when the Freaks come out.

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<v Speaker 2>This is going to take place about a week after that,

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<v Speaker 2>And I think they were saying that the Batman two

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<v Speaker 2>is going to take place in winter, and they said

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<v Speaker 2>they weren't going to go for any Matt Reeves said

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<v Speaker 2>he wasn't going to do like a Christmas Batman movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Sad for me because I love a Christmas Batman movie

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<v Speaker 2>like Batman Returns, but he did say it would be

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<v Speaker 2>kind of set in that space as four turns into winter.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm also interested because you know winter, you think

0:46:52.320 --> 0:46:55.200
<v Speaker 2>of Victor Freeze, you think of these spaces that it

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<v Speaker 2>could go. So I'm very intrigued to see what they're

0:46:58.440 --> 0:47:01.400
<v Speaker 2>doing with it. But also the that's a very wintery

0:47:01.480 --> 0:47:03.880
<v Speaker 2>character Pertaps. By the end of this he will become

0:47:03.960 --> 0:47:06.920
<v Speaker 2>that that criminal that we want to follow.

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<v Speaker 1>On tomorrow's episode of Extra Vision, we will be talking

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<v Speaker 1>Netflix animation and later this week Scott Pilgrim join us

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<v Speaker 1>as we close out Animation Month. That's all for this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye Bye x ray Vision is hosted by Jason Kensumsion

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<v Speaker 1>and Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>Our executive producers are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our

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<v Speaker 1>supervising producer is a Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen

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<v Speaker 1>Laurent and Mia Taylor. Our theme song is by Brian Basquez.

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<v Speaker 2>Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman

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<v Speaker 2>and Heidi our discoord moderator.

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<v Speaker 1>But potentially big rewards for you. He doesn't realize that, Sophia.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course we're in l a very back.

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<v Speaker 1>Right it is, isn't here ool? A couple of Paisa, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>why Victor come back? I'm gonna watch the sunset turn around? Okay, what.

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<v Speaker 2>Mine?

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<v Speaker 1>Come on? We gotta get that town. It tell him

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<v Speaker 1>Maun