1 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: Good morning, peezs, and welcome to Woke f Daily with 2 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody. Recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. Folks. 3 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: Coming up in the show on this Woke Wednesday, we'll 4 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: be talking with our usual in house doctor, doctor Jonathan 5 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: Metzel about the latest with COVID nineteen. I want to 6 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: start today though, with politics and the state of our 7 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: democracy and the fact that this week Joe Biden's administration 8 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: is coming up on year one. On today's Woke Wednesday 9 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: at three thirty pm Eastern on Instagram Live, I'm going 10 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: to be providing what I believe is my report card 11 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: for Joe Biden and this administration, And so I want 12 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,639 Speaker 1: to kick things off on today's Woke a f with that, 13 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: with getting us all thinking about it's been a year, right, 14 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: you know, at the beginning of the month, we acknowledged 15 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: the year anniversary of the insurrection, the attempt to overthrow 16 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: our government, the recognition that it's still happening, that there 17 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: is a slow moving coup that has been rolling across 18 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: the United States probably since Donald Trump became President of 19 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: the United States, but definitely hit a fever pitch in 20 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: twenty twenty and it hasn't shown any signs of slowing. 21 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: And what is really interesting to me when I turned 22 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: on the news after the long holiday weekend and am 23 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: seeing headlines like White House changes messaging strategy or White 24 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: House signals new pivot on messaging strategy, or year two, 25 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: what will the agenda be? Because all of the previous 26 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: things that this president has wanted to do outside of 27 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: physical infrastructure has indeed failed. And so I posted on 28 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: Twitter and if you don't follow me, you should at 29 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: D two cents d E two c e nts. I'm 30 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: also thinking about changing that name. Let me know what 31 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: you think about that, basically to my actual name. But 32 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: you know so far, I put up this poll, right, 33 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 1: and you know how I think about polls. But I 34 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: like polling you all. I like polling my own audience 35 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: because I know who I'm talking to. And basically, this 36 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: administration is polling pretty fucking low in comparison to other 37 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: presidents and in their first year. To be fair to 38 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: this administration, everything that they're dealing with are things that 39 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 1: have never been dealt with by any president beforehand. All 40 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: at the same time, now you can come into the 41 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: presidency and there can be a lagging economy. You can 42 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: come in and there can be you know, foreign adversaries 43 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: and and threats abroad. You can come in and you know, 44 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: we may be talking about education or healthcare, what have you. 45 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: But to be fair, this administration came into an absolute 46 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: fucking shit show. Right. Not only were they coming in 47 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: the midst where we were just becoming aware that there 48 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: was a COVID nineteen vaccine, but that at the time, 49 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: right that both Kamala Harris and Joe Biden were sworn 50 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: in at that time. Just think about this for a minute. 51 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: A year ago, four hundred thousand people had died of COVID. 52 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: A year later, that number has more than doubled. So 53 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: if you came in to this new administration with the 54 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: hopes that you were going to ride your mid term elections, 55 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: your presidency on you being the adult in the room 56 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: and being able to deal with COVID nineteen and roll 57 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: out vaccines and get the country is shot in the 58 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: arm and all of those things. Well, if we're just 59 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: looking at the death metrics, right, or if we're looking 60 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: at the positivity rates, if we're looking at this administration's 61 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: handling of any of those things, what grade would you 62 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: give them, because I can tell you right now that 63 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: they're barely passing. Now, this is not for me to 64 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: say that they should have been prepared for omicron, But 65 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: here's the thing that they should have been fucking prepared for, 66 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 1: which is had a message to the American people because 67 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and the Republicans were doing a bang up 68 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: fucking job telling people not to wear a mask, telling 69 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: them that the COVID nineteen virus was a hoax, telling 70 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: them to drink bleach, telling them to take horse tranquil liarser, 71 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: it's telling them to drink their own urine. They came 72 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: in understanding that the war that we are at is 73 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: not necessarily just with the Republican cult party, right, but 74 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: it is with their ability to share their cult messages 75 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: and have people bide onto it right, and have even 76 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: those that are supposed to be at the height at 77 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: the peak of our intellectual prowess, like say, oh, I 78 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: don't know, members of the Supreme Court parroting the same 79 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: right wing extremist thoughts with regard to COVID nineteen, which 80 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: is now informing how they decide to throw out Joe 81 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: Biden's mandates, and saying that certain agencies like OSHA right 82 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: don't have the power to be able to institute these 83 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: types of mandates that it would need to be an 84 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: Act of Congress. But the fact is is that if 85 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: you were to actually listening, listen to the questions that 86 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: a Gorsitch or a Thomas are offering, they sound like 87 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: they're on O N. They sound like they're coming from 88 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: Fox News. So it's almost laughable to see headlines now 89 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: in the news about the White House pivoting their messaging 90 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: when the only fucking thing that needed to matter with 91 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: them coming into office was how do we get the 92 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: right messagers? What is our message and how do we 93 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: get that out on podcasts, on radio, on TV, word 94 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: of mouth, on social media? What is the plan looking 95 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: at and interrogating the way that the right wing has 96 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: been able to capitalize right on their lies and have 97 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 1: that miseducation and misinformation spread like wildfire. What were the 98 00:06:54,720 --> 00:07:02,239 Speaker 1: Biden administration's plans to disrupt that? Narrow? Because