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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and an estimated nine million people attended

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Speaker 1: the No Kings rally this weekend. We have such a

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Speaker 1: great show for you Today. The Lincoln Parduct's own Rick

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Speaker 1: Wilson joins us to discuss Trump sending fifty thousand troops

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Speaker 1: Street Journal's own Cameron mcward about maga's weird splinter in

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Speaker 1: the Great State of Arkansas. But first the news smile.

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Speaker 2: Huge huge turnout for No Kings, mostly without any real

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Speaker 2: big drama. Yeah, this is really enheartening to see the

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Speaker 2: biggest rally in American history.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, huge, huge rally. I did the morning show today

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Speaker 1: and we were we had the information on it.

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Speaker 3: This is ms now is Morning Show.

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Speaker 1: Ms now is Morning Show, and I'm going to read

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Speaker 1: to you and there was really interesting statistic here which

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Speaker 1: I took with me so I could read it. I

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Speaker 1: So No King's protests, We're going to just look. This

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Speaker 1: is from the organization, So that's where this information is

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Speaker 1: coming from. June twenty fourth, twenty twenty five five million people,

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Speaker 1: October eighteenth, twenty twenty five seven million people, March twenty eighth,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six eight million people, and maybe more. That

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Speaker 1: is a huge number. And I want to talk about

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Speaker 1: this study from the Harvard Kennedy School, this three point

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Speaker 1: five rule, how a small minority can make a big difference.

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Speaker 1: Non violent protests are twice as likely to succeed as

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Speaker 1: armed conflicts, and those engaging in a threshold of three

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Speaker 1: point five percent of the population have never failed to

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Speaker 1: bring about change. So this is this three point five rule.

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Speaker 1: It's something known in political science, and I just think

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Speaker 1: it's something to think about when we are wondering about protests,

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Speaker 1: when we're trying to sort of make sense of where

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Speaker 4: Yeap love it.

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Speaker 2: So after we taped on Friday, the House past short

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Speaker 2: term DHS funding, and now we have Tom Homan saying

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Speaker 2: we'll see if ice officers leave airports once TSA workers

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Speaker 2: get paid. Some people are saying I'd rather than there

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Speaker 1: All choices are bad. I mean, why can't we just

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Speaker 1: have the ice agents like clean up parks and stuff.

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Speaker 2: The tricky here is is this is a bunch of

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Speaker 1: So well, look, I don't think it's fair to blame

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of money being offered. Like it's a

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Speaker 1: I can see how young people get sucked into it.

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Speaker 1: But I can see if you have no money doing

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Speaker 1: that job. The point is, though, remember, so this administration

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Speaker 1: to work. They do not belong in airports, they shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be there now, and it's really important to push back

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Speaker 1: right away on things like this. So when Tom Holman

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Speaker 1: So we have seking device. This is amazing story.

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Speaker 2: Probably the most enjoyable story to read this week, from

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Speaker 2: Daniel Limit at a Politico that the head of ICE

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Speaker 1: Okay, so it turns out that Stephen Miller, besides being

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Speaker 1: Immigration and Custom Enforcement, this is todd Lyons, has been

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Speaker 1: the hospitalizations took place during the last seven months. Two

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Speaker 1: former official. Now when you Redestroy like this, you need

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Speaker 1: be stressed. They're not doing good things. But we have

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Speaker 1: and the fact that you know, Lines may be one

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Speaker 1: the knives are out for Stephen Miller, right because also

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Speaker 1: today there was a piece in the Daily Mail where

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Speaker 1: they were talking about how Trump needs to fire Stephen Miller.

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Speaker 1: So number one, the knives are out for Steven Miller.

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Speaker 1: Number two, the fact that these stories are getting coverage

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Speaker 1: means that a lot of people are leaking. Maybe Lines

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Speaker 1: Whatever which way it is, all of this is a

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Speaker 1: very bad time for Donald Trump's White House. Thoughts, prayers, whatever.

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Speaker 2: Governor Gavin Newsom has started a countdown for Steven Miller's

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Speaker 2: going to be fired.

