1 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: From Meat Eaters World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This 2 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: is Col's Week in Review with Ryan cow Callahan. Here's 3 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: cal Georgia. Game wardens patrolling a creek in Wilkes County 4 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: noticed something last month you don't see every day in 5 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: the woods. A man holding an old style crank telephone. 6 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: For you younger listeners, these phones were made from a 7 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: wooden box about the size of a milk jug. They 8 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: had a speaker you held to your ear, a microphone 9 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: to talk into, and a crank handle on one side. 10 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: When you wanted to make a call, you'd rotate that crank, 11 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: which would generate a current that would signal the switchboard 12 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: officer and a woman named Dorothy or Ethel or MAVs 13 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: would connect your call. In this case, the Spellow wasn't 14 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: standing in the creek trying to get in touch with Ethel. 15 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: He was using that alternating current to electroshockfish. When the 16 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: wardens approached him, he tried to walk away and then 17 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: chucked the telephone in the creek. Wardens were able to 18 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: recover the unorthodox fishing implement and cited him with shocking 19 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: fish illegally. Believe it or not, this was a pretty 20 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: common fishing technique in the South in the forties and fifties. 21 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: It was even used by professionals. According to a nineteen 22 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: sixty eight article published in the journal the Progressive Fish Culturist, 23 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: Biologist in Nebraska used telephones to stun and capture flathead 24 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: catfish as part of a larger study. The method was 25 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: banned pretty much everywhere in the nineteen fifties for recreational fishermen, 26 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: but in nineteen eighty five, four counties in North Carolina 27 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: legalized the technique to try to reduce the population of 28 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: invasive catfish species. A twenty eighteen study determined the method 29 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: didn't help lower catfish numbers, but I'm sure local antique 30 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: stores appreciated the influx of anglers. This week, it's the 31 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: debut of a brand new segment, Voicemail Bag Desk, Voicemail 32 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: Desk Listener Mail Audio Version. Yeah, it's a working title 33 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: Nova Scotia Update the Crime Desk and so much more 34 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: of But first, I'm gonna tell you about my week. 35 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: In my week, well, everywhere I turn is a project 36 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: that just cannot be kicked down the road any further. 37 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: I open the freezer, which is a constant source of 38 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 1: managerial worry. Logistical worry might be more apt. Freezer turnover 39 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: is important Gang, especially here into hunting season. Eleven ish 40 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,839 Speaker 1: twelve days into hunting season. This is the furthest I've 41 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: gone into a hunting season in my entire life without 42 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: hunting a single day. Yeah, it's a crazy world, Gang, 43 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: crazy world. In any case, here's my system. I keep 44 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: a stand up freezer and a chest freezer. Then there's 45 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: the in kitchen freezer attached to the refrigerator, you know, 46 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: like everybody has. The system goes like this. The chest 47 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: freezer accommodates bulk processed or unrefined goodies, which is anything 48 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: from whole quarters, carcasses for stock making, bones, large bags 49 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: of mixed trim destined for the grinder, roasts, shanks, necks, 50 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: brazing things, and most of this is in a series 51 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: of game bags, so it's separated out and trust me, 52 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: I know the system. The stand up freezer is much 53 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: more visually appealing as it's nicely sectioned out, and there 54 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: you have your more refined things such as fish filets 55 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: that should be consumed fast, individual steaks, tenderloins. This is 56 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: where the beautiful and coveted ducts go when I have them, 57 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: the sausages, and the occasional trophy oddball bit like a 58 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: bison tongue or cheek meat or something that I like 59 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: to think on for a special occasion. The inn kitchen 60 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: freezer gets the weeks worth of protein and maybe an 61 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: extra bag of burger or a sausage or something for 62 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: in a pinch meal. Well, I open the stand up 63 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: freezer and there's this bag that I put there, and 64 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: I can't remember why, and I look and it's two 65 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: whole chopped up turkey carcasses, which I then remembered I 66 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: didn't have enough time or ran out of jars to 67 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: get these things canned in the spring, so I better 68 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: do it now. And then upon further investigation, there's a 69 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: bag with the ruptured seal that's about thirty pounds of meat, 70 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: probably mix a deer an elk, destined for the grinder. 