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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, peezs, and welcome to Woke f Daily with

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<v Speaker 1>Meet your Girl Danielle Moody. Recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. Folks.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up in the show on this Woke Wednesday, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be talking with our usual in house doctor, doctor Jonathan

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<v Speaker 1>Metzel about the latest with COVID nineteen. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>start today though, with politics and the state of our

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<v Speaker 1>democracy and the fact that this week Joe Biden's administration

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<v Speaker 1>is coming up on year one. On today's Woke Wednesday

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<v Speaker 1>at three thirty pm Eastern on Instagram Live, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to be providing what I believe is my report card

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<v Speaker 1>for Joe Biden and this administration, And so I want

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<v Speaker 1>to kick things off on today's Woke a f with that,

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<v Speaker 1>with getting us all thinking about it's been a year, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, at the beginning of the month, we acknowledged

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<v Speaker 1>the year anniversary of the insurrection, the attempt to overthrow

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<v Speaker 1>our government, the recognition that it's still happening, that there

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<v Speaker 1>is a slow moving coup that has been rolling across

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<v Speaker 1>the United States probably since Donald Trump became President of

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, but definitely hit a fever pitch in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty and it hasn't shown any signs of slowing.

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<v Speaker 1>And what is really interesting to me when I turned

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<v Speaker 1>on the news after the long holiday weekend and am

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<v Speaker 1>seeing headlines like White House changes messaging strategy or White

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<v Speaker 1>House signals new pivot on messaging strategy, or year two,

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<v Speaker 1>what will the agenda be? Because all of the previous

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<v Speaker 1>things that this president has wanted to do outside of

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<v Speaker 1>physical infrastructure has indeed failed. And so I posted on

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter and if you don't follow me, you should at

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<v Speaker 1>D two cents d E two c e nts. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>also thinking about changing that name. Let me know what

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<v Speaker 1>you think about that, basically to my actual name. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know so far, I put up this poll, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know how I think about polls. But I

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<v Speaker 1>like polling you all. I like polling my own audience

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<v Speaker 1>because I know who I'm talking to. And basically, this

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<v Speaker 1>administration is polling pretty fucking low in comparison to other

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<v Speaker 1>presidents and in their first year. To be fair to

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<v Speaker 1>this administration, everything that they're dealing with are things that

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<v Speaker 1>have never been dealt with by any president beforehand. All

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time, now you can come into the

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<v Speaker 1>presidency and there can be a lagging economy. You can

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<v Speaker 1>come in and there can be you know, foreign adversaries

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<v Speaker 1>and and threats abroad. You can come in and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we may be talking about education or healthcare, what have you.

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<v Speaker 1>But to be fair, this administration came into an absolute

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<v Speaker 1>fucking shit show. Right. Not only were they coming in

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<v Speaker 1>the midst where we were just becoming aware that there

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<v Speaker 1>was a COVID nineteen vaccine, but that at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>right that both Kamala Harris and Joe Biden were sworn

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<v Speaker 1>in at that time. Just think about this for a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>A year ago, four hundred thousand people had died of COVID.

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<v Speaker 1>A year later, that number has more than doubled. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you came in to this new administration with the

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<v Speaker 1>hopes that you were going to ride your mid term elections,

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<v Speaker 1>your presidency on you being the adult in the room

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<v Speaker 1>and being able to deal with COVID nineteen and roll

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<v Speaker 1>out vaccines and get the country is shot in the

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<v Speaker 1>arm and all of those things. Well, if we're just

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<v Speaker 1>looking at the death metrics, right, or if we're looking

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<v Speaker 1>at the positivity rates, if we're looking at this administration's

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<v Speaker 1>handling of any of those things, what grade would you

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<v Speaker 1>give them, because I can tell you right now that

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<v Speaker 1>they're barely passing. Now, this is not for me to

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<v Speaker 1>say that they should have been prepared for omicron, But

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<v Speaker 1>here's the thing that they should have been fucking prepared for,

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<v Speaker 1>which is had a message to the American people because

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump and the Republicans were doing a bang up

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<v Speaker 1>fucking job telling people not to wear a mask, telling

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<v Speaker 1>them that the COVID nineteen virus was a hoax, telling

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<v Speaker 1>them to drink bleach, telling them to take horse tranquil liarser,

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<v Speaker 1>it's telling them to drink their own urine. They came

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<v Speaker 1>in understanding that the war that we are at is

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily just with the Republican cult party, right, but

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<v Speaker 1>it is with their ability to share their cult messages

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<v Speaker 1>and have people bide onto it right, and have even

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<v Speaker 1>those that are supposed to be at the height at

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<v Speaker 1>the peak of our intellectual prowess, like say, oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, members of the Supreme Court parroting the same

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<v Speaker 1>right wing extremist thoughts with regard to COVID nineteen, which

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<v Speaker 1>is now informing how they decide to throw out Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Biden's mandates, and saying that certain agencies like OSHA right

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<v Speaker 1>don't have the power to be able to institute these

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<v Speaker 1>types of mandates that it would need to be an

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<v Speaker 1>Act of Congress. But the fact is is that if

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<v Speaker 1>you were to actually listening, listen to the questions that

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<v Speaker 1>a Gorsitch or a Thomas are offering, they sound like

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<v Speaker 1>they're on O N. They sound like they're coming from

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<v Speaker 1>Fox News. So it's almost laughable to see headlines now

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<v Speaker 1>in the news about the White House pivoting their messaging

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<v Speaker 1>when the only fucking thing that needed to matter with

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<v Speaker 1>them coming into office was how do we get the

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<v Speaker 1>right messagers? What is our message and how do we

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<v Speaker 1>get that out on podcasts, on radio, on TV, word

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<v Speaker 1>of mouth, on social media? What is the plan looking

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<v Speaker 1>at and interrogating the way that the right wing has

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<v Speaker 1>been able to capitalize right on their lies and have

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<v Speaker 1>that miseducation and misinformation spread like wildfire. What were the

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<v Speaker 1>Biden administration's plans to disrupt that? Narrow? Because I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>seen one. Now, you have seen organizations right like the

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<v Speaker 1>Lincoln Project. Because all of these projects and programs and

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<v Speaker 1>fucking organizations are run usually by men, usually by white men,

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<v Speaker 1>who continue to get caught literally and figuratively with their

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<v Speaker 1>fucking pants down, or just not knowing how one should

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<v Speaker 1>conduct themselves in a professional setting, So which goes to

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<v Speaker 1>undermine the entire mission that Lincoln Project had been after

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<v Speaker 1>and had actually captivated a lot of eyes around, which

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<v Speaker 1>was their messaging strategy. So to me, I think to myself,

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<v Speaker 1>why is it that the White House that Democrats as

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<v Speaker 1>a whole, whether it is the d n C right

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<v Speaker 1>the Democratic National Committee, whether it is the d SCC,

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<v Speaker 1>the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, or the D Triple C,

