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Speaker 1: Hey, it's the Tutor Dixon Podcast.

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Speaker 2: And I am so excited about today because I have

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Speaker 2: Chris Tomlin with me And if you don't know, he's

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Speaker 2: amazing all the way around. He's a Christian artist, he's

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Speaker 2: the executive producer of a new film. But also what

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Speaker 2: he doesn't know is that he was on my playlist

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Speaker 2: for my birthing playlist, which is kind of personal, but

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Speaker 2: when I was with it when I was pregnant with

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Speaker 2: my first daughter. You know, when you are pregnant with

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Speaker 2: your first kid, they're like, you're going to go through

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Speaker 2: and you you're going to have this like birth plan

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Speaker 2: and you think everything's going to go really well because

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Speaker 2: you've planned it all out.

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Speaker 1: Well, how great is our God?

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Speaker 2: Was on there, and honestly, I don't know what I

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Speaker 2: would have done without you, because certainly it wasn't what

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Speaker 2: I expected. So Chris Tomlin, welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 3: Well that's going an honor. Well, thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: I've been introduced in many ways, but never like that,

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Speaker 3: So that's the best ever. So thank you. Well.

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Speaker 2: Actually I told my oldest daughter, I was like, so,

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Speaker 2: guess who I'm going to have on the podcast? And

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Speaker 2: I said, and when I went into labor with you.

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Speaker 2: This was on my playlist that day that we listened

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Speaker 2: to as we were welcoming you into the world.

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Speaker 1: So that was pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: That's really special. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: It is so this is very special for me.

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Speaker 2: And I heard I was like, wait a minute, he

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Speaker 2: has this film coming out. I thought music was this thing?

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Speaker 2: You send us a screener of the film. Awesome, I

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Speaker 2: mean awesome. I can't wait until it's in theaters because

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Speaker 2: it is just like the Bible, it is so relevant

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Speaker 2: to right now.

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Speaker 3: It is you know, how I got involved in this

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Speaker 3: is crazy, right because this is not my lane. Movies

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Speaker 3: aren't my lane. But what a privilege that I was

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Speaker 3: approached with from these guys about music. Hey, do you

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Speaker 3: we've talked about. Let's see the film, and just like

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Speaker 3: you asked, I watched it and immediately I was like, wow,

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Speaker 3: they were like, well, what about the music. I was like, well,

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Speaker 3: I got this song that I haven't played for anybody yet,

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Speaker 3: but I wrote it. I said, I read it a

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Speaker 3: for the team, the production team, and immediately they were like,

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Speaker 3: an amazing timing for this movie. Obviously around Easter there

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And obviously this is a story that most of

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Speaker 2: But to see it on film like that, it was

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Speaker 2: because you see the pain in Judas's eyes, but that

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Speaker 2: And those are two very different stories that I think

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Speaker 3: And you put yourself there, right, I mean, how much

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Speaker 3: And that's what this movie says. I'll love that it

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Speaker 2: I was thinking as I was watching The Last Supper

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Speaker 3: in high school. I don't look at anybody. I don't

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Speaker 3: say hello, I don't I just scared to death, play

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Speaker 3: my songs, kind of staring at my note cards, singing

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Speaker 3: the songs. I did this every night for four nights

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Speaker 3: of the week. James comes to me at the end

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Speaker 3: of the week. He said two things. One is, you

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Speaker 3: have no idea what you're doing. I'm like, thank you, James.

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Speaker 3: And he said, secondly, you have no idea how God's

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Speaker 3: going to use you and use your songs all over

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Speaker 3: the world. And he put his hand on my head

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Speaker 3: and if you just looked at me, and he said, God,

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Speaker 3: would you make Chris, a psalm writer for his generation,

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Speaker 3: and it was like lightning went through me. It was

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Speaker 3: like this marking moment in my life and started this journey.

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Speaker 3: I'm in high school. I started this journey. I was.

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Speaker 3: And I looked at him. I was like, I don't

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Speaker 3: know what you're talking about writing songs and having a

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Speaker 3: song and he said, yes, I've been praying for you

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Speaker 3: this week. I felt like guys are speaking to me

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Speaker 3: that you're going to You're going to write songs and

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Speaker 3: the world's going to sing those songs. I couldn't believe that.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't love someone speaking that. I mean, I grew

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Speaker 3: up in you know, small little town, small little church.