I haven't 99 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: seen one. Now, you have seen organizations right like the 100 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: Lincoln Project. Because all of these projects and programs and 101 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: fucking organizations are run usually by men, usually by white men, 102 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: who continue to get caught literally and figuratively with their 103 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:25,239 Speaker 1: fucking pants down, or just not knowing how one should 104 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: conduct themselves in a professional setting, So which goes to 105 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,559 Speaker 1: undermine the entire mission that Lincoln Project had been after 106 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: and had actually captivated a lot of eyes around, which 107 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: was their messaging strategy. So to me, I think to myself, 108 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: why is it that the White House that Democrats as 109 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: a whole, whether it is the d n C right 110 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,679 Speaker 1: the Democratic National Committee, whether it is the d SCC, 111 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, or the D Triple C, 112 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: the Democratic Congressional Campaign Company. Why you have these institutions 113 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: and these apparatus that are supposed to be building the 114 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: pipeline of our candidates and the ones that are gathering 115 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: these messaging and talking points. Tell me again why it's 116 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: so difficult to match what works and then use the 117 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: power of these agencies and these offices to be able 118 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: to amplify it like this. It's these places that I 119 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: find myself where I'm like, if you know that you 120 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: have one major problem, and you're a one major problem 121 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: has now contributed to more depths and more misinformation as 122 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: it pertains to this fucking virus, Why wouldn't you figure 123 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: out you have the power of the White House to 124 00:08:55,160 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: gather all of the most important mouthpieces right in America, 125 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: to gather them and figure out how are you getting 126 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: the word out? How can we partner with the TikTok's 127 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: and the TikTok stars and not just to come in 128 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 1: and say, get a shot in your arm and take 129 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: a picture with the President. But I'm talking about consistent 130 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: fucking messaging, right, Like, what is it that this White 131 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: House should be learning and should have been learning right 132 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: as they were coming into power and over the past 133 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: year that we have seen none of it done. So 134 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 1: when I am thinking about this one major problem of 135 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: messaging that is absolutely like the nail and the coffin 136 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: to our democracy, I'm outdone by the laziness on the 137 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: part of this administration to just think that putting a 138 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: grown up or somebody that was perceived as a grown 139 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: up in the room was going to be enough, That 140 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: just exercising Donald tru from the White House was going 141 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: to mean a pluses across the board. That's not what 142 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: has happened. And what I find really frustrating about government 143 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: just in general is the fact that it is so 144 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: huge makes it less nimble to be able to adapt 145 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: to change. And when we are in a rapidly changing environment, right, 146 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: both politically culturally as a society, When we are in 147 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 1: this rapid environment, how effective can this dinosaur of an 148 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: operation be in messaging to the people that are literally 149 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: on their devices, on their computers, sitting down in front 150 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: of streaming services day in and day out. How do 151 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: you infiltrate that? But there are people who have done 152 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: so effectively, and yet you're not using those people to 153 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: your advantage, right, You're not using industries to your advantage. 154 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: You're not sitting down at least as far as we 155 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: can see, because the messaging is fucking stagnant and stupid. 156 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: If I hear one more fucking politician that is one 157 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: hundred years old talk to me about, well, we'll just 158 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: continue the fight, bitch, I don't want to just continue 159 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: your fight, right. I want new strategies, so I'm not 160 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: just pushing a boulder up the fucking hill. I want 161 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 1: new strategies and pivots and ideas about how we fight differently, 162 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: how we fight dirtier, how we actually get to the 163 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: heart of the heart of the thing, not just the 164 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: no one's above the law, but we're actually not going 165 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: to use the laws to their fullest right. We're actually 166 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: not going to find the thoughtful ways in which to 167 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: make laws amenable to what we're dealing with. Now. You know, 168 00:11:55,440 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: I listened to a cable news reporter on CNN say, well, 169 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: it seems like voting rights is, you know, just dead 170 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: in the water. So we're just going to move on 171 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: from that. What's next for the Biden administration? And I'm 172 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: saying to myself, what's next for the Biden administration? Nothing? 173 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: You haven't been able to do, Dick with the one 174 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: year that you had that was going to be outside 175 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: of midterms and dealing with the pressures of that. You 176 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: had one year to grab America's attention. You had one 177 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: year for them to understand the urgency of this moment 178 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: as it pertains to holding onto our democracy right and 179 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: how those things feed into us having public health and 180 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: safety initiatives that keep us all well right, which feeds 181 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: into your economy problems, which feeds into right every fucking 182 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: thing else. It is the issue of siloed fucking thinking 183 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: and this hierarchical understanding of our crises. This is a 184 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: problem of thought, right, of linear thought is this is 185 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: the issue because you're not able to really look at 186 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: multiple issues at one time and see how one is 187 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: feeding into the next, feeding into the next, feeding into 188 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: the next. No. Instead, the way that it's organized and 189 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: the way that it is retold to us in the 190 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: news is like, well, this is the top of the agenda. 