1 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 3 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: by my partner in crime, Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to 4 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: you here from our studios at lambeau Field to discuss, unfortunately, 5 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: Wes a thirty one to twenty nine loss at the 6 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: hands of the Minnesota Vikings last Sunday. And I'm just 7 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: going to start by saying this. This is my nineteenth 8 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: season covering Thepackers for Packers dot Com, and my days 9 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: of covering Packers games extends back mid nineties, late nineties, 10 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:55,279 Speaker 1: early two thousands before I got here. That game, if 11 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: it's not the most bizarre football game I have seen, 12 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: it definitely ranks up there. That was just a weird 13 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: football game. 14 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've definitely put it in my top five. The 15 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: twenty thirteen Matt Flynn replacing Scott Tolzene and then them 16 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: tying the Vikings is pretty high on my list. 17 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that one was theizar for sure. 18 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: And then two weeks later Matt Flynn leading a twenty 19 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 2: three point a halftime comeback was kind of weird. On 20 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 2: the road, No lo on the road and then obviously 21 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 2: for me it's the Hail Mary game in Detroit. Those 22 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 2: are like the Krem Dala Krem. This is right underneath 23 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 2: that in terms of just the peculiarity of it. I mean, 24 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 2: like I it was one of those games too, that 25 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 2: the game got over with and I'm standing there waiting 26 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 2: to get in the locker room. You go to the 27 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 2: auditorium for Matt and Jordan's pressers, I'm standing outside getting 28 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 2: my notes together for the availability, and I'm like, I 29 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 2: didn't know how to make heads or tails of that game, because, Okay, 30 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 2: it could have went one of two ways here. The 31 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 2: Packers could have won, which was completely on the table 32 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 2: in the second half, yes, and they also could have 33 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 2: gotten completely blown out when they were down twenty eight 34 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 2: to nothing, it seemed like nothing could go right. It 35 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 2: ends up being a thirty one twenty nine game, which 36 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 2: is just sort of the weirdest outcome possible in a 37 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 2: game in which the Packers had real chances to win 38 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: late in the fourth quarters. But all that put together, 39 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 2: I looked at it this way as I laid my 40 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 2: head down to go to bed on Sunday night, I'm like, 41 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 2: if you were ever gonna have a quote unquote I'm 42 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: not calling at this because I know fans will go nuts, 43 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 2: but that preseason type game, allowing Jordan Love just to 44 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 2: get into a rhythm and find himself a little bit 45 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 2: and just get the throws out and get the rust off, 46 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 2: that was kind of it. Yeah, he found Jayden Reid. 47 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 2: He had some really nice throws to Dontavian Wicks. The 48 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 2: defense did some good things. It wasn't good enough to win, 49 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 2: and the Packers have a vast amount of corrections to make. 50 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 2: But by and large, I left that game for as 51 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 2: bad as I felt about it prior to Daniel Wheeland's 52 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 2: punt in the second quarter. Yeah, I walked out of 53 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 2: that game being like, all right, these guys are gonna 54 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 2: be fine. 55 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, That's the thing is is up until the Vikings 56 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: gave the Packers that gift with the muff punt late 57 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: in the first half that allowed for the Packers to 58 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: get a touchdown before halftime and to stay at least 59 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: within shouting distance of the Vikings going into the third quarter. 60 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: Up until that point, at with a twenty eight to 61 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: nothing score, there was just absolutely nothing that went right 62 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: for Green Bay. The defense gave up the three consecutive 63 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: touchdowns on Minnesota's first three possessions, and that included, you know, 64 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: allowing a third and fourteen on the opening drive after 65 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: a potential interception was dropped, then on the next two 66 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: touchdown drives, if the Packers defense even got them in 67 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: third down, it might have been third and one or 68 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: third and two. They never even felt like they had 69 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: a legitimate chance to get off the field offensively. The 70 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: first four possessions in whatever order result in two missed 71 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: field goals and two interceptions, so it really doesn't get 72 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: too much worse than that, and the second interception then 73 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: sets up Minnesota's fourth touchdown with a short field. They 74 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: punch it in twenty eight to zero. It was just 75 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: a case of, you know, if something could go wrong, 76 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: it did, and then, as this crazy NFL works from 77 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: that point, suddenly, with roughly ten minutes left in the 78 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: fourth quarter, the score is twenty eight to twenty two. 79 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: The Lambeau crowd is into it, and the Packers have 80 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: a legitimate chance to pull off what would have been 81 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: the biggest comeback in franchise history, which is twenty three points. 