WEBVTT - #798 Packers Unscripted: Work to do

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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<v Speaker 1>Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always

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<v Speaker 1>by my partner in crime, Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to

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<v Speaker 1>you here from our studios at lambeau Field to discuss, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>Wes a thirty one to twenty nine loss at the

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<v Speaker 1>hands of the Minnesota Vikings last Sunday. And I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>going to start by saying this. This is my nineteenth

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<v Speaker 1>season covering Thepackers for Packers dot Com, and my days

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<v Speaker 1>of covering Packers games extends back mid nineties, late nineties,

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<v Speaker 1>early two thousands before I got here. That game, if

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<v Speaker 1>it's not the most bizarre football game I have seen,

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<v Speaker 1>it definitely ranks up there. That was just a weird

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<v Speaker 1>football game.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've definitely put it in my top five. The

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thirteen Matt Flynn replacing Scott Tolzene and then them

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<v Speaker 2>tying the Vikings is pretty high on my list.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was that one was theizar for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>And then two weeks later Matt Flynn leading a twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three point a halftime comeback was kind of weird. On

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<v Speaker 2>the road, No lo on the road and then obviously

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<v Speaker 2>for me it's the Hail Mary game in Detroit. Those

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<v Speaker 2>are like the Krem Dala Krem. This is right underneath

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<v Speaker 2>that in terms of just the peculiarity of it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>like I it was one of those games too, that

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<v Speaker 2>the game got over with and I'm standing there waiting

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<v Speaker 2>to get in the locker room. You go to the

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<v Speaker 2>auditorium for Matt and Jordan's pressers, I'm standing outside getting

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<v Speaker 2>my notes together for the availability, and I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know how to make heads or tails of that game, because, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it could have went one of two ways here. The

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<v Speaker 2>Packers could have won, which was completely on the table

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<v Speaker 2>in the second half, yes, and they also could have

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<v Speaker 2>gotten completely blown out when they were down twenty eight

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<v Speaker 2>to nothing, it seemed like nothing could go right. It

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<v Speaker 2>ends up being a thirty one twenty nine game, which

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<v Speaker 2>is just sort of the weirdest outcome possible in a

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<v Speaker 2>game in which the Packers had real chances to win

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<v Speaker 2>late in the fourth quarters. But all that put together,

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<v Speaker 2>I looked at it this way as I laid my

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<v Speaker 2>head down to go to bed on Sunday night, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>if you were ever gonna have a quote unquote I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not calling at this because I know fans will go nuts,

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<v Speaker 2>but that preseason type game, allowing Jordan Love just to

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<v Speaker 2>get into a rhythm and find himself a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>and just get the throws out and get the rust off,

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<v Speaker 2>that was kind of it. Yeah, he found Jayden Reid.

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<v Speaker 2>He had some really nice throws to Dontavian Wicks. The

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<v Speaker 2>defense did some good things. It wasn't good enough to win,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Packers have a vast amount of corrections to make.

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<v Speaker 2>But by and large, I left that game for as

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<v Speaker 2>bad as I felt about it prior to Daniel Wheeland's

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<v Speaker 2>punt in the second quarter. Yeah, I walked out of

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<v Speaker 2>that game being like, all right, these guys are gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, That's the thing is is up until the Vikings

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<v Speaker 1>gave the Packers that gift with the muff punt late

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<v Speaker 1>in the first half that allowed for the Packers to

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<v Speaker 1>get a touchdown before halftime and to stay at least

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<v Speaker 1>within shouting distance of the Vikings going into the third quarter.

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<v Speaker 1>Up until that point, at with a twenty eight to

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<v Speaker 1>nothing score, there was just absolutely nothing that went right

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<v Speaker 1>for Green Bay. The defense gave up the three consecutive

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<v Speaker 1>touchdowns on Minnesota's first three possessions, and that included, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>allowing a third and fourteen on the opening drive after

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<v Speaker 1>a potential interception was dropped, then on the next two

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<v Speaker 1>touchdown drives, if the Packers defense even got them in

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<v Speaker 1>third down, it might have been third and one or

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<v Speaker 1>third and two. They never even felt like they had

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<v Speaker 1>a legitimate chance to get off the field offensively. The

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<v Speaker 1>first four possessions in whatever order result in two missed

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<v Speaker 1>field goals and two interceptions, so it really doesn't get

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<v Speaker 1>too much worse than that, and the second interception then

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<v Speaker 1>sets up Minnesota's fourth touchdown with a short field. They

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<v Speaker 1>punch it in twenty eight to zero. It was just

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<v Speaker 1>a case of, you know, if something could go wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>it did, and then, as this crazy NFL works from

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<v Speaker 1>that point, suddenly, with roughly ten minutes left in the

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<v Speaker 1>fourth quarter, the score is twenty eight to twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>The Lambeau crowd is into it, and the Packers have

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<v Speaker 1>a legitimate chance to pull off what would have been

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest comeback in franchise history, which is twenty three points.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been done twice, a comeback from twenty eight points,

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<v Speaker 1>but the Vikings settled things down. They did what they

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<v Speaker 1>needed to do. The Packers then reverted to making mistakes

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of more turnovers in the fourth quarter when

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<v Speaker 1>the game was still within reach. It's hard to make

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<v Speaker 1>head or tail of it, but I'm with you in that.