191 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: This is the middle of the agenda, this is the 192 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: bottom of the agenda. No, the agenda should be If 193 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to quote Joe Biden's campaign speech when he 194 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 1: was running, when he was candidate, Joe Biden, the soul 195 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: of America, Well, what the fuck does that look like? 196 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: If that is the heading, Well, it looks like secure 197 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: during our democracy. What does that look like? It looks 198 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: like holding those that are responsible for thwarting our democracy, 199 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: for trying to overturn an election. It looks like holding 200 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: those people responsible. And then it looks like taking those 201 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: taking that narrative right, and the push through the Department 202 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: of Justice, through the FBI, it looks like a purging right. 203 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: It looks like also on the one hand, holding people 204 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:33,119 Speaker 1: criminally liable right for treason, for the conspiracy to overthrow 205 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: the government, the seditious conspiracy right. It looks like that, 206 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: it looks like the criminal responsibility part. And then what 207 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: are we doing policy wise in order to secure our 208 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: democracy to our overarching goal of saving the soul of America. 209 00:14:54,320 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: I am so frustrated with this administry, with Democrats and 210 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: what is just laziness, right. I heard a White House 211 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: official say, you know, when asked about the messaging, well, 212 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: we're not you know, we we don't have the ability 213 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: to go door to door. We can't go town to town. 214 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking to myself, really, because that's exactly what 215 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: Steve Bannon told his followers to do. He told them 216 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: that these next fights are coming at the local and 217 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: state level. So he told people to go run for 218 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: your student board, he'd for your school board, to go 219 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: run for city council, to go run for these open 220 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: positions and and local races that nobody's paying attention to. 221 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: But then all of a sudden, when you look up, 222 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: you realize that your entire state is under the control 223 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: of like a neo Hitler Trumps. Figure, where is that 224 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: messaging from Democrats telling people to get out on the 225 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: new That the new fight, right is at your school board, 226 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: that the new fight is at your city council, that 227 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: it's at your it's at the board of operations, right 228 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: of your community. Where is that messaging? This is why 229 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: I say that I sometimes folks outside of the policies, 230 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: loathe being a fucking Democrat because I hate losing. I 231 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: hate being a part of the loser party. I hate 232 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: being a part of the party that can't manage to 233 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: get it shipped together. I don't want to lambast our president, 234 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: but what else am I supposed to do? Pretend that 235 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: everything that they're doing is great. Pretend that Democrats have 236 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: a fucking clue as to how angry their constituents are. 237 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: One of the things that I tweeted earlier this week 238 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: as well was imagine, imagine what our politics would look 239 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: like if Democrats cared as much or feared their base 240 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: as much as Republicans do. And you know, so many 241 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: people responded, and they're just like, well, the problem with 242 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: the Democratic base is that the base is black, right, 243 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: and black people have no place else to go. So 244 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: they're not going to cater to the base. They're going 245 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: to still continue to run after all of the Karens, right, 246 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: all of the white suburban Karents that haven't voted with 247 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party since the nineteen fifties. But I am 248 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 1: so confused by that continued, failing, fucking strategy. How is 249 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: it that you feel that it consistently undermining and ignoring 250 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: your base? This administration would rather put fucking Maya Angela 251 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: on a fucking quarter, right, you know, highlight Juneteenth as 252 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: a federal fucking holiday, commemorate the murder of Emmett Till, 253 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 1: but refuse to give you voting rights and refuse to 254 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: pass any anti lynching lass. How the fuck is this 255 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 1: symbolism and pageantry supposed to make us feel? Well, I'll 256 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 1: tell you what it makes me feel like. It makes 257 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 1: me feel like a little fucking kid that you're trying 258 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: to pacify with a bunch of fucking toys, right so 259 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: that they don't realize that you're not actually providing them 260 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: with shit, Like you're not giving them an education. They 261 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: don't really have a house to live under, they don't 262 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: have food on the table. But here are all of 263 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: these plastic fucking toys that you'll get bored with in 264 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: a little bit. But at the moment you're distracted by 265 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: the Black community doesn't need your fucking distractions. That's number one, 266 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: and we are so hip to your hot shit that 267 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: what it's going to take, in my humble opinion, is 268 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: for people to just fucking walk away, to walk away 269 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: from the Democratic Party. Let Republicans do what white people 270 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: are going to do right, which is what they've been 271 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: doing right since slavery. I told you this last week, 272 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: what did I say? I said that you had twelve 273 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: good years of reconstruction that then was matched by one 274 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: hundred years of Jim Crow in modern times. We had 275 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: eight good years under the Obama administration that is now 276 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: probably going to be matched by a hundred years of 277 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 1: authoritarian and fascist regime, and that will be nobody else's 278 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: fucking fault but Democrats. And I'm laying it squarely on 279 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: this shoulder, because you see people the Republican Party, these 280 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: white fucking rabid racists are telling you out loud who 281 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: the fuck they are and exactly what it is that 282 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: they are doing, and you are doing nothing about it. 283 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: You are having closed door meetings with Joe Mansion and 284 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 1: kursin Cinema instead of doing what the Republican Party would 285 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: have done to their asses last year, which is stripped 286 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 1: them of their fucking leadership and shut them the fuck up, right, 287 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: because that's what I would do. It is past time 288 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: to fucking change the locks on the democratic chambers to 289 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: Joe Mansion and Kursen Cinema and any other two bit 290 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: fucking moderate democrat that wants to hide behind those two 291 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: who are media horse at best, take away their power, 292 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 1: reach out to all of the fucking news stations with 293 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: the same statement. At the same time, have the presser 294 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: event that says we are no longer going to be 295 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: dealing with Kursten Cinema or Joe Mansion because they have 296 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: expressed that they are against our shared democratic values and 297 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: our norms. Now, many of you right may say, well, 298 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: then you're just going to put them in Republican hands. 