WEBVTT - Fire Drill 091: The Hair Apparent w/ Neal Shipley

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<v Speaker 1>Probably one of the best rounds, the best thirty six

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<v Speaker 1>sold matches in the USGA history there. I mean, that

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<v Speaker 1>was unbelievably impressive and I was super happy just to

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<v Speaker 1>have a front seat to that. And at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the day, looking back, it's really fun to watch,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, I'm really proud that I made him

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<v Speaker 1>go out and earn it.

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<v Speaker 2>That got thoughts.

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<v Speaker 3>Can't get him John, and not the thing what I'm

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<v Speaker 3>thinking about. Can't get him John, Not the thing what

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<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, this is Alan Chipnoocket back for another Fire Drill podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm back home after a two week vender covering the

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<v Speaker 2>US Women's Amateur and the US Amateur. It was great fun,

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<v Speaker 2>presuming a lot of you listeners out there too. To

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<v Speaker 2>the US am it was a spectacular week at Cherry Hills,

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<v Speaker 2>and the championship match was a barn burner. Nick Dunlop prevailed.

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<v Speaker 2>He is obviously a star in the making and quite

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<v Speaker 2>a stud. But I think a lot of golf fans'

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<v Speaker 2>hearts were with Neil Shipley, who put up a great

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<v Speaker 2>fight and was a fun character all week. We're delighted

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<v Speaker 2>to have Neil join us, so thanks for doing this, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thanks Alan, thank you for having me on. Appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So what is this whirlwind been like? You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you showed up as a somewhat unknown college golfer and

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<v Speaker 2>in the space of a week became a folk hero

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone's favorite golfer. And what's your life been like

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<v Speaker 2>in the last forty eight hours since the amateur ended.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a whirlwind. You know. We got back to

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<v Speaker 1>Columbus and I had team meetings right away Monday morning

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<v Speaker 1>at nine am and sat through an hour and a

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<v Speaker 1>half of some compliant stuff and just kind of got

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<v Speaker 1>back home decompressed. But it's funny even out here out

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<v Speaker 1>in the Shady Side neighborhood in Pittsburgh, a really nice

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<v Speaker 1>area where there's a lot of shops, and like got

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<v Speaker 1>recognized once or twice down there. I got my hair

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<v Speaker 1>trimmed up this morning and was in downtown Mount Lebanon

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<v Speaker 1>and a few people came up and said hi to me.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's been it's been quite the adventure. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>little different. I had to make my Instagram public. I

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<v Speaker 1>did that this morning because I had I added about

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<v Speaker 1>three thousand followers or four thousand followers so it's been

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<v Speaker 1>been hectic and different, but I'm just trying to embrace

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<v Speaker 1>it all.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you go through and delete any old posts that

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<v Speaker 2>might be inappropriate for a public consumption?

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, you kept it clean and PG thirteen for

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<v Speaker 1>everyone since the beginning. You know, got my parents on

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<v Speaker 1>there and Grandma on there, so they're not trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get myself in trouble anytime soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Good. The big headlines can come out of this podcast

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<v Speaker 2>as you got a haircut, well, I mean that's as

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<v Speaker 2>you probably know, your Lush just locks for the subject.

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<v Speaker 2>There was so much commentary on the telecast that that's

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<v Speaker 2>a big deal. I mean, here you're messing with your brand.

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<v Speaker 2>What inspired that?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean we took about like about an inch

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<v Speaker 1>off just to try and keep the hair healthy and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just get it reshaped up a bit ready

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<v Speaker 1>for a big growth this fall and a big fall season,

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<v Speaker 1>so you got to keep it looking good and it

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<v Speaker 1>takes a lot of time and maintenance to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's really is. I put almost as much time

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<v Speaker 1>into my hair as I do my golf game.

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean in the new n I L landscape,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, panteens out there for you, Paul Mitchell.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, forget Calae and Taylor made like you. This's

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<v Speaker 2>a whole a potential revenue stream, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I was. I'm you know, maybe targeting

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<v Speaker 1>head and shoulders, become the next Troy Paul Malu for

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<v Speaker 1>the Pittsburgh region, you know, maybe get on some commercials locally.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll see what that, uh, if anything materializes there.