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<v Speaker 1>For as awful as things were for pretty much the

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<v Speaker 1>entire first half, you left that game saying, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a tough loss. It stinks, there's all kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff to work on. The Packers are going to be okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Here was This was not just a complete and total

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<v Speaker 1>utter collapse against a division rival. They stood up, they

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<v Speaker 1>fought back, They gave themselves a chance. It didn't work out,

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<v Speaker 1>and Minnesota is sitting on top of the NFC North

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<v Speaker 1>at four and oh the only undefeated team in the

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<v Speaker 1>nf sound right now. The only other undefeated team in

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<v Speaker 1>the league is the defending Super Bowl champion Kansas City Chiefs.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's you know, it's pretty simple to just say,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, you know, you get back to work, get

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<v Speaker 1>your work done, get on the plane, go to LA

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<v Speaker 1>and try to chalk up win number three. That's all

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<v Speaker 1>this week is about.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what it is. It's trying to correct what you

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<v Speaker 2>need to correct. The Packers are one month into this thing,

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote Insider inbox, they're two and two. They're sitting

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<v Speaker 2>in the same boat they were last year. But this

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<v Speaker 2>team is much better than they were three hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>sixty five days ago. The offense is more explosive. Jordan

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<v Speaker 2>Love is so much more confident, albeit somewhat hobbled with

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<v Speaker 2>this knee going into this game. And then defensively, I

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<v Speaker 2>think there's been some real bright spots. I mean, it

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<v Speaker 2>was not an encouraging start. Sam Darnold was way too comfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>They had way too much success. But you know, whether

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<v Speaker 2>it was you know what you might have missed or

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<v Speaker 2>some of the other you know, different types of film

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<v Speaker 2>review stuff that's out there, I mean, you give credit

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<v Speaker 2>to what Kevin O'Connell did. I mean they did a

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<v Speaker 2>lot structurally with their offensive linement, a lot with their

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<v Speaker 2>overall philosophy of offense to be able to get into

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<v Speaker 2>that rhythm that they did early on. It wasn't just

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<v Speaker 2>like okay, there was breakdown after breakdown. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>dropped interception that could have shifted tied with isamh McDuffie absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>it was Naylor. I believe it was leaking out on

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<v Speaker 2>third and fourteen and being able to get the first down,

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<v Speaker 2>and then after that, it just seemed like the Packers

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't catch a break there for about the next twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five minutes. Yea, once they did, once they slowed things down,

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<v Speaker 2>you started to see the team that we saw in Nashville.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem is is that when you're playing from behind

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<v Speaker 2>like that, you have to take more chances with the football.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not going to run the ball as the way

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<v Speaker 2>you want to. And in Tucker Crawt trying to make

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<v Speaker 2>a play ends of fumbling, you know, with a really

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<v Speaker 2>nice play by Byron Murphins Jr. That's that's the that's

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<v Speaker 2>the precarious position you're in when you're playing from behind.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Packers just weren't. They set themselves so far

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<v Speaker 2>back from the cart it was hard getting that thing

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<v Speaker 2>reattached to pull out a victory.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean a few thoughts defensively.

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<v Speaker 2>One.

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<v Speaker 1>The Packers were in a tough spot going in when

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<v Speaker 1>they found out on Friday that jy R. Alexander couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>practice groin injury was added to the injury report. He

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<v Speaker 1>was already on the report with a quad injury, but

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<v Speaker 1>he had been limited in practice. Then the groin pops up.

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<v Speaker 1>Lafleur actually then said after the game it happened during

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<v Speaker 1>Thursday's practice. He wasn't able to practice on Friday, he

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<v Speaker 1>was out for the game. Carrington Valentine was also out.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Packers are going into this game when you've

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<v Speaker 1>got Justin Jefferson on the other side, and two of

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<v Speaker 1>your top four cornerbacks are on the sideline. The only

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<v Speaker 1>the two of your top four who are available are

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<v Speaker 1>Eric Stokes and Keishawn Nixon. Nixon being mostly a slot guy,

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<v Speaker 1>but then he gets playing you know, some boundary corner.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that the situation in the secondary and

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison are pretty

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<v Speaker 1>darn good pair of receivers, I think that influenced jeff

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<v Speaker 1>Halfley trying to stick with the foreman rush. He didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to really come after Darnald and make from a

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<v Speaker 1>numbers perspective, the secondary and the coverage that much more vulnerable,

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<v Speaker 1>and the fore man rush just couldn't get there. This is,

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<v Speaker 1>to me, this is an example of the once you

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<v Speaker 1>get into a season there are things that are on

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<v Speaker 1>tape and other teams are going to be prepared.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>We have seen through the first three weeks of the

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<v Speaker 1>season the Packers' defensive front four, and they've had a

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<v Speaker 1>good rotation using lots of different guys. But whoever's been

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<v Speaker 1>out there, they've been when they do a straight foreman rush,

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<v Speaker 1>they've been doing a lot of stunts, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of you know, guys cutting inside, trying to

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<v Speaker 1>essentially run like a pick play type of thing within

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<v Speaker 1>the defensive line to freeze somebody up. And the Vikings

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<v Speaker 1>just looked like they were prepared for every single one

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<v Speaker 1>of those that the Packers tried to run with the

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<v Speaker 1>fore men rush. They were picking everything up, they were

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<v Speaker 1>executing their pass protection, and the Packers only really were

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<v Speaker 1>able to harass Darnold a couple of times in the

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<v Speaker 1>second half when they did bring the extra pressure. So

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<v Speaker 1>Packers were kind of behind the eight ball defensively with

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<v Speaker 1>the laid injury to Alexander and then things with what

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<v Speaker 1>they were planning just didn't really work out and the

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<v Speaker 1>snowball started running downhill. That said, Xavier McKinney keeps points

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<v Speaker 1>off the board with his fourth interception in four games.

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<v Speaker 1>Kuway Walker comes on a blitz and gets a thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>yard sack that leads to that leads to a punt

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<v Speaker 1>for the Vikings, and Keyshawn Nixon comes off the slot

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<v Speaker 1>on the blind side. The Vikings don't pick it up.

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<v Speaker 1>You get the sack fumble and that's you know, leads

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<v Speaker 1>to a touchdown that gets the Packers back into the game.