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<v Speaker 1>the Democratic Congressional Campaign Company. Why you have these institutions

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<v Speaker 1>and these apparatus that are supposed to be building the

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<v Speaker 1>pipeline of our candidates and the ones that are gathering

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<v Speaker 1>these messaging and talking points. Tell me again why it's

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<v Speaker 1>so difficult to match what works and then use the

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<v Speaker 1>power of these agencies and these offices to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to amplify it like this. It's these places that I

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<v Speaker 1>find myself where I'm like, if you know that you

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<v Speaker 1>have one major problem, and you're a one major problem

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<v Speaker 1>has now contributed to more depths and more misinformation as

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<v Speaker 1>it pertains to this fucking virus, Why wouldn't you figure

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<v Speaker 1>out you have the power of the White House to

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<v Speaker 1>gather all of the most important mouthpieces right in America,

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<v Speaker 1>to gather them and figure out how are you getting

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<v Speaker 1>the word out? How can we partner with the TikTok's

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<v Speaker 1>and the TikTok stars and not just to come in

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<v Speaker 1>and say, get a shot in your arm and take

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<v Speaker 1>a picture with the President. But I'm talking about consistent

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<v Speaker 1>fucking messaging, right, Like, what is it that this White

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<v Speaker 1>House should be learning and should have been learning right

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<v Speaker 1>as they were coming into power and over the past

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<v Speaker 1>year that we have seen none of it done. So

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<v Speaker 1>when I am thinking about this one major problem of

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<v Speaker 1>messaging that is absolutely like the nail and the coffin

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<v Speaker 1>to our democracy, I'm outdone by the laziness on the

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<v Speaker 1>part of this administration to just think that putting a

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<v Speaker 1>grown up or somebody that was perceived as a grown

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<v Speaker 1>up in the room was going to be enough, That

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<v Speaker 1>just exercising Donald tru from the White House was going

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<v Speaker 1>to mean a pluses across the board. That's not what

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<v Speaker 1>has happened. And what I find really frustrating about government

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<v Speaker 1>just in general is the fact that it is so

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<v Speaker 1>huge makes it less nimble to be able to adapt

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<v Speaker 1>to change. And when we are in a rapidly changing environment, right,

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<v Speaker 1>both politically culturally as a society, When we are in

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<v Speaker 1>this rapid environment, how effective can this dinosaur of an

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<v Speaker 1>operation be in messaging to the people that are literally

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<v Speaker 1>on their devices, on their computers, sitting down in front

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<v Speaker 1>of streaming services day in and day out. How do

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<v Speaker 1>you infiltrate that? But there are people who have done

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<v Speaker 1>so effectively, and yet you're not using those people to

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<v Speaker 1>your advantage, right, You're not using industries to your advantage.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not sitting down at least as far as we

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<v Speaker 1>can see, because the messaging is fucking stagnant and stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>If I hear one more fucking politician that is one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred years old talk to me about, well, we'll just

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<v Speaker 1>continue the fight, bitch, I don't want to just continue

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<v Speaker 1>your fight, right. I want new strategies, so I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>just pushing a boulder up the fucking hill. I want

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<v Speaker 1>new strategies and pivots and ideas about how we fight differently,

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<v Speaker 1>how we fight dirtier, how we actually get to the

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<v Speaker 1>heart of the heart of the thing, not just the

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<v Speaker 1>no one's above the law, but we're actually not going

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<v Speaker 1>to use the laws to their fullest right. We're actually

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<v Speaker 1>not going to find the thoughtful ways in which to

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<v Speaker 1>make laws amenable to what we're dealing with. Now. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I listened to a cable news reporter on CNN say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like voting rights is, you know, just dead

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<v Speaker 1>in the water. So we're just going to move on

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<v Speaker 1>from that. What's next for the Biden administration? And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>saying to myself, what's next for the Biden administration? Nothing?

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<v Speaker 1>You haven't been able to do, Dick with the one

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<v Speaker 1>year that you had that was going to be outside

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<v Speaker 1>of midterms and dealing with the pressures of that. You

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<v Speaker 1>had one year to grab America's attention. You had one

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<v Speaker 1>year for them to understand the urgency of this moment

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<v Speaker 1>as it pertains to holding onto our democracy right and

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<v Speaker 1>how those things feed into us having public health and

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<v Speaker 1>safety initiatives that keep us all well right, which feeds

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<v Speaker 1>into your economy problems, which feeds into right every fucking

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<v Speaker 1>thing else. It is the issue of siloed fucking thinking

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<v Speaker 1>and this hierarchical understanding of our crises. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>problem of thought, right, of linear thought is this is

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<v Speaker 1>the issue because you're not able to really look at

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<v Speaker 1>multiple issues at one time and see how one is

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<v Speaker 1>feeding into the next, feeding into the next, feeding into

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<v Speaker 1>the next. No. Instead, the way that it's organized and

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<v Speaker 1>the way that it is retold to us in the

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<v Speaker 1>news is like, well, this is the top of the agenda.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the middle of the agenda, this is the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom of the agenda. No, the agenda should be If

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to quote Joe Biden's campaign speech when he

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<v Speaker 1>was running, when he was candidate, Joe Biden, the soul

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<v Speaker 1>of America, Well, what the fuck does that look like?

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<v Speaker 1>If that is the heading, Well, it looks like secure

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<v Speaker 1>during our democracy. What does that look like? It looks

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<v Speaker 1>like holding those that are responsible for thwarting our democracy,

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<v Speaker 1>for trying to overturn an election. It looks like holding

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<v Speaker 1>those people responsible. And then it looks like taking those

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<v Speaker 1>taking that narrative right, and the push through the Department

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<v Speaker 1>of Justice, through the FBI, it looks like a purging right.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks like also on the one hand, holding people

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<v Speaker 1>criminally liable right for treason, for the conspiracy to overthrow

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<v Speaker 1>the government, the seditious conspiracy right. It looks like that,

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like the criminal responsibility part. And then what

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<v Speaker 1>are we doing policy wise in order to secure our

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<v Speaker 1>democracy to our overarching goal of saving the soul of America.

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<v Speaker 1>I am so frustrated with this administry, with Democrats and

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<v Speaker 1>what is just laziness, right. I heard a White House

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<v Speaker 1>official say, you know, when asked about the messaging, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not you know, we we don't have the ability

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<v Speaker 1>to go door to door. We can't go town to town.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm thinking to myself, really, because that's exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Bannon told his followers to do. He told them

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<v Speaker 1>that these next fights are coming at the local and

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<v Speaker 1>state level. So he told people to go run for

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<v Speaker 1>your student board, he'd for your school board, to go

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<v Speaker 1>run for city council, to go run for these open

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<v Speaker 1>positions and and local races that nobody's paying attention to.