82 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 1: It's been done twice, a comeback from twenty eight points, 83 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: but the Vikings settled things down. They did what they 84 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: needed to do. The Packers then reverted to making mistakes 85 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: a couple of more turnovers in the fourth quarter when 86 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: the game was still within reach. It's hard to make 87 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: head or tail of it, but I'm with you in that. 88 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: For as awful as things were for pretty much the 89 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: entire first half, you left that game saying, oh, okay, 90 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: it's a tough loss. It stinks, there's all kinds of 91 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: stuff to work on. The Packers are going to be okay. 92 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 1: Here was This was not just a complete and total 93 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: utter collapse against a division rival. They stood up, they 94 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: fought back, They gave themselves a chance. It didn't work out, 95 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: and Minnesota is sitting on top of the NFC North 96 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: at four and oh the only undefeated team in the 97 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: nf sound right now. The only other undefeated team in 98 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: the league is the defending Super Bowl champion Kansas City Chiefs. 99 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: But it's you know, it's pretty simple to just say, 100 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: all right, you know, you get back to work, get 101 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: your work done, get on the plane, go to LA 102 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: and try to chalk up win number three. That's all 103 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: this week is about. 104 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 2: That's what it is. It's trying to correct what you 105 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 2: need to correct. The Packers are one month into this thing, 106 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 2: I wrote Insider inbox, they're two and two. They're sitting 107 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: in the same boat they were last year. But this 108 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 2: team is much better than they were three hundred and 109 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 2: sixty five days ago. The offense is more explosive. Jordan 110 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 2: Love is so much more confident, albeit somewhat hobbled with 111 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: this knee going into this game. And then defensively, I 112 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 2: think there's been some real bright spots. I mean, it 113 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: was not an encouraging start. Sam Darnold was way too comfortable. 114 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 2: They had way too much success. But you know, whether 115 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 2: it was you know what you might have missed or 116 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: some of the other you know, different types of film 117 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 2: review stuff that's out there, I mean, you give credit 118 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 2: to what Kevin O'Connell did. I mean they did a 119 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 2: lot structurally with their offensive linement, a lot with their 120 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 2: overall philosophy of offense to be able to get into 121 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 2: that rhythm that they did early on. It wasn't just 122 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 2: like okay, there was breakdown after breakdown. It was a 123 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 2: dropped interception that could have shifted tied with isamh McDuffie absolutely, 124 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 2: it was Naylor. I believe it was leaking out on 125 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 2: third and fourteen and being able to get the first down, 126 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: and then after that, it just seemed like the Packers 127 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: couldn't catch a break there for about the next twenty 128 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 2: five minutes. Yea, once they did, once they slowed things down, 129 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: you started to see the team that we saw in Nashville. 130 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 2: The problem is is that when you're playing from behind 131 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 2: like that, you have to take more chances with the football. 132 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 2: You're not going to run the ball as the way 133 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 2: you want to. And in Tucker Crawt trying to make 134 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 2: a play ends of fumbling, you know, with a really 135 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 2: nice play by Byron Murphins Jr. That's that's the that's 136 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 2: the precarious position you're in when you're playing from behind. 137 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 2: And the Packers just weren't. They set themselves so far 138 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 2: back from the cart it was hard getting that thing 139 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 2: reattached to pull out a victory. 140 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean a few thoughts defensively. 141 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 2: One. 142 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: The Packers were in a tough spot going in when 143 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: they found out on Friday that jy R. Alexander couldn't 144 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: practice groin injury was added to the injury report. He 145 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: was already on the report with a quad injury, but 146 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: he had been limited in practice. Then the groin pops up. 147 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: Lafleur actually then said after the game it happened during 148 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: Thursday's practice. He wasn't able to practice on Friday, he 149 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: was out for the game. Carrington Valentine was also out. 150 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: So the Packers are going into this game when you've 151 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: got Justin Jefferson on the other side, and two of 152 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: your top four cornerbacks are on the sideline. The only 153 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: the two of your top four who are available are 154 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: Eric Stokes and Keishawn Nixon. Nixon being mostly a slot guy, 155 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: but then he gets playing you know, some boundary corner. 156 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: And I think that the situation in the secondary and 157 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: the fact that Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison are pretty 158 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: darn good pair of receivers, I think that influenced jeff 159 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: Halfley trying to stick with the foreman rush. He didn't 160 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: want to really come after Darnald and make from a 161 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: numbers perspective, the secondary and the coverage that much more vulnerable, 162 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: and the fore man rush just couldn't get there. This is, 163 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: to me, this is an example of the once you 164 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: get into a season there are things that are on 165 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: tape and other teams are going to be prepared. 