WEBVTT - Episode 1: Unscrupulous Collection

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<v Speaker 1>School of humans Cha. It's the winter of twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>and police in Italy just received a tip. An apartment

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<v Speaker 1>in Senegalia, a small coastal town on the Adriatic, is

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<v Speaker 1>allegedly a stash house inside it one million euros worth

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<v Speaker 1>of stolen goods. Detectives hop on the case. They stalk

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<v Speaker 1>out the apartment and watch us streams of strange packages

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<v Speaker 1>move in and out. Most boxes, they learn are coming

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<v Speaker 1>from Greece and Romania, suspicious considering those countries have relatively

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<v Speaker 1>lax customs inspections. But that's just a red herring. As

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<v Speaker 1>police dig deeper into the case, they discover that this

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<v Speaker 1>flood of boxes isn't originating from Europe at all. The

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<v Speaker 1>packages are being sent from South America. Now this is fishy.

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<v Speaker 1>Officers with the Carabinieri decide they've seen enough. They secure

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<v Speaker 1>a search warrant and prepare a race. On a February day,

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<v Speaker 1>officers swarm the apartment door. They crack it open, step

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<v Speaker 1>into the living space, and are immediately greeted by walls

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<v Speaker 1>bursting with green. There are no illegal guns here, no

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<v Speaker 1>bricks of drugs, no hidden stashes of explosives. Instead, jammed

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<v Speaker 1>against the walls tetrist Amongst scaffolding and stacks of wood

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<v Speaker 1>shelves are hundreds thousands of cacti. The police wandered the

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<v Speaker 1>apartment in amazement, their cacti on the floor, Cacti climbing

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<v Speaker 1>the walls, Cacti under the bed. Cacti cover the counters,

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<v Speaker 1>and swing from every corner of the ceiling. According to

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<v Speaker 1>Sabado magazine, this is more than a mere stash house.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a nursery, a botanical wonder lamb stuffed with

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<v Speaker 1>more than one thousand specimens of illicit Copiapoa cacti. The

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<v Speaker 1>plants resemble stubby spiked thumbs. They're native to the Atacama

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<v Speaker 1>Desert of Chile, where the genus is threatened, with some

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<v Speaker 1>species listed under international protections. But they're relatively large. It

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<v Speaker 1>takes them ages to reach this size. When botanists review

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<v Speaker 1>police evidence, they estimate that some specimens are more than

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred years old, older than modern Italy itself. Police

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<v Speaker 1>arrests the apartment owner, Andrea pam Betty, and soon pieced

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<v Speaker 1>together his story. Pam Betty had stalked the deserts of

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<v Speaker 1>Chile in search of rare cacti. One by one. He

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<v Speaker 1>plucked plants from the sand and sent them home by

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<v Speaker 1>way of Greece a Romania. Then he stowed them in

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<v Speaker 1>his apartment on the Italian coast, where he sold them

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<v Speaker 1>piece by piece for five hundred dollars to fifteen hundred

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<v Speaker 1>dollars a pop. All told, his apartment easily held at

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<v Speaker 1>least one million dollars worth of plants, all ripped from

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<v Speaker 1>the desert illegally. The phrase black market evokes sinister images

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<v Speaker 1>stacks of ak forty sevens, crates of cocaine, caged tigers,

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<v Speaker 1>but potted succulents on a window sill. No one is

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<v Speaker 1>calling crime stoppers for that, And yet the biggest black

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<v Speaker 1>market you've never heard of is blooming right under your nose.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether it's a four thousand pound cactus shoveled from the

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<v Speaker 1>Arizona desert, or delicate orchids pinched from the tangled jungles

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<v Speaker 1>of Peru rare, plants are at the center of a

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<v Speaker 1>rapidly growing and lucrative world of crime. My name is

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<v Speaker 1>Summer rain Oaks, and on this podcast we're plunging straight

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<v Speaker 1>into it, talking to the buyers, the sellers, the obsessives,

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<v Speaker 1>and those who came face to face with the criminals

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<v Speaker 1>behind an underworld few know exist. From School of Humans

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<v Speaker 1>and iHeart podcasts. This is bad Seeds. If there's one

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<v Speaker 1>thing you need to know about me, it's that I

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<v Speaker 1>love plants. I mean a lot up in rural Pennsylvania,

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<v Speaker 1>and there we couldn't live life without them. My parents

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<v Speaker 1>got food from the garden, and during summer break, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>spend hours losing myself in the woods out back. When

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<v Speaker 1>I got older, I learned the scientific names for the

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<v Speaker 1>plants in my backyard, for Scythia intermedia, Daucus, carota, mitchella repents.