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Speaker 3: There was we had the biggest church in town and

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Speaker 3: there was less than one hundred people. It was that

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Speaker 3: kind of thing. I was. My youth group was like

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Speaker 3: twelve people, you know, and I was like, how is

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Speaker 3: this gun? And fast forward many many years, like you said,

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Speaker 3: this friend James calls me. This is after you know,

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Speaker 3: I've had a career in music. And he calls me

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Speaker 3: about twenty something years later. He's like, Chris, I said,

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Speaker 3: we kind of lost touch a little bit, but he said, Chris,

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Speaker 3: same deep voice, he goes, I think I want to

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Speaker 3: run for I think it would be a politic stop

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Speaker 3: in ministry for a while, and I think God wants

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Speaker 3: to me to run for office. And he's in Oklahoma

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Speaker 3: and I was like, okay. He goes, can you come

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Speaker 3: and help me? Kind of pay it back, you know,

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Speaker 3: at the beginning, I was kind of helping you. Can

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Speaker 3: you help me? It's like, what do you mean. He's like, well,

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Speaker 3: I got a campaign. Can we go to like Walmart,

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Speaker 3: it's all over Oklahoma. You will get a crowd and

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Speaker 3: I'll share it. And I said absolutely. So I did

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Speaker 3: this with my buddy James. He wins. He becomes the

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Speaker 3: US representative now States Representative Oklahoma. And then I'm watching

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Speaker 3: on TV one day and it's I think it's Wolf

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Speaker 3: Blitzer and CNN talking about ISIS and there's my buddy

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Speaker 3: and he's a senator, Senator James Langford, and he's like,

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Speaker 3: I was like, call him up. I was like, James,

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Speaker 3: when did you become a senator? You just became you

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Speaker 3: were just in Congress. And he's like, yeah, I just

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Speaker 3: he goes. The seat came up as soon as I

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Speaker 3: got to Washington, and I ran for that and he's

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Speaker 3: been a senator for many years now and doing amazing

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Speaker 3: things in our country. But when you see do you

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Speaker 3: ever see James on TV? He's this redheaded, deep voice,

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Speaker 3: can leader senator. You know, have you ever seen on TV?

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Speaker 3: He's on TV a lot. You know that when I

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Speaker 3: was seventeen and he was maybe twenty two, twenty three,

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Speaker 3: he put his hand on my head, that guy a

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Speaker 3: Samos said one day you're gonna Guy's gonna use you.

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Speaker 3: And it was a few years later, it was a

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Speaker 3: few years ago that he led the National Prayer Breakfast

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Speaker 3: for our nation. James did. He brought me, He said,

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Speaker 3: I want you to come lead it with me, And

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Speaker 3: so can you imagine you can imagine what was going

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Speaker 3: through my heart my head. And I'm standing there leading

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Speaker 3: the National Prayer Breakfast with the President, the Vice President

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Speaker 3: and me and James, and it's all the world leaders

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Speaker 3: sit there playing my songs. And I think if anybody in

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Speaker 3: this grip knew the truth that then on the other

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Speaker 3: end of this little table said one day you're gonna

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Speaker 3: the world's gonna sing your songs. And now he's a

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Speaker 3: Senator of the United States and I'm leading in front

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Speaker 3: of the three thousand leaders around the world. I was saying, God,

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Speaker 3: how do you how do you write these stories? This

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Speaker 3: is incredible and you know, you just you try to

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Speaker 3: walk with him, be available to him, and you never

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Speaker 3: know where he leaves.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, what an amazing, amazing story.

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Speaker 1: God is so good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he is. And he's in the details, you know,

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Speaker 3: He's in the details, and he knows every he knows

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Speaker 3: the hearts of people, and he's just looking for people

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Speaker 3: who are available. Right at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: I heard has said this way, the best ability is availability,

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Speaker 3: and it's just what it is. You know, that's the

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Speaker 3: best ability you can have. It's being available.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on

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Speaker 2: the Tutor Dixon podcast. My girls have Winter Bible camp

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Speaker 2: coming up in a few weeks. Here the oldest two,

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Speaker 2: so my kids are close to your kids ages. My

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Speaker 2: twins are eleven and then thirteen and fifteen. So the

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Speaker 2: oldest two were all about it. They're like, we're going,

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Speaker 2: We're headed.

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Speaker 1: Off to camp.