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Speaker 1: Now we've got to get the lettuce going.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that's what I was thinking. Somali, You and

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Speaker 2: Rick Wilsa to talk about seapack after this segment. I

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Speaker 2: want to play you my favorite part of seapack this weekend,

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Speaker 2: it's Brendon Carr getting what I like to think of

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Speaker 2: as Trump disease and saying the acquire part out loud to.

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Speaker 1: Give you such a shout out.

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Speaker 5: Look, President Trump, when he ran for office, he ran

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Speaker 5: directly at the.

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Speaker 1: Fake news media.

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Speaker 5: So many other politicians and Americans simply gave way to

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Speaker 6: They let the legacy media set the narrative.

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Speaker 1: And President Trump smashed the facade.

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Speaker 4: He said, you don't get.

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Speaker 5: To decide what we say, what we think, how we're

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Speaker 3: The voting booth.

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Speaker 5: President Trump took on the fake news media, and.

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Speaker 1: President Trump is winning.

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Speaker 3: Look at the results so far.

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Speaker 5: PBS defunded, NPR defunded, Joy Reid gone from MSNBC, Todd gone,

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Speaker 1: Wow, Look, this guy's job is not this right. His

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Speaker 1: That's because there's no audience for Magalyite. There's no audience

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Speaker 2: So Maya the White House put out an app. Would

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Speaker 2: it shock you to hear that every four and a

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Speaker 1: No, it would not shock me. I mean it would

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Speaker 1: But here's a great privacy concerns as White House app

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Speaker 1: tracks users' locations. The Trump Administration's newly launched White House

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Speaker 1: Are you in a laboratory?

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Speaker 3: I'm in my sister's laboratory.

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Speaker 4: Yes, So eight.

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Speaker 1: Thousand troops to the golf ground troops? What is going on?

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Speaker 3: you don't have the Pentagon now leaking like a sieve

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Speaker 3: It is over. They have no ability to attack us.

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Speaker 1: Right, there's this fundamental issue, which is he said he

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Speaker 1: No, and this government shutdown, Homeland Security shutdown when it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Seapack, you'll remember Seapack is going on right now.

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Speaker 1: something that we had heard Steve Bannon say earlier in

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Speaker 1: the week. So Seapeck often does this.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, seapec Is is a sort of beta test

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Speaker 3: for the worst ideas in America, and it gives you

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Speaker 3: a kind of preview of coming horrors. And in this case,

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Speaker 3: I think Blanche in particular has come to realize something

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Speaker 3: very important. He is the point man inside DOJ for

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Speaker 3: the cover up. BONDI is this is the show, pony, Okay,

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Speaker 3: Blanche is the guy leading the cover up. You know,

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Speaker 3: we saw another story this week where where Congress start

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Speaker 3: are putting two and two together, and not only have

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Speaker 3: has the DOJ and the FBI not only redacted things

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Speaker 3: they shouldn't have redacted, but they've removed documents they shouldn't

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Speaker 3: have removed, including documents that Congress is legally empowered to Review.

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Speaker 3: So all this, all this chaos, I think Blanche has

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Speaker 3: realized if the Republicans don't win power in the fall,

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Speaker 3: he's going to get impeached. The great thing that every

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Speaker 3: one of these Republicans had in their head going into

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Speaker 3: this administration was this magical phrase, Trump will pardon me. Now,

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Speaker 3: think about that, Molly, Coreleywandowski. Trump doesn't give a shit

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Speaker 3: about Coreley Windowski. I promise you. Every day Corey Lewandowski

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Speaker 3: woke up, he thought he'll pardon me no matter what

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Speaker 3: I do. I don't think he'll pardon Corelewandowski. I don't

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Speaker 3: think he'll pardon Christine Ellen, and I don't think he'll

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Speaker 3: pardon Pambondi and Tom Blanche when the heat gets on.