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<v Speaker 1>But then all of a sudden, when you look up,

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<v Speaker 1>you realize that your entire state is under the control

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<v Speaker 1>of like a neo Hitler Trumps. Figure, where is that

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<v Speaker 1>messaging from Democrats telling people to get out on the

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<v Speaker 1>new That the new fight, right is at your school board,

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<v Speaker 1>that the new fight is at your city council, that

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<v Speaker 1>it's at your it's at the board of operations, right

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<v Speaker 1>of your community. Where is that messaging? This is why

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<v Speaker 1>I say that I sometimes folks outside of the policies,

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<v Speaker 1>loathe being a fucking Democrat because I hate losing. I

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<v Speaker 1>hate being a part of the loser party. I hate

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<v Speaker 1>being a part of the party that can't manage to

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<v Speaker 1>get it shipped together. I don't want to lambast our president,

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<v Speaker 1>but what else am I supposed to do? Pretend that

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<v Speaker 1>everything that they're doing is great. Pretend that Democrats have

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<v Speaker 1>a fucking clue as to how angry their constituents are.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things that I tweeted earlier this week

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<v Speaker 1>as well was imagine, imagine what our politics would look

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<v Speaker 1>like if Democrats cared as much or feared their base

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<v Speaker 1>as much as Republicans do. And you know, so many

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<v Speaker 1>people responded, and they're just like, well, the problem with

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<v Speaker 1>the Democratic base is that the base is black, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and black people have no place else to go. So

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<v Speaker 1>they're not going to cater to the base. They're going

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<v Speaker 1>to still continue to run after all of the Karens, right,

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<v Speaker 1>all of the white suburban Karents that haven't voted with

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<v Speaker 1>the Democratic Party since the nineteen fifties. But I am

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<v Speaker 1>so confused by that continued, failing, fucking strategy. How is

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<v Speaker 1>it that you feel that it consistently undermining and ignoring

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<v Speaker 1>your base? This administration would rather put fucking Maya Angela

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<v Speaker 1>on a fucking quarter, right, you know, highlight Juneteenth as

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<v Speaker 1>a federal fucking holiday, commemorate the murder of Emmett Till,

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<v Speaker 1>but refuse to give you voting rights and refuse to

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<v Speaker 1>pass any anti lynching lass. How the fuck is this

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<v Speaker 1>symbolism and pageantry supposed to make us feel? Well, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you what it makes me feel like. It makes

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<v Speaker 1>me feel like a little fucking kid that you're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to pacify with a bunch of fucking toys, right so

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<v Speaker 1>that they don't realize that you're not actually providing them

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<v Speaker 1>with shit, Like you're not giving them an education. They

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<v Speaker 1>don't really have a house to live under, they don't

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<v Speaker 1>have food on the table. But here are all of

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<v Speaker 1>these plastic fucking toys that you'll get bored with in

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. But at the moment you're distracted by

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<v Speaker 1>the Black community doesn't need your fucking distractions. That's number one,

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<v Speaker 1>and we are so hip to your hot shit that

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<v Speaker 1>what it's going to take, in my humble opinion, is

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<v Speaker 1>for people to just fucking walk away, to walk away

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<v Speaker 1>from the Democratic Party. Let Republicans do what white people

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<v Speaker 1>are going to do right, which is what they've been

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<v Speaker 1>doing right since slavery. I told you this last week,

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<v Speaker 1>what did I say? I said that you had twelve

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<v Speaker 1>good years of reconstruction that then was matched by one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred years of Jim Crow in modern times. We had

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<v Speaker 1>eight good years under the Obama administration that is now

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<v Speaker 1>probably going to be matched by a hundred years of

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<v Speaker 1>authoritarian and fascist regime, and that will be nobody else's

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<v Speaker 1>fucking fault but Democrats. And I'm laying it squarely on

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<v Speaker 1>this shoulder, because you see people the Republican Party, these

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<v Speaker 1>white fucking rabid racists are telling you out loud who

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<v Speaker 1>the fuck they are and exactly what it is that

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<v Speaker 1>they are doing, and you are doing nothing about it.

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<v Speaker 1>You are having closed door meetings with Joe Mansion and

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<v Speaker 1>kursin Cinema instead of doing what the Republican Party would

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<v Speaker 1>have done to their asses last year, which is stripped

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<v Speaker 1>them of their fucking leadership and shut them the fuck up, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's what I would do. It is past time

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<v Speaker 1>to fucking change the locks on the democratic chambers to

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Mansion and Kursen Cinema and any other two bit

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<v Speaker 1>fucking moderate democrat that wants to hide behind those two

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<v Speaker 1>who are media horse at best, take away their power,

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<v Speaker 1>reach out to all of the fucking news stations with

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<v Speaker 1>the same statement. At the same time, have the presser

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<v Speaker 1>event that says we are no longer going to be

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with Kursten Cinema or Joe Mansion because they have

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<v Speaker 1>expressed that they are against our shared democratic values and

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<v Speaker 1>our norms. Now, many of you right may say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>then you're just going to put them in Republican hands.

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<v Speaker 1>And I will ask you, how is that different than

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<v Speaker 1>what has been done? Right now? It is time that

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<v Speaker 1>we air out our dirty laundry and our bad apples,

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<v Speaker 1>because right now it is spoiling not just the bunch,

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<v Speaker 1>but our entire democracy. And at some point in time

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<v Speaker 1>you have to put a stake in the ground. This

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<v Speaker 1>is our stake in the ground. We are done, and

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<v Speaker 1>anyone else who objects to cohesive democratic values right and

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<v Speaker 1>decide to speak out on such you too will be booted.

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<v Speaker 1>We are looking for people that are going to champion

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<v Speaker 1>our causes, not just in rhetoric, but with their policies

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<v Speaker 1>and with their votes. And those two have shown us

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<v Speaker 1>time and time and that they are not with us.

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<v Speaker 1>So we are announcing publicly we are no longer with them.

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<v Speaker 1>Let the chips fall where they may, but at least

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<v Speaker 1>the people that voted this party into power would actually

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<v Speaker 1>feel as if they are fucking doing something with the

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<v Speaker 1>bad apples that they continue to court. The niceties are done,

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<v Speaker 1>the rhetoric is over. The pageantry I could do without.

0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:39.280
<v Speaker 1>If you're not going to deal with the problems that

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<v Speaker 1>are in front of you, then you should not be

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<v Speaker 1>trusted to deal with the potential problems that are in

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<v Speaker 1>front of us right that are down the road. The

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<v Speaker 1>midterms in twenty twenty two and how they are playing

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<v Speaker 1>out right now leading up nine months away to November,

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<v Speaker 1>are going to show us exactly where this country is going.

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<v Speaker 1>And all I have to say to you, dear friends,

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<v Speaker 1>is I hope that your passports are up to date, right.