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<v Speaker 1>I studied environmental science and became something of an ecology nerd.

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<v Speaker 1>I started multiple YouTube channels like plant went On Me

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<v Speaker 1>in Flock, and wrote a few books. The latest one,

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<v Speaker 1>How to Make a Plant Love You, is about plants

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<v Speaker 1>and are evolving relationship to them. Over the course of

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<v Speaker 1>a decade plus, I transformed my Brooklyn apartment with over

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<v Speaker 1>a thousand plants and am now working on a botanical

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<v Speaker 1>oasis in central New York. So yeah, I like plants

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<v Speaker 1>just a little, and that is what drew me to

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<v Speaker 1>this store. Because something's happening in the world of plants.

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<v Speaker 1>Something you need to know about, something sinister. Take that

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<v Speaker 1>raid you just heard about in Italy. At first, blush,

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<v Speaker 1>it just sounds like a quirky news headline, like honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>who steals a cactus? But as it turns out, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people do. Thirty one percent of all the

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<v Speaker 1>world's cacti are at risk of extinction. That's a third

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<v Speaker 1>of the world's cacti, according to a twenty fifteen study.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a few months ago, a group of scientists writing

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<v Speaker 1>for the journal Nature Plants said cacti are quote one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most endangered groups of organisms on the planet.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Barbara Getch, a conservation biologist, is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>authors of that study. So basically, we assessed every extant

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<v Speaker 1>species actis for the UCN Red List of Threatened Species.

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<v Speaker 1>So what these doesuc tells you what's the probability of

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<v Speaker 1>a species going extinct? And what she found is frankly disturbing.

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<v Speaker 1>For threatened species, the main cause of threat, or the

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<v Speaker 1>main driver of threat was unscrupulous collection. Almost half of

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<v Speaker 1>the world's threatened cacti are at risk of extinction, not

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<v Speaker 1>because of problems like development or livestock grazing, but because

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<v Speaker 1>of poaching, and this threat isn't new. Back in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty five, The New York Times was already on it,

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<v Speaker 1>writing shortly after a rare species is described in a publication,

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<v Speaker 1>its habitat is invaded by well to do hobbyists who

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<v Speaker 1>simply must have a specimen. Within months, certain species have

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<v Speaker 1>become extinct after decades of unscrupulous collecting. We've reached a

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<v Speaker 1>tipping point. These plants have been poached for a very

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<v Speaker 1>long time. I think what has changed a lot in

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<v Speaker 1>the last years is how easily available they have become

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<v Speaker 1>online and through other platforms like WhatsApp. That has been

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<v Speaker 1>a complete game changer. The game changer here isn't just

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<v Speaker 1>a cactus problem, It's a plant problem. In the US,

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<v Speaker 1>home decor is a growing industry and rising with it

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<v Speaker 1>the demand for house plants. In twenty nineteen, the National

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<v Speaker 1>Gardening Association claimed that house plant sales in America had

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<v Speaker 1>risen almost fifty percent in just three years. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to be honest, I feel a little bit responsible now.

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<v Speaker 1>A few years ago I uploaded one of the first

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<v Speaker 1>plant on boxing videos online. You may notice that I

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<v Speaker 1>have this big box right here of live plants, so

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<v Speaker 1>I thought we'd do an unboxing ceremony. I had no

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<v Speaker 1>clue that my plant filled apartment or videos like that

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<v Speaker 1>would go viral, but ever since then it's been copied

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of times over lucky viewers getting closed on Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>and YouTube. Plant aficionados like myself started to garner tens

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<v Speaker 1>of thousands of followers, and then the pandemic. The pandemic

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<v Speaker 1>happened during the first COVID lockdown. People trapped indoors, doom scrolling, TikTok,

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<v Speaker 1>and Instagram collectively decided to transform their homes into garden kingdoms.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what else was there to do. The demand

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<v Speaker 1>was instatiable, and potted plants, especially those rare items pursued

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<v Speaker 1>by hobbyists, started going for heinous asking prices. Like there

