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Speaker 1: Worrying. Today's episode contain spoilers for the Penguin All Max

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Speaker 1: Episode one Little Episode one of the Penguin Watch Yet

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Speaker 1: you listen to us? Okay, Hello, my name is Jason

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Speaker 1: Concepcion and I'm Mercy Night and welcome back to the

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Speaker 1: xt rat vision of the podcast, when we dive deep

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Speaker 1: into your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture. Coming

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Speaker 1: to you from My Heart podcast where we bring you

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Speaker 1: to do do episodes every week two say Thursday.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode in the Airlop, we are heading to

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Speaker 2: the grimy streets of Gotham to delve into the Penguin.

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Speaker 2: Episode one. Matt Reeves Batman spin off is here, and

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Speaker 2: we will be breaking it down. And in the comics corner,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna be asking when does the Penguin actually take

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Speaker 2: place in the comic book timeline, Like if you look

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Speaker 2: at the Batman comics, what is going on? And when

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Speaker 2: is this taking place? And is it actually taking influence

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Speaker 2: from any comics at all. We'll be answering all those questions.

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Speaker 1: And next up, let's talk about the Penguin.

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Speaker 3: Whoop bomba bah bah blah bah bah woke up in Gossam.

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Speaker 3: The power in my hands, built by empire, got a

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Speaker 3: plan to rule this land. That's right, it's the story

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Speaker 3: of Ozzie copp Oswald Coppa Gulu.

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Speaker 1: Crazy is Aswald Copaca the Penguiny Beyes Me Penguin Season one,

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Speaker 1: episode one, episode one of the limited series that thus

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Speaker 1: far gotta say is great.

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Speaker 2: It is pretty fantastic, pretty great, open, pretty stunning.

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Speaker 1: Directly in the wakes in the wake of the events

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Speaker 2: It is literally a week after The Batman, and we

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Speaker 2: a week after the end of this show. Oh wow, Okay,

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Speaker 2: so Matt Reeves said, this is happening, so quick, quick,

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Speaker 2: quick recap of what happened at the end of The Batman.

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Speaker 1: The Griddler, as per his plans, destroyed the sea wall

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Speaker 1: And so it's like a Hurricane Katrina esque situation. And

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Speaker 2: Okay, so this is a big This is going back

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Speaker 2: So you have the Falconies and who we first met

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Speaker 2: So you're talking about the originators of Batman, Bill Finger

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Speaker 1: So you laid out Rosie. With Marconi dead, his son

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Speaker 1: You know, Alberto, I've always been a big supporter you.

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Speaker 1: Now Alberto, high on drops and drunk, is starts mocking

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Speaker 1: So the kid kind of like very very fractionally loosens up,

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Speaker 2: Ozzie's down here.

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Speaker 1: A lot, and Victor then notices the that the Ozzie's

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Speaker 1: He's like, oh, whoa that that Alberto? He's done it again.

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Speaker 1: on the run. I killed Alberto. She's like, oh my boy,

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00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: I love you so much. I'm so proud of you.

428
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: You kill them, this, this, and now, what are you

429
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 1: gonna do? You're gonna run like a pussy? Yeah, a pussy.

430
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 2: I know. No. I have to say this is like,

431
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 2: this is legit, like another bit of unbelievable character work,

432
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 2: because in this moment you learn so much. It's clear

433
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: that she's probably been abusive. It's clear that she's probably deeply,

434
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 2: deeply overinvolved in her son's life in a way that

435
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 2: could even be deemed as like creepy. It's clear that

436
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 2: he loves her a lot and everything he does for her,

437
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 2: everything he does is kind of under this guise of

438
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: being for her. We also get this mention of his brothers.

439
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:46,239
Speaker 2: Where are they? We don't know? And I love so

440
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 2: much that we learn in this moment kind of everything

441
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 2: about him. Because he is ready to run smart choice

442
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: should have done it, but she managed to essentially nag

443
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 2: him into not doing it. She's like, don't be a pussy.

444
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 2: She's like, everything that you have ever done is leading

445
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 2: up to this, and now you can take it. Like

446
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 2: you've done the thing you need to do and you

447
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 2: can take the city. And also she wants a better life.

448
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 2: She's living in some tiny little house, like it looks

449
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 2: you know, it's classic movie. I was gonna say, I

450
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 2: was gonna say, this is my favorite thing. Is like

451
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 2: every time you see a house and they're like this

452
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 2: is where a poor person lives, I'm like, this house.