0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:12.640
<v Speaker 1>I hope that you are being really thoughtful about your

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<v Speaker 1>resources and about your safety networks and what those look like,

0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:21.040
<v Speaker 1>and I do not say that glibly. I'm saying that

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<v Speaker 1>seriously because again, this is what it looks like when

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats have a slim margin of power, and it looks

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<v Speaker 1>really fucking dangerous to me. Coming up next is my

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<v Speaker 1>conversation with our dear friend, doctor Jonathan Metzel to run

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<v Speaker 1>us through the latest with the omicron variant and what

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<v Speaker 1>we need to know about COVID nineteen now and moving forward. Friends,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that when it is a Wednesday, we are

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<v Speaker 1>happy to be joined by our in house doctor, doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Metzel, to run through the latest with the COVID crisis. Jonathan,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to start out today and say this. I

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<v Speaker 1>have been having so many conversations with different friends and

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<v Speaker 1>family members, and there's just one thing that has popped

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<v Speaker 1>up to me is that we no longer have as

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<v Speaker 1>a country a shared value in life. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that what you know, I ended up tweeting out like

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<v Speaker 1>this long you know, long for me because I never

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<v Speaker 1>really tweet threads, but this long thread on how disturbing

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<v Speaker 1>it is to wake up to see our COVID numbers

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<v Speaker 1>that are astronomical in comparison to other countries around the world,

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<v Speaker 1>To wake up to the news that China has imposed

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<v Speaker 1>new lockdown restrictions that are affecting about twenty million people

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<v Speaker 1>in the country, which is about only one point five percent.

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<v Speaker 1>But there are fears about how that's going to impact

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<v Speaker 1>the supply chain because third of our manufacturing goods come

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<v Speaker 1>from China. You're already seeing our supply chain issues. But

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<v Speaker 1>what struck me, Jonathan, is the fact that news, mainstream

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<v Speaker 1>news right is covering the supply chain as a crisis,

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<v Speaker 1>but not talking about why China is taking the measures

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<v Speaker 1>that it did in twenty twenty to impose lockdown restrictions

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<v Speaker 1>to try and get a hold of Amicron. Now we

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<v Speaker 1>know that the Olympics is next month, so we also

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<v Speaker 1>understand that they have another motivated factor to not want

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<v Speaker 1>to once again be ground zero for a world outbreak.

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<v Speaker 1>But how is this sitting with you? Like, how is

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<v Speaker 1>the latest of where we are honestly genuinely sitting with you. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot in that question, so I'll just say yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, it's a mess right now. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>mess right now. So I want to say one thing

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<v Speaker 1>that just kind of hovers over all of this, which

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<v Speaker 1>I was sorry, which is that before before oh Micron hit,

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<v Speaker 1>before all this kind of stuff hit, we had a

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<v Speaker 1>great plan for Delta, right, And so I just I mean,

0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:20.400
<v Speaker 1>we've said it a bunch on this show, but the virus,

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<v Speaker 1>the virus sets the narrative, right, and so if if

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, of course it mutates, that's what viruses do.

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<v Speaker 1>But we had a great plan for Delta. We had

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<v Speaker 1>vaccines that work, social distancing worked, masks worked, and so

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<v Speaker 1>so much of what's happening now is because of the

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<v Speaker 1>change in the virus. Oh Micron is just a completely

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<v Speaker 1>different animal like and so we just can't control it.

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<v Speaker 1>And before I answer about China, I'll say, look at

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<v Speaker 1>a place like Israel, for example. Israel is a place

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<v Speaker 1>that has been very aggressive, very active in vaccinating people

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<v Speaker 1>three or four times. And even in a place like

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<v Speaker 1>Israel that is seemingly done everything right short total lockdown,

0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:04.359
<v Speaker 1>they're seeing dramatically high numbers. Look at New Zealand. New

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<v Speaker 1>Zealand had basically zero cases for a very long time,

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<v Speaker 1>but the minute oh Micron hit, they just were like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>we can't stop this thing. And now they're seeing record spread.

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<v Speaker 1>Same thing with Australia. And so I think that in

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<v Speaker 1>a way, the question is we're not. We just obviously

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<v Speaker 1>not yet don't have the kind of authoritarian structure that

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<v Speaker 1>a place like China does. So I think that the

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<v Speaker 1>comparable countries to the United States are places like Israel, Australia,

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<v Speaker 1>New Zealand, and I think in those cases they're also

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<v Speaker 1>seeing this dramatic spread. And so the problem with the

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<v Speaker 1>United States isn't just the numbers, of course that's a

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<v Speaker 1>huge problem. It's also that this kind of chaos is

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<v Speaker 1>then being used to destabilize our political system because people

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<v Speaker 1>then are saying, you know, you see, the vaccines don't work,

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<v Speaker 1>and Fauci's a liar and blah blah blah, all those

0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:56.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of things. And so in a way that it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a perfect storm of the virus against setting

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<v Speaker 1>the narrative and then that being used to destabilize our

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<v Speaker 1>country as being proof of some bigger kind of conspiracy

0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:10.040
<v Speaker 1>or something. And that really is the runaway train, the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that the fact that again chaos is very beneficial

0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:19.679
<v Speaker 1>for half the people in our country. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to pick up on what you just said, particularly

0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:29.399
<v Speaker 1>around Israel, because while I have my many issues with

0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Israel and how they've rolled out, and who they've rolled

0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:37.240
<v Speaker 1>out their vaccine program too, and who is denied, which

0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:44.640
<v Speaker 1>is Palestinians versus israelis their latest study on the fourth vaccine. Right,

0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:47.640
<v Speaker 1>So Israel has been our and we've talked about this before.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been watching what they do as a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>instead of actually driving it over here. Right, So they

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<v Speaker 1>did the first they were the first to do the

0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:03.600
<v Speaker 1>third booster shot. Now they have rolled out for a

0:29:03.680 --> 0:29:08.360
<v Speaker 1>partial part of their population a fourth vaccine shot. But

0:29:08.840 --> 0:29:12.160
<v Speaker 1>what has been announced thus far is that the fourth

0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:16.440
<v Speaker 1>vaccine is still not enough to stop Amicron in its tracks.

0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:21.960
<v Speaker 1>And so you know, you you look at these at

0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:25.600
<v Speaker 1>these countries who, in my humble opinion as it pertains

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<v Speaker 1>to public health, have been instituting better guidelines and forethought

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of how to keep the country safe. Whether

0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:38.440
<v Speaker 1>it's whether it's driven because of capitalistic interests or not.

0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:43.680
<v Speaker 1>It seems that people who have Jonathan lesser numbers than

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<v Speaker 1>we are are taking more aggressive steps. Can you speak

0:29:46.680 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 1>to that? And like that? And to be and again

0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:53.600
<v Speaker 1>this that is not being reported. What's being reported is

0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:56.760
<v Speaker 1>the crisis in manufacturing jobs and this, that and the

0:29:56.760 --> 0:30:00.680
<v Speaker 1>other thing, not the aggressive steps for public health and

0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:04.200
<v Speaker 1>safety that these countries are taken. Yeah, I mean, like

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<v Speaker 1>really honestly, the scary and terrifying part about this is

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<v Speaker 1>there's no answer, right. I mean with Delta again, we

0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:14.720
<v Speaker 1>had we had an answer. Science beat Delta. Then the

0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:17.360
<v Speaker 1>big O came along and we don't really have an answer.