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<v Speaker 1>So the defense made some big plays, but the Vikings

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<v Speaker 1>were just in command for so long and building that

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight point lead that the way everything ultimately ultimately unfolded,

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<v Speaker 1>it was too little, too late.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple things stood out to me when I was

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<v Speaker 2>reviewing this game. One, they were not gonna let Kenny

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<v Speaker 2>Clark wreck this game for them. The amount of help

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<v Speaker 2>that they gave Garrett Bradberry, the amount of help and

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<v Speaker 2>chipping they did on the edges. You have to make

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<v Speaker 2>a play. I'm not saying you don't. I mean defensive linemen,

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<v Speaker 2>defensive edge rushers. You still have to find a way

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<v Speaker 2>to generate pressure to create opportunities for yourself. But the

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<v Speaker 2>thing about you talk about the Packers and how they

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<v Speaker 2>have to adjust to having Justin Jefferson out there in

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan Addison, the benefit for the Minnesota Vikings is when

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<v Speaker 2>you have weapons like that that people have to pay

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<v Speaker 2>so much attention to, there's things you can do in

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<v Speaker 2>your offensive front to be able to compensate for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Green Bay eventually did start to find answers in the

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<v Speaker 2>second half. This is something I brought up on Twitter.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people had mentioned to me. This is something that

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<v Speaker 2>Sean McVay has been doing in LA. I have not

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<v Speaker 2>been privy to it, but this idea of basically lining

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<v Speaker 2>up your running back a yard in front of your

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<v Speaker 2>quarterback and shotgun. That's a thing to kind of take

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<v Speaker 2>away the eight gap blitzes and some of the pressure inside.

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<v Speaker 2>But then Jeff Haffley had the right call to defend

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<v Speaker 2>against that when he sent Keyshawn Nixon on that blitz

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<v Speaker 2>right off the edge, right off the strong side edge,

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<v Speaker 2>and it leads to a big play. They started to

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<v Speaker 2>find the answers. I think kay Walker this game was

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<v Speaker 2>a perfect embodiment of the type of player Kway Walker

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<v Speaker 2>can be in this defense when used appropriately. Edgeran Cooper

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<v Speaker 2>gets a fumble recovery off of the Keyshawn Nixon play.

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<v Speaker 2>There were a lot of positives to show to. But again,

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<v Speaker 2>when you fall behind twenty to nothing, there's certain things

0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:36.960
<v Speaker 2>that are going to go against you. The Packers ran

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<v Speaker 2>seventy six offensive plays in this game. They actually ended

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<v Speaker 2>up dominating tom of possession like I talked about, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's because of the interceptions, it's because of the turnovers.

0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:47.480
<v Speaker 2>The Packers can clean some of those things up. If

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<v Speaker 2>they can avoid five penalties in the first quarter. There

0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:53.800
<v Speaker 2>are opportunities here for them to really become a very

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<v Speaker 2>good football team.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully.

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan Love being back in the lineup, getting his comfort level,

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<v Speaker 2>getting his timing back with his receivers as of help.

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<v Speaker 2>But as we saw, Mike, don you know, whether it's

0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:05.880
<v Speaker 2>Christian Watson getting injured or DeVante Wyat going down with

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<v Speaker 2>the ankle, there's still going to be adversity that Green

0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:10.400
<v Speaker 2>Bay is going to have to respond to and and

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<v Speaker 2>seeing how guys step up to that, it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be the real challenge.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was an interesting game for Jordan Love. He's

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<v Speaker 1>he comes back after missing two games with the knee injury.

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<v Speaker 1>He's playing with the brace on his left knee, and

0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:25.400
<v Speaker 1>you could see in the early going, and he admitted

0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:27.840
<v Speaker 1>it himself his accuracy was a little bit off. The

0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:30.640
<v Speaker 1>throws were not quite there. Some of them were still catchable.

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<v Speaker 1>The passes could have been better, the catches still could

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<v Speaker 1>have been made. And the packers were you know, they

0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:42.000
<v Speaker 1>were were struggling there stalling out. Vikings made My Vikings

0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:45.480
<v Speaker 1>made a really good play the middle. The middle linebacker

0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:48.760
<v Speaker 1>made a really good play on the first interception, you

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<v Speaker 1>know where he basically read Love's eyes, and instead of

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<v Speaker 1>staying with the tight end who was running the deep

0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:56.560
<v Speaker 1>the deep scene kind of the go down the middle,

0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:59.160
<v Speaker 1>who was supposed to clear out that middle linebacker, he

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<v Speaker 1>stayed home because he saw that Love was going to

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<v Speaker 1>try to go to Christian Watson there. Unfortunately, then Watson

0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:06.680
<v Speaker 1>gets hurt on that play, and he's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>out for at least a little while here. The second

0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:12.360
<v Speaker 1>interception for Love, I thought was I mean, it was

0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:16.000
<v Speaker 1>bad luck. It was bad luck for Love. The route

0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:21.000
<v Speaker 1>combination wasn't run quite right, and so then Musgrave didn't

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<v Speaker 1>realize the throw wasn't intended for him, It was intended

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<v Speaker 1>for Dobbs behind him. It ends up getting deflected twice

0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:31.800
<v Speaker 1>and then picked off. But then Love started to settle

0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:36.880
<v Speaker 1>down the accuracy started to come around. They're moving the

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<v Speaker 1>ball and getting some things done. But then he almost

0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:42.680
<v Speaker 1>starts feeling it a little bit too much. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 1>then when it's thirty one to twenty two, about six

0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:49.400
<v Speaker 1>minutes to go, and it's a first down, and he

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<v Speaker 1>responds to the blitz off the edge by Harrison Smith

0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:55.080
<v Speaker 1>by trying to take the shot deep down the field

0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:58.080
<v Speaker 1>one on one for Wis against Murphy, and Wicks really

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<v Speaker 1>had no chance to catch that ball. So you know,

0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:04.240
<v Speaker 1>like I say, almost almost feeling a little bit too good,

0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:08.400
<v Speaker 1>tries to make too much of a hero play, and

0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:12.840
<v Speaker 1>that towards the comeback effort. In the end, it was

0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:15.280
<v Speaker 1>it was a little bit of everything game. I mean,

0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:19.720
<v Speaker 1>Jordan Love set career highs across the board completions, attempts,

0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:22.360
<v Speaker 1>the three hundred and eighty nine yards, the four touchdowns,

0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:26.320
<v Speaker 1>also tied his career high with three interceptions, so kind

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<v Speaker 1>of all over the board there. The best news about

0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:32.360
<v Speaker 1>it is that is that one from a health standpoint,

0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:35.920
<v Speaker 1>he looked better as the game went up, and he