71 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: I think I put it there as a reminder that 72 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: it needs to get done. And underneath it is a 73 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: shallow box of deer elk and antelope parts and tongues 74 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: that somebody's got to do something with, and some gun. 75 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: There's a package of five goose breasts that also has 76 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: a hole in it, and one already has a little 77 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 1: spot of freezer burn, so it's coming home. Currently, as 78 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: I write this, the second to final batch of stock 79 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: has just come off it's fifteen pound rattle and is 80 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: hissing its way to stability. When that's all said and done, 81 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: I'll have fifty pints of gorgeous dark stock, fortified with 82 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: several gallon ziplock bags I found full of turkey hearts, testicles, 83 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: gizzards and livers, plus one bottle of grossly over sweet 84 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: white wine and all the vegetables I thought would go 85 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: bad if they didn't go in the pot. One slow 86 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: cooker on the counter has all five goose breasts, and 87 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: lo and behold, someone didn't properly identify its contents by 88 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: taking the time to create a label, and they are 89 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: not raw, unadultered Canada steaks, but beautifully corned, perfectly pinkish 90 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: red brind and screaming to be made into hash or 91 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: ruben sandwich. Is not the barbecue meat I was thinking about. 92 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: It's just as good, but a reminder that I don't learn. 93 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: The other slow cooker has all the tongues and it's 94 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: cooling for taco meat, and the grinder is already cleaned, 95 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: and the bags have been stuffed and have made a 96 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: return trip to the stand up freezer. That grind also 97 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: contains all the hearts that were in that stockpile. And 98 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: what I think is, let's say about a five percent 99 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: mix of pork fat courtesy as some pork belly that 100 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: was in the kitchen freezer. Now, all this is work. 101 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: I enjoy it, and I do wonder if that's the 102 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: reason I can never truly get organized. I secretly love 103 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: the on the fly approach and chaos of doing it 104 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: all at once. I'll tell you stock making is a 105 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: good time to call your representative as well as your 106 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: senator and leave a comment at the Federal Register dot 107 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: gov that roadless rule clock is ticking gang. A few 108 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 1: months ago, we were fighting back against the all out 109 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: sale of our public lands. Now, folks who don't know 110 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: the value of our remaining and unfortunately dwindling wild lands 111 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: are trying to dismantle it through mismanagement. This is the 112 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: place that this abundance of food comes from, and these 113 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: folks who are out of touch with where food comes 114 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: from are trying to render these places valueless through mismanagement 115 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: or sloppy management. Are you going to let that happen? 116 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: You have a story to tell about why these places 117 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: are special to you. These people need to hear it. 118 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: They obviously do not know. The last day to comment 119 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: on the recision of the roadless rule is the nineteenth 120 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: fifty eight million acres Friends and neighbors fifty eight and 121 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: a half. Don't let them take it. Our friends over 122 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: at on X have a roadless layer you can turn 123 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: on which clearly shows where these designated roadless areas are. 124 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: Backcountry Hunters and Anglers has a great map and action 125 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: center you can utilize to leave a comment. A Wilderness 126 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: Society has a great map. TRCP has great stuff. Seeing 127 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: is believing, And don't forget to mention about the Land 128 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: and Water Conservation Fund. All that cash that excise tax 129 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: paid by offshore oil and gas is our number one 130 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: funding tool to get access to existing public land through 131 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: easements or to create new public land. There's more of us. 132 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: This stuff's running out. If I need to remind you 133 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: of my shit bespackled border Collie because the trailheads around 134 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: bos Angelus so darn busy and people can't bury their poop. 135 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,239 Speaker 1: What you need to do. Please bury your poop, flip 136 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: a rock. At least that's a good sign that we're 137 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: aching for more, because concentrating us all at a couple 138 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: of trailheads is no bueno. Make those calls, send those letters. 