0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:19.800
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like think about Caveman when the t

0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Rex came into being and they were trying different things

0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:24.880
<v Speaker 1>like do we put salt on our head and run around?

0:30:24.920 --> 0:30:26.760
<v Speaker 1>Do we put ketchup on our head and run around?

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<v Speaker 1>But they had no answer. The t rex ate them

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<v Speaker 1>every time because they weren't the apex predator of the

0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:34.720
<v Speaker 1>planet anymore. And that's kind of what's happening here. Like

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:37.880
<v Speaker 1>we keep thinking, we keep trying to think. Our narrative

0:30:37.920 --> 0:30:41.280
<v Speaker 1>goes over the virus and I think, you know, viral humility.

0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:43.920
<v Speaker 1>I think it is super important here because there are

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<v Speaker 1>more variations and mutations coming and so I don't know,

0:30:50.200 --> 0:30:52.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean right now, honestly, I'll be honest, there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>no solid answer except for you know, doing the best

0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:58.160
<v Speaker 1>we can with the safety measures we can. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>part of the frustration on my part is that people

0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:03.239
<v Speaker 1>will say, oh my god, the vaccine doesn't work. Well,

0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:06.200
<v Speaker 1>the vaccine does work. The vaccine works in that it

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<v Speaker 1>lowers the rate of severe illness, which lowers the burden

0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:14.040
<v Speaker 1>on the healthcare system. Masks lower the rate of severe illness,

0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:17.720
<v Speaker 1>and so the healthcare system doesn't get hit with a

0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:20.959
<v Speaker 1>tidal wave of patients. You're seeing places like Oklahoma right

0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:25.040
<v Speaker 1>before we went on air this morning declared that ICEE

0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:28.920
<v Speaker 1>emergency Tennessee. The cases have gone up like seven. And

0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:31.680
<v Speaker 1>so part of the story here isn't just like an

0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:34.479
<v Speaker 1>individual story about like oh me and my body and

0:31:34.480 --> 0:31:36.760
<v Speaker 1>my thing. It's also like, let's think about this as

0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:39.520
<v Speaker 1>a system and what can we do to lessen the

0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:42.480
<v Speaker 1>burden on the system so the system doesn't collapse. And

0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:44.840
<v Speaker 1>Americans just don't think that way. And I think people

0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:47.000
<v Speaker 1>in other countries have an easier time thinking about that.

0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:52.400
<v Speaker 1>And I think really that's the main issue is I mean, again,

0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:57.160
<v Speaker 1>this Israel study. I'm very interested because people people got it,

0:31:57.200 --> 0:31:59.280
<v Speaker 1>and we that's no surprise. I mean, you just walk

0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:02.120
<v Speaker 1>around the street, zillion boosted people are all getting it.

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:05.360
<v Speaker 1>The question is did they get admitted to the hospital

0:32:05.520 --> 0:32:07.840
<v Speaker 1>to lessen the severity of their illness. I think that's

0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:09.640
<v Speaker 1>going to be the really important thing. The other very

0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:13.040
<v Speaker 1>important point about that Israel study is that it's pre publication.

0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 1>It hasn't been peer reviewed, it hasn't been looked at,

0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:17.600
<v Speaker 1>and so it's it was like, I think, two hundred

0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:20.440
<v Speaker 1>and seventy people in a healthcare system. So I would

0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:22.920
<v Speaker 1>I would hold off on, you know, I would hold

0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 1>off until we know a bit more, right, Yeah, But

0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:30.080
<v Speaker 1>again the question is I think the bigger issue besides

0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:33.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the bigger issue that's not being told nearly

0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:35.400
<v Speaker 1>enough is that our healthcare system is about to fall apart,

0:32:36.440 --> 0:32:39.600
<v Speaker 1>and they're we're running out of workers and people are exhausted,

0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:42.560
<v Speaker 1>and we can't you know, we just our healthcare system

0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:45.320
<v Speaker 1>is honestly near and collapse, and that is a catastrophe

0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:49.560
<v Speaker 1>waiting to happen. Yeah, Jonathan, I feel like, you know,

0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:52.160
<v Speaker 1>and particularly you and I on this show, right because

0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:55.080
<v Speaker 1>for the past two years, we've been dealing with something

0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:59.080
<v Speaker 1>that you know, we're we're trying to understand in real time, right, Like,

0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 1>we're trying to understand stand and distill in real time

0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:07.520
<v Speaker 1>what is happening. And when we say things like democracy

0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:10.920
<v Speaker 1>is about to fall or the healthcare system is about

0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:14.800
<v Speaker 1>to collapse. What is it that you think is being

0:33:15.040 --> 0:33:20.640
<v Speaker 1>missed in the delivery of that message for people to understand? Like,

0:33:21.080 --> 0:33:26.120
<v Speaker 1>what are we not describing so that everyone has that

0:33:26.280 --> 0:33:29.280
<v Speaker 1>oh shit moment like this is about to happen, Like

0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:32.680
<v Speaker 1>when we say a hospital is about to collapse, a

0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:36.120
<v Speaker 1>hospital system is about to collapse? Can you paint that picture?

0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:38.560
<v Speaker 1>What are we missing? I think we're missing the what

0:33:38.640 --> 0:33:40.560
<v Speaker 1>to do about it? I mean, I think for them,

0:33:40.680 --> 0:33:42.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, certainly, if you watch the Trump rally the

0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:46.200
<v Speaker 1>other day, I mean there's a lot of wackadoodle going

0:33:46.200 --> 0:33:48.680
<v Speaker 1>on right now. M JFK Junior is going to rise

0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:52.440
<v Speaker 1>from the dead and run on the Goop ticket and

0:33:52.440 --> 0:33:54.120
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. I mean, hell, a lot of it

0:33:54.200 --> 0:33:58.960
<v Speaker 1>for him. But so But but the question is so

0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:01.200
<v Speaker 1>I think I think the crazy is in people's face

0:34:01.280 --> 0:34:03.640
<v Speaker 1>right now. I don't think there's much mystery about that

0:34:04.320 --> 0:34:07.840
<v Speaker 1>to Santis is hiring basically the Gestapo to run the

0:34:07.880 --> 0:34:10.479
<v Speaker 1>elections in Florida, Like it's it's you can't really miss

0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:12.640
<v Speaker 1>it right now for most people. But I think there's

0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:14.680
<v Speaker 1>also like a what the hell do I do about it?

0:34:14.760 --> 0:34:17.520
<v Speaker 1>Right there's so much anxiety and so I think the

0:34:17.640 --> 0:34:20.360
<v Speaker 1>issue is not so much the diagnosis. I think the

0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:24.799
<v Speaker 1>issue is what concrete steps, what exact steps can I do?