0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:39.320
<v Speaker 1>looked like he settled in and from everything that we've heard,

0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:42.880
<v Speaker 1>other than the knee being sore, which is to be expected,

0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:45.440
<v Speaker 1>He did take a hit on the one scramble in

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<v Speaker 1>the second quarter, but health wise, he came out of

0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:51.120
<v Speaker 1>it no worse for wear, and he should be able

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<v Speaker 1>to practice the requisite amount of reps this week to

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<v Speaker 1>get ready to play the Rams, and hopefully, you know,

0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:01.280
<v Speaker 1>just having this first game dealing with you know, how

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<v Speaker 1>to play with the knee, dealing with it, managing it

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<v Speaker 1>the way he needs to manage it throughout the course

0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:09.520
<v Speaker 1>of the game. He's now been through that and now

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<v Speaker 1>it's just all I was looking forward, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's just getting back into where he was at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of last season. And certainly I thought that

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<v Speaker 2>was one of the brilliant things about what Jordan Love

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<v Speaker 2>did in that second half. We talked so much about

0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.200
<v Speaker 2>how impressive his numbers were and how well he played

0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:23.720
<v Speaker 2>during that, but he played a lot of that without

0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:26.160
<v Speaker 2>Christian Watson. He played a lot with it with some

0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:29.240
<v Speaker 2>injuries up front, and he still was the catalyst. He

0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:32.120
<v Speaker 2>was the constant. He was the guy that drove this offense.

0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:33.920
<v Speaker 2>That's where they need to get back to now, especially

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<v Speaker 2>if they're not going to have Watson for however amount

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<v Speaker 2>of time, especially if there's certain things, you know, Tucker

0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:40.760
<v Speaker 2>Craft has kind of been battling through a shoulder injury

0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:43.600
<v Speaker 2>when when the Chips were down last year, Jordan Love

0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.080
<v Speaker 2>was the one that was pulling everybody together. And to

0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:49.360
<v Speaker 2>have him back, I think you felt the energy with that.

0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:51.560
<v Speaker 2>Craft even mentioned just hearing him in the huddle Kite

0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:53.920
<v Speaker 2>gave them just a little bit more confidence knowing that

0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:56.440
<v Speaker 2>the field general is back out there. And I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>more importantly for me, it was just that second half

0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:02.400
<v Speaker 2>just seeing Jordan Love look like himself again. And you're right,

0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:04.440
<v Speaker 2>he probably felt it a little bit too much at times,

0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.440
<v Speaker 2>but seeing him hopping, seeing him looking downfield, see him

0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:11.280
<v Speaker 2>having that confidence, standing tall in the pocket, that's vintage

0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:14.360
<v Speaker 2>Jordan Love. That's who this quarterback is, you know. And

0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:16.160
<v Speaker 2>now seeing where they can bring this thing. I mean,

0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:20.040
<v Speaker 2>they lost to a very good Minnesota Vikings team. Now

0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:22.000
<v Speaker 2>they're going to be taking on and we'll previewed on Thursday,

0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:23.800
<v Speaker 2>but they're gonna be taking on an LA Rams team

0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:27.360
<v Speaker 2>that is one very narrow win over the forty nine

0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:29.440
<v Speaker 2>ers away from being oh to four. They're gonna be

0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:31.760
<v Speaker 2>facing an Arizona Cardinals team in their own house here

0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:35.120
<v Speaker 2>that has showed a lot of promise and explosivity with

0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:38.000
<v Speaker 2>their offense, but still is one in three and having

0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:41.560
<v Speaker 2>some stuff to come back from. So they got two

0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:44.600
<v Speaker 2>wins against the AFC, they got two losses against the NFC.

0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:47.360
<v Speaker 2>They're zero to one and what potentially could be the

0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:51.000
<v Speaker 2>best division in football this year. This is where you

0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:53.680
<v Speaker 2>need to be able to take what you did wrong,

0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:58.360
<v Speaker 2>shore up some of those details, and now become the

0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:00.960
<v Speaker 2>team and get together with these wins they ended up

0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:03.400
<v Speaker 2>getting late last season, but probably would have been a

0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:04.879
<v Speaker 2>little bit easier on them if they could have gotten

0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:06.200
<v Speaker 2>that together in October and November.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and and you know, I want to just touch

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<v Speaker 1>on this as well, because it's it's representative of kind

0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:16.040
<v Speaker 1>of how this game went. Aaron Jones makes his return

0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:19.600
<v Speaker 1>to lambeau Field. Twenty two carries for ninety three yards,

0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:24.280
<v Speaker 1>a pretty productive day. Doesn't get a touchdown, does you know,

0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:27.920
<v Speaker 1>his lambeau leap with some Viking fans after the game

0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:34.160
<v Speaker 1>is over. But those those twenty two carries, eight of them,

0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:37.359
<v Speaker 1>eight of the twenty two. The Packers held Jones to

0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:41.680
<v Speaker 1>one game or less zero or negative yardage the other

0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.359
<v Speaker 1>he got the essentially got the ninety three yards on

0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:47.160
<v Speaker 1>the other fourteen carries because there weren't a whole lot

0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.960
<v Speaker 1>of three and four yard runs. It was either zero

0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:53.200
<v Speaker 1>or one or he was busting out for twelve or fourteen.

0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:57.360
<v Speaker 1>So the whole feast or famine nature of the way

0:17:57.400 --> 0:17:59.880
<v Speaker 1>the Packers played run defense in this game was kind

0:17:59.920 --> 0:18:03.200
<v Speaker 1>of a microcosm of how everything went on all on

0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:08.199
<v Speaker 1>all sides of the ball here. And you know, you

0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:10.679
<v Speaker 1>don't want to have you don't want to be riding

0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:14.840
<v Speaker 1>that roller coaster and whatnot. But you know, I think

0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:17.919
<v Speaker 1>there's plenty, there's plenty to look at to correct, but

0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:21.360
<v Speaker 1>there's also plenty out there that shows the Packers, all right, yeah,

0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:23.560
<v Speaker 1>we can do this. We just have to just have

0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:26.520
<v Speaker 1>to do it more consistently and do it more often.