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<v Speaker 1>It is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny, you know that having a great run in

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<v Speaker 2>the US Amateur always came with tremendous spoils the Masters

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<v Speaker 2>and the US Open invitations and other opportunities. But now

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<v Speaker 2>have you hired an agent and the nil stuff is

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<v Speaker 2>a real thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it is. You know, I've been over the

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<v Speaker 1>summer with some good play, I garnered some attention from

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<v Speaker 1>a few different agencies, and I've been They've been smaller

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<v Speaker 1>and more boutique, and I've been going through that process

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<v Speaker 1>of trying to figure out who I'm going to go with,

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<v Speaker 1>and more recently after this week, had some more people

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<v Speaker 1>pop up. So I'm going to have to do a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more filtering and stuff like that to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out who I'm going to go with. But it's significantly

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<v Speaker 1>as intending maybe in January or February to sign with somebody,

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<v Speaker 1>but that timeline's definitely gotten moved up quite a bit

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<v Speaker 1>now because you've got to try and take advantage of

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<v Speaker 1>what we can get now and just get things set

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<v Speaker 1>up and ready to go for the Masters, so have

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<v Speaker 1>a little smooth transition into spring season.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, it's a it's a whole new world

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<v Speaker 2>out there. Have you gotten a lot of old high

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<v Speaker 2>school buddies and other people who've checked in wine to

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<v Speaker 2>caddy for you at Augusta.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean we've I think I've said to a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of people, or I know my old high school

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<v Speaker 1>team Jimmy Myers, He's like, oh, he told me you

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<v Speaker 1>could caddy for me at Augusta, And I was like, oh, geez, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>you mean you better get in line. But uh now

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<v Speaker 1>I've I don't know who's going to caddy for me

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<v Speaker 1>out there yet. I haven't figured that out. I know, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>my good friend Carter who stepped in on Saturday, he

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<v Speaker 1>caddy Frost and Greecer when he made to the semi

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<v Speaker 1>finals as well, and he went out to the Masters

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<v Speaker 1>with Greaser but didn't caddy for him out there, So

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I might. I might put him on the bag.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see. No promises, not not Carter. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna be on the bag, but he's definitely on

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<v Speaker 1>a short list. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I talked him after the round on Saturday. He's he's

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<v Speaker 2>a sweet kid. And you, guys, go back to what

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<v Speaker 2>you you're ten, eleven, twelve years old. It sounds like

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<v Speaker 2>you grew up on kind of a pretty humble nine

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<v Speaker 2>hole golf course. Can you tell folks about your sort

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<v Speaker 2>of your entry into into golf, how you fell in

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<v Speaker 2>love with it and where you played and that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, when I was really young, I played at

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<v Speaker 1>Mount Leven and Mumunicipal Golf Course, which is I actually

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<v Speaker 1>haven't played in a while. It's not super nice. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of what you'd expect out of a nine

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<v Speaker 1>hole UNI. But you know, i'd play in the Thursday.

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<v Speaker 1>They had a junior league in the mornings where we'd

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<v Speaker 1>go off at like seven o'clock in the morning. They'd

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<v Speaker 1>have tea times blocked off for us for like two hours,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a lot of juniors that played, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think that was a great place to get my start

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<v Speaker 1>in the game, and then when I got older more

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<v Speaker 1>into the game, my parents we joined Saint Clair Country Club,

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<v Speaker 1>which is just south here of town and it's probably

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<v Speaker 1>one of the premier golf courses in Pittsburgh. And my

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<v Speaker 1>parents made a big sacrifice in doing that for me

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<v Speaker 1>and getting me the resources I needed to really improve.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's where I met Carter. He was probably ten

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<v Speaker 1>years old when I was thirteen or fourteen, and I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I kind of took him under my wing from

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<v Speaker 1>there because he just played a lot of golf together

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. And he ended up following me to

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<v Speaker 1>Pittsburgh Central Catholic High School and he was on the

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<v Speaker 1>team when I was a senior, he was a freshman.