0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:29.360
<v Speaker 1>There was actually I thought a really interesting op ed

0:34:29.400 --> 0:34:31.120
<v Speaker 1>in the New York Times this morning about how the

0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Democrats are taking the Hispanic vote for granted in a

0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:39.319
<v Speaker 1>particular way, and it was an interesting, interesting piece, but

0:34:39.400 --> 0:34:43.239
<v Speaker 1>basically he said, you know, there's so much voter suppression

0:34:43.239 --> 0:34:45.759
<v Speaker 1>and immigration and rallying crime, but you're not telling me

0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:49.239
<v Speaker 1>very concretely, what is your pro growth policy? What is

0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:51.719
<v Speaker 1>concretely your what are concretely are you going to do

0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:54.640
<v Speaker 1>beyond yelling about injustice and stuff like that, which there

0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:58.720
<v Speaker 1>is to concretely make next steps for growth or something

0:34:58.760 --> 0:35:01.480
<v Speaker 1>like that, as opposed to the GOP, who we don't like,

0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:04.600
<v Speaker 1>but their stance is like we're keeping business open no

0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:06.200
<v Speaker 1>matter what and all that kind of stuff. That makes

0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:08.160
<v Speaker 1>sense to me. And so I think right now there's

0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:11.600
<v Speaker 1>a lot of yelling about the issue the diagnosis, and

0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:14.640
<v Speaker 1>there's no shortage of stuff. I mean, just look at DeSantis.

0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:16.840
<v Speaker 1>But I think I think people are frozen. That's my

0:35:17.120 --> 0:35:19.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I've no evidence for this, but it's like,

0:35:19.719 --> 0:35:22.120
<v Speaker 1>what concrete steps are we going to do to get

0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:24.520
<v Speaker 1>out of this, and that's hard because the stakes are

0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:27.960
<v Speaker 1>so high, the goalposts keep changing, the virus is so scary.

0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:30.040
<v Speaker 1>So but but I think that's the issue. I don't

0:35:30.040 --> 0:35:32.640
<v Speaker 1>know what what's your sense about that. I'm curious, you know,

0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:36.560
<v Speaker 1>it is I feel like we are a nation of

0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:40.400
<v Speaker 1>deer is caught in the headlights, right, Like I feel

0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:43.600
<v Speaker 1>like there is you know. And this is the thing.

0:35:44.080 --> 0:35:47.000
<v Speaker 1>I had a friend who she was like, oh, you know,

0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:49.400
<v Speaker 1>what are you doing this weekend? Right? And I was

0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:51.799
<v Speaker 1>just like, well, I'm not gonna I'm not really doing

0:35:51.920 --> 0:35:55.040
<v Speaker 1>much these days, right. I'm back on a self imposed

0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:58.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, lockdown right where I don't want to go

0:35:58.680 --> 0:36:01.640
<v Speaker 1>out to eat inside of restaurants, and it's pretty cold

0:36:01.640 --> 0:36:03.480
<v Speaker 1>in New York right now for me to even want

0:36:03.480 --> 0:36:07.319
<v Speaker 1>to entertain eating outside at the myriad of places that

0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:10.120
<v Speaker 1>you can go to to eat outside, even with heaters

0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:12.799
<v Speaker 1>seventeen degrees over the weekend, right, I'm not doing that.

0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:17.200
<v Speaker 1>And her response was, it's really interesting because according to

0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:21.520
<v Speaker 1>my timeline, COVID is over right, and so it's like

0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:25.440
<v Speaker 1>in my little bubble universe that I've created for myself

0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:29.120
<v Speaker 1>of safety, what makes me feel safe. Is what I'm

0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:32.560
<v Speaker 1>recognizing is not the norm, right, Like it is more

0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:36.279
<v Speaker 1>so the norm for people to be like, well, I'm

0:36:36.320 --> 0:36:39.319
<v Speaker 1>out and I'm boosted, and if I get amicron, i

0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:41.719
<v Speaker 1>am not going to go into the hospital. Maybe I'll

0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:43.600
<v Speaker 1>have a fever for a couple of days, and I'm

0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:46.920
<v Speaker 1>willing to deal with that so that i can have

0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:52.640
<v Speaker 1>a normal quote unquote normal life. And so for me,

0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:56.960
<v Speaker 1>it's just like this, this sense is the question that

0:36:57.000 --> 0:37:01.400
<v Speaker 1>I was going to open up our conversation, is Jonathan,

0:37:01.440 --> 0:37:04.839
<v Speaker 1>am I just still making much ado about nothing? Like

0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:09.440
<v Speaker 1>are we the last of like the same minds that

0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:11.920
<v Speaker 1>just need to bend to the will of the masses,

0:37:12.000 --> 0:37:14.799
<v Speaker 1>that like this isn't a big deal and we just

0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:17.239
<v Speaker 1>need to keep it pushing, and like it is what

0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:21.480
<v Speaker 1>it is, because that's the narrative from the anchors on

0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:24.600
<v Speaker 1>the news. It's the narrative that I see in the papers.

0:37:25.080 --> 0:37:28.680
<v Speaker 1>It is like everywhere, It's everywhere in terms of it's

0:37:28.719 --> 0:37:32.640
<v Speaker 1>not just the anti vaxers and the Trumpers, it's everywhere.

0:37:32.960 --> 0:37:34.560
<v Speaker 1>And so I'm like, am I going to be the

0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:38.360
<v Speaker 1>last one hanging onto a K ninety five mask? Burrowed

0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:42.800
<v Speaker 1>in my Brooklyn apartment, when the world is going to continue,

0:37:42.800 --> 0:37:45.759
<v Speaker 1>when America is going to continue doing what America does,

0:37:45.800 --> 0:37:47.960
<v Speaker 1>which is not really given a fuck. I mean, we

0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:52.560
<v Speaker 1>talked last week on this show about how Scandinavian countries,

0:37:52.600 --> 0:37:56.560
<v Speaker 1>a number of them, have declared COVID the number one

0:37:56.680 --> 0:37:59.600
<v Speaker 1>chronic illness, the number one threat to their long term

0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:03.880
<v Speaker 1>care facilities. And the reason they do that is because again,

0:38:04.120 --> 0:38:07.120
<v Speaker 1>COVID crosses the blood brain barrier. It gets in your brain,

0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:09.200
<v Speaker 1>it gets in your heart. This version doesn't get in

0:38:09.200 --> 0:38:11.000
<v Speaker 1>your lungs, but it gets in an awful lot of

0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:13.960
<v Speaker 1>other places that you kind of you know, you want

0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:18.359
<v Speaker 1>a little quality, sanctified airspace there. You don't you don't

0:38:18.400 --> 0:38:22.360
<v Speaker 1>want other flanes flying into that airspace, but this virus

0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:24.680
<v Speaker 1>is going in there. And so in a way, the

0:38:24.840 --> 0:38:27.760
<v Speaker 1>threat of mild or moderate COVID isn't just the immediate

0:38:27.760 --> 0:38:32.040
<v Speaker 1>affection infection. It's that you're going to have vertigo or

0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:36.840
<v Speaker 1>short you know, cardiovascular disease that makes it harder for

0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:39.080
<v Speaker 1>you to do. I mean, we're seeing heart attacks, strokes,

0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:41.839
<v Speaker 1>autoimmune disease, all these things go up, and so in

0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:44.600
<v Speaker 1>a way, the long term effects of this are pretty

0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:48.560
<v Speaker 1>significant still even from my quote unquote mild version of this.