166 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 2: Yep. 167 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: We have seen through the first three weeks of the 168 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: season the Packers' defensive front four, and they've had a 169 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: good rotation using lots of different guys. But whoever's been 170 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: out there, they've been when they do a straight foreman rush, 171 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: they've been doing a lot of stunts, a lot of 172 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: a lot of you know, guys cutting inside, trying to 173 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: essentially run like a pick play type of thing within 174 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: the defensive line to freeze somebody up. And the Vikings 175 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 1: just looked like they were prepared for every single one 176 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: of those that the Packers tried to run with the 177 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: fore men rush. They were picking everything up, they were 178 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: executing their pass protection, and the Packers only really were 179 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: able to harass Darnold a couple of times in the 180 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: second half when they did bring the extra pressure. So 181 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: Packers were kind of behind the eight ball defensively with 182 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: the laid injury to Alexander and then things with what 183 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: they were planning just didn't really work out and the 184 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: snowball started running downhill. That said, Xavier McKinney keeps points 185 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: off the board with his fourth interception in four games. 186 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: Kuway Walker comes on a blitz and gets a thirteen 187 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: yard sack that leads to that leads to a punt 188 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: for the Vikings, and Keyshawn Nixon comes off the slot 189 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: on the blind side. The Vikings don't pick it up. 190 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: You get the sack fumble and that's you know, leads 191 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: to a touchdown that gets the Packers back into the game. 192 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: So the defense made some big plays, but the Vikings 193 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: were just in command for so long and building that 194 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: twenty eight point lead that the way everything ultimately ultimately unfolded, 195 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: it was too little, too late. 196 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 2: A couple things stood out to me when I was 197 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 2: reviewing this game. One, they were not gonna let Kenny 198 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 2: Clark wreck this game for them. The amount of help 199 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 2: that they gave Garrett Bradberry, the amount of help and 200 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 2: chipping they did on the edges. You have to make 201 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 2: a play. I'm not saying you don't. I mean defensive linemen, 202 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 2: defensive edge rushers. You still have to find a way 203 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: to generate pressure to create opportunities for yourself. But the 204 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 2: thing about you talk about the Packers and how they 205 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 2: have to adjust to having Justin Jefferson out there in 206 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 2: Jordan Addison, the benefit for the Minnesota Vikings is when 207 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 2: you have weapons like that that people have to pay 208 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: so much attention to, there's things you can do in 209 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 2: your offensive front to be able to compensate for that. 210 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: Green Bay eventually did start to find answers in the 211 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: second half. This is something I brought up on Twitter. 212 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:53,719 Speaker 2: Some people had mentioned to me. This is something that 213 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 2: Sean McVay has been doing in LA. I have not 214 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 2: been privy to it, but this idea of basically lining 215 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 2: up your running back a yard in front of your 216 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 2: quarterback and shotgun. That's a thing to kind of take 217 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 2: away the eight gap blitzes and some of the pressure inside. 218 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 2: But then Jeff Haffley had the right call to defend 219 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 2: against that when he sent Keyshawn Nixon on that blitz 220 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 2: right off the edge, right off the strong side edge, 221 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 2: and it leads to a big play. They started to 222 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 2: find the answers. I think kay Walker this game was 223 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 2: a perfect embodiment of the type of player Kway Walker 224 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 2: can be in this defense when used appropriately. Edgeran Cooper 225 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 2: gets a fumble recovery off of the Keyshawn Nixon play. 226 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 2: There were a lot of positives to show to. But again, 227 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 2: when you fall behind twenty to nothing, there's certain things 228 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 2: that are going to go against you. The Packers ran 229 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 2: seventy six offensive plays in this game. They actually ended 230 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 2: up dominating tom of possession like I talked about, but 231 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 2: it's because of the interceptions, it's because of the turnovers. 232 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 2: The Packers can clean some of those things up. If 233 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 2: they can avoid five penalties in the first quarter. There 234 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 2: are opportunities here for them to really become a very 235 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 2: good football team. 236 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: Hopefully. 237 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 2: Jordan Love being back in the lineup, getting his comfort level, 238 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 2: getting his timing back with his receivers as of help. 239 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: But as we saw, Mike, don you know, whether it's 240 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 2: Christian Watson getting injured or DeVante Wyat going down with 241 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 2: the ankle, there's still going to be adversity that Green 242 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 2: Bay is going to have to respond to and and 243 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 2: seeing how guys step up to that, it's going to 244 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 2: be the real challenge. 245 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was an interesting game for Jordan Love. He's 246 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: he comes back after missing two games with the knee injury. 