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<v Speaker 1>was a variegated rafadop four a tetrasperma marketed as a

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<v Speaker 1>Philodendron minima, which sold on a New Zealand auction site

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<v Speaker 1>for eight thousand, one hundred and fifty bucks. A year later,

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<v Speaker 1>a specimen of the same species with just eight leaves

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<v Speaker 1>would sell for more than twenty five grand. The point

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<v Speaker 1>is rare plants could go for a lot of money

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<v Speaker 1>right now, and where there's lots of money, there are

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<v Speaker 1>people with how do I put it, less puer motivations

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<v Speaker 1>trying to exploit it. My name's Jenny Feltham and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>working with the Wildlife Justice Commission, which is an ANGEO

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<v Speaker 1>that's based in the Hague in the Netherlands. Basically, what

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<v Speaker 1>the Wildlife Justice Commission does is it operates to tackle

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<v Speaker 1>the transnational organized crime issue. A few years back, Jenny

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<v Speaker 1>discovered that organized crime syndicates had taken up wildlife crimes

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<v Speaker 1>such as plant poaching. It is, in her words, of

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<v Speaker 1>the perfect crime. You want your money making activity to

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<v Speaker 1>be low risk. You want a low risk of being caught,

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<v Speaker 1>and you want also if you are caught, low penalties.

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<v Speaker 1>And environmental crime in general has ticked those boxes, so

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the lure of high profits is there in

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<v Speaker 1>timber crime, especially the numbers broadly, they're really big. It's

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<v Speaker 1>estimated to be twenty billion dollars a year type industry

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<v Speaker 1>where it's estimated to be the fourth largest illegal trade

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. And then on the risk side, we

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<v Speaker 1>often see environmental crime isn't prioritized by law enforcement compared

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<v Speaker 1>to other types of crime. There are countless examples, from

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<v Speaker 1>the million dollars of stolen cacti in Italy to the

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<v Speaker 1>time a woman in New Zealand tried to sneak pass

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<v Speaker 1>airport customs with nine hundred and forty seven succulents hidden underneath. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there is a demand for this because the other aspect

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<v Speaker 1>is consumer demand at the end of the supply chain.

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<v Speaker 1>That really drives the whole thing. If there's demand for

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<v Speaker 1>these high value wildlife commodities, if people are willing to

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<v Speaker 1>pay high prices for these things, criminal networks will want

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<v Speaker 1>to supply that. They will find a way to provide

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<v Speaker 1>that service, regardless of whether it's legal or not. The

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<v Speaker 1>whole problem with plant crime, though, is that nobody in

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<v Speaker 1>power really seems to care. That's unfortunately the way it

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<v Speaker 1>goes law enforcement authorities. They have a whole lot of

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<v Speaker 1>different types of priorities that they have to work under.

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<v Speaker 1>An environmental crime often is not at the top of

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<v Speaker 1>that list, and this has made plant thieves especially reason.

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<v Speaker 1>Take the Saint Helena abnue trokotapsis abne, a delicate white

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<v Speaker 1>flowering plant that grows in just one place in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>the island of Saint Helena deep in the South Atlantic Ocean.

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<v Speaker 1>The plant has been on the brink of extinction for decades,

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<v Speaker 1>and until recently, the last two wild plants were literally

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<v Speaker 1>clinging to life on the edge of a cliff. While.

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<v Speaker 1>A few years back, a horticulturist was browsing online when

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<v Speaker 1>he noticed somebody in California trying to sell the plant online.

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<v Speaker 1>According to an article by Sam Knight in The Guardian,

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<v Speaker 1>the scientists emailed the cellar and kindly implored them not

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<v Speaker 1>to sell the ebony. It was among the rarest of

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<v Speaker 1>the rare and had to be protected, and besides, selling

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<v Speaker 1>it online was illegal, extremely illegal. A few days later,

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<v Speaker 1>the scientist opened his inbox and found a reply. Screw you,

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<v Speaker 1>the seller said, this is capitalism. The tough thing about

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<v Speaker 1>the plant poaching crisis and the black market for wildlife

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<v Speaker 1>in general, is frankly getting people to care about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Even in the niche world of wildlife crime, plants get

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<v Speaker 1>the short stick. Everybody wants to save the elephants, the tigers,

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<v Speaker 1>the whales. Not many people are slapping bumper stickers onto