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<v Speaker 1>We won the state championship that year and did a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of cool things together. We're the only two kids

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<v Speaker 1>that lived in the South Hills, so as his uber

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<v Speaker 1>driver for Prenanci the whole year and take him all around.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we had a lot of ate, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of pizza together, and a lot of McDonald's things like

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<v Speaker 1>that on the road, and it was ton of fun.

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<v Speaker 2>And you don't come from it sounds like there's not

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<v Speaker 2>a big golf tradition in your family who actually sent

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<v Speaker 2>you down the path of wine wine to play.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, my parents don't play. But when I was

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<v Speaker 1>four years old, I think I watched VJ. Singh. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was I think it was the for PGA

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<v Speaker 1>that VJ. Sing won, and my dad had a TV

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<v Speaker 1>on and I was watching, and you know, the next day,

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<v Speaker 1>I knocked his golf clubs over and started swinging around

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<v Speaker 1>his you know, full sized golf club in the backyard.

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<v Speaker 1>And from there he got me my own set and

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<v Speaker 1>took me the driving range. And that's kind of how

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<v Speaker 1>I got my start. I was always a I always

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<v Speaker 1>played baseball and basketball most of the time throughout most

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<v Speaker 1>of the years, so that was my primary sports for

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<v Speaker 1>a while. And it wasn't really until maybe my eighth

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<v Speaker 1>and ninth grade year that I really knew that I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to play college golf and do it competitively.

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<v Speaker 2>Who who kind of brought that dream to life? You

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned VJ. Sing was inspiration, which you don't hear very often,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think is cool. But were there other sort

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<v Speaker 2>of mentors or people who were important in getting you,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, rooted in the game and pushing you along.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, for sure, once I joined Saint Clair

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<v Speaker 1>Country Club. It's actually funny. I got a text from him.

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<v Speaker 1>His name is Grant Angle. He was much older than

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<v Speaker 1>I was when I was in when I was in

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<v Speaker 1>middle school, he was probably senior in high school. He

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<v Speaker 1>won the state championship individually in Pennsylvania and went to

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio University to play golf. And when I was young,

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<v Speaker 1>guys like the guy I wanted to be. I told

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<v Speaker 1>him that tech. I shot him a text and told

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<v Speaker 1>him that, and he was really flattered about it, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was it was. It was pretty cool. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think after that. You know, I have my swing coach

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<v Speaker 1>that I started him when I was thirteen years old.

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<v Speaker 1>He's done in Saint Lucie, Florida. His name's way Ishmael

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<v Speaker 1>and he is a cool story on his own. But

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<v Speaker 1>he he took me under his wing and I've been

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<v Speaker 1>with him since then and still text a lot now

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<v Speaker 1>and he still works with my swing and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's we have a really good relationship and it goes

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<v Speaker 1>beyond just player coach and more just as friends now too.

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<v Speaker 2>That's awesome. It's funny. I was at the two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and four PGA and a whistling Straights and on the

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<v Speaker 2>seventeenth hole, it's that really long hard part three and VJ.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I think it was like a two iron.

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<v Speaker 2>He just the way he was, he was silhouetted by

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<v Speaker 2>the lake and the angle I have. I said, that

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<v Speaker 2>might be the best golf swing I've ever seen, and

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<v Speaker 2>he hit it. He hit it tight, and that was

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<v Speaker 2>a huge moment him winning that that championship. And he's

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<v Speaker 2>not a guy that the people name check very often.