0:38:50.280 --> 0:38:52.680
<v Speaker 1>And the other thing is there are a lot of

0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:55.000
<v Speaker 1>treatments that might be helpful, like the Fiser pill, but

0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:57.480
<v Speaker 1>they're not going to be really ready until next year.

0:38:57.520 --> 0:39:00.719
<v Speaker 1>And so I mean, I'm with you in a way.

0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:02.680
<v Speaker 1>I think you still should do everything you can to

0:39:02.760 --> 0:39:06.560
<v Speaker 1>not get this as much as possible. I've been you know,

0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:09.680
<v Speaker 1>you can tell by my top shelf appliances here that

0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:13.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm still in Brooklyn, but I'm flying to Nashville Monday morning,

0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:18.239
<v Speaker 1>where the positivity rate is now over forty And so

0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:20.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm but I'm going to double mask and I'm not

0:39:20.440 --> 0:39:22.160
<v Speaker 1>talking to anybody. But again, like you know, I'm just

0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:25.880
<v Speaker 1>gonna I'm going to do my best. But but I

0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:28.040
<v Speaker 1>don't think that there's a winning argument of let's just

0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:29.640
<v Speaker 1>go get this and get it over with. That was

0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:31.960
<v Speaker 1>the fantasy about this thing initially, But I think that's

0:39:31.960 --> 0:39:35.400
<v Speaker 1>turning out to be completely not true. Yeah, And I

0:39:35.440 --> 0:39:38.880
<v Speaker 1>think that you know, what what is making me really

0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:42.839
<v Speaker 1>just you know, continue to be concerned is that I

0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:46.600
<v Speaker 1>feel like the minority, right, I feel like you and

0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:49.640
<v Speaker 1>I and you know, and folks that listen to this

0:39:49.680 --> 0:39:53.040
<v Speaker 1>show that are kind of guided by what the recommendations

0:39:53.080 --> 0:39:55.920
<v Speaker 1>that you offer, the recommendations that Fauci offers, not so

0:39:56.000 --> 0:39:59.200
<v Speaker 1>much the CDC because I really don't trust them. U.

0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:05.360
<v Speaker 1>It's just it feels like that group continues to shrink.

0:40:05.800 --> 0:40:11.279
<v Speaker 1>And yet the problem, Jonathan, the actual numbers right and

0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:13.640
<v Speaker 1>like again, and so folks keep telling me, well, we're

0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:16.080
<v Speaker 1>not counting the right things. And so this is another

0:40:16.120 --> 0:40:18.600
<v Speaker 1>area that I want to address with you, is that

0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:24.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, we're focusing on deaths and hospitalizations, but like

0:40:24.200 --> 0:40:27.200
<v Speaker 1>we shouldn't be focusing on those things. So tell me,

0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:30.879
<v Speaker 1>in your opinion, what are the metrics that we should

0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:36.600
<v Speaker 1>be focused on and frankly continue to be concerned about. Yeah. Again,

0:40:36.640 --> 0:40:38.839
<v Speaker 1>like you know, the first thing that came out was oh,

0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:40.640
<v Speaker 1>this thing is mild, just go get it and get

0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:44.600
<v Speaker 1>over with. That was that was well before any data

0:40:44.719 --> 0:40:49.040
<v Speaker 1>or information that we had. And now I think people

0:40:49.040 --> 0:40:52.400
<v Speaker 1>who know are saying, man, do everything you can to

0:40:52.480 --> 0:40:55.320
<v Speaker 1>not get this right. Um, don't use a cloth mask,

0:40:55.520 --> 0:41:00.080
<v Speaker 1>use an end mask or a better mask. So I

0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:02.760
<v Speaker 1>still think the safety measures are the same in a way.

0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:05.360
<v Speaker 1>The other scary parties. Again, our vaccines are just aren't

0:41:05.400 --> 0:41:07.480
<v Speaker 1>working as well. There's going to be probably. I'm sure

0:41:07.480 --> 0:41:10.080
<v Speaker 1>a new vaccine probably by next fall that will be

0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:13.560
<v Speaker 1>more specific to this strain of COVID or a more

0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:17.040
<v Speaker 1>kind of across the board COVID vaccine. So there's stuff

0:41:17.440 --> 0:41:19.759
<v Speaker 1>kind of coming down the pike, but right now it

0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:22.520
<v Speaker 1>just feels like a kind of crapshoot Russian Roulette kind

0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:26.360
<v Speaker 1>of deal. And a huge part of this story is

0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:30.320
<v Speaker 1>that up until Delta, not only did we have vaccines

0:41:30.360 --> 0:41:34.280
<v Speaker 1>that worked, but we also had monoclonal antibody treatments that worked,

0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:37.160
<v Speaker 1>and they were and they were abundantly available, and it

0:41:37.200 --> 0:41:39.880
<v Speaker 1>turned out that for the big o here, only this

0:41:40.040 --> 0:41:44.080
<v Speaker 1>one little teeny monoclonal antibody treatment that was kind of

0:41:44.080 --> 0:41:46.000
<v Speaker 1>relatively new and there's not very much of it in

0:41:46.040 --> 0:41:49.000
<v Speaker 1>the system is the only kind that works against it.

0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:52.040
<v Speaker 1>And so we also, i mean, monoclone antibodies were super

0:41:52.040 --> 0:41:55.839
<v Speaker 1>effective if you got COVID at limiting severe infection, and

0:41:55.880 --> 0:41:58.560
<v Speaker 1>that's not available either. So it's a pretty dangerous time

0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:01.040
<v Speaker 1>to just be kind of going to get it again.

0:42:01.400 --> 0:42:03.560
<v Speaker 1>I have family members who have it. You can't help it.

0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:07.239
<v Speaker 1>They're very careful, and it just ended up like this

0:42:07.239 --> 0:42:09.719
<v Speaker 1>thing is so infectious that it's just hard to hard

0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:11.960
<v Speaker 1>to avoid it. But I would say that right now

0:42:12.040 --> 0:42:14.319
<v Speaker 1>if you can avoid it, with the hospital system shut

0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:18.520
<v Speaker 1>down and with the lack of anti viral treatment and

0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:22.319
<v Speaker 1>monoclonal treatment, now is not a great time to get it.