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Speaker 3: And so these people are now looking at the fact

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Speaker 3: that they are potentially facing actual legal and criminal liability

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Speaker 3: for this stuff they're doing. And if I'm Todd Blanche,

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Speaker 3: the cocky bullshit that he's trying to pull right now,

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Speaker 3: we're going to post the Bowling Places is a symbol

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Speaker 3: and a tell for how fucking frightened he is. That

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Speaker 3: he's going to go in before a Congressional committee one

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Speaker 3: day soon and they're going to get him for having

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Speaker 3: perjured himself and engaged in obsertion of justice, and Trump

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Speaker 3: won't pardon him. It's all downhill from there, baby.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right. I also I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about the uh Strawpole. So, yes, there is an

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Speaker 1: interesting anti war group in Maga. They are not anti

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Speaker 1: war for the reason I am anti war. So I

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Speaker 1: am anti war because I think war is terrible and

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Speaker 1: people get killed.

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Speaker 3: And that is a fact of war, right, Mowen, and

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Speaker 3: it smells.

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Speaker 1: But they are anti war because they're anti Semitic. Make

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Speaker 1: it make sense.

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Speaker 3: You and I have talked about this before. There is

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Speaker 3: a rising tide. The younger a Republican or a MAGA

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Speaker 3: voter is right now, the more likely they are to say,

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Speaker 3: well that Hiltitler Fellow had some good ideas. They do

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Speaker 3: not believe that anti Semitism is a bad thing. It

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Speaker 3: has become wired into their political culture very deeply. And

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Speaker 3: the objections to this war in the Maga verse with

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Speaker 3: I would say Tucker as sort of the alpha, you know,

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Speaker 3: leader of that pack. It's straight up anti semitism. Well,

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Speaker 3: there are a lot of reasons not to go to

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Speaker 3: war with Iran. On the on the military, strategic, diplomatic,

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Speaker 3: economic scale that make a ton of sense, to say

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Speaker 3: nothing of the fact that we have leadership in the

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Speaker 3: pentagon of the White House who are who did not

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Speaker 3: deserve to put the lives of young Americans up at risk.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and also there's no reason. I mean, there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of bad things happening in this world, right,

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Speaker 1: but the Iranian people do not want us, they don't

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Speaker 1: need us, and the whole fact that we're in there

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Speaker 1: is completely grazy.

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Speaker 3: I spoke to somebody today who's an academic type but

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Speaker 3: knows Iranian history very very very well, and she said

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Speaker 3: to me, it would have aged out. The generation that's

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Speaker 3: coming up doesn't remember the original Iatola or the reason

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Speaker 3: for the revolution or any of that garbage. And these

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Speaker 3: guys were old. The Iatola was eighty five or eighty nine,

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Speaker 3: how old he was eighty six something like that. This

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Speaker 3: younger generation that's coming up is more than sixty percent

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Speaker 3: of the country's population, and they were about to just

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Speaker 3: basically say, why do we do all this weird shit

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Speaker 3: from the nineteen seventies, Let's stop that. Now the regime

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Speaker 3: has said the Great Satan is coming to kill you,

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Speaker 3: and as much as they don't like the regime. They

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Speaker 3: sure shit don't like schools full of girls getting bombed,

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Speaker 3: and they don't like civilian power stations getting bombed, and

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Speaker 3: they don't like universities getting bombed, and they don't like

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Speaker 3: Trump at the peak of it. Because what do they hear,

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Speaker 3: even the ones who didn't like the regime, what do

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Speaker 3: they hear? Oh or looking for somebody in the regime

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Speaker 3: to negotiate with.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a complete shit show. And first of all,

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Speaker 1: been unable to articulate. And I think this is the

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Speaker 1: fundamental problem. Donald Trump is unable to articulate why we

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Speaker 1: are in this war, and so if you can't articulate

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Speaker 1: why you're there, you can't articulate what victory would look like.

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Speaker 3: That's correct, Mama, That's one hundred percent correct. There is

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Speaker 3: nothing in the current strategic case being made for this

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Speaker 3: war that and I say this as someone who when

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Speaker 3: it was signed, I was critical of it. I didn't

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Speaker 3: think it went far enough.

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Speaker 1: I was wrong.

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Speaker 3: But the JCPOA would have accomplished in terms of restricting

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Speaker 3: Around's nuclear capacity. You mean the Obama Yes, the Obama JCPOA. Yes, Yes,

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Speaker 3: the JCPOA. If we had been diligent about it and

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Speaker 3: not withdrawn from the deal. How did it Ron get

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Speaker 3: the ability to start buying centrifuges again and to start

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Speaker 3: doing all these things to reconstitute their nuclear program because

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Speaker 3: we left the deal.