299 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: And I will ask you, how is that different than 300 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: what has been done? Right now? It is time that 301 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: we air out our dirty laundry and our bad apples, 302 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: because right now it is spoiling not just the bunch, 303 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: but our entire democracy. And at some point in time 304 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: you have to put a stake in the ground. This 305 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 1: is our stake in the ground. We are done, and 306 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: anyone else who objects to cohesive democratic values right and 307 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: decide to speak out on such you too will be booted. 308 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 1: We are looking for people that are going to champion 309 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 1: our causes, not just in rhetoric, but with their policies 310 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 1: and with their votes. And those two have shown us 311 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: time and time and that they are not with us. 312 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: So we are announcing publicly we are no longer with them. 313 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 1: Let the chips fall where they may, but at least 314 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: the people that voted this party into power would actually 315 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: feel as if they are fucking doing something with the 316 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: bad apples that they continue to court. The niceties are done, 317 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: the rhetoric is over. The pageantry I could do without. 318 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: If you're not going to deal with the problems that 319 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: are in front of you, then you should not be 320 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: trusted to deal with the potential problems that are in 321 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: front of us right that are down the road. The 322 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: midterms in twenty twenty two and how they are playing 323 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: out right now leading up nine months away to November, 324 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 1: are going to show us exactly where this country is going. 325 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: And all I have to say to you, dear friends, 326 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 1: is I hope that your passports are up to date, right. 327 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: I hope that you are being really thoughtful about your 328 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: resources and about your safety networks and what those look like, 329 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: and I do not say that glibly. I'm saying that 330 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: seriously because again, this is what it looks like when 331 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: Democrats have a slim margin of power, and it looks 332 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 1: really fucking dangerous to me. Coming up next is my 333 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: conversation with our dear friend, doctor Jonathan Metzel to run 334 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: us through the latest with the omicron variant and what 335 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: we need to know about COVID nineteen now and moving forward. Friends, 336 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: you know that when it is a Wednesday, we are 337 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: happy to be joined by our in house doctor, doctor 338 00:23:54,480 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: Jonathan Metzel, to run through the latest with the COVID crisis. Jonathan, 339 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: I have to start out today and say this. I 340 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: have been having so many conversations with different friends and 341 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 1: family members, and there's just one thing that has popped 342 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 1: up to me is that we no longer have as 343 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: a country a shared value in life. And I think 344 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: that what you know, I ended up tweeting out like 345 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: this long you know, long for me because I never 346 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: really tweet threads, but this long thread on how disturbing 347 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 1: it is to wake up to see our COVID numbers 348 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: that are astronomical in comparison to other countries around the world, 349 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: To wake up to the news that China has imposed 350 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: new lockdown restrictions that are affecting about twenty million people 351 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: in the country, which is about only one point five percent. 352 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: But there are fears about how that's going to impact 353 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 1: the supply chain because third of our manufacturing goods come 354 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: from China. You're already seeing our supply chain issues. But 355 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: what struck me, Jonathan, is the fact that news, mainstream 356 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: news right is covering the supply chain as a crisis, 357 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 1: but not talking about why China is taking the measures 358 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: that it did in twenty twenty to impose lockdown restrictions 359 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: to try and get a hold of Amicron. Now we 360 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 1: know that the Olympics is next month, so we also 361 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: understand that they have another motivated factor to not want 362 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: to once again be ground zero for a world outbreak. 363 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: But how is this sitting with you? Like, how is 364 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: the latest of where we are honestly genuinely sitting with you. Well, 365 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: there's a lot in that question, so I'll just say yes, 366 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's a mess right now. It's a 367 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: mess right now. So I want to say one thing 368 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: that just kind of hovers over all of this, which 369 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: I was sorry, which is that before before oh Micron hit, 370 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: before all this kind of stuff hit, we had a 371 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 1: great plan for Delta, right, And so I just I mean, 372 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 1: we've said it a bunch on this show, but the virus, 373 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: the virus sets the narrative, right, and so if if 374 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: I mean, of course it mutates, that's what viruses do. 375 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 1: But we had a great plan for Delta. We had 376 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: vaccines that work, social distancing worked, masks worked, and so 377 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: so much of what's happening now is because of the 378 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: change in the virus. Oh Micron is just a completely 379 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 1: different animal like and so we just can't control it. 380 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: And before I answer about China, I'll say, look at 381 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: a place like Israel, for example. Israel is a place 382 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: that has been very aggressive, very active in vaccinating people 383 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 1: three or four times. And even in a place like 384 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: Israel that is seemingly done everything right short total lockdown, 385 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: they're seeing dramatically high numbers. Look at New Zealand. New 386 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: Zealand had basically zero cases for a very long time, 387 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: but the minute oh Micron hit, they just were like, man, 388 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: we can't stop this thing. And now they're seeing record spread. 