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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome my favorite Murder the minisode where we

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Speaker 1: read you your stories.

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Speaker 2: We haven't done this in a while, a while. It

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Speaker 2: feels like it's been six months. Let's really do it.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it for real. Though you want to go first,

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Speaker 1: I would.

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Speaker 2: Like to if you would please let me. This is

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Speaker 2: a good one. I'm going to read you the subject line.

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Speaker 2: The subject line is my godfather was a Zodiac suspect.

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Speaker 2: Is this familiar?

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Speaker 1: Not yet?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Hey, bestiees. I was born in Valeo, California.

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Speaker 1: We met her at the.

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Speaker 3: We met this person in line in the VIP meet

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Speaker 3: and greet line at our Oakland show.

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Speaker 1: She was like no, no, no, no. We were like send

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Speaker 1: it in, send it in.

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Speaker 2: So Molly pulled it and here we are. Hey, Bestias.

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Speaker 2: I was born in Valeo, California, and my dad's side

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Speaker 2: of the family has deep roots there in parentheses and

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Speaker 2: some good connections to Sonoma County. Hi, Karen, we already

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Speaker 2: said hi. My dad was my original murder. You know.

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Speaker 2: He was obsessed with the jfk assassination and the Zodiac Killer,

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Speaker 2: and he passed that fascination right down to me. I

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Speaker 2: remember reading Robert Graysmith's Zodiac when I was about thirteen. Yes,

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Speaker 2: that's how it always happens. My dad graduated from Valao

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Speaker 2: High in the early sixties and I loved asking him

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Speaker 2: He said he actually was acquainted with a few of

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Speaker 2: the Valeo victims and clearly remembered the fear and the

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Speaker 2: buzz around town. I mean, in Satyrifine. One day, his friend,

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Speaker 2: let's call him Joe, who would later become my godfather,

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Speaker 2: called him and said, Hey, the Solano County Sheriff is

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Speaker 2: running ballistics on every registered nine millimeter in the county

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Speaker 2: and asked me to bring mine in. Do you want

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Speaker 2: to bring into Not wanting to miss out on history,

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Speaker 2: my dad said sure, so they brought their guns in

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Speaker 2: for testing. While my dad was waiting in the hall,

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Speaker 2: he asked an officer, are you really calling everyone with

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Speaker 2: a registered nine millimeter? And the guy goes, oh, no,

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Speaker 2: your buddy in there, he's a suspect.

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Speaker 1: Shit.

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Speaker 2: This woman told us this like as she was walking away,

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Speaker 2: and we were like, oh, wait, wait, what are you

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Speaker 2: talking about. Apparently Joe matched the physical description, stocky build,

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Speaker 2: thrilled to hear someone had reported it. Yeah, the fear.

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Speaker 2: A little while later, my godfather was woken up in

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Speaker 2: in without a warrant. And that was that. No arrest,

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Speaker 2: no follow up, no mention of him anywhere in the

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Speaker 2: Zodiac books or documentaries, so I'm guessing they didn't have

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Speaker 2: house my dad did in Valleo. That'd be cool. Most

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Speaker 2: all knew each other. Fun fact, Arthur Lee Allen, the

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Speaker 2: longtime Zodiac suspect, lived just two blocks away.

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Speaker 1: Holy shit.

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Speaker 2: One of my neighbors told me that before he was

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Speaker 1: Cool.

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Speaker 2: She said something about him made her so uncomfortable she

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's the Zodiac killer.

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Speaker 2: He's the Zodiac killer, and you have a system set

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Speaker 2: for my godfather Joe, he never did anything truly suspicious.

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Speaker 2: Over the years they all had their eye on him.

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Speaker 2: He was quirky, sure, but apparently not enough to stop

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Speaker 2: my recovering Catholic parents from making him my godfather some

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Speaker 2: years later. My dad passed away over a decade ago,

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Speaker 2: and Joe about five years ago. I really thought one

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Speaker 2: loved seeing you at the Oak. Lad. I'm late to

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Speaker 2: the MFM party, but have been binging for three years

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Speaker 2: and still catching up. I love that you can be

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Speaker 2: late to a party like from three years ago. Yeah

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Speaker 2: that's pretty Yeah that parties law. Love to you both

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Speaker 2: and thank you for everything you do. Stay sexy and

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Speaker 2: don't get suspected.

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Speaker 3: Christina, Wow, that's a good one.

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Speaker 1: It's a giddy well.

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Speaker 3: I have a true crime one middle school wolf in

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Speaker 3: sheep's clothing. It's called Hey friend, Arenos. Oh, I am

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Speaker 3: my best friend.

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Speaker 1: Bean.