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Speaker 1: But who was president then? I care?

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Speaker 3: That would be no, no, no, no, it was another guy,

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Speaker 3: almost Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Donald what a shocker against by.

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Speaker 3: The way, the advice of his intelligence community and the

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Speaker 3: State Department.

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Speaker 1: You know you had to do it because it hit

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Speaker 1: Obama's name on it, right, just like Obamacare.

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Speaker 3: Nobody wants that Obamacare subsidy at all, except that it's

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Speaker 3: per capita used more by Republicans than by Democrats.

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson, will you come back?

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Speaker 3: You know I will.

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Speaker 1: Cameron mcwerder covers national affairs for The Wall Street Journal. Cameron, welcome,

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Speaker 1: Thank you. So you are here to talk about a

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Speaker 1: interesting story that we wanted to talk about because for

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Speaker 1: any number of reasons, we've seen fractures in MAGA world.

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Speaker 1: But this is a hyperlocal Arkansas story. So give us

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Speaker 1: them the story first and then we'll.

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Speaker 3: Go from there.

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Speaker 6: Well, the governor Sarah Hackabee Sanders, who is the daughter

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Speaker 6: of Mike Huckabee, who is Trump's ambassador to Israel. She

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Speaker 6: was Trump's spokesperson during his first administration. Is now the

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Speaker 6: governor of Arkansas and she was elected as the first

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Speaker 6: woman governor in twenty twenty two. One of her big

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Speaker 6: campaign promises was to crack down on crime, and part

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Speaker 6: of that was tackling this longstanding problem in Arkansas of

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Speaker 6: overcrowded prisons. In twenty twenty four, she announces tada, We've

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Speaker 6: purchased eight hundred and fifteen acres of pasture land in

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Speaker 6: a rural county in the northwest part of the state,

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Speaker 6: and we're going to build a giant, three thousand dead

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Speaker 6: prison there and it will bring jobs the area, and

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Speaker 6: it will serve a growing part of Arkansas and it

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Speaker 6: will be great. Unfortunately, the local people there were not

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Speaker 6: happy about it because it was just sort of dropped

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Speaker 6: on them, and a political fight as erupted, pulling in

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Speaker 6: all kinds of factions, and basically it's, as you said,

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Speaker 6: it's maga versus maga.

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Speaker 1: At this point, we'll got to talk about why Arkansas

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Speaker 1: needs all these prisons.

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Speaker 4: Well, they have a very high incarceration rate. There are

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Speaker 4: states that have.

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Speaker 6: Very strict laws regarding you know, and whether people have

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Speaker 6: to serve time, et cetera. Louisiana, Mississippi, and Arkansas are

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Speaker 6: the top three, so their incarceration rates are very high,

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Speaker 6: and they also depending on who you speak with, and

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Speaker 6: I was mostly speaking I was only speaking to Republicans

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Speaker 6: really for the story. Some people believe that that the

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Speaker 6: party in power, which is Renobican Party, hasn't properly funded

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Speaker 6: the prison system and that now they're in a pickle.

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Speaker 6: Other people say that it's just because there's a lot

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Speaker 6: of criminals and they need to be put in prison.

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Speaker 4: So that's a heated debate.

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Speaker 6: But of course the Republican Party is tough on you know,

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Speaker 6: their whole pitch is tough on crime, and Sarah Huckabee

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Speaker 6: Sanders has made that argument as a fulfillment of her campaign.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about that for a second, because

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Speaker 1: I think the numbers are humongous, the people who are

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Speaker 1: in prison in Arkansas. So I want you to explain

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Speaker 1: the group that is opposing her, because this is a

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Speaker 1: very interesting milange of MAGA. But also so talk us

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Speaker 1: through this crew.

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Speaker 6: I mean this county, Franklin County, which is a very beautiful,

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Speaker 6: little rural county deep in Arkansas voted eighty percent for

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump and seventy six percent for sarahuk precent when

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Speaker 6: she ran. And I mentioned in my story, but when

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Speaker 6: you're driving around, you see a lot of come to

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Speaker 6: Jesus signs along the roads. There's churches everywhere. I mean,

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Speaker 6: this is a very deeply religious, conservative Christian area.