247 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: He's playing with the brace on his left knee, and 248 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: you could see in the early going, and he admitted 249 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: it himself his accuracy was a little bit off. The 250 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: throws were not quite there. Some of them were still catchable. 251 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: The passes could have been better, the catches still could 252 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 1: have been made. And the packers were you know, they 253 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: were were struggling there stalling out. Vikings made My Vikings 254 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: made a really good play the middle. The middle linebacker 255 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: made a really good play on the first interception, you 256 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: know where he basically read Love's eyes, and instead of 257 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: staying with the tight end who was running the deep 258 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: the deep scene kind of the go down the middle, 259 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: who was supposed to clear out that middle linebacker, he 260 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: stayed home because he saw that Love was going to 261 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: try to go to Christian Watson there. Unfortunately, then Watson 262 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: gets hurt on that play, and he's going to be 263 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: out for at least a little while here. The second 264 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: interception for Love, I thought was I mean, it was 265 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: bad luck. It was bad luck for Love. The route 266 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: combination wasn't run quite right, and so then Musgrave didn't 267 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: realize the throw wasn't intended for him, It was intended 268 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: for Dobbs behind him. It ends up getting deflected twice 269 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: and then picked off. But then Love started to settle 270 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: down the accuracy started to come around. They're moving the 271 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 1: ball and getting some things done. But then he almost 272 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: starts feeling it a little bit too much. Yeah, because 273 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: then when it's thirty one to twenty two, about six 274 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: minutes to go, and it's a first down, and he 275 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: responds to the blitz off the edge by Harrison Smith 276 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: by trying to take the shot deep down the field 277 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: one on one for Wis against Murphy, and Wicks really 278 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: had no chance to catch that ball. So you know, 279 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: like I say, almost almost feeling a little bit too good, 280 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: tries to make too much of a hero play, and 281 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: that towards the comeback effort. In the end, it was 282 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: it was a little bit of everything game. I mean, 283 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: Jordan Love set career highs across the board completions, attempts, 284 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: the three hundred and eighty nine yards, the four touchdowns, 285 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: also tied his career high with three interceptions, so kind 286 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: of all over the board there. The best news about 287 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: it is that is that one from a health standpoint, 288 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: he looked better as the game went up, and he 289 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: looked like he settled in and from everything that we've heard, 290 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: other than the knee being sore, which is to be expected, 291 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: He did take a hit on the one scramble in 292 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: the second quarter, but health wise, he came out of 293 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: it no worse for wear, and he should be able 294 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: to practice the requisite amount of reps this week to 295 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: get ready to play the Rams, and hopefully, you know, 296 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: just having this first game dealing with you know, how 297 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: to play with the knee, dealing with it, managing it 298 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: the way he needs to manage it throughout the course 299 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: of the game. He's now been through that and now 300 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: it's just all I was looking forward, Yeah. 301 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 2: And it's just getting back into where he was at 302 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 2: the end of last season. And certainly I thought that 303 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 2: was one of the brilliant things about what Jordan Love 304 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 2: did in that second half. We talked so much about 305 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 2: how impressive his numbers were and how well he played 306 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 2: during that, but he played a lot of that without 307 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 2: Christian Watson. He played a lot with it with some 308 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 2: injuries up front, and he still was the catalyst. He 309 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: was the constant. He was the guy that drove this offense. 310 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 2: That's where they need to get back to now, especially 311 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 2: if they're not going to have Watson for however amount 312 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 2: of time, especially if there's certain things, you know, Tucker 313 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 2: Craft has kind of been battling through a shoulder injury 314 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 2: when when the Chips were down last year, Jordan Love 315 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 2: was the one that was pulling everybody together. And to 316 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 2: have him back, I think you felt the energy with that. 317 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 2: Craft even mentioned just hearing him in the huddle Kite 318 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 2: gave them just a little bit more confidence knowing that 319 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 2: the field general is back out there. And I thought, 320 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 2: more importantly for me, it was just that second half 321 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 2: just seeing Jordan Love look like himself again. And you're right, 322 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 2: he probably felt it a little bit too much at times, 323 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 2: but seeing him hopping, seeing him looking downfield, see him 324 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 2: having that confidence, standing tall in the pocket, that's vintage 325 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 2: Jordan Love. That's who this quarterback is, you know. And 326 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 2: now seeing where they can bring this thing. I mean, 327 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 2: they lost to a very good Minnesota Vikings team. Now 328 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 2: they're going to be taking on and we'll previewed on Thursday, 329 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 2: but they're gonna be taking on an LA Rams team 330 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 