139 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,119 Speaker 1: I believe in you. You can do it. You can't 140 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: do it all lie long. Moving on to the first 141 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: ever voicemail bag desk. Two weeks ago, I told you 142 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: about a new call in number where you can leave 143 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: a message to let me know what's going on in 144 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: your neck of the woods. That number, once again is 145 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: four oh six two two zero six four four one. 146 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: You can call in and leave a message or text 147 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: a voice memo to that number. Jimmy from California called 148 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: in with a question about dear numbers on the West Coast. 149 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,599 Speaker 2: Hey, cal I just heard about calling in, leaving a 150 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 2: voice and mesage on your podcast Call of the Wild. 151 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: My name is Jimmy. I'm a hunter, a new hunter 152 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 2: from California. I had a question declining deer populations out wet, 153 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 2: especially blacktail deer in California. Just wanted to hear your 154 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 2: thoughts on the situation, some of the causes, some of 155 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 2: the possible solutions, I've heard everything from habitat loss to 156 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 2: larger fare numbers, mountain lion numbers could be affecting the 157 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: overall deer population, and I'd just like you to kind 158 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 2: of weigh out all the different things you think are 159 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,599 Speaker 2: affecting it and then suggest solutions. 160 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: Thanks for giving it, Alza, thanks for the voicemail. Jimmy, 161 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: You're in luck because the brand spank New Blacktail Deer 162 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: Foundation just published an article about this exact topic. They 163 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 1: report that after steep declines in the nineties, the blacktail 164 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: population in the Golden State has actually remained relatively stable 165 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: over the past few years. Annual harvest numbers range from 166 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: twenty six thousand to forty thousand since two thousand and one. 167 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: Of course, a specific herd or region can decline due 168 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: to drought or cold, and I'm sure there are blacktail 169 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: hunters in California who will be surprised to learn the 170 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: population is actually doing all right. But the California Department 171 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: of Fish and Wildlife launched a large scale study from 172 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen to twenty twenty across five regions. They set 173 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: out to get a better estimate of blacktail deer numbers 174 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: using fecal DNA surveys, trail cameras, road counts, and helicopter flights. 175 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: What they found is that blacktail deer are incredibly resilient. 176 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: They've managed to adapt to drought, wildfire's, habitat fragmentation, and 177 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: increased human presence. In spite of all these challenges, they've 178 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: maintained a relatively stable statewide population, which should be enough 179 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: to make you love this mule deer species even more. 180 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: Just like the multi pronged approach they did in that 181 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: population study, right, they didn't just use one thing. Declines 182 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: or increases in populations they're never a result of just 183 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: one factor. And that predation factor that you mentioned that 184 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: is absolutely a factor in certain areas, and where it's 185 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: a factor in certain areas is probably an area that 186 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: has drought happening as well as habitat loss, which then 187 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: exacerbates the impact of the predator population. Not a lot 188 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: of people notice the predators when the populations kick an ass. 189 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: Remember so, if you have questions or a comment you'd 190 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: like to hear on the show, call in four oh 191 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: six two two zero six four four one and leave 192 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: me a message that number once again, four oh six 193 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: two two zero six four four one onto the Breaking 194 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: into the Woods disc an update to the Nova Scotia 195 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: hiking band. We covered a couple weeks ago. A feisty 196 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: hiker recently walked into the woods in full view of 197 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: Department of Natural Resources staff for the express purpose of 198 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: being cited for a violation and receiving a twenty eight 199 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 1: thousand dollars fine. For those of us down south of 200 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: the border, that's just over twenty thousand dollars US. This 201 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: is not an effort by scofflaw Jeff Evely to generously 202 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: donate to the DNR. Instead, he brought on the violation 203 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: to earn legal standing to challenge the hiking ban in court. 