389 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: Same thing with Australia. And so I think that in 390 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: a way, the question is we're not. We just obviously 391 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: not yet don't have the kind of authoritarian structure that 392 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: a place like China does. So I think that the 393 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: comparable countries to the United States are places like Israel, Australia, 394 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: New Zealand, and I think in those cases they're also 395 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: seeing this dramatic spread. And so the problem with the 396 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: United States isn't just the numbers, of course that's a 397 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: huge problem. It's also that this kind of chaos is 398 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: then being used to destabilize our political system because people 399 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: then are saying, you know, you see, the vaccines don't work, 400 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 1: and Fauci's a liar and blah blah blah, all those 401 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: kind of things. And so in a way that it's 402 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,719 Speaker 1: kind of a perfect storm of the virus against setting 403 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: the narrative and then that being used to destabilize our 404 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: country as being proof of some bigger kind of conspiracy 405 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: or something. And that really is the runaway train, the 406 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: fact that the fact that again chaos is very beneficial 407 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 1: for half the people in our country. You know, I 408 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: want to pick up on what you just said, particularly 409 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: around Israel, because while I have my many issues with 410 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: Israel and how they've rolled out, and who they've rolled 411 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: out their vaccine program too, and who is denied, which 412 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: is Palestinians versus israelis their latest study on the fourth vaccine. Right, 413 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: So Israel has been our and we've talked about this before. 414 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: We've been watching what they do as a you know, 415 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: instead of actually driving it over here. Right, So they 416 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: did the first they were the first to do the 417 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: third booster shot. Now they have rolled out for a 418 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: partial part of their population a fourth vaccine shot. But 419 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: what has been announced thus far is that the fourth 420 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: vaccine is still not enough to stop Amicron in its tracks. 421 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: And so you know, you you look at these at 422 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: these countries who, in my humble opinion as it pertains 423 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: to public health, have been instituting better guidelines and forethought 424 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: in terms of how to keep the country safe. Whether 425 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: it's whether it's driven because of capitalistic interests or not. 426 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: It seems that people who have Jonathan lesser numbers than 427 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: we are are taking more aggressive steps. Can you speak 428 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: to that? And like that? And to be and again 429 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: this that is not being reported. What's being reported is 430 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: the crisis in manufacturing jobs and this, that and the 431 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: other thing, not the aggressive steps for public health and 432 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: safety that these countries are taken. Yeah, I mean, like 433 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: really honestly, the scary and terrifying part about this is 434 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: there's no answer, right. I mean with Delta again, we 435 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: had we had an answer. Science beat Delta. Then the 436 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: big O came along and we don't really have an answer. 437 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: It's kind of like think about Caveman when the t 438 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: Rex came into being and they were trying different things 439 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: like do we put salt on our head and run around? 440 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: Do we put ketchup on our head and run around? 441 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: But they had no answer. The t rex ate them 442 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: every time because they weren't the apex predator of the 443 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: planet anymore. And that's kind of what's happening here. Like 444 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: we keep thinking, we keep trying to think. Our narrative 445 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: goes over the virus and I think, you know, viral humility. 446 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: I think it is super important here because there are 447 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: more variations and mutations coming and so I don't know, 448 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: I mean right now, honestly, I'll be honest, there's there's 449 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: no solid answer except for you know, doing the best 450 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: we can with the safety measures we can. I mean, 451 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: part of the frustration on my part is that people 452 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,239 Speaker 1: will say, oh my god, the vaccine doesn't work. Well, 453 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: the vaccine does work. The vaccine works in that it 454 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: lowers the rate of severe illness, which lowers the burden 455 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: on the healthcare system. Masks lower the rate of severe illness, 456 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: and so the healthcare system doesn't get hit with a 457 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,959 Speaker 1: tidal wave of patients. You're seeing places like Oklahoma right 458 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: before we went on air this morning declared that ICEE 459 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: emergency Tennessee. The cases have gone up like seven. And 460 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: so part of the story here isn't just like an 461 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,479 Speaker 1: individual story about like oh me and my body and 462 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: my thing. It's also like, let's think about this as 463 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: a system and what can we do to lessen the 464 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: burden on the system so the system doesn't collapse. And 465 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: Americans just don't think that way. And I think people 466 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: in other countries have an easier time thinking about that. 467 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: And I think really that's the main issue is I mean, again, 468 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: this Israel study. I'm very interested because people people got it, 469 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: and we that's no surprise. I mean, you just walk 470 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: around the street, zillion boosted people are all getting it. 471 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: The question is did they get admitted to the hospital 472 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: to lessen the severity of their illness. I think that's 473 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: going to be the really important thing. The other very 474 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: important point about that Israel study is that it's pre publication. 