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Speaker 2: And the younger two were a little nervous, so they

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Speaker 2: were going to stay home with mom. And then the

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Speaker 2: church called and they said, you know is such a

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Speaker 2: big weekend for us with kids, we really would like

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Speaker 2: them to go, and it was kind of perfect timing,

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Speaker 2: because God's timing is always perfect. We were we just

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Speaker 2: happened to be painting pottery with all their friends, and

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Speaker 2: their friends were going. So I said, oh, I just

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Speaker 2: got a call for the pastor you really want you

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Speaker 2: to to go too? And I think these are, like

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Speaker 2: you tell the story, These are the moments where I

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Speaker 2: see these events where kids come together, there are no

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Speaker 2: cell phones, there's no distractions, It is all about hope

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Speaker 2: and love and the truth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's how beautiful and yeah, those these are the

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Speaker 3: shaping moments in life and it definitely was for me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that and now and now look at you. You

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Speaker 2: are amazing. I mean here you are all Like he said,

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Speaker 2: there would be people that would sing your songs all

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Speaker 2: over the world, and and here I was singing that

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Speaker 2: song to a brand new person that was coming into

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Speaker 2: the world. So I am so grateful for Cena, for

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Speaker 2: Lankfort that he with his hand on your head that day,

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Speaker 2: because that was one of the most important days of

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Speaker 2: my life, and you helped me through it without even knowing.

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Speaker 2: So thank you for what you do. Tell us again

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Speaker 2: about the movie. It's a Pinnacle Peak picture and it

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Speaker 2: will come out when exactly.

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Speaker 3: March fourteenth is the release day. I have a song,

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Speaker 3: the song No Greater Love that's on there comes out

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Speaker 3: a couple days before that and March fourteenth, and I

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Speaker 3: just would encourage people to go to the theaters. You know,

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Speaker 3: this is a moment, like for people, this is this

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Speaker 3: films make so beautifully, but there's something powerful to see

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Speaker 3: it together, you know, the church, and so bringing the

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Speaker 3: church together and the theaters would be so it'd be

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Speaker 3: so beautiful for people do and I'm excited for it.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I hope everybody loves it and enjoys it

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Speaker 3: and is moved and their heart is just heart stirt.

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Speaker 1: I like that idea though, of bringing the church together

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Speaker 1: to see it.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm going to actually talk to our church

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Speaker 2: about that because it would be great to get some

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Speaker 2: groups from the church to go. Just and think about

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Speaker 2: our theaters need this so badly right now too. What

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Speaker 2: a great combination for people who have been struggling passed

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Speaker 2: through the pandemic and getting people back into theaters.

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Speaker 1: This is the moment.

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Speaker 2: And I think this is kind of I was watching

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Speaker 2: this and thinking this is the film that you want

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Speaker 2: to see on the big screen. You don't want to

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Speaker 2: just watch it on your cell phone. You want to

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Speaker 2: see it in the theater. You want to go there

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Speaker 2: that first day and be inspired by your own life

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Speaker 2: on screen. I mean, honestly, that's what the Bible is.

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Speaker 2: And people are like, oh man, the Bible really hit me.

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Speaker 2: Like that's because it's really written, because it's our life

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Speaker 2: and God sees us and God knows us and he

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Speaker 2: loves us, and that's what this movie is all about.

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Speaker 2: And I just I just thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: being a part of it.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you for encouraging people, thanks for helping us

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Speaker 3: get the word out. You're part of this as well,

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Speaker 3: and you're part of this with me and letting people

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Speaker 3: know about it because I think it's going to move

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Speaker 3: people in a great way. So it's going to beautiful.

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Speaker 3: So thanks for your time today too.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, thank you for your time, Chris Tomlin. It's like, honestly,

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Speaker 2: this was a big day for me. So I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: completely geeking out. I'm trying to be cool about it,

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Speaker 2: but I am totally geeking out, and I cannot wait

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Speaker 2: to tell the girls. I mean, I am going to

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Speaker 2: go home and be like, so, this is what happened

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Speaker 2: today there, and they're going to think I'm a chuttle dark.

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Speaker 3: We're friends.

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Speaker 1: I know I'm friends with Chris. That's that is what

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Speaker 1: I'm going to do. Oh my gosh. So thank you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for making me cool for a minute with

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Speaker 1: my kids.

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Speaker 3: We're awesome, so cool. All your success it's insane.

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Speaker 2: Thanks of all you two. Thank you well, God is good.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, and thank everybody else. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for listening to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Remember for this

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Speaker 2: and join us next time. Have a blessing.