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Speaker 1: arrests the apartment owner, Andrea pam Betty, and soon pieced

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Speaker 1: M sixteen stop to our heads time Summer rain Oaks

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Speaker 1: join us again next time for Bad Seeds. Bad Seeds

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Speaker 1: is a production of School of Humans and iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host Summer rain Oakes. Lucas Riley is our writer,

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Speaker 1: Gabby Watts is our producer, and Amelia Brock is our

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Speaker 1: senior producer. Fact Checking is by Savannah Hugilely and Zoey Farrow.

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Speaker 1: Original music is by Claire Campbell. Sound design and score

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Speaker 1: is by Jesse Niswanger. Development was by Brian Lavin and

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Speaker 1: Jacob selzer. Executive producers are Brian Lavin, Elsie Crowley, Brandon Barr,

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Speaker 1: Virginia Prescott and Jacob Selzern School of Humans