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<v Speaker 1>their subarus demanding we saved the Saint Helena ebony and

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<v Speaker 1>there's a reason for this, and you're probably suffering from

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<v Speaker 1>it right now. It's something called plant blindness. I would

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<v Speaker 1>describe it as people tend to overlook plant life, and

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<v Speaker 1>that there's a bias towards seeing, for instance, animal life

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<v Speaker 1>more prominently. That's doctor Jared Margulis, a professor at the

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<v Speaker 1>University of Alabama and an expert on the epidemic of

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<v Speaker 1>plant poaching. Around the last five years, I've been studying

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<v Speaker 1>various kinds of illegal and illicit trade and cactus and

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<v Speaker 1>succulent plants. According to doctor Margulis, plant blindness is essentially

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<v Speaker 1>a bias. Now, if I asked you to sit back

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<v Speaker 1>and close your eyes and dream up the world's most

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<v Speaker 1>vulnerable species, images of tigers or rhinos or even bumblebees

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<v Speaker 1>might dance through your head. But the truth is the

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<v Speaker 1>most threatened taxa in the world are plants. The sort

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<v Speaker 1>of botanical world around us where plant life is sort

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<v Speaker 1>of becomes this inert backdrop to a livelier animal world.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a sense of a bias towards being more concerned

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<v Speaker 1>about animals and other species that, for instance, move and

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<v Speaker 1>have eyes and appear more sentient than plant life. That

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<v Speaker 1>backdrop includes cacti, conifers, and psycats. In fact, a global

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<v Speaker 1>treaty designed to protect wildlife called Sites suggests that for

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<v Speaker 1>every threatened animal, there are at least five threatened plants.

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<v Speaker 1>But you wouldn't believe those numbers if you were to say,

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<v Speaker 1>examine wildlife policy. Plant blindness has very serious and negative

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<v Speaker 1>consequences for how we relate to plants, but also think

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<v Speaker 1>about the conservation of species. In the United States, for instance,

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<v Speaker 1>plants make up sixty percent of all endangered wildlife, but

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at the government's spreadsheets, you'll see that

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<v Speaker 1>in the country's wildlife protection budget just two percent two

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<v Speaker 1>percent goes towards plant life. Now, that is plant blindness.

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<v Speaker 1>Put simply, we're never going to see a sad Sarah

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<v Speaker 1>McLaughlin commercial with an uprooted orchid on screen, but perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>we should. Globally, two out of five plants are risk

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<v Speaker 1>of going extinct. And not to be alarmist, but this

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<v Speaker 1>is a huge issue. It is human centric to say

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<v Speaker 1>that without plants we would all be dead very quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think it's also an important way of prompting

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<v Speaker 1>people to think about how important plants are and everything

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<v Speaker 1>we do in our ability to thrive and flourish on

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<v Speaker 1>the planet. Doctor Margulis is right. Just look around you.

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<v Speaker 1>As I shared in my book How to Make a

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<v Speaker 1>Plant Love You, the wooden beams, floorboards, tables, chairs, picture frames,

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<v Speaker 1>bookshelves and doors we pass through were all once trees.

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<v Speaker 1>The cotton sheets that cover us at night plants. Even

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<v Speaker 1>our polyester shirts, they were derived from storehouses of ancient

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<v Speaker 1>plants locked beneath the Earth's surface, as is most of

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<v Speaker 1>the fuel that powers our vehicles and warms our homes. Plants. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>latex from trees and the tropics make the tires of

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<v Speaker 1>airplanes and cars, and insulate the undersea internet cables that

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<v Speaker 1>make listening to this podcast possible. The lotions and bombs

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<v Speaker 1>we use to clean and soften our skin have all

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<v Speaker 1>originated or been synthesized from a plant. It's unique chemistry.

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<v Speaker 1>The coffee that gets us moving in the morning, the

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<v Speaker 1>tea that soothes us at night, and the wine or

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<v Speaker 1>beer we imbibed in wine, the oils that make our

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<v Speaker 1>candles are soaked. It's all plants. And what about high

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<v Speaker 1>fructose corn syrup? Even if you're on an all meat diet,

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<v Speaker 1>you indirectly eat plants. After all, do you think your

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<v Speaker 1>burger was grass fed or grain fed? Plants create roughly

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five percent of the oxygen we breathe. They make

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<v Speaker 1>up eighty percent of the food we eat. They are

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<v Speaker 1>the basis for most of the antibiotics and medicines that

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<v Speaker 1>keep us healthy. You're probably thinking, okay, okay, we get it.