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Speaker 3: Love your podcast and have become so much more aware

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Speaker 3: of our surroundings since we started listening in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 3: We know how much you love a personal serial killer experience.

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Speaker 3: So let's get started.

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Speaker 2: Love is the incorrect word, but awesome right also hiben hiben.

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Speaker 3: We grew up just outside of Poughkeepsie, and they wrote

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Speaker 3: it phonetically, but I know Poughkeepsie, New York, and attended

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Speaker 3: Arlington Middle School from nineteen ninety six to nineteen ninety eight.

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Speaker 3: Kendall francois nicknamed Stinky for very clear reasons our hall

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Speaker 3: who took pleasure in giving out too many detentions, especially

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Speaker 3: to girls. Picture it. I was naive, sheltered eleven years old,

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Speaker 3: with a bob haircut because my mom didn't have time

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Speaker 3: to deal with knots, wearing dusty pink corduroy overalls and

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Speaker 3: best friend, also a nave sheltered sixth grader, wearing brown

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Speaker 3: overalls with a tan polyester short sleeve shirt, cucumber melon

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Speaker 3: We were going about our day and walking to lunch

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Speaker 3: Late to lunch, I ask, how can you be late

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Speaker 3: I had a tendency to verbally stand up against any

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Speaker 3: and all perceived injustices, Being, on the other hand, was

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Speaker 3: afraid of everything still is. Actually, she shares your fear

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Speaker 3: of moths, Karen. I once had a beat one to

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Speaker 3: death with a flip flop while she lost her shit

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Speaker 3: cowering in a corner. She tells me every time it's

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Speaker 3: Of course, Well, I'm challenging Stinky and asking how one

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Speaker 3: Bean takes off running, leaving me to serve my lunch

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Speaker 3: detention alone. It was the longest thirty minutes of my

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Speaker 3: an incredibly creepy, an active serial killer who raped and

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that. I didn't recognize that name.

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Speaker 1: No, I looked it up.

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Speaker 2: It's just, oh my god.

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Speaker 3: From that moment on, I avoided Stinky like the plague,

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Speaker 3: my way At the beginning of eighth grade, Stinky was

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Speaker 3: apprehended after neighbors complained about the terrible stench coming from

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Speaker 3: discoveries and at least eight dead women, many of whom

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Speaker 3: He was sentenced to life in prison without parole and

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Speaker 3: Fast forward thirty ish years later, and Bean and I

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Right, the person writing this letter always

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Speaker 2: gets to pick the restaurant. Oh definitely, I mean.

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Speaker 3: Just like just has to give her one look, stay sexy,

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Speaker 1: In the hallway. Lauren and Bean.

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Speaker 2: Lauren and Bean, I mean, god damn it.

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Speaker 3: In the school, and he was called stinky because he

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the worst possible person.

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Speaker 2: Oh God, Well, here's another real one, real hometown. But

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Speaker 2: the subject line is I was a dairy princess and

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Speaker 2: my mother connection to a double murder. Hello MFM, Humans

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Speaker 2: and Creatures. I was listening to Karen's story from episode

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Speaker 2: i'd write in and talk about my own experience of

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Speaker 2: being dairy royalty. When I was seventeen, I made the

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Speaker 2: dairy princess of my county, and for one year I

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Speaker 2: to school children, handing out awards for best in show,

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Speaker 2: eating far too much ice cream, and even once participating

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Speaker 2: in a hand milking contest at the local fair. Rehaps,

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Speaker 2: it's so country, I love it. This position has been

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Speaker 2: it says spoiler alert, she lived so. On January eleventh,

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Speaker 2: nineteen seventy nine, two young university students in Bellingham, Washington,

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Speaker 2: named Karen Mandick and Diane Wilder were lured to a

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Speaker 2: my mother was nineteen years old, worked at a restaurant

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Speaker 2: to work again for the next four months. Kenneth Bianchi

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Speaker 2: When I was a teenager, my mother and I lived

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Speaker 1: Dang.

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Speaker 2: Ways, always remember to stay sexy and maybe don't stay

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Speaker 3: SSDGM RAINA ps I went to your show in Boston

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Speaker 2: Also, I love like there's nothing better than a psychic

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Speaker 2: A psychic that got proved right or the worst psychic.

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Speaker 1: I want those ones too. That happened at my mom.

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Speaker 2: She was devastated when she found out she was scammed.

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Speaker 1: Shut the fuck up.

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Speaker 2: That feels to me like an email filled with lies,

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Speaker 2: because that's insane. Oh okay. It's always been an inside

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Speaker 2: Love your pod, Thank you for keeping me company in

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Speaker 2: Lauren Lauren. I mean it's like way to go. I know,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening and guys and writing your stories.

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Speaker 2: Please, yes, we love your stories. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Stay sexy and don't get murdered.

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