475 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: It hasn't been peer reviewed, it hasn't been looked at, 476 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: and so it's it was like, I think, two hundred 477 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: and seventy people in a healthcare system. So I would 478 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: I would hold off on, you know, I would hold 479 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: off until we know a bit more, right, Yeah, But 480 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: again the question is I think the bigger issue besides 481 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: I mean, the bigger issue that's not being told nearly 482 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: enough is that our healthcare system is about to fall apart, 483 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: and they're we're running out of workers and people are exhausted, 484 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: and we can't you know, we just our healthcare system 485 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: is honestly near and collapse, and that is a catastrophe 486 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: waiting to happen. Yeah, Jonathan, I feel like, you know, 487 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: and particularly you and I on this show, right because 488 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: for the past two years, we've been dealing with something 489 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: that you know, we're we're trying to understand in real time, right, Like, 490 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: we're trying to understand stand and distill in real time 491 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: what is happening. And when we say things like democracy 492 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: is about to fall or the healthcare system is about 493 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: to collapse. What is it that you think is being 494 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: missed in the delivery of that message for people to understand? Like, 495 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: what are we not describing so that everyone has that 496 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: oh shit moment like this is about to happen, Like 497 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: when we say a hospital is about to collapse, a 498 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: hospital system is about to collapse? Can you paint that picture? 499 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: What are we missing? I think we're missing the what 500 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: to do about it? I mean, I think for them, 501 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: I mean, certainly, if you watch the Trump rally the 502 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: other day, I mean there's a lot of wackadoodle going 503 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: on right now. M JFK Junior is going to rise 504 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: from the dead and run on the Goop ticket and 505 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: stuff like that. I mean, hell, a lot of it 506 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: for him. But so But but the question is so 507 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: I think I think the crazy is in people's face 508 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: right now. I don't think there's much mystery about that 509 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: to Santis is hiring basically the Gestapo to run the 510 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,479 Speaker 1: elections in Florida, Like it's it's you can't really miss 511 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: it right now for most people. But I think there's 512 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: also like a what the hell do I do about it? 513 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: Right there's so much anxiety and so I think the 514 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 1: issue is not so much the diagnosis. I think the 515 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 1: issue is what concrete steps, what exact steps can I do? 516 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 1: There was actually I thought a really interesting op ed 517 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: in the New York Times this morning about how the 518 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: Democrats are taking the Hispanic vote for granted in a 519 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: particular way, and it was an interesting, interesting piece, but 520 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 1: basically he said, you know, there's so much voter suppression 521 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: and immigration and rallying crime, but you're not telling me 522 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: very concretely, what is your pro growth policy? What is 523 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 1: concretely your what are concretely are you going to do 524 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: beyond yelling about injustice and stuff like that, which there 525 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,720 Speaker 1: is to concretely make next steps for growth or something 526 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: like that, as opposed to the GOP, who we don't like, 527 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: but their stance is like we're keeping business open no 528 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: matter what and all that kind of stuff. That makes 529 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: sense to me. And so I think right now there's 530 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: a lot of yelling about the issue the diagnosis, and 531 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: there's no shortage of stuff. I mean, just look at DeSantis. 532 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 1: But I think I think people are frozen. That's my 533 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I've no evidence for this, but it's like, 534 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: what concrete steps are we going to do to get 535 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: out of this, and that's hard because the stakes are 536 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: so high, the goalposts keep changing, the virus is so scary. 537 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: So but but I think that's the issue. I don't 538 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: know what what's your sense about that. I'm curious, you know, 539 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: it is I feel like we are a nation of 540 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: deer is caught in the headlights, right, Like I feel 541 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: like there is you know. And this is the thing. 542 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: I had a friend who she was like, oh, you know, 543 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 1: what are you doing this weekend? Right? And I was 544 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 1: just like, well, I'm not gonna I'm not really doing 545 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: much these days, right. I'm back on a self imposed 546 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: you know, lockdown right where I don't want to go 547 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: out to eat inside of restaurants, and it's pretty cold 548 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: in New York right now for me to even want 549 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 1: to entertain eating outside at the myriad of places that 550 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: you can go to to eat outside, even with heaters 551 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 1: seventeen degrees over the weekend, right, I'm not doing that. 552 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: And her response was, it's really interesting because according to 553 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: my timeline, COVID is over right, and so it's like 554 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 1: in my little bubble universe that I've created for myself 555 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: of safety, what makes me feel safe. Is what I'm 556 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: recognizing is not the norm, right, Like it is more 557 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 1: so the norm for people to be like, well, I'm 558 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,319 Speaker 1: out and I'm boosted, and if I get amicron, i 559 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 1: am not going to go into the hospital. Maybe I'll 560 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: have a fever for a couple of days, and I'm 561 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: willing to deal with that so that i can have 562 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: a normal quote unquote normal life. And so for me, 563 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: it's just like this, this sense is the question that 564 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 1: I was going to open up our conversation, is Jonathan, 565 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,839 Speaker 1: am I just still making much ado about nothing? Like 566 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: are we the last of like the same minds that 567 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 1: just need to bend to the will of the masses, 568 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 1: that like this isn't a big deal and we just 569 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: need to keep it pushing, and like it is what 570 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: it is, because that's the narrative from the anchors on 571 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: the news. It's the narrative that I see in the papers. 572 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: It is like everywhere, It's everywhere in terms of it's 573 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: not just the anti vaxers and the Trumpers, it's everywhere. 