2: that is one very narrow win over the forty nine 331 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 2: ers away from being oh to four. They're gonna be 332 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 2: facing an Arizona Cardinals team in their own house here 333 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 2: that has showed a lot of promise and explosivity with 334 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 2: their offense, but still is one in three and having 335 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 2: some stuff to come back from. So they got two 336 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 2: wins against the AFC, they got two losses against the NFC. 337 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 2: They're zero to one and what potentially could be the 338 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 2: best division in football this year. This is where you 339 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 2: need to be able to take what you did wrong, 340 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 2: shore up some of those details, and now become the 341 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 2: team and get together with these wins they ended up 342 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 2: getting late last season, but probably would have been a 343 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 2: little bit easier on them if they could have gotten 344 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 2: that together in October and November. 345 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and and you know, I want to just touch 346 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: on this as well, because it's it's representative of kind 347 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: of how this game went. Aaron Jones makes his return 348 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: to lambeau Field. Twenty two carries for ninety three yards, 349 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: a pretty productive day. Doesn't get a touchdown, does you know, 350 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: his lambeau leap with some Viking fans after the game 351 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: is over. But those those twenty two carries, eight of them, 352 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: eight of the twenty two. The Packers held Jones to 353 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: one game or less zero or negative yardage the other 354 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: he got the essentially got the ninety three yards on 355 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: the other fourteen carries because there weren't a whole lot 356 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: of three and four yard runs. It was either zero 357 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: or one or he was busting out for twelve or fourteen. 358 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 1: So the whole feast or famine nature of the way 359 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 1: the Packers played run defense in this game was kind 360 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: of a microcosm of how everything went on all on 361 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: all sides of the ball here. And you know, you 362 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 1: don't want to have you don't want to be riding 363 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: that roller coaster and whatnot. But you know, I think 364 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 1: there's plenty, there's plenty to look at to correct, but 365 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 1: there's also plenty out there that shows the Packers, all right, yeah, 366 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: we can do this. We just have to just have 367 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: to do it more consistently and do it more often. 368 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: And I think that's what you have to try to 369 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: hang your hat on moving forward. 370 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 2: Air Zones won the football game, so that's that's paramount. 371 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 2: But he didn't beat the Packers, and that was the 372 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 2: goal of this thing. Andy Clark even said it when 373 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 2: I was talking to him afterwards in locker room. He 374 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 2: was almost kind of surprising how much they got away 375 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 2: from the screen game. They had some success with that 376 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 2: early and then that went away so when you were 377 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 2: talking about adjustments and all that, can even said, He's like, 378 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 2: you know, it's not like there was that many adjustments. 379 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 2: We defended the run pretty well. It was sort of 380 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 2: those screens that he was leaking out on early that 381 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 2: we were kind of having a hard time adjusting to, 382 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 2: and then the vikings just stopped. So for him to 383 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 2: go out of this game with a seventeen yard long 384 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 2: carrying four point two yards per carry, that's not why 385 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 2: the Packers lost this game. They lost it because they 386 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 2: got off to a very slow start and when they 387 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,239 Speaker 2: needed that stop in the fourth quarter, they couldn't get it. 388 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 2: And again, I will say this one last time, because 389 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 2: you've had to read this in my inboxes a couple 390 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 2: times now. I give Kevin O'Connell a lot of credit 391 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 2: for how he handled that fourth quarter. Yep, there's a 392 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 2: lot of people, maybe even myself included, that would have 393 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 2: tucked tail and started running two yards into a brick 394 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 2: wall to protect the lead and to drain the clock. 395 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 2: He said, no, Sam Donald made a mistake. We're gonna 396 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 2: come out. We're gonna throw this thing. I have justin 397 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 2: Jefferson on my sideline. You're gonna get the ball to 398 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 2: our playmakers, and they shot downfield and got the three 399 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 2: points they needed ultimately to put this thing out of reach. 400 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, the bottom line is the Vikings are paying Justin 401 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: Jefferson thirty five million dollars and when the game and 402 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: when the game was on the line, even though they 403 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: had a lead, they could have milked the clock. It 404 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: was like, No, our thirty five million dollar man is 405 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: the guy who's gonna win this game, and we're gonna 406 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 1: We're gonna go to him. That's what we're paying him for. 407 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: And O'Connell just stayed aggressive, kept dialing it up and 408 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: they were able to at the twenty eight to twenty 409 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 1: two point, they were able to drive it down the 410 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 1: field mostly thanks to Jefferson, and get the field goal 411 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 1: that made it a two score game again. And then 412 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: the Packers were really playing uphill. 