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<v Speaker 2>But was that someone that you sort of modeled yourself after.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, people around you said you've got a tremendous

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<v Speaker 2>work ethic, and obviously that was Vj's stock in trade.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, there's a lot of golfers saw Jack

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<v Speaker 2>Nicholas's swing and they read his books and that became

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<v Speaker 2>a touchstone. But did you stick with VJ or with

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<v Speaker 2>other people who you kind of patterned your game after.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when I was watching VJ, I was maybe

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<v Speaker 1>three years old, so that was and you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't thinking that analytically about it back then. Good point,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think, you know, he has the type of

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<v Speaker 1>swing with his great tempo and you know, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit longer, but which I've always been a guy

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<v Speaker 1>who historically he's gotten the club a little bit deeper

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<v Speaker 1>and longer, and I think the way he gets the

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<v Speaker 1>club backshallowed out and kind of into the slot is

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<v Speaker 1>something that didn't maybe model myself after, but was pretty

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<v Speaker 1>It was something that like we looked at and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, Okay, if I can just keep get the

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<v Speaker 1>club in the slot and the way down, especially when

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<v Speaker 1>he's younger, it's like, you know, if I can get

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<v Speaker 1>the club in the slot on the way down, you

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<v Speaker 1>know I can play golf from there.

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<v Speaker 2>That's cool. Yeah, I mean Phil Mikcholson told me, like

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<v Speaker 2>the there was one swing of sebbi bi Astero's It

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<v Speaker 2>was the thirteenth hole of Augusta on Sunday from the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty six. You would watch that one swing over

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<v Speaker 2>and over on this VHS tape he had until he

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<v Speaker 2>wore out the tape. Like it's funny how these these

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<v Speaker 2>things that get burned into your brain as a golfer.

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<v Speaker 2>So I love that. No where where does Oakmont Country

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<v Speaker 2>Club come in because I think people probably heard of

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<v Speaker 2>the telecast you did some catting there. Everyone knows Oakmont

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<v Speaker 2>is one of the greatest courses in the world unbelievable

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<v Speaker 2>US Open tradition. So how did you get started there?

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<v Speaker 2>What did you learn and what was the scene like

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<v Speaker 2>for a teenage caddy?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I started there. It was actually I think

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<v Speaker 1>during COVID or right before COVID, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>just wanted to make make a buck or two here

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<v Speaker 1>and there for some spending money, and just one one

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<v Speaker 1>of my friends us A members set me up with

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<v Speaker 1>a caddy master, And you know, I started off back

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<v Speaker 1>then probably cattying once a week, you know, or whenever

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<v Speaker 1>as home. And you know, now it's not as much

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<v Speaker 1>because I travel so much, but you know, the ability

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<v Speaker 1>to play there on Mondays was huge because you're playing

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most difficult golf courses and you just

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<v Speaker 1>learn a lot about your game because you really have

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<v Speaker 1>to have everything there to score well. Once you play

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<v Speaker 1>around there, you know, ten times you figure out how

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<v Speaker 1>to maybe manage your game and round in seventy five

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<v Speaker 1>not playing your best, but to go shoot sixty nine

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<v Speaker 1>to sixty eight. You got to have it going. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's just a it's a great test of golf,

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<v Speaker 1>and it really tests all of your abilities from ball

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<v Speaker 1>striking to putting to short game, and I think the

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<v Speaker 1>speed and firmness of the greens really, uh, it really

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<v Speaker 1>exposed as your weaknesses. I'd say it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Like doing high altitude training. You know, if you play

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of golf Oakmont, then you go to a

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<v Speaker 2>place like Cherry Hills and some kids have never seen

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<v Speaker 2>a setup that tough, and for you is like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I know this golf, Like is it sort of desensitized

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<v Speaker 2>you to tough setup. So after having an Oakmont.

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<v Speaker 1>Background, definitely, it really desensitizes you to fast greens. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean Cherry Hills is probably running at twelve and

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<v Speaker 1>a half or something like that, and here in Pittsburgh,

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<v Speaker 1>twelve and a half is the kind of the norm,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I think because of that, I felt super

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable on the greens and that's one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 1>my speed putting was probably strength of mind throughout most

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<v Speaker 1>of the week.