574 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: And so I'm like, am I going to be the 575 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,360 Speaker 1: last one hanging onto a K ninety five mask? Burrowed 576 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,800 Speaker 1: in my Brooklyn apartment, when the world is going to continue, 577 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 1: when America is going to continue doing what America does, 578 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: which is not really given a fuck. I mean, we 579 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 1: talked last week on this show about how Scandinavian countries, 580 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: a number of them, have declared COVID the number one 581 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: chronic illness, the number one threat to their long term 582 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 1: care facilities. And the reason they do that is because again, 583 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: COVID crosses the blood brain barrier. It gets in your brain, 584 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 1: it gets in your heart. This version doesn't get in 585 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: your lungs, but it gets in an awful lot of 586 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: other places that you kind of you know, you want 587 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,359 Speaker 1: a little quality, sanctified airspace there. You don't you don't 588 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,360 Speaker 1: want other flanes flying into that airspace, but this virus 589 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: is going in there. And so in a way, the 590 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,760 Speaker 1: threat of mild or moderate COVID isn't just the immediate 591 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 1: affection infection. It's that you're going to have vertigo or 592 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 1: short you know, cardiovascular disease that makes it harder for 593 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: you to do. I mean, we're seeing heart attacks, strokes, 594 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,839 Speaker 1: autoimmune disease, all these things go up, and so in 595 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: a way, the long term effects of this are pretty 596 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 1: significant still even from my quote unquote mild version of this. 597 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: And the other thing is there are a lot of 598 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 1: treatments that might be helpful, like the Fiser pill, but 599 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 1: they're not going to be really ready until next year. 600 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 1: And so I mean, I'm with you in a way. 601 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: I think you still should do everything you can to 602 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: not get this as much as possible. I've been you know, 603 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: you can tell by my top shelf appliances here that 604 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,840 Speaker 1: I'm still in Brooklyn, but I'm flying to Nashville Monday morning, 605 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 1: where the positivity rate is now over forty And so 606 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 1: I'm but I'm going to double mask and I'm not 607 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 1: talking to anybody. But again, like you know, I'm just 608 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 1: gonna I'm going to do my best. But but I 609 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 1: don't think that there's a winning argument of let's just 610 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: go get this and get it over with. That was 611 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 1: the fantasy about this thing initially, But I think that's 612 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 1: turning out to be completely not true. Yeah, And I 613 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 1: think that you know, what what is making me really 614 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,839 Speaker 1: just you know, continue to be concerned is that I 615 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 1: feel like the minority, right, I feel like you and 616 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: I and you know, and folks that listen to this 617 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 1: show that are kind of guided by what the recommendations 618 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 1: that you offer, the recommendations that Fauci offers, not so 619 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 1: much the CDC because I really don't trust them. U. 620 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,360 Speaker 1: It's just it feels like that group continues to shrink. 621 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 1: And yet the problem, Jonathan, the actual numbers right and 622 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 1: like again, and so folks keep telling me, well, we're 623 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 1: not counting the right things. And so this is another 624 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: area that I want to address with you, is that 625 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: you know, we're focusing on deaths and hospitalizations, but like 626 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 1: we shouldn't be focusing on those things. So tell me, 627 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,879 Speaker 1: in your opinion, what are the metrics that we should 628 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: be focused on and frankly continue to be concerned about. Yeah. Again, 629 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,839 Speaker 1: like you know, the first thing that came out was oh, 630 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: this thing is mild, just go get it and get 631 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 1: over with. That was that was well before any data 632 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 1: or information that we had. And now I think people 633 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,400 Speaker 1: who know are saying, man, do everything you can to 634 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,320 Speaker 1: not get this right. Um, don't use a cloth mask, 635 00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:00,080 Speaker 1: use an end mask or a better mask. So I 636 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,760 Speaker 1: still think the safety measures are the same in a way. 637 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,360 Speaker 1: The other scary parties. Again, our vaccines are just aren't 638 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,480 Speaker 1: working as well. There's going to be probably. I'm sure 639 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 1: a new vaccine probably by next fall that will be 640 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,560 Speaker 1: more specific to this strain of COVID or a more 641 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 1: kind of across the board COVID vaccine. So there's stuff 642 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,759 Speaker 1: kind of coming down the pike, but right now it 643 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 1: just feels like a kind of crapshoot Russian Roulette kind 644 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,360 Speaker 1: of deal. And a huge part of this story is 645 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,320 Speaker 1: that up until Delta, not only did we have vaccines 646 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,280 Speaker 1: that worked, but we also had monoclonal antibody treatments that worked, 647 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 1: and they were and they were abundantly available, and it 648 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,880 Speaker 1: turned out that for the big o here, only this 649 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 1: one little teeny monoclonal antibody treatment that was kind of 650 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 1: relatively new and there's not very much of it in 651 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 1: the system is the only kind that works against it. 652 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 1: And so we also, i mean, monoclone antibodies were super 653 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,839 Speaker 1: effective if you got COVID at limiting severe infection, and 654 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 1: that's not available either. So it's a pretty dangerous time 655 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 1: to just be kind of going to get it again. 656 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 1: I have family members who have it. You can't help it. 657 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,239 Speaker 1: They're very careful, and it just ended up like this 658 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,719 Speaker 1: thing is so infectious that it's just hard to hard 659 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,960 Speaker 1: to avoid it. But I would say that right now 660 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,319 Speaker 1: if you can avoid it, with the hospital system shut 661 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,520 Speaker 1: down and with the lack of anti viral treatment and 662 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,319 Speaker 1: monoclonal treatment, now is not a great time to get it. 663 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're going to get it, you know, 664 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 1: wait six months. Like you know, I have friends here 665 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,239 Speaker 1: who at first one it was everybody was saying it 666 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,960 Speaker 1: was mild. We had this plan. We were like going 667 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,840 Speaker 1: to go to a strip club or lick the subway pole, 668 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 1: or do something crazy to get you know, to get it, 669 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 1: just get it over with. And but that was a fantasy. 