413 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 2: And it's one month. There's a lot of time to go. 414 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 2: But I mean, Sam Donald is making himself a lot 415 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 2: of money with the way he's playing right now. I 416 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 2: think Sam Donald is proving I go back to that 417 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 2: twenty eighteen draft and Sam Donald was my guy. That 418 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 2: was the one I thought when everyone was talking about 419 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 2: who are these five quarterbacks who could be the franchise guy. 420 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 2: I thought Sam Donald was the number one overall pick personally, 421 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 2: and it did not go well with the Jets. It 422 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 2: went even worse with the Panthers. And as we talked 423 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 2: about last week, he's pulled himself back together into being 424 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 2: a real playmaker and he made place. He had some 425 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 2: real big gaffs with some of those aid incompletions, but 426 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 2: he needed when this team needed him to make place, 427 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 2: he did it. 428 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: It's really interesting because then we mentioned this last week 429 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 1: as well. These quarterbacks, these quarterbacks who who fail early 430 00:20:55,359 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: become journeymen and then become these successful reclamation projects. The 431 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: main ones that come to mind right now being Sam Donald, 432 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, and Gino Smiths. What do those guys have 433 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: in common? They were all really high draft picks for 434 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 1: a reason. Yep, right, I mean, so if they get 435 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: in the right situation with the right coaches, the right system, 436 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: coaches that can emphasize emphasize their strengths, and they have 437 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 1: the right kind of team around them. Mean all that, 438 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: it's all about the environment and whatnot, and those guys 439 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: can can take advantage. And we've we've seen those high 440 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: draft picks who look like total flame outs become really 441 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: really good quarterbacks for teams that are playing some pretty 442 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: good football right now. A couple of lingering issues with 443 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: the Packers that definitely need to be addressed moving forward. 444 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: The two the two that stand out to me that 445 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: are lingering are the issues in the kicking game with 446 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 1: narvice and missing two more field goals. That's five misses 447 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: including the one that was wiped out by the penalty 448 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 1: in Tennessee. Five miss field goals in four games. All 449 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: of the missed field goals under fifty yards. Packers have 450 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: to do better there. They're expressing their confidence in Narvice 451 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 1: and they want this young man to work through it. 452 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: They need to get more production when they send the 453 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 1: field goal unit on the field. The other lingering issue 454 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 1: is is penalties eight more in this game, most of 455 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: them in the first half. Packers played a lot cleaner 456 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: in the second half, but with eight penalties, that's now 457 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: thirty four penalties not including declined or offsetting thirty four 458 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: penalties and four games. Yeah, it's got to change. I 459 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: mean it's it's got to change for the Packers to 460 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: be able to be the team that they want to 461 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: and expect to. 462 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 2: Be yeah, and it's it was hard in this game 463 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 2: because I think they finished with eight for sixty eight 464 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 2: and five of them were in the first quarter. 465 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: And more of them defensively on one drive. 466 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 2: One drive, And that's that's going to make an impact 467 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 2: on things. So for Green Bay, I'm with you one 468 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 2: hundred percent. I mean, that's this, this roller coaster of ten, five, ten, eight. 469 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 2: You have to moved those waters out. And again that's 470 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 2: not that there's ever like one set blueprint for how 471 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 2: you win football games, but that's what the Packers did 472 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 2: really well when Mattlflor got here that first season. They 473 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 2: didn't put themselves in negative yardage situations. This offense is 474 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 2: five times more explosive today than it was in twenty nineteen. 475 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 2: But the twenty nineteen team was so methodical and so 476 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 2: successful because it negated the takeaway turnovers and it negated 477 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,239 Speaker 2: the negative yardage plays as far as nervius. And this 478 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 2: is going to be a real quandary for the Packers 479 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 2: because I agree with Matt Lafleur and I agree with 480 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 2: Brian Goodikunz. This is the guy they went with. And 481 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 2: I said it to you the day that the Packers 482 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 2: made that decision We're going to cut our kickers and 483 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 2: we're going to claim this guy from Tennessee. That's a 484 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 2: big decision and you have to really take that decision 485 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,239 Speaker 2: to heart as far as what your plan is going 486 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 2: to be and how you're going to proceed with this 487 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 2: young man. Anders Carlson had the full bandwidth of last season, 488 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 2: would have been interested to see how Green Bay would 489 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 2: have handled that if he hadn't gotten off to the 490 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 2: start that he did last year. He was very hot 491 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 2: for those first five games. 