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<v Speaker 2>One thing that I think people might not realize is

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<v Speaker 2>what a scholar athlete you are. Like, tell the listeners

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<v Speaker 2>about your academic achievements, because they're pretty substantial.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So I graduated from James Madison in three years.

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<v Speaker 1>I had my degree in quantity to finance, and I

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<v Speaker 1>had minors in math and economics, and then I just

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<v Speaker 1>finished up my master's in data analytics, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>I have a few all American scholars sprinkled in there.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not really sure which years.

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<v Speaker 2>Or whatnot, but so modest I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean that one if that one's yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>one's not. You know, if you're a solid student, most

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<v Speaker 1>guys get it. So but that's it's a good thing

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<v Speaker 1>to go on the resume, and it's just that's been

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<v Speaker 1>really important for me and my family. My sister was

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<v Speaker 1>a straight A student throughout all of her years. She

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<v Speaker 1>got into some of the most prestigious universities in the

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<v Speaker 1>the country and decided to go to Notre Dame, where

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<v Speaker 1>my mother went, and she's set the bar super high.

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<v Speaker 1>And even though I was a AB student in high school,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of looked like a slouch just because because

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<v Speaker 1>of how elite she was. But it was it was

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<v Speaker 1>really cool to kind of have her pushing me and

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<v Speaker 1>my brother along and kind of setting the bar high

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<v Speaker 1>for us.

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<v Speaker 2>So now you're a graditude in the fifth year at

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio State, you must be a little demotivated to hit

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<v Speaker 2>the books. I mean, what what what, after all, you've

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<v Speaker 2>already accomplished, what are you studying and how are you

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<v Speaker 2>going to apply that to your future?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I'm getting I'm getting a certificate in public

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<v Speaker 1>management this year. Be honest with you, it's something that

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<v Speaker 1>it's a type of it's a type of program that

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<v Speaker 1>a few football players would do for the fifth years

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<v Speaker 1>and things like that. So it's not going to be

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<v Speaker 1>quite as rigorous, but I still think it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>add some value to my skill set just in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of managing people and companies and just giving myself a

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<v Speaker 1>you know, giving yourself kind of like a top downlook

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<v Speaker 1>at companies more so, and how to manage finances and

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<v Speaker 1>things like that throughout them, because I think a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of things I did is was, you know, it's quantitative finance.

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<v Speaker 1>We're looking at the little details of financial models or

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<v Speaker 1>pricing options things like that, or you know, just how

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<v Speaker 1>to create person portfolios or manage risk. And then in

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<v Speaker 1>data analytics, it's here's this data set, what is it

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<v Speaker 1>telling us? And then I think this managing one, managing

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<v Speaker 1>managing one is going to help me kind of apply

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<v Speaker 1>that more towards a whole company. Not not saying that

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<v Speaker 1>I want to do that, but I think professional golf

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<v Speaker 1>is really what I'm looking to do here after this year.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's gonna be a really good backup plan. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Padrick Harrington famously got his like accounting certification.

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<v Speaker 2>He was ready to be a CPA if it didn't

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<v Speaker 2>work out. I mean, it's good to have a backup plan.

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<v Speaker 2>But you might be the only guy on the PGA tours.

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<v Speaker 2>You look forward to the Wednesday pro ams because you

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<v Speaker 2>can like pick the brains of all these CEOs and

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<v Speaker 2>nerd out on some of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, for sure. It's fun to talk to some

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<v Speaker 1>of my friends who are in finance down out on

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<v Speaker 1>Wall Street and just kind of see what's going on,

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<v Speaker 1>or even just look at the markets and just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of maybe have a greater understanding of the patterns of

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<v Speaker 1>things going on, especially right now the Federal Reserve and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to start nerding out if I get down

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<v Speaker 1>that line. But it's just it's cool, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's just an interesting world to be in.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that you know, you and I talked about this.