0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:28.000
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's what you have to try to

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<v Speaker 1>hang your hat on moving forward.

0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:32.879
<v Speaker 2>Air Zones won the football game, so that's that's paramount.

0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:35.320
<v Speaker 2>But he didn't beat the Packers, and that was the

0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:37.320
<v Speaker 2>goal of this thing. Andy Clark even said it when

0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:39.320
<v Speaker 2>I was talking to him afterwards in locker room. He

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<v Speaker 2>was almost kind of surprising how much they got away

0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:43.159
<v Speaker 2>from the screen game. They had some success with that

0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:45.520
<v Speaker 2>early and then that went away so when you were

0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:47.440
<v Speaker 2>talking about adjustments and all that, can even said, He's like,

0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:49.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's not like there was that many adjustments.

0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:50.840
<v Speaker 2>We defended the run pretty well. It was sort of

0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:52.720
<v Speaker 2>those screens that he was leaking out on early that

0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:54.280
<v Speaker 2>we were kind of having a hard time adjusting to,

0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:57.080
<v Speaker 2>and then the vikings just stopped. So for him to

0:18:57.119 --> 0:18:59.280
<v Speaker 2>go out of this game with a seventeen yard long

0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.440
<v Speaker 2>carrying four point two yards per carry, that's not why

0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:05.040
<v Speaker 2>the Packers lost this game. They lost it because they

0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:06.760
<v Speaker 2>got off to a very slow start and when they

0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:09.239
<v Speaker 2>needed that stop in the fourth quarter, they couldn't get it.

0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:11.200
<v Speaker 2>And again, I will say this one last time, because

0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:13.560
<v Speaker 2>you've had to read this in my inboxes a couple

0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:16.879
<v Speaker 2>times now. I give Kevin O'Connell a lot of credit

0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:18.800
<v Speaker 2>for how he handled that fourth quarter. Yep, there's a

0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.480
<v Speaker 2>lot of people, maybe even myself included, that would have

0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:25.119
<v Speaker 2>tucked tail and started running two yards into a brick

0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:28.240
<v Speaker 2>wall to protect the lead and to drain the clock.

0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:31.080
<v Speaker 2>He said, no, Sam Donald made a mistake. We're gonna

0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:33.160
<v Speaker 2>come out. We're gonna throw this thing. I have justin

0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Jefferson on my sideline. You're gonna get the ball to

0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:38.440
<v Speaker 2>our playmakers, and they shot downfield and got the three

0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:40.760
<v Speaker 2>points they needed ultimately to put this thing out of reach.

0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:43.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the bottom line is the Vikings are paying Justin

0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:45.800
<v Speaker 1>Jefferson thirty five million dollars and when the game and

0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:47.560
<v Speaker 1>when the game was on the line, even though they

0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:49.720
<v Speaker 1>had a lead, they could have milked the clock. It

0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:52.159
<v Speaker 1>was like, No, our thirty five million dollar man is

0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:53.920
<v Speaker 1>the guy who's gonna win this game, and we're gonna

0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:55.880
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna go to him. That's what we're paying him for.

0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:59.160
<v Speaker 1>And O'Connell just stayed aggressive, kept dialing it up and

0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:01.879
<v Speaker 1>they were able to at the twenty eight to twenty

0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:03.919
<v Speaker 1>two point, they were able to drive it down the

0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:06.640
<v Speaker 1>field mostly thanks to Jefferson, and get the field goal

0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:08.359
<v Speaker 1>that made it a two score game again. And then

0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:10.000
<v Speaker 1>the Packers were really playing uphill.

0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:12.160
<v Speaker 2>And it's one month. There's a lot of time to go.

0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:14.280
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, Sam Donald is making himself a lot

0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:15.840
<v Speaker 2>of money with the way he's playing right now. I

0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:18.639
<v Speaker 2>think Sam Donald is proving I go back to that

0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:22.240
<v Speaker 2>twenty eighteen draft and Sam Donald was my guy. That

0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:24.040
<v Speaker 2>was the one I thought when everyone was talking about

0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:26.240
<v Speaker 2>who are these five quarterbacks who could be the franchise guy.

0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:29.600
<v Speaker 2>I thought Sam Donald was the number one overall pick personally,

0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:32.399
<v Speaker 2>and it did not go well with the Jets. It

0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:35.360
<v Speaker 2>went even worse with the Panthers. And as we talked

0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:37.880
<v Speaker 2>about last week, he's pulled himself back together into being

0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:39.879
<v Speaker 2>a real playmaker and he made place. He had some

0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:43.399
<v Speaker 2>real big gaffs with some of those aid incompletions, but

0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:45.800
<v Speaker 2>he needed when this team needed him to make place,

0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:46.399
<v Speaker 2>he did it.

0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:49.080
<v Speaker 1>It's really interesting because then we mentioned this last week

0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:55.159
<v Speaker 1>as well. These quarterbacks, these quarterbacks who who fail early

0:20:55.359 --> 0:21:00.359
<v Speaker 1>become journeymen and then become these successful reclamation projects. The

0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:02.760
<v Speaker 1>main ones that come to mind right now being Sam Donald,

0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:06.280
<v Speaker 1>Baker Mayfield, and Gino Smiths. What do those guys have

0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:09.560
<v Speaker 1>in common? They were all really high draft picks for

0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:13.360
<v Speaker 1>a reason. Yep, right, I mean, so if they get

0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:16.280
<v Speaker 1>in the right situation with the right coaches, the right system,

0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:21.119
<v Speaker 1>coaches that can emphasize emphasize their strengths, and they have

0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:23.360
<v Speaker 1>the right kind of team around them. Mean all that,

0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:26.720
<v Speaker 1>it's all about the environment and whatnot, and those guys

0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:31.320
<v Speaker 1>can can take advantage. And we've we've seen those high

0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:35.480
<v Speaker 1>draft picks who look like total flame outs become really

0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:38.879
<v Speaker 1>really good quarterbacks for teams that are playing some pretty

0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:42.000
<v Speaker 1>good football right now. A couple of lingering issues with

0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:46.000
<v Speaker 1>the Packers that definitely need to be addressed moving forward.