453
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: Looks pretty good.

454
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks pretty good to me. So she's living

455
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,239
Speaker 2: in a normal person house, but she wants more. She's like,

456
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 2: I got it. We gotta get what we deserve. You know,

457
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 2: you can tell she's dreaming of that big kind of

458
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 2: McMansion life that they're living. She wants to be living

459
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: in in Long Island, she wants to be living in Montalk.

460
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 2: You know, she's she's got plans. And the funniest thing

461
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 2: is Vick is just watching it all. Yeah, He's like,

462
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 2: holy shit, this is crazy.

463
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: Bro. Later, the Penguin and visit on the couch and

464
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: they watcha a worth the iconic worthing nineteen Gilda. Oz

465
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: then says, you know, as they're driving back to the

466
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: trade stations, like, Vicka, you up to this what we

467
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: need to do? Like it's clear that he shared a

468
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: plan with Vic, which we don't. You don't really realize

469
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: until the end that in the intervening time between them

470
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: watching Gilda and when we catch back up with them here.

471
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: They've been doing a lot of schemen.

472
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oz is laid out a plan. Vick is like,

473
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Then Penguin is like, listen, this is

474
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: you know. It gives him the big game speech, and

475
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 1: Vick is like, okay, you can count on me. So

476
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: the Penguin says, okay, take some time off. He take

477
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: the Volvo but keep your phone on because I'm gonna

478
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: need you. Oz then goes to Blackgate to visit sal Maroni.

479
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 2: Another fantastic scene, like great fantastic man, Colin, I feel

480
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 2: like one in the Batman movie. I was sure the

481
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 2: whole time. I was, like, the reason that I enjoy

482
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 2: Colin Farrell so much, and this is because he's not

483
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 2: really in the movie alone, but when you see him,

484
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 2: he's so impactful, but it would be too obvious in

485
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: the suit when if you watched him for too long incorrect.

486
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: I think he loses himself and this this.

487
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: Suit does you get.

488
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 2: You forget it's him, and in this scene specifically where

489
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 2: it's him versus Clancy Brown's Salvator Maroney, who just fucking

490
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 2: hates him so much, and there is just so much

491
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 2: seething fury that Oz would even dean to step into

492
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 2: Blackgate and kind of talk to him. It's so good.

493
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: So let me just first say that Gotham, you need

494
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: to like record all convers between mob figures, organized crime

495
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: figures and whoever visits him, because this is fucking crazy.

496
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: Let them meeted person with nobody around and no recording.

497
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: You know, the implication is that like it's very corrupt

498
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 2: at Blackgate. And the difference, if you're wondering, so the

499
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 2: difference between Blackgate and ARC is that Blackgate was introduced

500
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 2: in like the nineties and Detective Comics six twenty nine,

501
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 2: and it's for non insane criminals. That's the criminal. This

502
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: is just like, this is just your standard criminal. And

503
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: the black Bes was like one of the other families

504
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: in Arkham. So yeah, ain't Gotham. So yeah, this is

505
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 2: a very funny. But you're so right, like why are

506
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 2: they not recording this? Like, guys, I know that the

507
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 2: I know they're probably all under Sal's thumb.

508
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: You can put everybody away forever.

509
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 2: Bit just like one microphone underneath like put one microphone

510
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: underneath the table, my guys.

511
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: So as pitches his services to the Maroney family against

512
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: the Falconies, he says, listen, here's some info for you.

513
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: Falconi are gonna move my drop business out of the city,

514
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: and he says, but I'll tell you what. We got

515
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: a couple of days, I will tell you where the

516
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,479
Speaker 1: factory is. You take it right, I'll pretend like, oh

517
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: my god, there we've been raided by the Ronis. Oh oh,

518
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: this is a great opportunity for you to take revenge

519
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: is like, now you crossed me too many times.

520
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 2: He's like, bro, do you remember all these times that

521
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 2: you're like fucking heeled on me and stop me in

522
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: the bag and like betrayed me. Like I'm fucking sick

523
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 2: of you.

524
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: I'm sick of you. I don't trust you. And the

525
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: PEngs like but you sleep on it, and the Maronie's like,

526
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: fuck off, just get the fuck out of here. But

527
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: then I almost forget and he goes into his pocket

528
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: and he takes out the ring that Fulcny took from Maroni,

529
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: and Maroney's like, oh my god. He's like, clearly what

530
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: the moved in some way to get the ring back.