204 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty three, Evely tried to bring a suit 205 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: against Nova Scotia's Natural Resource Minister for a hiking ban 206 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: put in place that year, but a judge declared that 207 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: Evily had no legal standing to bring the suit. The 208 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: band was already over by the time he sued, and 209 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: there had been no legal action against him that he 210 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: could contest. Well. Now Evely has brought on some concrete 211 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: legal action that he and the legal advocacy backing him, 212 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: the Justice Center for Constitutional freedoms planned to use for 213 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: a new lawsuit as an aside. And this is no 214 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: comment either way on the aims of this advocacy org. 215 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: But you have to love the names of these outfits 216 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: on both sides. I think I'll start a similar group 217 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: called Col's Real Good Law Center at the amazingly kick 218 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: Ass Policy Foundation. Anyway, as a refresher, Nova Scotia declared 219 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: a ban on entering the woods in early August in 220 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 1: an effort to prevent further forest fires during Canada's second 221 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,959 Speaker 1: worst fire season on record. Although fires have traditionally been 222 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: a problem confined to the western part of the country, 223 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: the Prairie provinces and Atlantic Coast have seen some of 224 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: the worst blazes this year. Nearby New Brunswick, Newfoundland and 225 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: Labrador have similar restrictions on entering the woods. Although fires 226 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,839 Speaker 1: in Nova Scotia were fairly quiet when Evily committed this 227 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: act of civil disobedience on August eighth. A new fire 228 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: named zero six Dash zero zero seven Dash to zero 229 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: twenty five began on August thirteenth and is now out 230 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: of control. As this riding in early September, it's covering 231 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: eight thousand, four to sixty five hectares, or just under 232 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: twenty one thousand acres, which is over half the size 233 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 1: of the city of Washington, d C. There are currently 234 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty nine active fires across Canada, thirty 235 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: one of which are uncontrolled, and so far this year, 236 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: there have been a hopping four seven hundred and fifty 237 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: eight fires that have consumed nineteen and a half million acres, 238 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: about half the size of Florida. I'm about two mines 239 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: on this one. You know, I'm going both directions. It's 240 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: true that ninety seven percent of Canadian forest fires are 241 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: human caused, and recent fires have been catastrophic, way beyond 242 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: the natural, healthy levels of fire that forests need. Although 243 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: you can warn people not to light camp fires, set 244 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: off fireworks, or use machinery in the woods, those things 245 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: happen consistently when people are out there on their own. 246 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: As Ken McMullen, president of the Canadian Association of Fire Chiefs, 247 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: told the CBC quote, I know that this might appear inconvenient. 248 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: I understand that it might seem over the top. The 249 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: reality is desperate times call for desperate measures. On the 250 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: other hand, keeping people in hiking boots and camelbacks from 251 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: accessing the outdoors every summer and fall for the foreseeable 252 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: future is not realistic. We'll keep you up to date 253 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: on Evely's case and the fate of Canada's hiking bands. 254 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: Let us know which side of this debate you come 255 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: down on by writing in to Askcal at the meat 256 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: eater dot com. Moving on to the crime desk, a 257 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: hunting influencer has been charged with two felonies and six 258 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: misdemeanors for poaching a deer and a mountain lion and 259 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: lying about where he shot a wolf in Idaho last year. 260 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: Ryan Lampers, who you may know as Stealthy Hunter on Instagram, 261 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: is being accused of felony, gram theft, and unlawfully killing 262 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: and possessing a trophy class mule dear buck. According to 263 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: an affidavid and criminal complaint obtained by Meat Eater, Lampers 264 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: shot a trophy class mule deer buck in the wrong 265 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: unit and after the season had already ended. The buck 266 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: scored one seventy five and four eights, which bumps that 267 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: crime up to a felony. He also allegedly killed a 268 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: mountain lion in the wrong unit and then lied to 269 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: the Idaho Department of Fishing Game about where he killed 270 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: the animal. Finally, he shot a wolf last year in 271 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: Big Game Management Unit twenty one and then claimed to 272 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: have shot it in Big Game Management Unit twenty eight. 273 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: This is important because reimbursement rates for wolves change based 274 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: on the unit. Their reimbursement rate for Unit twenty eight 275 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: is two thousand dollars, and Lamper's got to check for 276 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: that amount from the Foundation for Wildlife Management, a nonprofit 277 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: that pays hunters for harvesting wolves in Idaho and Montana. 278 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: But where he actually shot the wolf, according to game wardens, 279 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: would have earned him only seven hundred and fifty bucks. 