0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:49.320
<v Speaker 1>The two the two that stand out to me that

0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:52.040
<v Speaker 1>are lingering are the issues in the kicking game with

0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:55.400
<v Speaker 1>narvice and missing two more field goals. That's five misses

0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:57.640
<v Speaker 1>including the one that was wiped out by the penalty

0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:01.360
<v Speaker 1>in Tennessee. Five miss field goals in four games. All

0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:05.160
<v Speaker 1>of the missed field goals under fifty yards. Packers have

0:22:05.240 --> 0:22:09.720
<v Speaker 1>to do better there. They're expressing their confidence in Narvice

0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:12.120
<v Speaker 1>and they want this young man to work through it.

0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:14.399
<v Speaker 1>They need to get more production when they send the

0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:17.400
<v Speaker 1>field goal unit on the field. The other lingering issue

0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:20.679
<v Speaker 1>is is penalties eight more in this game, most of

0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:22.840
<v Speaker 1>them in the first half. Packers played a lot cleaner

0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:25.880
<v Speaker 1>in the second half, but with eight penalties, that's now

0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:30.920
<v Speaker 1>thirty four penalties not including declined or offsetting thirty four

0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:33.840
<v Speaker 1>penalties and four games. Yeah, it's got to change. I

0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:37.439
<v Speaker 1>mean it's it's got to change for the Packers to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to be the team that they want to

0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:40.560
<v Speaker 1>and expect to.

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<v Speaker 2>Be yeah, and it's it was hard in this game

0:22:42.680 --> 0:22:44.640
<v Speaker 2>because I think they finished with eight for sixty eight

0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:46.560
<v Speaker 2>and five of them were in the first quarter.

0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:49.440
<v Speaker 1>And more of them defensively on one drive.

0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:52.080
<v Speaker 2>One drive, And that's that's going to make an impact

0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:54.320
<v Speaker 2>on things. So for Green Bay, I'm with you one

0:22:54.400 --> 0:22:59.000
<v Speaker 2>hundred percent. I mean, that's this, this roller coaster of ten, five, ten, eight.

0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:02.280
<v Speaker 2>You have to moved those waters out. And again that's

0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:04.920
<v Speaker 2>not that there's ever like one set blueprint for how

0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:07.400
<v Speaker 2>you win football games, but that's what the Packers did

0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:10.080
<v Speaker 2>really well when Mattlflor got here that first season. They

0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:13.359
<v Speaker 2>didn't put themselves in negative yardage situations. This offense is

0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:17.120
<v Speaker 2>five times more explosive today than it was in twenty nineteen.

0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:20.320
<v Speaker 2>But the twenty nineteen team was so methodical and so

0:23:20.359 --> 0:23:24.399
<v Speaker 2>successful because it negated the takeaway turnovers and it negated

0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:27.239
<v Speaker 2>the negative yardage plays as far as nervius. And this

0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:28.880
<v Speaker 2>is going to be a real quandary for the Packers

0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:31.480
<v Speaker 2>because I agree with Matt Lafleur and I agree with

0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:33.359
<v Speaker 2>Brian Goodikunz. This is the guy they went with. And

0:23:33.400 --> 0:23:35.440
<v Speaker 2>I said it to you the day that the Packers

0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:37.159
<v Speaker 2>made that decision We're going to cut our kickers and

0:23:37.160 --> 0:23:39.840
<v Speaker 2>we're going to claim this guy from Tennessee. That's a

0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:42.600
<v Speaker 2>big decision and you have to really take that decision

0:23:42.600 --> 0:23:44.239
<v Speaker 2>to heart as far as what your plan is going

0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:45.520
<v Speaker 2>to be and how you're going to proceed with this

0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:48.720
<v Speaker 2>young man. Anders Carlson had the full bandwidth of last season,

0:23:49.000 --> 0:23:50.840
<v Speaker 2>would have been interested to see how Green Bay would

0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:52.679
<v Speaker 2>have handled that if he hadn't gotten off to the

0:23:52.680 --> 0:23:55.080
<v Speaker 2>start that he did last year. He was very hot

0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:56.240
<v Speaker 2>for those first five games.

0:23:56.280 --> 0:23:56.399
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

0:23:57.520 --> 0:23:59.600
<v Speaker 2>But a lot of times when I said this to

0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:03.120
<v Speaker 2>you before to with Brian Goudikuntz, a lot of times

0:24:03.640 --> 0:24:06.280
<v Speaker 2>gms will get on themselves too much about moving on

0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:08.800
<v Speaker 2>from a kicker, moving on from a specialist. But the

0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:11.320
<v Speaker 2>reality is it is a performance based business and there

0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:13.840
<v Speaker 2>are guys you can bring in anywhere at any time

0:24:13.960 --> 0:24:16.080
<v Speaker 2>that can do the job without having to quote unquote

0:24:16.160 --> 0:24:21.320
<v Speaker 2>learn a playbook. So when you look at guys that

0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:24.360
<v Speaker 2>end up buying themselves time and end up earning opportunities

0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:27.240
<v Speaker 2>and becoming entrench kickers in this league, Michael, it's not

0:24:27.320 --> 0:24:29.640
<v Speaker 2>a big secret. It's usually because they made a boatload

0:24:29.640 --> 0:24:31.560
<v Speaker 2>of kicks right off the bat, and that's how they

0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:33.240
<v Speaker 2>did it. That's how that young man has done it

0:24:33.400 --> 0:24:37.040
<v Speaker 2>in Atlanta these last few years. So it's a tough

0:24:37.040 --> 0:24:39.000
<v Speaker 2>spot to be in. The Packers believe them. You and

0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:42.800
<v Speaker 2>I have seen the leg strength. It is prototypical leg strength.

0:24:43.359 --> 0:24:44.560
<v Speaker 2>But you got to put it through the upfarts.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you gotta make Oh hey, as Mason Crosby used

0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:49.480
<v Speaker 1>to say, my job is to make kicks.