531
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: So Oz is then driving around. He's driving back to

532
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: wherever he's gonna. He's going back to his uh I

533
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: think his club, and he's calling VIC but he's it

534
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: goes straight to voicemail, which is a problem. And then

535
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: as he pulls up in front of his club, he

536
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: sees Sophia and her Hood's waiting for him the Falcony

537
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: Hoods car chase. He's you know, racing away from them.

538
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: In his cop car, which is how Sophia catches him.

539
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: Then animal Vic, still not picking up the penguin, does

540
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: this very cute kind of like uh pump fake maneuver

541
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: where he pulls up in front of like a FEMA

542
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,719
Speaker 1: camp and then leaves the door the driver's side door

543
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: open like he fled on foot, but really he was

544
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: hiding in the trunk. And when he gets out, one

545
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: of the falcony hoods comes and tries to stop him,

546
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: but he kills the guy. But then Sophia's guys eventually

547
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: get a hold of him. They take him back upstate

548
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: to the mansion and they begin to torture him in

549
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: the greenhouse. They got a strip nude and this is

550
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: where you get a great look at the floor back.

551
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: This suit is amazing.

552
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also like this guy higher and ever you

553
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: understand why call it farrelheighten to be in that suit?

554
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: I understand, my friend, It's fine. Also, they have him

555
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 2: like they are gone. You know, he's in the He's

556
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 2: in the greenhouse of death. Let's put it that way.

557
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: Like this is one of those scenes like you're watching

558
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: Sore and you know the trap is about to come out,

559
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 2: like you know you're going to see some bad stuff.

560
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: So the fact that Oswald manages to even like not

561
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: just pass out from fear tells you a lot about him.

562
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: So they're torturing him. She wants to know what Alberto is.

563
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: She's telling him how much he loves her brother, how

564
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: he was the only one that came to see her,

565
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: and then she produces one of the kids that try

566
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: to as well, it's very interesting you say you weren't

567
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: at your club because you were shooting at these kids

568
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: in back of your club on the very night that

569
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: my brother disappeared. So what about that? Is this kid lying?

570
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: And Penguins like, yeah, the kid's fucking lying. So she

571
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: shoots the kid.

572
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: Oh that's so.

573
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: And this is a great is like thrilled is like

574
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: you could see the Hangman energy ming out of her.

575
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: And also as well, this is a great thing to

576
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: show just to Ozz because he is willing to have

577
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 2: an innocent kid just killed. Yeah, it means he can

578
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: get out of it. And this is a very brutal

579
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: moment and it kind of foreshadows where the show is

580
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 2: going to go.

581
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: So then they really step up the torture. They take

582
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: like a very sharp like cable like a wire, and

583
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: they put it under his armpit and they're beginning to

584
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: cut his arm off, and again all the time asking

585
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: where is my brother? And then there's a car crash outside.

586
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: You go out there and you see that it's the

587
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: caddy they put Alberto in. Sofia goes. She sees there's

588
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,719
Speaker 1: no driver. There's like a cinder block on the accelerator,

589
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: and she looks in the trunk and there's Alberto and

590
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: this pinky with the ring is cut off. And so

591
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: it's clear now the Maroney's are going to get the

592
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: blame for this, and it says payback.

593
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: On the inside of the He's got an alibi because

594
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: you're about to chop his arm off, that's right.

595
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: So so they let the They let Oz go and

596
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: next thing, you know, where with Oz and Vic at

597
00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: their old neighborhood getting slushies from this slushies and we

598
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: realized this was all his plan. He had set this

599
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: whole thing up to begin the gang war between the

600
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: and the Maronis. And he's celebrating with Vic over these

601
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: slushies and he's asking Vic, like, well, now, something, you

602
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: only cut off the pinky, he said, were he was

603
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: gonna cut off the head And Vick is like basically

604
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: just says that couldn't. I couldn't do it.

605
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 2: He's my favorite thing. My favorite thing is he's like

606
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: I was like, I was thinking, like should I start

607
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 2: the frump? And then I was worried I'd get stuck

608
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 2: on the track here. But then if I started the

609
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 2: back like I would get like stuck on the spine.

610
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: And As is looking at him like, what the fuck

611
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: are you talking about? But you can tell now that

612
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 2: there is a this is a new little duo, like

613
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 2: for now.

614
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: First Henchi Henchy number one.