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Speaker 4: And they suddenly got word.

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Speaker 6: This is one of the few places I've been around

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Speaker 6: the South quite a bit, that's my job, and this

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Speaker 6: is one of the I saw a lot of people

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Speaker 6: wearing men wearing cowboy hats, like just walking around, and

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Speaker 6: that's pretty rare in the South.

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Speaker 4: I mean, of course, if it gets to Texas, it

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Speaker 4: gets different.

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Speaker 6: But you know, there were just this is a very religious,

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Speaker 6: conservative Republican area and they suddenly were told that a

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Speaker 6: three thousand bed prison was going to arrive with not

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Speaker 6: a lot of public input. The governor's argument is that

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Speaker 6: she didn't want to announce the purchase of the land

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Speaker 6: ahead of time because she wanted to avoid a bidding

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Speaker 6: war and help save the state money. But a lot

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Speaker 6: of local people felt that they suddenly were told, tadah,

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Speaker 6: here's this enormous prison, which, when fully staffed, would be

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Speaker 6: the largest community in the county, and they didn't want

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Speaker 6: it right right their maga.

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Speaker 1: But they're also like anti prison, right, No, they're anti

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Speaker 1: that prison. Okay, Explain to me about this guy, the

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Speaker 1: guy who runs the blog who's sort of become Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: because it's almost like they've reinvented journalism.

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Speaker 6: His motivations are fairly straightforward because he lives right across

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Speaker 6: from where the prison would be, and so his motivations

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Speaker 6: are pretty obvious, like he doesn't want this thing, but.

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Speaker 1: He's turned his home into a kind of art project

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Speaker 1: a little bit.

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Speaker 6: He's festumed his fencing with all this these skeletons and

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Speaker 6: anti prison signs, anti Sanders.

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Speaker 1: Signs, so he's still pro prison.

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Speaker 6: Well, one thing he said to me was if the

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Speaker 6: governor had done this properly and had sort of smoothed

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Speaker 6: over community concerns, he said, I'd hate this prison, but

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Speaker 6: it would be here.

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Speaker 3: He said.

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Speaker 6: What happened was, I mean, his opposition is quite obvious,

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Speaker 6: he lives across the street. But the community really felt blindsided.

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Speaker 6: They felt that it's big government imposing something on their

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Speaker 6: small community that they don't necessarily want, and they have

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Speaker 6: a lot of concerns about there's a lot of concerns

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Speaker 6: about staffing. How are you going to get all these

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Speaker 6: people to staff the prison. There's going to be pretty

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Speaker 6: bad people in the prison. What if they break out.

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Speaker 6: There's a lot of concerns about the soil and how

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Speaker 6: can they build on that, and how are you going

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Speaker 6: to get water there? And who's going to be responsible

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Speaker 6: for the sewage and lots of issues that critics have raised.

655
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Speaker 6: And at the expense the state is currently saying it

656
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Speaker 6: would cost around eight hundred and twenty five million dollars

657
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Speaker 6: to build. There's a lot of critics are saying that

658
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Speaker 6: the price actually be a lot higher, and so they're saying,

659
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Speaker 6: we're like being One state centator said to me, who's

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Speaker 6: opposed to this, said to me, I feel like I'm

661
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Speaker 6: being like Doge and that I'm cutting wasteful spending like that.

662
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Speaker 6: That was his argument, And he said, I'm you know,

663
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Speaker 6: I love Donald Trump, and this is me saving taxpayers,

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Speaker 6: reducing tax tax waste, tax money being wasted. And then

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Speaker 6: you have, of course the supporters of the prison saying

666
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Speaker 6: we need to be tough on crime. This is what

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump would want.

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Speaker 4: So it's this weird mashing of what does magamine and

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Speaker 4: what does it mean to be conservative?

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Speaker 1: Interesting is nobody thinking about the other possibility that maybe

671
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Speaker 1: they're just putting too many people in jail now?