0:24:49.520 --> 0:24:50.359
<v Speaker 2>My job is to make kick.

0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:52.440
<v Speaker 1>You said that for a lot of years.

0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:54.720
<v Speaker 2>Should be on his Packers' Hall of Fame plaque. Someday,

0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:57.399
<v Speaker 2>my job was to make kicks. I don't know if

0:24:57.400 --> 0:24:59.080
<v Speaker 2>we're wrapping this all up, so I want to say this.

0:24:59.280 --> 0:25:01.760
<v Speaker 2>I did not talk enough about Jayden Reid. I just

0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:03.680
<v Speaker 2>need to say this because I've written about it, We've

0:25:03.680 --> 0:25:07.280
<v Speaker 2>talked about it. I'm so happy. Matt Lafure mentioned at

0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:08.959
<v Speaker 2>his press conference on Monday he felt like he had

0:25:09.000 --> 0:25:12.280
<v Speaker 2>three outstanding catches in that game. My takeaway, and I

0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:13.800
<v Speaker 2>ended up doing it as my key to the game.

0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:16.919
<v Speaker 2>My takeaway was, and I don't I'm not. I'm the

0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:20.400
<v Speaker 2>last person that's going to label receivers, but I thought

0:25:20.480 --> 0:25:22.280
<v Speaker 2>Jayden Reid proved in this game that when the chips

0:25:22.320 --> 0:25:24.760
<v Speaker 2>are down, he's the guy you go to. And it's

0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:28.280
<v Speaker 2>not because always better than anybody else. The catches he made,

0:25:28.280 --> 0:25:31.320
<v Speaker 2>in the situations he made in his body positioning in

0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:33.200
<v Speaker 2>that game, whether it was in the middle of the

0:25:33.280 --> 0:25:36.760
<v Speaker 2>field and the backfield coming across the middle, Jaden Reid

0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:40.480
<v Speaker 2>showed that he he's not the Green Bay Packers Deebo Samuel.

0:25:40.520 --> 0:25:43.080
<v Speaker 2>He is the Green Bay Packers Jayden Reid. And this

0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:45.480
<v Speaker 2>young man, Tom Fanning cooked up the stat I don't

0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:46.880
<v Speaker 2>have it all in front of me, but his pro

0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:50.560
<v Speaker 2>production through his first twenty games in the National Football

0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:54.400
<v Speaker 2>League is almost unparallel. And when the Packers needed a playmaker,

0:25:54.400 --> 0:25:57.200
<v Speaker 2>when someone needed to step up, that man was Jayden

0:25:57.240 --> 0:25:58.720
<v Speaker 2>Reid and I don't think you can give him enough

0:25:58.720 --> 0:25:59.280
<v Speaker 2>flowers for that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be exciting to see where this goes.

0:26:02.480 --> 0:26:04.919
<v Speaker 1>We talked about it after the Brazil game, and I

0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:07.560
<v Speaker 1>think the word that I used at the time is electrifying.

0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:11.960
<v Speaker 1>He he is and the Packers have had some big

0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:15.160
<v Speaker 1>time playmakers here over the years. We've seen plenty of them,

0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:17.920
<v Speaker 1>but I don't think I've ever tagged the word electrifying

0:26:18.040 --> 0:26:22.480
<v Speaker 1>on anybody. He's there's there's a different presence to him

0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:26.159
<v Speaker 1>as a playmaker. He as you say, he's not the

0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:30.560
<v Speaker 1>Packers Deebo Samuel, He's he is his own He is

0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:33.040
<v Speaker 1>his own guy. And you can't compare him to anybody

0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:36.040
<v Speaker 1>in Packer's history either, you know, whether you're talking about

0:26:36.800 --> 0:26:39.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, some of the greatest playmakers that we've seen

0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:42.439
<v Speaker 1>this century in Green Bay. He's different. He's different, and

0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:45.480
<v Speaker 1>he's a he's a treat to watch. I will take

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0:27:13.160 --> 0:27:16.000
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0:27:16.359 --> 0:27:20.160
<v Speaker 1>where things stand right now, the Minnesota Vikings are four

0:27:20.200 --> 0:27:24.800
<v Speaker 1>and oh, the Detroit Lions with their quarterback going eighteen

0:27:24.880 --> 0:27:29.639
<v Speaker 1>for eighteen on Monday Night football, knowing completions and catching

0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:32.640
<v Speaker 1>a touchdown passive of his own from his wide receiver.

0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:35.760
<v Speaker 1>The Detroit Lions are three and one. They knocked off

0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:39.480
<v Speaker 1>the previously undefeated Seattle Seahawks who put up over five

0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:42.560
<v Speaker 1>hundred yards of offense and still lost by two touchdowns.

0:27:42.960 --> 0:27:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Go figure on that one. And then the Packers and

0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:49.399
<v Speaker 1>the Bears are both two and two. So if the

0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:52.800
<v Speaker 1>math is right in my head, four three two to two,

0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:58.600
<v Speaker 1>eleven and five, the NFC North collectively is eleven and

0:27:58.720 --> 0:28:02.760
<v Speaker 1>five after five weeks. That's pretty good, pretty good, And

0:28:03.080 --> 0:28:06.640
<v Speaker 1>there's only been one division game Powers and Vikings where

0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:09.960
<v Speaker 1>you get the automatic win, automatic loss for somebody. There's

0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:12.800
<v Speaker 1>only been one division game through four weeks in this division,

0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:15.560
<v Speaker 1>and the collective record of the division is eleven and five.

0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:18.159
<v Speaker 2>I think in this I'm going to bring this up

0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:21.240
<v Speaker 2>right now with my little pen because I want to

0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:26.280
<v Speaker 2>make sure I get this right. Eighteen completions on eighteen

0:28:26.320 --> 0:28:30.600
<v Speaker 2>attempts for two hundred and ninety two yards with two touchdowns.

0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:35.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Jared Goff and what he has done? How many

0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:39.280
<v Speaker 2>times this guy has been written off right from his

0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:42.840
<v Speaker 2>rookie year with Saint Louis to not being the guy

0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:44.040
<v Speaker 2>that can get the Rams over the.

