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Speaker 2: Hello, this is Alan Chipnoocket back for another Fire Drill podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm back home after a two week vender covering the

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Speaker 1: It's been a whirlwind. You know. We got back to

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Speaker 1: watching in fact that video, it's just kind of gives

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Speaker 1: me chick. That's kind of a moment that I'm going

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Speaker 1: to remember forever and kind of put in the memory

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Speaker 1: bank of you know, look I can compete and I

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Speaker 1: can you know, do things really cool like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I wrote this in the moment. But

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Speaker 2: what made that such a fun clip. It was just

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Speaker 2: the purity of it, right, Like, this has been a

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Speaker 2: very messy golf season on the professional level, and it's

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Speaker 2: been acrimonious, and it's been all about the money and

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Speaker 2: then everyone suing each other and there's all this press

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Speaker 2: conference bitchiness and I think it's turned off a good

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Speaker 2: number of golf fans. But there was something about that

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Speaker 2: moment that was just it was just so sweet. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it was just pure joy, not just from you but

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Speaker 2: everyone around you. And you know that even though you

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Speaker 2: didn't go on to win the US Amateur, to me,

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Speaker 2: that was sort of the defining highlight of the whole

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Speaker 2: thing because that's what it's about. I mean, it's still

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Speaker 2: it's a big time tournament and all this and that,

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Speaker 2: but there's just something that feels right about about the

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Speaker 2: US Amateur because it's guys who are just playing their

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Speaker 2: hearts out. There's no paycheck at the end of the week.

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Speaker 2: It's just really for pride and for history. And I

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Speaker 2: think that moment just embodied the whole thing, So kudos.

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Speaker 2: I mean that that, Yeah, it's kind of once a

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Speaker 2: lifetime thing. I mean, if you go on to have

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Speaker 2: a twenty year PGA Tour career, they're still gonna be

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Speaker 2: playing that clip. And it's pretty neat to have transcendent

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Speaker 2: moments in the sport. So let's just go to the

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Speaker 2: championship match because I've I wanted to ask you this, like,

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Speaker 2: you played incredible golf the next day and you know,

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Speaker 2: unofficial sixty six in the morning round. When when when

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Speaker 2: you're done with eighteen holes, are you thinking like, dang,

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Speaker 2: I just played some really great golf. I don't have

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Speaker 2: a lead. But was there any sense of being deflated,

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Speaker 2: like I'm not sure what more I can do here

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Speaker 2: and I can't shake this guy?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was a little tough because I mean, damn,

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Speaker 1: you shoot five under on a USGA setup and you'd

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Speaker 1: think you'd have at least one shot lead or did

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Speaker 1: you mean one up or something like that. But uh,

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Speaker 1: my thought process going into is like, look, I played awesome.

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Speaker 1: I can keep that up, and there's no guarantee that

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Speaker 1: Nick is going to keep playing that good either, you know,

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Speaker 1: so let's just let's get out there and let's make

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Speaker 1: some birdies and see what can happen, you know. And

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Speaker 1: I think Nick played just probably one of the best

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Speaker 1: rounds or the best thirty six sole matches in USGA

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Speaker 1: history there. I mean, that was unbelievably impressive, and I

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Speaker 1: was super happy just to have a front of a

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Speaker 1: seat to that. And you know, at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, looking back, it's is really fun to watch,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I I'm really proud that I made

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Speaker 1: him go out and earn it. You know, I feel

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Speaker 1: like a guy. Sometimes if guys play that good, they

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Speaker 1: might have such a big lead going into the eighteen,

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Speaker 1: you know, after eighteen or you know, going into you know,

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Speaker 1: a few holes, it's they're almost out of reach. But

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Speaker 1: I kept him kind of within touch for most of

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Speaker 1: the match until kind of the end there, and I

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Speaker 1: made him go out and make a ton of putts

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Speaker 1: and do something really special.

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Speaker 2: I mean psychically say that you learn more in your

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Speaker 2: defeats than your victories, and what will you take from

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Speaker 2: that final match to kind of propel you forward?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day watching Nick,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's a great golfer, but I don't think

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Speaker 1: he does. He does a lot of things really well.

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Speaker 1: But I saw a You know, you play with great

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Speaker 1: players and you realize, like, man, I'm just as good

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Speaker 1: as them, Like I can do that too. They're not

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Speaker 1: They're not going out there into anything too crazy. And

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Speaker 1: he made a lot of putts and things like that.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I've had days like that before too,

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Speaker 1: so you know, you kind of when you play with

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Speaker 1: the best players. And I realized this too, more so

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Speaker 1: my Jamu years when I'd play with great players, is like, man,

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Speaker 1: that guy just shot sixty four and you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't feel like you did anything special. He wasn't like

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Speaker 1: going out of his mind crazy. You know, I think

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Speaker 1: it makes you realize that to be the best player

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Speaker 1: in the world, you just need to be really consistent

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Speaker 1: and just really persistent in your preparation.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome them. Well, it's great chatting with you, Neil.

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Speaker 2: I know you got a lot going on there, so

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Speaker 2: we're gonna we're gonna let you get back to class

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00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 2: or the co eds, whatever else is happening in your

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Speaker 2: new life. But thanks for taking this time. Best of

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Speaker 2: luck going forward. I think I speak for every golfer

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Speaker 2: and I say, we're cheering for you and it's gonna

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Speaker 2: be fun to be on this journey. So just keep going.

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Speaker 2: I mean, as you said, you're good enough. You just

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Speaker 2: gotta you just gotta keep doing what you're doing. So

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Speaker 2: thanks the time.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, I appreciate you having me on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you got it all right. Well this is Alan Shipnak.

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Speaker 2: That was Neil Shipley. This has been another fire Drill podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. I'll be back in the here soon

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Speaker 2: and that's the end.

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Speaker 3: I'm been big again. I plead the wind made a

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Speaker 3: fortune when my ship game. Then I ran the table

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Speaker 3: and then I thought I could fall down the win

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Speaker 3: and tell me hit me lack a can in the

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Speaker 3: ball and now okay and shape this losing streak. Every

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Speaker 3: road I take, it's a dead end street. I got

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Speaker 3: thoughts in my head, can't give them out, trying not

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Speaker 3: to think what I'm thinking about.

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Speaker 1: I got thoughts in my head, can't

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Speaker 3: Get them out, trying not to think what I'm thinking

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Speaker 3: about