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<v Speaker 1>But these are just a few examples of how crucial

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<v Speaker 1>plant life is to our lives. For humanity writ large,

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<v Speaker 1>we rely on so many different species in so many

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<v Speaker 1>different ways. As we lose more and more species on

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<v Speaker 1>the plant to extinction, and as more and more species

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<v Speaker 1>become vulnerable, there will be all kinds of negative consequences

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<v Speaker 1>when plants disappear. There's a cascading effect of bad news.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the author Ray Bradberry explained it best. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty two, he published a short story called A

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<v Speaker 1>Sound of Thunder. In it, Bradberry imagined a future where

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<v Speaker 1>scientists cracked the secret to time travel. Naturally, investors celebrate

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<v Speaker 1>this milestone by monetizing it. One company sells time traveling safaris,

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<v Speaker 1>offering people the opportunity to go back to the late Cretaceous.

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<v Speaker 1>But on one of these trips, a tourist accidentally crushes

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<v Speaker 1>a single butterfly. When the tourist returns to the present day,

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<v Speaker 1>the world is strangely altered. People talk fight, the results

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<v Speaker 1>of a recent election have changed for the worse. One

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<v Speaker 1>small misstep changed everything. Ecology is really complex, and species

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<v Speaker 1>hold relationships with each other, and so, for instance, when

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<v Speaker 1>you poach or steal a plant towards extinction, what are

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<v Speaker 1>the pollinators that relied on that species to survive and

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<v Speaker 1>what happens to them and what species relied on those pollinators,

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<v Speaker 1>And so there's these cascading series of interactions in consequences,

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<v Speaker 1>and the reality is we don't know what most of

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<v Speaker 1>those consequences might yet be. But it's something that we

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<v Speaker 1>need to be very concerned about now That might sound

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<v Speaker 1>distant and theoretical. So here's a real world example. The

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<v Speaker 1>Ohia lehua tree of Hawaii, or Metrosideros polymorpha, is a

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<v Speaker 1>prominent plant on the islands and is featured in native mythology,

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<v Speaker 1>but livestock as well as imports of non native plants

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<v Speaker 1>from Portugal and South America have endangered it. Populations of

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<v Speaker 1>Ohia trees are declining and most recently, a foreign fungus

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<v Speaker 1>has strangled entire groves in a Bradbury and Twist. This

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<v Speaker 1>deadly fungus was likely introduced by a tourist who is

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<v Speaker 1>carrying it on their hiking boots and had meandered off

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<v Speaker 1>a hiking trail. The result has had a ripple effect

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<v Speaker 1>acrossed Polynesia. The e evie, a bright red tropical bird

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<v Speaker 1>with a crescent beak, depends on the Ohea for food

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<v Speaker 1>and breeding. But as plant populations have dwindled, so has

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<v Speaker 1>the bird, and with the bird, so goes the plants

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<v Speaker 1>it pollinates, including the Lobelia grayana, a spiky lavender look

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<v Speaker 1>alike that is now endangered. Who knows how far this

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<v Speaker 1>ripple effect continues. If the world of plants can teach

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<v Speaker 1>us anything, it's that everything is really connected. The world

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<v Speaker 1>we live in is like a game of Jenga. Even

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<v Speaker 1>a mild disturbance can lead to a total collapse. This

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<v Speaker 1>is especially true of the world's rarest plants. A single

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<v Speaker 1>death or a single theft can dis rupped an entire

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<v Speaker 1>ecosystems destiny. What that means for us is anyone's gas.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to introduce you to a plant. The living

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<v Speaker 1>rock cactus or Ariocarpus fisheratus. It's a squat and plush

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<v Speaker 1>cactus with wrinkled leaves and no spines. It is like

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<v Speaker 1>the jab of the hut of succulents. In other words,

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<v Speaker 1>it's sort of ugly. In its native habitat, it can

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<v Speaker 1>be easily mistaken, as the name suggests, for a pile

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<v Speaker 1>of rocks. To many passers by, it is completely unremarkable.