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Speaker 6: Right, There are certainly Democrats in the state of Arkansas,

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Speaker 6: and there are progressive groups that feel that way. They

674
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Speaker 6: are expressing those views, but they have no political power,

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Speaker 6: so it doesn't really matter. I'm based in Atlanta. I

676
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Speaker 6: cover the South. There are states like Arkansas where the

677
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Speaker 6: Democratic Party exists, but it doesn't have any real political sway.

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Speaker 1: Right makes sense. I would love you to talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about because people in this article, it's interesting

680
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Speaker 1: they talk about how much they like some of them

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Speaker 1: really do actually kind of hate her zoo.

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Speaker 6: So talk us through that again. It goes back to

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Speaker 6: this sense that they feel blindsided. They felt like this

684
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 6: was just suddenly dumped on them, and to that extent,

685
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 6: they feel like they are being true maga again, whatever

686
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Speaker 6: that means exactly. They feel that they're standing up the

687
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 6: big government imposing something on a community that doesn't want it.

688
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Speaker 6: The governor was initially very firm about, hey, this is

689
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Speaker 6: we bought the land, this is where it's going to go.

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Speaker 6: And there was a lot of pushback, and there was

691
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Speaker 6: enough of a coalition to stop funding in the state

692
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Speaker 6: Senate multiple times, and that really frustrated senators and her administration.

693
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Speaker 6: So they took an extraordinary step of trying to put

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Speaker 6: up candidates against particularly two senators who had opposed the prison,

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Speaker 6: and try to primary them out, and they spent a

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Speaker 6: lot of money of these sort of these out of

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Speaker 6: state groups came in and suddenly were sending flyers to

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Speaker 6: people's homes that were really the ones I thought had

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Speaker 6: made no mention of the prison at all.

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Speaker 4: Oh, but they were. All the attacks were really actually

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Speaker 4: quite funny.

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Speaker 6: One was, I mean, these are both very conservative rural

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Speaker 6: senators Republican trumpers.

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Speaker 1: And these are probably pretty low stakes races. I mean,

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Speaker 1: probably not a lot of money. This is not an

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Speaker 1: expensive media market.

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Speaker 6: They spent a lot of money, but yeah, I mean

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Speaker 6: they certainly outspent what the normal race would be. But

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Speaker 6: they were sending these flyers that The one that I

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Speaker 6: thought was one of the funniest was they somehow accused

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Speaker 6: Brian King, who was one of these state senators, of

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Speaker 6: being soft on Chinese drones being imported to Arkansas.

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Speaker 1: Is that something that happened to this day, I'm not.

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Speaker 6: Sure, but the flyers said showed a farmer in overalls

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Speaker 6: running in panic as he's being pursued by just a

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Speaker 6: wave of drones. And it was just sort of crazy

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Speaker 6: because it had nothing to do with It wasn't something

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Speaker 6: people were afraid of. It was just sort of a

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Speaker 6: weird attempt to unseat him, putting someone else that would

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Speaker 6: vote for the prison, and it didn't work.

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Speaker 4: It failed in both cases.

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Speaker 1: Is this private prison money That's very unclear at.

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Speaker 4: This point, we don't know. We don't know.

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Speaker 6: Critics are saying this is the They're going to try

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Speaker 6: to bring in a private prison. That's not certain, but

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Speaker 6: right now, because you know, they made this extraordinary step

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Speaker 6: of trying to unseat people that sort of got everyone's

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Speaker 6: tackles up. One center isn't from that area, but the

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Speaker 6: other one is. And this is an area that doesn't

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Speaker 6: like getting pushed around there. As I mentioned the story,

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Speaker 6: their mascot of the of a local school system is

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Speaker 6: the Hillbillies. Their mascot is this ornery, rugged bearded guy

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Speaker 6: with a shotgun. Like that's their mascot. They don't like

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Speaker 6: getting told what to do. There's a coalition now at

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Speaker 6: this point where there was just like sort of a

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Speaker 6: dispute before that is against the governor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, can we talk for a minute about what's happening

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Speaker 1: in Georgia with MAGA, since you are living in Georgia

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Speaker 1: and since you wrote about.

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Speaker 4: This, Yes, sure, the Marjorie Taylor Green thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a different split up, but it has a

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Speaker 1: similar cause because they're both private prisons. No, I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 1: It's one thing that is dividing because it's interesting, and

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Speaker 1: now that's going to run off for that special election seat,

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Speaker 1: so to goes through that.