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<v Speaker 2>I think was after a Saturday's round, I mean a

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<v Speaker 2>year ago. Your World Amateur Golf ranking was in the

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen hundred's. Part of that was because you know, James

0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:51.280
<v Speaker 2>Madison is a mid major. You weren't playing in stacked fields,

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<v Speaker 2>and the system was kind of weighed against you. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think you always had that belief you could be

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<v Speaker 2>an elite player. People around you recognize that, But now

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<v Speaker 2>you're actually doing it. I mean, have you had a

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<v Speaker 2>chance to think about how much your golfing life has

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<v Speaker 2>changed in one year? Basically?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's kind of crazy to think about. Honestly.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you kind of go along and you improve

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<v Speaker 1>every day and you don't really see the big progress

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<v Speaker 1>from year to year unless you really kind of think

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<v Speaker 1>about it. And I'm just really proud of where I'm

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<v Speaker 1>at now and what I've been doing. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think the kid sophomore year, Neil Shipley at James Madison

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<v Speaker 1>would have ever had them playing in the Masters in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four. It's you know, man, he probably was

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<v Speaker 1>picturing Masters twenty twenty eight maybe, But it is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the accelerated path that I've been on in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of my development's been just super cool and super thankful

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<v Speaker 1>for the opportunities I had at James Madison. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it really prepared me to take advantage of the resources

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<v Speaker 1>that we have at a higher state, because it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>ridiculous actually all the stuff we have there to help

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<v Speaker 1>improve and at GMU you had to really use what

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<v Speaker 1>you had to get better. And I think having more

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<v Speaker 1>to how to state and using that, like I'm using

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<v Speaker 1>what we had at James Madison's help me improve a ton.

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<v Speaker 2>So now that you've gotten a taste of the big time,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, how much does that light your fire and

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<v Speaker 2>make you want to just keep get to the next

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<v Speaker 2>level and the next level? I mean, what is the

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<v Speaker 2>depth of your ambition right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh gosh? I mean playing with that many people watching

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<v Speaker 1>you and like in a big field like that and

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<v Speaker 1>big tournament, it's it's going to make this first college

0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:43.439
<v Speaker 1>tournament feel a little bit anti climactic, but I you

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<v Speaker 1>know it, really I want to get back to that stage.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm super excited to play those two majors and just

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<v Speaker 1>have the chance to compete event against the best in

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<v Speaker 1>the world. And you know, I don't see a reason

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<v Speaker 1>why I can't compete well against them and make cuts

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<v Speaker 1>and things like that. You know, those guys are really, really,

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<v Speaker 1>really good. But you know, I feel like I got

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of game, uh that could stack up against them.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things that always interested me about golf

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<v Speaker 2>in particular. I mean, every athlete has to learn to

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<v Speaker 2>perform under pressure as big crowds, the media, all that stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's a challenge. But you know, golf attracts these

0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:22.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of loan wolf personalities. A lot of kids gravitated

0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:25.960
<v Speaker 2>towards it because team sports aren't for them, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>just alone on the driving range and you're living in

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<v Speaker 2>your own head. And as you have success, all of

0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:32.320
<v Speaker 2>a sudden you get put on these these big stages

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<v Speaker 2>and that doesn't agree with everybody. You know, there's a

0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:38.600
<v Speaker 2>there's a personality type that that that I think shrinks

0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:41.440
<v Speaker 2>from that attention a little bit. But obviously, anyone who

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<v Speaker 2>saw your celebration on the seventeenth hole after you hit

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<v Speaker 2>it stiff, I mean, what did what did the crowds

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<v Speaker 2>do for you? Because you know, to be embraced like that,

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<v Speaker 2>probably for the first time of that scale, must it

0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:57.480
<v Speaker 2>must have felt amazing. But also can you know you

0:20:57.480 --> 0:20:59.080
<v Speaker 2>can start it can mess with you a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>So how did you manage that emotion and how did it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, help your golf game.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think, you know, just not putting expectations on

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<v Speaker 1>yourself because you have that many people watching or that

0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:13.280
<v Speaker 1>many people were doing you on. You know, I feel

0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:16.199
<v Speaker 1>like you can put maybe extra pressure that you you know,

0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:18.159
<v Speaker 1>you feel like you have to perform for these people.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, I feel like at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the day, if I just thought about hitting each shot

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<v Speaker 1>as best as I could, and you know, when you

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<v Speaker 1>made a big pot here or hit a big shot there,

0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:31.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, get the crowd hyped up and use that energy.