0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:46.880
<v Speaker 1>Hump, even though he went they went to a super Bowl, even.

0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:49.480
<v Speaker 2>Though I went to Super Bowl with him, to becoming

0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:54.480
<v Speaker 2>what was believed to be a placeholder quarterback in Detroit,

0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:57.760
<v Speaker 2>to being a fifty three million dollars a year quarterback

0:28:57.760 --> 0:29:01.040
<v Speaker 2>that's playing the way he's playing right now. They're built, man,

0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:04.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm and around. Saint Brown made an absolute jaw dropping

0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:06.440
<v Speaker 2>catch in the end zone.

0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:07.960
<v Speaker 1>That that toe tap touchdown.

0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:11.560
<v Speaker 2>Man, that was Yeah, the referees couldn't even believe it. No,

0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:14.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean that that game won. In addition to being

0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:19.400
<v Speaker 2>a very electrifying, very exciting football game, it again spoke

0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:22.000
<v Speaker 2>to just how dangerous the Lions are.

0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:23.880
<v Speaker 1>All three, all four of.

0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:25.440
<v Speaker 2>These teams the NFC North, they are going to do

0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:27.760
<v Speaker 2>it differently this year. Yeah, it's gonna be really interesting

0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:30.479
<v Speaker 2>watching every single one of these battles between these teams

0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:34.320
<v Speaker 2>because they all do different things. Well, but I mean,

0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:35.800
<v Speaker 2>you look at what the Lions are doing and the

0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:38.080
<v Speaker 2>way they're built and how they've responded to how last

0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:42.000
<v Speaker 2>season ended for them, they are not to be trifled

0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:45.080
<v Speaker 2>with the one thing I will say though, Gino Smith,

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:49.160
<v Speaker 2>Kenneth Walker the third they did take it to that

0:29:49.240 --> 0:29:51.760
<v Speaker 2>defense a little bit and they had to, but.

0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:55.120
<v Speaker 1>They just they just couldn't finish drive. Yeah, you know,

0:29:55.200 --> 0:29:57.160
<v Speaker 1>when they were on the edge of field goal range,

0:29:57.200 --> 0:29:59.800
<v Speaker 1>they couldn't get into field goal range to make a kick.

0:30:00.200 --> 0:30:01.880
<v Speaker 1>And then you know late in the game when they're

0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:04.360
<v Speaker 1>going forward on fourth downs and whatnot, they couldn't get

0:30:04.680 --> 0:30:07.440
<v Speaker 1>the scores that they needed. They racked up over five

0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 1>hundred yards, but it was like, you know, most of

0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:14.360
<v Speaker 1>the times when they crossed midfield, they it felt like

0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:18.880
<v Speaker 1>they played the whole game Detroit territory. But Detroit's defense,

0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:21.880
<v Speaker 1>with its back against the wall on several drives, just

0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:25.880
<v Speaker 1>stood tall and got the job done to where the

0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:28.000
<v Speaker 1>point total ends up being what was it, twenty seven

0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:31.800
<v Speaker 1>or twenty nine or something like that, with over five

0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:34.360
<v Speaker 1>hundred yards of offense. The Detroit defense, for all the

0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:36.440
<v Speaker 1>yards they gave up, they still got a lot of

0:30:36.440 --> 0:30:39.520
<v Speaker 1>stops and that was really the difference in the game.

0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:41.720
<v Speaker 2>The one thing working against green Bay too, is they're

0:30:41.760 --> 0:30:44.240
<v Speaker 2>gonna have to basically play probably two track meets against

0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:46.080
<v Speaker 2>the Lions this season. They don't get a real cold

0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:49.480
<v Speaker 2>weather game against them, so it's gonna be exciting.

0:30:49.800 --> 0:30:52.120
<v Speaker 1>The Packers are gonna see Geno Smith and the Seahawks

0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:52.640
<v Speaker 1>later on.

0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:54.840
<v Speaker 2>This they will, Yeah, Gino Smith is kind of in

0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:57.280
<v Speaker 2>a similar boat, almost, kind of where Jordan Love has

0:30:57.280 --> 0:30:59.080
<v Speaker 2>been at, where he's made some really good plays, but

0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:02.120
<v Speaker 2>the turnovers and hard to overcome for them at this point.

0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:05.080
<v Speaker 2>And defensively again, it's just it's.

0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:07.479
<v Speaker 1>They were they were banged up on defense going in.

0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:09.920
<v Speaker 1>They knew they were kind of up against it defensively,

0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:12.760
<v Speaker 1>and and the Lions really took advantage of the Seahawks

0:31:12.760 --> 0:31:13.600
<v Speaker 1>missing some keepee.

0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:15.720
<v Speaker 2>And I was already in bed at this point when

0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:18.360
<v Speaker 2>you texted me. I was getting my beauty rest.

0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:21.000
<v Speaker 1>But when I didn't get a response, I figured you

0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:22.360
<v Speaker 1>must have you must have turned in.

0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:24.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, I you know, I think I turned on some

0:31:24.560 --> 0:31:27.239
<v Speaker 2>Netflix and I'm like laying in my bed. But I

0:31:27.640 --> 0:31:31.400
<v Speaker 2>will say you're right in your assessment where it's like defense, man,

0:31:31.560 --> 0:31:34.080
<v Speaker 2>if you can get it in this league, great, But boy,

0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:36.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying it's optional. But there's games like this

0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:39.080
<v Speaker 2>where it's like, okay, which offense isn't gonna make as

0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:40.600
<v Speaker 2>many mistakes is really what it comes to.

0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:44.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's sometimes. That's the way these games. Uh, that's

0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:46.440
<v Speaker 1>the way these games go. Well with that, we'll call

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<v Speaker 1>out a wrap on this edition of Packers unscript ma'd

0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:50.720
<v Speaker 1>be sure to follow all of our coverage of the

0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:54.040
<v Speaker 1>team on Packers dot com. For Wes, I'm Mike. Thank

0:31:54.080 --> 0:31:56.720
<v Speaker 1>you for tuning in everybody. We will see you next time.