492 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: Yep. 493 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 2: But a lot of times when I said this to 494 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 2: you before to with Brian Goudikuntz, a lot of times 495 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 2: gms will get on themselves too much about moving on 496 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 2: from a kicker, moving on from a specialist. But the 497 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 2: reality is it is a performance based business and there 498 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 2: are guys you can bring in anywhere at any time 499 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: that can do the job without having to quote unquote 500 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 2: learn a playbook. So when you look at guys that 501 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 2: end up buying themselves time and end up earning opportunities 502 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 2: and becoming entrench kickers in this league, Michael, it's not 503 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 2: a big secret. It's usually because they made a boatload 504 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 2: of kicks right off the bat, and that's how they 505 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 2: did it. That's how that young man has done it 506 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 2: in Atlanta these last few years. So it's a tough 507 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 2: spot to be in. The Packers believe them. You and 508 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 2: I have seen the leg strength. It is prototypical leg strength. 509 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 2: But you got to put it through the upfarts. 510 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta make Oh hey, as Mason Crosby used 511 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: to say, my job is to make kicks. 512 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 2: My job is to make kick. 513 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: You said that for a lot of years. 514 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 2: Should be on his Packers' Hall of Fame plaque. Someday, 515 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 2: my job was to make kicks. I don't know if 516 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 2: we're wrapping this all up, so I want to say this. 517 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 2: I did not talk enough about Jayden Reid. I just 518 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 2: need to say this because I've written about it, We've 519 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 2: talked about it. I'm so happy. Matt Lafure mentioned at 520 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:08,959 Speaker 2: his press conference on Monday he felt like he had 521 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 2: three outstanding catches in that game. My takeaway, and I 522 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 2: ended up doing it as my key to the game. 523 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 2: My takeaway was, and I don't I'm not. I'm the 524 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 2: last person that's going to label receivers, but I thought 525 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 2: Jayden Reid proved in this game that when the chips 526 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 2: are down, he's the guy you go to. And it's 527 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 2: not because always better than anybody else. The catches he made, 528 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 2: in the situations he made in his body positioning in 529 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 2: that game, whether it was in the middle of the 530 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 2: field and the backfield coming across the middle, Jaden Reid 531 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 2: showed that he he's not the Green Bay Packers Deebo Samuel. 532 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 2: He is the Green Bay Packers Jayden Reid. And this 533 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 2: young man, Tom Fanning cooked up the stat I don't 534 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 2: have it all in front of me, but his pro 535 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 2: production through his first twenty games in the National Football 536 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 2: League is almost unparallel. And when the Packers needed a playmaker, 537 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 2: when someone needed to step up, that man was Jayden 538 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 2: Reid and I don't think you can give him enough 539 00:25:58,720 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 2: flowers for that. 540 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: It's going to be exciting to see where this goes. 541 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 1: We talked about it after the Brazil game, and I 542 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: think the word that I used at the time is electrifying. 543 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: He he is and the Packers have had some big 544 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 1: time playmakers here over the years. We've seen plenty of them, 545 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: but I don't think I've ever tagged the word electrifying 546 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: on anybody. He's there's there's a different presence to him 547 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 1: as a playmaker. He as you say, he's not the 548 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: Packers Deebo Samuel, He's he is his own He is 549 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: his own guy. And you can't compare him to anybody 550 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: in Packer's history either, you know, whether you're talking about 551 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: you know, some of the greatest playmakers that we've seen 552 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 1: this century in Green Bay. He's different. He's different, and 553 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: he's a he's a treat to watch. I will take 554 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: care of sponsor business here and then I'm just going 555 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: to get one more thought from you before we go serious. 556 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: XMNFL Radio delivers hard hitting analysis and up to the 557 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: NFL news that true football fanatics need twenty four to seven, 558 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: three sixty five and at Cousin Subbs, we have something 559 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: for everyone like our Wisconsin cheese curds, mac and cheese, 560 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: golden fries, and creamy shakes, all paired with your favorite 561 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 1: sub or sub and a bowl Cousin Subs fifty plus 562 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: years of better. You said it earlier in the show, 563 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: the NFC North might be the best division in football 564 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: where things stand right now, the Minnesota Vikings are four 565 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: and oh, the Detroit Lions with their quarterback going eighteen 566 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 1: for eighteen on Monday Night football, knowing completions and catching 567 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 1: a touchdown passive of his own from his wide receiver. 568 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: The Detroit Lions are three and one. They knocked off 569 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: the previously undefeated Seattle Seahawks who put up over five 570 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: hundred yards of offense and still lost by two touchdowns. 