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<v Speaker 1>That is until it blooms. In midsummer, the living rock

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<v Speaker 1>cactus reveals a vibrant, electric pink blossom. Some consider it

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<v Speaker 1>the prettiest flowering cactus in the world. For hobbyists, the

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<v Speaker 1>nice thing about the living rock cactus is that it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't require a bank loan. A single cactus costs around

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred bucks, which is expensive but attainable for an

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<v Speaker 1>entry level plant collector, and that has made it extremely

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<v Speaker 1>popular in places with a growing middle class like Asia.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the reasons the living rock is so popular

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<v Speaker 1>in the world, especially in Asia, is that it is

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<v Speaker 1>a long living plan that's Eric Jumper. He's a retired

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<v Speaker 1>special agent with the US Fish and Wildlife Service. People

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<v Speaker 1>will get one for a child when they're born, so

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<v Speaker 1>they can live their lives living. You know it's charming, right.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem is, the living rock cactus is a critically

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<v Speaker 1>endangered species. You cannot pluck it from the desert. This

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<v Speaker 1>living rock cactus is an Apendix one, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>most restrictive. It restricts all commercial trade in anything that's

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<v Speaker 1>listed as Appendix one. So they're afforded the highest amount

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<v Speaker 1>of protection. And in the early two thousands, Special Agent

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<v Speaker 1>Jumper started getting calls to look into a string of

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<v Speaker 1>rock cactus poaching. I was stationed in San Antonio. I

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<v Speaker 1>started getting calls from people in seculent societies, mostly out

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<v Speaker 1>of Austin, Texas, advising me about things they were seeing online.

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<v Speaker 1>I took notes on that, but just didn't really act

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<v Speaker 1>on it. I didn't know that there was a worldwide

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<v Speaker 1>market for cactus at that time. At some point in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twelve, an inspector for the USDA also came to

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<v Speaker 1>me with a name of a business that was selling

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of cactus and a lot of them were endangered.

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<v Speaker 1>And then yeah to say, hey, you need to look

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<v Speaker 1>at this, and this is what started it. Jumpers started

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<v Speaker 1>digging into the case, learning everything he could about the

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<v Speaker 1>cactus and We kept getting different calls telling us, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy here, this guy in these Texas, this guy

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<v Speaker 1>in North Texas, this guy in West Texas is doing this.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the one supplying such and such. Working on that

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<v Speaker 1>tip Jumper put an alert airports to be on the

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<v Speaker 1>lookout for illicit packages making their way overseas. Those are

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<v Speaker 1>our two tasks to try to intersect the package, and

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<v Speaker 1>of course you do that by putting alerts out to

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<v Speaker 1>our inspectors at our airports, and then we tried to

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<v Speaker 1>find the source. At first, only a few cacti trickled in,

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<v Speaker 1>most of them turning up at the International Mail Sorting

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<v Speaker 1>facility at Chicago O'Hare Airport. Those boxes contained one or

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<v Speaker 1>two plants, but after a few years the poachers began

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<v Speaker 1>brazenly stuffing as many as forty cacti into a single shipment.

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<v Speaker 1>The seizures started happening, Boom, boom, boom. It took maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a year after alert went out and then boom they

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<v Speaker 1>started hidden. After that, you know, then we have a case.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever happens from the air on, we have a case.

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<v Speaker 1>The vast majority of the boxes were postmarked for places

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<v Speaker 1>like Shanghai, Bangkok and Beijing, although a handful ended up

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<v Speaker 1>in Europe too. Regardless of destination, each box was mislabeled

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<v Speaker 1>as home decor or ceramic pottery suspicious right. Plus, none

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<v Speaker 1>of the shipments contained the appropriate paperwork for exporting plants.

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<v Speaker 1>Agents followed the paper trail. They traced the shipments to

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<v Speaker 1>southwestern Texas, just north of Big Ben National Park. Now

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<v Speaker 1>agents quickly discovered that the cacti were shipped by a

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<v Speaker 1>ring of organized cactus smugglers. We'll trying to run down

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<v Speaker 1>all of that stuff, and finally ended up running into

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<v Speaker 1>what turned out to be one of them. The main

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<v Speaker 1>sources was a ranch out in West Texas. Agents squared

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<v Speaker 1>their sights on six older Texans, all men, two of

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<v Speaker 1>whom claimed to own and operate cactus nurseries. Officials surveiled

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<v Speaker 1>their homes, They watched the men move in and out,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the warrants came in, signed by a judge,

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<v Speaker 1>and the raids began. At Troy Layton Baker's home, officials

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<v Speaker 1>seized one hundred and seventy seven living rock cacti. At

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Refield's home in Spicewood, agents found five hundred forty

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<v Speaker 1>nine A few hundred miles away at an RV park.