280 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: The state says this amounts to stealing twelve fifty, which 281 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: is why he's being charged with felony grant theft. We'll 282 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: see where this case goes from here. A lot of 283 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: you probably knew Lampers from his hunting videos, and a 284 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: lot of us here at Meat Eater had interactions with 285 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: him at one point or another. These stories can really 286 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: change as the details come out, but right now it 287 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: looks like O'Ryan is in a lot of trouble. His 288 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: next hearing is scept for September twenty two. I definitely 289 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: have some commentary on this one. I'm not sidestepping the subject. 290 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: This guy had a really good reputation as far as 291 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: I am aware. I know several folks that call Ryan 292 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: a friend, and by all accounts, was a nice, nice guy. 293 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: So there's enough here that he definitely did some screwing up. 294 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: There's enough here that definitely implies it was probably more 295 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: than just screwing up, but intentional. September twenty two not 296 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: that long to wait, though, so I'm gonna check back 297 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: in after that date and give you the full mcgilla. 298 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 1: In other newness, here in my home state of Montana, 299 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: someone shout a mule with your fun in the hind 300 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 1: quarters and then left it to waste on the billings 301 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 1: Rodden Gun Club Archery Range. Game wardens believe the animal 302 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,239 Speaker 1: was shot about a week ago and it still had 303 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: an arrow coming out of it. I don't have any 304 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: more details for you as this recording. It sounds to 305 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: me like the fawn wandered onto the range and someone 306 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: thought it would be funny to take a shot at it. 307 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 1: I suppose it could have been some kind of accident. 308 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: Maybe somebody had taken a longer shot and they should 309 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: have or errow skipped or whatever, and the critter being 310 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: in the wrong place at the wrong time. But remember 311 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: one of the tenants of hunter safety right identify your 312 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: target and what's beyond. I don't know whatever happened. The 313 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: person who did this should come forward. I'm sure you're 314 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 1: feeling bad enough already. Last one for you. A huge 315 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: case in Nebraska is sending one poacher to the federal 316 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: clink for twenty two months. Forty six year old dust 317 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: And Noble was convicted of organizing at least one hundred 318 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: and fourteen illegal hunts with friends, family, and clients to 319 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: poach a wide range of animals, including mule deer, prong 320 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: horned whitetail, and turkey. Federal prosecutors presented evidence that Nobyle 321 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: used thermal optics, shot animals from a road at night 322 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: or during a close season, and one hundred private land 323 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: without the knowledge or permission to the landowner. These tactics 324 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: allowed him and his clients to poach sixty one mule deer, 325 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: thirty three wild turkey's, four prong horned, three white tail deer, 326 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: an American alligator, a timber rattlesnake, and approximately twelve up 327 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: game birds, migratory non game birds, game fish, and fur 328 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: bearing or non game animals. He ran a foul of 329 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: the Federal Asia Act because some of his clients were 330 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: from out of state, and he ran a taxidermy business 331 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: where I assume he shipped illegally taken mounts outside of Nebraska. 332 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 1: Along with a well deserved prison sentence, Noble will pay 333 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy nine thousand, six hundred and eighty 334 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: dollars in restitution and spent three years on supervised release 335 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: after prison, jumping over to Arkansas. Difficult news at Arkansas 336 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: this week, where seventy two year old Vernon Patten has 337 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: suffered fatal injuries after being attacked by a black bear 338 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: in Franklin County on September three. Although he survived the 339 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: initial attack, his family has now moved him to hospice care. 340 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: According to CBS Channel five News, Patten had been spreading 341 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: gravel at his property in ozark when he was attacked 342 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: without provocation by a seventy pound juvenile black bear. He 343 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: was airlifted to Fayetteville Hospital before being transferred to the 344 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 1: University of Arkansas Hospital in Little Rock, Arkansas. Game and 345 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: fish wardens were able to track and euthanize the bear 346 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: after Patent's son witnessed the attack, and biopsies of brain 347 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: tissue reveal that the bear was not infected with rabies 348 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: or distemper, diseases that can cause unusual and aggressive behavior. 