0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:24.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you're going to get it, you know,

0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:28.000
<v Speaker 1>wait six months. Like you know, I have friends here

0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:31.239
<v Speaker 1>who at first one it was everybody was saying it

0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:33.960
<v Speaker 1>was mild. We had this plan. We were like going

0:42:34.040 --> 0:42:36.840
<v Speaker 1>to go to a strip club or lick the subway pole,

0:42:37.000 --> 0:42:39.520
<v Speaker 1>or do something crazy to get you know, to get it,

0:42:39.640 --> 0:42:42.160
<v Speaker 1>just get it over with. And but that was a fantasy.

0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:44.000
<v Speaker 1>That's actually not turning out to be the case. And

0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:46.520
<v Speaker 1>again we've talked about this for two years. The main

0:42:46.600 --> 0:42:49.560
<v Speaker 1>issue is this virus crosses the blood brain barrier and

0:42:49.560 --> 0:42:51.160
<v Speaker 1>can live in your brain for the rest of your life.

0:42:51.160 --> 0:42:55.520
<v Speaker 1>And so mild does not mean no long term. In fact,

0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:57.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's in some ways a bigger risk of

0:42:57.719 --> 0:43:00.240
<v Speaker 1>long term things. And so just for everybody out there,

0:43:01.320 --> 0:43:03.799
<v Speaker 1>don't do what I was planning on doing, licking the

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<v Speaker 1>subway pole. Don't do that. Now, do everything you can

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<v Speaker 1>still to not get it. Because even if you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get it, even if it feels inevitable. I really do

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<v Speaker 1>believe it'll be better to get it six months from

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<v Speaker 1>now because there won't be the healthcare system overload and that. So,

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<v Speaker 1>but again it's it's hard. You know, when you're when

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<v Speaker 1>you're when you're out there, it's hard. So the last

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<v Speaker 1>question that I have for you today, Jonathan, is around

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<v Speaker 1>UM high schoolers K through twelve, students that have been

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<v Speaker 1>protesting right walkouts around the country, not just in Chicago,

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<v Speaker 1>but in New York and other cities because they don't

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<v Speaker 1>feel like they are being put into safe environments, right,

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<v Speaker 1>the HVAC systems, not the schools, not having masks to

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<v Speaker 1>give out, or home testing. What do you think about

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<v Speaker 1>right now with the ongoing fight in our nation's public schools,

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<v Speaker 1>right not doing remote learning forcing kids who are generally,

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<v Speaker 1>let's be clear, right in a lot of public school

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<v Speaker 1>systems are black and brown kids, right, are low income kids,

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<v Speaker 1>the ones that don't have the ability to just pull

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<v Speaker 1>out of school and go to the Catholic school, go

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<v Speaker 1>to the private school. What have you? What do you

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<v Speaker 1>think about what we're putting our children up against right

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<v Speaker 1>now and and how that's playing out. It is such

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<v Speaker 1>a hard issue. There was an article in The New

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<v Speaker 1>York magazine the other day about how how like we

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<v Speaker 1>created this divide between keeping schools open or shutting schools,

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<v Speaker 1>and how disastrous that binary was in a particular way

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<v Speaker 1>because it kind of created these two polarized positions and

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<v Speaker 1>neither one was completely right or even remotely right. And

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<v Speaker 1>so really the answer to this is turning out in

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<v Speaker 1>retrospect again, if we had if this I don't mean

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<v Speaker 1>to sound like nostalgic for the good old days of Delta,

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<v Speaker 1>but if our vaccines were yeah, the Delta vaccine worked,

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<v Speaker 1>and so there was an easy answer for this until

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<v Speaker 1>November of this year, and all of a sudden the

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<v Speaker 1>issue got much more complicated. But I think the overall

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<v Speaker 1>issue is not about open versus closed schools. It's really

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of infrastructure changes do we need to make

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<v Speaker 1>to schools and hospitals and offices and all these buildings,

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<v Speaker 1>because we're going to be dealing with this for the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of our lives, really, and so airflow technology, spacing,

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<v Speaker 1>all these kind of things like that's always going to

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<v Speaker 1>be the case. And so we really had a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to make structural changes to our infrastructure to any way

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<v Speaker 1>make and we've done this for other pandemics. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>hard part is that like at other times, like when

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<v Speaker 1>people figured out how a pathogen behaved, they changed condition patterns,

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<v Speaker 1>they created space between buildings, they made streets wider, all

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<v Speaker 1>these kind of things. Those are kind of the long

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<v Speaker 1>standing lessons of pandemics. Your and and we didn't do

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<v Speaker 1>that here in a particular way. And I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a Democrat versus Republican thing. I mean, Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>had an infrastructure build that they also could have addressed

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<v Speaker 1>this with, I think, and a bit much more forcefully

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<v Speaker 1>and and much more directly. So it's it's a hard question,

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<v Speaker 1>but it really turns out to be an infrastructure repression,

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<v Speaker 1>believe it or not. And of course where it gets

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<v Speaker 1>the most investment, Where did the most money go? All

0:46:35.520 --> 0:46:38.360
<v Speaker 1>these kind of things. But I don't know, it feels

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<v Speaker 1>very circular. It's hard to I mean, you know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a chance, let me just say that we burn out

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<v Speaker 1>of a micron and then the whole thing burns out,

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<v Speaker 1>like there's it's not likely, but it's possible. So there's

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<v Speaker 1>a chance that six weeks from now we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be having a very different conversation. But again, right now

0:46:58.680 --> 0:47:02.600
<v Speaker 1>is the time even the world exhaust stead and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's having rallies raising the dead and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Like feel things feel very bad right now, but there's

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<v Speaker 1>a there's a not small chance that things could look

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<v Speaker 1>a lot better in a couple of weeks if people

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<v Speaker 1>just hang in there. And then there's also a chance

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<v Speaker 1>that we're talking about a whole different variant. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks as well, So you know, life

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<v Speaker 1>is a toss up. Well, I mean, if if there's

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<v Speaker 1>a new variant again, I hope it grows hair on

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<v Speaker 1>your head. I would be delighted, you know, give it

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<v Speaker 1>a tender profile, Like let's have a good happy variant,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the chia pet variant or something, so the

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<v Speaker 1>pet rock there. Yeah, yeah, let's do that, Jonathan, Doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Metzel, as always, thank you so much for making

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<v Speaker 1>the time to walk us through these precarious times. I

0:47:48.280 --> 0:47:50.960
<v Speaker 1>can't express how much we appreciate your insight on a

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<v Speaker 1>weekly Take care of everybody, stay safe. That is it

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<v Speaker 1>for me today. Friends on this woke f be sure

0:48:02.480 --> 0:48:05.640
<v Speaker 1>to tune into my Instagram live at three thirty pm

0:48:05.719 --> 0:48:10.719
<v Speaker 1>Eastern today Again, as always, Power to the people and

0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:14.360
<v Speaker 1>to all the people. Power, Get woke and stay woke

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<v Speaker 1>as fuck.