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<v Speaker 1>Agents stormed into Paul Armstrong's property and found six hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty eight illegal cacti, But the biggest bust belonged

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<v Speaker 1>to Maurice Ray Carter, the owner of the so called

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<v Speaker 1>Texas Native Cactus Company. At his place in Terlingua, Texas,

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<v Speaker 1>agents found more than one thousand, six hundred and fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>living rock cacti, all illegally poached. In total, US Fish

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<v Speaker 1>and Wildlife Service agencies more than four thousand illegally harvested plants.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there were the weapons. In the home of

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Refield, another cactus business owner, the FEDS would seize

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<v Speaker 1>eleven pistols, two shotguns, and four military style assault rifles.

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<v Speaker 1>You had a huge compound out in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the desert, and we were lucky enough to catch them

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<v Speaker 1>leaving town going back there instead of at his perfect

0:28:38.565 --> 0:28:42.045
<v Speaker 1>because he told us if you had caught me at

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<v Speaker 1>my house, it would have went down. It had been

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<v Speaker 1>a shootout, a shootout over cacti. But as the six

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<v Speaker 1>men went to trial, it became clear why there was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of money in those little stubby plants. The

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<v Speaker 1>men had grossed approximately seventy five thousand dollars just by

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<v Speaker 1>mislabeling plants that they had torn from the ground. All

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<v Speaker 1>six received a litany of fines and probation. A judge

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<v Speaker 1>ordered Morris Carter, the man hiding sixteen hundred living rocks

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<v Speaker 1>at his home, to pay sixty thousand dollars in restitution,

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<v Speaker 1>splitting it between the National Park Foundation and the US

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<v Speaker 1>Fish and Wildlife Service. Despite those heavy fines, Agent Jumper

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<v Speaker 1>isn't sure this was enough to deter them or others

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<v Speaker 1>from future crimes. Be honest, it probably made them smarter,

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<v Speaker 1>from what we can determine. I think the smarter practice

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<v Speaker 1>now is going to be trying to circumvent the rule

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<v Speaker 1>by sending them first to California using straw buyers, basically

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<v Speaker 1>using the middleman. But one thing is for certain, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not going to take so many phone calls this second

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<v Speaker 1>time around. I think it's on radar for everyone, and

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<v Speaker 1>I know when I retired there were several cases still going,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's certainly not on the backburn anymore. If the

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<v Speaker 1>smuggling operation in Texas proved anything, it's that plant crime

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<v Speaker 1>is not the domain of rogue, careless individuals. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>a one off and not something that can be written off.

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<v Speaker 1>It is becoming more organized and far more dangerous, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is what we're going to explore on this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>coming up. On this season of Bad Seeds ended up

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<v Speaker 1>going to this really kind of sketchy pototists flown cartel

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<v Speaker 1>Knockati territory in Mexico and this guy met us on

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<v Speaker 1>the side of the highway on his motorbike and he

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<v Speaker 1>was departure. They've been other allegations in other countries involving

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<v Speaker 1>very senior officials. You may be financing the destruction of

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<v Speaker 1>an irreplaceable ecosystem that cannot come back, tied up with

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<v Speaker 1>what looked like garden string behind now backs these big

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<v Speaker 1>M sixteen stop to our heads time Summer rain Oaks

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<v Speaker 1>join us again next time for Bad Seeds. Bad Seeds

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<v Speaker 1>is a production of School of Humans and iHeart Podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host Summer rain Oakes. Lucas Riley is our writer,

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<v Speaker 1>Gabby Watts is our producer, and Amelia Brock is our

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<v Speaker 1>senior producer. Fact Checking is by Savannah Hugilely and Zoey Farrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Original music is by Claire Campbell. Sound design and score

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<v Speaker 1>is by Jesse Niswanger. Development was by Brian Lavin and

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<v Speaker 1>Jacob selzer. Executive producers are Brian Lavin, Elsie Crowley, Brandon Barr,

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<v Speaker 1>Virginia Prescott and Jacob Selzern School of Humans