571 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: Go figure on that one. And then the Packers and 572 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: the Bears are both two and two. So if the 573 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: math is right in my head, four three two to two, 574 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: eleven and five, the NFC North collectively is eleven and 575 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: five after five weeks. That's pretty good, pretty good, And 576 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 1: there's only been one division game Powers and Vikings where 577 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: you get the automatic win, automatic loss for somebody. There's 578 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: only been one division game through four weeks in this division, 579 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: and the collective record of the division is eleven and five. 580 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 2: I think in this I'm going to bring this up 581 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 2: right now with my little pen because I want to 582 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 2: make sure I get this right. Eighteen completions on eighteen 583 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 2: attempts for two hundred and ninety two yards with two touchdowns. 584 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: Wow. 585 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jared Goff and what he has done? How many 586 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 2: times this guy has been written off right from his 587 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 2: rookie year with Saint Louis to not being the guy 588 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 2: that can get the Rams over the. 589 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: Hump, even though he went they went to a super Bowl, even. 590 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 2: Though I went to Super Bowl with him, to becoming 591 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 2: what was believed to be a placeholder quarterback in Detroit, 592 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 2: to being a fifty three million dollars a year quarterback 593 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 2: that's playing the way he's playing right now. They're built, man, 594 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 2: I'm and around. Saint Brown made an absolute jaw dropping 595 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 2: catch in the end zone. 596 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: That that toe tap touchdown. 597 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 2: Man, that was Yeah, the referees couldn't even believe it. No, 598 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 2: I mean that that game won. In addition to being 599 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 2: a very electrifying, very exciting football game, it again spoke 600 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 2: to just how dangerous the Lions are. 601 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: All three, all four of. 602 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 2: These teams the NFC North, they are going to do 603 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 2: it differently this year. Yeah, it's gonna be really interesting 604 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,479 Speaker 2: watching every single one of these battles between these teams 605 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 2: because they all do different things. Well, but I mean, 606 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 2: you look at what the Lions are doing and the 607 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 2: way they're built and how they've responded to how last 608 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 2: season ended for them, they are not to be trifled 609 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 2: with the one thing I will say though, Gino Smith, 610 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker the third they did take it to that 611 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 2: defense a little bit and they had to, but. 612 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: They just they just couldn't finish drive. Yeah, you know, 613 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: when they were on the edge of field goal range, 614 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: they couldn't get into field goal range to make a kick. 615 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: And then you know late in the game when they're 616 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: going forward on fourth downs and whatnot, they couldn't get 617 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: the scores that they needed. They racked up over five 618 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: hundred yards, but it was like, you know, most of 619 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: the times when they crossed midfield, they it felt like 620 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: they played the whole game Detroit territory. But Detroit's defense, 621 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: with its back against the wall on several drives, just 622 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: stood tall and got the job done to where the 623 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: point total ends up being what was it, twenty seven 624 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: or twenty nine or something like that, with over five 625 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: hundred yards of offense. The Detroit defense, for all the 626 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: yards they gave up, they still got a lot of 627 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: stops and that was really the difference in the game. 628 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 2: The one thing working against green Bay too, is they're 629 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 2: gonna have to basically play probably two track meets against 630 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 2: the Lions this season. They don't get a real cold 631 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 2: weather game against them, so it's gonna be exciting. 632 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: The Packers are gonna see Geno Smith and the Seahawks 633 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: later on. 634 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 2: This they will, Yeah, Gino Smith is kind of in 635 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 2: a similar boat, almost, kind of where Jordan Love has 636 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 2: been at, where he's made some really good plays, but 637 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 2: the turnovers and hard to overcome for them at this point. 638 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 2: And defensively again, it's just it's. 639 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,479 Speaker 1: They were they were banged up on defense going in. 640 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: They knew they were kind of up against it defensively, 641 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: and and the Lions really took advantage of the Seahawks 642 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: missing some keepee. 643 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 2: And I was already in bed at this point when 644 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 2: you texted me. I was getting my beauty rest. 645 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: But when I didn't get a response, I figured you 646 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: must have you must have turned in. 647 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 2: Well, I you know, I think I turned on some 648 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,239 Speaker 2: Netflix and I'm like laying in my bed. But I 649 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 2: will say you're right in your assessment where it's like defense, man, 650 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 2: if you can get it in this league, great, But boy, 651 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's optional. But there's games like this 652 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 2: where it's like, okay, which offense isn't gonna make as 653 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 2: many mistakes is really what it comes to. 654 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's sometimes. That's the way these games. Uh, that's 655 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: the way these games go. Well with that, we'll call 656 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: out a wrap on this edition of Packers unscript ma'd 657 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: be sure to follow all of our coverage of the 658 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: team on Packers dot com. For Wes, I'm Mike. Thank 659 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: you for tuning in everybody. We will see you next time.