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Speaker 4: Well in Georgia, it's somewhat different.

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Speaker 6: In Arkansas, the governor is running for reelection and she's

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Speaker 6: widely expected to win, and no one is thinking there's

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Speaker 6: going to be any democratic surge in Arkansas.

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Speaker 4: In Georgia, it's very different.

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Speaker 6: If there's any reduction in turnout by the Republican side,

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Speaker 6: that's very worrisome for the Republican Party.

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Speaker 1: And Georgia has two Democratic senators. You have this very

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Speaker 1: sort of non MAGA governor. It's not the same, but

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Speaker 1: you also have, which I think is really interesting, is

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Speaker 1: you have, in a very MAGA part of Georgia a

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Speaker 1: Maga congresswoman who is now no longer in Congress, Marjorie

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Speaker 1: Taylor Green.

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Speaker 6: Well, not only is she no longer in Congress, she

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Speaker 6: basically had a very public and ugly bitter divorce with

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Speaker 6: her ally Donald Trump, and now there's this huge you know,

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Speaker 6: I've covered that breakup quite a bit, and there is

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Speaker 6: a very baffling for people up in that district because

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Speaker 6: they're being told you have to choose down between what

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Speaker 6: is Amrita first and what is Maga, and they never

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Speaker 6: thought there was any difference, So they are very confused.

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Speaker 6: And I think ultimately Republican will win that district, but

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Speaker 6: there's a lot of bitter feelings among Republican voters there,

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Speaker 6: so how that's going to shake out. If there's any

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Speaker 6: people who are not showing up to the polls in

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Speaker 6: the fall, that's only to the benefit of the Democrats.

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Speaker 6: And meanwhile, the Democrats in Georgia, which are mostly the

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Speaker 6: Atlanta metropolitan.

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Speaker 4: Area and the suburbs, are very angry.

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Speaker 6: There's a lot of on the east side of town

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Speaker 6: Is where the CDC was located, a lot of workers

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Speaker 6: or later on, there's a lot of angry people. A

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00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 6: lot of Democrats are very angry, and we've seen some

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Speaker 6: elections here that point to worry, some stuns for the Republicans.

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Speaker 6: I'm thinking particularly last fall, we had two Public Service

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Speaker 6: Commission elections and those are for people who oversee utilities.

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Speaker 6: People don't really pay attention to those elections normally, but

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Speaker 6: they were the.

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Speaker 1: Top Yes, I know about these. This is the Energy Commission,

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Speaker 1: right or something.

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Speaker 4: They oversee utilities and.

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Speaker 1: They were utility commission.

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Speaker 6: People had said that it's because people were angry about

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Speaker 6: energy costs or something. I tend to think that it's

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Speaker 6: more Democrats went into the booth and shows the top

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Speaker 6: of the ballot, like who's the Democrat at the top

792
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Speaker 6: of the ballot? And both the Democrats won an election

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Speaker 6: that no one ever really paid attention to. Two long

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Speaker 6: standing Republicans who had been there for years and years

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Speaker 6: and years suddenly were out of a job.

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Speaker 4: And the polling, I mean.

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Speaker 6: The results were something, you know, it was extraordinary like

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Speaker 6: in the sixties, I think, percentage wise in terms of

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Speaker 6: the Democrats winning. So it's been a few other special

800
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Speaker 6: elections here and there that have Republicans worried here and

801
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Speaker 6: MAGA is trying you know, this is true of any

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Speaker 6: political movement, but once you get into power, you have

803
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Speaker 6: to govern. So now we're having a lot of fights

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Speaker 6: over what that means. Of course, Governor Kemp, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 6: Brian Kemp is a conservative Republican who's been governor here.

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Speaker 6: He was all in on Trump, big fan of Trump.