670 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 1: That's actually not turning out to be the case. And 671 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 1: again we've talked about this for two years. The main 672 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 1: issue is this virus crosses the blood brain barrier and 673 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,160 Speaker 1: can live in your brain for the rest of your life. 674 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 1: And so mild does not mean no long term. In fact, 675 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,680 Speaker 1: you know, there's in some ways a bigger risk of 676 00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,240 Speaker 1: long term things. And so just for everybody out there, 677 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,799 Speaker 1: don't do what I was planning on doing, licking the 678 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,279 Speaker 1: subway pole. Don't do that. Now, do everything you can 679 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,960 Speaker 1: still to not get it. Because even if you're gonna 680 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 1: get it, even if it feels inevitable. I really do 681 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,879 Speaker 1: believe it'll be better to get it six months from 682 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,759 Speaker 1: now because there won't be the healthcare system overload and that. So, 683 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 1: but again it's it's hard. You know, when you're when 684 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,919 Speaker 1: you're when you're out there, it's hard. So the last 685 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,960 Speaker 1: question that I have for you today, Jonathan, is around 686 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:38,239 Speaker 1: UM high schoolers K through twelve, students that have been 687 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:43,160 Speaker 1: protesting right walkouts around the country, not just in Chicago, 688 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,279 Speaker 1: but in New York and other cities because they don't 689 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,839 Speaker 1: feel like they are being put into safe environments, right, 690 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:55,080 Speaker 1: the HVAC systems, not the schools, not having masks to 691 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 1: give out, or home testing. What do you think about 692 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:05,480 Speaker 1: right now with the ongoing fight in our nation's public schools, 693 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:10,760 Speaker 1: right not doing remote learning forcing kids who are generally, 694 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,680 Speaker 1: let's be clear, right in a lot of public school 695 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:19,680 Speaker 1: systems are black and brown kids, right, are low income kids, 696 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,480 Speaker 1: the ones that don't have the ability to just pull 697 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 1: out of school and go to the Catholic school, go 698 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,839 Speaker 1: to the private school. What have you? What do you 699 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,719 Speaker 1: think about what we're putting our children up against right 700 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,239 Speaker 1: now and and how that's playing out. It is such 701 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,319 Speaker 1: a hard issue. There was an article in The New 702 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:42,560 Speaker 1: York magazine the other day about how how like we 703 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,440 Speaker 1: created this divide between keeping schools open or shutting schools, 704 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,040 Speaker 1: and how disastrous that binary was in a particular way 705 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,680 Speaker 1: because it kind of created these two polarized positions and 706 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,239 Speaker 1: neither one was completely right or even remotely right. And 707 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,520 Speaker 1: so really the answer to this is turning out in 708 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,440 Speaker 1: retrospect again, if we had if this I don't mean 709 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,200 Speaker 1: to sound like nostalgic for the good old days of Delta, 710 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,560 Speaker 1: but if our vaccines were yeah, the Delta vaccine worked, 711 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,840 Speaker 1: and so there was an easy answer for this until 712 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,000 Speaker 1: November of this year, and all of a sudden the 713 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,040 Speaker 1: issue got much more complicated. But I think the overall 714 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:25,960 Speaker 1: issue is not about open versus closed schools. It's really 715 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,759 Speaker 1: what kind of infrastructure changes do we need to make 716 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:33,080 Speaker 1: to schools and hospitals and offices and all these buildings, 717 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,319 Speaker 1: because we're going to be dealing with this for the 718 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:42,680 Speaker 1: rest of our lives, really, and so airflow technology, spacing, 719 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,600 Speaker 1: all these kind of things like that's always going to 720 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,040 Speaker 1: be the case. And so we really had a chance 721 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,120 Speaker 1: to make structural changes to our infrastructure to any way 722 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,000 Speaker 1: make and we've done this for other pandemics. That's the 723 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,600 Speaker 1: hard part is that like at other times, like when 724 00:45:55,640 --> 00:46:01,200 Speaker 1: people figured out how a pathogen behaved, they changed condition patterns, 725 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,880 Speaker 1: they created space between buildings, they made streets wider, all 726 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,959 Speaker 1: these kind of things. Those are kind of the long 727 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:11,719 Speaker 1: standing lessons of pandemics. Your and and we didn't do 728 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,239 Speaker 1: that here in a particular way. And I don't think 729 00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,440 Speaker 1: it's like a Democrat versus Republican thing. I mean, Democrats 730 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,960 Speaker 1: had an infrastructure build that they also could have addressed 731 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,280 Speaker 1: this with, I think, and a bit much more forcefully 732 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,200 Speaker 1: and and much more directly. So it's it's a hard question, 733 00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,520 Speaker 1: but it really turns out to be an infrastructure repression, 734 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,239 Speaker 1: believe it or not. And of course where it gets 735 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,480 Speaker 1: the most investment, Where did the most money go? All 736 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,360 Speaker 1: these kind of things. But I don't know, it feels 737 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,479 Speaker 1: very circular. It's hard to I mean, you know, there's 738 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,439 Speaker 1: a chance, let me just say that we burn out 739 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:50,080 Speaker 1: of a micron and then the whole thing burns out, 740 00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,560 Speaker 1: like there's it's not likely, but it's possible. So there's 741 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,560 Speaker 1: a chance that six weeks from now we're going to 742 00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,560 Speaker 1: be having a very different conversation. But again, right now 743 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,600 Speaker 1: is the time even the world exhaust stead and you know, 744 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,719 Speaker 1: Trump's having rallies raising the dead and stuff like that. 745 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,919 Speaker 1: Like feel things feel very bad right now, but there's 746 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,200 Speaker 1: a there's a not small chance that things could look 747 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,160 Speaker 1: a lot better in a couple of weeks if people 748 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,800 Speaker 1: just hang in there. And then there's also a chance 749 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,520 Speaker 1: that we're talking about a whole different variant. Yeah, and 750 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,400 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks as well, So you know, life 751 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,439 Speaker 1: is a toss up. Well, I mean, if if there's 752 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,040 Speaker 1: a new variant again, I hope it grows hair on 753 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,600 Speaker 1: your head. I would be delighted, you know, give it 754 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,680 Speaker 1: a tender profile, Like let's have a good happy variant, 755 00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,239 Speaker 1: you know, the chia pet variant or something, so the 756 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:41,600 Speaker 1: pet rock there. Yeah, yeah, let's do that, Jonathan, Doctor, 757 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,719 Speaker 1: Jonathan Metzel, as always, thank you so much for making 758 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,239 Speaker 1: the time to walk us through these precarious times. I 759 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,960 Speaker 1: can't express how much we appreciate your insight on a 760 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:59,239 Speaker 1: weekly Take care of everybody, stay safe. That is it 761 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,439 Speaker 1: for me today. Friends on this woke f be sure 762 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,640 Speaker 1: to tune into my Instagram live at three thirty pm 763 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:10,719 Speaker 1: Eastern today Again, as always, Power to the people and 764 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,360 Speaker 1: to all the people. Power, Get woke and stay woke 765 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:14,799 Speaker 1: as fuck.