615
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: Fast, Henchy number one. It's Vic And obviously now the

616
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 2: Maronis will get blamed, so on motion.

617
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: That's right, Maroney's gonna be where in the ring around Blackgate,

618
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: and uh, it's very clear that this gang war is

619
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: going to pop off. And Oz tells Vic, listen this

620
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: new drug thing. I want you in with me. And

621
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: then and then they mix the flavors. It's pretty good.

622
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: You mix the flavors. Slushy is good. And we're on

623
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: to episode two. Well, this is a this is a

624
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: really fun show.

625
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 2: I'm this is a truly fantastic opening episode, Like and

626
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: look we are we are obviously the audience for this

627
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: kind of stuff you if you are listening to this.

628
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 2: But I will say I believe this is the kind

629
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 2: of show you can show someone who doesn't know Batman,

630
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 2: who doesn't care about these movies, and who can find

631
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 2: something to love it. It currently stands at ninety three

632
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 2: percent on Rotten Tomatoes, and I think that that is

633
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: a very good representation of the fact that a lot

634
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 2: of people, whether you're from The Evening Standard or Empire

635
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: Magazin or Indie Wire, have found something in this that

636
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 2: is deeply worthwhile and deeply transformative. That's really the word

637
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 2: that all of these reviews say, you know this is

638
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 2: I mean, this is from the Evening Standard. It says

639
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 2: this is a five star series that Mafia film fans

640
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: will adore. It's very much an Italian American gangster penguin,

641
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: with Farrell finding the sweetest of evil spots between Tony

642
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 2: soprano and de Niro's vo Corleone. So I mean that's

643
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 2: it's pretty big compliments. I like this one from Empire

644
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: to where they say a spinoff that makes this return

645
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: to Gotham feel both necessary and earned. Totally agree that's

646
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: the thing. This makes you one. I love the world

647
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 2: of the Batman. I mean, in rewatching it, Jason, we

648
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 2: were both kind of struck, Like you texted me and

649
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 2: you were like, this movie is underrated, and I was like,

650
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 2: it is underrated because even though we're talking about how

651
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 2: like it came out and we were like, this is great,

652
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: we love it, and a lot of people were like

653
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: this is great, and it made a ton of money.

654
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 2: But because of the world and the pandemic and all

655
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: these other things and the stripes, it almost feels like

656
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: it came and it went. But it actually really like

657
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 2: a deeply fantastic movie, and I'm very excited to see

658
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: it expand into this new format where hopefully it will

659
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: get people to revisit that film and see how great

660
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 2: it was. And I also like, I saw James Gunn today.

661
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: He was sharing good reviews of the show even though

662
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 2: it's in this elseworld's kind of space, not in the

663
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 2: you know what, we're calling the gun averse. So I'm

664
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 2: just really happy. I thought this first episode is so good,

665
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 2: and I will say positive something. You know, I'm not

666
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 2: gonna obviously, I'm not going to say anything other than

667
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: this about it, but I will say the second episode

668
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: is also better. We were lucky enough to watch it.

669
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: So for me, I was just like unbelievable, Like it

670
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: just worked on every level. The vibe, the tone, Sophia

671
00:37:54,600 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 2: Falcone's outfits stunning, immaculate. Yeah, it's it's so so good.

672
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: Well up next, we're going to go to the comics corner. Oh,

673
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: we're going to go in the comics corner to talk

674
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: about some of the inspiration that we see maybe for

675
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: the Penguin, and then in the comic storylines of where

676
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: this might take place.

677
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 2: Where does it take place?

678
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: Welcome to Comics Corner. Were sitting. We're sitting in the

679
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: flooded confines of Comics Quarter as the floodwaters from the

680
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: Riddler attack are slowly drained away, and we're going to

681
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:50,479
Speaker 1: talk about like where when in comics continuity and from

682
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: what comics the Penguin might take its inspiration. Rosie, what

683
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: are you seeing in this show?

684
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: Okay? So, I think the biggest thing is that when

685
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 2: we first watched, when we first watched the Batman, which

686
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 2: was kind of set in this almost like year two

687
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: era is what we call it. That's what Matt Reeves

688
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 2: was calling it. It's kind of Batman's been in Gotham,

689
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 2: but he's not fully established. A lot of people definitely

690
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 2: saw the potential for this series, especially as a crime series,

691
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 2: to adapt The Long Halloween by Jeff Lobe and Tim Sale,

692
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 2: which is where we first met the wider Falcone family,

693
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 2: like Sophia and Alberto and in that really great comic.