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Speaker 6: Trump endorsed him as he won. Now they have a

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Speaker 6: very frosty, awkward relationship after twenty twenty. So the Republican

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Speaker 6: Party in Georgia is very, very split. And I would

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Speaker 6: say Arkansas there is a faction that doesn't like the

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Speaker 6: governor now and she's talking about running for president at

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Speaker 6: some point, or it's being discussed. She's may not be

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Speaker 6: openly talking about it, but there are factions that are appearing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really, I think interesting because this state is

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Speaker 1: so important.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean John Ossoff is the Senator who's up

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Speaker 6: for reelection to the downright. He won in a runoff,

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Speaker 6: you know, the day before January sixth, and that election.

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Speaker 4: A lot of Republicans, to be talked to.

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Speaker 6: Them here, blame they blame of a loss on the

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Speaker 6: fact that Donald Trump had spent several months after losing

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Speaker 6: in Georgia going around the state saying the elections don't matter.

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Speaker 6: I was robbed and so Republican voters didn't show up,

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Speaker 6: and so now we have two Democratic senators in a

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Speaker 6: state that is otherwise pretty much dominated by the Republican Party.

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Speaker 6: So he was, you know, Asoff was after Trump's win

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Speaker 6: last last year and then some other political fights within

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Speaker 6: the Democratic Party after that loss.

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Speaker 4: Osoff was start of struggling, and now he's a powerhouse.

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Speaker 4: He's raised tons of money. Everyone's behind him.

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Speaker 6: Democrats are unified and angry, and the Republicans are struggling

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Speaker 6: to get a good, strong candidate against him. And they

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Speaker 6: tried to get Brian Kemp among others, to run for

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Speaker 6: the Senate seat, and he didn't do it. Of course,

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Speaker 6: there's real worry among Republicans that this and we've written

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Speaker 6: about this, that the the ass Off they're not even

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Speaker 6: going to consider it a serious challenge. They're going to

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Speaker 6: be spending their money. Yeah, they're spending their money in Ohio, Texas.

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Speaker 6: They got other problems.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, with the luck of the ass Off, that guy

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Speaker 1: is very lucky. Thank you, thank you, thank you, Cameron.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, great talking to you.

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Speaker 1: With Wilson.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Moley.

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Speaker 1: Later we talk about Luran nuclear deal and Trump, do

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Speaker 1: you rip it up because it has the word Obama

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Speaker 1: In another thing Donald Trump is interested in getting.

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Speaker 3: Rid of that would be Obamacare. I have bad news

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Speaker 3: for the Republican Party. And I can say this as

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Speaker 3: someone who in my Republican Party days working for very

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Speaker 3: well funded Republican super PACs. I went to my corporate

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Speaker 3: masters at that point and I said, hey, I've got

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00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 3: some bad news. America don't want to do pre existing

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00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 3: conditions anymore, and they don't want to get fucked on

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00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 3: deductibles anymore. And they don't want health insurance companies raping

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Speaker 3: and pillaging anymore. And no matter how we spend it

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Speaker 3: in these focus groups, they're not buying it. And if

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Speaker 3: this becomes if it gets out there, you will never

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Speaker 3: get rid of it. Sure enough, people really liked some

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Speaker 3: tiny little fig leaf of government intervention against insurance companies

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Speaker 3: who they just love by Americas just love the insurance companies.

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Speaker 3: They love them. So Trump's solution to Obamacare is to

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Speaker 3: get rid of all the protections that Obamacare provided, and

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Speaker 3: to get rid of the substance for health insurance that

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Speaker 3: Obamacare provided, and then quote unquote give Americans the money

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Speaker 3: to pay whom. Oh wait, the insurance companies. This is

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Speaker 3: I would say this is politically idiotic, but that goes

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Speaker 3: with the territory. This is politically cataclysmic. People are already furious.

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Speaker 3: You want to know where the highest uptake of Obamacare

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Speaker 3: in the whole country is where Dade County, Florida.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Repuplicans don't call it Obamacare. They call it my ACA,

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Speaker 3: my ACA, I'm gonna get my ACA, and they love it.

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Speaker 3: Largest county in Florida with the highest percentage of Obamacare

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Speaker 3: uptake in the country. And by the way, per capita,

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Speaker 3: pound for pound, MAGA voters are more likely to have

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Speaker 3: Obamacare than not. That is a moment of fuckery.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Rick Wilson.

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Speaker 3: As always, I'll see you next time.

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