0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:33.720
<v Speaker 1>I think that was a big key for me. Those

0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:37.160
<v Speaker 1>crowds really helped me kind of spur a comeback there once.

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<v Speaker 1>I want, you know, eleven and twelve, you could kind

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<v Speaker 1>of feel the energy shift in that match against j M,

0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:45.720
<v Speaker 1>and you know, we it is really cool to kind

0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:47.760
<v Speaker 1>of use that energy. And I mean it got crazy

0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:50.439
<v Speaker 1>on seventeen and I mean I kind of blacked out

0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:52.960
<v Speaker 1>a bit there from the walk from my ball to

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<v Speaker 1>the whole It is just, yeah, it was awesome. And

0:21:57.320 --> 0:21:59.640
<v Speaker 1>watching in fact that video, it's just kind of gives

0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:01.840
<v Speaker 1>me chick. That's kind of a moment that I'm going

0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:03.960
<v Speaker 1>to remember forever and kind of put in the memory

0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:06.399
<v Speaker 1>bank of you know, look I can compete and I

0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:08.600
<v Speaker 1>can you know, do things really cool like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I wrote this in the moment. But

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<v Speaker 2>what made that such a fun clip. It was just

0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:18.639
<v Speaker 2>the purity of it, right, Like, this has been a

0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:21.480
<v Speaker 2>very messy golf season on the professional level, and it's

0:22:21.520 --> 0:22:25.040
<v Speaker 2>been acrimonious, and it's been all about the money and

0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:27.399
<v Speaker 2>then everyone suing each other and there's all this press

0:22:27.400 --> 0:22:30.560
<v Speaker 2>conference bitchiness and I think it's turned off a good

0:22:30.640 --> 0:22:33.280
<v Speaker 2>number of golf fans. But there was something about that

0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:35.840
<v Speaker 2>moment that was just it was just so sweet. I mean,

0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:38.080
<v Speaker 2>it was just pure joy, not just from you but

0:22:38.480 --> 0:22:41.399
<v Speaker 2>everyone around you. And you know that even though you

0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:43.080
<v Speaker 2>didn't go on to win the US Amateur, to me,

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<v Speaker 2>that was sort of the defining highlight of the whole

0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:47.520
<v Speaker 2>thing because that's what it's about. I mean, it's still

0:22:48.880 --> 0:22:51.360
<v Speaker 2>it's a big time tournament and all this and that,

0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:54.320
<v Speaker 2>but there's just something that feels right about about the

0:22:54.400 --> 0:22:57.040
<v Speaker 2>US Amateur because it's guys who are just playing their

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<v Speaker 2>hearts out. There's no paycheck at the end of the week.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just really for pride and for history. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that moment just embodied the whole thing, So kudos.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that that, Yeah, it's kind of once a

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<v Speaker 2>lifetime thing. I mean, if you go on to have

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<v Speaker 2>a twenty year PGA Tour career, they're still gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>playing that clip. And it's pretty neat to have transcendent

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<v Speaker 2>moments in the sport. So let's just go to the

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<v Speaker 2>championship match because I've I wanted to ask you this, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you played incredible golf the next day and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>unofficial sixty six in the morning round. When when when

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<v Speaker 2>you're done with eighteen holes, are you thinking like, dang,

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<v Speaker 2>I just played some really great golf. I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>a lead. But was there any sense of being deflated,

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm not sure what more I can do here

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<v Speaker 2>and I can't shake this guy?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it was a little tough because I mean, damn,

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<v Speaker 1>you shoot five under on a USGA setup and you'd

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<v Speaker 1>think you'd have at least one shot lead or did

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<v Speaker 1>you mean one up or something like that. But uh,

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<v Speaker 1>my thought process going into is like, look, I played awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>I can keep that up, and there's no guarantee that