694
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 2: So I'm going to give you a spoiler warning if

695
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 2: you want to go and read it without a spoiler,

696
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 2: because it really is great. But it's actually revealed that

697
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: the identity of the Holiday killer who kills people around holidays,

698
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 2: classic kind of Batman Shenanigans, it's actually Alberto Falcone, who

699
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: was basically a mass murderer who's kind of been indiscriminately

700
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 2: killing many, many people in Gotham under this guys. So interestingly,

701
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 2: though we of me a version of Alberto here that's

702
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 2: completely different. And the most interesting thing is that in

703
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 2: the sequel to The Long Halloween, which is called Batman

704
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 2: Dark Victory, which is kind of an underread story, we

705
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 2: learn that Sophia is this serial killer known as the Hangman, who,

706
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: as you know Jason pointed out, killed many members of

707
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 2: the Gotham Police Department in this extraordinarily effective cop killer

708
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 2: and very connected to kind of a Harvey Dent two

709
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: face storyline, and interestingly, it is very It was very

710
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 2: shocking to me, Like I already pitched an article where

711
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 2: I was like, wait a minute, you're coming in after

712
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 2: Dark Victory. You're essentially like coming in post the two

713
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 2: biggest storylines. And if you're looking at the comment but Kenon,

714
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 2: you would say, well, so you're telling me those have

715
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: already happened, Like Long Halloween's already clear.

716
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: That that is not the case.

717
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 2: I don't think it's the case. By This is my

718
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 2: this is my gut check on what they're gonna do,

719
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 2: and I've only this at this point. I've only seen

720
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 2: the first two episodes, so this is my guess. I

721
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 2: think where this is going is that they're going to

722
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 2: combine the Long Halloween murders and the Hangman murders, and

723
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 2: there's gonna be some kind of thing where either Sophia

724
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: took the fall for a male member of her family,

725
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: or that she was in line with one of the

726
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 2: Falconies and they were both doing the killings. I think

727
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 2: there's gonna be some kind of combined version of it.

728
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: But it was very interesting to me that they chose

729
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 2: to set it after those two big comic book storylines.

730
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 2: And also I think it's a really cool way to

731
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 2: basically say, hey, we're going to do our own thing,

732
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 2: which is what Matt Reeves loves to do, even though

733
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: he does cherry pick moments from the comics. So yeah,

734
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: we're looking at a kind of dark Victory esque era.

735
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 2: But yeah, I thought this was so interesting, especially just

736
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 2: because the Long Halloween is so kind of iconic. It

737
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 2: would have been interesting. And obviously one of the safest

738
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 2: bets on how to get people hooked into a TV

739
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: show is to do a murder mystery, So I think

740
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 2: that changing it from that and giving us this perspective

741
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 2: of Oswald trying to kind of get out of these scrapes,

742
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 2: get out of these shenanigans that he puts himself into,

743
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 2: is a really really interesting twist on what we were expecting.

744
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 2: I also think as well that, yeah, it's interesting this

745
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: is actually not the first time Sophia fl Cone's been

746
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 2: on TV, because she was in Bottoms Yeah, portrayed by

747
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 2: Crystal Reid, who would later go on to play Abby

748
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 2: in Swamp Thing, one of my favorite shows. Love to

749
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 2: bring that up, But yeah, I think Kristin Melotti is

750
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 2: fantastic casting, and I'm very excited to see kind of

751
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 2: where they go with this and whether or not we're

752
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: going to see more kind of comic book influences coming in. Obviously,

753
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 2: we've got, you know, Carlo, We've got these kind of

754
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 2: hints and the Carlo Callback's actually really interesting because I

755
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 2: was saying this in pre pro but I went to

756
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: a screening of The Batman on the Warner Brothers lot

757
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: a few years ago with Rob Pattinson with Matt Reeves,

758
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: and people were saying like, what would you do next?

759
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 2: Like which villains would you love to do? And Matt

760
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 2: was like, you know, we I don't know if we

761
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 2: could do Clayface. I think it would be like two

762
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 2: out there, it's not grounded enough. But I was thinking, like,

763
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: I think there's a way you could do it, and

764
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: I love to kind of see that nod to Clay Face.

765
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: I think the idea of like a tortured actor who

766
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 2: kind of has some kind of mutation or something, I

767
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: believe he could do it. I just I think Matt

768
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 2: Reeves has got such a pinpoint on the way that

769
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: you balance like the humanity but also the fantastical nature

770
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 2: of Gotham, and I think he's really showcasing that in here.