349 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: Hard to overstate how rare an attack like this is. 350 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: AGFC official Trey Reid said quote, I've been at the 351 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: Arkansas Game and Fish Commission for almost twenty years, and 352 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: I've never heard of a black bear attack on a human, 353 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: an unprovoked attack. It's just unheard of. Honestly unheard of, 354 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 1: is the right way to put it. For perspective, about 355 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: two hundred people are struck by lightning every year, and 356 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: about twenty of them die. In contrast, research has shown 357 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: that only about one or two people are killed by 358 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: black bears every year, and all of those deaths are 359 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: caused by full grown adults. Non fatal attacks are much 360 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 1: more common at about twelve per year, and are typically 361 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: caused by female bears protecting their cubs, while fatal encounters 362 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: are almost always predatory attacks by males. All this tells 363 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: us that the odds of being killed by juvenile black 364 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: bear make winning the powerball look like an everyday thing. Unsurprisingly, 365 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: bears habituated to human food have more run ends with people, 366 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: and the bear who killed Patent did have human food 367 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: in its stomach. The reason Ursus Americanus is such a 368 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 1: relatively safe carnivore has everything to do with the habitat 369 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: it evolved in by allis. Steven Herrero, the leading authority 370 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: on bear attacks, has consistently observed black bears stayed close 371 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: to trees throughout their life cycle, and in fact, the 372 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: species originally spread throughout North America in the dense boreal 373 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: forests that took root after glaciers retreated at the end 374 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: of the last ice age. Herrero therefore concludes that a 375 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: black bear's first response to danger is to simply retreat 376 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: up a tree. Brown bears, in contrast, evolved in the 377 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: open plains of Eurasia and continued to prefer that habitat 378 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 1: in North America, with nowhere safe to retreat to, the 379 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: grizzlies first response to a threat is therefore to attack. 380 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: Although brown bear cubs can climb trees by the time 381 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: they're adults, grizzlies have a lot of time moving that 382 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: freight up something tall and skinny, but if you can 383 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: dream it, you can do it. The location of the 384 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: attack that killed Vernon Patten is notable too. Starting in 385 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: the eighteen forties, Arkansas became known as the Bear State, 386 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: named for the density of bears there and the stories 387 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 1: of bear hunting that became popular in hunting magazines of 388 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: the time. Because the Mississippi Delta region of the state 389 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 1: underwent uncontrolled flooding well into the late eighteen hundreds, it 390 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: was one of the list remaining forest regions in the 391 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: South after most others underwent clearcut logging. Still, by the 392 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 1: late twenties, black bears had been extirpated from the region, 393 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: with as few as thirty five bears remaining in the 394 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: entire state. Then, between nineteen fifty eight nineteen sixty eight, 395 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: black bears were brought into the state from Minnesota and Manitoba, Canada, 396 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: in what became the most successful reintroduction of a large 397 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: carnivore in history. Contemporary estimates put the number of black 398 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 1: bears in Arkansas at around five thousand and steadily growing. 399 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 1: Vernon Patten's family put out a statement in response to 400 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: his death, this has been an extraordinarily difficult time for 401 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 1: our family, and we are deeply grateful for the outpouring 402 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: of support we have received. We asked that people show 403 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: compassion and consideration as we focus on being together as 404 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: a family for as long as we still can. We 405 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: also want to extend our heartfelt thanks to the medical 406 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: teams who are providing exceptional care and to everyone who 407 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: has offered their prayers and kindness. That's all I got 408 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: for you this week. Thank you so much for listening. 409 00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: Remember to write in to Askcl's Mascal atmediator dot com 410 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: or you can call four six two two zero six 411 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 1: four four one and maybe you can hear yourself on 412 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: this here podcast. And just a parting shot for you, gang, 413 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: please help defend the last of the wild places by 414 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: pushing back against the recision of the roadless rule. There 415 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: is a lot of room to meet in the middle 416 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: on this stuff, if only people wanted to do it. 417 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: If we don't, I'm gonna be reading an article talking 418 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: about the extirpation of hunters in America. That's not an 419 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: inflammatory statement. You aren't gonna find this hunter out on 420 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: a game farm somewhere where things are more certain than 421 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 1: they are out in the great wild, all right, Get 422 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: on it. I believe in you. Thanks again, I'll talk 423 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: to you next week.