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<v Speaker 1>Nick is going to keep playing that good either, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so let's just let's get out there and let's make

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<v Speaker 1>some birdies and see what can happen, you know. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think Nick played just probably one of the best

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<v Speaker 1>rounds or the best thirty six sole matches in USGA

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<v Speaker 1>history there. I mean, that was unbelievably impressive, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was super happy just to have a front of a

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<v Speaker 1>seat to that. And you know, at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the day, looking back, it's is really fun to watch,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, I I'm really proud that I made

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<v Speaker 1>him go out and earn it. You know, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like a guy. Sometimes if guys play that good, they

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<v Speaker 1>might have such a big lead going into the eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, after eighteen or you know, going into you know,

0:24:50.280 --> 0:24:52.080
<v Speaker 1>a few holes, it's they're almost out of reach. But

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<v Speaker 1>I kept him kind of within touch for most of

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<v Speaker 1>the match until kind of the end there, and I

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<v Speaker 1>made him go out and make a ton of putts

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<v Speaker 1>and do something really special.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean psychically say that you learn more in your

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<v Speaker 2>defeats than your victories, and what will you take from

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<v Speaker 2>that final match to kind of propel you forward?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day watching Nick,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he's a great golfer, but I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>he does. He does a lot of things really well.

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<v Speaker 1>But I saw a You know, you play with great

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<v Speaker 1>players and you realize, like, man, I'm just as good

0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:26.400
<v Speaker 1>as them, Like I can do that too. They're not

0:25:26.800 --> 0:25:28.800
<v Speaker 1>They're not going out there into anything too crazy. And

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<v Speaker 1>he made a lot of putts and things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, I've had days like that before too,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, you kind of when you play with

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<v Speaker 1>the best players. And I realized this too, more so

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<v Speaker 1>my Jamu years when I'd play with great players, is like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>that guy just shot sixty four and you know, I

0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:45.600
<v Speaker 1>don't feel like you did anything special. He wasn't like

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<v Speaker 1>going out of his mind crazy. You know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it makes you realize that to be the best player

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<v Speaker 1>in the world, you just need to be really consistent

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<v Speaker 1>and just really persistent in your preparation.

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<v Speaker 2>That's awesome them. Well, it's great chatting with you, Neil.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you got a lot going on there, so

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna we're gonna let you get back to class

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<v Speaker 2>or the co eds, whatever else is happening in your

0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:13.879
<v Speaker 2>new life. But thanks for taking this time. Best of

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<v Speaker 2>luck going forward. I think I speak for every golfer

0:26:16.359 --> 0:26:18.360
<v Speaker 2>and I say, we're cheering for you and it's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be fun to be on this journey. So just keep going.

0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:23.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean, as you said, you're good enough. You just

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<v Speaker 2>gotta you just gotta keep doing what you're doing. So

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<v Speaker 2>thanks the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks, I appreciate you having me on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you got it all right. Well this is Alan Shipnak.

0:26:31.720 --> 0:26:36.040
<v Speaker 2>That was Neil Shipley. This has been another fire Drill podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for listening. I'll be back in the here soon

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<v Speaker 2>and that's the end.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm been big again. I plead the wind made a

0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:51.120
<v Speaker 3>fortune when my ship game. Then I ran the table

0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:53.720
<v Speaker 3>and then I thought I could fall down the win

0:26:53.880 --> 0:26:56.080
<v Speaker 3>and tell me hit me lack a can in the

0:26:56.200 --> 0:27:03.440
<v Speaker 3>ball and now okay and shape this losing streak. Every

0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:08.640
<v Speaker 3>road I take, it's a dead end street. I got

0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:13.199
<v Speaker 3>thoughts in my head, can't give them out, trying not

0:27:13.400 --> 0:27:15.560
<v Speaker 3>to think what I'm thinking about.

0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:18.639
<v Speaker 1>I got thoughts in my head, can't

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<v Speaker 3>Get them out, trying not to think what I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 3>about