771
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: I wonder if they do something where Carlo the Clayface

772
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: in a kind of watchmenesque style, was like, was like

773
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: a villain from an earlier generation.

774
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 2: Wow, I think that would be so cool.

775
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: Somehow either picks up the mantle or something like that.

776
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be really interesting to see, definitely, especially

777
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 2: because he is definitely we with Cape Crusader and everything

778
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: that we saw, There's so much space there for doing

779
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: something in that kind of fourties golden age of Hollywood. Yeah,

780
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: just really really exciting to kind of see where they're

781
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 2: going to go with this. And I also love the

782
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 2: idea that they believe in this enough at Warner Brothers

783
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 2: that they are calling it. I believe they gave it

784
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: its own name, like the Batman Epic Crime Universe or something,

785
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 2: and you know what, I'm like, Sure didn't need to

786
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 2: have the word epic in it, Probably not, but I

787
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 2: love that they have named it, which is usually in

788
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 2: corporate terms, a promising thing for whether or not we'll

789
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 2: see the future of these characters explored in different spaces.

790
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: I wonder also because of what we've seen so far

791
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: in this season. If they're setting up the sequel to

792
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: The Batman to be a.

793
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: Scarecrow story, I would be very interested to see that.

794
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 2: I also think that we are getting a look at

795
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 2: kind of like how Penguin can become that threat to Batman,

796
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: because obviously Batman has infinite resources, he's super rich. He's

797
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 2: also absolutely insane and will put himself in danger. And

798
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: there's definitely an interesting parallel with what we've seen of

799
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 2: oz Of, like Oswell put himself to the point where

800
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 2: he is getting his own arm chopped off if it

801
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 2: means he can get himself out of the frame. And

802
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: with Bruce, we saw that this Bruce will throw himself

803
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 2: off the top of a building and crash into a

804
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: bus without necessarily knowing what he's going to do or

805
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 2: how he's going to survive. So there's definitely some really

806
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 2: interesting stuff going on there also as well. It does

807
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 2: make sense I guess that they kind of went for

808
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 2: the Long Halloween because that's where Carmine gets killed. And yeah,

809
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 2: there's lots of places they could go, but I definitely

810
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 2: think we could potentially see a scarecrow potentially, you know,

811
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 2: see that exploration of Harvey Dent and see where that's

812
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: gonna go. Also, I think we got a confirmation that basically,

813
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 2: so the Batman movie began on Halloween, very long Halloween

814
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 2: of them, and we had you know, Bruce doing his

815
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: emo voice over about how Halloweens when the Freaks come out.

816
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 2: This is going to take place about a week after that,

817
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 2: And I think they were saying that the Batman two

818
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 2: is going to take place in winter, and they said

819
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 2: they weren't going to go for any Matt Reeves said

820
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 2: he wasn't going to do like a Christmas Batman movie.

821
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 2: Sad for me because I love a Christmas Batman movie

822
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 2: like Batman Returns, but he did say it would be

823
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 2: kind of set in that space as four turns into winter.

824
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 2: So I'm also interested because you know winter, you think

825
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: of Victor Freeze, you think of these spaces that it

826
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 2: could go. So I'm very intrigued to see what they're

827
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 2: doing with it. But also the that's a very wintery

828
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 2: character Pertaps. By the end of this he will become

829
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 2: that that criminal that we want to follow.

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Speaker 1: On tomorrow's episode of Extra Vision, we will be talking

831
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: Netflix animation and later this week Scott Pilgrim join us

832
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: as we close out Animation Month. That's all for this episode.

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Speaker 1: Bye Bye x ray Vision is hosted by Jason Kensumsion

834
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Speaker 1: and Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Our executive producers are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our

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Speaker 1: supervising producer is a Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen

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Speaker 1: Laurent and Mia Taylor. Our theme song is by Brian Basquez.

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00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman

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Speaker 2: and Heidi our discoord moderator.

840
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Speaker 1: But potentially big rewards for you. He doesn't realize that, Sophia.

841
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 2: Of course we're in l a very back.

842
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: Right it is, isn't here ool? A couple of Paisa, Oh,

843
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: why Victor come back? I'm gonna watch the sunset turn around? Okay, what.

844
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 2: Mine?

845
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: Come on? We gotta get that town. It tell him

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Speaker 1: Maun